Spittin' Chiclets Episode 641: Featuring Sean Avery & Erik Johnson

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Marley just gotten a assist from Chris Bates. Whoa, we're buzzing right now. Kee-Kee. What is up, everyone? Welcome to a very, very, very, especially highly anticipated episode of Spit and Chicklet. It's number 641. Before we get to everyone, before we get to thoughts, before we get to reactions, and maybe overreactions, let's shout out Pink Whitney Pinkies up. Biz, I'm trying to not get angry at you putting on that oiler's jersey, but I'm never angry at Pink Whitney. Actually, some people may think that this is coffee in my cup, but after last night and the oiler's going down through on it, it's just straight Pink Whitney. Not even ice. Not even ice. So it's been Pink Whitney for me, left-right center, Pink Whitney for all the fans in the NHL, maybe fans of every sport everywhere. I think Pink Whitney was all over the NFL draft. I know crazy Pittsburgh people crushing Pink Whitney in a parking lot. If you go to the NFL draft, you're insane. Shout out Pink Whitney Pinkies up. Thank you so much. What a fucking joke. What a disgrace. I have a couple things to say before I throw it over to you guys. Say it. I crashed out last night. And what's unbelievable, the dishonest journalism these days, and everyone just posting the video I made right after it was called a goal in the Anaheim Ducks Edmonton Oilers Game 4, they're posting the video I had a crash out. Any person who roots for a team in the world, if you're a true fan and a diehard, you'd have the same reaction as I did. There were many Oilers fans that had the same reaction as I did. Having looked at it later, having getting back to my hotel, I calmed down. I said, listen, that puck was probably in. I'm still not willing to say 100%. I'll say 99.8% chance the puck was in. I then released another video where I made it very clear that my entire opinion that I'm upset about is based on the fact that those refs called that a goal in the ice. I will never understand it. I will never understand why they were able to do it. They were both standing on the boards. No one could see anything. They saw Ryan polling, put his hands in the air, and they heard that the pawn go crazy. And they were like, okay, I treated out that they said, hey, did you see anything? No, I didn't see anything. What do you think? I didn't see anything either. Oh, we can't call a goal then. No, the fans are cheering and polling has his hands in there. So let's call it a goal. Oh, we have a goal in the ice. The puck was probably in. The puck was 99.9% chance in. I just don't get biz how you call it a goal in the ice. I don't get it. I don't understand it. And I don't care if everyone's selling me, okay, wit, if they didn't call it a goal on the ice, but it ended up being a goal, then they got the call right. But no, no, no, no, no, no, because you have to have full proof. And if it was called no goal on the ice, I do not think that that is called a goal once they review it. Somebody say something. He literally kicked it over to you, biz. You put the jersey on two days ago. Absolutely mushed this guy's team. Now you sit there in silence and say nothing when he throws up. I'm not, I'm not, I'm collecting my thoughts. I'm like, I'm taking it all in. And I just want to express the level of gratitude I have right now to be recording this podcast and not just with this situation, but just with the amazing competitive insane hockey we've seen over the last few days. Like I, I'm, I have the best job in the world. I have the best job in the world. I just want to thank everyone. I want to even Oilers fans out there right now listening, even though you want to spike your phones or punch your steering, steering wheels while you're listening. I'm going to start with this. The fact that people keep posting that still image of the referee in the corner and then the two other refs out saying, how can you call that a goal on the ice? How can you call that a goal on the ice? He clearly as the player for Anaheim starts celebrating, you could see him start making his ways closer and closer and closer to words than that. Does he ever go like this to signal a goal? No, he actually kind of goes like this. No, he doesn't. He goes like this to be like, what the fuck's going on? What's he celebrating? Let me ingest what's going on here. Whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody. And as he comes from that angle, people say, how can you see that the puck's in? You could see the puck is in from where he's skating from as he gets closer to that way easier than you would be from that overhead camp. By the time he gets there, because I'm pretty sure Murphy had already put it under his skate though, had backed it back. He did. Ref didn't get there in time to see before Murphy hit it a split second. Okay, that's fine, but he would have at least started creeping up a little bit and had a better angle to like see the red line and see where the puck was because the blade is like this far off the ice. It's not like right on the puck, right? So you would be able to see it way of way better from an angle coming from the corner that he did compared to that picture right there that you see on camera that we all saw. So to say that the ref didn't see that this thing was across the line because he didn't signal a goal. He was, I think he just put his hands like this, like, whoa, what the fuck is going on? This is chaotic. We got a guy celebrating like it's Patrick Kane on game six. When he scored over the flyers like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what the fuck's going on? He never signaled a goal then. He never said the referee was just as per question. Usually if you don't see it go in, you do nothing for this reason. For this reason. So you just try to ingest it. So he's like, and a credit, credit to, was it polling? Is that how you say his last name? Pailing. Pailing, Pailing credit to Pailing. I think his celebration had a lot to do with the influence of the fact. Why are you laughing? Because that's like kind of my point. Like if this is, Well, it feels like you saw him. I trust him over the ref. He's the guy who's got it. You're telling me any player who puts it there, whether it's in or not, isn't going to start because I hit it in. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Usually the guys know, don't you think? You can't criticize somebody's natural reaction as far as the ref being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, when then a player sees it over the line and he's going crazy just like Patrick Kane did. Let me tell you something. I can criticize anything. That's fine, buddy. I can criticize anything. But I think let me ask you, let me ask you. Actually, let me get this out there. Do I think it was a goal? Yes. So in the end, and okay, but, but, but, but, but, but, and I agree that is, that is, that is it. If they called that no goal on the ice, do you think it stands as no goal? I, I honest. Okay. So, so if you're going based on the rule and them saying, well, we can't technically see across the line, what I tweeted out with is clearly the way that the skate blade is and where the line is, you can essentially see that the puck is in. I think everybody on planet earth, if they were hooked up to a lie detector and you said, is this put in the, in the net? Yes or no, they would fucking, it would be yes. Okay. So what I think is for fucking the first time ever, it seems like common sense has prevailed. Yeah. And if, and if fucking all the Oilers fans want to bitch and complain and blah, blah, blah, direct your attention towards the fact that this has been an absolute fucking gong show as far as roster management and all the fucking nonsense with gold tending that they put up with over the last three years. Jerry was great. It's a listen, I'm not talking about last night's performance in net. All right. Hey, I thought Jari was solid. How about let's talk about the fact that leading up to this. Okay. In the last six game fours when trailing a series two to one, Edmonton has found a way to win. They had six straight wins in game fours when trailing a series two to one, they go into Anaheim in a do or death die situation. Essentially they're down three one right now. Their backs are against the wall. If I, I think you think there's no chance they come back. I think if there's one team that could do it, it would be the emigrant. We know, because we know that they play crack hockey, but I think that this series with coach, coach Q behind the bench, the same thing we saw all season long down to they come back to tie it down one late. They tie it. They're the comeback kids. Yans brought up the stat right before the end of regular season, what coach Q's done with this roster. But the fact that they go into Anaheim game four do or die situation and they get outshot and outchanced. Forget even the outshot and outchance. They're up to nothing. They're up to nothing and three to two. And what happens? This fucking duck's fourth line. I'm so sick and tired of this duck's first line. We got a fourth line. We got a defenseman. We got a guy who played at Western Michigan last year. Waston. And we got a guy who the Bruins had for about eight seasons that was in Providence most of the time. They're dominating. They're dominating. We got McDavid injured. Okay. On the PK still, I do, can you explain that one to me? Because he's on the PK and the duck's second power play goal. Why is he on the PK? He's hurt. He's injured. Now last night, I don't think the straight away speeds that affected. But obviously, when he went around Seneca, I think that little burst he's missing is what gets him around Doe's style to put it around his back. How many times have we seen him go wide and then the goal he's too fast? But it was that split second. That injury's been the killer. Jari was good. Now at the same time, that wasn't a great goal. That wasn't a great goal at the end. But no matter what, you're up to nothing, man. You're up to two and you can't close the deal. And what did I say? I know, man, my second, my other video last, I think I made a couple. Saying the duck's fans shouldn't have watched the series is just, that's an all time fumble. Saying I'll never root for the Oilers again if they don't win. That's an all time fumble. Oh, you're on a run right now. The Oilers, the Oilers are not as good as last year. I thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you said this was the best team that they've assembled. I thought that was... Have you ever changed your mind? Have you ever changed your mind, Biss? Because I believe you said that Wa and who was the other guy that was good? They were going to add up to take Marner's offense to the same level. Wa has been. It was, I think it was Wa. What was it? Who's the other guy? If you're going there, if you're going there, if you're going there, no, I don't because Wa's been more effective than Marner has. Not on your playoff. Yeah, but not on your leaf. Have you ever changed your mind is my point. Now, yes, the Oilers, I don't understand. I want to give credit to the ducks. The ducks are nasty. What I don't get is, and you guys can tell me if you remember a situation like this prior, they were horrible at the end of the season. Horrible, enough to the point where it's like they could miss the playoffs. I don't remember a team turning it on like this. Maybe the Oilers are just that bad and they're just, and with McDavid hurt, they're just like, oh, the ducks didn't even have to turn on that much. They look incredible. And I don't remember a team, boys. That's why I was so cocky. Did I get way over my skis? Yeah, I was on a double black diamond. I'd never skied before. I don't remember a team turning it on like this. I can't, they were horrible. They were giving up seven goals a game the last month. When did it, when has a team ever done this? Do you guys remember one? And with being that young too, you would think that would have bled into the playoffs, but I don't know whatever's been going on in that locker. I don't know if it's Q. I don't know if it's the older guys in that locker room, but the way that they've settled that down and put these young guys in a good position, like the young guys are carrying them too. Like this Goate is a sick, sick joke of a of a player like that shot he had was insane. Leo Carlson. So I think it was maybe one of those things where we all know, and especially in an Olympic year with a crazy schedule, maybe just towards the end of the year, they got gassed out and just didn't have anything left. And then whatever they had their, their pregame meetings before this playoffs, their practices before this playoffs, whatever was said between those guys has got them going and the young legs are winning right now. I will take, I will take the heat biz. I will take the heat to this because everyone's always said you're a one man team, you're a two man team, Leon Connor. I just can't help but think if Connor's healthy, it's a different story. Buddy, that's, I understand that is the loser mentality and it's next man up and everyone's playing injured. But when you have a guy who literally is like Wayne Gretzky in the playoffs that gets hurt and can't do what he always does with cutbacks and ninja moves, it's just, it is what it is. I would base, what do you think about if McDavid was McDavid and you can obviously tell he's injured. I don't think it's three one. That's all I'm saying. Now, yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious he's a wounded duck. But it sucks, man. It sucks not seeing him a hundred percent. I agree. It's probably a little bit of a different story, but I mean, fuck man, I don't know, man. Leon put on quite the performance when he had that high ankle sprain a few playoffs ago. Like, I mean, you know, there's a lot of guys banged up. I know, but Leon, Leon, I agree, but Leon doesn't, his game was his game wasn't the cutback stops. It starts quick turns. So it, it, do you know what, do you get that? I buddy, I completely agree. And it sounds like maybe there's some fucking going back to the drawing board for McDavid and, and, and finding a way to maybe add some different things to his bag that translate better to play off hockey. Like I'm not saying that he's not a fucking, listen, what he's fucking a hundred percent and he's zipping around out there. Yeah. He's one of the best players in the world, if not the best. I mean, you saw it at the Olympics. You got the MVP. I don't know. Couldn't find a way to really penetrate in the fucking gold medal game. Now, could he? I don't know. Fuck man, but goes back to what Yann said, man, like, look at these veterans. Like I think a lot of people, G just messaged in there. Like I think people thought when Alex Cologne got the deal he got, even though it was a four year deal, like there was a lot of money, but Cologne's not paid to fucking dance and fucking shine in the regular season. He's made for when the hockey gets hard. And I think that, like Troy Terry has been awesome and it's been a perfect blend of these veterans, like credit them for having the balls and the, and the persistence to go get John Carlson to bring him over. Like Goudis isn't even in a lineup and they're getting this done. They don't need that fucking toughness. Jackson, the coal man. He's a guy. He's a joke. He's leading the playoffs and scoring for fuck's sake. Yeah. He's got eight points. And guys, in classic fashion, we've talked many times about the, the decision to not draft wall step. You know, the wall of St. Paul, the guy who's pretty fucking good. In 2019, the NHL draft went down and with the 38th pick, the Edmonton Oilers selected Raphael LaVoy. I don't know if I'm saying that right. Oh, that's Savoy's cousin. Yeah. LaVoy. The 39th pick was Jackson fucking LaComme. It's just, it's just a comedy show after comedy routine. Steve Harvey, Theo Vaughn left and right of Oilers decisions and Oilers management of their roster. And listen, Matthew Savoy had a great season played in every game. Would you rather him or Ryan McLeod right now? How would Dylan Hallway and Broberg look? Having said all that, we've got all, how about, how about, how about this too though? How about this, this fucking wagon of a team that's supposed to be a cup contender. They couldn't even win the pillow fight of a fucking Pacific division. They put themselves in this situation to go against Anaheim in the first round too. They should have been fucking playing, they should have been playing Utah, not saying it would have gone any better for them in that series either because the way that Utah is buzzing, but definitely a lot easier in my opinion than going against one of the, if not, is either all time or second all time and wins and playoff history. Coach Gwynville, I pretty sure we all came to an agreement on this podcast that we'd rather play Anaheim than Utah. We, we like talking about that. Yeah. I think mostly because of the way Anaheim finished and Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, I think 100%. I bet if you could go back, I would 100% choose Anaheim over Utah. Utah's look great too, but this Jackson, the coal man, like the, the American D in this playoffs right now are absolutely incredible. Him, Hudson, Faber, like it's a real fucking joke, how good they are. But I just love the Quinn Hughes. Yeah. I meant, yeah, I was thinking more younger, younger guys, but this, uh, it's, I mean, wait, the only thing you can be looking forward to is like, like this said, if there's any team that can do this and come back and make this a series and get to a game seven, and if you get to a game seven with Connor McDavid, it's a coin flip, right? And it's, it's one of those things where you'll take in Connor McDavid's team anytime in a game seven. So I don't think it's complete, complete panic time yet in oil country, but it's, uh, it's pretty damn close. It's far from over. I'll say that. Do we talk if they lose at home, biz, if they lose at game five at home, I don't even under, I don't even want to think about what's going to go down. I would hope there wouldn't be complete panic with the front office because you got two million years of Connor and, and, and, and listen, listen, listen, that's if he doesn't ask out to Detroit. Yeah, that's that, that, that would mean that he doesn't ask out for Detroit. Yes. Correct, sir. Correct. Correct. Now, you think if they lose this first round series, he's going to be like, all right, let's saddle up and get ready for next year here or oil nation. Really signed it to your extension. Just go going back here quickly though. We talk about these veterans for the Anaheim Ducks and I'm going to throw Cologne, Troy Terry, Crieder. How about that? Grandland signing. How good is that? That guy is a fucking dog gamer playoffs. And then Carlson and the first four games of the series combined, 22 points for those veterans. Well, those guys, I guess, Grandland, Grandland, this guy is unstoppable. I put the coverage on that goal. I just, well, buddy, let's, let's be real here. The defense has been a fucking issue since horrible since Christ was a cowboy. Like this isn't just like, oh, that this, oh my God, but I think you sometimes forget that they went to the Cup final back to back years. Like I don't, this season, I can give you that the defense has been a joke all year. Like you're acting like Christ was a cowboy. Like you don't think they played solid defensive hockey the past two years against Dallas and then against like, what are we talking about? They didn't win. They lost to a better team. Can you not say they played good defensive hockey the past two playoff runs? Okay, I'll just, I'm just going to read a stat for you. Okay. Oilers most goals against in first four games of a post season, 20 goals allowed in 2026, which is right now this year. Yeah. Horrible. 20 goals in 1982 in the first four games. 19 goals allowed in 2025. So in back to back post seasons, they've allowed 20 and 19 goals in their first four games of the playoffs. And one of them, they went to the cup finals. One of those, they won the round and then won two more rounds. What do I know, but we're, if they can outscore, if we're talking about defensive hockey, I'm saying is like, sure, I guess there's been signs of some okay defensive hockey, but I wouldn't say that that's what they're built on. No, I agree, but I think that their defense the past few years has been much aligned when you look at like there was games that they were team defensively incredible. Now this year, this is a joke. There are guys running around, they give up, buddy, they gave up a four on two last night. I think it was late in the third with Bush pinching and newton hopkins is skating backwards. Like he has rollerblades on facing a four on two in the third period. Yeah. It's, buddy, it's, it's, it's not a sound. Just some words of advice though. Be careful what you say about your own team because like you could drive guys out of town. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I think that our city and Edmonton is, is so much more like loyal and hardcore than Toronto and what you've dealt with being accused of. Oh yeah. Is that why speck blocked you? Hey, do you include everyone speck speck is sensitive. If speck doesn't unblock me before game five, we could be done. But before we end this, it's, it's not over guys. And if they win at home game five, they got a steel one on the pond and then game seven is anyone's ball game. Now right now the odds are the odds are against us. Our backs are against the wall and I wish we had a few days off in between one of these games. Oh, now he wants the two days off. He's in the chat. Yeah. Ask him why are these teams got two days off between game. He wants a fucking, he wants to watch out Tampa has it. He wants to call a timeout. No, I want an extra day of treatment from a Jesus. Zach Morris over here. Time out. Time out. Time out. Speaking of fourth lines, where is your guys? Oh, non existent. No speed. No physicality. They're getting eight year deals though. Oh, so you're calling off Frederick. Yeah. I mean, no, I'm fuck. I'm just saying is like, I don't know what I mean. No, you call off Frederick. I get it. Yeah. Eight year deal. Really hasn't been the player that I saw in Boston a lot of years and has come over. I know he had a tough injury. He's kind of battled through that at this point. I think he's healthy and it just seems a little kind of a step behind the entire teams. A kind of a step behind. I mean, Leo Carlson's flying down the fucking ice. He looks like he's six, seven. He's setting guys up left and right. He's back check. He's yeah, they got Carlson. How old T he's amazing on the I can't keep sitting here and talking about it. They got the call. They got the call that went to the ducks. It was probably right. The puck was probably in. I still will never get and I'll never back down. I don't know how they called it a goal, but they call it a goal. And I guess it's correct that they did that because it was in according to everyone. So congratulations to ducks. Hey, hey, guys, you guys won the series. Right? This thing's over. If you talk to the ducks fans, talk to the duck. It's over. It's over. It's David, man. Ducks fans. Ducks fans. Don't it's all it's literally over. Like they're like, Oh, what do you mean? There's another game. No, we won. So whatever we I think I think we gave everybody the appropriate double wrist there on the Anaheim side because what we haven't though. I was just I was just gonna that toe save on McDavid and I agree with you with that extra pep of speed gets that over the goal line. Like he beats his toe to the post. But our array array was the only guy who picked the Anaheim ducks in the series. Something array also picked the Kings. So our race a big array is a big fan of like when he makes a call right, which great call he he has been on the ducks for a while. And congrats. All right, he's coming on. But our array will pump out the call he made right. And I really stick down the Kings in seven pick and not mention like because with baited breath, you know, you think you'd be like, Yeah, I got the ducks. I also had the Kings. So, you know, I'm kind of 50%. But he's just like, No, no, ducks, ducks, ducks, ducks. Well, you have the Kings beating the abs. Yeah. Kings and seven should negate his his his ducks pick for sure. Little California and then there's me. And then there's me. I mean, I had the ducks in five. I mean, the oilers at five, I had the the sends in seven. This has been I think two years ago, I went eight for eight in the first round. I am basically it's like it's opposite day in my life. Everything I say is incorrect. Um, dare I say you've turned into me. I'm approaching you as as quick as a title. Wow. Hey, you got more teams than me now. You get you're going to fucking public appearances and Buffalo. You're part of the blade gang. I'm going, I'm going, I mean, I'm going to Buffalo as a sign of like, Hey guys, I fucked up and I'm somebody that can own this. I'm somebody that can walk into the belly of the beast. Hand up, hand up. I got this one wrong. Okay. And I'm putting my seat and my row on Twitter to let people know you want to come in and let me have it, rub my face in it. Tell me how stupid I am. This is where I'm sitting. If blade gang will have me, I'd love to. Apparently it's going to be like a Montsoon with hurricane winds and Buffalo. My rollerblading in wind and rain. That is a recipe for a disaster. But in terms of having a million teams like you, no, I would not say that's true. But I do. I'm happy for Buffalo fans. Um, I think, uh, let's move on. I think that's a wrap on that series so far to the Anaheim Ducks fans. Oh, it's not a wrap. Can't come out. McDavid. Ducks fans. Yeah. Uh, okay. Guys, Montreal and Tampa Bay. This has been an all time series so far. I'm going to get three games in overtime. You get the game for on Sunday, which was basically an overtime game. Brandon Hagel is a maniac, a complete lunatic, but I want to go back to game three because Martha St. Louis with a masterclass in coaching, everyone said, Ducks gone. Ducks out of the lineup. Get them out. Horrible icing gets burnt by Moser. You said, no, okay, whatever. Yeah, you're a genius. He keeps them in. And what happened? Biz, you texted the group. This is, this is scenes. This is feelings. The bell center chanting his name. Take us through that whole entire night game three. Well, I just, I had a feeling I texted the group chat. I think I think Doc gets one. So credit to Martin St. Louis for giving him another opportunity. Um, I didn't know what the odds were going into that one. It actually wasn't as good as I thought for Doc to get a goal. But buddy, that whole game was, was the fourth line. Like they played probably the least amount of any line. They ended up plus three and they had six points total. And then it's in that first period. Doc makes that beautiful play inside the blue. And it was, uh, it was, it was bulldoke who ends up picking that pass out of midair. What a play. Did you see that? Unbelievable. Oh dude, that line in him and in techs. Yeah, they've been fucking unreal. And then, and then after he bats it down, a beautiful pass over to techs. Yeah. And he makes no fuck a mistake bar down. And then to see after that, the crowd chanting Doc's name, because obviously everybody's well aware of what happened. Like he had that horrible icing, the turnover, a lot of Habs fans in his DMs. And this is how you get, get, get to these modern day athletes, man. You go after their social media. So he deacts of it deactivates it. His girlfriend deactivated her social media. He gets refocused. He gets put in. And then what do you know? He ends up getting that fucking second goal too. Just pucks on that. And even before that, he had that beautiful opportunity where he got set up in the slot and then he shot it. And I think he hit Bazalewski like right in like the, the, the, the throat area. And then boom gets the rebound and they keep going. And, and a Arbor jack guy, man, he's been fucking unreal this series. So he was, he was in and out of the line. He was, he was bad earlier in the year. So to see him turn it around is awesome. Unbelievable. And he's the one who pinches down and keeps that play alive. So Doc can get it on the half wall and he throws a kind of like a, a knuckler towards the net and then it's deflecting off one of the Tampa Bay Lightning defense men. So that tied it up. And then of course you guys saw what, what ends up happening over time. And I mean, this series like between the, the fights, the hits, the KOs and like, I mean, the one other thing, and we're going to have to get into it for game four. And it's kind of like a, not as bad, obviously of controversy in the Anaheim Edmonton series is the high stick and the embellishment, the embellishment and the, and the stick play has been a lot. It's been the top, the highest topic of focus for me that is like the, you know, every year you kind of have one thing that stands out. That's like, oh, like this is happening over and over. Like one year I remember it was like goals off of face offs. It felt like half the goals were being scored right off of draws within five seconds. Well, right now, especially in that Tampa Montreal series, if you go back to the game before you saw Anderson and Demidov with these like unnecessary like high sticking, their sticks are going everywhere, buddy. And it goes back to the beginning with Gensel. It's been all, it's weird. Some of these series, this playoffs, it's been like these guys are losing their brains. And we talk about the league getting younger and younger and younger. I just feel like sometimes some of these young guys obviously Gensel, the big surprise there is a veteran like guy back on his back pressure. Like the fact that he swung the stick like that was banana lands, but I get it from some of maybe these younger guys who have an experience and you saw Martin St. Louis, they panel on the bench. He's like, my fucking God, boys, the Montreal Canadians shouldn't be taking more than three penalties a game against the Tampa Bay Lightning. That's it. That should be your number. Okay. If you're taking more than that, you're fucking being irresponsible and you're doing it wrong. And once again, on the back check there, listen, Montreal fans, sure, you have a gripe. He did swing his head back a little bit. And late and he did it like three seconds after he got it. But here's the thing though, is he got him and you don't know if the ref saw it. So he did get hit in the face. You want to make sure that you're, you're, you're, you're getting the call, man. So you don't mind the embellishment. Buddy, here's the thing. So I had, I had somebody reach out to me yesterday, basically being like a little bit frustrated about it. And I personally feel there might have been a little bit of Canadian bias towards it. So I said, Oh, okay. So if you think that's embellishment, then you think the Crosby ones embellishment, right? And then I, Oh, I would never accuse Crosby of embellishment. It's like, well, then fuck you. Like I'm not, then your opinion means nothing to me because you can't be honest about it. If you're telling me that that should have been embellishment, I'll agree with you, but you can't sit here and look in my eyes and say that you didn't think Crosby when he got nicked in the face was also part of the endowment. I think, I think I did say that at the time. And my thing on this one was if, if your head snaps back the moment you get the high stick, I never blame them. I never get it because that is a natural reaction. If you get high stock and then take two, three strides and then throw it back, I don't know how you don't call embellishment. I don't get it. That's fair. And that's fair. But, and another thing too, he got hit like that. And when he, when he snapped his head, kind of went like this, like to like, it wasn't like a, like that. It was, if you watch the replay, if you go back and watch it, get stuck in the face and he did get hit. And then after that, there's a slight second delay and then he kind of turns his head this way to like grab it as if the lick, he's cut or it's hurt. Okay. I get why he's doing it. You're trying to get the call. You're battling for position and then a guy just stuck in the face and then you, and then the way that the, the, the, is it James? That kid is nasty. So I'm going to, this kid is unbelievable. Another Tampa Bay Lightning out of nowhere guy. Yeah. A college guy. So he, the way that he's facing, the ref is in the corner. So he's trying to basically make sure that this ref is going to call it and there's no hand up initially. So that's why I think he grabs his face after to be like, fuck dude, I'm right in front of you. I just got stuck in the face. Where is your hand? So I'm okay with that being four on four, but I'm not okay with, with, with Montreal Canadians fans bitching about officiating when you had a two nothing lead, you have, allow them to all of a sudden get all this momentum at the end of the second period by allowing Jake Gensel to get free alone in the slot for a backdoor tap in, then you give up another great day in the last minute, even before the period end. So you should be lucky that you're not even going in there tied to two. And then what do you do when you come out for the third period? There's no reason to high stick James on the back check there. Your sticks out of position and you high stuck them. And then on top of that, what does Evans do? He gives fucking Kutcher off. That was bad. And then, and then Montreal Canadians fans are bitching that they said Kutcher off, dole. What Martin St. Louis, I like his wording in the post game press conference. He goes, they're very good at drawing penalties. Listen, if Kutcher felt that and he fucking kind of went down, Hey man, all the credit to him to get the call buddy. I don't even think he dove on that. That was just a dangerous play. That was dirty as shit. I didn't like that play at all. Keith, as the Canadians guy, this is coming from a person who had a full blown mental breakdown the other night. Last night, Canadians fans for you to sit there, they were going crazy that that wasn't called a dive and that it wasn't a dive. It was like, he was Evans. Evans had had one of the best shifts of the playoffs, that shift. Yeah. He'd been making plays. He had the stick lift on the back check. He's going for a change. There is no reason whatsoever to give Kutcher off that cross check. And when you're that going that fast and that close to the boards, that's a dangerous play. I thought he might get kicked out of the game. And so did Coop. Coop was going bananas when they only called it two. So Canadians fans, Keith, you, I don't get that. Yeah. Zero. You cannot argue that for one second. That not only is that a penalty. That's a dangerous play. There's no reason to do it. You're in good enough position to just skate with them if you need to or get back. I did not like that play at all, but it's also to like, remember, if it was either last year or two years ago, when the cross check from behind with a big top topic of conversation and you'd see guys, you'd take one cross check and then the second one, you'd see guys dive to get that penalty. Cause you, the coaches, you're having meetings with your players like, Hey, if you get a stick up close to your face, snap your head back, put your hand on your face. Like, you know what you have to do to get a penalty in the power in the playoffs. Cause it's, they're so important. And if you can score on them, they're obviously even more important. But the little things of even having those conversations in your locker room where it's like, Hey, if the sticks are up by your face, you've got to put your, you snap your head back to get that power play. Cause yeah, at the end of the day, that's one of the things that's being called the tightest right now is the high sticks. People like people like that are complaining about him snapping his head back. It's like, buddy, you do whatever the fuck it takes to win. Yeah. Shut the fuck just cause, oh, it should have been four on four, buddy. You fucking threw that game up all over yourself. You were up to nothing at home. You took two stupid penalties in the third period and you gave up a last minute goal at home leading into the third. I also put a little, I put a little blame on the, on the Canadians fans too. You do not start booing Kuchirov during the playoffs when he's a little bit sleepy. You let him sleep. Do not wake him up. Yeah, but that's been a time on a tradition of booing the best player on the other team. And they get the fuck. Let him sleep, man. Like then he, like if they weren't booing him, does he shoot that one from the corner at the end? Like he might dust it off a little bit. I don't know. I think you leave him alone. Don't boo him. Let him sleep and try to win other ways. 12 minors for the Montreal Canadians in their two home games amateur hour. You should not be taking more than three penalties for max. If it goes to overtime, sure. I guess we'll save the best for last. Brandon Hegel, bro, boys, he's got six goals. Boys, boys. That is, that is a fucking dog right there. That is a guy that every day of the week, twice on Sundays, that guy's on my team. Just an animal, an animal. And he fucking, he set the tone with that fight with Slav. How about Slav and both their losses? He fights Hegel, boom, gets the fucking right hook right to the dome drops. He's the one who turns it over in the, on the tying goal to Hegel. And then in this game gets lit up at center ice. Who ended up getting them again? Crozier. Hey, the view I saw that hit, it is shoulder like directly to the face. Yeah, but he's driving through his body. There's no way with the, with the, that's a hit man. No, it's a beautiful hockey hit. But I see a lot of people like, wow, it's shoulder directly to the face. They might not know how the rule is like worded. Yeah, they also smoke cigarettes for breakfast and eat Joe Louis and a Diet Coke. Good for them. And they speak with a French accent. That's who thinks that was a dirty hit. Hey, Caulfield getting on the board though. He's got his first huge. Okay. So now leading in. Oh my God, for Canadians fans though, I just, they had it. If they make that thing three one, they're in the driver's seat and now you got two of the next three in Tampa. You got, you got Cooch coming alive. Who knows how Slav feels today. Slav is taken. You got knocked out by Hegel and completely Scott Stevens, Paul, Korea by Crozier and credit to him for coming back into the game. He came back into the game and on the ESPN broadcast, he's got him on the bench and he's going, he gives a nose a little, just he looks over at Caulfield. He goes, is my nose straight? He was on Tampa's bench. Hey, did we talk about the Cole Hudson goal or we kind of breezed over that? We breezed by it. We breezed by it. This kid has been so impressive to me. And I know in the beginning before playoffs started, it's the question market as a smaller defenseman for him. Like, can he get to that next level of that, you know, tier one NHL defenseman? This kid is so impressive, man. Like what he does on the ice every shift. And have you ever seen, they interviewed him after the, after the game, after he scored the overtime win, he didn't have a drop of sweat in his hair and he's moving a thousand electric interview though. At all time. And I couldn't believe that interview. It felt like he scored a goal goal in beer league or something. Who was, who was doing that interview? I said that I would go pile book caucus. He just, yeah, yeah, yeah. I felt for him, man. He was, I think he asked them like 10 questions where I think usually that's a two or three question interview, but he was giving them absolutely nothing. Nothing. And you know what with Lane Hudson, he's a hockey player. It's hockey. He's a hockey guy in his mind. He's like, ask, hearing the questions. He's like, I want to go back out and like work on like a bad play I made in my own zone. I want to feel in the net a little tighter. And then he's like, what'd you say? Oh yeah, it was awesome. I mean, they asked him, you don't take many slap. You said it was the first slap shot of the year you take. He's like, well, I took the last one was a one timer. Like he's just hockey brain, hockey mind. And that goal, he's like hockey, artistic almost. Yeah, I'd give you that one. Yeah. Hockey spectrum. That's a great call. That's a compliment too. That's a tire pump. That's a tire pump. You're on the hockey spectrum. Now the video, the still image of the game three winner and overtime, I will never understand how that puck went in. Have you seen behind him, Biz? There's seven bodies. I don't even know. It was like the C's parted. Maybe his hockey spectrum autism is like, it's like, Jesus, no, the C's part. He was able to do that. Who's the guy? Who's the guy from X men, the guy in the wheelchair? Like with his mind, he could just like part, part things like you make things move. Yeah. Big C's. The bald guy. I know you're talking. He was also in Star Trek. Yeah, he's the leader of them, I believe. Big C's. Oh, it's he's that's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, what a what a fucking series. I and Vazze's found it, Vazze's found it boys. And I, I, in my gut, I, I picked Montreal in seven. I knew this was going to be an unbelievable series, but I think that we're going to be looking back when Montreal loses the series. And we're going to remember game four and how they had it. The A this, this is, this is like, this is like the Leafs. The Leafs were up three, one again, it's Florida in game four last year. This is like the exact same situation. And then boom, they made it three, two, and then the three, three goal we all know about my Marner rant. This is exactly this fucking exact same situation. Just a high scoring game. I feel like it slipped from their fingers. I do. No, it ain't fucking over, Bizz. It ain't over. You go, go, still on the road. Yeah, well, fuck your gut. The like, what, what do you think the conversation in the coaches room is about what can we do to contain this fucking Hagel mute? All right. Yeah. The motor on them. There's not much you can do. And now Hudson has this very similar type motor, but on the back end, it's just different because you're never in on the four check and running guys in front of the net and having pucks hit you in the stomach and go in and fighting people. Like it's a different thing too. That's another thing too, is people are like, Oh, like, like, oh, it's all coach. It's all coach. Oh, Hagel, you just stand there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Imagine being that size and having the fucking balls to go to the blue paint the way that he does. And if it was so fucking easy, why and everybody else doing it? I see a little where people say hymens only good because of McDavid. I think it's kind of similar like nobody, not everyone can do it. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that right now, the way that that Hagel is impacting the game and the areas that he has, he's, I think he's above that he's caught smith. He's caught smith. He's legitimate. He's the front runner right now. I think, I think, I think it's incredible the impact he's made. Like I, I, if I, if I'm, if I'm the Chicago Blackhawks, I'm sick to my stomach. How about the Canadians and the savers? Now the savers are loving life and the Canadians, they got tons of young talent, but Chicago, yeah, that is, as I'm sitting in Chicago right now, it's like, Hey, you guys see Brandon Hagel play. He's seen the six goals he has in four games. Oh yeah. You guys, what was that trade exactly? Can we get that trade? I think first, they ended up with boys, okay. And the other first rounder was pretty, is pretty good too. I can't think of it off the top of my head. Gee, check that. I thought it was last. I'll be trying to package those for, for, for, for Brady Kachalk and about fucking two months, two minutes. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that series. Before we have on our first guess, we got to bring up the Boston Bruins and what was probably the most embarrassing home playoff game I can ever remember seeing the Boston Bruins and, and gee, just in classic kind of, you know, kind of like, I've been just so cold. I mean, you said this place is buzzing as I think you walked into the arena. I mean, that place was completely asleep. They were horrible. Outside was buzzing. Outside, inside the arena, I'll be the first one to say it. I've gone to a lot of playoff games in Boston guys a ton. That was the most quiet I've ever heard that arena and by far the most visiting fans I've ever seen. I mean, there was let's go Buffalo chance at some point in Boston for a playoff game that should never, ever happen. So it was, it was tough. And then in game three, I feel like it started when Bruins score, Arvidson gets the penalty shot, doesn't could have gone up to nothing. Yeah. Later, Byron scores entire life is sucked out of the arena. And then it's just for two days, two games in a row. It's just trash after that. To have the road team score nine straight goals in the other team. That that is, you might as well take a shit on their logo. It's an indictment of a team and a franchise. They were one of the best in the garden. They were one of the best home teams. I know. That's why it's so crazy. But I guess at home, they're past 10 games in the playoffs. They have not been good. I believe they're three and 10 in their last 13 home playoff games dating back to 20, 23. That's awful. That's, that can't happen. We, we got to go back to one of the EBR rules. And something that we were talking about in the group chat was the fact that I kept hearing about how good of a, a matinee team this was. And then I think it was backed up with chat GPT digging up what their actual record is, but mind you this season, cause I, I once I fired that tweet out, I had a bunch of Bruins fans saying like, what Bruins fans told you that, so they're 500 this whole season now playoffs when it comes to the matinee games or five, five and one. So if there's a Bruins fan out there that tells you they do not like an early start game, they are lying out of their teeth because that is Boston Bruins fans Super Bowl to get a buzz on by 9 30 AM. Go to the game, get waffle, cheer for your team, have a good time. Obviously not in those games, but when, when they have that early game, that's their absolute Super Bowl. I get group chat and text from people back home. Who's going to the matinee game? Who's going to the matinee game? Matinee game today. That is their super. So biz, if anyone's saying that to you, they are completely lying out of their teeth. I fucking idiot Bruins fans in my, in my mentions right now, because I said, Oh, I thought this, but mind you, I just gave you the record this season though. They're, they're five, five and one. So this year, whatever you guys told me, as far as your EBR rule, number two, always bet, bet Bruins in the matinee game. So they had in the regular season, they had 13 losses at home, I believe, and four of them were in day game. So I guess this year they could complain, but for a long time, the Bruins afternoon at home have been like a money bet, a money bet. Now that's like going, that's like going red on roulette. Like it goes 15 times in a row and all of a sudden it's eventually going to turn the other way. And I think we're on the other side of it. And boys and boys, the penguins and who stayed alive will get to that. And the Bruins who are barely alive all year. I didn't get how they were so good. I never understood it. I believe I said that they both could be lottery teams in the preseason preview. And now you're kind of seeing, now granted Pittsburgh's alive and they're going home. So let's not like Pittsburgh is in a better spot than Boston. Do we agree on that? And that was not in a great spot, but both teams to me, I didn't get it. I didn't get the regular season success. And now you're kind of seeing like, oh, maybe, maybe it was a little bit smoke and mirrors. Maybe they weren't as good as their regular season said the Bruins, they are outmatched. They are outmatched skill wise. I think pasta was getting booed by the fans. I don't want to blame pasta and all that swam and flipping out on the bench. Now, what did you guys think of that? What did you think of that? Hate it. Absolutely. Listen, here's the deal. Goallies, they're like, I don't know, they're untouchable, right? You can't call them out in the media. You can't yell at them in the locker room. You can't do anything. Like they have this protection about them and then they can go out and do something like that. I always think it's such a double standard when it comes to goaltending and whether they're playing good or bad. And if they're yelling at the team, oh, they care. Nobody else cares. I don't like it. It's got to be something. And if you are going to call the team out, you do it in the locker room in front of your guys, not where 20,000 people can see it and every a million is watching at home. So I I what if what if the guy holds more of a leadership role in the locker room, though? Because normally like normally a goalie isn't necessarily a vocal guy in the locker room, but I feel like Jeremy Swamin, it's a bit different in Boston. Like he is a leader. Well, then do it in the locker room. It's locker room. Gee, tell me or any of you guys, tell me the last time you remember like a Stanley Cup winning team, and I can't think of one now of a player on that team screaming at his team in public on the ice, not in the locker room. The McDavid one after the first two games in Florida a few years ago was in the locker room, which just happened to be Amazon, right? I don't remember a Stanley Cup winning team where a player is screaming at his team in front of the entire world to see. No, the coaches do it. Maurice Maurice did it to the Panthers one year, but that's the coach. That's the coach's job to do that. Would you guys have liked to seen more of like a McAvoy approach? Like after the game, McAvoy was asked about it, which was just we're a team here. Like keep everyone from myself to everybody down the list. We got to be better. We should have been embarrassed. Now, the other side of that is if you look at Swamann's playoff numbers, I believe in the last 16 games that he's played, he has a 925 safe percentage with the Bruins, his record in those playoff games, seven and nine. So he's got a reason to be pissed. He does have validation in what he's brought to the group. He's been the best Bruin in the game. David hasn't had a goalie in fucking 12 years. He doesn't bitch after every game or when they lose and he wins the games for his team. Yeah, agreed. I was just, I was just bringing some numbers as to maybe why he's frustrated. Now he's been the best player all every reason to be frustrated, but do it in the locker room. That's all I'm saying. Now, and Sturm was asked about it and Sturm said, well, I'm glad somebody showed a little bit of fire day. So he doubled down with Swamann because I, I would guess that we're in the minority having played saying that's bullshit yelling at his team in front of the cameras, getting off the ice where I think most fans probably loved it. And then the fans see Sturm back up the comment and the fans, I would say, do you guys agree that most Bruins fans loved that Swamann did that? Oh, buddy, they're jerking off. Yes. They're watching that on loop. That is a difference, I think, between having played and not. And that's no offense, no shot. It's just kind of how I feel. I do think Sturm is getting a bit outcoached here though. Me and RA were on the phone last night talking about this. Like I think you're seeing right now, Lindy Roth, 24 years of coaching experience, Marco Sturm won. I just, I don't think it's, it's even close. You see it in Philly too and in, and in Anaheim Edmonton. Like that's why they don't give out the Jack Adams award during the playoffs because you're telling me fucking Rick Tauket wouldn't get it over Dan Muse after what he's doing right now. They already voted, didn't they? That's what I'm saying. That's why they do it before. Oh, oh, you're saying before like the playoffs don't count. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I, I, we need, we need some opinions. Well, we got it. We got it. We got to pump some tires here on Buffalo side boys. All we did was fucking rag on the Bruins. We haven't even talked about Alex Tuck. Like, I mean, what the fuck dude? This guy's had an impact on every single game. He gets the primary tying assist on the Tage Thompson goal game one to revive them in on the four check good body puck springs loose. He ends up getting the empty netter, which is the eventual game winner. Cause Boston got a third goal. I mean, let's, let's go down the list. If you're going to say an Alex though, it might be Lion King. Oh my God. We're not even, we're not even done with Tuck. He got the fucking game winner and fucking game three boys in on the four check reverse hit on low right. He fucking, he punted him out of the lineup on that reverse hit. And then he kept going in that shift and then he scores the winner. And then what did he do? What did he do last game? Fucking great read off the Boston could even make a 10 foot breakout. Yeah. On a set break on a set breakout. Tuck just fucking wheels in. He probably called for the reverse gets it. Fucking no look backdoor dish to Quinn or I think it was Krebs and then top Titty the games on. Let's go talk six points right now in the first four games. The way that Buffalo four checks, like they're sticks, it's Josh Done, it's Benson, it's Tuck, it's Thompson. Like they four check so well with their sticks. It's incredible. They are forcing Boston to make these bonehead plays that they don't usually make. Like the one on, I think it was Josh Donescull. It's like two good, good sticks. You get a turnover, you get a goal. Like they are so good with their sticks and that's coaching. That's Lindy Ruff saying, Hey, get your stick in first. Like a lot of guys, especially in playoffs, you like to go in, you like to hit the glass, make a big boom noise. But no, use your stick, get your puck on, stick on puck and you're getting turnovers and they're capitalizing on their turnovers. It's, it's, it's truly is like really, really good fundamental for checking the way that they're scoring. I had a, I had a call before about, uh, Darlene either taking a suspension or somebody taking a suspension on him. We got a little close to Sidorov. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Everyone gets sick of Darlene, but biz, we got to bring in our first guest. Yeah, we do. He's going to have some thoughts. This guy, very pretty much a carny himself. 100% before we get to him, though, we got to talk about body armor. 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And let's just talk about an atmosphere. Okay. I get to the Kings game. It's like a regular season game. There's no vibe outside the arena. There's no activities. There's nothing. All right. These Buffalo guys, the rollerblade crew, they went into Boston enemy territory. I mean, it's just two totally different worlds. So I haven't been watching. I've watched the series. I haven't been dissecting the games as much because I'm just so focused on obviously one series. But the LA Kings last night really shame on them for the performance that they put in. Copa Tars last NHL game. I don't know if Kemp is hurt, but that team is and you know what? All these coaches, they pull the goalie early now. I don't know if it was 3-1 or 3-2 with five minutes left and LA went on the power play and DJ Smith didn't pull his goalie. You're facing elimination. You're done. Your season's over. You got to pull the goalie and go 6-on-4 with five minutes left in the game. I don't understand it. I do not understand it. So yeah, obviously no one's talking about LA because, well, that series is over. And I think Colorado just, they did enough. You know what I mean? When they got pushed on, they raised their level of game. They didn't expect, put too much energy. It wasn't too much of a battle. They're in a good spot. They're in a real good spot. Yeah. Yeah. Very similar to Carolina too, where they kind of just breezed through. Yeah, some games were a little stressful. Now, both of those teams could get eight days off. All right? But I guess the series that you're talking about that you're really dissecting is Tampa Montreal, right? And you are all in on this series. What do you think happens in these final three games? What are you looking at as a, as a, if you're a Canadians fan, did you completely blow it? And by blowing game four, did you blow the series? Oh man, what a series. Yeah. What a series. I mean, all the series are great, but these guys, after every whistle, they want to kill each other. St. Louis, I'm a huge fan of, I'm a huge fan of the Montreal Canadians as a team. I think it's interesting that they've gotten good again with minimal French players on their squad. I don't know if that is a hot take or a coincidence, but they got some dogs on that team. They got, and St. Louis is the best coach in the league. Barnard, there's no question about it. That series is incredible. PK Sue Bands on the train. You know, hangle. What the fuck? It's a joke. It's an anomaly. Kutcher off needs to pick his game up right away. You know, Kutcher's, he's been good in spots, but we need Kuch who's a little bit more angry, who's slashing guys, getting involved a little bit more. I think Braden Point's game is starting to pick up. I think his game is getting better and better as we go along in the series, but Coop, obviously there's a structure there and those guys are dogs and they ordered the rings way too early in Montreal. That is the problem with all these Canadian franchises. Their fan base is starved for anything and they win one game. You guys all know these series are seven game series and they have to win four. And if you don't win four, you're probably going seven. It's just the way this thing works. So that series is incredible. It's incredible. I love watching the Tampa Bay Lightning play it and I love Montreal. Slivkowski, I got to give this kid credit. I mean, he's been killed twice in this series and he's still, he's still going. He's still going. So it's going seven. There's no question about it. It is going seven. Listen, how do you, obviously the goal tending, I think if it goes seven, you have to take Tampa and that if you're splitting the deck on that one. And then I think, I don't know where Headman is. I don't know what's going on. It's done by business. I've no idea. Okay. Okay. I mean, how Victor Headman, wherever he is, has to be chopping at the bit to say, I'm coming back for six or I'm coming back for seven. And if he comes back, that's a major difference maker. Those are major minutes by a Hall of Fame player. So I take Tampa and seven. I have to. That's tough. We asked, I asked, you know, with the guys earlier, what do you, if you're Marty St. Louis, it's a slow down haggle. What do they have to do as a guy that was a shit disturbing, you got guys off their game. What are you telling your guys to do to get this guy who is absolutely putting his team on his back out of the game? Well, I think you got to pick one player and just do a matchup. I think you have to, you know, I got this whole theory about we need to bring back the game of the shadow player, you know, the head to head. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If a guy's causing too much problem, too much separation, you know, the little kid in Buffalo, either Benson or Krebs Krebs, I don't know anybody's name. I say all their names wrong. I think it's Krebs. Welcome to the club. It's hard, man. There's so many of them. I find a lot of these Euro names where it's like who's, who's number 49 for Dallas? It's like, uh, Ritz Kovion. That was a tough one. Ritz Kovion. He gets to an H. He gets to the names. That sounds like a drug law, like a weight loss drug. Yeah. It does. By the way, everyone's gonna get on that Ritz Kovion. Yeah. Um, what were we talking about? We were talking about Benson and these little routes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also I think that, that somebody needs to really quickly look at the penalty killing in the league because Tampa is doing it now. Now their power place starting to click a little, the double loop back, the double late guy. I think you need to send PK one with the late guy because you're flat footed at the line and the entries, I don't know what the percentage is. There's probably a stat, but, um, offensive zone entries on the power plate. It seems like it's got to be 80%. Yeah. But Aves, so you're, you're saying that you want to loop a killer with the last guy coming up. Yeah. But then, but then the, the, like, then there'll only be three other guys left on the ice and that'll be an either, ease it, even easier zone entry. Like that's the reason they do it. Right. Cause if, if, if you swing a guy, like, so basically now it's a four on three zone entry because you have one guy swinging all the way down with that late guy. Yeah. But I don't have Connor McDavid coming a hundred miles an hour, Braden point or Couch or whoever it is. I know, but the whole, the whole purpose is to just gain zone entry. And I think that you're, you're, you have a better chance having four guys. Basically, basically. It is crazy that in the past few years now, it is like they do get in set up every single time. If you have one super skilled player, you're in the zone now. And that was not the case when I came into the league. Aves, remember there'd be times power plays couldn't even get in the zone. The right play was to remit. Remember you used to come over the red line and remit like, get fuck. That is insane. But when, when, cause I thought Barkov's one of the best at getting it in zone and I would be the one dropping into them. And there used to be a guy that would cut off behind me as soon as I got to the blue line, Tampa, I believe did it the most where they would have a guy waiting for that, that back pass. But the guys now are so good at either going left or right. You can make a play and get it to them. Yeah. I don't know. I think, okay. So segue out of that, you got to shadow players. You have to shadow players. There's matchups that can be had that can, you know, if you want to shut a guy down, put another guy on them. It is a good point, man. I talked about this earlier this year, Aves with little kid hockey, and I was considering doing it, but they're eight and I didn't and the kid had eight goals. But what if you took, what if you took Jake Evans and literally he was standing next to Kutrov? Cause it's more Kutrov to Hagle than Hagle to me, but you stand them and you're like, Kutrov isn't even going to touch the puck. He's not, it's going to be four on four. Yeah. I'm interested because like you just said, like now all of a sudden like Hagle, if you're off to the side, it's kind of like when, when Colorado, if they're in the ozone, they put that third guy high across the blue, right? Well, all of a sudden they have so many dynamic offensive players where all of a sudden if you have a two on two down low with Nacheson McKinnon, because you brought a guy high or if you're shadowing Hagle and he's like, okay, I'm going to stand off the side and let these other two guys go to work. It makes it a little bit harder structurally, defensively to shut them down, especially when you have dynamic offensive players like Kutrov. So you have to be careful what you wish for and Aves, who would be your guy? Let's say it's not Evans. Is there another guy that you would maybe sick on, on Hagle or maybe give one particular line that responsibility to shut them down? Cause I feel like Suzuki's been a little bit quiet this year. Like that's the one, 100 points. Like all fucking Montreal Canadians fans want to do is stroke this guy off and tell us how good he is all the time. Like he's the most underrated, underappreciated guy in the league. Well, now is your time to make your presence felt. Well, yeah. Or you could say the same for, let's put Nick Paul onto Caulfield or Slakowski. Slakowski is just getting dummied. He's been good, but he's been good, but I need Nick Paul to be better. Okay. So who am I picking on Montreal? I mean, honestly, I don't know. They kind of have this team that's sort of layered in the same way. You need your best skater and you need a guy that can handle minutes defensively. But, but Cooch is the guy. Yes, you do it on Cooch because Cooch will lose his mind. He'll either lose his mind or it'll get him so fired up that he'll out thank you and he'll use it to his advantage. So I agree. It's a dangerous game to play. You have to pick the right matchups. But, but Buffalo comes to mind more because they got a couple of those smaller crafty guys that can really, that can really play. Oh, I want to come back to one thing also. I believe there were numerous times where Henrik Lundquist in the playoffs did a drive by of our bench and his brain exploded and he just half Swedish, half English, you fuckers, you know, tighten it up and Hank never said anything ever, ever. But I know two occasions where he did do a drive by and when he drove by the bench, you're like, Oh, shit. Oh, shit. So you can ask him this, but I'm almost. By the time he had a bit by the time he had done that, uh, keep in mind, Torz was probably the coach so he can make you go crazy in his own right. Uh, what would you compare his resume at the time of doing that compared to where Swamin and his resume now? I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have a comparison like that. They're the starting goalie. That that's your guy. And I also mentioned though, a Stanley Cup winning team that we've seen it done. And that's no shot. I didn't fucking win a Stanley Cup, but the Rangers didn't die there. Now was that on, was that on Lundquist? No, that was not at all on Lundquist. He one year when we were playing Pittsburgh, he flipped the net off of the Moorings the one year and, but didn't call anybody out. But you know, he was pissed. Like Dave's is saying, it's like, okay, the big fella's pissed off. We get a fucking shape up. So there's other ways to go about it. Is that what you're trying to say? Well, no, I'm saying that, you know, I, you're okay with it. I'm okay with it. Of course. Of course. And you're, and would it have to be, you're saying you're okay with the goalie or the star, the best player on the team. Do you understand? Or are you okay with anyone on any team in front of the cameras and in front of the crowd on the ice, giving it to their bench? But when Milner did it, everybody got pissed. Remember? Yeah. Cause he was, he was saying, he wasn't doing any of that stuff. Buddy, buddy, right. Come on. Swing and let in five. We're talking about a guy, we're talking about a guy who, who, I don't think he had a fucking, I don't think he had one goal in games five, six and seven throw the last 21 games of his Leafs career and playoffs. Come on. We're talking about apples and apples and oranges here. No, I think your goalie gets a pass. I think, I think the goalie gets the pass. I do. I mean, the buck stock stops with him, you know, sometimes they're just too dialed in. It's not in their nature. Like Vasilevsky, I don't think I've ever seen him do that, but, um, holy fucking Tampa, Tampa, Montreal. What a series. My God. It's incredible. It's incredible. And we got to move on to another one that's over. It's almost, uh, it's tough to, to have a lot to say on this series. It's more of what will happen in Ottawa after, but I'll start with this. Carolina is legit. They're for real. They're, they're, they just, they just are in your face. You can't get anything accomplished. And the fact is that I picked Ottawa in seven and I made a, I made a, a point to say that's if all Mark plays great guys, all Mark, all Mark, 931 first game, say percentage 939 gave to 926 game three, 929 game four, all my, if you told me that through four games, those were going to be all marks numbers and that Ottawa wouldn't win one game. The offense disappeared. And when I tell you, Aves, I've never seen a five on three that is that bad. They had four of them and I don't know if they got a shot through games three and four. And I'm talking not like 20 seconds on the five on three, like a minute 17 where they couldn't even make a pass. And I don't know what happened. I, uh, where was Stutzel, where was Brady, all these guys, they just offensively, they dried up. I think if you told the entire league that oh, Mark would have those numbers, they'd say, Oh, fuck, that's two, two through game four. And it was a sweep and give credit, give credit to Carolina, man. They, Nikishan gets knocked out. Game four was a brave heart battle scene. Okay. And Ottawa was actually Aves, I'll go to you because biz made a hell of a rant on TNT. You played on the edge. What did you think of that Ridley Greg hit? And that's a bunch. Well, I was the first to go live with it because I don't have barriers, right? I have the pointer stick, my Instagram. So I'm in. All right. I, that was incredible. I mean, I thought it was a body shot, a closer examination, and maybe it was a chin shot. That was, that was, I'm all for it. I mean, I don't, I'm not, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, that, that was a wild, what a fucking punch. Look at that view. Look at that still image, just a wind up as a guy's wrapped up with somebody and a straight sucker punch. It goes back to when Bobby Clark baseball batted the Russian in the ankle knocked him out of the 72 summit series and they won the next three games. That is hockey. Now, biz, you disagreed. You were disgusted with it. Yeah, I think that's fucking bullshit. What do you mean? I mean, I kind of even get a little bit annoyed by all the scrums too. I wasn't a big scrum guy. I was like, let's fucking do this. Let's just fight. What do you mean, Aves? What do you mean? Well, the scrums are the best part. I mean, much, no, the fighting, no, no, no, the fighting's the best part. No, no, I disagree. I disagree with you. Hegel punching out Slavkowski, as opposed to just seeing stinky mitts for fucking five minutes till everybody collects their gloves and sticks and we can drop the puck again. If you want to fucking go, go. You sound like torts. You sound like what do you mean? I sound like torts. You understand the mental game. It's not like I'm being a You understand the mental game. Do you understand the mental game? Yeah, yeah, I do. I'm also I will be a hypocrite. I'm not being a hypocrite. I would have rather just fought than scrummed it up going like this the whole time. No, you're and and when and listen, and whatever, I'm not saying I'm not okay with the scrums, go scrum it up. But if you want to give a guy a couple little rabbit punches in the back of the head while everybody's linked up that yeah, that's fine. But when Fogel's got Walker in a headlock and you go like this, like that, that's that's a suspension to me. That's fucking bullshit as entertaining and as much as like, yeah, I'm on on TNT saying that should be a five gamer. I'm also saying, oh my god, this is fucking amazing. And this is entertaining because I have no skin in the game. But this is bullshit. And if it happened to me, I would, I would probably if I played against them again, if we were in the minors and maybe there weren't as many cameras around, I would probably have my butt end out and look to catch them on the jaw and hopefully the refs don't see me. Like I'm looking for massive retribution. If that happens to me, yeah, to the point where I said I might even be at the other locker room after the game waiting for the guy and saying, let's go fucking figure this out in the parking lot, you fucking scumbag. I never did what he did in my entire playing career. I never did that. The worst thing I ever did was I bit a guy's finger, but he tried to fish hook me. If somebody puts a finger in your mouth, Aves, I mean, listen, you might like that kind of thing. I don't mind it once in a while either, but not on the ice, not on the ice. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. Here's what I'll say is that I have personally and Brady Kachuk. I'll tell you a quick story. I think we were playing Buffalo in the second round, game one. I don't have any points. I'm playing on a line with Shani and might have been me, Shani and Yogg's. I can't remember exactly, but it was Shani for sure. And he took me out for lunch after game one because I was ashamed of myself that I went pointless in game one and I wasn't effective. I was ashamed of myself. Okay. My fucking world was over and he talked me off the ledge and said series are seven games and the momentum can change immediately. You come back, you have a big game too. What the fuck? How does Brady Kachuk sleep at night? Putting a series up on the board like that? Like, don't you say after game one or definitely game two? Okay, I am going to completely dominate game three. Whatever I have to do, and this is where it comes back to the scrums. The scrums to me, when I played the way I played, that was that was beauty because every single time we had a scrum, I could get Kovachuk even more mad. I could whisper something to him in his ear. I could fucking I could light the lamp inside of his head continually. It's like when boxers come together and they're dirty boxing. That's what I like to see. This is the type of game that I like to see because who's going to keep their shit together but also be able to push the envelope as far as it can possibly go. After every fucking whistle. And so yeah, I mean, the Greg kid, and by the way, Bivz, it was the most electric moment of television that you and Anson Carter have ever had arguing on TNT about that punch. Oh, buddy, entertainment value. Give me that every fucking playoff game. But the act itself, you have to call it out, Aves. Like if somebody did that to you, Aves, what would you want? Oh, fuck off. This is the playoffs. I mean, what where's your moral compass? This is this is ridiculous. I just told you I never did Aves. I know, but I never did that. So you would have been in the box with that guy losing your mind yelling across that. Aves, you'd be you'd be digging up so much information on that guy's personal life and his wife that like you'd fucking you'd be hired a private investigator like variables old lady. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't. Is that who hired the investigator? I don't know. I'm just that that speculation. I do think that if if Walker had been knocked out and then landed on his face is probably 25 game suspension, he might still get five. Yeah. Yeah. No, Aves, let me hear it from you. What do you what do you think that you should you think no discipline five $5,000 fine for fucking giving a guy an uppercut? I mean, the season's over. They got embarrassed. Let's talk about the little guy on Carolina and how important Stankoven he's unbelievable. Third lines are and if you're going to go to their second line, they're the second line. Yeah, Jordan stalls third line. I didn't remember Jordan stalls the third line center Aves. That's how cold I am. Thank oven. Stankoven had been playing second line center all year. I think he put up 40 points, not to say points or everything. I was a little concerned thinking, oh, fuck, they want to go on a deep run, moving this guy to center for the first year. What is this guy going to do come playoff time and question Talski and that decision and not pushing all of his chips in? Holy fuck. Cause he and that fan base made me look fucking dumb. All of us really all of us. Well, he's one right. It's one round at the same time. That's that's that's fine. But he's also not being paid a hell of a lot of money and Taylor Hall was supposedly on the back half of his career. The back nine, well, they had seven goals combined in that series. Second line. They didn't even need their first line. And if you remember Jason Blake is, is he was good man. He had, I think he had a couple of 40 goal years and he was a rat. I think his son's better than him. That kid is nasty, man. That's his son. Yes. Yes. And he played two years at North Dakota and he came right out of college ready to go. His stats have gotten better each year and he's a rat too. And that line is humming. And the fact is that they got through with ease without much from Aho and Jarvis and Sveshnikov and they're going to at some point pop off. So yeah, you brought up stank, oven off the hop here. I don't think they have the depth to push it. There's no Florida though. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll say I am I am 1000% a believer now in the Carolina Hurricanes. Okay. And I think the narrative of that they're boring. Yeah, there's been some series in the past where it's been brutal. I'm no interest, but they provided more entertainment than a lot of teams in the first round against the Ottawa center. If anybody's to blame for being boring, it's the fucking scumbags of Ontario. If we're going to bring the scumbag word back up because that's what they performed in game four. They didn't lead for one second of that series. Carolina Carolina outchanced them on Ottawa's power play for the series. They had one power play goal. Carolina had a shorthand of goal. Ottawa's power play finished even for the fucking series. Oh, I was outside of outside of all mark. That was the most embarrassing playoff performance I have ever seen. Oh, Ottawa's Ottawa's an embarrassment and not I'll take it a step further Brady Kachuk all his bullshit about being so sad that he has to watch his brother. And I thought it was funny that Matthew he kind of took a shot at Ottawa. He said, I'm not going to go watch him in Ottawa. So he went and watched him on the road. I think on our show. Yeah, on our show, he goes, I ain't going to Ottawa. Yeah. Like who's I mean, that was a clear cut. That was a shot at Ottawa. I mean, his brother is the captain of the fucking team. We're a pro Kachuk podcast. So we don't we don't tend to rag on the conchucks here. Well, let's do it because Brady, I mean, we have to address this. He needs if I'm a G he's got to go. Oh, you want the question. So that's been brought up a lot. Is he going to be there next year? It's kind of like, wow, we're like pumping Carolina's tires. That's the story. That's a big, big discussion this off season. But I think biz as much as we love those guys, I think even Brady would say, fuck man, I didn't have it this round. I didn't have it. I don't know. He couldn't get anything going and he starts off with the fight with stall and I respected that. I like that. All right, let's get this series going and it it just fired up Carolina. I mean, it's not just Brady, all these guys that there are pathetic and stutzel. Is he a playoff player? I don't know, man. He's fucking one of the fastest players in the league, a little perimeter. He didn't get anything accomplished. But what I want to talk about too in this series is the handshake line, boys. Ifs, did you see that's being blown out of proportion? They'd already shaken. They've already shaken hands. So you think Travis Green was just, it wasn't anger. It was just okay. But he really, I reached out to our boy, Tripp and I said, Hey, I said, are they making something extra this? I know they already shook hands after the game right by where like the coaches walk out of the door. So it obviously looked like like Rod Brindamore was pissed because it looked like he threw Travis hands, Travis Green's hand away. I don't think that that I don't think that's anything there. I think it's being blown out of proportion. And then the fact that like people are saying that like he stubbed Mike Yo, I don't know. They'd already shook hands though, you're saying. That's, that's, that's, I did a little digging on it now. Nothing, but you don't dig, you don't dig, but well, I dug because everybody was making a big deal about it. So I wanted to come on the podcast and be prepared to talk about it. That's a pro move. Tripp's going to try to, you know, downplay it too to not get the shit going for his coat. So you think that there's something there? I mean, I don't know. Didn't do any digging, but it sure looked like there was the way that they, that handshake was. I agree. I mean, what do you think Rod's not pissed off that? How many players did he lose in that series? Two? Definitely. I thought it was Valorant Yelous. No, it's Nikitinakishin, Nikitinakishin. I get those mixed up all the time. That hit. Boys, that was one of the biggest hits. I think they're both around 230. Clean hit. It was Cromwell. Clean hit. Yeah. It was Cromwell. Pick your head up. And what's amazing is our buddy Brandon Yip sent me a video of a Nikitin hit in the K H L against the Shanghai Dragons or whatever the conlun red star. It was bigger than that one. Just some little Chinese kid. That one was huge. You got to post that. That's one of the biggest. He's, he's scorpion dumb. His body was the exact hit and Nikitin got clever. But man, I think DeLore, I think if he'd gotten on the ice, he might have ripped Ridley Greg's head off. Like I'm talking like the mountain. He was on the ice. Oh, he was on the, he was on the ice there, but he was tied up with Brady Kachuk closer towards the bench. Okay. Listen, I like Travis. He didn't, he didn't, he didn't see that with, he was tied up when that punch took place. Then afterward, afterward he was like by their bench, like yelling at them. Perfect game for DeLore to be put in. I don't know if you saw him walking pregame. He looked like a, like a refrigerator. I didn't know he looked like that off the ice when you were saying that I was like, what the fuck? Like 240. And he had the Vaseline on his face. Like you probably used to do aives. They should honestly, he should really think about it at a certain point. I don't know how much longer he's going to play, but you remember the mountain on Game of Thrones? Yeah. DeLore is way scarier than that guy. Oh yeah. He looks like Brock Lesnar's kid. Yeah. If he can, if he can string a sentence together and hold a frame, he should really think about acting because that's a face. I mean, you just don't have that. Imagine you saw that guy in a haunted house or a dark alley. Holy fuck. He's terrifying. Or on a mountain in armor. My God. But I want to come back to Travis Green for a second, please. I like Travis Green, but Travis Green, you got to go, bro. If you can't get fucking kichok and stutzel and these guys playing, you're out. I got no use for you. Same with the guy in L.A. Smith, DJ Smith. I played against Smith and juniors. He played hard. He played hard, but if you can't get your troops fired up, you're fucking gone. I don't know. The reason I disagree, man, is they dealt with a lot of injuries on the back end. They still got into playoffs. No Sanderson thing was just the death blow. And then Shabbat is pretty obviously playing through something bad and he was giving it what he could. Right? I mean, they, they, they were, they were down men and they needed everyone to be healthy. Boys, what did they finish on the power play and like, like, listen, like the only thing I'm going to say about Brady is like, I, I, I feel like he had one foot on the way out. Like I feel like, so let me ask you, is Brady on the senators next year? No, not a fucking chance. 4.8% on the power play. 4.8%. That's my percentage in picking and making calls this playoff. And I'm a failure. That biz, I agree with you though. I don't see him back there. I don't see it. And I, and I don't see, I don't think that this should be put on Travis green. I think that all things considered with the power play being that percent, like, well, what, what, what were the difference in goals in the series? I feel like every game was like a one goal game, right? Up until the last one. But how did, how did Ottawa have us all so fooled that going into the series because, because the advanced stats, which say what you want when they got goaltending, they were good. They were not just good. They were like top 17 in the league. And then they got, then they got the best goaltender they've had all year for four straight games. And you guys didn't believe in the Keynes either. You guys don't believe them. You guys think they're a joke. Trip came on here and told you that your takes were laughable. Wait, what do you mean? You put it, you were the same. You were with us. You just said you changed your mind. You had the King of Ontario hat on you jerk. You just, you just, at the beginning of this segment said, I'm a believer now and I wasn't before. I picked them to win the series though, wit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean? Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on. Top 24 hours for you, buddy. I said, I'm a believer in a sense. I think they can win a Stanley cup. That's what I'm a believer in. I pick them to win the series. I knew they were going to stop them. I knew Ottawa was a joke. That's why I kept saying leaf sir, King of Ontario. And this, this series couldn't have been played anymore perfectly for me to prove the point as, as much of a laughing stock as the senators want to label them Toronto Maple Leafs. Look at the season they had the amount of rumors and bullshit off the ice trying to torture their captain for being proud to be an American for starting rumors about their fucking gold tender for then dragging them through the mud because he wanted a little bit of rest. It was a fucking three ring send in the singer to Thailand. Don't forget that. They sent more of their Ivan to get executed in another country halfway around the world. Did you see the video Blutman found if he did it in 2017 too? So he's done it three times, not just twice. Kyle Ivan kicked out of sends nation. I believe for life. Oh yeah. So here's a take. Here's a take guys. Okay. We got, we got Brady Kuchuk. We got Jack Hughes. There's a couple of American players that obviously they won the Olympic gold that came back to their team and really didn't step up the way that they needed to be counted on. Okay. Versus a Brandon Hagel or who else, who are some of the other Canadians that have come back? Sanheim. McCar and McKinnon have been amazing but LA was an AHL team. Sanheim's been amazing. You know, you got a question. Let's just really kill it back and go, what's that all about? What's that all about? Because there's, there's some Canadians that are rolling and there's going to be some Canadians that, that are on teams that win Stanley Cubs that are huge, huge parts of it. And that's a big, you got, you got Matthew Brady. Who else off that team? Jack came back. Ico's been a little, little off in this series I'd say in Utah, Vegas. Who didn't make the playoffs? Who else didn't make the playoffs off that team? Pasha's got a point. Pasha's got a point and I was going to correct you. Like Jack Hughes is pretty lights out when he came back from, from Olympics. I think he had 45 points to close out the year, but yes, they didn't make playoffs. I agree with you on all that, but I don't think he's a guy. But this is what I'm talking about. It's not just about the points like Brady didn't do enough to lead his team. He did not do enough to lead his fucking team. So, so where does he go? Do you, do you want him on the Rangers now? Because I'm a little, I mean, obviously I, I, I know, I believe in him as a player, but am I going to take a big swing and say, you know what, I think this is a cornerstone piece to the future of our organization. He hasn't done a fucking thing really in the NHL. You're going to be on the Panthers. But who could, who could have done anything for that team to get past Caroline in that series? They scored four goals. Well, you need individual efforts. Yes. You need individual efforts. You got to sometimes put teams on your back and carry them into tough barns and, and, and, and do whatever he needs to do. Take the focus off everyone else and put it on him and be that dog. And I didn't see an ounce of that. He had a couple of good shifts. You need to score. And you need to score. Yeah. It comes down to like, you can run around and you could be physical. It's not just Brady. It's everyone. Like if you don't get points and you don't score at the end of the series, and you're making the money and you're the captain, the fingers going right at you. You need to lead by example, because you got the big bucks. I think we're focusing a lot on the negativity of Ottawa and it's Carolina. Carolina is awesome, dude. They're awesome. They're awesome. So let's fucking talk about it. Anderson, unbelievable. Carolina gets shit kicked by Tampa. Okay. So if they get there, listen, I'm, I'm all in on Carolina, man. What a, what a resilient group. What Rod, Rod has these guys firing on all cylinders. He's got them bought in. Everybody knows their role. They just dumbied a team that you guys thought that they were going to lose to in four games. They didn't lead for a second after all the penalties that they took and all the bullshit that they dealt with. I think the coaches, these coaches are also brain dead. Honestly, here's how you wit. You get the puck behind the other teams D if LA had a fucking hope of winning one game, they would have said at the start of the series, every time you get to the red line, and Panarin is a dog. What a horse shit. What a fucking joke. I watched him last night yesterday. He is embarrassing. They just gave him 22 million for two more years. When you get to the red line, you dump Pox in and you get behind their D. You fucking hit McCar every chance that you get. Okay. So in Montreal, Lane Hudson, you hammer, hammer, hammer him every single time you have an opportunity, you put him through the fucking boards because seven games is two weeks. It's 20 days, whatever it is, and you need to turn it into a nightmare for defense. So the teams that are going to win are going to do that. I don't know if Carolina did. That's what they did. You can't, you can't, you can't break out against the Maves. You can't get out of the zone against them. That's, so you're saying they're doing exactly what you need to do. And then, you know, the auto would be and there's a lot of other teams D that you can't do it, but look at Florida. And I guess in your opinion, what Tampa would do is they would just pound them. And that's the only way you're going to beat them is beat the fuck out of them and Ottawa tried and they couldn't do it. Yeah. Well, they didn't try the right way. They didn't get the puck behind their D enough. And whoever's going to play Colorado, I watched Colorado's got some, man, they're very good, but you can wear on Macar. You can make it painful on him. You got, who else is their D? Malinsky. They got Brent Burns. They got Manson, who's, who's, who's suffered injury. Devontave's. Devontave's. They have an unreal D, D corp. And quickly before, before we get there, sorry though, but in terms of Carolina's defense, because we just brought up Nikitian getting knocked out, I got to give some credit to the former Ranger, Keondre Miller, man. That was, that was, you know, when you say, we've said Hall fits in perfect as a Carolina hurricane and Taylor Hall said it himself, Miller's the same way. Like I think he's similar to slave and not as good, but just makes the right play. He could skate all their D could skate. That's Sean Walker moves. Like he's like the window there. So they have all these mobile guys, right? That have great sticks. None of them are super offensive besides ghost. And then he's on the third pair and it's just built the correct way. And if Anderson plays like this biz, that is the one thing. If Anderson keeps up like this, yeah, they can win the cup. Now Anderson Anderson at times, I think has shown weak goals go in. I look at, you know what though, they got, but they got bussy. They got a two goal system, buddy. They got a back come up. Does them not, I mean, they scored 11 goals in this series, nine five on fire. They had two empty net goals. So nine, not with an empty net. Is that scary? You're scoring nine goals in a series against a team that we clearly do just saw they outclassed them. Yeah, but I mean, it goes back, it goes, but other teams are going to score. Other teams are going to score. Yeah. Okay. Our other goal, our other goal is going to play as well as all Mark. That's it. There's your answer. Well, yeah. Goal technique is going to get better. Biz. What was, what was all Mark's safe percentage? Average nine 30. Now, I don't know if you, you, you, you might, you might get that. I will, clearly it wasn't good enough. I mean, he didn't pitch a shot out. He didn't pitch to, I mean, you got a fucking win, but, but, but, but right. But the conversation that Yanns brought up is are they going to be able to outscore teams moving forward? And I said, well, they generated a ton. They got their great days. All Mark was shooting fucking Roman candles out of his assholes, keeping them in the game. And, and yeah, I think that they're going to be able to score. I think that they're going to drum who they play next. I was just going to ask you, I think they're going to drum who they play next. Oh, okay. So Philly Pittsburgh looks like Philly is going to win that series. You think they just drum Philly? I would say that goes, how do you know? Philly's doing what Philly's doing right now. I think Philly wins. I think Philly wins that series in seven business right now. You're picked to come out of the East, the Carolina Hurricanes. You're not prepared to say Buffalo would work them if they made it to the East. Buffalo would scare me. Buffalo would scare me. Okay. But, but, but I'll say this for anybody, like knocking Carolina and the people who are picking against them in the first round and like the fact that, oh, they're boring. I just, I'm way more all in right now on the Carolina Hurricanes than I ever have been in the past. I think the fact that they did what they did to Ottawa and their first line wasn't even a factor in a, in a, in an offensive scoring sense. Like Jarvis was quiet. I think Aho was pretty quiet up until the empty enters, at least as far as point production. What I am proud at is Fetchnikov, the, the response after the club and hit and, and the amount of dog in him that has been gained over the last few years. Like I think Sphetch, I think there's going to be a massive, massive moment for Sphetch this playoff. I think he's going to come out of his shell and you're going to say, holy fucking shit. That's the power forward and the guy they've been missing this entire time. And there, there's been a big evolution in his game. I think that the Carolina, I would be willing to say the Carolina Hurricanes are going to stay on the cup final. Okay. All right. All right. So that, that's said, and I think that should lead us over into the discussion of Philly Pittsburgh. I don't think anyone, I mean, I guess going into game four, a lot of people did think they'd pull the sweep off there at home. The crowds incredible. I had to think Crosby wasn't going down like that. Right. He gets the, he gets the nice goal, nice little dish there. I think it was Carl, did Carlson give that little pass to him? Yeah. One timer. Pittsburgh stays alive. Now they're going home. Okay. Now Philly, it's the hardest game to win. Aves, you know that to close it out. Now they're in Pittsburgh, where they walked all over them in Pittsburgh. It wasn't even close. Game two was an embarrassment. What ends up happening in game five? Does Pittsburgh continue this? They got the momentum now Crosby showing up or is it finally the time that Philly moves on? I don't know what to think going into this game five boys. So Philly doesn't have what it takes to win the Eastern Conference, but they're proving to themselves as a team that they can win. And they're understanding what the level needs to be at to win big games. And by the way, let's bring it back to Sid. Sid dominated that game. Let's say he put the team on his shoulders and he won that game. That's what you're supposed to do when you're the fucking star of the team. You have to do that at least twice in a series to win. That is the difference. That's how you win the Stanley Cup. So when I talk about guys like Hagel or somebody told me that Vasilevsky's got Vesna numbers from regular season. So you guys are all fucking, you're all yip yapping about Carolina. You got a Vesna winning, winning goaltender playing lights out right now with headman possibly coming back. And you're talking about Carolina winning East. Get fucked. What are you analyzing? Well, well, Dave's like they would still have to get past Mark. You're talking about all mark. They would, they would still have to get past Buffalo and Montreal. That's a tough, that's a tough. I agree. So like, I agree. So that won't, that wouldn't be their match up until they get past. Pittsburgh was a lame duck. So it's tough to say Philly's got what it takes there. They're winning the series. No question. Can you ride some of these young guys that get hot? We've all seen it. You know, something happens when these kids come in and they just don't have the pressure and they're playing free that first playoff run. Yeah, no fear. And that's dangerous. That is dangerous. So that could push them a little bit and Kinecky could say, you know what, I want to become a fucking superstar right now. This is the playoffs where I become a superstar in the entire league. And you don't know what happens when a guy makes that decision. Unlike fucking Stutl and Brady Kachuk, who just, I mean, Brady needs to go have a long, long chat with himself. I'm telling you, Lynn, and the, if the Rangers want to go and make that stupid move to get Brady Kachuk, no, thank you. Okay. I don't even know what we were talking about. No, we were talking about last question. We were talking Philly. And listen, I think Flyers fans have been disgusted and I'll give them credit in terms of like, they're up three O and the main conversation is like, should Meachkov be in the lineup? Well, there was a reason it was being brought up because he's out of the lineup. Okay. Kind of, I understand not doing it before game four. You haven't lost the game. How can you switch the lineup? I get it now. Philly fans are a little disgusted, but they're trying to balance how happy they are with being up three one. And they're disgusted. Meachkov isn't going to be playing. I get that this is not the biggest storyline. The storyline is Owen Tippett and Porter Martone and how Zegris, who with the great, with a great regular season, you maybe, you're maybe like, Oh, what's he going to do in the playoffs? Different style hockey? He's been excellent. He's been excellent. So the Flyers, they just have so much good juju around their team and good momentum that I think talk it's like, boys, we weren't going to win this thing in four. This was never going to be a sweep. And there's like, seems to be zero panic with that room. Why would there be and going into game five? I, I don't know what's going to happen, but if Philly closes thing, this thing out is no surprise, no surprise whatsoever. It's also learning lessons too, right? With the young team like that, how to close out series. They're, they're hopefully, you know, with the way that they've looked the last half of the year, that they're going to be playoff contenders every single year, especially under talk. Like they've been great, but it's learning and trying to close out Sidney Crosby, one of the best players to ever fucking lace up the boots. So it's, I think for them, this game is huge. What you'll see from them. I don't disagree with the Meachkov thing. I think having Martone there kind of probably takes a little heat off of them with the fans. Cause I feel like they could probably switch on them as much as they do love them. Now that they have Martone, you can just kind of ride his coattails, but this team's been fun to watch, man. And you got to give a lot of credit to Sanheim and wrist the line and what they've been able to do to the big dogs like back there. They can skate, they can defend and, and, and, and business boy of Lidard holding, holding down the four. Did you see biz the slash wrist the line and gave Crosby when he was laying on the ice? Yeah. I mean, listen, people like you, you said the word scumbag in our group texts the other day. I've said it for seven years, seven years. And I'm like, I ended up saying it on TV. So people think it's just B who said it where I'm like, we're pretty much all in agreement that these, that organization is full of scumbags in a complimentary way. Like people also forget like we played for the penguins, right? I played in the A H L against the phantoms at that old bar next door. What was it called again? The spectrum, the spectrum. I played there. I had fucking guys running me through the end wall. I had, I think the guy's last name was Grant fucking grade three MCL sprain fucking dirty need of me. Like I want to work all all those meatheads. So no, no, no, there's no question. Let's say the city of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Flyers fan base are the greasiest fucking rude obnoxious assholes in the entire NHL. And that says a lot coming from you, Apes. They are from there. Oh, I played there a lot. I had they threw they throw quarters at you and try and take your eye out when you're walking down into the tunnel. I used to get changed thrown at us at the spectrum. Yeah, they're the fucking worst, but that's what makes them great. And again, Zegris, let's talk about Zegris. Here's a guy. Here's a fucking guy that says, I want to be a dog. We're watching a guy unravel, unpeel himself. Whatever a caterpillar does when he turns into a fucking butterfly. Zegris is doing it in front of us. Everyone else. Again, Brady Kachuk get fucked. Trevor Zegris. Talk about a guy breaking out and showing you what it's all about. And I'm not going to question talk because we're not in the room. So if Miechkoff needs a wake up or he can't play right now because he's just not at the level, then that's talk's decision. He's not a guy that I'm going to question. You'd rather have Zegris than Brady Kachuk. Oh, in a fucking million years based off of four, three, four playoff games and the second half of the kid's season. Absolutely. Oh, are you joking? No, I'm going to go take a hose. Yans and Aves can go at it. I'm going to go. This is getting uncomfortable for me. Yeah. I'd rather Brady. Of course. Oh, no guys. No, no, no. I mean, shout out to Zegris. He's been playing great. He's been unreal in the talk. Sometimes a guy needs a different, a different coach, a different setting and it's been great for him. He's been amazing. But to say that is a wild statement. Do you see, well, let's see, do you see Zegris' body like his, his vibes right now? Well, they're playing with confidence. They're winning. Ottawa couldn't even get a fucking shot on that. Well, that's, that's the problem. That is the problem. It's not because they were physically dominated. We have physical parity in the NHL. Okay. You can go out there and be a one man show and take over games. And Zegris is dominating right now. Would we say that he's not one of the best players in the playoffs? He's been awesome. Now I don't think Pittsburgh is Carolina. So it's like, if he was doing this against Carolina, just a, just a team who smothers you to death, I'd be like, Holy shit, there's a lot of open ice and the way the penguins are playing, I could see him having way more of an impact than in a tight checking just Carolina hurricane in your face type series. Imagine Philly Tampa. What a fucking series that would be. That's a fun series. That would be a fun one. That would be, that would be sick. I mean, I respect a she loves comes in. He looked good. That can switch up some momentum. Get the new goalie in for Pittsburgh. I want to see Pittsburgh. Hey, boys, if Pittsburgh can get it done at home. Yeah, I thought all of a sudden it's a little panic. The Tang's been off. He scored a big goal, but he's not been I thought he retired years ago. I swear to God, I was watching the game. I was embarrassed to myself thinking Jesus Christ shot. I go that's fucking the Tang. He's still playing. Yeah, he played all season. He took a leader. He had something going on a couple of years ago, right with didn't he have something crazy? He's had something. He had an issue with his heart at one point. Yes. Yes. Yes. Penguins fans have been on the little tanks. The tanks case this round, get score that big goal on a beautiful guy, a beautiful kick pass by Crosby. That was kind of sick. All right, Aves, that was Eric Johnson coming on to this has been great. I got rollback last question for you. Go to rollback.com use code chicklet C H I C L E T S on R H O B A C K dot com 20% off polos, shorts, hoodies, swimsuits, everything. Chicklets on rollback. What if if you if you despise the Montreal Canadiens? I got a pretty light day today. All right, tomorrow. I will do cameos for anybody who hates the Montreal Canadiens because their fan base is really they're just like, je ne sais quoi. They have no fucking je ne sais quoi. You know what I that's a they're just like order the rings. No, pk shut up. All of you shut up. You got to win the series. Okay, Aves, Aves, go touch some grass. You seem a little angry today. Well, no, I just want you to oh, you're in the mammoth. Oh, wow. What is this? Oh, that's the banana hammock. Holy shit. Thanks. Wow. Go check what they've outscored the Vegas goldmights since I throw this thing on Aves. Final question. Who's winning the cup? Carolina. That's the rollback. Carolina. Oh, shit. I can't too much. I know answer. I know answer. Chon. What about the finals? No, can't get the finals too much parody too much headman coming back is the question. I know fucking if you want to don't avoid it. If he's coming back, look out. All right, go and brandy my guy from day one. Let's go. Sean Avery, everyone. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon. We're going to bring on Eric Johnson. We got to talk out west a little bit, but first you'll talk DraftKings. The play officer here, everyone knows that DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports buddy, partner of the NHL, has a new customer offer. When the ice gets cold, it's the best players in the world to show you exactly who they are. Playoff warriors turn it up round by round and DraftKings turns it up with them from the first round all the way to the cup final. Bet player props, bet live from the opening faceoff to the final horn. Every goal, every assist, every overtime hero moment matters. New DraftKings customers bet $5 to get $100 in bonus bets instantly. Okay. All right. 100 right now. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code CHICLITS so you're ready for the moment. Code CHICLITS, five bucks into $100 in bonus bets instantly. Also, the crown is yours. Reeses, remember school lunches as a kid and those times you scored a Reeses were, you were in heaven. You were a kid in heaven. You had the Reeses in the cafeteria. You were King Kong of middle school. Now you can go back to that same feeling. Reeses is dropping two limited edition cups. The return of Reeses Strawberry, PB and J and the all new Reeses Marshmallow Cup. Younger, you would have done anything to get one of these. Luckily adults, you can go to the store and you could buy one, but for a limited time. So grab one before they're gone. Reeses, the official candy partner of Barstool Sports, get Reeses at Hersheyland.com slash Reeses. Bring in Eric Johnson. This guy is crushing, crushing it as the color commentator for ESPN, ABC. There he is. EJ, sorry for the delay. We had Aves going off the handle. Aves style. What's going on, buddy? What? Boys, thanks for having me on. What's going on? Not much. And let's start off. Congratulations, buddy. It's not easy what you're doing. You've kind of just been very natural at it. You look great. I sent you the style at home. One of my buddies said, wow, EJ is a stallion. I said, let's not go that far, but you do look good in the suits. Have you been enjoying it as much as it seems? Biz, what are you wearing? My mammoth costume. Nice. It's been good. I think going into it, as you guys know, when you retire, it's kind of, there's a lot of uncertainty. And, you know, I knew I wanted to stay involved in the game and I had a talk with Danny Briar about maybe doing some stuff with the Flyers, but the TV thing popped up and I just thought like, you stay close to the game. You know, I knew I want to stay involved in the NHL. And for me, the biggest thing was, is it going to be hard being between the benches, being that close to the game so quickly out of retirement? Like, am I going to miss it? Is it going to be hard to be out there? But it's actually been the opposite, guys. Like, I think it's been such a great transition to stay that close to the game. And I don't think maybe that would be the case for everybody, but for me, it's been unbelievable. I've really loved it. Love to travel, love hockey, love the people I've been working with. And just it's been a really a blessing to be able to stay involved in the game like this. It's been a ton of fun. Do you almost feel like it's easier because your hockey knowledge from just like getting out of playing is like, you know, your brain's essentially firing on all cylinders. So to be able to like talk about it and break it down for the people at home, the transition has been nice where you just didn't take this like layover. Yeah, like I think the thing for me, Biz, was I wanted to enjoy life a little bit too first year of retirement. So I wasn't super busy the first half of the year. My schedule was kind of packed towards the second half, which has been awesome. Like I got to do a bunch of shit I could never do as a player at that time of year in the fall and the winter and earlier in the spring. So that was great to be able to enjoy life a little bit too. And then just going right from the ice to the microphone has been way easier than I thought. I think like you said, it's easy because I know all the players right now. I think it'll probably get harder as it goes because you don't have those relationships. You're not sure. No, it actually gets easier to start carving guys the more and more you get separated. Oh yeah, we didn't carve anyone. Now we got Avery on Pick and Seagress over Grady. Yeah, exactly. But no, like that's it's, you have to critique your buddies, right? That's that's going to be difficult, right? So that's the hard part. You mentioned like doing things you weren't ever able to do when you were a player. Like some people like obviously skiing is something you can't do. For you, you're posting a lot about your love for wine and then also horses. And we've talked about that before. What sort of things were you doing in the first half that you weren't able to do while playing? Yeah, so I like bird hunting. I went on a quail hunting Georgia. My buddy's got a plantation down. You know what a fucking quail is? It's a little bird. It's a from a movie. That's wedding crashers. Oh, yeah, sir. Yeah, he's got a big, big, big down there. So we hunted on horseback for quail with his dogs. It was fantastic. And then I got to play Augusta for the first time. Oh, did you pull that off? We're not getting to Utah, Vegas and Minnesota, Dallas, because we're going hole by hole. I'm sorry. How did you drinking through the thing right now? How did you pull that off? So there's a buddy of mine who's a member out there and he said for your retirement, I'm going to take you down to Augusta. So we flew down there with three Denver guys and Dustin Lynch, the country singer came with. So we had a good time down there and it's everything that's cracked up to be the food. It's so proper. You got to show up in a coat and tie and you can't go anywhere with your cell phone. It's crazy, but it's a spectacular place and didn't embarrass myself too bad. I did skull one out of the bunker on the first hole under the grandstand though. So not ideal, but it was fun. What a retired after year four, if somebody promised him that. But speaking of like, you know, what'd you shoot quickly? The first day I shot 85, the second day I shot seven. First day. You got to play it twice? No, he's there for a week. I think you usually go down and you get to play, stay over and play again. I think that's kind of the standard. I got cottages on property and... Was that a 79 the second round? 79 the second round. Wow, that's awesome. I pipped out for Eagle on 15, still pissed that one down my leg, but it was a great time. It's as special as you would think. So I was pretty lucky to be able to go. Man, that's awesome. You deserve that. Good for you. All right, back to the hockey quick. Let's start here. What series have you done so far? What have you done a game for? Which series? I did games one and two Dallas, Minnesota, and then I did game two Colorado LA. And then I'll do some second round games and I don't have anything past that. But yeah, it's been fun. That Dallas, Minnesota series has been... We should start there. Okay, let's go there. I'm going to make a statement. I'm going to make a statement. And any of you guys, you can disagree. Game four for the Minnesota Wild was the biggest game in franchise history. Yes, absolutely. By a mile. By a mile. And were they going to go down three, one? And Minnesota Wild fans, EJ, before the game, we're going to lose this game. This is what we do. Minnesota sports and Felino over the top of Atenger, Berries it and Matt Boldy, EJ. We have an American all blown superstar. And he's one of those guys that you could always kind of see it playing against them. It was just when is he going to break out? Right? Like this kid is... And I interviewed him after the game. He's a big dude, man. Like I didn't know he was that big, but his skill set for a guy that size, fuck, is he fun to watch. I mean, Caprice off. If they can get one more center, like everyone's been bitching about they need a center, they need a center, they need a center. I mean, they can be a contender for a long time. That Faber Hughes, Bering, might be the best in the league. I mean, I probably give the edge to McCarr and Taves, but Bering is fun to watch, man. I wouldn't. And quickly, Boldy would give you six on the front, six on the back, and still beat you on the 14th all. That's the most incredible part about him. The best golfer in the NHL. So I digress. The Augusta talk got me just a little. I got some blood flow here. If, okay, now you're going back to Dallas, right? So you could get game four, they did it, now build the momentum here for the wild. Like what do they have to do from what you saw in games one and two? Like what is their game plan and the way that they're able to beat Dallas in Dallas for game five? Well, their power play in game one was spectacular. Dallas tightened it up a little bit. Like they wanted to be so aggressive, you could tell on the penalty kill, but they kind of got a little more patient against Minnesota. They were just picking Dallas apart with their one touches, especially fine. And this is, by the way, this is the most overused term in hockey. They found the bumper so well. I hate the bumper. Just so you know, fuck the bumper. I hate the bumper, but they use the bumper as in, as in, as in what the guy in the middle. I just hate, I hate bumper. I just hate it. I just think it's the most overused term in hockey. I don't know if you disagree, agree. I say middle man, I don't like bumper. That's my rant. I don't like the bumper. Okay. I thought they used bump, the bumper, the middle man so well. There's the middle man so well in the power plate. And I think this has seven written all over it. I'm sure you guys all thought seven before the series started. We deserve seven hockey fans deserve seven. Colorado probably hopes it goes seven. They're licking their chops with eight days off till they have to play next. But that series for me, I hate that it's the first round, right? Doesn't it feel like a conference final almost of, you know, back to Colorado, but that's a shame that's done that to those teams. One of those teams will be out in the first round, but for me, Minnesota, they have played with better pace than Dallas. I don't think that necessarily means that they're going to win the series, but they look like a faster team to me. But I mean, what, to the, to those games gone over time, three, whatever, I don't know what it is, but Minnesota seems like the quicker team, the fresher team, but that doesn't mean anything yet at the end of the day, right? But what a, what a great series that's been to watch. And I just think the officials got to let them play. I want to see this five on five, put the whistles away, let these guys play. Yeah, I thought I thought it was a pretty crazy stat in the game three, where it ended up going to double over time. Minnesota didn't generate one scoring chance from inside like the tighter house, which is where 50% of the league's goals are scored from. So I found it odd that Minnesota not being able to do a good job of getting inside obviously a lot better at that in game four. Who's impressed you the most for Dallas? I mean, Otenger put on an absolute clinic and net and probably deserved to get the win in game four with how many 10 bell saves he had in overtime, but who are the other guys for Dallas that you've been impressed with? I really liked that. Esselindel, I think he's really underrated. I think people know in the NHL, the average, not the average NHL fan, but a lot of people within the league know how good this guy is. He's such a beast defensively. He's tough to play against. And I remember when we were playing against him in Colorado, McKinnon would just say he's a complete nightmare, miserable to play against. So a guy like that, I kind of try and give him some love. I don't think he gets a ton of love nationally. I think he's a total horse for Dallas. And that Y. Johnston, I love him. He's, everyone knows about him, led the league in power play goals this year, but he's not the fastest guy, but for, he's not that old, but he's so smart, right? He just knows how to get open, finds the right areas. He's got a heck of a shot. Everyone knows about Ranton and how good he is in the playoffs, but Johnson and Lindell are guys for me that are told, and I think Hayes-Kinnon's playing, he looks a little nicked up to me right now. He's still playing well, but I don't think he's at a full health, but let's face it, no one is this time of year. Oh wait, can I ask one more question? Jason Robinson, he's got four goals and four games. Like this guy got snubbed out of the USA team and it just looks like he's on a vengeance to be, you know, even playing against Billy G, where it's like, Hey, listen, I'm a guy that can perform in these big type of games and he's been outstanding. Yeah, him too. He's another guy that like, he's not super strong. He's not a great skater, but like, he just knows how to get it done. Great shot. Thinks the game super well. It seems like he's kind of a step ahead out there, but yeah, I think Dallas, I mean, what was the draft that they had? Did they get Robert- Hayes-Kinnon, Robertson, and one draft? Like, Jesus. Changes of franchise. I mean, incredible. Those three guys and, yeah, I'm happy for Oddinger too. He, you know, he could have maybe gotten yanked in game one and what a response. He's played so well. After all the shit he went through last year, right, towards the end of the playoffs. So I'm happy for him too. He's played really well. What was it? Oh, I was just going to ask, what was it like being there live for the Black Will hit on Trennan? Oh, I mean, you could feel that one, right? I mean, Black Will is not a big guy, like not big at all. A little bit of a sewer pass from Bogosian. He admitted it after to the media, but Trennan's a huge guy. He had 13 hits in game one, and then he gets steamrolled in game two. And I think he's going to play in game five. At least he skated yesterday or today, but I mean, that was as bone crushing as you could, you could just feel it at ice level, right? I mean, you could hear it or see it on TV, but man, he trucked them. I think back to that game, you had one of the greatest breakdowns of the puck over the glass. A lot of people didn't see it, and you pointed out the mark on the guy's stick because he had white tape that it ramped up. So I just wanted to give you your props on that. That was an amazing eye by you. I can't believe I saw it either, Jans, because I legit can't see. Like I have the worst eyes ever. And I'm like, this whole monitor and dismiss, like, what the hell are you doing, man? Because the backup is right next to you at ice level when you're between the benches and they can hear every thing you say. So like, sometimes I'll want some affirmation, I'll look to dismiss and he'll be like, nice, man, nice call. And then he'll be like, not right. You know, like just giving me shit. Yeah, it's fun, man. That was that was a fun one to pick up live. I really thought you were going to finish off, you know, my vision isn't great with that's why I missed the Eagle putt on 15 at Augusta National Golf Club. But that, you know, good for you to not to not blame your eyes on that. I watched game I watched game four with Brian Yandle, his three boys. And I sat there and I said, I can't believe that the Nashville Predators bought out Matthew Duchain. Oh, because you look at him and you look at what's happened with Nashville and the signings of the older guys and what's gone on there. It's like, what the hell were they doing? Getting rid of him. He looks fucking awesome still. I mean, he has, he has, I think he's got four assists already in the series. He's a, I'll give him dog status. He competes like a bastard. And that's just part of like the Dallas. I mean, I will say, I don't know if Minnesota can win this series without Zuccarello. Any word from anyone on this? Have you guys heard anything playing tomorrow? I think he was practicing on the first power play. That's huge for me. That's big. Practicing on the first power play, probably game time decision. But last I saw, I saw he was playing. Yeah. That's huge for Minnesota. Wow. If he's practicing on the power play, if he's practicing on the power play, that usually means you're in, right? Yeah. Yeah. And EJ, we had Billy G on biz. Was it the season preview last year or this season? I think it was two years. Like, yeah, when we're talking about Baldi, yeah. And he's like, I think this guy is a possible 40, 40 guy. I thought he might have said 50, 50 either way. It was, it was like, okay. And now you're seeing it. I didn't know. And he never mentioned with us. I saw an article that said he did grab him maybe two years ago and said, you just need a little bit more like F view to your game. And I think he has it. Like on the four check, his sticks incredible, but he's also like laying it on the line, like his body, he's taking hits, he's giving hits. And he's, I think Billy G probably meant like, you're so big, as you mentioned when you interviewed him, like you can take over games physically because forget your skills and how many times is this guy going to flick the puck over somebody's stick or body to himself? He's, he's mastered that move. So shout out Billy G as a GM and then Baldi just, he has reached a new level and that's incredible for wild fans. To me, it seems like all those US Olympic guys came back and have played with a level, a new level that they, they weren't at. I have such confidence. You can just tell they have a swag from that. And I can see it with all those guys, like Faber and Hughes seem like they're on a different level. Like I have a new appreciation for Quinn Hughes. I mean, I played against him for a long time, but this kid is unbelievable. Like I'm, I'm beating a dead horse there, but I think like I have a way, way more appreciation for, for how good he is. And I think playing on a better team, you're seeing that now too, but all those guys, Baldi, Hughes, Faber, they just seem like they have some type of swagger confidence that they got from the Olympics. Cause I remember coming back with after 2010, and I didn't want to play the rest of the season. I was miserable after we lost in, in overtime in 2010. So what those guys got from that goal, it just seems like they're playing with a new type of, you know, swag to their game that they didn't have before that. And going, I mean, we talked about Marcus Felino on that, that huge time goal to send it to overtime. Quinn Hughes on that shift just makes everything happen. He fucking dangles the guy at the blue line. Oh, what happened with Faber on that one? They just like made an unreal, like given goal play. It was just sick. Yeah. Well, I just meant more so that the individual effort, like beating the one guy at the top there by the blue line, and then two guys got sucked into Quinn Hughes. And then he kind of just takes that step, goes to his back end and then gets stern with speed, who ends up taking the shot where Felino cleans up the rebound. I thought it was pretty sick too. He used the side of the net in order to keep it alive, but he banked it off of it and the bounce off of that ended up getting in behind Ottinger and for him to find it over the top, like that was actually for the guy who called the Minnesota Wild, the fraud squad, Merle's X factor in the series was Marcus Felino. Now, I would be interested to get Merle's on. I don't think we are, but if he had the opportunity to maybe switch his pick at this point, whether he would do it to save face, to not get absolutely obliterated by wild fans, if they can pull this. I love Marcus Felino. He's so hard to play against. Like that's a guy to take on my team anytime. When we would play against him in Minnesota, you just, one of those guys, you always know when he's out there because he can truck you. Great leadership. Like, and I love what he did to a couple of years ago, to Oscar Sunquist when Wilson laid out Sunquist with the bad hit and Felino told Sunquist, I'm going to get Wilson for you. Like, who does that? He's just one of those ultimate team guys. And now that he has his brother, Nick, with them, those are, that's just a terrifying fourth line. McCarron and both Felinos, like, are you kidding me? It seems as though I would, and tell me if you guys disagree. The general consensus was that Montreal Tampa and Dallas, Minnesota, we're going to be seven game series. And it just, it's just shaping up to be exactly what everyone thought. I can't wait for that next game. Did you, to go back to one particular play though, this series could be three, one, it was two, one at the end of that game. When they had that crack on the goal line, when Hartman essentially saved the goal with his glove, like that game was in the hit before that you see the hit before it killed that guy who's last name starts with an H that doesn't sound like a horu. Ritz Kovion. No, Ritz Kovion. It's two guys with H. Yeah. And fucking, I like to buy a vowel, but that play that Hartman ends up dying, he makes that hit. And then on that scrambling play, I think it was Wyatt Johnson on the other side of the net hit it. It ends up hitting the inside post. And then somebody else was there to clean up the rebound and Hartman just grabbed it, fucking slung it out and kept it out of the net. So that was a huge swing. The net too, through the crease. Didn't you miss open net? Was it Fox? Yeah, I think it was him too. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's right. The tap in. Yeah. Yeah. So that's huge play. Electric. Hey, where are you guys picking in the Kentucky Derby this weekend? You got any picks? I saw Portnoy's got a Philly run in the Oaks. Love you. I don't, I don't know the horses yet. I'm kind of like Saturday at two o'clock, like checking emails for Mr. Red for a pick. Yeah. Who do you have? Well, he drew the rail, which is like the kiss of death in the Derby. The one, but I like Mike Rapoli's Renegade. He's the morning line favorite, but the rail is like the kiss of death. So we'll see. And then in the Oaks Friday, I like Percy's bar. Yeah. So we'll see. But that's the, that's the best day of the year, I think. Just yeah, Kentucky Derby. Have you guys been it's a total blast. I got to walk the horse out one year. I got to walk out Vino Rosso's. Unbelievable. One of the most insane Viola. Nice. And that is so random. And biz, the horse that he's talking about Rapolo's horse, that he's the noble guy. So you got to, you got to put some money on. Yep. Yep. Oh shit. Okay. I'm all in there. Yep. Yeah. I was hanging out with Minzi recently though. So that might be a mush on him. Oaks Day is way better horn, don't you think? It's both, they're both fun. Like, yeah, I thought you can't go wrong. The party's Friday night, right? So get you a Friday leave Sunday after the races. It's great. Go once. You don't need to go again. I think we can move it over to Colorado because that was probably your your favorite team to play for. Want a cup there. And would you say that that's where like your, that's where your heart's at? Yeah, it's funny. Like, I'll look at my Twitter mentioned sometimes and people are like, you should never do a Colorado game. You're the biggest. Shut up. And then I get mentions from abs fans. You're way for the other team. You got to go for Colorado. You can't keep these people happy man. This is lighting candles for the Leafs on national TV lighting candles. You at least played for the team, won a Stanley Cup for the team. You can do whatever the fuck you want. I got a shlong thong on my fucking face. I'll do whatever for anything. I don't know. You're like this. I don't care who wins. I hope it's a good game. Literally, it's like you want to talk about a good play for the one team, for the other team. I don't give a shit who wins. You just want to see good hockey. But for the abs, I think no surprise they swept LA. But I thought LA played them hard. Like they could have maybe one one or two that could have gone either way. Obviously the abs all played them, but you got to give LA their marks. I thought they hung in there. They're really well. And I mean, if the abs don't go to the Western finals at least, like are you looking at a coaching change there? Personally, I don't think so. But I think people are asking that question. I think Bednar is one of the best coaches in the league, but you know, they've won one playoff series since 2022, right? Now two since they beat LA. So we'll see. I mean, they had the team to do it. I mean, that team's a freak show, right? I mean that and Wedgewood's been unbelievable. Like if you had one question about the abs, it was their goal tending for me. Wedgewood never started a playoff game, but you know, if they have to turn to Blackwood, he can give them good minutes too. So I think you're going to end up using both of those guys. But I mean, I think it's going to you guys did when you won it. France Soles. We had France Soles. He was six Edmonton against the Edmonton. He was six in home. So I tweeted, uh, uh, it was about a month before the playoffs. I said, if you're not questioning Colorado's golden and go under the playoffs, you're crazy. Got to get ahead of this one. I was on Ambien. That one doesn't count. So I was, I was, I was on Ambien the next morning. I was like, Oh man, I was kind of ran. And so people are sending me that tweet. Let's get this out in the open. That was an Ambien tweet. Okay. Second thing, the shift Lekinen had on Panarin in game four. What a absolute dog. Like he cannot and are we over using the term dog? Maybe a little bit. He is one. He's all over the guy. He ends up clearing that pocket. It was just the perfect. So I just wanted to show that out. Third thing. It's the question for you, EJ. I know when you won the cup, you swept Edmonton in the conference finals. You had a little bit of a wait, you had a little bit of a wait. Now they're going to be getting their eight days off. It's great. Guys get more healthy. But in terms of Colorado, I'm sorry, Minnie Dallas going to seven. Do you think it ends up causing anything for terms of rust or what are your thoughts on that? Not for, no, not for me. We swept Nashville in the first round too. And I think we had five or six days off. So like we had that. And those guys, I know those guys, they're not going to be, they're not going to be rusty. The rest is so key for those guys. And I think Manson got nicked up a little bit. So like, that's going to be big for him. And it gives a chance for Wedgewood, Blackwood to practice and get some practice time because the abs, they don't practice all year. I bet you they practice the least amount of any team in NHL. They're so big on rest and recovery. So I think, I think the rest is going to be really good for them. And it gives them a chance to get healthy. I don't, I think Dallas and Minnie are going to beat the shit out of each other. And, you know, it's going to be a tough series for Colorado, but I expected them to go to the Western finals for whoever they play in the second round. I think those teams are going to be so beat up. If they are, if they aren't practicing hard, I would imagine they're still getting on the ice and still working on the power play. They have to. The 9.1% is that they should be really straight up doing. Correct. Love the face off play they had the other night on the power play with a natus locking up lot in there and then McKinnon sliding back door. They're, they're big on set plays. I'm, I would assume off of ozone draw wins, maybe even all over the ice. What would you see as the issue with the power play from the regular season and in like, how, how does a power play with that many weapons struggle the way that it has? It's a good question. And I think for years, everyone's called for the head of the power play coach. And the power play coach only has so much, like it's not just the power play coach. You don't think bednar has any input. You don't think Joe Sakek has any input. You don't think any of these guys put on the power play, like it's not just the power play coach. You shouldn't have five players like that. Don't have a 9%. It's, it's unbelievable. And it's been bad all year. It was good from the Olympic break to the end of the season. And now it's kind of rear its ugly head again, but imagine they get that thing going like, oh, why EJ? What have you seen? What is it? What is it? I think Maccar needs to shoot more from the top. Yes. I agree. I think they, everyone knows they want to go to McKinnon or maybe find whoever in the middle or Cadre on the side. I think Maccar just has to shoot more. And I think, you know, Nate might be in his ear a little bit about not shooting a ton because Nate has a good shot off the flank, but Kale's got to shoot more. Cause once you shoot from the top, as you guys know, everything opens up, every opens up because everyone starts to respect the shot and they know it's coming. And I just think a little bit more simplicity. It's not always the perfect play this time of year. And they know that, but I think Kale needs to shoot more from the top, whether it's one timers, risters, any of it. Yeah. And then that opens up the bumper guy. But they also, but their PK was 80% too against LA. And we talked to Matthew Kachuk and I had mentioned the, you know, with Colorado having a tough power play going right now, but he said, in playoffs and to win a Stanley Cup, you need your PK to do well at 80% right now against the team like LA, probably not where you want it to be. So like the special teams are the big question right now. Yeah. I think, um, what were they number one in the NHL all season long? Uh, the PK was maybe second, but I wouldn't worry about that one either. And, um, yeah, I think their penalty kill, like they have, they have so many guys that they can rotate in and out of there. And I think like having, having burns this year has been huge because Kale doesn't have to play all the penalty kill, right? Like you have to play 27, 28, he can play like 24 or 25 and have Manson burns, even Malinsky kills penalties. So I think having like that depth to give your top players a rest has been so big for those guys. I don't think, I don't worry about their PK one bit at all. All right. Um, I guess we got it before we get to Utah Vegas, biz at least bring up Andrey Copetar. We've talked a lot about him and I think it was, was it Bucci, somebody's saying that if you redid the draft that was Crosby's draft, he goes second overall and the career, and I just want to shout them out. I mean, he's given the waves after it sucks to go out with a sweep, did the press conference with his kids, which I think is the big reason why he's ready to be done and be around his family more. But what an unbelievable player and person. And just the fact that they ended up getting in this year, kind of for him and they were able to at least get him four more playoff games. It sucks with the sweep, but we want to shout him out as that series ends. Yeah, we've talked about him quite a bit here. The, the, the, you know, the second half of the season, just kind of pumping his tires to what he brought to his team, the franchise, the league and how he's handled himself. Ej, you probably played a lot against him. Like took for a guy to be as good and competitive as he was. And to also be like a lady bing winger winner. Excuse me. It's a kind of like an anomaly, how well and how hard he played to, to have done it with such class and grace. Yeah. And I think about Kopey is he could keep playing. Like he's that good, right? Like just done to spend more time with his family. It's, it's unreal what some of these guys are doing at this stage that occur. What is Kopey 39? Maybe almost 40, but whatever it is, I mean, he could keep going and be effective. And it's, I just, I think I have so much respect for these guys who can keep playing this well late into their career. And you mentioned Duchenne earlier with like, he's the guy that has gotten better as he's gotten older almost too. And you don't see that too often nowadays. So I think he always just handled himself with class. Kopeitar did, right? Like he was just a great ambassador for the game. He played in LA. So like the East Coast people maybe didn't see him that much, but he was right up there with a Bergeron type as far as how he played. Like he was kind of the West Coast Bergeron, in my opinion, 300 more career points than Bergeron 92 point year. Just crazy, crazy. I know. Bizz, you got, you got the look on, you called the mammoth. I think you've done every one of their games in this series, maybe three of the three of them. No, I know the first two, the first two, I think, I think we're on ESPN, but it was, no, just watched them and was dialed into them. I thought, I thought game one, obviously the Cooley line for Utah was their best line. I thought that, you know, Kells and Schmaltzy definitely needed to get their feet wet and dive into the series. They were way better in game three. That was an unbelievable goal-tending performance, especially in the first half of the game by, by veggie. And he's been great the whole series. And like, I think they were pepper in a bubble 15 to five and shots and it was two nothing for the Utah mammoth. The first goal from Weeger, probably one that, probably one he wants back Carter Hart, right? It ends up hitting them kind of right in that mask and then it hits them in the stick and it's almost like an own goal. I thought it was a bad bounce on that one kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Still one that, I mean, it hits you right in the middle of the chest or like the helmet, you should have it. Tough, tough bounce for sure. And it, I mean, Weeger gets all alone because that weak side winger had dropped down in the slot area. So it kind of left him open. So I actually thought it was, I think it was Liam O'Brien where he was in the slot and then boom, all of a sudden it just pops out and Weeger gets to step into one. The second goal, I'm trying to remember, oh, Gunther again, Gunther score 50. He's a still in Gunther is just as lethal from that spot as Alexander Ovechka. If you leave him all alone at the top, this, this, this, what do you mean? What's talking about the greatest goal score of all time? That's fine. When he gets 60, you can't say I'll agree with you. I, it's like Stam Koso Vetskin. You think he could get there? You're saying right now, I'm saying he's just as lethal. If you give him a one timer there as Alexander Ovechkin, he's, I think he's automatic from that spot right there in game eight and game two, he gets the backhand cross ice from Yamamoto. He literally flicks his wrist and it's fucking top pity down. It's the best release in hockey right now. Thank you. Best release in my opinion. Take it over. Gole's hated this guy because he would get on the flank like Sam Erson when I played with him in Philly. He's Gunther torched him for maybe two one night and Erson's like, man, my angle was perfect. Like, I don't know how he gets this shot off so quick. Like this guy's a total stud. Utah reminds me of the abs like six years ago, how fast they play. Like they're going to be a problem for a long time and they always give Colorado a really tough game. So I'm going to be interested to see if Utah can get to the Western finals, they end up playing Colorado. Like that's, that's going to be the fastest series ever. Well, the craziest part about this is if Anaheim wins and Utah wins, one of those teams is going to the conference finals. Crazy. And think about how fast that happened. We knew they were coming, but we didn't know they were coming this quick and going back to that game three. I'm interested to see how this story develops with, with Aiden Hill and Carter Hart. If Carter Hart has another tough start to this game, are they going to go to Aiden Hill? I feel like they've wrote in Aiden Hill off. I agree. The fact that they didn't go, go to him in that game at any point, this guy won a fucking Stanley cup for the Vegas golden nights. He was unreal in that cup run and he stood on his head in some moments. I mean, we were, we were there live in attendance when they played against Florida and he was fucking incredible. So I don't know what is going on there, but going back to that, that game three, I don't think tourney gets enough credit as a coach. He is probably the least paid of any head coach in the NHL. I think his job was in question at, at certain points. It was, it was. And they, they, I don't think Clayton Keller has taken a, a face off. He was 38% during the regular season. I don't even know if he's taken one face off so far in this series. So they have, they're up to nothing and they have a D zone draw and they throw their fourth line center out Stenland with the top line of Kraus and Schmaltz. Remember when we used to have Boyd Gordon on our team, the repair man, the offensive zone draw, Gordo get out there, win the draw and get off and we're going to get the fuck off the ice and then you're throwing that sentiment who's supposed to be there. Well, what does Stenland do? He snaps it back. They go up strong side, a beautiful job through the neutral zone. Krauser kicks it out to Schmaltz and then boom, it's right in the back of the net off a tip going to the net. And as that pucks going in the net, Keller stepping on the ice and the repair man's going off. So that to me, great coaching, great execution. That puts the game out of reach at three, nothing and sure enough, Kells and Schmaltz see that line ends up connecting again for Krauser second of the night and to make it four nothing. And after that, it was pretty much game over, boy. So credit to the first ever playoff win at home in the Delta center to the Utah mammoth. And they have a big opportunity because like you said, EJ, this is a fast team. And when you have those first top two lines going man and veggies kicking, they are going to be very, very difficult to beat even if you're the Vegas Golden Knights. I totally agree with you about Andre Terigny. I had him as a, he was a, our deep coach in Colorado for three years with Patrick Waugh. And we always said this guy will be a head coach one day if he can figure out the English language. That'll help it. His English was very poor at the time. It got better over time, but we had a tough time understanding them. And we just said when he gets more comfortable with the language, he's going to be an unbelievable head coach. You can hear this guy on the ice when you're playing literally yelling commands on the penalty kill, like pressure, pressure, hold, hold. It was, it was unbelievable. I never had a coach that you can hear that clear in an NHL game, but he, he, um, he did a lot for my career too personally, just pushing me in different areas to get better. And he, he's a really good coach, like a really, really good coach. So I'm happy to see him have some success there. And I think Torts is going to stick with heart. That's kind of his guy from Philly. He had heart and Philly. So I don't think they're going to go to hell. No way. I was just going to ask you, Bisley, did you want Hill to start game three? He was good in game two. No, he said if he struggles early, I thought you said who was who was good in game two? Hard. Yeah. How was he in game three? Yeah. So you're saying you want Hill to start game four? I don't know, man, but you're acting like he's a career backup. He won a fucking Stanley cup as a starter. What the fuck has heart done? Yeah, I think Hill was overall pretty brutal this year and heart's been pretty good. Heart, heart, heart didn't play half the fucking year. Yeah, I'm talking since Torts came. He was awesome. How was he last game? Okay. He had won bad games. So you're pulling the goalie. I, I, I, I, I'm saying it's crazy that he got lit up for fucking four and he's still between the pipes when you have a fucking Stanley cup winning starter as a backup. Okay. So you're saying they should have pulled them in that game. I'm saying that I think there's something going on there and the fact that they didn't. Okay. Now I'll say this about Vegas. I'm not panicked if I'm them. No, I mean, dude, like they're, they're neither now they, the way they like dominated at least a shot clock in that game. It's more, it's more a question of like, I see hurdle right now and I see Dora Fee of Dora Fee of in the playoff. Dude, this guy's like a 35 goal score in the regular season. It seems he shies away from any physical contact in the playoffs. Hurdle hasn't scored in I think 24 games. They broke up Stone, Eichel and what was it? Yeah. Cause now Eichel's with Stone and Barbershev, Marner's with Howden and Dora Fee of Hurdle's with Riley Smith and then Blutman, our guy, our Vegas guy doesn't understand why Colasar stays on that third line. So there are questions, but in terms of the way game three went, I don't think there's panic for Vegas. Put it this way, the Oilers are in a way worse spot than Vegas is in my mind. Utah is faster, but I still think Vegas is a great chance of winning game four and tying this up. That's kind of my thought in terms of not panicking. I'll say this. If Tor, if there was a goalie in that that Torz didn't like, if he would have had to start to the game that, that Carter Harhat in game three, he would have been getting the hook in no time. So I'm saying, yeah, it's his guy from Philly and that's fine. But I feel like there's something going on where there's like literally no trust in Aiden Hill. And I don't think that that's fair in a sense of he's will accomplish way more in his career than Carter Harhat has. Do you, do you think Vegas kind of overlooked Utah here in this series? Cause it kind of looks like the last two games. I don't know about that. And on the hill thing, I think he had the worst five on five save percentage of any goalie in the NHL this year. Like I don't think there's any trust there. Right? Like, yeah, it's great. He won a cup and like that's great then, but what have you done for me now? You know, like, I don't think they can go to him. Like they had, they were like top five in the NHL and every metric accepts five on five save percentage. Yeah. Some of that's on your team in front of you. I don't think they can go to Hill. I just think they got to ride it out with heart. I don't think I'm totally okay with them going back to heart in game four, but I'm saying if it's a same similar start to game three and two goals go in and all of a sudden it's like, no, we're not seeing him put his stuff on. I'm saying, okay, like this guy literally hates his guts. Yeah. Yeah. I'll agree. I'll agree with that. And it's funny. So Marner gets out of, uh, gets out of Toronto and obviously the, the, the, the, the attention and the pressure is totally different. He doesn't have a goal yet. I thought that he would light it up this playoffs. I think I said in this series preview, I think he's going to explode and just being out there and how different it feels. And he doesn't have a goal. So it's like, they signed them to this huge ticket. They need the guy to score. Stone performs every playoff, right? Can Marner perform? This is a huge game for Vegas. And obviously this series, I think they've had, is this their second two day off? They've had, they've had two days off between, I'm all about the two days off EJ because Edmonton hasn't had it once. But I don't know. I don't know what you think happens in game four. If you, anyone want to, want to give a take or a preview? I think that Vegas is fine. I think they'll, they'll figure it out and regroup. I think this is going to be a long series, but, and I, and I don't think that they overlooked Utah. I just think that when Utah, when they got everybody going, including goal-tenning, they're a very, very, very good team. Oh yeah. And, and Logan Cooley has surpassed my expectations on how much of a, I know we keep throwing the word bumper and dog around, but he's been a dog bumper. He's been a dog bumper. Yeah. He's dog bumping. He's dog bumping. All right, EJ buddy, we appreciate it so much. You're, you're crushing it. So we'll see you next. When? Uh, it's maybe game seven for Dallas mini, not for sure. That's TBD. And then if not, second round. Okay. All right. Well, congrats on everything. Congrats on playing Augusta. That's the coolest thing. Forget the in-between the benches and the Stanley cup playoffs. You're a legend buddy. And thanks guys. Appreciate your time. We'll talk to you soon. All right guys. Thanks guys. Take care. Man, missile. Yeah. Man, missile. Okay. So we still have our aid come on. Correct. All right. He, I think he's just going to be venting about the bees. We're just, this is a therapy session. Okay. He can, he can gloat about the ducks. Very true. Very true. I have been crushing water. So bring in RA. Well, I P already needs a few minutes here. I need a few minutes. I'll keep everybody entertained. Go ahead. Whit, I won't leave you hanging buddy. I won't leave you hanging. How the hell is already not ready? What am I missing here? I, I think he's still getting back from the night. That's on me. I didn't send him the link. X. I didn't want to come in and distract the EJ interview. No problem. No worries. We can, we can, hey, listen, this is good. We should be able to do this. You know what we should do? I'm on tilt. I'm on tilt. This is as down as I've ever been. I know I'm down bad. It's, it's, it's one thing to, to be, and now I said on pardon my take, like it's man in the arena type shit. I'm going to give takes forever. As long as I'm doing this, I'm going to get takes and you're always going to miss. And if you bat three, 300, you're, you're a hallfamer, but I'll tell you right now, I'm, I feel, I feel small. I feel little. I feel like a failure and it's tough getting beat up nonstop on the old worldwide web. Buddy, listen, everybody goes through it. I was getting roasted after the Leafs got beat six, one, six, one games, five and seven last year. I felt like a complete loser. I still am a complete loser, but before we bring an RA, I think that we should just, even the people at home listening, if you're in your car, let's just take a few deep breaths. I need a very, been a very stressful playoff. So we're going to do a little box breeding. Okay. We're going to go four on the way in, hold for four, four on the way out, hold for four. All right. Let's do this together. All right. Four on the way in. All right. Come on in. Let's bring him in. That was enough for me. Thanks. Hello, everybody. Welcome to our RA's World Hair and these spitting chicklets podcast. What's going on gentlemen? Another awesome weekend of NHL playoffs. Before he gets on the Pucks biz, I know you mentioned the, yeah, quack, quack. I got my bucket right here. You were talking about that rabble thing earlier, biz. Did you hear actually who took those photos? I know you mentioned the possible private investigator or paparazzo. It was, I have no idea. It was another couple staying at the resort. Like they recognized them. And so they didn't know them. They weren't working for anybody. They just took pictures, sold them to the post for under, for four figures. So even if they got $9,900 after taxes, basically these people, you know, a fuck cheaters, but like these people like nuked those other people's lives for like $3,000, which is like basically what that place costs per night. So they basically probably got a free weekend just by fucking nuking, rabble and fucking receding. So assuming that they knew who rabble was and the fact that maybe he wasn't with his wife or just being like sending it to people, being like, Oh, look, I saw a rabble at Sedona. And then next thing you know, they're like, Oh, like who's the girl he's with? It's like, Oh, that's not his wife. They probably knew it was her. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure if they recognize rabble, I think that couple is about to get sued to RA because that hotel has a pretty strict no photography policy. It's like one of those hotels you go to. Yeah, you can't take pictures. Yeah, no, that's bullshit. So don't as one of those types of places where it's very private, like you're going there to like get off grid and fly under the radar. That is, yeah, all of it sucks RA not like her since we're into it, her tweets and all of it was just one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. The fact that like, if I was having an affair with a woman and I ended up having a kid with my current wife, the last name on the planet I would name my daughter is the woman that I'm having the affair with name that is just like lunatic. This might go out of shitty Cindy right here. That's coming from a guy with a fang shlong on. That's coming from a guy with a fucking cock on his face. We'll go to a worse topic and that would be the Boston Bruins effort yesterday. I mean, particularly at the first period, I mean, I've watched every playoff game in that building whether in person or on television. I can't think of a worse game. I mean, obviously, there were traumatic games, game seven, 2019, game six, and 2013, of course, but just that first period, it was just a woeful effort. I mean, sloppy. I never saw them just so outperformed like that. I mean, they were not ready for prime time and credit to Buffalo. They couldn't get in the zone. They could barely get out of their own zone. Buffalo took full advantage, but it was ugly, man. And the Bruins fans, they want to revolt now. They act like we were like, you know, two to one Stanley Cup favorites. It was ugly and, you know, the game collectively was ugly, but they were a little bit better than the second period. I know they had a couple of clankers, but it was just a horrific loss. And, you know, I think, you know, it's a learning experience. I know people like, oh, blow it up, trade this one, trade that one. It's like, if you want to fucking trade Swamin' after that game, you shouldn't want to talk to you. You're an absolute moron. I had said to Biz, I did a space after the first, said you should do one. And I was like, you know, Swamin' gives up a fifth poem. And I don't know why they waited for a six, but just ugly all around. What's going on, buddy? What do you have on this one for us? Oh, yeah, it was just pathetic. Truly pathetic. Ryder had a baseball game, so I'm coaching that. It started at one. It went to, I had to leave actually at like 225 to catch my flight to here in Chicago. So I quickly, I'm like, all right, I'm probably 10 minutes in. It was three, nothing. I, I, I, I was, I, I gasped. I said, there's just no chance. It's three, nothing already. And then I see the goals and we mentioned already, I mean, we're talking 15 foot set breakout passes that they couldn't just completely not ready to play. My question to you is your opinion on Swamin' given it to the bench. Did you not mind it? Loved it. I absolutely loved it. He did get hung out to dry. It was a woeful effort. And I know, you know, goalie's, well, can't be captains or they aren't captains. And, but like that was like, I thought that was captain like behavior. And I know you guys said, you know, keep it in the locker room. But I know, I mean, we see Nate Doug do it on the bench to his, his teammates once in a while, just because he's a goalie doesn't mean he can't snap out. I mean, obviously the coach was fine with it. Sturm thought it was okay that he did it. And even Chucky Max quote off the game, man, man to man in here, if we're not fucking embarrassed by what just happened, then I don't know what to say. And, you know, I think that quote combined with what we saw from Swamin' kind of go hand in hand. A little love to people. All right. All right. I think you're on the same page as me here, though, too, where like, you know what, if the Bruins lose in the next game, they lose in five, yeah, it sucks. But I'm really not that mad because we were talking last night, like, this is all gravy. This season here, no one expected the Boston Bruins to be in this place. They were plus 10,000, I believe, to win the division at the beginning of the season. No one saw this coming that they'd be in the playoffs. So the fact that they're even here and in this rebuild that we were talking about 365 days ago is a lot is sped up a lot faster than we originally expected. Yeah, it's on the on the fly fix all house money right now. And honestly, like, that's an awful game to play. Like, I think those are like learning learning experiences that help, you know, young guys laid it down the line and, you know, and people like, Oh, they should have traded the deadline. They only had two fucking pending UFAs on the team. I've been sitting and I believe might be peak. So it's not like, you know, they had a bunch of guys like that were going to be leaving at the end of the year, like, like last year, it's like, okay, well, what would you real realistically got for a motherfucking six rounds? Maybe it's a four. It wasn't it wasn't even worth doing anything. I think, like I said, they just they had what they had. Let's see what happens with a boys. And, you know, we've been saying that from the jump. I mean, but it was still ugly, not the type of stuff you want to see. But all right, you got you got a little good news coming your way in that. And oh, God, what I love to see Buffalo bury you guys in Buffalo game five to move on. But Merles and I are there. And that's a sign that could be a tough sign for saving not a chance you guys are closing that fucker out. Wow, you believe in me. I believe in you, buddy. Absolutely. There's no not even you can mush the blade gang. But I'm with Merles. I'm with more double mush, double mush, negative equals a positive positive. Yeah, we're math guys. What are they what like, without saying Swamin needs to steal it? How do they beat them game five? I that's that's the problem. There isn't really a code. It's coaching right now. Like G like we talked about last night, you know, as good as a year's Sturm had, Lindy rough has 24 more years experiences they had coached them. This is rough 2050 or it's terms first. And just watching the Bruins like I said, trying to get out of their own zone was ugly. But it was like, fuck it basically, the same as had like, you know, the Great Wall of China with the blue line that the Brognes just couldn't barely get any penetration, a little bit in the second period. So they got to do some adjustments. You know, I've never been an exes and those guys, as you know, but, you know, they have to change. I don't maybe mix the personnel lines up a bit more, but more so figuring out just how to, you know, break through with Buffalo Stifle. And of course, once they get the lead, you know, they didn't have to sit on it. They just basically, like I said, but I look like they were putting four guys at the blue line sometimes and the Bruins could break through. So they need to do something strategic and to, you know, get a much better on the four track. They've been outshot all four games 30 to 20, 35, 27, 30 to 25, 35, 24, they haven't even gotten 30 shots on goal in one of these games yet. So they got to do something. I think the I think the coach scapegoating is like a little bit much. I agree with you, Bizz. I think I've never, I've never, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I've never been like, Oh, outcoach completely. The players play the games, boys. Is either one snapping fucking 20 foot passes off the tape, like on easy zone entries or not to call you know, what is done? What is rough done to outcoach him? That's what I never get. Well, I got like, basically, Buffalo stifling the Bruins. They can't get in the zone. So to me, that's like, okay, the whatever system and again, I'm not fucking not familiar with that. I was a street hockey guy. But whatever they're doing, it's a coaching strategy. So like, Sturm isn't able to figure that out, apparently, at least from very rudimentary way to put it. But, you know, the Bruins can't get entry into the zone. So to me, it's like, all right, whatever Buffalo is doing, the Bruins need to change what they're doing. So the fact that, again, the being outshot, they're not getting great possession in there in the offensive zone. So yeah, to me, I think that ultimately goes down to coaching at the end of the day. Yeah, efforts are huge, but but yeah, to me, that's an X is an O thing. And, you know, Lindsey's X is a doing better than Sturm's O right now. So where I disagree is only that I look at Buffalo is more skilled. They're faster. Yeah. And they have better defensemen. Where overall, that it's like, this is a straight up personnel mismatch. So I but I'm not saying, buddy, you you are not alone in saying like, oh, coach, it gets mentioned a lot in all different playoff series. I think I've always just kind of been like, oh, that team is better than that team. Obviously, there's times when you have masterclass coaching examples. But for Buffalo, Boston, I just am not looking at this like, oh, man, Sturm is overmatched. I'm like, the team is overmatched. Yeah, true that. I think you've got to get Lin Holm off Pasta's line, too. He's clearly hurt. He's slowing him down. They moved him off the power play like pasta was playing with Minton and Coos Nadine off at the end of the season. I get there under 23 years old. I get you don't want to throw them into the fire, but he needs to play with someone a little bit fast. Like just Lin Holm. Okay, that's a coach. Minton had the pizza to start things off on the reverse. He did. Game three. He did. He did. He did. I agree. He did. He made that one mistake. But I think overall in this series, Minton's been pretty good. And I he's been much better than Lin Holm to say the least. Yeah. One last Buffalo note. Some lady tweeted the other day, she was sitting there where her husband wouldn't get ready for the game and the door opened and some guy walks in and they're like, can we help you? And he's like, is this Steve's party? They're like, no, Steve's three doors down. He's like, okay. And he fucking reaches his goal and gives them shots. And they all did a shot together like total fucking strangers. Like, I don't know if they were doing pinkies up, but that's just like a quintessential Buffalo story. But we got to give props to our boy Coop. Cooper now has 90 wins with Tampa Bay in the playoffs. Passes Glenn Seder for the second most career playoff wins by a head coach with a single NHL franchise. He also enters the top 10 in NHL history for playoff wins by a coach. So shout out to our pal Coop. And what a series that's been born. All right. Sorry. Who's number one for what with one team? It's got to be Bowman, right? With Montreal. Yeah. You know what I did? Al Arbor. I don't know, but I was wondering if we have that. It might actually be Al Arbor because Bowman was with Detroit and Montreal like for those stretches of time. And Pittsburgh. Yeah. Well, one franchise. But would only be one franchise. Actually, it's a good question because Montreal won four in a row. And then you know what? It's probably, it's got to be, you know what? Because when Montreal would four in a row, they will let you play off games. And then when the island is the one they were in my playoff game. So shout out to you. Good stuff. Yeah. But that that's there. What was it? 19 straight series victories? That'll never be beat again. And you know, I think, I think, you know, who's either second or third, like as winning consecutive playoff series, Pat, the big rig, Pat Maroon. It's like team, team, and then Maroon. He's like, I believe number three in most consecutive series one. Yeah. He's probably at 13, right? 13 or 14? I'm not sure that number off the top, the top, but he's definitely like in the top three of most consecutive series. He went four, eight, 12, and then they lost in the, what happened after, he lost in the finals, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. The 15. Yeah. Good, good stuff there. I'm glad to have Minnie and Dallas. We're getting six games there. This has been an awesome series, no surprise there. Two one goal games, both went to OT game two had an empty net goal. So that was essentially a one goal game. Curls get six points of four games. I know you talked about boldly early, but what he's doing, man, talk about just raising his game on the big stage like this. It's been great stuff. And we got to give up. So going to Carille, like obviously like game one, like everybody was good for Minnie, like they fucking dusted them. Obviously, I think he had two assists last game, did get an assist on the winner. Like, you know, hey, help win a puck battle down low, low to high. I think we can agree on like the, even though he has six points, not as like vis, visibly dominant, right? Like the regular season, like boldly, it's like, Oh, it's visible. He's taking over shifts. He's having solo individual efforts, just would expect maybe a little bit more of that from Carille. I think though of Zook is like 90% when he comes back. I think them too, if they get put together, I think that that could help Caprice off, get going again. Yeah, I agree. That could really get him going again, which could be dangerous. No hints is still like, dude, that I think he's done the whole series. Yeah, it has to be at this point, I would think right. And who knows even the next round, dude, based on what they've talked about in him. I mean, they ruled them out of game four, like going into game two. So, and I believe hints was injured a little bit last year as well, like miss some games in the run. And kind of going back to Copa, I know we've been jumping around a lot this pot is like the best, what is it? The best ability is availability. Yeah. Copa tar was always available. That's what made him as special as he was as a player. He was never hurt. He was always there to be relied upon. I don't know if he was battling through stuff or he just didn't get injured because if you look at his ankles and his bot, he is like, he's built like DeLaurier, but he moves like fucking putty moves like Logan Cooley, like that type of guy. But he is just he was he was a force that was always available. Well, also to a shout out now, 35 year old Matt Nushain, he's having a hell of a series as well. Turn around five assists, seven points at four games. Great to see an old guy getting it done like that. We got a shadow of veggie Vimalca the other night. I mean, what was it Vegas 32 shots, he made 30 saves. Utah only had 12 shots that game, four goals on 12 shots. They held on not for their life, but you know, Vegas got a couple late. But that series, I mean, they could take a 3-1 lead. That's pretty wild. I don't think a lot of people saw that coming. And again, that's another tight series. We've, you know, two one goal games. I'm sorry, a one goal game, an empty net game, and you know, 4-2 the other night, I think that's been entertaining as hell. Got to give Freddie Anderson his props. I know you guys briefly mentioned the Barrelia 4-0, 1.10 goals against a 955 save percentage, one shout out, just five goals against of that entire series. But you know, for a sweep, a very competitive series, you know, I don't lost two nothing, 3-2 and double OT, two to one, and then 4-2 with, you know, with an empty net goal. So just five goals they scored. And I know, you know, this is probably the cap and obvious, but I'd be shocked to shit if Brady Kachuk is wearing a Senate uniform come September, October, just, it just seems like... Where do you think he ends up? All right. You know what? There's too many, too many places done. I think, what do I want down to one, I would imagine, you know, a big pocket American team, you know, but he does have two years left. I want to say about 8.2 million at his cap. So it's not like, like his brother, you know, had one year left. And hey, I'm not signing after this year with two years. It's obviously a different scenario. But yeah, it just seems like sort of one of these relationships that might, might be coming to the end and might be mutually beneficial for both sides. But obviously Ottawa, you know, they don't have to do anything. They don't have to, the trade them. They could sit around and wait for the proper deal. But, you know, a power 4-2 average is, you know, you know, what is it? 0.80 points per game. You know, a tough guy like that. Obviously, I think teams will be lining up to get them. But yeah, it feels like it might be over on that one. And, and they had his picture next to Boston. They had his picture on the I was like, Oh, that'd be a nice sight. What's up, Jans? No, I was just going to say, like a lot of it too could be these teams that lose like if Minnesota loses, they're going to have to retool, get better. Like they could go if Dallas loses, they go, I'll get better. Need a guy like him. Florida obviously didn't make playoffs. They're looking to retool, bring in guys. So I think there's going to be a ton of teams that want him, even though Aves wouldn't think so. But it's like the fact that you could add him to your team next year, if you're a team that's on the cusp is going to be going to be huge. We didn't even mention kill McCarmuch. Wiggle Dick Shakira hips as I'm calling them now. Just going across the great tweet. Just fucking give me one of these across the blue lines. If I was a head coach of a team or playing against him, I would tell my forwards if you run out at him, I'm going to murder your family. Yeah. Name is Quinn. Don't just stay off him a little. Stay eight feet to 10 feet away from him and just keep him in front of you. And the minute that he starts moving towards your net, just turn around and skate back. Like it's fucking, you saw that guy yesterday. It was a Taylor, right? Yeah. Yeah. Rookie. Oh, dude, there was a little pick play there. And then he's like, I got to get out. And it's like, Oh man, don't do it. And then Kale's just licking his chops, blows by him. And how about my car? Like the minute that he's got a step on him, he just takes his, he takes his ice inside. So now you can't even get to his stick because he's a righty, right? And he sips that puck. These goalies are holding their gloves like this now. And he throws it right at his elbow. So you can't, it's hard for them to come down in real time where it's more comfortable to go up. He knows exactly where he's going with that puck. That guy for solo individual efforts at the blue, you can't tell me this guy's not the best defenseman in the world. It's a joy and biz. Like when he puts his body into you, there's a 50% chance you could take a penalty on him because he's getting inside. You either got to hold them to not, the announcers last night were like, if he beat you like that, you got to take him down and take a penalty because he's either scoring or you're going on the power play. I would have just skated through the tunnel. I would have just got out of voice. That was Taylor. Ward's first playoff game. And he's like, Oh my God, no, no, no. And you know, right away, as a player, you know the second, the split second you're beat. And then when it's a guy like him, you're like, I'm, this is going to end up so ugly and so bad. And the fact is that it looked like he might have recovered and maybe most D he did recover. Nope. No chance. You know, he's going to be at the bar this summer showing girls. This was me here getting burnt. Getting toasted in his group chat by his boys. He was listening to this whole podcast like, Oh, fucking rice. They didn't talk about it. Last five minutes in our race world. But we're also saying, we're also saying like, buddy, you're one of a million. This is not the badge of honor to be ashamed about. Well, well, like, like the senators, I mean, the Kings, I thought they were, I know, I picked them in seven. It was sort of my one upset pick on the first round, but I thought they were, it's definitely game four. They were in every game. I mean, they were very competitive, just, you know, outman too much skill. Forsberg was terrific. I mean, yesterday he had a tough game in the game four, but Wedgewood 4-0 with 1-2-1 goals against 9-5-0, say, percentage. He kind of, probably, you know, definitely quieted some critics right now. And I know you guys talked about Kobe, Taroya, but I just want to like just to, I love like the handshake line when it's a last guy's, you know, going time going through that, you know, him and Burnsey, they competed, God knows how many times against each other. That's just real special shit. But while it's that, you know, he actually only got out of the first round three separate times in his career, like 12, 13, 14, but you win two cups. It's not the shabbiest thing in the middle time they went to the Western Conference finals there. And also the Kings, since the new TV deal, the last couple years, the Kings are the first and only team to make the playoffs all five seasons under the current TV deal and never have won a series. Just kind of a weird little statistical anomaly right there, too. And who would have thought a Ducks defenseman leading the playoffs scoring, what, Jacks are Lacombe, eight points in four games, Brandon Hagel at goals, he's got six, Lacombe leading with seven assists as well. But want to give a shout out to our pal Kenny Albert, like name drop Keith. He has the most national broadcasts of all time here in the States. Saturday was his 1,545th call passing the legend Dick Stockton through all four major sports, but that's awesome to do all four sports like that, you know, to be able to do it at that level. Awesome stuff. Keith, I know you asked if, all right, Hamilton last week, so we'll do a couple flyer right here. Shout out to Kenny Albert, boys, that guy's a machine. Yeah, workhorse. Machine. Unreal guy, too. All the travel, all the travels guys do, too, and the preparation man hats off to him and all the other folks doing that. All right, this one is from SkyGud 2000. All right, Hamilton, this is for everyone except Biz, since we know his answer. If you could go back in time and be a spectator on the set of any movie, which one would it be? What would you do with? Wow, cool question. That is a cool question. So I love Braveheart and I think just like being around like those battle scenes. Unbelievable answer. Those fields, I think, and then being around like, because there's so much outdoors in it and the way they film the battle scenes for me, if you're just standing where the director is and where the cameraman are, I think that'd be my pick. I actually wouldn't say there will be blood. I would have a different answer. Mine would be Gladiator. Well, what was biz? Gladiator is good one. Mine is also a war movie. I would take Ben Hur. Wow. Just because I'm interested to how they made movies back then. Like it's just like, it was a way different era where there was no CGI. There was none of that. Yeah, everything was practical effects. Very much so in that era. Plus you'd be taking down extras in their big bushes every day. What a mature answer, Biz. Like Save and Prime Ryan. Save and Prime Ryan, the beach on Normandy. That is, or was it Omaha, RA? Yes, Omaha Beach for Save and Prime Ryan. Gee, that would be sick. Gee, what do you got for us, bro? I see you sitting there. I would say Wolf Wall Street. I would say Wolf Wall Street just because I actually heard when they were filming that it was just they weren't doing actual blow and doing like I heard it was a crazy party though and it was nuts. And Margot Robbie, I think Margot Robbie in that movie is like the hottest girl of all time. So I'd love to be on set for that. All right, I'm going to go Caddy Shack. Oh, great answer. There's actually a book I saw at Chris, the Shawlite. It's a book. Probably the last one I read and I read it in about three days to make it a Caddy Shack. I mean, as you expect, in the late 70s, Bill Murray and Chevy Chase, like enough said there, they basically, they had it in the budget. There was drugs. They didn't have it listed on the budget. There's drugs they euphemized or something else, but they literally had it in the budget to buy like, you know, whatever drugs they needed, obviously weed, coke, whatever. And the only dude who didn't touch one thing the entire like, I don't know, month or whatever, they filmed it down in Florida was Ted Knight, you know, the fucking judge smells like their upside guy with the white here. No way. He was not a drug user. He was incredible in it. I've played, you'll get nothing unlike it. I've played the course. It was filmed that it's grand oats. Yeah, great. It's actually pretty sick. Yeah, cool track. But it's a bottom surprise. No one said, um, flap shot. Oh, great call. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's a no shit. Probably I said that probably because I read that if you're if you were behind the camera in the locker room, that would have been even just like, I'm sure they brought in, I'm sure they brought in like a bunch of minor league guys and NHL guy or whoever to like show them exactly how locker rooms and shit where I bet it was at blast Bruce Boudreau. He's in it. Yeah. Yeah. His his apartment, Reggie Dunlop's apartment was Bruce, Bruce Boudreau's actual apartment because they needed a dumpy apartment apparently. That's what they said when they talked about it. So yeah, pretty good stuff. Yeah. Let's see. Got one more for you. We'll wrap it up here. Did you have any other answers already? Like as backup? Yeah. Animal house and revenge of the nerds because they basically would just, you know, snakes on a plane. You're like, no, you're a guy. No, Animal House and revenge of the nerds because they basically, it was like potty central because they filmed the Animal House. I believe it was the University of Oregon and then revenge of the nerds was Arizona University. And again, this is the late 70s, the late 80s, like dudes would just got down the whole cast, the crew would be out all night, show up to the set on like an hour or two of sleep and just get get at it once again. Like it was just like, you know, a two month long potty. Obviously, those are hilarious movies too. But oh, you did. You did mention Boogie Nights a few minutes ago. There's actually a great read, an oral history, I think, I don't know, Grant Land did it years ago when they were filming Boogie Nights biz, you know, Mark Wahlberg, but my Mac, he wasn't much of an established actor yet. And meanwhile, he's going with John C Riley and Julianne Morent, Bert Reynolds, all these legends of stage and screen. So Paul Thomas Henderson like deliberately kept him like away from the other people on set. So it would increase his like feelings of isolation, you know, becoming into this new world. And I mean, you know, obviously, see the movie Mackie Mack, this is by far his best role ever. So yeah, the director like delivered like as in like to make him kind of like that innocent, naive character, you know, just come into it, just more so like that, you know, he wouldn't be he wouldn't get to like maybe from a or a chummy with his co stars. But you know, because he was he was a newbie in the, you know, in the movie, he was coming into this new industry. So yeah, he deliberately kept them from, you know, from his co stars early on to like sort of feed the role. And I mean, sometimes, you know, direct, crazy tricks. So yeah, I thought you liked that. Paul Thomas, Anderson's a genius. I love that guy. Yeah, absolutely. Brilliant director. Hey, have you watched one battle after another yet? I haven't yet. I will. I will. That's a problem. I just got to get to about 15 more. There will be blood watches in. And then I'm really happy I watched the Godfather. I have to now watch Godfather two for the fall. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Which is apparently better than Godfather one. I like it more. Yeah, both incredible. Yeah, they go flashback to when the Godfather was like 20 years old. That that's a prequel. It in Godfather two, they go back and forth between when what what's Marlon Brando? Yeah, it's old and comes into power. And then back to when right now Michael Corleone said, pal, it's I like it better. Yeah, I think you should watch it today after you relax to wind down. I'm gonna smoke a J and do that. That's awesome. Yeah, I want one last one here. This is good one. This is from B. McCockner NY Ranges fan. If you were in a saw like real life in a cock and no, not that no, not not that one that's been on Twitter forever. This is another dude here. Anyways, if you were in a saw like real life scenario, would you be able to saw off your own arm or leg to save yourself? This is right. I don't think you I don't think you like mentally can. It's very difficult. Although there was a story about a guy who I believe he got caught when he was rock climbing. 127 hours. Yeah. Yeah. And he had to maybe it was his leg. He had amputated or one of his arms that he did to himself. Would I personally like yeah, I think obviously mentally if it's life or death, you just have to kind of grind through it. I would love to think that like for my kid, like my kids, I would yeah, I would do it. I mean, easier said than done. Maybe the all time easier said than done. Couldn't even get wet and he has a block of shot. I've lived a good, good enough life. I'm good. Gee, what about you? Would you be able to pull that off? You can just pull his arm off. He wouldn't even have to cut it. It wouldn't take much to the hospital. It wouldn't take much. I think three or four saws in my wrist would be snapped. So yeah, I think I risked. Yeah, probably like I could do probably the same situation. Yeah, you couldn't do the arm. But yeah, no problem. Taking some scissors to your wrist. Oh, I did see that movie too. I remember when he was with the you know, based on the true story like business mentioned when he actually is cutting it. And like it's obviously not real. It's a fucking movie. But when he gets his like, I never got the like worst like chills, goosebumps awful feeling like when he cuts through was like tendon because you just can imagine like how fucking awful that must have felt. But you know, it's quite the testament that what you know, what the human body will do. I'll tell you what, if Buffalo loses game five, there might be a Sabres fan trying to cut my arm off. So I, I, well, I don't know. Well, boys, I know it's been a long one for you guys today. Playoffs, you know, rolling along, everything's been awesome so far. So hopefully give you a little energy boost for the end of your Monday here. And I thank you boys. Shout out to Whit man. Like despite how many else you've been taken, buddy, you've been carrying the content side of the game. And I mean, the amount of comments on that video you dropped last night, 6400 on the spit and chicklets Instagram. I don't know. That's got to be some sort of a record or something. Man in the arena boys. And I would say maybe sit, you take, give 800 to Oilers fans. Would you say 67, 6,600? How many total 6400 to 64. So let's say 5600. Just carving me. Yeah. A man in the arena and these tapes won't stop and they never will stop. And this series ain't over and everyone three hours. Thank you for tuning in with us. I want to do something very special right now. Little family feud action. Next week. So thank you to everyone. Thank you to the fans. Unbelievable first round so far. That's why the shows are a little longer. So we appreciate you tuning in with us. 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