Gadget Prices Are Getting Ridiculous

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Use promo code WAVEFORM for an extra 20% off. you know a good way to tell the difference between between what black bear and grizzly bear if it's alive after 200 cups yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew i'm david today feels like a little bit of a i'm not gonna say throwback episode but like a callback episode because we got a whole bunch of stuff that might sound like it was from months slash years ago but it's all new for real for real update um we're going to talk about samsung foldables google fixing something that should have been fixed 10 years ago gopro launching some new cameras uh samsung price hikes and a bunch of updates from existing previous stories that we've seen and talked about in the past and also i'm going to try to explain something that just happened last weekend in tech terms it's in the sports world though so it'll be a challenge but first well so we actually have something before did we even test this oh which is if last week you noticed our audio only episode had four and a half minutes of ads before the episode started playing with like 10 to 15 second giant pauses in between them that was our fault um if you want to know we only run two 30 second pre-roll ads before the show starts um because we have two ad locations for pre-rolls and last week when we were cutting the ads out of the episode accidentally named the full clip of all of the ads together after one of the sponsors therefore uploading it to the 132nd ad location then giving four plus ads in that spot so that's an oopsie i wonder who did that sorry i got a few messages from people saying what the heck is going what did you guys do why do you have all these ads got one from someone and every time it's the first person who says it i go something must have been wrong with spotify and then the second one comes in and i go i need to investigate my favorite comment was someone commented on spotify and said bro is giving us time to reflect that i was cracking up that was so yeah our bad should be fixed by now couple companies got some free promotion i guess just in the midst of total confusion um yeah it happens but yeah we're good it happens and david you do have a did they even i do actually have a couple i'm just gonna do one today because we're gonna save the best for not this week um this one's funny so as we know there are many chinese phone brands right and some of them eventually bring some of their phones to the western world to global markets you might say uh one of these phones is the xiaomi lyca phone that you just reviewed i believe wait it's not a phone um you said it's like a phone but it's not a phone oh it's like a like a phone damn anyway so the xiaomi like a phone there are two models there's a chinese model which i believe is the one mark has reviewed yeah there's also a global model uh i was hanging out with my friend michael fisher a friend of the show he is also putting out a video about this that should be out by the time the pod goes live and he i think he said he's going to mention this but i just found so freaking funny when he showed it to me so you know clearly when they're making the global software they don't generally care as much about the global market version of the phone because they sell the most of them in china so they made the weather app but i guess during making the weather app they forgot to change the coding of the feels like to be able to reflect fahrenheit so on the screen of the phone you'll have the weather widget and it says like 82 fahrenheit but it says feels like 28 degrees so you can change the weather to be celsius or fahrenheit but then the feels like is still unable to be changed so here's a couple screenshots you can select the temperature unit select fahrenheit but the weather widget will always show the feels like in celsius they absolutely did not test this they did not test this definitely did test it because you know we use freedom units and you wouldn't use freedom units in honestly most of the world. So there's very little reason to test this. Yeah. And the hotter it gets, the more... The bigger discrepancy. If it's like really cold, then it's like very small. Yeah. And the feels like might be fairly accurate. And something that's like reasonable. Yeah, reasonable. It'll say like 34 feels like 24 or whatever. And you'd be like, oh, wind chill. Yeah. That seems about right. It's cold. Yeah. But that's... This week we had a heat wave and it was 82 Fahrenheit and it says feels like 28. right yeah if that was that's that would be that'd be crazy that's like a 60 degree difference so yeah michael said that there are many many things in this phone in the global version that basically this happened to it's not just the like celsius fahrenheit thing there are a bunch of things where it's like they clearly did not translate this over to the global version so uh yes this happens a lot we review a lot of phones like this where you're like well this isn't made for this market but i'm to test it anyway and review it and you just kind of start ignoring those things even though there's a lot of them yeah out the box you try to change as many of them as you can yeah that's hilarious they need to get testers for like global markets to actually just find all these books before they ship them but yeah yeah all right i have a little segment that i wanted to do with you marquez because last week you i saw that you were using the iphone air again and i said why are you doing that yeah Because it's black. Yep. Well. It's the only black iPhone they make. I have now acquired an iPhone Air. Yeah. Yeah. But that's not a black phone. It's baby blue. Barely. Barely blue. Is that Brandon's? It looks... No, it's not Brandon's. Oh. It's Michael Fisher's. I stole it from him. And I just wanted to, like... I just wanted us to do a little, like, recap thing on it. Because, you know... The review went out fairly soon after the embargo. And then now it's been a while. And I've been using it for a few days. So I just wanted to talk about some feelings. Sure. Well, I can give you my timeline and how it's gone. I reviewed all the phones at the beginning, and when I was done reviewing all the iPhones, I stuck to the 17 Pro as my main iPhone for a while. And that's usually how it goes. I usually have the Pro. I use the cameras a lot. That's the whole point of me carrying an iPhone is the things that the iPhone does well. And so I've just been carrying that phone for a bit. But it's orange, and I swear to God, that started getting on my nerves faster and faster and eventually yeah i just started testing this other phone that we're actually i can talk about now it's the oppo find x9 ultra and the video on it is coming later but it's got these incredible cameras and this incredible battery life so what better time to see if i could use the iphone with the worst cameras and the worst battery life yeah so i flipped to the black iphone air and it's been i think maybe two weeks now since i switched to it a A couple things have happened. One, I've gotten really used to the thin and lightness of it. It's not just the thinness. It's the lightness that really gets you. You put it in your pocket. You forget that there's something in your pocket. That never happens with other phones. So that happened quite a few times. The other thing is I just stopped trying to use Zoom, like ultra-wide and Zoom stuff, which I default do on the Pro iPhone all the time. It bummed me out, but I just stopped using Zoom, obviously, because there's no ability to zoom out or zoom in with any sort of quality. But I'm using this other incredible camera phone with this huge battery and these amazing cameras, and I'm taking all my pictures and videos on that one. So it's been fine so far, but we'll see how long that lasts. Yeah, my first few days, I was going to drop it a thousand times. Because of how thin it is, it's almost hard to grip because of how thin it is. Interesting. It's also hard to get out of my pocket. I have to put it in my pocket like this so that I can grab the camera bar and pull it out. Huh. you know maybe i'm doing that weirdly but that's what i'm doing you don't put the phone in your pocket camera face down you know he has to change his habit so he can have a lip to pick well that's why i'm asking did you change it specifically for no i did not i just kept putting my hand in my pocket and being like oh it's face up oh so you always have put your phone in your pocket right side up not usually but for some reason apparently this phone has made me start doing that that's the weirdest thing ever i've never heard that i don't do it on purpose it's very weird huh um other thing i've you know i'm plugging it in a lot more but it hasn't really been bugging me that i'm plugging it in a lot oh yeah the battery's so bad it's pretty bad like i'm used to a good battery and this one i mean i'm at 80 i haven't really done much of anything i navigated here in the morning and that was the only thing i've done on it you probably didn't did you use your phone to navigate here yeah oh so it's been on ways and then on and usually i'd get here at like 93 or 94 percent or whatever 80 yeah i'm at 74 i've done almost nothing with it the other day i asked everyone in the office that uses an air aka marquez brandon and rich what's your battery yeah what's your battery and marquez was like oh i think i'm at like 70 something rich was like i just took it off the charger so i'm pretty much topped off and brandon's just staring at me from across the line and it's like 1 p.m and he's like i'm at like 38 yeah yeah thanks yeah and that's about how it feels i was at the gym the other day um at one per at 1 p.m i was at like 12 percent yeah and so if you're using a multiple apps like i was using a couple of like music apps podcast apps you know the fitness app it can drain pretty pretty damn quick yep um i have gotten used to the thinness of it now and i'm not like you know dropping it the main problems i'm finding one when i'm traveling i use the 4x telephoto lens a lot because i shoot in like highlighter at the moment camera pro app and not having that sucks yeah and i know that most people said that they didn't want to buy this because i didn't have the ultra wide i never really used the ultra wide so that's not really a problem for me but the 4x lens trash and then the second thing is that i use this very specific app called viewfinder preview that helps me shoot ultra wide um panoramas on my film cameras and that uses the ultra wide camera so i literally cannot main this if i'm going out to like take pictures with my 3d printed camera yep so yeah yeah kind of a problem i have a question for you then yeah we all expect the next iphone air to have a second camera lens yeah which one do you hope it is telephoto but it won't be you think it'll be the ultra it's definitely it's probably the ultra i'm pretty sure most people said that their main problem was it didn't have an ultra wide yeah which i don't understand because that camera sucks anyway it's always sucked like it's like it's terrible remember when apple always goes oh but yeah you technically have a 2x lens built in with this optical zoom you've got 17 lenses very far yeah 17 lenses in your yeah they love saying that but it really doesn't translate that well well we just saw the huawei full like wide foldable that's going to be released right and that has three lenses on it so they can do that in an ultra thin body like come on apple please well i just want to say a few weeks ago we did a community post on youtube talking about which secondary lens is everyone's favorite 19 of people said the selfie 31 of people said the ultra wide and 50 of people said telephoto oh all right apple you're listening this is data you got to use the data to build your phone okay wait before we move on question for both of you now that you've been using the iphone air for a bit yeah is it worth it are the trade-offs worth it because the the lightness is awesome the size is awesome brandon loves it even though the battery life is trash over the pro or over the standard one yeah that's the thing is before i would not like normally switch from the pro to this phone it is clearly not a better phone no uh it is a bigger screen it's a totally fine phone i have a pro max so oh okay so i came from the pro so it's a bigger screen for me slightly smaller for you it's just that i've it just came from the 17 pro so that's why i'm noticing all the downfalls of it but if you you're coming from any other random older phone and you're thinking about buying an air you're like it's fine it's going to be a totally fine phone it's only one camera fine the battery life's kind of cheeks fine whatever you can deal with that but it would be so good with two or three cameras and a silicon carbon battery that would be a great phone yeah uh but it doesn't have that yet so we're waiting for if gen 2 air 2 air 2 yeah can i drop a crazy iphone camera opinion sure that i discovered this weekend i feel i need to let the world know david i just sent you two pictures via i message okay that i took on my iphone i've discovered i forgot about blip i just discovered the the the sauce okay it's oh yeah it's the moment the moment can't first david tell me that these didn't you bring this up last week no no i've dialed it in even further with a crazy take uh-huh moment pro camera you lock the iso at 640 instead of 800 so you still get the flatness but it's slightly less noisy you put it in natural processing mode so it's like almost a single exposure and then you only use the telephoto lens wow and it's beautiful It looks amazing. Show Marquez. Are you playing disc golf? Yeah, it's me playing disc golf. Hell yeah. You play disc golf? I can tell because he has the pencil in his hat. He has a hat designed to have a pencil in his hat. I can tell because it's a guy in the woods. That's all you do in the woods? Play disc golf? I just want to say. It just looks like the woods. I'm now telephoto superiority gang. Hell yeah, let's go. So you're hoping for a telephoto on the next air? I think the telephoto is the only camera you need on an iPhone. Well, that's a crazy take. That is the hottest take yet. The only camera you need. Yeah. All of those are with the telephoto. I just run really far away to take a picture and run back to my friends. What if you can't move further away? Oh, is that that really nice restaurant that just, like, scoots back, walks over three tables, snaps a picture of a spoon? You're laughing, but I did that. Yeah, you could. I literally did that. I mean, you get the portrait. When you go to take a portrait mode photo, it automatically, on a lot of phones, switches to the portrait, to the telephoto. If you need wide, you have a selfie camera. Just turn it around. Honestly? Fair take. Fair take. It's a technically true statement, but there you go. it's the worst the thing is the primary camera is always the biggest sensor that gets the more most light and takes the best photos as the fastest shutter speed etc etc telephoto cameras are getting better so you can take better telephotos but they're never as good as the primary now yeah it's a lot of astronauts and i was gonna say the most popular iphone picture i'm not arguably is with i'm not arguing that it's the most popular picture but it is definitively not the highest quality picture yeah that's facts yeah facts yeah you know that's the Hasselblad X1D yeah when I was in Colorado last week I was shooting raw a lot on the phone that was your fault I actually put it to myself oh my god it's actually crazy how good the main oh my god I'm leaving that in the podcast good not deleting it good uh it's actually crazy how good the main sensor is now if you like shoot in raw they're so flexible i don't really feel like i need to carry around a digital camera anymore like almost at all that's where i'm at with this well i can't say too much but with this oppo phone the whole point of me testing it is to be like all right it's got these crazy specs can it just be as good as a regular camera yeah and that's what a lot of people think about with phones with crazy cameras like this yeah so i mean we talked like a little bit off the show about how all of the chinese manufacturers now it used to be like they would make a car version of their phone it was like oh this this company had ferrari this company had um lamborghini and mclaren or whatever and now they're all doing lens manufacturers and camera manufacturers they're like zeiss and leica and possible yeah which is funny because i don't think that most people know who these companies are yeah agreed those companies might just need the extra money from licensing the most they should just go back to anime should they do a canon collab or something that'd be kind of crazy would that be with canon color science yeah i think that's a good i think that's a better idea than doing like zeiss to be honest like zeiss would pull the photographer crowd but if you want mainstream people right regular people know what canon is yeah it's like it's not like cars where everyone knows that a ferrari is good but not everybody can like experience a ferrari so they're like oh ferrari it must be a good collab but with zeiss people don't know that zeiss is the ferrari of yeah so they just kind of go i don't know what that is right but if they see if they see a canon yeah or sony sensors they don't make the sensor no that's because then maybe that's a thing because everyone uses the sony sensors they're not allowed to yeah but hospital you know what's funny sony made phones and they still stamp zeiss on the back of their phones so like i don't know they make the sensors for everyone but they still need that that clout that name yeah it's weird anyway anyway um yeah i think i'm probably going to go back to the pro at some point the main problem is that the pro feels like 4x bigger than it did before now thicker yeah it feels so thick now and i'm like damn i was using the s25 edge for a bit and then i switched to the s26 ultra and this thing feels massive i missed the edge yeah the ultra even is thinner than previous ultras so i'd pick up that ultra and think it's thin but when you come from a thinner phone it just yeah it changes it ruins it for you yeah i never should have tried in the first place yeah uh speaking of samsung since adam just said samsung true we now have an alleged date for the galaxy z fold 8 wide event uh if you don't know what the wide is it's basically samsung trying to get to the wide boy before apple does so remember how that happened with the thin phone this is exactly what happened with the s25 edge yeah There were rumors for an entire year and a half of an upcoming iPhone air. And so months earlier, Samsung went, hey, check it out. We made an ultra-thin phone. First. We were first. We did it first. And they actually didn't ship it for a little while after that. But they did announce it first, and they did ship it first. And now that there's rumors of this wide-folding iPhone, guess what Samsung is about to do? Be second. The exact same thing. Actually, there's a couple other wide-folding. Huawei did already. We actually used to have a bunch of these. We had, like, Oppo. It's also just. The Pixel Fold. yeah i was gonna say this is like peak google of like we had to think everyone liked and then we're like no no no go change what everyone else okay cool we're on the same page and then everyone yeah too ahead of their time google's always that at a time glasses anyway so according to a south korean publication the next galaxy unpacked will be july 22nd in london where they will unveil the z fold eight wide and hopefully it does not get canceled within three months like the uh you know the ultra long one the trifold did you see though that weirdly apparently you can you can buy trifolds in the u.s for a limited time till it like wipes out stock they're like reintroducing a bunch of ones that weren't for sale yet oh wow i think it like comes out the day this episode airs you can buy some or something i don't know i saw a verge article like if you really want the trifolds here's like the last of the stock that's coming to the u.s just re-releasing the stock yeah yeah yeah which is funny that they canceled it and then you could buy it again yeah this event will also probably release the standard fold 8 which will you know probably be the super thin one just like we saw with the fold 7 um and then we've also been hearing rumors of an s27 pro this is hilarious that is supposed to sit between the standard s27 and the s27 ultra which is probably coming later is that not just the plus but we've oscillated so the plus they've like kind of down tuned a little and the ultra has i think it's a high resolution display it's a little bigger bigger battery or no it might be the same battery uh extra camera for the ultra and just a couple other smaller things so the s pen which kind of made its way into the ultra when they killed the note is not necessarily used by everyone who wants an ultra so maybe if you could spend a little less on getting all the same stuff but not the pen it would make sense and this is classic samsung we're gonna offer every phone that possibly could exist so it's funny the first thing i thought of when I saw this is this is the Cadillac Vistique of smartphones We all agree You know why I could have said it better myself Because Cadillac made the Lyric which is like the S25 and S25 Plus They also made the Escalade which is the Escalade IQ is this enormous 200 kilowatt hour battery, 9,000 pound truck. But they also made the Vistique, which is the same size as the Escalade, but only a regular size battery. So you still get the three-row SUV, but you don't have to carry around 3,000 extra pounds of battery and spend the extra however many thousand dollars it costs. So you still get, that's exactly what this is. Why didn't they call it just a different trim? Because the Escalade is the big boy. And it has a massive battery and it's all about the massive range and all that fun stuff. The floor for that car needs to be high. Yes. But what if you don't need that extra range and all that extra weight and don't want to spend the extra $30,000? You make a new model. That's where the Vistique is. That's exactly what this phone is. S27 Pro, it's going to be the same size as the Ultra. I just don't need to carry around that extra S Pen and spend the extra money on it. It's such a good analogy. You guys aren't expecting this great analogy in this moment. I'm more confused by the Pro in this lineup. Oh, it's just Samsung has a phone at every price and every possible buyer. Will it have a bigger battery? I wish, but probably not, unfortunately. So they're going to get rid of the S Pen and not give you a bigger battery? Yeah, they're going to make it cheaper. It's so funny Samsung hasn't done anything cool with their lineup in the last three years, and they're like, we got them this year. Let's put one kind of in between the kind of higher mid-range and the really flagship. That'll get everyone excited. Will it have privacy display? Probably not. That's probably an ultra-only feature. I can see that. So then what is this phone? Cheaper. It's an ultra, but cheaper. Which they kind of need to do because... The ultra's $1,250 or something. Now it's more... Wait, no. Is it? Wait. Oh, I think the higher... Doesn't it start at $1,200? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. It's expensive. What if it was... Was it going to be $1,100? $1,100. I guess. I guess. That's all it is. It's just a cheap reverse. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of that, Samsung has quietly raised their prices across almost all of the mobile devices that they sell, which is kind of crazy. Samsung CEO, co-CEO, TM Rowe, did say that no company would be immune to the global memory shortage quite a while ago, and it would be inevitable that Samsung would likely have to raise their prices, and now we're seeing the result of that. What? Samsung makes the memory. Yeah, but Samsung has a different... They sell to themselves. Samsung wants to make themselves money also. It's like Samsung Fab is different than Samsung the mobile Samsung display. I don't know. They don't talk. Fairly different. This has happened before with LG and LG display. Those are actually two separate unrelated companies. It's the same effect. And they negotiate and contract with each other and are suppliers of each other and have relationships with each other. Really, like the Samsung phones and the Sam, like there's no shared ownership. Like they're too in because LG and LG displays are literally two separate companies. No relation. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate because you'd think that they would talk and you think that they would simply make the cheaper memory for themselves. You think that many of these companies would talk. Yeah. You do think that. But they don't. Even if they're not in the same exact way that LG display and LG aren't, they are effectively separate. A lot of this happens with Google. I'll talk to Google and people in different buildings at Google and different departments effectively never communicate with each other in weird ways. And I wouldn't be shocked if this is the exact same. Which is why like random apps get updated to support different things. And then they just don't have very obvious things with each other. It's stupid. Yeah. Well, regardless, Samsung has jacked up the price of almost a dozen Galaxy phones and tablets to up to $280 from as little as $40 to as high as $280. The Z Fold 7 last week already had its price increased by about $80 across models, which makes the 1TB model $2,500 and the 512GB model $2,200. But now they're raising the price of pretty much all the models except for the standard S26 series and the Ultra. So far. It seems like so far. I think that they're doing that because they're trying – that's their most sold phones in the U.S. besides the A series are the S20. ultra and the main s26 series and also they have those they have all the carrier partners with you know verizon and at&t and whatnot i think they're trying to pad the margin on everything else so most of their tablets went up in price to the s11 ultra one terabyte is the 280 dollar job that's crazy that's three it went from 16 19 to 18 99 for s26 no the s11 ultra tablet tablet yeah it's went from what to what 16 19 to 18 99 280 bucks it honestly seems like the things they sell the least amount of they've raised the prices on the most so i think they're just trying to figure out how to pad the margin on on the perimeter yeah it's going to be interesting to see if all the other phone companies start jacking their prices up this year we haven't really seen that yet this is kind of the first i heard the memory crisis was almost over yeah i mean there was a thing with OpenAI didn't actually purchase all the memory and it started to go down a little bit, but apparently it's still a major problem. It's definitely still a problem, but maybe with a light at the end of the tunnel? I'm sure the variability of it is a major problem. Maybe there's a light at the end of the tunnel now, but who knows who's going to screw something up any day now? Between us recording and this coming out, who knows what could happen? Speaking of companies not really talking to themselves, Andrew, do you want take us through this google back button hijack i am very passionate about this already because it's something that this feels like google made their own version of did they even test this and then realized it and then we're like we should fix this so do you know what i've never heard the term before but back button hijacking is i think i understand it now yes i think everyone's dealt with it whether it's like clicked in your head of what's going on but essentially i had never heard of this before you explained it to me but then i explained it and you can like remember a time it's everyone's experienced yeah exactly it's like when you go to usually more sketchy websites the if you click in from like a google search result you realize that's not the page you want to be on and you click back and you wind up at the page you were at already and you click back again and you're still the same page you click back again you're still the same page if you wind up holding that back button you'll see this big because that's like when you show your whole history of back you'll notice there are like four or five pages between you and the search result you came from yeah that's back button hijacking there's a bunch of different ways to do it it's a tool that was made for like actually really specific things i think someone described like if you're in gmail and you're inside of a email and you want to click back it should take you still to the gmail url but in your inbox instead that's what it's meant to do but people can do that to bring it to a super fast loading redirect link so if you're on all recipes and you go back it's going to just whip you to all recipes again um so you have to just like mash the back button like seven times or hold it down and come up to i mean i think most people just close the tab and start google searching again because that's the easiest way of doing it and it is infuriating yeah so finally google is now going to consider this a malicious practice and if it finds your website is partaking in those practices, you could be listed as spam, which will impact your performance in search results. The funniest part of the whole release of this is they said they've noticed a rise in this behavior. This has been going on for like 10 years. There's no way now there's a rise in this behavior, probably because less people are going to websites because it's all getting scraped from Google. Honestly, probably Gemini started getting pissed when it was trying to back after scraping all the it kept scraping the same thing over and over again but like i'm not gonna be mad late is better than never but this should have been fixed a really really long time ago but thank you for finally fixing i guess i'm doing some spring cleaning you know yeah somebody in like the 70th google building on the corner logged in one day and was like i could fix this or you found like that post-it note that's buried on his desk that's like fix back button hijacking when did i write 12 years ago 12 years ago yeah yeah that's it but thank you speaking of something that has gotten an update that i'd hoped got updated a long time ago yes yeah yes nailed it uh new gopros this is like a blast you guys remember gopro yeah yeah yeah they're still around they helped you go yeah they well because they've been their lunch has been eaten by insta 360 and dji in the past couple years yeah but they're still around making action cameras making 360 cameras and they came out with this new camera called the mission one it's kind of interesting we love these tiny action cameras for being in the corner of a car or being in like the the mounted on the outside of the car or like a small space where it's kind of a crash cam if it falls off it's fine but it's just sort of an extra angle that you can get because this camera is so small and versatile but the quality is not that great typically it's good enough but it's not amazing So the Mission One is a new camera that is a larger one-inch sensor, and the entire thing is built around being a cinema-grade, like, proper camera. Now, all of this is dependent on the footage actually looking good, but this is everything I ever wanted from a GoPro. It frees them up to keep making the Hero like an action cam, a crash cam. Right. But now with this larger sensor, they've made, like, an interchangeable lens mount version. They've made a bunch of accessories where you can, you know, plug in extra memory. You can plug in microphones. You can pair all sorts of things to the GoPro. It makes it a much more, I don't want to say RX100, but like a cinema version of an RX100. It's like it's rickable. Like you can rick it up to a cage. They showed me a bunch of accessories for it, a cage for it, a bunch of underwater shooting accessories. It'll shoot 8K, open gate. So the whole sensor, it's a really convincing set of specs. so i would like to use it and verify that the footage actually looks better yeah but they showed me some footage that they essentially they've rigged this thing up like with huge lenses and a cage and mics and everything and shot like really good looking stuff with it so i'm i'm curious you have my attention the one that most people are interested in is the ils which is interchangeable lens system version it takes micro four-thirds lenses um which is very interesting now obviously micro four-thirds lenses are the small pretty much the smallest lenses that you can get you know and uh so they are you know still small but on a gopro they they still look huge yeah yeah so yeah it's weird i don't know when i would want to rig up my my example of when this could be awesome is we shoot inside a car and the car windshield has like a super low rake so you can't fit like a komodo or something in there you could fit a little gopro with like a 70 mil or a 50 mil lens on it yeah could be great i guess so maybe it's interesting but the weird thing about it is that the lens mount for micro four thirds that they have doesn't have any contacts so it can't do autofocus yes which is oh very weird if you have to have all the cameras that just focusing at infinity or focusing at a very specific distance yeah which is that kind of sucks that's true of the komodo i mean the komodo has autofocus but we always just manual focus yeah but at least you're like carrying that camera and you can just like rack focus but if this is mounted in a car on the side of a car yeah yeah in the corner you have to like set the focus very specifically and then what happens if it like changes and i don't know it's strange yeah is there focus peaking are there like assists in the camera probably most likely and they'll they have like a lot of very capable software things already built in so i wouldn't be shocked if it added more over time but like i think it shoots 8k 60 or 4k 240 yeah uh which there's not a lot of other cameras that do that period i'm i'm kind of interested because as someone who really likes shooting uh vintage like 16 millimeter and 8 millimeter film lenses um like a the micro four third standard is like really easy to adapt vintage vintage glass to yeah and if the gopro has a one inch sensor yeah this might actually be like the best vintage glass rig possible could be interesting especially if there are focus assists because it's really hard to find yeah affordable micro four thirds cameras that have focus assists yeah yeah pretty different i i think i saw something that said like this is the first time in 22 years that they have released a gopro that is not under the hero line yeah which is crazy so it's a big jump for them they needed it because they were like on the verge of bankruptcy so hopefully this is successful for them they're also releasing a new wireless lav mic set that looks almost identical to the dji ones i think it's a necessity they have to do that yeah like that is the best part about the action cam is that you can just plug those dji mics and like this turns into a camera that you could buy starting out trying to make some sort of a youtube channel for content this could be an awesome vlog camera all this is the asterisk of like does the footage actually look good yeah this could be a great vlog camera yeah maybe yeah the sad part about these mics is that they do not do 32-bit float like the dji ones do so got it so many so many asterisks necessary there yeah i forget the exact thing but it's just like all of those wireless mics are like we do 32-bit float if you stand on one leg and put your hand over your head and use them in exactly this workflow okay yeah it is like got it yeah it's it's nonsense okay well yeah that should be interesting i mean you already got them in right i saw you took a photo so they brought them here they showed them to us uh i got to handle them for an hour and then they left and they were like trust me we'll send you one so i'm like yes please let me try them i want to shoot 8k 60 log 30 fps open gate in my in a handheld camera like that just sounds awesome yeah so hopefully soon i can't wait for the autofocus video with you using these yeah i can shoot an autofocus video with it i can't wait till ellis is walking around brooklyn with his vintage glass on the newest gopro taking photos when you get one in i'll order a micro four thirds to c mount adapter and i'll 3d print something goofy and uh i will make the vintage gopro camera it seems perfect for that they showed me uh they shutter accessory oh no they showed me they had adapted to pl mount and they put a massive cinema lens on it for some reason like a 30x prop factor some insane what do you mean for some reason that's awesome if you're gonna rig that much up you might as well throw like a komodo in a 28 they're all is going to be like a 120 equivalent on that thing do we know the price no we don't um i can do my best guessing job i think it'll be under a thousand i think it'll be over the current a car and gopro post tariff pricing is like 400 something dollars right this might be the greatest vintage glass camera dude if if straight up if there's like focus peaking and magnification in for like oh my god yeah so you don't have to buy a stir era has peaked yeah if you want to do this with an actual micro four thirds camera like you don't get those features until you're spending like 900 on a used camera which is like yeah kind of defeats the point anyway sorry uh another quick story google randomly released this new spotlight for windows application which is actually quite cool uh it's a little floating window that pops up when you use a keyboard shortcut right yes and and you can ask it for a context about your screen it can do screen recordings you can use google lens to sort of drag your cursor over something and it'll google it for you it can access files on your computer and it can access files on your google drive all at once so it's kind of like this cool hybrid like on device and also in cloud little pop-up box that you could just call at any time dare i say this is just a this is the better version of copilot is like what i was like yeah i was gonna say this is kind of fire it is i don't have a chromebook but i want most of the nice parts i mean more people use like google drive than use one drive exactly and it's only works on windows so there's like google co-work kind of like cloud co-work but google-ified well it can't really do things for you but you said it could like reach into drive and local. Yeah, it can search. Oh, it can only search? So you can't copy it from one place to another or manipulate things? I think you can. Can you tell it to rename a bunch of files in your downloads folder? No. It doesn't have autonomous... It can't do things for you autonomously. When I say you can access those files, it's like you do a search and it's like a universal search that goes between your desktop and also your Google Drive. It's still handy. It's interesting. And it's quite cool. And it's cool that it just floats to the side and you can just like invoke it with a keyboard shortcut so yeah i don't know why they made this or why they made this now super random but it's very cool and i wish they had it have you ever tried to search for a local file on a windows computer that's why they made it yeah just why in 2026 that's been a problem for like 30 years can they make search in gmail better yeah i was gonna say this company is yeah i'm really bad at some search yeah i you know what i really want on mobile version of gmail there's the all mail function they do not have that on the desktop and you have to like keep changing your accounts over and over again it's so annoying anyway i would love that unless you have side-by-side browser windows open like a king like a king i want to hit you with the dumbest headline i saw hit me you all talked about it before i was trying to keep this a secret but it sounds like half you are this uh so struggling shoe retailer all birds makes bizarre pivot from shoes to AI, stock explodes more than 700%. 700%? Did you hear about this this morning when they were talking about it? Are you serious? Okay, cool. That is the dumbest thing I've heard. So, Allbirds is pivoting from shoes to AI. They're going to sell off their shoe assets to American Exchange for $39 million. They quote, they are going to pivot its business to AI compute infrastructure with a long-term vision to become a fully integrated GPU-as-a-service GPU-AAS. This is... there's more is this april fool's day no everything i said had to have a line that said this is real this is an ai native cloud solutions provider in connection with this pivot the company anticipates changing its names to new bird ai new bird this reads strikingly like an april fool's well this really reads like an ai look at the stock chart wow holy crap so they also it's not the onion because of this they proposed to their um shareholders if they could remove all references to the company being operated for the environmental conservation public benefit oh my imagine saying that out loud this reads now now are you sure it's not the onion because that's like we're out of a job crazy wait so they're selling the shoe company they're selling all their shoe assets to who uh american exchange group that's just like the shoes and the designs i'm assuming the rest of Are they still going to be sold under Allbirds? They're changing their name to Newbird AI. Yes, their shoes will be Oldbirds. This is the biggest f*** it game plan I've ever seen. They thought that they were going to be a tech company because they were selling products to tech people, but it wasn't really tech. And then they've just been in Silicon Valley so long, you're like, f*** it. From the articles I read, it basically was like our evaluation when we IPO'd was like $4 billion. And now it's so, so, so, so, so much less than that. That they're like, we need to do something else because we're IPO and we have to please share all their app on it. They IPO'd at $1,000. Wait, that can't be right. That's $1 million a share. I don't know enough about the stock market, but I do think $4 billion is maybe a little bit silly for a shoe company. That is so crazy. I mean, do you remember when Allbirds first came out? They were so popular. They were so high. I mean, yes. Yeah, but they were like fashion. Valuation of $2.2 to $4 billion when they IPO'd in 2021. I'm just Googling how much Nike is worth right now. $67 billion. Damn. Okay, I guess that is pretty high. Dude, Allbirds are everyone. They were so hyped. Everyone loves them. Are the shoes on sale right now? Apparently through American Exchange. Whatever. That's crazy. Well, rip to it. Your new Allbirds come with a GP. Actually, they don't. You have to pay with a GPU so they can put it in their infrastructure. And people still say we're not in a bubble. Let see how this goes for them This may age incredibly poorly I mean honestly maybe GoPro should have done the same thing You know what I mean It like if you going to sync you might as well become an AI company before you sync I guess so. Just paint AI over your company and hope that it changes. They already have the first two letters. They got the G and the P in GoPro. GoPro Universe. GoPro Universe. That could be their online crypto. I guess. Yeah. That's crazy. Get your bag. Their company's not going to die. The straight up just asking if we can remove all references that we care about the environment is a wild thing to put out in the public. You can't really say you do when you just run a GPU farm. It's not really compatible. What if you heated your pool with it or something? Then technically you're removing. Isn't that what Linus did in one of his videos? I think he cooled his computers off with the pool water, correct? Oh. Yeah. It would be crazy to heat your pool with the G- No, no, that's the same thing. That's not crazy. Then the pool water goes back into the pool, and it's warmer. Yeah, the difference it would make to the pool versus the difference is what we're doing to the ocean. I don't know. It depends on how many computers you got. Damn. Heat the oceans. All right. We're going to take a break. We'll be back with some updates from the last year that all have lots of updates that we can tell you about. So it's going to be fun. But first, you know what doesn't get updated that we do every single week? trivia dude guys we're pivoting the podcast guys we all know gopro for its hero and now mission line of little tiny cameras but from 2016 to 2018 gopro briefly entered this adjacent product category what is it what what was your timeline 2016 to 2018 it didn't go well and they stopped Oh, I think I might have had that product. GoPro entered? GoPro entered. And then promptly left. Shoes. Yeah. All birds. GPU compute. Huh. Okay. All right. GPUs. Well, we'll think about it. It's a blast from the past, kind of like the rest of this episode. Yeah. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from Shopify. Every thriving, successful business has to start somewhere. A good place to start is with the relatively simple question, what if, given the right tools, I really put my all into this? One tool that can help grow your sprouting business to new heights is Shopify. 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This week on Net Worth and Chill, I'm breaking down the institution everyone's talking about right now, but nobody actually understands the Federal Reserve. With all the drama happening between Trump and Fed chair Jerome Powell, you're probably seeing headlines and wondering what any of this has to do with your money. Spoiler alert, it's everything. I'll explain what the Fed actually is, why it exists, and how this one institution controls the interest rates on your mortgage, credit cards, student loans, and more. We're diving into why raising or cutting rates isn't just boring policy talk. It's the difference between affording a house or watching prices spiral out of control. Plus, I'm breaking down the current controversy over firing Fed board members and why both Republicans and Democrats are freaking out about it. Because this fight isn't just political theater. It could mean real chaos for your wallet. Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube dot com slash your rich BFF. All right. Welcome back. welcome to this segment where we mostly talk about things that may sound familiar because they're updates to things that we've previously talked about this segment is called circling back wow wow wow ari my last conversation we're not even sure if it's going to be a segment but that's too good of a name so it's now a segment even if it's just a one-time segment for my last email All right. First up, we talked about Kabilame's near billion dollar deal. Something about he was like selling his company and his image for unlimited use to turn into like an AI likeness. Yeah. Content generator version of himself or something. Yeah. For a billion dollars. Yep. We were a little skeptical because they promised to make like hundreds of millions of dollars off of his likeness in like no time. turned out we were right to be skeptical yeah uh they they essentially paid him in stock and then obviously all those headlines go out the stock price goes up and then shortly after crashes and is i don't want to say worthless now but i think you understand the risk of a all stock deal when they're promising you billions of dollars like that it was a rug pull it's very similar to what happens in crypto coins yeah where they basically like ipo'd it and then they merged like his image as a new company and then a ton of fans bought a ton of stock because they're like oh they're gonna make hundreds of billions of dollars and then all of a sudden the price completely correct collapsed uh which means that the company probably had most of the stock and probably sold it all yeah and now kabilame doesn't own his likeness or have any of the stock no but he might have made the money we're not really that's the tough part about this yeah he might have been the rug it is a weird thing there were lots of company uh you don't know for sure but lots of companies tag on to people with a lot of influence and then rug pull under them because then that person with influence as the public-facing person gets to uh they get all they get shit on nobody's talking about rich sparkle holdings yeah even though they probably should be everything's a scam these days pretty much everything's a scam if someone offers you a billion dollars to your likeness maybe think a little bit more about that if you're getting offered more than the highest contract in the mlb there's probably something wrong with that he does have more followers than that person true is that um wansodo what's this you're thinking shohei yeah shohei otani it's wansodo sports yeah 765 million i only know because i reference it every time a company gets sold no no over 10-ish years oh was shohei's bigger or but didn't shohei's have like a bunch i don't know wansodo's was after maybe i just use wansodo's because there's lots of tech companies that get sold for less money than juan soto is making that's great that's hilarious wow juan soto should buy apple speaking of scams as you said um yeah nzxt and their flex pc rentals do you remember that at all yes that's a fun one big gamers nexus yes exactly if you really want everything that happened here there's about seven hours of footage from gamers nexus that is really really interesting but really quick tldr 2024 nzxt was renting out computers on a subscription based uh basis the weird thing about it was one when you've you didn't buy the computer outright when you got to the price of the computer that was crazy some of the times you would switch from buying the computer to renting the computer on their website it would change the specs without really noticing so you'd get a worse computer and then they had a bunch of uh like promotions and integrations where i don't know if they told the people to say this but somebody was saying something like you could rent this computer and then win a fortnight tournament and then buy a computer like it's it's like one of those like it's basically making you money you're losing money by not doing really really sketchy borderline scammy if not a total scam um but they just reached a settlement for $3.4 million, I think. $3.45 million. Essentially, in the lawsuit, it's saying that people who are getting collected debt from, which apparently some of the instances are people actually paid and they still have debt collectors coming at them. So it just sounds like the company that they're working with, I forget the name in here, is doing it really poorly. So some people who are paying, they're going to get money back from the settlement and then some people who were paying for over two years they're saying get to own the computer outright yeah um that's good and the weird thing is though mcxt is still offering some rental programs they've changed a couple things in it but it still seems really sketchy don't rent a computer it's stupid it also if you're renting a computer the computers change so much that's going to be like obsolete by the time yeah you don't even get to pay it off i don't even know what's going on rent to center's entire you know entire point that's the reason that was basically a scam too yeah so yeah go watch the gamer sexes video for the whole thing on this but um nzxt that sucks this is extra lame because they were tar i mean if you're talking about you could win a fortnight tournament and then buy your own computer they're probably kind of targeting 15 year olds oh yeah you know it's like kids who probably don't have enough money to buy a gaming pc and then they entice you with this idea of like you could win this thing that you play all the time and then you could buy it yourself and you don't have any money and like that's super predatory and also by doing that is like when you look at a computer at first that's maybe close to your price range maybe it's like twelve hundred dollars then you go to the rental version which is showing a monthly payment then you're like oh i can bump up the specs on this a little bit it's only changing my rental price a couple dollars a month and then it's not that far off from like car payments yeah like tacking on extra trim levels and stuff so but when you're targeting fortnite players which we all know is a certain age group yeah you're targeting the most vulnerable part of that yeah very lame but good that um this lawsuit went through so i'm glad that people are getting the money back agreed do you want to do the uh yeah yeah next one we this was only a few weeks ago that this happened but um you know things of this administration change very quickly we didn't know why but the pentagon decided to ban all routers from being imported into the u.s in the future uh that were not made in america which is really so all routers so all routers yeah practically maybe not cisco but they're probably still assembled in vietnam or something um yeah so we don't really know why but just today the fcc gave net or i guess yesterday the fcc gave netgear conditional approval to import future routers modems and gateways into the u.s through october 1st of 2027 netgear has not announced any plans to bring its manufacturing to the united states um and the pentagon has stated that such devices do not pose risk to the u.s national security uh so pete hegseth why did you ban them in the first place tell me that you know it's funny netgear was one of the main targets of the the chinese hacking group attack yeah that was because a bunch of people's did a really bad job of updating the security issues with it but netgear is like the whole the the router that got hacked in the whole thing they're referencing for doing the banning list right and they said that wasn't like explicitly netgear's fault because it was some like isp firmware thing that happened to go through the router i think it was just a lacking of updating a security measure right the routers right um so i'm not saying this was a bribe but i'm not saying it wasn't a bribe just gonna not not saying i'm not not saying allegedly do you know what email i did get this morning what from netgear it says netgear is the first retail consumer router company to receive conditional approval from the fcc and then a whole thing about how um they're the first ever retail customer first ever with conditional approval two weeks ago when this first change yeah the sd called for a stronger safety and security standards this aligns with our security first approach and that's like when businesses like put outside their business established 2026 and you're like okay that doesn't really help um yeah so yeah the funny thing about that most people that got that email probably don't even know what happened they probably don't even know that the routers got banned because you've got to be pretty in the weeds to know that the pentagon decided to ban routers that were coming from not the united states so we'll see if this extends to more router companies um it would be very strange if netgear was the only company allowed to sell routers in the united states in the future given they are probably one of the larger router manufacturers in the u.s unless you're a big gamer that can afford this and can buy like a asus you know whatever the spider one yeah the one that looks like a spider so i don't know it's weird all right we got one more that is a it's a far callback to a very early episode yeah but i think arguably one of the biggest things despite it sounding like it has absolutely nothing to do with tech john deere just settled for a 99 million dollar lawsuit over right to repair which was one of our first ever bonus episodes was it really right to repair episode where we talked to john deere and a couple of right to repair advocates yeah john deere is like this thing where in the tech world doesn't feel like it has anything to do with us but they are just right to repair h john deere because of all the stuff that they do yeah um so this is obviously much larger than uh 99 million dollars of farmers in a class action lawsuit that accuses them of preventing farmers or mechanics from being able to repair their equipment yeah um with the new lawsuit john deere is going to make repair resources this is where i was a little confused available for 10 years based on a license or subscriptions which what sounds like not the best way of doing this um i'm not totally sure how that's working out but um they have agreed to allow owners and shops to run diagnostics on equipment while in offline mode by the end of the year which is huge because previously what you had to do if you were a farmer who had a giant tractor break is bring it to an authorized dealer to get it fixed which is probably very far away from your farm from your farm and the equipment you're bringing in is probably um heavy and it has to be during business hours it has to be like there have to be people there now to fix it it's probably going to take them at least a week to fix it and i remember talking to some farmers about this and they were like it would just throw like the most basic system error that like i should be able to fix with a wrench but because i i can't access the firmware i can't do anything to it and it was a whole thing yeah and you see it like towed to the nearest retail yeah it's kind of crazy but the lawsuit was filed in 2022 and while the cinnamon's not perfect this still in the right to repair world has got to be one of the biggest wins whether it's a perfect win or not probably one of the biggest wins in the battle of right to repair yeah i'm curious what the details of that like subscription to be able to fix your thing my first thought was do just some different non authorized retailers can they like buy a subscription to access different parts if they're not the owner so like maybe different because it mentions mechanics so maybe there are mechanics that aren't authorized and maybe they can somehow pay to have subscriptions or licenses for repairing equipment so it doesn't have to be only specific ones yeah not totally sure but yeah this is one of those things that you don't really realize has been like completely upended by technology you know tractors and farming in general have been like they use a lot of ai stuff now to detect what's a weed and what's a crop and uh it's to the point where like you kind of have to use this stuff because if you're using traditional equipment it's going to be you're going to be way way way behind in the amount of stuff that you can harvest but at the same time you have no control you're basically selling your soul to like a giant farming company that allows you to use this stuff and you can't fix it yourself and it's like a catch-22 it's very annoying yeah and hopefully fixed soon yeah and i hope it the legal precedent extends to like other sort of industries i i've been hearing a lot uh that like things like cement mixers or weed whackers are also slightly different because it's not like they're using ai but it's like it's the same thing where it's like there's no reason these things are not repairable other than the companies who make them refuse to sell spare parts at a fair price yeah yeah sounds about right i mean we saw a couple years ago apple started selling like their own parts repair kits and at first it was like a large large heavy box that like made it very difficult to use but they've gotten better over time so we stopped in new york laws that were passed a couple years ago about right to prepare so i think we're we're going we're getting there precedent more precedents that get set yeah better yeah that episode was so long ago i don't even think ellis was here yet i don't think so no right to repair deep dive was like episode three of 2021 so i wasn't even born yet actually was that even video waveform or was it I went to Double Jack. It was a video. I think it was the first ever bonus episode. You guys published the episode by speaking into a can. I just went straight to Megapod. Yeah. Marquez, you typed breaking news in. Breaking news. Breaking news. Breaking news fish. That's a hilarious reference. I just got an email that Gemini for Mac just got released. It is essentially the same thing that we were talking about earlier for Windows. Oh. But it's also now on the Mac. So if you go to Gemini.com, Gemini.Google.com, it's the same thing. That's such a funny URL. Yeah, Gemini.Google.com. Pancakes.bacon.com. It's essentially like it's the same thing, replaces your keyboard shortcut. So like right now you can replace Spotlight with whatever alternative. You can have this replace Spotlight and then jump in and access your files or your Google Drive or your whatever. And it's your chat bot and it's your Gemini or desktop. Google's going to Sherlock Spotlight. Oh, my God. Well, what is the shortcut to activate this? Do you have it installed yet? I do have it installed already, and the shortcut is customizable, but by default, your mini chat shortcut is option space, and your full chat shortcut is option shift space. But I think I can change that. Yeah, I can just change that to whatever. I just want it to be space. I want it to be space. I want to change it to control because then I could just use all of them. I'll have command space for Spotlight, option space for Raycast, and control space for Google Gemini. It's also funnier because control is generally the hotkey for Windows and use the Gemini thing. I can't wait to be really old and talking to my great-grandkids and say something like, I remember when Google Sherlocked Spotlight and also turned Raycast into Clubhouse. I'd be like, oh man, you really need to be in a home. It's time for a nap, right, Grandpa? That's a thing that happened, I swear! back in the ai wars i talked about it on a podcast what's a dad what's a podcast okay i'm sure grandpa it's time to take a nap it was an audio feed it was syndicated really simply you joke but you will be telling them about you mean spotify yeah no they don't even spotify will be long gone it'll be uh they're gonna rebrand to an ai a gpu company at some point There will just be like one giant data center somewhere in the desert that makes one continuous song with AI. And you just sort of tune in to see what's going on with the song. It's like perpetual stew music. Oh, I hate that. Someone backcode this. I want that. I'm surprised you haven't already, Ellis. I remember so long ago, I met someone who was at a VC firm that was working on this exact project. or it wasn't this exact project but the idea was like what if you could turn one song into an entire day's listening experience with generative ai so like they would add guitar solos and then one idea they pitched was they were like yeah at one point like the music will sort of get really quiet and it'll be like a podcast about the song and it's like that guy's listening to this episode and he's like did it sound that stupid i thought it was cool this was like 2017 like like very early before ais could generate any of these things so it was very like pie in the sky and i remember being like that sounds kind of interesting and now that they can i'm like oh my god before we move on i just want to say i while we're talking about ai music i was in a coffee shop last weekend i know wow i was in it was in it was an indoor building i think but um interesting uh listening to a song i was like interesting song next song i was like this coffee shop's you know pretty middle of the road and then um that song died down i just heard okay michael i'm glad you enjoyed that and i was like no they're not using the spotify dj in the coffee shop what's up david that's great quick update punk bring it home you can make control space the shortcut. Sick. So if you want, you can live this life. You got Claude on one. You got Gemini on the other. Tap, tap. That was a very Linux-coded sentence of you because it's command space on macOS. Anyway, are we ready for trivia? I use Arch, by the way. I am ready for trivia. Nice. Let's get it. I need the points. Trivia. Here's your change. Trivia question number two. Earlier, I don't remember what we were talking about. We were talking about temperature in Celsius. Oh, it was the bug. It was the bug. That's what it was. So, here's your question. Oh, no. 32 degrees Celsius is what in Fahrenheit? That's so obvious. I'm glad I know that one. Is it? The nearest tenth of the decimal without going over. Oh, wait. Oh, no. Yeah, you guys are backwards. You said 32 Celsius? 32 Celsius. Oh, whoops. Okay. Uh-huh. I'll think. Everyone in other countries is yelling at us right now. Well, no, because they have to know Fahrenheit. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the other way around. I think 32 Celsius is enough to kill a bear with the amount of caffeine. But maybe that's just me. Nice. How much? How much caffeine would kill a bear? I did do a lot of research on how much caffeine would kill a person. Why? Cocaine bear? Because I had a crazy experience. Dude, someone asked this question on Reddit word for word four weeks ago. How much caffeine would I need to kill a bear with a heart attack? What kind of bear? Yeah, brown bear or black bear? They're very different bears. Or polar bear. Like a man. The top comment is 200. They say, first of all, it would die of a seizure, not a heart attack. Second of all, 200 cups for a black bear, 400 cups for a grizzly bear. I'm assuming this random Reddit comment. Do you know a good way to tell the difference between black bear and a grizzly bear? If it's alive after 200 cups. and that's when we take a break we'll be right back all right welcome back i have a sports question that marquez is going to explain in tech terms which is kind of weird because it feels like the basis of the question already kind of is within tech itself correct there's also a reason in the beginning marquez said it's a sports related thing and not a golf related thing because i'm sure most people wouldn't make it this far into the podcast if they knew it was about golf too bad you're here don't go away okay so i saw this mean regular golf or ball golf ball golf okay what not disc golf or wait not the superior what is regular golf then ball golf the original no no no sorry you sold us out we're disc golf fans here oh i knew that uh we so the regular is disc is what you're saying that's the other thing it's superior now i feel like this is not even it's please just continue okay so yeah the original tweet was actually from andrew martinik and he said imagine being this crazy about your custom 3d printed irons and losing in every serious tournament to guys who don't do any of that and just play with normal equipment and it's referencing a tweet about bryson dechambeau and his 3d printed five iron where a reporter asked are you satisfied with the five he said yeah i mean i only hit it once today and the reporter said how long does it take to make where he replied prints in eight hours machines there are three or four hours then you have to cut grooves in it and a bunch of other stuff so you can have something within a day and a half if it's 30 printed is it still made of iron i'm so confused it's called a five iron about this well i mean honestly i am confused about the material of golf sports wow this is at the masters this week the disrespect is crazy yeah which is like the minor league of golf yeah no it's the one with the really cheap food yes okay yes okay i'm glad you went there so in order to understand why this is weird you need to understand a little bit more about golf and about bryson golf uh you have a set of 18 clubs you're allowed to carry and every club is typically a different loft and different length so the higher the ball goes the more lofted it is and the shorter the club which is the angle of the head yeah right okay so a nine iron will have a lot of loft and will be shorter and you go all the way to like a four iron and it will be not very lofted to go farther and the club is longer when you say the club is you mean the head is shorter or longer or the length of like where the handle is the length of the club okay so every iron has a different angle and has a different physical length from ground to hands yes okay and that's to give you the smooth transition from the shortest clubs all the way to the longest club in the bag which is the driver which has the least loft longest club goes the farthest biggest swing can i ask a stupid question go ahead which is the one that i use for mini golf you have a putter for mini golf which is the shortest club they're all putters and it goes the shortest distance it happens to have basically no loft typically actually has one degree of fluff, but we'll ignore that. So Bryson is a bit of an unusual golfer. Bryson has this history of the last couple years of really tweaking his clubs and trying to optimize his swing because the best golfers in the world are the most consistent golfers in the world. And he is the only one, as far as I know, who thought, you know, why do all my clubs have to be different lengths? I'm going to have the same grip and the same length on every single one of my irons, which doesn't sound that weird, but when you put the longest and shortest irons next to each other, you'll realize that that's really unusual. His shortest irons are the same length as his longest irons, so that he can have the same swing with all of his irons. Why are they different lengths in the first place? They're all different lengths in the first place because to hit it further, you want a longer lever. So less loft and longer lever, it all just kind of smoothly graduates you to the longest club in the bag. But he's decided to just have the same exact length for all of his irons, which is highly unusual. And he's the only one who would do this kind of thing because he's kind of the mad scientist of the golf world of being willing to try and tinker with new equipment. So he's been one of the best golfers in the world, debatably, but for the last couple of years. The Masters, as you point out, very big tournament, maybe the biggest tournament. If you're a golfer, I'm understating this. It is the biggest tournament, obviously. He goes to the Masters, and apparently one of this new things he's trying is a 3D printed 5-iron specifically. Why is it called 5-iron? So a 9-iron, an 8-iron, a 7-iron, a 6-iron, a 5-iron are all next to each other in the bag. The 5-iron is a very specific club that typically goes the same distance every single time. It's slightly shorter than the 4-iron, slightly longer than the 6-iron. For some reason, just as 5-iron is the one that's 3D printed. do you know the specifics of like how i don't i would imagine it's a lot more complicated than the 3d printers were picturing which are like plastic and obviously not this is definitely still metal the thing also about making clubs for a tournament like this is every tournament every club has to be legally allowed and tested so it has to pass usga regulations and so it has to meet a certain set of requirements for that it has to have grooves that's all this stuff assuming, well, he played with it, so he got this 3D printed club approved to be just special enough for this. The other thing about Bryson is he has a YouTube channel, he has big social media presence, and I love him, but he's very easy to make fun of because he's always messing with his equipment and has little tweaks with his driver and little tweaks with these clubs that have never been used before. He goes out to the Masters, he has a 3D printed club, he does not have a good time, He plays two not-that-great rounds and doesn't make the cut. So, of course, they ask him about this club. And, you know, when he's in a good mood, he's willing to break down all of the fun, interesting things about his club. So when he just missed the cut at the biggest tournament of the year with the Masters, he's just like, ah, yeah, it didn't work. It wasn't that good. That's really actually the tech angle of this, which is he literally tried to 3D print one of his clubs and make a specialized club just for this one tournament. What I think is even more interesting is the Masters itself is the least tech of any golf tournament in the world. And I wanted to conveniently use this to pivot to that. Which is, if you actually go to the Masters, it is the one sporting event on Earth, as far as I know, where smartphones are banned from the entire grounds the entire time. Isn't that the same with chess? Is that a sport? Well, okay, that was the thing that happened like a week or two ago. I don't think they're allowed on stage with the competitors. I'm saying the entire event. All of the audience, the patrons, all of the players, everyone there, nobody's taking photos with their phones because they're banned. And so when you see photos of the Masters, it is a golfer hitting a shot, and everyone, instead of holding their phones, is just watching. Wow. And it is just such a blast from the past and a really refreshing, weird, like, little piece of history every time they play the Masters. I give it a week until they're all wearing meta glasses. So that was one of the things that's actually come up is people are going to the Masters wearing those smart glasses. And everyone's going, hey, we got to protect Augusta and ban those glasses, too. Like, we really just need it to be as pure as possible. So that did come up quite a bit, but I think they will probably end up banning those glasses, too. uh it is a little bit scary slash possibly cultish the way they protect that course because if you are a youtuber for example youtube golf's gotten really big in the last couple years uh you play all the biggest courses in the world but if you go to play augusta no cameras allowed and you sign an nda and you can't talk about it what and it's like you can't talk about the course yeah you can't talk about the time that you played the course and so there's no video evidence of it and there's these signings and it's like this really weird thing where you see it on tv people there or something you see it on tv like to me every year on tv this course looks absolutely perfect the grass is the exact same shade of green as all the chairs that are on the course because they've matched those things like all of the the scoreboards are in the exact same places every single year it's this almost mythical course where if you ever do get the chance to go there you don't have a camera with you you don't have your phone you just kind of have to take it in wow and experience it and go home and that like the stone ages yeah and that's crazy that's what you leave with what is the benefit of that is it like to prevent cheating or something or they just want to keep this like or it's just definitely creates yeah there's also like just protects the integrity of the like historical nature of this it's it's just the only original golf event left like that Isn't there like extremely minimal ads? Like are there like six sponsors for the whole thing? Yes. So like the whole thing is just OG, OG. And the thing you brought up about the food, like the food is still the same prices that it was 50 years ago. It's still a dollar for a hot dog. Or like two bucks for an egg salad sandwich or something like that. Which is hilarious because people will go straight to the merch shop and spend $1,000 on shirts and hats and stuff because that's super limited. But a $2 hot dog. So it is very much a blast from the past and I appreciate that about it. Even though I'm a tech person, I do want to go to the Masters and just experience that. Where is it? It's in Georgia. Oh, Georgia. Yeah. If anyone from there is listening, your first video was about golf. My first ever video was about golf. Fun fact, I did get invited to go to this Masters, and I didn't because I wanted to be here on the pod with you guys. That's not the reason. That's the wrong choice, fuckers. I couldn't make it, but I hope I get invited next time because it looks sick. Can I go one more step off the rails into the most niche question possible? Yes. I probably could ask you this off the podcast, but since we're talking about golf anyways, I'm currently in a disc golf fantasy league, and we had a huge argument over the weekend over how to properly score things. So if you miss the cut by a lot, you're going to have a worse day four. If you pick someone who barely misses the cut, then you only get penalized a little bit. that would that would like scale i think properly we can talk more about this later because i don't want to totally but bo you're out there listening there it is tex marquez and i yeah i think it's so cute you think that's making it onto the pot anyway the masters is great i hope i get to go someday uh bryson is maybe the most unrelatable but also relatable golfer because i'm a tech person uh and he's also a youtuber so it's kind of a small world he's relatable because when i do bad at things i don't want to talk to anyone about it that's facts yeah totally reasonable super true all know that person who's like you know participates in a thing but is actually way more interested in doing some weird technical tweaky thing but i say when i say we all know that person i'm we all know we all know yeah anyway i think it's time for that last thing we do on every podcast go to the masters i wish but it's actually all recorded at the masters so has to be deleted and we signed an MBA. That would be wild. Would we be allowed to do a pod from the Masters with no cameras, like just audio equipment? I don't even... Would they allow that? I don't think so. Like this table on the green. Like six feet from the hole and they just have to golf around us while we're talking. That would be a live golf event. Oh my gosh. Guys, GoPro between 2016 and 2018 made a thing that was not a little tiny camera. I mean, yeah, it was not a little, it was not a hero, and it was not a mission. I'm so excited for that little thing. What was it? I feel like I should know this. What did they make? I think I have a solid educated guess. Not a liquid educated guess? No, this can't come out of my fingers. Depending on what's in this podcast, that's going to be really confusing. I mean, we did record that conversation. Andrew's referencing a conversation we had before the podcast where we were discussing what five liquids we would have dispensed from each of our fingers, which you will never hear. Yes. I have a feeling this is going to make somebody mad. This is probably Ellis or Adam. All right. Who wants to go first? I'm so mad at Marquez's already. I picked one that's probably not the answer you want, but maybe also technically correct. they made an underwater housing for the gopro not what i was the original gopros needed waterproof housing correct exactly they sure did this was not the answer so that's just part of the action camera isn't it probably a product that gopro made that's not the camera but it is am i like am i that pedantic with these questions have i ever let's see what the other answers are out of a yes really i might be the most correct let's see what they said my theory was gopro makes a bunch of stuff for people who do action sports that generally wear a helmet so maybe they made some sort of headphones that work well with helmets that's really interesting but i don't think they ever made headphones uh mine is obviously not true because i covered phones for like 15 years and i don't remember this but i put phones don't remember the gopro phone look i don't know they might have done some weird collab with some i don't know my my two or some weirder phones i was referencing the gopro karma which was a drone we did do a video on that I knew it. We did. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh, come on, guys. You can't be mad that I'm not giving. A drone is a camera, though. That's why I was like when I was like it wasn't a little tiny camera. Oh. But it kind of is a little tiny camera. Gotcha. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 21 after that incorrect answer. Andrew with 22 after getting that one wrong. And David with 25 after not getting the correct answer. Thanks. Okay, Mr. Thistle. Next question. 32 degrees Celsius is what in Fahrenheit? I'm accepting the answer to the nearest tenth of a decimal point without going over. Can we just do delta? Nope. It's so easy. I never said it was. I never said that. No, both of them were just backwards. I was wrong. That was my original question. Can you say it one more time? Now I'm confused. 32 degrees Celsius is what in Fahrenheit? Okay. Do you remember the formula? Oh, wait. I don't remember the formula. I remember part of the formula. Oh, I wish. Flip them and read. What do you got? Oh, is there a decimal in your number? Yes. I'm sorry. That's a decimal. Thank God. That's a fair question. You're actually answering Kelvin. Okay. Mark has you first. I said 98.6. Oh, I was going to say that's a really good guess because we're talking about body temperature. That's a really good guess. I wrote 101.5. that's like a radio station it is a really bad one in new jersey they're all bad losers whoa whoa new jersey is home the one of the nation's greatest radio stations i'm talking about wmfu okay or wfmu that's it wfmu don't talk smack about new jersey radio if you're wuph wfmu never mind it's okay i like 96.9 the eagle out of sacramento california classic rock All right, David, what'd you put? I put 74 degrees. Wrong, but you get the points because you didn't go over. So just under Marquez's? So I wrote in the bottom how previously we talked about how the 82 degrees Fahrenheit felt like 28 degrees Celsius. So I was trying to go with an approximation with that. Well, that was completely wrong. Well, I'm assuming you were still basing it off of the 82. Maybe not exactly, but a slightly different temperature. Because of the wind factor. Marquez had all the right digits just in the wrong order. It was 89.6. Oh. Damn, I went high. I just think it strikes again. Okay, isn't the calculation like times 5 ninths plus 12 or something? Degrees in Fahrenheit minus 32 times 5 ninths gives you Celsius. Got it. So you have to do that backwards to get there. So times 9 fifths minus 32? just for that i'm never using whatsapp wait what why we should just google it anyway why uh yeah because celsius people don't celsius people celsius people use oh you know everyone else thanks for referring to non-american celsius people as whatsapp it's whatsapp users are tell me i'm wrong you know you've never been more right thank you for watching and listening to this episode of the golf podcast. Ball golf podcast. The ball golf podcast. The original golf, obviously. 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