Bobby on Carter Faith’s Huge ACM Nom + Carter Faith On Being A Shy Kid & Wanting To Be A Big Deal

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Hey, everybody, Bobby here. I'm going to play something that I'm super proud of. And I think when she did the interview, she was starting to be known and I was a big fan of her, but she just got nominated for album of the year at the ACMs for Cherry Valley. And I think a lot of people were surprised not because she's not awesome, but because some people were like, huh, I haven't been introduced to her yet. So this was an interview that I really loved doing. I took her out on the road and she opened some shows, you know, when I was doing standup, just a massive fan. So I wanted to reintroduce Carter faith to you and then check out her music. She's awesome. So here she is newly nominated for an ACM award for album of the year. Here is Carter faith. Carter faith. Hello. Hello, Bobby. What, what cities were we together? We were in Wichita for two nights. I remember that because I wrote a song called two nights in Wichita when I got back. Yeah. Hmm. I remember you being really good. And I knew you're really good anyway. And then I know Topher who I did. I purposefully did not ask Topher Topher who produces rights. Yeah. Accurate for you. He produces all my music. Yeah. Yes. Um, I don't know if you're right with them at all, but I do. Okay. And so I purposefully did not ask him about you because I know it would just be raving reviews. Then you worked together. Um, but yes, absolutely. And so you're awesome. And I hope that my people were really nice to you. Oh my God, it was so fun. I thought your show was amazing. I think that's the first time I ever went to like a stand up show in my life. It was so good. And it was honestly like really touching to me. Oh, thanks. It was awesome. Thanks. Um, and so what's funny about you is that in person. Quite dimmier. Very dimmier. Very dimmier. Um, you know, you are a pretty soft spoken individual in human life. But God dang, when you sing and like you, it is like attitude central and how you write and how you sing, there's a flip there. Huh? Do you feel it? Um, I definitely do. I think, you know, I, I think I come off as soft spoken. I'm really like, I'm an analyzer. Like ever since I was little, my mom's like, you're a thinker. I'm always, I'm taking everything in, you know? So I feel like one of my superpowers is I just stay back in the room and see how people are kind of. So maybe it's not even soft spoken. Maybe it's just, you're just kind of waiting. Yeah. You're observing until you decide if you even want to be spoken at all. Yeah. I, it probably sounds weird for me to say this because this is my job, but I don't feel comfortable with like attention unless I want it. On the same way. Yeah. It's a weird thing to explain because obviously we want attention. This is what we're doing. I'm wildly introverted. I am too. Until it's time to work. And then I am overtly extroverted. It's like that one tiny part of yourself that can be like that. And you go all the way to that part of you. Quiet kid or loud, loud kid. What were you like as a kid? So quiet. Oh really? See, I was not. Um, yeah. But so, okay. Then I have a million questions. If you're a quiet kid, how you got here? How would you grow up? Uh, I grew up in a little town, Davidson, North Carolina, or Steph Curry. He's our claim to fame because he played at, uh, he played basketball at Davidson college and that's like the only celebrity we have. Do you remember him playing there? Yes. Um, cause they made it to the elite age. Yeah. They had to run. Yeah. And like the news came and we all got, I went to Davidson elementary, which was like a block away from Davidson college and we all got to leave school one day and go like beyond the news. It was so fun. It was like small town fame thing that never happens. So you're from, what's the name of your town again? Davidson. It is Dave. It is. And you went to Davidson elementary. Yep. Yep. And that college is in the town. Yeah. That college is in the town. So that you, so there must be a 10,000 people that live there at least, right? Yeah. Okay. It's a lot of, it's townies versus school kids. I think it's a weird place cause it's all the school kids. It's a really smart school. It's a very liberal town in the middle of a very conservative state. So it's just all those things. Why did you stay home and go to school? Or did you go to college? I did. I went to Belmont. Oh, so you came here for college? I did. So you did all the high school there. It's just confusing to me when there's a college in high school and elementary, all the same name. I know. Cause we have that here too with. Lipscomb. Lipscomb has elementary and Lipscomb University and that confuses me. It confuses me too. Cause I guess they're connected, but how are they connected? Went to a Lipscomb basketball game. Turned to be fourth graders. It wasn't even college. I was like, let's go. So, so it's confusing. I see you grew up in Davidson. Parents together. My parents are together. Right. Still? Yes. Older brother, sister. I have an older sister and a younger brother. How much older is your sister? My sister is four years older than me. About. So when you're, cause my mom got pregnant at 15, she had me. So when you say young parents, like I feel that on a deep level. So I understand how, what it was like having really young parents, but not really knowing cause that was all I knew. Yeah. I think it was kind of the norm more than it is now. And we're from small towns, which it was, but also for, in my situation, not normal for a 15 year old to get pregnant, regardless, unless it's like the 20s. But I know what it's like to have the young parents and, um, whenever adults, I mean, since whenever kids are required to do adult things, sometimes they still make kid decisions because they're still so young. Yeah. Meaning I remember my mom being 25. You're talking about 20. You know what I'm talking about? That's crazy. You're talking about 20, right? Right. 24. Right. Like my mom being a year older than you and I'm in fifth grade. So crazy. When I graduated. So, and then I look back and she just seems like such an adult to me, but I look at me now going, how in the world with somebody 21, 22, with a kid, grown kid, like, they're expected to make adult decisions and put themselves aside really every single second of every day. That is young, young, young parents. That is, that is a tough job for sure. Which I'm going to be in a very old parent. We don't have kids yet. We will have kids at some point, but I was always so terrified to have kids because I didn't want to be in that same situation where I was like, I don't want to like not have resources and be so terrifying anyway. Yeah. That aside from that too, but I want to tell you, I have some really dumb friends that have kids and do just fine. So like, it's like I have friends that are idiots that are pilots and it scares me, but I'm like, you know what? I feel okay. If they're idiots and pilots have never crashed, then I feel pretty good with most pilots. Yes. I feel, I've seen like people give their babies a bottle of Mountain Dew to drink. If they're thirsty, like that's where that's pretty funny. That's also like where I come from in Arkansas. Basically was milk. Like we're all going to be fine. What was your hometown like? Like, like, um, the school was it a three A four A? How big was your elementary high school? We, so elementary school was pretty small. Like I think my whole entire school life until I went to college was like a hundred kids per grade. I knew everybody. I mean, that's not super small, but that's not pretty small enough. Oh, my point with your sister was how old was your mom when she had your sister? My mom, I remember my dad was, because I remember there's photos of my sister at his college graduation. Really? Yeah. So it was like that age. Yeah. That's crazy to think about. And I mean, it's awesome now. We're all like best friends, like my parents are my best friends. They're everything to me. But yeah, I just think about all the things they did for us. They had to give up. They gave up everything. I realized the other day I was talking to someone. That was my dad super straight laced and works every day. Will work every day till he can't. But he played baseball growing up. And that's what he went to college for. That's how he got out of his small town with scholarship for baseball. And I was like, oh my God, he was a dreamer. That's a dream. And I, they gave that up just to be parents and take care of their kids. It's funny, you can appreciate the dreamer part of it, because you're also a dreamer. Yeah. Right. And anytime that you want to do something that people around you haven't done, that's bigger than not only yourself, but anyone around you, that's, that's chasing a dream. For sure. And yeah. And now here you are doing it. How do they feel about you moving to Nashville? They're so supportive. They, I was just thinking, I mean, I was coming here today, so I was thinking about my myself and I think about that every time I come here to myself. What a coincidence. Yes. Me again. And I was just thinking how they, every single time I got on the stage growing up, I literally to be pushed onto stage. So they saw something in me way before probably they could even put that into words. And so they pushed me to come here. They. What do you think they saw in you so early than if you were, I won't say reluctant because if you just didn't want to do it, you wouldn't have done it and they wouldn't have made you do it. They saw that I was, it was fear, you know, because again, I was super quiet. My mom always called me cautious growing up like my little brother. If we, we spent a lot of time at the beach cause I'm from near the beach and he would be in the water and I would scream my head off. I was like, someone go take care of him. Like that's my personality. So I was so scared to be on any stage, have people looking at me. Why do they think initially, or why did you think initially you'd want to be on stage? Cause it had to start. Yeah. Some spark had to create interest. I think something my parents tell me is I would just sing at the top of my lungs in the back seat of the car when you drive around to the radio. Cause you, that's your parents. Like that doesn't feel like an audience when you're super little. And I think they could just tell I could carry a tune and I would set up little concerts for my stuffed animals in my room. I remember I sang, leave the pieces by the records, like till that song was in the ground, you know? Um, and I just think they had a feeling that there was something in me. I was obsessed with reading and like reading out loud and words. Like when I was, couldn't even read. That's how I learned to read was like reading to myself. I don't know. It's really weird cause we'll talk about it now. And they're like, I don't know. You just had that bone in your body that you were going to leave this place. Was anybody musical in your family? My dad's mom was musical. She was a cruise ship singer. And we don't really talk. I mean, it was never something I knew though, until like trying to know who's musical in my family. And then my little brother is musical. He loves piano and writing little songs. And as I'm older, I see how many more people in my family are creative. Like my aunt loves to paint my two of my cousins love to sing, but none. They've never took in the leap to go do that. So that seems different to me. In high school, were you the musical kid? I was the secret musical kid. I didn't want anyone to know my, like it was very weird to me because my, my real name is Carter faith Jones, but in high school, I went by Carter Jones, obviously. So I made a YouTube channel that was Carter faith. And it really bothered me when people found that out and would like call me Carter faith at school. And I don't know, just people knowing that I could do that or that I cared about it was really embarrassing for me. I wonder why you wanted to make the channel yet. You didn't want people to know you made the channel, but it wasn't only people that you knew. Yes. People that I knew that's my, because that was, that's vulnerable. Yes. Very vulnerable. If people you know, then can judge you and you're, that, that, that's, so, so I, I understand that. Do you feel like your early, your answer is going to be no for sure. Do you feel like your early YouTube work was a quality? No, not quality, but I look back and I'm like, I can sing and I like, I don't even look up like I'm like, you know, clutching my guitar for dear life as usual, but I don't know. There's something there. And I think back and I always would dream of this. Like this was what I wanted, even if I didn't even admit it to myself really for a while. Whenever you decided to come to Nashville to go to college was it, I'm going to, I want to go to Nashville, but the safe way to go to Nashville is to go to college. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And my family is very passionate about education. So my dad is like, I will pay your rent if you get a degree. You cannot drop out. I tried to drop out one million and 18 times and I didn't. And they're very, they love that. They love that. I got my degree. Um, but yeah, that was how I was coming here for sure. Was it safer to you if you came for college? Cause you were going to go to school. Sounds like regardless. And if you're, if you thought I want to be a singer, that's like a half commit to Nashville. It's a full commit to go to college here, but it's like a half commit to the music industry. Yeah. Was there a little safety in? I was like, I'll be a songwriter. That's safer. I'll write the four songs that I need to, to go and get into this program. And that's what I did. What do you mean? See, you come and get into the songwriting program here. I got into songwriting program. There's a teacher there, Drew Ramsey, who was like really important to me because he would tell everyone in class. He's like, guys, there's quiet killers in here. Like we're talking about. He's like, go write with Carter. She's quiet. That doesn't mean she's not a good songwriter, which that like, I don't know. I think so many times like that in Nashville really got me out of my comfort zone, like an adult that I needed. Having to co-write with folks you didn't know. Yeah, that's literally skin crawling. It's like a first date though. Yes. I mean, that's what it is. Totally. But and I would say with no chance of looking up, but that's also not true. It's not true here. But, but yeah, it's, it's, it's bizarre because here you are. And let's say they match you and I have a like Bobby and Carter are going to go right. And it's like, okay, well, not only is it people think, okay, we just sit together and write a song, but know how you get to the point of writing a song, a concept. Why do you feel this about the concept? What is the personal, you're literally sharing semi to intimate details with somebody that you don't know. And yeah, that's awkward. And I can understand how it would be awkward for you to come to town to be like, Oh boy, here we go. Well, what I would do is I would prepare like basically a whole entire song and like spit it out in pieces to act like I was writing it in the room. That's like people that freestyle, but they already have it all prepared in their head. That would be me. They're like, let me lay this down. Let me, let me go off the dome and then they just nail it. But you know, they had the whole thing. No, I'm such a liar. That's funny. Yeah. I'm such a liar. Hang tight. The Bobby cast will be right back. Yeah. And we're back on the Bobby cast. Did you ride at home at all? Like growing up? Yeah, like, right? Cause there weren't a, probably weren't a lot of song writers around. No song writers. I, I got to the point where I would play long cover gigs at the bar in my hometown, it's called old town public house. And no one was in there. It's just my family and the bar goers. And I would play like four hour cover gigs. They'd pay me like a hundred dollars, maybe. And, um, I would start, I would just get sick of them. I would play songs twice, like at the beginning and the end. So I was like, I should write some songs. I always wrote poetry growing up. Like I always had a journal carrying around with me. I loved reading. I just love words. So I'd write poetry a lot. And then one day, one day I just wanted to put a song that I wrote in my set and not tell anyone, like put it in the middle, sneak it in. And so that's what I kind of started doing, just to see how people reacted and stuff. Did you learn to play piano? Yeah, I did. When? Um, I did the normal piano lesson thing as a kid. I hated every second of it. I'm not good with like authority and practicing. So they were like, okay, we're not going to force you to do this because you're wasting our money basically. Did you then do it more because they weren't making you do it? Yes. Yeah, I tell you, that's a messed up thing that I'll, I'm sure I'll work on it some point, but it's got me here. Yeah. I think acknowledging that it exists more than working on it because it's what's gotten here and it's kind of your superpower now. And it's also given you what your voice is. You have a pretty rebellious voice. What's crazy about you and your music and what you do when you, like I like you as a person. And again, we've spent some time together outside of this. I like you and you're easy to like and you're super nice. But again, you're like a freaking firecracker when it's showtime. Like I would be scared of you. If I just saw you perform, I'll be like, there's no way. That is hilarious. I feel like someone on my team recently told me they're like, I like, I'm intimidated by you. Yeah, no, that is hilarious to me. That's that's truth because you have, you're dominating on stage. Thank you. Yeah. And so I'll be like, oh, no, no, no, she's way cooler than I am. I'm not going to even go up and say if it were the case. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I think back to like my music for me is a place I can go that I can't go any other time and I don't feel comfortable going there all the time. And so I put it in my music and it's just like, I mean, it's escapism, I guess. You come to town, you were in school, you're writing songs. Did you feel like you liked writing songs or was that to you something? It was fine, but it was a conduit to get to the performance. Like, where did that all kind of fall in your head? I love writing songs. That's my I will die writing a song. Probably I just feel like that's what I'm here to do. And that's what like, that's how I communicate with myself and with anything else. The performance thing again, like that is the hardest part of this business for me. But one of my favorite parts, because there is nothing and I'm sure you feel this way too. There's nothing like seeing someone in the audience who you know is connecting with you and you know is having a great night and you're just there with them as humans. That's like so special to me. So I didn't know how I would feel about performing, but I'm learning to love it and to get used to that. It's just an uncomfortable feeling for me. How about the vulnerability in music when you write the song? And has that been a growth process for you where you just kind of weighed in more and more and more? I that's another thing like I don't I can't lie in my music. I lie a lot in real life. Like that's what I say to like I'm full of crap until I lie a lot. I'm a good liar. I love telling people I'm a bad liar. But in my music, I'm so honest, I think. And just really emotional and vulnerable because that's the type of music I love. And that's what I started writing for was that feeling that I needed to get out. So it's almost like because it's music, it's like a veil I can hide behind. It's just how it goes. That's the obviously that's the microphone for me. It feels fake. Yes, it's not. And it's I can have. And I mean, you said how I feel in that I can have conversations like this conversation. Now we're having if we took the microphones away. I don't think I would be able to have this intimate conversation and be this vulnerable if we're just sitting here talking. I would not be able to do that. I get that because this microphone is here. It's not real. I totally get that even though it's real. Yes, it's not real. I would never be like, what's up? It's good to see you. Let's talk about that. Sad, happy family. Even if we I know no, I this is the Superman Cape. Yes, like events here are my hell. Absolute hell. I will be in the corner the entire time, sucking down a drink, not talking to anyone. Do you ever think people feel and I asked this because I get this about me. People feel because you're like that, that maybe you're rude. One. Yes. And they're like, oh, she thinks she's too good. When in reality, it's like, I don't want to bother anybody. Yes, I'm like, like I went on. This is such a stupid story, but I went out on the road with my friend Ella Langley. I got to open two shows for like two weeks ago and she let me ride her bus. That is so nice. A lot of people do not do that. I'm like, I'm exhausted getting home from this because my whole like self dialogue was am I in the way, am I in the way when they asked me to come? That's how I feel. That's literally how my brain works. That. When when you did Kansas with us, did that offer for you to fly back with us? I don't know. I think you had too many people in enough seats because I think I did. I'm sure you did. And I'm sure I was like, what I wonder. That's what I wonder when I said that was if you ended up saying because I. We flew back and I know I was like, hey, Steve Carter wants to fly back with us, but then you had a player and maybe. I'm so I was like too many. But even but even then it's like, but I feel the same way. Yeah. Unless I'm really close to them or I'm like supposed to be on. I totally get it because otherwise I feel like I'm just in the way. And why would anybody want to hang out with me? Yes. Why do we hate ourselves like this? That's OK. It's such an insecurity, though, that creates what we're able to do at the same time. So when I started going to therapy and when I started to really get into therapy, I was like, I don't want to get to therapy because I don't want to lose my super power. And he was like, don't be an idiot. Don't be an idiot. He's like, he's like, you're so broken. Don't worry about it. You're still going to be. I'm not going to be able to fix you. You graduated school here. I did. Yeah. Why'd you want to quit so many times? Like what was the was it to do music? Was it you just tied to school? I think also when I got to town, I was like, there was a quiet confidence in me where I was like, oh, I'm good at this. I have this in me. Um, so I started writing. That's another thing about my family. My dad is like, you're going to write every day you're there. You're going to ask anyone who write with you to write with you. You're going to play every show. Like that's just how their brains worked business. And so that's what I did. And eventually, like, I guess, like probably two years into being here, people like Liz Rose were DMing me back and writing with me and like shit like that. And so by the time I was done with school, I had a publishing deal offer. I was like, get me out of here. I'm ready to like move on. When did you start to gain confidence in yourself? In Nashville? Oh, was it in comparison with others? And not that you were comparing yourself, but you would actually see other people do their thing and go, oh, I don't feel so small. Like I can do this. Or did you have did you have it before you got here? I think what was really. Momentous, what's the word? Monumental for me was. There were there would be publishers that would come into our songwriting class and listen to all our songs. And I remember feeling like kind of outcast because I didn't write with a lot of the other Belmont people. I didn't like make friends in college again, back to, you know, knew everyone my whole life. So when I came to college, I was like, OK, I'm scared. And so I would write by myself or write with people in town. And I think it was really special for me because people like actual Nashville publishers would come into our class and they would always notice me. And that was when I would get noticed by people actually in town. And I was like, OK, maybe I don't have. What Belmont has right now. And I thought that was a negative. But maybe I have what Nashville wants and I can go right in town. And I'm doing something right. Like I'm writing the way that actual writers write instead of still learning. Like I'm just diving into the deep end because I didn't write since I was like an eight year old writing songs, like wanting to do this. I feel like I just went in super naive and that was really helpful for me. And so those publishers would let me write with their signed writers. And people just kind of lifted me up while I was still in school. And I think that gave me confidence. People giving me confidence, you know? Yeah, but this town doesn't give anything. Yeah, that's true. So I would say any confidence they gave you was earned because this is a very value based town. They must have seen value in you in some way that you could help them in some way. They're a couple good ones. But this is a business. Sounds a business. No, I've I've learned that. So I don't want you to get because you're good. It's definitely wasn't anyone doing you any charity, but it's people recognizing. Yeah. And that recognition, though, was really great for me just because my parents love what I write. My friends love what I write. But who cares about that? You know, yeah, most parents and friends love what their friends write. What about singing? Were you we're doing vocal anything in school? I was like singing class. I don't know. No. Do they have those? They have vocal classes, right? But they are they like opera or do they have like country? You can major in voice at Belmont, but you have to take opera classes. But can you do voice? Can you do like country music voice? I don't think so. Yeah, I don't either. I mean, I don't know what they would teach. I guess what do they teach in songwriting, though? They teach a lot. But what do they teach in songwriting? We we did a lot of like analyzing songs, which I think is smarter than like being like this is your rhyme scheme, because that's just, you know, you need to know those rules to break up. It's got rhymes on rhymes on dot com. Seriously, rhymes on dot com. There's your go, you know, looking for rhyme. If you need to be taught how to rhyme, type it in something there. Seriously. So you evaluate songs or not evaluate, but you listen to songs and then try to understand what made them what made it good. Like I remember we listened to Space Cowboy by Casey and we were just all like this is just simple, simple, beautiful. Like there's complex part here, this melody here. Like that's what we do, which I think is helpful. That's super cool. Yeah. What what artists. Do you hear maybe not even artists as a word? I think artists were not singers. What artists do you hear that kind of speak for you? And I asked that because I I always had favorite artists and singers and stuff. But when I was in my 20s or so, like John Mayer would say stuff and I would be like, Oh, I think that. Oh, this is somebody who's like songwriting my thoughts. I never had that happen before. Yeah. And there are comedians that will say things and I'm like, Oh, I thought that. I just didn't say that in that way. Near as funny and nearest compelling as they did. But like there's who what artist did that for you? I think like early Miranda Lambert. That was my bad ass side, you know, and then Casey Mascraves. I remember hearing Mary go around in a Walmart parking lot and I made a stay in the car till we listened to the whole thing for the first time. Just people like that. They're just talking about small town, normal life, because that is what most of America is. And that's definitely the life I lived was just normal life with these like very intense feelings that all creatives have that all people have probably. So it was definitely a lot of Casey Miranda, Pistol Annie's always. Have you met Miranda? I have not met Miranda. Very simple. You guys are very similar. Just in. Yeah. I'm lucky enough to know Miranda relatively well at this point. She just seems real and very soft spoken and quiet. Yeah. And unless she's like doing her thing, that's not her thing. Yeah. It's it's it's pretty wild because again, she is such a freaking firecracker. Yeah, she is. She's I want her to like stand up for me, you know, in a bar. I want her to be on my side and she would and she'd cut somebody to. Yeah. But other than that, she's just quiet Miranda, who's really not going to get in anybody's way and be a wallflower a bit as well. A lot of similarities there. Yeah, I just like to observe and you can tell that in her music, I think, too, which is why it's not just that bad outside. It has that like real person side, too. Congrats on signing a deal. Thank you. When did you get that news? Was it a long work in progress where you kept hoping developing with that? Um, I think my long work in progress has been like finding people on my team that I trust. So I've gone through some managers. I've gone through some people on my side. And so that was kind of a long time coming. I learning how to trust people in this business is really hard. Because what? How can I trust any of you? Very transactional place and everybody's your best friend until it's not easy to be your best friend, which that's business and it is business. But you're right. It feels very it's very personal. It feels way more personal than it actually is, especially at first, because I felt I fell under those shrapings at first. I was like, Oh, this person, this is my best friend. Yes. And then it turns out it's not. Then you go to all the other labels and they all have their same feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I'm learning how to clock people quicker, which is helpful. But I think my experience with Universal Nashville all has to do with Hannah Wilson and Cindy Maeve there. Hannah Wilson, I've known her since I was still at school and she just loved what I did and would come to my shows and come to my CMA Fest, Dead of Heat show, you know, that no one was there. And then when I met Cindy Maeve, she just, she just liked what I did. Like, she's like, I don't need you cutting out such songs. I like your voice. I need your voice. I think it's important. And when you're a songwriter, that just speaks volumes. And then there's a woman there, Chelsea Blythe, who I love so much to. She's from LA and she has just a whole different view on country music, which I think we're seeing is very important. When you sign a deal, one, what does that mean now? But were you nine, six, three months working toward this specific deal with these specific people? Were you wondering, I wonder if they're going to sign me or was it just like a random call? Hey, Carter, you want to do? Yeah, I'm on. I mean, what is that? What is that process? And what's the bill that's different for everybody? What was yours like? Mine was like, I met with a lot of labels and they all act interested, you know, and then you like keep, and then you're like, do am I interested in them? It is like, I felt like I was a bachelorette, you know, which is so weird. And because I'm not this TikTok viral girl, like I don't have these like crazy, they're not going to give me like $5 million, you know? So I'm like, they have to care about my music and I have to feel that. They need a long term invest in you. Yes, I'm trying to do this my whole life. This is my career. So I think I met with a lot of LA labels. I met with a lot of Nashville labels. And I basically at one point just told Universal, which is this is probably bad business on my half, but I was like, I'm only going to sign with you guys. So it's now or never, like let's go. And it was done in like a month. Were other labels making you different offers or was there that? Wow. But that's pretty cool. And it doesn't mean all the offers are good. No fair or yes, but that's cool. No, that is really freaking cool. Like, I don't know, I'm just I'm just a girl and you guys want to give me money to make music. That's pretty cool. Were you hesitant to sign at all? Yeah. Um, just because I again, I don't like authority. This is very personal to me. All the things I just, it's scary to put your, like my heart and soul in someone else's hands. That's what it truly feels like. But I also, that's what I needed to level up. I thought about it a ton and that's what I decided I needed to get to that next level so I can keep going. Did you do the thing where you took the picture with the papers in front of you? Yeah, I did. I was like, I expect you all there. Yeah. Everybody's around you and that you take the picture. How long ago did you take the picture? That was in March, I think. And then do you get to post it right away? Or it's like, we got to hold on to what you officially announced it. I think I posted it right away. Yeah. I also don't really ask permission for a lot of things. So I'm just like, sorry, it's announced. I felt that. Yeah. And so when you sign with the label, do they say when, if you sign, we'd love to have you here is our version of a long, the long-term strategy we would do with you. Yeah. Cause like an agency, I switched agents recently a year and a half ago. And I was, I liked my agency, CAA, but my personal agent had gotten so big in the political world representing people that I felt a bit lost because her specialty wasn't television, which is what I was doing. And so she was like, I'm so I said, Hey, I'm going to talk to other agencies. There's a little opening on us. And all of them were like, come to us. WM, it was all right. They're all like, but they all had a different version of what their offerings were. Yeah. And I ended up signing with UTA. That's my agent now. But I liked their long term. And they said, okay, look, we're signing now, but in three months, six months, 12 months, this is what, where some of them were just like, if you sign with us, we're going to be rocking immediately. And I'm like, that's kind of bull crap. You're like, I see you. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's like, that sounds really good. But that's kind of bull crap. Yes. Where's the label situation similar? And what about where you signed? Did you work? Like, what was the plan? What did I tell you? Oh my God, my favorite thing for people to say is like, I mean, are we doing this or not? And I'm like, we're not so sorry. Um, I think my, the plan with them is like, I'm trying to be a big fucking deal, you know, and I am going to work for that. And this is what I love. And I'm going to want to do that. Are you, are you going, I need to, I need to single out tomorrow whenever this happens, or are you going, I need you guys to let me find that, that I think is that single we need tomorrow, whenever that day comes. I came in with an album that I wanted to record. And so I was like, this is my album that I want to record. I'm still writing. I write three times a week. Um, but I need to know that you guys are going to let me put out an album next year. And because I need to put out music. I think that's the game now is being frequent. I need your guys's help getting me on tours or just helping me get out in front of real people, stuff like that. And I also, I feel like what I really loved about Universal is that they just appreciate my point of view. Like they're not going to tell me I can't say certain word or say something a certain way. And I'm very clear about that in meetings. So I think just, I just love that they respect me and I respect them. Feels like that. What I appreciate about you is not what your point of view is, is that you have one, right? Like I don't need to agree with anyone's ideas or point of view or for art. Yeah. But I do really love when people have one and one that is 93% formed already. I'm always about 93%. I, I always change in. Yeah. A little bit, right? And so do you feel like that's what they liked about you? I think so. Is that not so much exactly what you said in the agree with everything about what the deep, but they were like, Oh, we just like this. She freaking has an idea of what she wants and who she is. I think so. I mean, I'm like, I'm going to have weekly meetings. Like this is what I expect. That's freaking awesome. But my parents are business people. So they're like, you know, I think that's why I've been successful in a way is because I've had both those points of view. All right. It's a little different song, a little different for me. It sounds a little different. It's very different. What's up? Um, so honestly, me and Topher, we made, like I was talking about the album I brought to Universal that I want to record. We had made album before that. Um, and again, like management switched up. I was like, I don't feel comfortable releasing this album. It doesn't feel like me anymore, but there was a lot of songs we recorded that I really loved and all right was one of those. And I just felt like it's not like I'm on country radio and I need to be any sort of thing right now. Like I just love this song and I want to put it out. And we say it feels like the Willy Wonka soundtrack with like on a Del Rey vibes. And I love both of those things. I love, I just love a lot of other influences artistically than country. Like I am country, but I like playing into all those other influences as well. And the irony is. That's most people in the same irony is. Businesses, corporations, executives don't really feel safe doing that. Yeah, which was my struggle when I moved to town was here I come. I don't wear cowboy hat. I don't have a belt buckle and it's like I played hip hop on my show. I did it, but again, I'm from mountain pine Arkansas. Like the red. Yeah. And the trailer party, like there's different kinds of country. There's cowboy country. There's so many. There's redneck hillbilly country, which is what I was, right? White trash country. Yes. And so, you know, I come to town, but I have a background in hip hop and pop and alternative. And but I'm as country as you could possibly be, but this town was not warm to it for a long time because it was just so it was different. But the thing was, it wasn't different. And my like this is this is what everybody is. Yes. But it feels like that your story has so much parallel with that is that that's what your your. Sensibilities are the normal person. Yes, your country, but you also love landed L. Ray or insert other artists. It's not country and you can still be country and have all that. And I've seen so many female country artists talk about being put in a box and I just don't want to start off on that foot. I feel like I can not be put in a box if I don't start in the box. So that's something I'm like super passionate about doing. What words do people not want you to put in songs? What words have you put in song? Do you have songs? Yeah. But is that my do you feel like that's saving that bad anymore? No, I don't think that's exactly. I don't either because I feel like that's just the vernacular. And also it's like just Sabrina Carpenter or a judge. You just heard an example because that's a very, very current example. Like in please, please, please. I mean, the F word, even Taylor. Yeah. I mean, they're throwing it's not a thing. It's just a bunch of 45 to 60 year olds that wasn't a thing that are like, well, we can't do this because it was never done that way before. But it's just not the same anymore. No. And I think girls, like not girls, like people my age see that and that's how we talk. I agree. So I agree. I just need people who are like, OK, that is real. That is real. What's a lyric you have with the F word in it? He only fucks with the strong stuff. Like drinks or women or. Yeah, both songs about both. What song is that strong stuff? Is that the only song you have the effort in it? I say fuck in Carolina Burns, too. What's the what's the context of that? Nothing sticks around like a fucked up crown. Do you were either one of those songs ever going to be in your like whatever they call a single now? Like did you make it like another like a that's another thing edited version? I didn't really realize that like to have a clean version, you have to have a whole another master. Oh, I didn't know that. You can't just mute it. Or like. So I was like, no, I'm not going to give you clean version because I can't pay for another master. I didn't know that. Yeah, it's not crazy. This time. Did you know that? No, I thought you just like or just like mute it. Yeah, just mute it. You would. And that it's like point to like version two of the same. I know. You write three times a week now, still more. Yeah, three usually is the good number. What are you writing about most right now? Like just conceptually what what what's I I'm like finishing writing for this album that I'm about to start. Like what emotion are you feeling most like most of your songs are fall even if you don't write them? Oh, yeah. Most of your things are happy to sadness anger jealousy. Like where are you right now? Well, so I date another artist. So it's a lot of like I love you, but we're probably not going to end up together, you know, that like honest feeling. I'm not going to ask if it's not known. Is it known? Yeah, his name and we have a song together. OK, then OK. Yeah, his name is Tyler Halverson. He's a Texas country artist. Let me see. Let me see what this guy looks like. Yeah, yeah. That medium. That's not him. I'm not a different guy. I'm at a different guy. No, as a guy who worked. No, no, no, Tyler Halverson. Yes. Oh, yeah. He's definitely got a vibe about him. He's on the road every weekend because he does the whole Texas reggae role, you know. So I'm like writing a lot about missing him and if he's talking to Hoes and shit like that. I like this guy. To be honest, I don't know anything about him, but you know, I like about him. Yeah, he looks. Legitimate as the artist that he is. He also like has a little softness, like a little nerd, like kind of like a little as it is. I'm gentle. Yeah, there's something about him that's not just like I'm an angry cowboy. And I don't know. There's a lot of country music right now. It feels like you're just being yelled at. Is he wear prescription glasses? Yes, he does. I like that, too. I think that's why I like him. He's really bad eyesight. I can kind of tell something's up there. He sticks together, huh? Look at that. And how long you guys been together? Like a year and a half. So going pretty good. Yeah, he's the best. I mean, he live here. He lives here. Yeah, he it's just nice to talk to someone about things that they get. And it's not like someone you're competitive with. The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the Bobby cast. Have you had day to day changes since you've signed a deal? Is it feel the same right now? But you're expecting like when you're done it to be different? Yeah, it better be different, right? I'm like here. Right. Better help. My day to day is just different because I have to ask more people. If I should do something or ask for forgiveness, if I did something wrong. So like more I have to answer to more people, but I guess they're kind of answering to me. That's the mindset I'm taking. You have management? I do. Yeah. Who is it? I'm with range. And so did you have the whole my struggle for a long time? I felt like I was working for them. I know. And then I was like, oh, hope I it took me a long time to realize then I got to be like, I have to make it like they were working for me. Now I'm in a really good spot where we work together. Yes. But they're not my boss. But I felt like for a long time like I was like, I don't want to get in trouble with my management. No, I know. Did you have that cycle? I'm a little girl. You're not, you're not following me with that one. But yeah, because that's a weird thing. It's not like they're older than you. Oh yeah. I mean, I think what again, what helped me is too bad experiences with other managers. I had to learn how to fire someone. Okay. So you did. So you did have the struggles early on. Oh yeah. Pretty rough. And I had to be a big girl and make a decision and get out of that situation or, you know, all the things. So I went into deciding who my manager would be very headstrong. And I was just like, I'm Carter Jones. This project is Carter faith. I want Carter faith to be all of ours. But like I'm the president. You how long did it take you to be that? Um, I started out with them like that because. With your current. Yeah. So what the first one? Oh my God, I don't say who it is or anything like that. No, no. But where and in my mess ups too, and some of them were my fault, I didn't know. I did things wrong. Yeah. Oh my God. I think you probably have experiences. I think everyone has like assuming someone's on the same page as you is my biggest mistake. Mine also is assuming they're doing as much work and as caring as much as I am. They're not. And they're not. And the actualization is of course they're not. Of course they're not. Of course they're not. Yes. But they weren't doing it even as much as I thought they should have anyway. Yeah. So I had to go first of all, no one's going to work as hard for me as me because I'm the only me. Yes. However, they're not doing crap. I know like separating that is a thing. Yeah. And yeah, just in this business, everyone has their own opinions. It's like everything is taken personally at a time, you know. You ever read the Four Agreements? No. It's a very, it's so easy. It's like a very, very, very thin book you can read in an hour. But when you say that, I usually read it once a year. And one of them is don't take anything personal in business. It's very, very hard for me to do because I'm so insecure, which creates wild competitiveness that I take everything personally and want to burn everyone down because they're my enemy if we're not the same. No one can have it but me. Absolutely. Yes. And anybody I've ever competed against, I hate them. And then I realize as I get older, maybe I don't have, but I do have that. And I still have that in me that I have to fight sometimes. But the Four Agreements is tremendous because it is just like the whole section of it is don't take anything personal in business because they're not doing it to be personally a dick. If they are, that's a different situation. But I had to learn that. And that's tough because I took everything personal and business because business was so personal to me. Yes. And it's got to be personal to you because you're right. So much of what you do is personal. Like what you're writing about, like your product is personal. Yes, I'm like, don't disrespect my art. This is like my child, you know. And to them, it's not their child. They don't see that. It's business. They can't see it that way. And you know what? That's what they're supposed to do. They're supposed to see it like business. Yes. Yes. And it's finding that right dynamic. And I feel like I've found that like range is so my current managers, they're so professional in that way. It's business, but they respect me as a person and an artist and a creative. And that's like, I don't know, that's just hard to find. But I think also everyone's it's like a relationship. Like everyone's dynamic is going to be different. Cherry Valley show. Yes. How about that? Yeah. So there's more to come on what that means. But basically, I just wanted to put together a show. That's the only headline show I've ever done headline. And I just wanted to sing with my friends and my band. I just put together an awesome band that I love. And there are some of my closest friends. And I just wanted to put out a show in Nashville where my family could come. My friends could come to be honest. And I think I want to do some more of those because it was just awesome and fun. I love Ashley Monroe. Yes, she's like my sister. She does. Do we talk about Carter when Ashley was here at all? I think so, yeah. I've known Ashley for a long time. And I was telling Ashley because there were there were a few years we didn't talk and actually get sick for a while. And and we didn't talk because for any we didn't talk because we weren't talking. Yeah, but just grow apart, grow marriage, all for her. But I was telling her was I know we haven't talked in a long time, but I don't feel like we haven't talked. Yeah. Like that's how much I like value her. She's like a spiritual person to me for sure. Lucas Nelson. I met Lucas in California and. And I knew of his music and I listened to it a little bit and then I knew it was in the real the whole deal. And we were at it. He plays golf. He's a big golfer. Yeah. So we were at the Pebble Beach Pro-Am and both of us were. Two of the celebrities there by exactly were wildly famous. And. Lucas is friends with one of my friends. And so we kind of were in the group together. And the first night of. The event they everybody that has like a skill or a talent goes up and it's just entertaining. So, you know, so he gets up, like a couple of songs and make it up. And so Lucas, like I want to go, I'll go up and do some songs. And so he goes up for like three. Oh my God. Right. Oh, it's completely different. Oh my God. It was like my wife and I were like, what just happened here? It just comes out of him. It's pretty crazy to watch. And so any such a lovely kind guy. Because then after that, we got to know him more because that was just like, he was so good. And then we're in a land of giants. We get to see great people all the time. We live where everybody great comes. And still it was like when I watched Lucas play, I was like, that's an alien. Yeah. That's an. So how do you know Lucas? So there's this house in West Nashville, I guess. I guess I shouldn't say where it is. But it's a pretty large area. Yeah, it's pretty large area. It's this old house that's kind of falling apart. But a lot of people I know live in it. That's how I met my boyfriend because he used to live there. Ashley has a writing spot there. Lucas, that's where his Nashville spot is. Meg McCree, Ben Chapman, a lot of hippies called the hippie house. So they all write there. So I just would go over there all the time. And it's like, feels like the 70s. You're like, there's back porch. We're all smoking on and hanging out. And I think that's just the type of people I gravitate towards. Like, I love that you said alien because I. There's a lot of creative people in this town, but I really gravitate towards people who are like, it's bleeding out of them. And like, they have to do this because it's in them, not just for any other reason. And so that's how I met him. We, I think, honestly, I was writing upstairs with Ashley Monroe and Connie Harrington and Lucas knocked on the door to see if we had coffee or something. And he was holding a guitar and just sat down and started writing with us. It's the first time I met him by the end of the song. We're like, oh, you weren't even in here before. But it's just that like the inertia of creativity is always in that house. Which is cool. Another person that played, I'm talking about the last show that I think is so special and lover and I would take a pellet for not a bullet, not a bullet, but a pellet, a pellet, a paintball. Is Jillian Jacqueline? Yes. Like I took Jillian to a bunch of shows with me like two tours ago. Yeah, because I think I when I was going out with you, I asked her about it. She's like, he's best. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. Not creepy at all. He's like, he's like, he's super mean. Yeah. Well, I just would also get like, not me. I don't mean I don't get this, but I that's good. The F people you can ask because this town's weird, man. Yeah. It's like some dudes like a coming. Yes. You know, yeah. So I know, yeah. We know the truth. So you're not creepy. I'm not. I don't think I'm creepy at all. So thank you for validating my thought that I am not. You hear that? But yeah, Jillian is really amazing. She's awesome. And she's an unreal songwriter. And she's Topher's sister-in-law. That's right. So it's just that God of Love incest. Well, they don't do it. No, no, no. Yeah, no. But that it's incestual, but not really. Not like Arkansas, not like where I'm from, where we do it with our family. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's how you got here. Yeah, exactly. How else would I be here? You know, what school is I do know you and I've seen you play and I've heard your voice. Not even just singing voice, but I've heard your voice, what you speak for, what you speak at. People are going to love you. Thank you. It's just a matter of time. And sweet. It's the strategy of what you're deciding, what your label decides. It's like people are going to love you. There are certain people that I meet in this town. What's two stories and just pops into my head. One, Ella was on the show yesterday. We haven't aired it yet. But when that song started to blow up and they weren't like put it ready, I just started playing it because I was like, this is a good song. And I love and it's different. Exactly. Like, thank you for giving us something different. It's an awesome. Exactly. And I was like, this is fun and really good. Yeah. Because of course she's talking in it, but then the chorus, it's great. And so I played the song and it's not like I found the song. It blew up. Um, but I started playing the song a little bit and I was like, let's get her up here. And so she came up and Riley was up with her yesterday too. But. Some real, she has texture about her. Yeah. She's a badass. Yeah. Yes. And. Real country girl right there. And like said stuff. Yeah. She's smart. And there's a difference in coming in to doing a fine interview and answering questions and saying things. Then coming in and she just was like, this is why I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna say stuff and not, she wasn't like worried about it. Like it was, that was refreshing. As far as I might ever met her. She's a refreshing person. And when you mentioned her earlier, I was like, let me pin them and come back to that because she, but, um, she, and I'm going to put you guys in a category here. Um, I didn't know her. She had the song blow up. Somebody that I met probably seven years ago and I've been a diehard fan of her as a creative and she's just now starting to pop. And she was on my show today. We recorded with her is Cassie Ashton. Love. And seven years ago, I'm like, thank you for all catching on. Right. It's crazy. I was so blown away by her then and I would have her come and she'd play with Ryan and she'd play shows with me and I would be amazed that nobody else was so amazed. She was a huge deal. Yeah. I would be like, how are people missing this? I don't get that. And, but now she performed today. And again, she's now she's got to, she's, it's hitting for her. And I just always felt like, I don't know what the wind needs to be like, but people are going to love her because she's definitely different. Yes. She's her, she is herself. Yes. Through and through. And I, that's, that's the, that's the vibe that I get from you, not just today, but in general, cause we've been able to spend a little bit of time together. People are going to love you. And I hope it's in eight months, 12 months. I hope it's on that level. You're already growing your base. And if it's not eight months or 12 months, it's going to be at some point. People are going to love you. There's only a few people that I feel that way about. I'm excited for you. It's crazy. It's super cool. And when people meet you, they're like, oh, like Carter, wow, she's really quiet. Then all of a sudden you slice them and dice them. And then you fire them. And then they're like, I don't work for you. You're like, you're fired anyway. And you're like, and she's hardcore. That McDonald's, you're fired, bitch. How did you and Toph are meet? We met at a wedding actually. Um, this, there's a videographer company called running bear and one of the, it's a brother sister duo and the girl's name is Alexa and she got married and we were sat next to each other at a table and I was like, stoned and didn't know anyone. Feeling weird. And he was just, I mean, you know, Topher, he talked to me right off the bat. And I mean, I feel like we're like brother sister in a past life or something. Cause he just feels like family. And ever since then we've just been writing together. I think that was three years ago. And I don't know, it is stuff like that where I look back and I'm like, I thought I had it figured out writing wise before I met Topher and not that like he's made me the writer I am, but all the things that happen. Past the point where you thought you were ready is how you actually get ready for a moment, I think. And so I'm like, it can take another year. That's fine with me, but I'm like getting ready for the moment, you know, doing this. What's funny is in five years, you're going to look back and go, and I thought in that, no, I was talking about five, but you should always be like that. I mean, it's, I saw some quote. I don't, I'm not going to say the quote, right? But it was like your art isn't real enough. If you're not embarrassed by it a year later, that's exactly. I hate watching, listening to anything I've ever done. I won't be watching this because I'm, no, yeah, I, it makes me cringe. Yeah. If I watch like even something old of me on TV from a year or two years ago, I know. But then I, then I appreciate that because that means that I feel like I must have grown beyond what that is. Yeah. Cause I want to be the person that's like, I killed that every time. I mean, sometimes you're like, I, I was going to kill it, right? Then, but like a year later, I should be like, you know what? I'm better than that now. I should be that way. That's my goal always. I'm trying to only be competitive with myself nowadays. Yeah. I wish that were my goal. I still want to kill everybody. I mean, I do too. There's still some people I'm just like, I got, I'm not going to mention any names here. I would tell you off the off mic, but I got a certain artist called the request line this morning to fight me to fight you to be like, he's pissed. Like roast you. No, no, he was pissed at something. I like that. Accurate. Yeah. I mean, fight. He didn't want to, he probably would have come to punch me in the, it's well known. Yeah. I don't have a great relationship with them. And we've, we have, and we publicly not had a great relationship. We've gone at, huh? I bet you don't. Give me, give me one letter in the first name. Don't even say, don't do first letter. Go. Oh no. No, no way at all. I want totally different story. And that's a great, that's an awesome story. No, no, this person is like, my God, current, current ish. I'll tell you, we're off the mic. And you might be friends with them and that's okay. Yeah, probably not. Mike, you think I don't think so. I don't think she is either. She's too cool. But I, this person had done some things that I did not feel were. I like how some things were handled professionally, but they were personally professional, meaning that he'd dick me over in a way that, and then no apology. And then just like, we're going to just a total blow off. You just can't do that. Like no, it was no respect. I shouldn't say it was a very, and I might have then on stage made some jokes. That were quite funny. And then they may have come back. They might have come back at me on social media. And I might. So it's, we've gone back and forth. And I said yesterday on the show and we can bleep this part. Mike, I'm just going to say it for context. And we'll end with this. Cause I could do this for two hours. We just like talk about stuff. Um, I also have people here and I've been here now long. I've been here longer than you. I'm older than you, but I had a very similar experience in getting here. And being a bit different and going through the process of people not understanding me at all. Yes. And I'm like, I'm pretty nice. I'm like, I'm, I'm kind of cool. I'm not going to make you understand me. Yeah. It's just, right. And so I was like, I'm not, I'm just decided I'm not going to be friends with any artists because I want to always be able to say my opinion. Like that was my plan. Don't be friends with no one. I don't trust them anyway. No artists am I going to be friends with. However, they, there were a few that I'm like, they're like my best friends cause they wore me down and I had to start to realize, you know what? I can't think everybody's a douchebag. Yeah, but it's good to be skeptical. Um, I'm totally a skeptic. All the time, but there's a few that have broken through where I'm like, they're really great people. So I would like to encourage you have a few friends. Is that have a few in the industry is weird though. Cause you never quite know what's up with them. Like what I just felt like somebody was using me for something. They are right. Until you get to that point where they are like, we're just humans, right? Or they're, they have, I'll be very, uh, general. They have more than I do in this area. So they don't need me. Like that was a big deal. Yeah. That's really nice. Like, um, one of my dearest friends, not a bullet, take a really strong pellet for, um, is Brett Eldridge and he's super anxiety-ridden. Like I am, we're, we're totally weirdos. We get scared of them. Take it's going so like, are they being going to sell it as anybody like, well, they like us tomorrow, but I wouldn't. You know, but like I trust that guy now. I got a couple of those. So I hope you have a couple of those cause you need a couple of those. I do. I've lost a few, but you get new ones. And my point with Brett was he didn't need me. He had so many, he doesn't need, he needs nothing from me except friendship. And that's what it should be about. Yeah. But it's not though. It's not. I don't even trust reader Mike and I don't sit right over there. Okay. So here's what I want to say. Okay. Uh, Instagram at Carter faith, TikTok at Carter faith. Um, all right. The aftermath, uh, it's on to what? 1012. So one, two, three, Jennifer, March, April, May, June, July, August, October. So Mike, when this comes out, it won't be October 12th yet. Is it? No, not yet. Okay. So week before. So in like a week. Yes. Um, the, I will try to know the aftermath. I've not heard it. Aftermath. Um, so that will be out. Uh, you're out doing shows. You do some Carly stuffs and Midland stuff. You doing some Luke Grimes stuff this fall. Yeah. That'll be announced and just festivals, random stuff. Yeah. Do you have merch? I'm making merch because I love merch. Well, I was going to say too, that's a great way to support an artist that you like if they're not headlining shows is to buy their merch. Yes. Please buy my merch. I'm going to bring it when she makes it. Please buy her merch. It'll be cute. I promise. Well, I don't want it then. I need like the ugly. No, not ugly. No, not ugly. No, it's like nasty. No, no, like normal straight to ugly. Yeah. She went right. I was like, I don't want it cute. She's like, like that is your vibe. You need an ugly shirt. Yeah. We'll make it match your face. Ugly it is. I really enjoy you. Yeah. You really enjoy you too. That's really cool. Yeah, that's really cool. And I'm rooting for you. And whenever you're ready, ready, like, and it's that you're, you guys are going. Could you've been on the show? Yeah. But that doesn't count. Whenever it's like real time and you're like, we're taking this to whatever. You're up immediately. Perfect. So I'll be there. You will be there. I will, I will make sure of it or I will cancel you from this town because I have that power. No, if I don't this, I'll be half dead. All right. Cancel me. Carter faith and go at Carter faith. Good to see you, Carter. Thanks for coming by. Thanks for listening to a Bobby cast production. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.