SC EP:1208 Texas Law-Enforcement Officer Encounter

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelled me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet but what I saw was. I'm going to run away. I'm going to run away. Jesus Christ, you better turn. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on downstairs? It's a horrible business about six foot nine. Easy a balancer. Yes, the broken right in. Hi, this is Ian on the Eastern shores of England. Keep it a believe it. All around the world we're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. We will be speaking with Matt Parrish who comes to us from Texas. Matt was a law enforcement officer in Texas and he fell in love with Washington and moved here. I don't really get that. I'm in Washington. I'd rather be in Texas but that's neither here nor there. Shortly after moving to Washington, Matt and his family started experiencing these creatures around his property and I saw him on the flash of beauty, the movie and I asked him if he come on and kind of share his experiences. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is west at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Matt to the show. Matt, thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here and I was telling you before I saw you on flash of beauty and I was like, wow, I really want to chat with this guy. Prior to all of this happening to you, what was kind of your take on the whole subject of Sasquatch? I always, you know, I seen the shows. I grew up watching Monster Quest, finding Bigfoot, those type things, the different documentaries. I think there was one with Leonard Nimoy when I was really young. You know, so I was familiar with it. My dad and my grandfather, they would always tell us stories and I always thought it was kind of like a boogie man, like fairy tale type type thing until I went to a library when I was in the first grade and I saw that classic image of Patty when she's looking back at the Roger and them. And so that's when I was like, whoa, this is something that actually might be out there and then seeing the shows and everything. So you always want to believe but you're not 100% there. It wasn't until we moved up here to Washington that, you know, everything changed when we went from being believers kind of to knowers. I hear you. Well, if you would walk me into this whole incident, you move from Texas to Washington onto this property and this where we're going to chat about tonight, went on for about four and a half years. If you would, would you start from the very beginning and kind of walk us into how all of this progressed? Yeah, sure. At least that we were living in Texas. I worked for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. I was a lieutenant with them and I did that job for almost 13 years. I wasn't a lieutenant the entire time I left at the rank of lieutenant but I started out just as a regular officer working my way up through the ranks. But we would come up here to Washington. We would take the 101 all the way down to San Diego and do different things. We just always loved it and we would do that for our vacation every year to try to beat the Texas seat normally in August or a couple times in October we came. But anyways, we came, it was 2018. We were staying actually on Lake Crescent, me and my wife. And it was my birthday. And we were just getting ready to lay down for bed. It was 11 o'clock at night. This was in October and so it's that jury kind of misty classic Pacific Northwest weather that we have. And as we're laying down, there's this really long drawn out how it comes off the mountain side right behind us. You know, it's dead silent. We don't have a, you know, there's no TV. There's nothing like that in the cabin. It's just stillness. You know, we both looked at one another and. There's no way we heard what we think we heard. You know, like is that, you know, because it didn't sound anything like, you know, I've heard coyotes, I've heard wolves. Very familiar with all that, the different sounds, you know, that they can. They have a variety of vocals that they make. This didn't sound anything like that. It sounded more like what I now know as the Ohio, how. It was just this long drawn out thing. So it's like we got a, you know, we definitely got to come back, you know, to the peninsula. And in 2021, we actually had the opportunity to move here. So we took it, we took that opportunity and relocated. We were living in Lake Quenalt. And that first year was pretty quiet for us. Nothing, nothing really wild happened. My neighbors and stuff like that. You know, I love to hike. I love to be outdoors. You name it. If I can be out there, I'm going to be out there. Occasionally, you know, the subject of Bigfoot would come up with neighbors or something. Somebody would say, yeah, well, there's some tracks down here, you know, you know, if you're interested, go look at that. I would go and look, but the problem is it rains so much here that by the time you get there to look at the tracks, they're pretty much washed out. So all you can really see is like impressions. You know, there's, there's a big difference. I always hear people say, oh, there's tracks. And then you look and it's, no, it's an impression. There's, there's a difference in a track and an impression. But you would see impressions and you could tell, yeah, something, something to walk through here. So the area already had a kind of a rich history of, of Sasquatch sightings in Quenalt. People have an experience system stuff. The likes that our first year, nothing really exciting happened in our house. Occasionally we would get around 11 o'clock. We would get like this. Not really an overpower odor. It was more of a just kind of a musky, onky smell. You know, nothing, nothing really super strong like you always hear this Sasquatch reports off. You know, burn my eyes and feel my own, you know, nothing like that. And so I thought, well, maybe it's a bear coming up around that time at night. And so I put a couple of flood lights up. And I'd be sitting in my chair at around 11 o'clock. The smell would start whifting in through the window, you know, because we don't have air conditioning up here. So we just leave our windows open at night. It would start coming into the house. And I would jump up, I'd see the flood light pop off and I would jump up and go over to the window to try to catch a glimpse of whatever this was. And it would always be gone. And there'd be nothing. The house next door to us was vacant. We, where we lived at, there's five houses on a 30 acre property. And the lodge that is there on the, on Lake Quenalty Lake Quenalty, where not lodge ran by airmark. At one time they were renting those houses out and using them as an employee housing. Well, they'd stop doing that. And the house next door to us was maybe 15 feet. But it had been pretty trashed out. You know, seasonal employees had partied in there and ran it down. And things were broken and stuff. It was pretty bad shape, pretty sad. But occasionally we would be laying in bed. And we would hear like a, like something bang on the side of that house. And you know, I told my wife I was like, I said, it's probably, you know, because it'd be like one, two o'clock in the morning. I'm not getting up to go to look. It's at the next house. It's not our house, you know. Inside, I thought I said they probably left some trash in there. Someone's probably some critter or bear jumping up on the side trying to look in there and see. And Matt, this home next door, you guys were hearing something bang on it. Yeah, banging more like the roof because there's more of a metallic type. So like something was hitting the edge. It almost sounded like a garbage can lid, but the only thing that was metal over there was the roof. And so I figured, you know, I said it could be a wide range of things. It could be something jumping on the side of the house that sounds like that. Or, you know, maybe a limb falling on the roof. I don't know, but it would wake it would be loud enough it would wake us up out of our sleep. And it would just be a single bang and then that's it. And then nothing. But there wasn't always a smell when when we would have like the main sound next door. So I didn't really associate it with anything. You know, I just kind of allow bang sound, you know. So yeah, that happened that first year. Then my wife she ended up getting pregnant at the end of that year. And so we needed a bigger house. And the pressure was on the find something. Well, Lake Quenol is pretty remote. You're about an hour from Aberdeen and you're about an hour from, an hour and a half from Fork, Washington. There on the west coast, the west side of the Olympic Peninsula. And then that's that's pretty much it. There's really nothing else around. There's a couple little tiny communities like Quenol. You have a quits and, you know, just a nothing really big. No stores, nothing like that. So housing is pretty difficult to find out there. It's actually since you're surrounded by the Olympic National Park and the National Forest. People are obviously building in there. So the house next door was available. But like I said, it was really trashed out. There was really my last option to move in there. You know, last resort. But we ended up taking it. We got in there and we started clinging up. It was pretty bad. Honestly, if it were up to me, I would have just burned it to the ground and started over. We were in there for about a week. And this house on the property actually sits right up along the tree line now. So we're right next to the forest. And then there's nothing going all the way to Forks. You know, it's just National Park National Forest. So we're cleaning it up. We get it decent. My dad and my stepmom decided that they're going to fly up and visit us after we'd only been in there for a week. And when they arrive, the first thing, you know, my wife, she's pregnant. She was craving some of the Southern foods, Southern comfort type stuff, you know, a lot of cageing food that we eat from this house. She was wanting something like that. So my stepmom made a big pot of seafood gumbo. And we were having a good time. We had all the windows open. This was late June. We set outside till around 11 o'clock at night. And when we finally decided to call it quits, we let my parents sleep in our bedroom. Just, you know, that's just where we raised, you know, we wanted to let them, you know, just a hospitality thing for any of your guests. So we let them have our bedroom because it was nicer, bigger bed. There was a, we just put a window unit in it. We had another window unit ordered for my daughter's room that was coming. So yeah, it was just more, we felt like they would be more comfortable in there. We took our daughter's room, which is next door right next door. Both of these bedrooms are right on the side of the house that face the tree line. And my daughter, she ended up taking the couch in the living room that night. So my parents are in our room and we're in the, we're in our daughter's room. And we got the bedroom window wide open because we don't have a window unit in there yet. And it really wasn't that hot. So we didn't have a need for a fan or anything up in the window. I'm quite comfortable. But around two in the morning, my wife wakes me up and she says, there's someone out there banging around. And I said, what do you mean there? I said, yeah, I said, it's probably a critter. I told her, I said, go, just, you know, it'll be all right. Go back to sleep. And she's like, no, no, I'm serious. She's like, there's someone or something out there banging around on the side of the house. I go to lay my head back down on the pillow and right as I do, that's when I heard a very clear, sharp, like distinct whistle. It didn't sound like a bird. Like the way, you know, when you're in a construction site or something, you whistle to get someone's attention. It almost sounded kind of like that. That's the closest I can describe it. But so we, now I'm awake. I'm like, okay, I'm like, who's right outside? Because this was right up on the window. And I'm like, who the hell's right outside the window? And I'm looking and I don't see anything. And I'm listening. And then I hear it start to walk away from the window. As it's walking away, I've noticed, you know, because the grass is kind of crunchy, you know, it's late June, like I said, they haven't had any rain for a couple of weeks. And but as it's walking away, it definitely almost sounds like the way you are, I would walk. So something by peedle. So I'm like, who's, you know, and then it fades off and I don't hear it. And I lay there for about another 40, 45 minutes trying to hear if it was coming back or not. And it never did. I ended up not enough going to sleep. Well, I get up the next morning. I go into the living room. I see my parents had just stepped out onto the porch. So I follow them out there and they're lighting up a cigarette there. You know, I could tell they're a little, a little bothered by something, you know. I can't quite tell my dad to give you a idea about his character and stuff. He was born and raised East Texas. He's a true definition of a Texan all the way. He's got the thick accent on like me, you know. But he was in law enforcement for 40 years, he just retired as chief of police. So things don't really bother this man or rattle him too much. I wouldn't say that it rattled him, but I could tell something that bothered him. And so I asked him, I said, how did you sleep last night? And he said, well, he said, let's, so let's talk about that real quick. He said, well, how did you sleep first? And I said, um, I said, you know, I slept. I said, you know, there was this thing, dad. I said, yeah, I said this around two o'clock and I told him, you know, what it had occurred. And when I was telling him his eyes got real big. And he looked over at my step one, he's like, all right. He's like, that's the same time that we had our deal. And I said, so what happened to you? He said someone or something came up to your window unit and started banging on it real aggressively. And he said, it sounded aggressive because it was just a rapid peppa, peppa, you know, on the, on the metal there. And so I asked him, I said, uh, let's walk over there. Let's go look at it. And so we, we, we started headed over there to the corner of the house. And the first thing that we noticed was that there was these big impressions in the grass. Um, they're about 17 inches in length. And they were about two and a half to three feet apart, um, one in front of the other. And they came right up along the tree line and cut over towards the house. And then they go up to the bedroom window with the window unit where my parents were. And sitting on top of the window unit is a, uh, the river stone that's up there. And so this, this unit is about seven, seven and a half feet off the ground. So that would take something with them. You know, I wouldn't imagine a bear would pick up a rock and bang on the, on the window unit. You know, it was just really kind of mind blowing. It was like, there's no way you know, with the impressions and the stories and everything. There's, there's no way that we're experiencing this that this happened. But then the, the tracks they circle back are the impressions. They circle back to the bedroom that came in my wife were in. And then they, they flew around like, they go back towards the window where my parents were. And carry on around the back side of the house all the way to the offices out of the house. And on the offices out of the house, there was a, kind of like a laundry room, but it's, I think at one time it was a sunroom or something, because it's all, it's all glass pretty much. And in there it was where we kept our garbage. And in that garbage was, uh, all the shrimp pilings and everything that my stepmom, you know, from cooking dinner the night before. And these impressions, they stopped right in front of the window where that garbage is. And right above the garbage on the window, there is an impression of what looks like a forearm, but it's massive. It's way bigger than a person's forearm. What's going through your mind at this point, Matt? Are you thinking some guys coming up to your home in the middle of the night? Well, I'm still, I'm like, I'm trying to, you know, be rational and try to reason out, you know, a process of elimination of barewood into this. This is, you know, my neighbors wouldn't do it because I have just a, a widow down the road at the, at the dead end, you know, because we lived on the dead end street. And then her mother lived on the other side. And she was like in her seventies and her mother was in her nineties. So I'm thinking there's, you know, we didn't have anybody in an Airbnb down there at the time, because there are quite a few houses down there, but there's only about five or six of us that live down there year round. And they're all over 50. So I'm like there, you know, they're not. And I knew them pretty well, you know, I didn't know them great, but, you know, when you live in a place like that, you know, where you're pretty much isolated is, especially in the wintertime, you really learn your neighbors really well. And you kind of all depend on one another to get through the winter. You know, hey, I'm running into town. Is there anything unique? You know, that type of stuff, you know, or hey, you know, I need, I need some wood shop. Can you help me? You know, so we all kind of pitch in to get through winter. So I knew I knew them well enough to know that I didn't believe that they would pull any kind of prank or anything like that, especially knowing that I have guests over at my house. So I'm thinking, you know, I'm like this. This can't be, but this is it. It looks like bigfoot. Like a Sasquatch came up and paid us a visit last night. I couldn't explain it any other way. Like I said, we saw the impression of the forearm and it was, it had already dried by the time we seen it on the window. So it wasn't like this greasy oily thing, you know, you always hear about. It was just like wet hair. They had been, you know, through the, through the bush and then it was just kind of pressed on it and made that little impressions of strands and stuff. And you could, you could kind of see the individual hair strands in some spots. And then the impressions they, they carried back on down the street and that's when we lost it. So it's like, you know, I know there's Sasquatches in the area, just listening to the locals and hearing all the stories and it only makes sense that it would be a matter of time. We live right at the mouth of the Quenant River where that salmon hatchery is. And right in the, across the street in the front yard is the, is the actual lake itself and it's all just freshwater clams and stuff down there. We're kind of like right in the middle of a buffet, so to speak, for, for anything. And so yeah, I'm still kind of like trying to wrap my head around it. You know, I'm still kind of skeptical that we were visited by a Sasquatch, but I'm still like, I don't know any other way to believe any, any other explanation for this than that at the time. And so the rest of the week goes off with without a hitch, you know, notice, there's occasionally at nighttime we'd be sitting out on the porch while they were there. And the whole force, you know, would just go dead silent like the bullfrogs would stop. I mean, everything just, there being, it would just be stillness. And so we would just kind of sit there me and my dad, you know, and we could be listening to the, to the force if we could hear anything moving in the tree line or whatnot. Because normally, when everything goes silent like that, especially if you're in East Texas, typically because there's a predator around, you know, right? So everything kind of gets quiet till it passes on, but this would all go silent and it would stay silent for about 15, 20 minutes. And then the force would come back to life again. So that, but we never heard anything, we never smelled anything, nothing like that. So that was pretty much the end of that, that incident. My parents, you know, they had a great time. We took them all around the peninsula, showed them different stuff. They left, went back home. And three days after they left, it was around 10 o'clock at night. We're all getting ready. We're kind of settling in, getting ready for bed. We're in early June now. And early July, sorry, early July. And my daughter, she's in her room, getting ready, takes some settle down. She was seven at this time. And I go to the, to the kitchen to get a glass of water. And like I said, this house, it was a party house, you know, had been pretty trashed out pretty badly. And so we had, had to go a lot of fixing up and fresh paint and warring and things like that. But one of the things was the kitchen window was busted out. And so we had a, I'd taken a piece of cardboard and placed up over the window and taped to the, to the sides, you know, because we had to order, special order the houses so old we had to, we had to, special order the window for it. And we'd only been there for a week. So we were waiting on that. Well, why I'm giving a glass of water that cardboard starts kind of, so it's almost like something is on the other side of it, taking its hand and just kind of slightly pressing inward. And then it would let go. And then it would slightly press inward. And then it would let go. So it starts kind of flexing. And I can actually hear the adhesive from the tape giving away each time. There's no wind, there's no storm outside. It's just stillness, just, it was a nice even in that even. And the pushing was almost like rhythmic, not like real fast like with, if wind was flapping or something or beating up against it. It was almost rhythmic, you know, I was just in and out and in and out. Almost like something was amused with the cardboard and maybe the adhesive sound like pulling away from the, from the window. So now I'm thinking like, crap, like how fast can I get to the bedroom and get my gun? You know, if whatever this is tries to come inside, I'm still not thinking bigfoot or not thinking anything like that. Just thinking while they are more something, you know. So around that time my daughter, she comes running into the kitchen from her bedroom and she goes, I know you're trying to sneak on me. And I said, what? And she goes, yeah, I know, I know you're trying to play a joke on me. I know you're trying to sneak on me. There, I look over and I notice that the window has stopped. It's still now nothing's pressing on the cardboard anymore. And inside, I look better. I said, what are you talking about? You know, I'm not, I'm not sneaking on you. And she goes, yeah, you're, you're not. I'm a bedroom window trying to sound like a Chinese zombie. And I said, I said, what? She goes, yeah, you're not there making like Chinese zombie noises trying to scare me. And I was like, and so this goes back to where I was like, no, I'm not doing that. But where are that's going on? The thought occurred to me. She was experiencing something on one end of the house. The same time I was experiencing something. There has to be two of these things, whatever they are. That's when I kind of snapped back and I was like, you know, I've heard Sasquatches do, you know, what they call Samurai chatter. You know, she, if I, if I, if I, I finally she realizes I'm not trying to sneak on her, you know, I'm there. And my boxers and I'm not outside the house in the dark. And so we told her, you know, we said, hey, this ever happens again. Just when the dark comes, just when it starts at nighttime, close your, close your window, close your blinds. And don't open them up. And if that ever happens again, or they try to, whatever it is, try to speak to you again. You just come and get me a mom and we'll take care of it. But so we kind of established some rules early on, because we weren't quite sure what we were dealing with. The next morning I get outside and I go outside and of course there, there it is. I find a 17 inch impression, you know, just impression, nothing definitive with toes or anything like that. Just impressions. I found a 15 inch impression around the outside of the house, a couple of them. So that, that kind of reaffirmed, you know, okay, we, we had visitors again last night, you know, like the same ones when my parents were here. And so I told my wife, I said we got to get, we got to figure out a way to get to some camera. I was like, do we, we still have the ring camera when we were in Texas. And she's like, yeah, she said it's in storage. And I was like, okay, so I get the ring camera and I get it out. And I just set it on the poor trailing. I don't mount it to anything. I just set it out there and had it facing the tree line. That first night we got all kinds of hits on it. And it was cats and the cat that we had that was outdoors. And just different things, you know, would set it off little bugs. So I had to go in there and change the settings for just a person. Something of significant size to set it off. And so I did that and there was two nights later. It was around three oh one in the morning. But I got a notification on my phone. And it said that, uh, that there's a person on the ring. And so I was like, I set it down. I'm kind of in a hurry. I'm getting ready for work. I'm like, I'm still not like thinking or wide awake. You know, so I didn't check it. I just kind of tossed it to the side of like I'll look at it just before I walk out. And finish getting ready about 40 minutes later. And just before I go ahead out the door, I pick up my phone and I look at it. And I clicked on the on the clip. And you can see this kind of fuzzy hominid thing, you know, because it's the IR, uh, any kind of at nighttime. It's not that great. Uh, it's very low quality, quality footage. But I could tell there was something that had came around the corner of the house and walked up within about 20 feet. So I asked my dad, you know, since he was working for the Livingston Police Department. I said, hey, can you give this to your take guy? And if they have some time, you know, when they're, when they're free or maybe on their off day or something. If they could just kind of play with this video and clean it up and get it back to me. So he's like, yeah, sure, no problem. You know, so I send him the video and I go into work. And he sends back the video that evening with that. They ran it through a blue filter and kind of cleaned it up a little bit. His take one of his tech guys did one of his lieutenants. But there's this still image of what looks like a Sasquatch standing right outside the house. There's one frame where it steps just good enough. And it looks right at the camera. And then after that, it turns around and it leaves. And so it was like, wow, that, that for me was just like confirmation. Um, that was okay. That we were not dealing with, uh, especially the size. Because the thing in the video, and at least in the still image, the screen shot that was captured from the video, the real good shot of it, it has its knees like slightly bit. And then you have the body in the head, which are just a, the head was just a, maybe a foot or so over the, even the roof and the eve is about nine foot off the ground. And so I was just like, wow, there's a 10 foot tall thing standing right outside my house. 40 minutes before I went to work. And so for that, that was really the defining moment. Like, okay, we're, you know, we're not dealing with a bear. We're not dealing with another person. We have a Sasquatch come, come into the house. Yeah, that was, uh, that was the big event for us. The big confirmation. Yeah, I'm looking at the picture and I'll post it underneath this episode. It's definitely weird. You're right. Those ring cameras do suck, but kind of a weird image. Are you concerned at this point? Yeah, I actually was. We were a little worried because we don't know what we're dealing with. You know, there's no textbook out there on how to deal with the Sasquatch. And this, you know, this wasn't the first time that it is. It is a home, obviously. So it was coming back. Um, and that, that was the other thing too. And so I told my wife, um, you know, we went ahead and we upgraded. We spent a thousand dollars in, uh, blink home security cameras. We got ten of them. We set up around the property, uh, floodlights, motion lights, that, that type of thing. So we were like, you know, we told our daughter, you know, like, there's no playing outside anymore unless we're outside with you. And the tree line in the woods are completely off limits. That's a no go area. So we established some rules pretty quickly. And then like, uh, after dark, you know, the girls, they just stayed indoors. You know, they didn't, you know, we're not, we had a big deck in front of the house. It's not like they were going outside playing or like we were all, but I was like, you know, they, you know, my wife might step outside for a minute on the porch or something. And I was like, yeah, after dark, just, we'll just call it quits for the evening and stay indoors until we know a little bit better what we're dealing with. So that's, that's kind of where I wouldn't save, uh, really afraid, but cautious because they hadn't really done anything that I would consider aggressive behavior to that point. All of the behavior just seemed like curiosity type stuff. It makes sense. You know, they're banging on that, that window unit, you know, I've had some people there like, well, that was pretty aggressive. You know, well, I mean, if you're laying inside, you know, and you're, template tall and you're banging a little metal box. I mean, I guess it could come off as aggressive, but we're also the only ones in the, uh, the whole neighborhood that had an air conditioning unit. So that's something that they've never probably seen or encountered. And you can hear it. You know, when those things run, you can hear water dripping inside of them. Sometimes when they kick off, when they compressor, I figured that maybe it was just more curiosity like, hey, what's, what the hell is this name? Why they got it in the window, you know, they probably more familiar with like box fans and stuff being in the window. You know, and then, and then just, uh, the talking and stuff and the pushing on the, on the window. It really wanted in the house. It could have came in the house. There's, after seeing the photograph, you know, the video footage in the tracks and stuff. There's really nothing that you're going to do to stop something that big if it wants in or, or if it wants to get a piece of you. You know, it's, it's coming. So I just took it as more curiosity type behavior than anything, but we, so we did establish some, some ground rules. Pretty early on as to how we would deal with these things. The blank camera, the problem with that is that runs off of Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi in those rule areas is horrible. We didn't have Starlink. Um, we got Starlink now, but at the time we didn't have Starlink, the cameras would pop off in order as if something was walking through the property. You know, it would just be like random spots on the property when the camera would pop off, but I would go look and there would be nothing there. And so I tested the cameras myself. I went and walked through the property along the same route on the tree line and the cameras fired off. And I wasn't there on the video. And so there was a delay, the motion sensor and the IR are separate from when the video triggers the video. So, and there's a one or two second delay by the time the video actually starts recording. And it all goes to a, to like a cloud, kind of like a memory bank. So it's not like it doesn't go to a hard drive and it doesn't, you know, I've had people asking that question too. Um, yeah, it just was not really up the par for what we needed. We needed something that would be like instant and these were not. And I would also like to add that whenever we had the cameras up, activity seemed to stop for a little while. Or it would occur in other parts of the property that were just outside of the camera's range of view or like where we didn't have cameras at all. So that was, that was interesting to me. Um, also that these things, I don't think that the staff's watch knows what a camera is. You know, I don't, there's, there's no way I'm definitely in the, I'm in the flesh and blood camp. You know, it's something biological. I know there's a lot of, you know, there's different groups. You know, you got the bio camp, you got the paranormal camp, you got the camp that believes that it's aliens. You know, I, I think it's just based off of my experiences. I think it's another hominid. You know, I don't, I don't think that it knows though what a camera is. I don't think it's smart enough, but I do think that there's something about cameras that these things don't like. And when I, when I was working back in Texas, I actually, we, we used dogs for all different types of things. We have cadaver dogs. We have drug dogs. We have dogs that find just cell phones. So I called the, I called up my kennel sergeant and I asked him, you know, I said, hey, I said, how do the dogs know to hit on like cell phone or certain electronics, but not other electronics? How did they know to pass those up? What he told me was, was pretty surprising. He said, well, they're actually looking for the camera. He said they're not looking for the phone itself. I said to the camera and I said, how, how, how, how did they, how did they know to find the camera? And he said, well, he said, there's a chemical that they used to train the dogs called nobium oxide. He said in this camera, it's a chemical that's used in the processing chips of most cameras, game cameras, home security cameras, anything like that. And he said, that's what the dogs are actually after is that chemical scent. And so that made more sense to me because this is where me and my dad kind of differ a little bit on our belief. Or as the cameras go, my dad, he's dead set that it's human scent that they're smelling. And I'll agree with that, you know, out in the forest, absolutely. I believe that, you know, but the ring camera, I have was sitting on my porch and this thing comes around and it kind of, it kind of looks like it's doing something to the side of the house and it gets within about 20 feet of that camera. And it stops and it looks at it and then it's game over it leaves. And so there's, there's human scent all around my house, my yard, my property got stuff out there. I don't, I don't think it was human scent that it detected with that camera. I think it was a chemical scent. And that's what's, you know, maybe I'm not saying that it's that specific chemical. But, you know, we know that like sharks are sensitive to electronics. We know that bears can smell certain things for great distances. So on and so on. It's not unreasonable, I think, to kind of have a theory that they, that there's certain chemical smells that maybe, maybe they're not. But maybe out as a natural repellent for these things. It's just a theory out there that I have. But, yes, so we, we, we, we had that we put the security system up. What was funny was, you know, when you live in those rural areas here in Washington, you experience a lot of power outages in the, in the winter time. Our power would, would go out and it will always amuse me because you know, we wouldn't have anything happen for a while. And then the power would go out. And then we would wake up in their detracts or impressions, one, one of the other in the, in the front yard or something like that where. And then you could hear weird sounds throughout the night different vocals sometimes. I wouldn't say chatter. I never really heard the chatter. I heard it one time in the four and a half years that we were there. My wife and daughter, they, they absolutely heard it a lot more than I did. Typically, after I left to go to work or when I was in at the house, they would hear it. But the one time that I heard it sounded like almost like I couldn't really make out what they were saying. I couldn't make out any syllables or anything like that. It was almost like to drunk guys. My interpretation like to drunk guys coming out of bar how they can like hang on one other just had a good time. They're leaving for the night. It was from the distance. It was coming up the road from the dead end. And they got to our property. And then I could hear it a little bit better. And to me, you know, a lot of people say samurai chatter and stuff like that. It sounded more like tribal language, kind of very similar to the languages that you hear in the Pacific Northwest from the tribes. And I think that's maybe they definitely have their own language. But I think that maybe it's somewhat mimicking Native American language. I don't know. If you listen to the Quidalt people when they speak to one another in their language, you know, it sounded like it kind of reminded me of. But the as it comes up beside the house, it's a they're just kind of chattering away. But they start getting quieter and quieter as they get closer to the house. And when they got up like right side of bedrooms. They just went dead silent. And then of course the next morning we go out and we find impressions or tracks out there. And so I was like, okay, that that's how I kind of attributed those locals, you know, if I found other evidence of them being around, you know, things maybe something moved or so or maybe a tree break. We did have along the property on the edge of our property. We did have probably I would say every 50 yards or so, we would have a tree break. But it wouldn't be a big massive limb that was broken, you know, like one that's like this thick as your forearm. It would just be these these little limbs that were maybe one or two inches in diameter, but they'd be twisted and then bent downward. They would never just be a clean snap. After a while, I kind of took it that that was kind of a, you know, like a boundary. You know, like, okay, this is your side of the property, but that's our side. So that's kind of the way I took it. And then I had a native guy. He told me that it was actually an elder with a Quenalt tribe. He told me that it was actually a marker for other Sasquatches to let them know that they passed through there. And so I was like, oh, that, you know, that thought never occurred to me either. You know, that's pretty interesting. And then he's like, yeah, if you notice, and it was until he pointed out that the tracks whenever we find tracks on our property, it's never like their side by side. Like the way you or I would walk with our wife or children, you know, through a through an area, you know, you you're close together. But these things based on this spread out, you might find tracks right here that are 17 inch, but like the 15 inch individual, we would find their tracks 20, 30 feet away on the property. So it's like they they always kept space between them when they traveled. So they would do things like that. That was pretty much our the second year. In October, I had actually reached out to Mel Skahan, who I saw through Flashabutie, the movie, He put Revealed. And I reached out to him and started talking to him to get some advice on on how to proceed and deal with these things. To see the way he talked about him was very much the some of the experiences that he had were very similar to ours. And he always referred to them as forest people. Most of the native tribes here do refer to them as forest people. There are some native tribes that believe that they're more spiritual than they are a force like an actual tribe. But the general consensus is that they're a type of there's the other tribe as they call them sometimes. And so Mel had mentioned doing a gifting and trying different things to put out for them. So I started doing that. I and the funny thing was in the beginning, you know, there's no instructions or no textbook on how to do these things, right? You know, this is what works is what doesn't. So you just kind of got to figure it out as you go with. They are picky. They're not like bears or anything that would just eat everything. They don't have a preference in certain foods that they like. And so I always heard apples. So I was like, you want to go on and I went out and I bought a bunch of apples and I just laid them on the ground. Any time I would lay like apples or anything like that on the ground, any kind of food, they wouldn't touch it. And so I was telling Mel is it can't they're not to you. I was like, where are you doing it? And I said, well, I'm putting it on the ground, you know, out there and it's like, no, no, you need to get like a table or something up. Instead of it on a thing. He's like, would you want to eat your food off the ground? You know, would you want to, you know, would you want to. He said, so just to be respectful, place it up on some high. And so that's what I started doing. And they never touch the apples when I put them out. But it was funny because I did have one time I always count and I had one apple missing and I was like, I got so excited. I came here and told my wife, I said, yeah, so they finally took an apple. I said, or something took an apple. She's like, oh, that's great. You know, and it was like two days later, I'm in the bedroom and I open up my window and face in the tree line. There's an apple that is right outside my bedroom window. There's an apple that's impaled on a branch about 12 feet off the ground right in front of my window. I was like, oh, there's that missing apple. What that means, I don't know. So I took it that maybe they wanted something besides apples because there's plenty of apple trees in the neighborhood. And around the area and we're being in Washington, the apples grow great here. But so I was like, maybe maybe they're not happy with the apples. So when I tried different things, the two things that I had the biggest success with and things that I could really tell, okay, I could rule out other wildlife taking was fresh corn that was still in the husk and plums. So I would, I moved this gifting table to the side of the house where we would normally get activity in between the house and the tree line. And I actually need to go back a little bit. I actually took down the security cameras when I started gifting because that was the other thing. I think I get rid of the cameras. I was like, you know, I thought about it. I was like, yeah, you know what the for whatever reason they're able to see cameras. So that's not working. So I took the cameras down when I started gifting. But I put plums up and I set 10, 10 plums out each time. And they would always leave four plums behind. They would never take more than them for at a time or more than they would never take them all. And I was just before it at a time behind. And I always thought that was interesting. I'll say this to not every time that I gifted, did I always get a response. I would say 95% of the time the stuff probably just rotted or would go bad. And I would have to throw it away. But there's that other 5% of the time when they would interact. And so the plums when the plums would come up missing, there would always just be for each time that they visited. And I told me, I said, that's really weird. I said that they're just leaving. They don't, you know, if it was a bear, I think it would, you know, it's surely a bear is not counting the plums. They would just either eat them, you know. And Mel, he said, well, how many people in your family again? I said, well, I said, oh, there's four of us. It's like, yeah, they're probably leaving some for you and your family as a thank you. That was really interesting. I put out the fresh corn on the cob that was still in the husk. Not the stuff that you get from Costco where it's kind of chopped on the end. This is like right out of the garden. And so I took that and I would set that out and they would come and they would husk all the corn and leave all the leaves on the ground. And the cob and the corn itself would be gone. And the leaves were not ripped. They were not shredded. I wasn't like chewed on. This was just like if you and I were prepping it to go in the freezer or be cooked, you know, how you just peel them back and drop them down, you know, and then discard them later. But that's exactly how I would find it in the morning. So I tried a lot of different things though. I tried peanut butter and a jar that didn't work. I did lay out things like that I thought that they might need like salt. I put one time I put salt on a plate and something he came up and picked up the plate. I'd set the plate actually up high on the window unit on the base unit. So it's about seven feet off the ground give or take. And something came up and licked it and just ran its tongue through the middle of the plate and then set the plate down on my gifting table back down on the ground. But anytime I tried like processed foods or cooked items, none of that stuff would ever get taken. It was always left behind or it would just go bad. That was going on and one night I went outside and I go to do my gifting. And when I go around the corner of the house, a tree in the back corner fell. It's just dead silent out there. There's no wind. There's no storm. I got to where I would keep the same routine. I would do my gifting every night around seven o'clock. A short. I don't know why I just did. I just kept a routine with them. So I go out there and I got my little bag goodies for them. Different things that I would try and that tree falls. So I go over the edge of my property and I got my headlamp on and I'm looking out there. I can't see anything. It's thick as can be. And so I just started taking the things out of my bag and holding them up in my headlamp. And I was like, all right, I got you guys an orange tonight. I got you guys some, you know, some plums, some more plums and got out of it. I'm doing that. And it's not that I think that they understand English. It's just more kind of less. I guess like break the ice and show them that I'm not aggressive. I'm not a threat. Just show my demeanor. So I would do something like that occasionally every time I would, well, every time I would get I would, when I was done, I would always say to the go to the edges of tree line and speaking them. Like, all right guys, who's your goodies? I hope you all enjoy tonight. You know, you like them. You like them. If you don't, you know, something like that. And then I walk off. But anyway, so I was doing that. And I put everything back in the bag and I go over to the table. I've got my back to the tree line and I'm taking everything out. I'm arranged in it on the table and getting ready to take pictures of it and all that good stuff to document. And also, and I hear right behind me in the in the forest, I can hear there's something big breaking through the brush. It's just coming up and it's coming fast. And so I look over my shoulder and there's two red eyes looking right back at me. I remember I had my phone on me, so I pulled my phone out and I and I started recording. So I got the whole event on video. But, you know, I said in the video, I'm very calm. You know, I turn around and I'm like, oh, how are you? Because this this was different. This was everything had at that moment had changed. This was the first time that they, I guess, felt comfortable enough when I was an inside the house to come close enough to have that that type of interaction. And so it's looking at me and occasionally it would it would look over to my right around that to my left at that same time where that tree had fell. There was while I'm looking at this thing, something over there in that corner starts ripping and tearing up brush. And it's just it sounds really upset. Like maybe it's trying to get my attention off of the one that's in front of me. And so it would look over there and then it would snap back and look at me. But when it would look, it would the eyes would go to kind of an amber color, then to a golden color as the light hit the side of the eye. And then when it would look back at me directly and snap back, it would be a solid red. This whole thing lasted for about five minutes and I realized I'm holding a spoon full of baking grease in my hands. And so I was like, no, this thing's not backing down and it's not really coming forward anymore. But I'm between it and the food that that that occurred. And so I was like, it's not a not a good place. I want to be right now. So I finished up. I set the stuff down and I started to leave. You know, I and as I got to the corner of my house when I got to that, I stopped the video at that point. But when I started to leave, when I got to the corner of my house, I turned around and to look over my shoulder one last time. And there, there was right there on the tree, maybe 10 feet from me now. And it's like peeking out from behind the tree and my headlamp hits it. And I can see the the eyes. I can see the outline of the head. I can see the shoulder and the arm that's reaching around the to hold the tree. The hand on the tree. And as soon as I hit it with the headlamp, it sucked back behind the tree again. And that's when I took off running because I never heard it. You know, that I like to say when I first went out there and I was gifting, I could hear it coming up behind me. And that's when I look behind me. Well, when I moved to the corner of the house this time, I never heard it move through the forest. It closed a considerable amount of space between us without me hearing it. And I've talked to other researchers. Some of them said that it might have been a third one there the whole time that was on the tree. Maybe that's why I never heard it because it what I was actually looking at the first time was not the same one. And I was like, that kind of makes sense. But still, I never, never heard it. So that was really spooky and there was, there was a lot closer than I wanted it to be side. I tell them, got inside the next morning, I went out there though and I went to that spot where the eye shine was. And I found a 15-inch path track. And there was a tree that was just like split and half. And something grabbed this tree and just split it right down the middle, right where it was standing. But I figured we did a little recreation thing. And the folks from Sasquatch Island came out and we did a little recreation. We go down in there and the ground drops quite a bit where that area is. And so we line up everything and we determined through the recreation that it was about seven and a half feet off the ground in height just based off the video and the little recreation thing that we did in the distance where I found the track and the split tree. So that was, that was, and all that's documented too. Actually, I can send that to Austin, you everything. I have nothing to, nothing to hide, you know. And after that, it seemed like everything kind of changed with these creatures, you know, with these animals, whatever you want to call them. They felt more comfortable, I would say. It seemed like they felt more comfortable coming closer without us being in the house up until that point. They would do things. There was one time when they, I'd seen the flood light had went off on the side of the house and I'd seen it run beside the house. And so I go to that, that submarine that I was talking about and I was watching and I was looking, I'd seen it ran into a group of bushes, but it's kind of pinned down because right on the other side is the lake. So there's really nowhere for it to go. And then something came up behind the house and banged a slap slapped on the backside of the house. That's when I spun around. So they would do things whenever you would see them or catch a glimpse of them outside, they would kind of do things almost to try to distract you to get your attention off the other one. Like if you, or if you were getting to, you know, you're in the house and you're, you're looking at a certain area where you're positive. There's something there, but you really can't quite see it. Something else would happen somewhere else on the property that would get your attention to, so they, they kind of like to distract you, you know, when you're getting close to one of them. So that night that I did the gifting, that was the first thing that other than the one in the corner tearing up the brush and everything. That was just maybe more mad at the other one. It sounded like I might have been killing with a younger one. Like I said, it was only seven, seven, half feet tall from the recreation that we did. Having them in the spotlight, having them in the headlight, you know, maybe that aggravated the others. But yeah, we just continue to have stuff occur often on over the years. It was never like never predictable. I would say that it seemed like June and July were really good months when we could expect something. If something was going to happen and then October September October and November were also good months when when stuff would happen. We would hear a lot of vocalizations in the wintertime, especially in like October and November. You would hear off the North slope, you could hear things, screens and howls and stuff like that. There was one night shortly after the gifting incident when I was sitting in my recliner probably like December, now right around December. I'm sitting in my recliner and I'm looking at the March of the TV and the way our house was, it was kind of an open floor plan. And my wife, she put lines up and curtains up on all the windows except for the kitchen window. I asked her if we could at least leave the kitchen window uncovered so they wait at night time, you know, these things could kind of see us see into the house. Just part of the house, they couldn't see the whole house, you know, they could see the kitchen area and they could see a very, very small portion of the living room. The rest of the house was like off limits unless it was during the daytime. They got close enough in the in the tree line to see them because during the daytime we would have the windows and everything open. So yeah, I I I started it and she very reluctantly, you know, she's like, yeah, she's like, that's fine. You know, so my daughter, she's over there. She's doing dishes and I'm sitting there and I'm watching TV and I can see straight in there and I can see her and that that kitchen window is like right in front of her. Where this where the sink is and so normally it's, you know, when I looked in there this night, you know, there was something different. I couldn't quite tell what was different, but I just knew that something was was, you know, like kind of like when you come home in your spouse or your, your wife or whatever your partner move something, your roommate, move something in the house, but you can't quite figure it out. You just know that there's something different about it. That's kind of what it was. I was looking. It wasn't like nothing like real noticeable with them thought occurred to me like normally at night time when I looked at the kitchen window, it's a glossy black shine, you know, because it's just a kitchen light that's reflecting. So everything outside, I mean, like you care, you can't see your, you know, you can't see three feet out of the window, just whatever is illuminated by the kitchen light. But the window this night, it kind of a smoky gray color to it, but it was the whole window and so I'm like, I'm still like, you know, I don't know if that's it, maybe. But anyways, I just know something's not right. So I tell my daughter, I said, hey, I said, if you want, I said, you can, you can stop doing your dishes now and I'll finish them up later. And so like any kid, you know, all excited. As she's running away from the window, or I mean, not really running, but she's leaving the kitchen that whole window, something whatever the smoky gray was, it just stepped to the side and you could just see the glossy black shine. Come across the window again. So there was something outside the window that was filling the entire window and it was just standing there watching. And so I go out the next morning and of course there's tracks right there and they're about 12 feet away from the kitchen window. The kitchen window itself was about six feet off the ground and about four foot four foot wide and I would say probably probably four and a half five foot. It was a weird shape window. That's why it took so long. I said, when it in the beginning when it was busted out, we had a special order it. But yeah, it had been standing there watching her. That happens and she goes on and she's she's playing. She's happy in her bedroom. Nothing else happens that might really for until we go to bed. And we go to bed after we lay down, we've been laying down for maybe about 40 minutes and there was a impact on the backside of the house. It was just a real quick, real, you know, something heavy hit the backside and almost felt like you hear where our bedroom was. So like I said, you know, I went out the next morning to go look for tracks and stuff. I found the tracks there about 12 feet from the kitchen window. But when you go down a little bit further, you have our bedroom. And the first thing that I noticed was it's all shingles wooden shingles on the side of the house. And one of the shingles was busted on the backside of the house. And on the ground was a kind of like a most like a tennis ball sized stone that had impacted the back of the house that hit that shingle. What was funny was about the whole thing to me was that was right where my home, the other side where that shingle was busted was where I sleep. So I was kind of like I kind of turned around, you know, I'm holding the stone in my hand. I kind of turn around. I'm placing the tree line. I'm looking on my alright, you know, you you got you got pissed off. She got in your feelings because I took away your entertainment, you know, and Sophie figured that's what that with what that meant, you know, I don't know. I said, you don't know there's no textbook or anything, but that is the only time that we ever experienced any kind of behavior out of them that was kind of I guess passive aggressive. I don't know it was it was to me it was more kind of amusing because it's like okay, you know, like a little kid throws a fit, you know, type behavior. So yeah, we just had a lot of little stuff that would it would happen often on over the years why we were living out there. We had in any time we would have guests or visitors come and stay with us. It always seemed like the activity increased them. We would we would almost be guaranteed if we had guests to have activity. And so like my aunt, she's not a believer at all. She's, you know, that's just like focus, focus. That's, you know, bigfoot is the world of make believe type stuff. So she comes and she stays with us. And she's sleeping in our daughter's room and she wants to have the window open at nighttime. We're telling her like, yes, that's probably not a good idea. She's like, now y'all, you know, it'll be fine. Y'all don't know. And I'm like, no, you don't know. So she she's laying there and around two in the morning, she gets up and she goes to the bathroom. And she comes back and she lays down in the bed. And this she can hear something walk up to the window. She's got her back to the window. She's facing the wall. And she can hear something walk up to the window. And she can hear it like press on the screen. That's on the window and take like deep breaths almost like it's just, it's not like a, a quick snort, you know, like a berry. You know, they, you know, it was just a, you know, the way she described it. But deeper than you were, I would do it. So I asked her, I said, I said, Alina, I said, did you do look over at the window? Did you bother to look over at it? And she said, no, I didn't look over at it. She said, I was too damn scared. I said, well, I said, do you believe now? And she said, you believe her? Is that what you're saying? And she said, I don't know if I'm gonna say I'm a believer. But I believe you got something weird going on out here. She, she had her little little thing. We had two, two ladies that heard about our property through Mel and Mel had, they were coming down to visit. They were going to a bigfoot convention. They wanted to know if they could camp in our backyard. And so they were up in Canada and they're doing a little Olympic peninsula thing. So Mel put them in contact with me and I was like, I don't know about having strangers in my backyard. Nobody had ever camped in the backyard in my, but I told them I was like, yeah, you know, yeah, that's fine. I got nothing to hide. If you want to come, come on down. And you can, you're camping in the backyard. And I tell them that I said, you know, if it, I said, once we lay down and go to bed though, I said, if it gets too sketchy, you may have to bug out to your car or something and, and may leave. Because we're not coming outside. And I said, my doors will be locked, you know, and she's like, okay, you know, that's, that's fine. And so anyways, they come. They, we sit out there around a campfire and I told them I said, you know, they, one thing that I, that I tell people is just act natural. You know, if you, because it seemed like any time that we would try to find them or anytime we would try to go looking for them or set up cameras where we saw tracks or anything. Activity would just stop. But when we just acted natural and we're being ourselves on our property, that's when things would happen. And so I told them I said, you know, we'll set up in the backyard. Instead of y'all walking and climbing all over the property, we'll just act like campers, you know, we'll see what happens. And so we heard some weird noises, but nothing that I could really say was like Sasquatch behavior, you know, or, you know, it's, it's stuff that I could. Tribute to other things as well. And around 11 o'clock at night, you know, we decided to call it, call it a night and, you know, it's 10 o'clock, I'm sorry, 10 o'clock at night, we call it a night. I go inside the house and they, they brought some gifts for the gifting table. And I told them, you know, what I do, typically just go to the edge of the forest and I, you know, say a little spill and tell them, hey, you know, this is what I do. I go, you know, I explain why I do that, you know, not that I think big foot understands, but maybe he understands my demeanor and my body language. They do that. And they said, hey, we're looking to just have an experience, you know, hopefully not a scary experience. You know, they lay out some, you know, it's in different things and then some plums and they had three plums. They go to bed next morning, they are around two, two in the morning for them. I think she said, I have to go back and look at my text message, but around two in the morning, the one lady she got up to go use the bathroom. And when she is zipping, unzipping the fly to the tent, something big was right outside the tent. She said, I mean, it was, it was just massive and she could steer it as it ran past the tent. And when it ran past the tent, it ran past with such force that the wind kind of shook the tent a little bit. And so she immediately zipped everything back up and just laid there and it woke the other lady up as well. It was with her and sing jumps into the forest and runs off through the woods. Well, the next morning they get up and everything's gone from the gifting table except for the plums. There's one plum that's left. It took two of the plums, but left one. And there was impressions. I wouldn't say tracks, but impressions around the tent on the ground out there. So they were like, wow, you know, they were like, thank you so much for letting us come stay at your house. I was like, you're a braver than I am. I wouldn't sleep out there and the tent and all of a sudden it's out there. So yeah, that's, I mean, those were the, those were the main things, you know, other than just over the over time we would have things that would come up missing from the property. There was one time when we had taken my truck across the peninsula to pick up some furniture and it was late by the time I got home. So I just got the furniture out of the out of the bed of the truck, but I left all the straps and the ropes in the bed of the truck. And the next morning I get up to go to work and when I go to work, it's like three in the morning, right? So you can't really see in the bed of the truck or anything. It's dark and I have no reason to look in there. Anyways, so I'm coming out for first break. And as I'm coming out for my first break, I noticed in the bed of my truck there's a pile of limbs and brush back there. So I'm like, I'm pulling it out. I'm like, how the hell with the hell you know, I'm pulling all out of the bed of my truck. And I noticed all my ropes and those straps were gone. They were missing. And so I was like that. I was like, I wonder if they, you know, I said, I hope nobody gets tied up with that rope. I'm going to have a lot of explaining to do. But yeah, so little things like that would occur off and on throughout the pro nothing that you could say definitively or concrete, but it was just weird. How some of the things would occur and I couldn't really attribute them to other other behaviors of known things like bears. We did, we did have a bear in the neighborhood. He would come up to the property, but he would never come on the property. And I always thought that was weird. We would catch him on security camera camera. And he would come up and sniff. And then he would like, he would kind of hesitate and we kind of hang out. And then he would just turn around and leave. He would never come on the property or never near the gifting table, especially when we had the bacon grease and stuff. And so I knew that that had to be like just torture for a bear. But I was found that to be interesting also that that black bear would never come over to the gifting table and eat. Yeah, that is interesting. It's almost like the bear knew better than to a test of waters on coming on that property. You know, I've seen these creatures. They terrifying me and I'm not proud to say that. But having said that, if I have a property and these things are coming on and I have a wife and I have kids, I'm going to be first to step in front of the bus. So to speak, I'm going to become pop a bear real quick in that situation, very protective. And so you set up these rules, you know, no one can go out at night. Here we're going to close the shades to where you are now sitting up a gifting stump to leave food or whatever for them. And I'm curious on your mindset, you know, if you had a black bear on your property, it would cause concern. The last thing you're going to do is leave food out for it. How do you go from having a set of rules like that to where you're concerned, to where now you're leaving food out for them and you're trying to interact with them. What was your mindset doing that? What was it you were trying to accomplish? Well, I was hoping to maybe establish. So I listened to a lot of shows. Your show included. And I've heard a handful of people can remember. I think I think you did a show one time about a family in Oklahoma. Maybe it's another show that had something similar. But I've heard of a handful of people who had experiences similar to mine. And so, and I would always say I'm really like, man, those people are nuts. You know, like when I listened to the show and it would hear, I'm like, great story, but that guy's nuts. Or that lady's nuts, you know, and then it started happening to us. So I was like, you know, I kind of wanted to, after talking to mail and some of the other natives and stuff, maybe see if I could establish a better way to do it. I don't know how to say it with without it sounding completely crazy, but try to try to get a better understanding of these things, try to bridge a gap, some type of communication going between us. Because I do feel like they're super intelligent. They're not, you know, they have language. They have an ability to reason, I think. You know, just the fact that they would leave for plums behind when we would gift, you know, little things like that. So I kind of wanted to learn more about them. And I was hoping that through gifting my maybe kind of build some level of trust to where we could maybe see them a little better or maybe learn something more. I think that it's okay to have the interactions, but I think there needs to be boundaries and limits. And I think that by doing that, like closing the windows, hey, we don't go out. We don't, you know, the girls don't communicate back with them if they did hear them, you know, things like that. And then too, you know, I would, I would let them know, you know, I was just, I think on a couple occasions, I would go out there and be like, hey, that's not cool. You know, not that I think that they understand, but again, body language. So there was like one time when they slapped the side of the house and the next day I went out there just where I did my gifting. I was like, hey, this and I kind of demonstrated it. And so I think that by doing that, you know, kind of is trying to establish some boundaries. And for the most part, it seemed to work, you know, like if I told them, you know, I didn't, I didn't appreciate something or something that there was behavior that I immediately would show. But it only happened like twice. The majority of their behavior was more curiosity. I never took it and neither did my girls or my wife. We never took it as aggressive or threatening in any way. So we just felt like, okay, if we established some rules by not doing this and this and this, then maybe it's okay to proceed. Of course, we were talking with other researchers, but again, there's no textbook right? There's no way of knowing how this would go. I know that there was sometimes people say, well, gifting is dangerous, you know, because they become accustomed to it. But there would be times where we would gift and then they wouldn't take the gift and they would just, but we would see the tracks or impressions around the house in the morning. And then there would be sometimes where I wouldn't gift it all for maybe like a month or two just because life happens and you get busy and you're not able to get out there and do what you want to do. And so we never experienced any type of passive, aggressive or any type of aggressive behavior for not gifting, I should say. I think that in different parts of the country from what I've read and from what I've studied and seen, it seems like behaviors can vary. But out here, it just seemed like, you know, if we had it out there for them and it was something that they liked, they were like cool. I do know that there was a couple of times when I went for a period of time without gifting, like two or three months, there was one time where there was like a good, I come around the corner one day of the house and there was actually like a basketball sized boulder sitting on top of the gifting table. So I called up my friend Mel and I was like, hey, I was like, how do you interpret that? He's like, they probably want more food. So I was like, okay, guys, I'll get you something, you know, I'll put something out tonight. But yeah, we never experienced anything that would, I would, if it started to become aggressive or anything like that, we would just shut it down. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have continued doing what we're doing. We would have changed things up. We definitely would, would have put all the cameras back up. We went a different route with doing it, but they seemed to always just be curious and on some level respectful of our property for the most part. Yeah, and I know I sound like a judgmental dick when I ask that question, but I didn't mean it that way. Please don't take it that way. I'm a Pisces man. We go off of our emotions and if something's trying to talk to my daughter or scaring my wife, and I see it on my ring cam, now I know what to kill. But again, that's probably not the greatest answer or attitude to have. That's just kind of where my mind would go. And I get your mindset, Matt, I understand what you're saying. You're trying to build rapport and I always get nervous when people talk about setting up these gifting stations because you're playing a game. You have no control over. Yeah, you're right, though. You don't know. And you hear all the stories like we heard up here, the L.W.A. they have the whispering woman. She whispers to the children at night and stills them. And then so it's all like the buck was in the in Vancouver, you know, similar stories of taking children and putting them in baskets and stuff like that. But so you kind of have to wonder a little bit, you know, like where do those stories, where do those legends come from or those bit based off of like, you know, people who had experiences kind of like our so you don't know. But at the same time, like where we live the way I look at it, you know, we live very rural, very remote. You know, there's mountain lines, there's bears, there's all kinds of, you know, there's there's a lot of, you know, dangerous just from the natural wildlife out here. And so, you know, you just take your precautions, you'd be careful, have an open mind if it, if it seems like it's going in a direction that you don't want it to go. There are things that you can do, I think that you know, like putting up cameras for one, you know, because that, for whatever reason, that seemed to work. There, when we didn't have the cameras up though, I'll say this to when I took the cameras down, if they wanted to do something, they could have definitely done it because I would go to work at three in the morning, like clockwork, well, about 340, I would head out the door to my truck and I'd be out there all by myself walking to my truck. And that would be a perfect time if you were going to do something. Yeah, you don't know. So you, you kind of start off and you're kind of careful. I did a lot of research and a lot of looking into that, gifting stuff before I did it. And I talked to some other people who had done it before I made up my mind. It wasn't like just a decision that I jumped right into. I spoke to Mel's hand who has done it. And he said some level of success with it and some other people that I talked to that he put me in touch with. So I kind of, I kind of weighed all that a little bit in my brain before I, before I did it. And some time had actually passed where we're about two years into these experiences. And we hadn't experienced anything aggressive. So I felt like maybe, maybe it's okay to try to up it to the next level and see what happens. And again, I know that you, you moved away from the property about three months ago. But while this was going on, did you notice a report change between you and the creatures while you were gifting? I guess before you moved, you never really stopped gifting. But did you ever notice a report change? No, it never, the report never really changed. I mean, you know, if it was out there and there was something they like, they took it. And if not, then they would just sit there. And I will say there was, there were sometimes in like plums, I would have the plums out. And we would find tracks on the property, but the plums were never touched. So it's like said 95% of the time, they didn't really take anything off the gifting table. But there's, there's that 5% of the time where there we go, you know what? Tonight, you know, I guess they were filling it or something so they would take it. But other than that, no, we never experienced anything other than the rock, you know, being placed on the table when I would go for some time without being gifted. I know that little river stone that I talked about banging on the air conditioning unit. One thing that I didn't mention before I don't think was that the river stone, we would take that away. And like I kept it, I took it inside the house. But another river stone would be put up there. So like we could, you know, if we move the river stone or put it on the ground. There, you know, it may go two or three weeks without anything. And then you come around the corner and there'd be a little river stone sitting on top of that window unit. So why I don't, I don't understand that at all. So I just got to I left that alone. And even when we moved it was still sitting up there. So I left it. I just whatever. But. Yeah, I appreciate sharing that, especially leaving the boulder on the gifting stump, that's the gifting table. That's kind of weird. And you kind of alluded to it earlier, not really alluded. You kind of said it that you think it's more of a hominid. So you're kind of thinking it's more of a human not so much animal. I think it's I think it has more human tendencies than an animal. Yes, I do. There was funny that this very question came up the other day at work. You know, I work for the state of Washington now. And I got back into doing what I did back home. So I said, I don't believe in bigfoot. He said, you believe in you really believe in all that mess, parish. And I said, no, I said, I don't, I don't believe in bigfoot, not the sense. Not the bigfoot that you're talking about. He's like, what do you mean? I said the pop culture, bigfoot, the one that is just some dumb eight one two legs running around. I think it's much more than that. Based off of my experiences, I do believe I know that there's something out there. What they are. I couldn't tell you, but to say it's just another animal. I think that's I don't think that's completely accurate. There's something a little bit more than than just animal. They have language. They like said they have a from what it from what I can see. Reasoning ability. Just, you know, there's there's more to them and they're highly intelligent to be able to stay hidden this long. That's as big as they are. You know, that's that's the other thing too. It's just it's it's baffling. You know, I know that there are some people who have paranormal experiences with these things. You know, some people say that they can cloak some people say that they have had people asked me, did they ever speak to telepathically? No, we never experienced anything like that. We did have one guest that came to our house one time. It was a professor. His name is Mike Nitz out of the university of South Dakota. He came there to do a he's a research kind of project there. He's going to be bringing a class around the peninsula and show them different spots. But anyways, he he wanted to stay at the property. So him and another friend. And so they stayed in. They claimed that they they saw some strange lights. I I'd never seen any strange lights and I did not personally see the strange lights that they were seeing. But they also slept outdoors and I slept inside my house because I'm not fixed. You know, I didn't although I felt like these things were not dangerous, I didn't feel comfortable enough sleeping in a tent. You know, I didn't want to I didn't want to quite test that bad out yet. But I don't think it's an animal. I think it's I don't think it's a person either. I think it's something in between a home like a hominate. Yeah, and I agree with you a lot of their behavior seems more than just an animal. I get completely your mindset. And I don't blame either. You know, if I had two big foot researchers come hang out in a tent on my property. I'd rather be in a warm bed with my beautiful wife than out there with them that I'm blaming for not going out there. It's an amazing account man. I really appreciate you coming on. I was it's a pleasure to meet you. I saw you on Flashabuty and I was like, wow, I really want to chat with this guy. Those real honor having you on. Thank you again for coming on. Oh, yeah, no, thank you for having me. And that's it for tonight everyone. Remember if you've had an encounter shoot me an email. My email address is west at saskwatchcronacles.com. And if you get a chance, check out saskwatchcronacles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. Tonight's on my wholesome tone. Go alone. Tonight's on the beach. You know where that tune going. Tonight's on this is my home. This is my home. Remember it's a few deep and tender eyes. Close it this guy. On my smile I'm a memory of you. I saw music you and I write the lights on and it's by the way, grow wider. Tonight's on the beach. Tonight's on the beach. Tonight's on the beach. Tonight's on the beach. Tonight's on this is my home. This is my home. Remember it's a few deep and tender eyes. Close it this guy. 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