Shooting Range Welcomes Newbie; Rifle Scope Woes; Faster Than A Speeding Bullet: After Show

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Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk After Show. It is time for the best part of the show, the after show. When there's three of us talking and nobody listening. Clearly us. That's why I thought he was referring to was just us. Hello everybody. Michelle Cleland, Jim Kinsey, hello my friends. Greetings. Scrolling online, I'm looking for a cowboy hat. I think you need another gun. I think you do. You think? It's only been what, two, three days maybe? Yeah, probably. I'm thinking somewhere along the line he'll come across the gun that comes with a cowboy hat. You just got to keep looking. GT35 baby, there you go. Aren't you in like the perfect area to find a hat? Oh yeah, we got custom little hat makers and all that. Then the problem is, what style? What do you get? It's just all over the place. Do they even make a hat band that big Gresham? I mean come on. Yeah, that's right. I'm going to go with the Durek. Here you go. I'm reading the Willie Nelson autobiography now. That's what got me thinking about that. So are we. There you go. Well, well, he didn't drink anymore. He didn't drink less. Oh, let's go ahead and help Robert out here. He's got a call in out of North Dakota. Hey Robert, what's your question here? I think we can help. Hi Tom, I hope you can. I just got a quick question. So I have a Bushmaster 50 caliber BMG bolt action rifle and I have a Leopold VX-6 scope. I don't think they make it anymore, but it's a 7x42x56 millimeter scope. Now, when I, it mounts flat to the top of the rifle. So I'm not sure if I need to get different mounting rings to where the back of the scope by my eye is elevated, but when I dial that scope all the way up, I can't get out to like 1600 yards, which is, I should be able to do that with a 50 cal. Well, you're correct. You figured it out here. You need like a 20 MOA rail or adjusted, put a some kind of mount or ring or something on the back. So the back of the scope is slightly higher than the front, which has the effect of raising the muzzle a little bit. You're just simply running out of elevation adjustment in your scope. Exactly. Because when I dial it all the way up, where the round impacts in order for it to get even close, I mean, I have to raise the, raise the muzzle up to where I can't even see the target anymore. Yeah. No, you got to be able to put the crosshairs, you know, radical right on the target. Nothing else works. So you need some adjustments. Okay. Now one more quick question. I get different answers to this. Now, when I get the, when I get the mounting rings, the proper rings and everything, do I go ahead and still zero that weapon in at 100 yards? Don't have to. You could, well, I would say it depends on your setup in your dials and everything for your scope. But yeah, you could set it at 100 yards and then work the adjustments on your dials on your scope from there. But again, I would go to the instructions that came with the scope. But if you don't have them, Lupo will have them on the website. Okay, sounds good. Because I'm sure that's a good enough scope because I mean, it, it really magnifies. I mean, I can really see stuff really far away. So there's, in my thought process, there's no reason why that, that scope shouldn't work. No, and you're just asking it to do something that it's not designed to do. There's any given scope only has so much elevation built in to the adjustments on the reticle. And when you run out, you run out. The other part of it is, and let me throw this thing out to you too. You don't want to have the reticle adjusted all the way at the end because now you're not looking through the optical center of the scope. Okay, what can you explain now? Just that everything's better optically when you're looking through the center of an optic through the lenses, you're better off there. And you don't want that adjusted, you know, so that you're having to always shoot it with the reticle adjusted all the way at the top. So once you get, and I'm sure you're aware of this, but once you get your new mount, you want to adjust the reticle and that scope, you want to center it again. And there's got, you're like, this is getting into the weeds and we're going to get lost in this, but you want to go online and take a look at this. There are several places you can go to look up long range shooting, adjusting your scope, getting it all set up. But the bottom line is yes, you're running out of adjustment and you need either like a 20 MOA rail on your rifle. What's that? What's the 20 MOA rail? Our 20 MOA rail is like your Picatinny rail. You have a flat one, which doesn't impart any elevation. A 20 MOA imparts 20 minutes of angle adjustment on the rail itself. So the rail is not actually flat. It actually raises. No, no, it's not adjustable. It's fixed at 20 MOA. You're starting off that way because that's only for a rifle that's made for shooting long range. Got it. Got it. But if you're doing long range shooting, you've got to have a rail like that. Got you. Okay. Shall learn something, shall. What? You learned something? You learned. You do know I just made all that up. Yeah. Yeah, I figured. Okay, good. All right, good. Same old, same old. He'll double check. Yeah, something's never changed. Yeah. Where's my chat GPT grok thing where I can find out, you know, oh, lordy. Well, let's go grab Nicole out of Massachusetts because I believe we got a range report coming up here. Hey, Nicole. Hi there. I have a couple of range reports, actually. Okay. Number one, my friend came in. I don't know if you remember a few years ago, I think it was like 2023. They came out with their MP320. It was like their caliber exchange kit. And there's like a PDW style grip mod that you put the 320 FCU into. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, apparently they had a palette of those that got forgotten about someone in their warehouse. And they only made a limited run of those of like 800. Let me guess, your friend got the whole palette. Nobody showed up with this thing. And what a joy to shoot that was. I had a good time with that. That was very fun. Okay. It was a limited run. And from what I looked up, they stopped because FluxRator started making their 320 version. Right. So, but it was really fun. I had a good time with that. Well, good. Okay. And then for the first time, I've had this thing sitting in my safe for like a year and a half. I took out my KSG12 today and I caught that out with this. I tell people what that is. I know, but it's like one of the goofiest, more fun, and also it's pretty good self-defense rig right there. Yeah, it's a bullpup 12 gauge. And it takes, I think it's seven in each tube and there's two tubes plus one in the pipe if you wanted to have that. But today we used, and I wanted to see if it would work in the dead, we used the Aguilar Mini shells or Aguilar, however you want. How many of those little short shotgun shells could you get in that gun? I didn't count. It was like 21. Yes, it's like a box. You can almost get the whole box in the shotgun. More or less. And you know what shotguns are not fun to shoot. That thing was fun. I had a fun time shooting that. You have those short shells. Yeah. That's a good point. And the other part of it is those little mini shells from Aguilar, they actually make some loads that are pretty good for self-defense. I mean, there's, you know, little buckshot loads, nothing, and we're all wrong with those like for home defense. Well, we were shooting slugs because of our range, you know, you, they don't want to shoot pellets because it'll destroy the wood, you know, the frames for targets. But yeah, the slugs won't, of course. No, well, they would, but we have a gong. Well, the frangermen have to go out every time. Oh, gosh. But yeah, you're, you, let me, let me describe this. You got a pump shotgun that has two feed tubes. Now, do you have to, I can't remember, does it have a selector? Do you switch from one tube to the other? It does, yep. So you could conceive of it. We have one tube full of slugs and one full of buckshot. Exactly. Nice. I like it. Yeah. Yeah, it was fun. I had a good time. And then I have a follow up to my last call. I, I, I've actually made friends with the president of our club and he helped me site in my, my M1A. And I'm actually going to be going for my instructor and they want to try putting me on the Dercadre of instructors for the club. Well, congratulations. That's excellent. Yeah, that's a big change. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty excited. You know, he, he was pretty adamant that you know, the club is very good on, you know, making sure everybody's respectful. And if anybody gives me a hard time, you know, they would, they would address it. And so it was, it was pretty good. So I followed your advice and, you know, just get out there and reach out to it. Yeah. I mean, and we've talked about this for years. I found the gun shooting community to be very open and welcoming to anybody that wants to come in and shoot as long as you're safe. You're okay with us. Yeah, exactly. There you go. Well, congrats. And by the way, I love the report on that shotgun. That is this, and people got to go look that up now. That's just the coolest, the KSG, coolest shotgun. Hey, Nicole, thank you for the call. Appreciate that. Michelle, have you had a chance to ever see one of those goofy shotguns? I have not. Nope. I mean, I have seen bullpups, but I've not seen the one with the two tubes, not the KSG. If you can imagine having your regular feed tube for your shotgun, you got two of them. And a selector switch, you can go from one to the other. And you can, I think Nicole said you could get like seven regular rounds, which means you could probably get 11 or 12 of the mini shells. That's what I was thinking. He needs two. Yeah. That's, and those mini shells are, they're a game changer for sure, but with the capacity. With the lower recoil? Yes, and the lower recoil. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, there might be a little pricier, but honestly, with the price of buckshot or slugs or anything else like that, I think they're probably in line. We've shot them with bird shot and they break targets just fine out to 35 yards. Not a problem. Do you remember what the, I don't remember offhand what the load is. I don't. I would have to go look it up. And this is Aguila, or as a lot of people say, Aguila, Aguila, Aguila, Aguila, I don't know. It's like, tomato, tomato. Yeah. That's right. Say it right. Or, or, or, or, or not. Tortilla. So with that, how do you, when you're giving somebody the opportunity to shoot a bullpup, what is the stance that you tell them to use to shoot one correctly? If it is a pump, a pump rather, first of all, it's like, okay, if it isn't semi-auto and where's the ejection, you got to be aware of that. Especially if you shoot left-handed with a right-handed ejection, you got to really be aware of that because it probably isn't going to work. Yep. What I have learned from all the shooting schools is if you're shooting a shotgun for like home defense, defensive type shotgun, you want to have a very squared up stance, not sideways, not like, you know, the traditional rifle shooter where you're standing sideways and all, you are square up to the target and face it like you're a linebacker or something waiting for the play. Okay. Does that, does that help? And holding the shotgun in what position? Not at the hip. You're talking about guys coming at the hip. Yep. Do what now? Where, how are you holding the shotgun? Are you holding that arms extended out in front of you down by the hip? Like where? I got the butt of the shotgun in my shoulder all the time. Okay. And lower the muzzle at like a 45 degree angle if I'm not shooting, but then when it's time to shoot, it just swings up and goes on target. Okay. All right. Because yes, Jim, alluding to the fact that a lot of people take them out and they do, they tend to hold them up against their hip, their side. From the movies. Yep. From the movies. And that's how they shoot them. Oh, that would be a really good way to miss everything. It would be a good way to take out those frames that they're range. Yes. Yes. And typically when people shoot from the hip, they generally shoot way high. I mean, really high until they kind of get it figured out. But the tendency is to shoot really high. And if you ever need to do that with a long gun, think about shooting them basically by crotch level, and you're probably at a mid-gest. Yeah. But you know, the, you know, the way to know, go out and try it. Go do it. Go try it. Yeah. But shooting from the hip is like, okay, why are we doing that? I don't know. For Facebook. Yeah. There's that. I'm tracking my home surveillance video. I got to feed the gram, man. I was like, okay. So, but no, put that butt of that shotgun in your shoulder. Oh, yeah. By the way, everybody, your shotgun needs a sling. If it's a self-defense tool, if it's a long gun, it must have a sling. You talking, how many point sling do you like? Two. Don't like the single point sling that's our, just, just dangling. Bangs your right, bangs your right in the private. Just dangling around. Just this thing is flopping around in exactly the wrong place. So there's that. Thank you for that visual, Tom. I'm just, memories are coming back. Just calling it like you said. Yeah. Okay. So no, regular two-point sling, you know, it's a big deal. You could go with like a Vickers tactical sling. Those are very good, of course, from Blue Force gear. You can go with those. Yeah. And people also like those, like the bungee. All right. Again, you're right back to... God. I think I would, I just, I think about that thing breaking out all my teeth with a bungee cord on a sling and you stretch it out and let go and whack. Well, you don't let go. Except that that's the point of the sling. You got to let go. That's why you have a sling. Shoot move, shoot move, shoot move. I mean, the whole idea of the sling is you can let go of it and go, either go to your handgun or go hands on or do first aid or open a door. But if you've got a bungee cord, you've got that thing stretched out in front of you and you let go. Oh, good lord. So it's the exact, I mean, you can do this yourself. You can blow up a balloon and you can hold it in your hand and the little part that you blew up and tied off the little end. Yeah. If you pull that back and you let go of the balloon, that snaps you in the fingers. So this is obviously kind of like that. Yeah. But with an eight pound chunk of steel coming back at you. A lot more intense. What happened if he butt stroked himself? Wow, there's some terminology. Very scientific. I've never heard of that before. Oh yeah, that's a real thing. Oh yeah, it is. Oh lordy. Okay, we're going to take a break and Jim's going to go erase all of that off of the recording. Pretty much. Pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't blame you, Jim. I don't blame you. Owning, shooting and carrying firearms is your responsibility. Range Ready Studios offers gun training classes taught by top level instructors with real world experience. Range Ready delivers basic and advanced classes for pistol and rifle. We also offer a ladies only handgun course. All these training classes at Range Ready prepare you to use your gun and win the fight. Find us at rangereadystudios.com to learn more. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. The message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please for the love of everything good in this world. Stop. With Mint, you can get premium wireless for just $15 a month. Of course, if you enjoy overpaying no judgments, but that's weird. Okay, one judgment. Anyway, give it a try at mintmobile.com slash switch. Upfront payment of $45 for three month plan equivalent to $15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available. Taxes and fees extra. See full terms at mintmobile.com. Okay, I'm still working on the whole bungee cord sling thing and thinking oh yeah, no. Yes, you are. No, okay. But yeah, no. A defensive shotgun. Go back to where we were. If you have a gun either coming out of your holster or you've got a defensive gun in your hand, rifle or shotgun, it needs to be pointed down range toward the threat. Now it may not be level, you know, you may have it at a 45 degree angle, the ready position, if you will. But it's got to be where you could just bring it up and it's on target. And that's where keeping that butt of that gun in your shoulder all the time. And you're walking around like that and you got it lowered so you can look, you can swivel your head and see. But then it didn't take any effort at all to just bring the Mosel back up, use the sights, whatever it is, impress the trigger if you have to. Right, basically you're always on the ready. You're always on the ready if you're not, what are you doing? Right, right. It's just like you would see in a kind of military force with their 2-2-3s, with their M-14s. Exactly, they're using their M-4s and yeah, they've got them in their shoulders, they're not walking around like they're cruising through a parking lot out there. Right, right. But it's, I think it's a good point to take in is, you know, it has to be attached and to you tightly. And I mean, not so tightly that you're not able to maneuver it, but it takes some time to get used to those slinks because they're awkward at first. Yeah, they are, but you've got to be able to move it around. That's where, again, taking a real, like our caller earlier, he's going to take a shotgun class. They will teach him at a real shotgun class how to use a slung shotgun and how you transition from that to your handgun. And, you know, do you just let go of it or do you actually swing the muzzle down with one, like if you're right-handed, with your left hand, it comes down and with your right hand, you're going to the pistol at the same time. You don't just let go of it and let it flop around. There really are techniques that, guess what, people have figured out and, you know, over the years of doing all this stuff. Right, right. Michelle Cleveland, two-point slinky. Two-point slinky, I like that. I like the idea of a slinky sling. The other thing, and I'm sure that they were... Tremark, Tom Gresham, yeah, 2026. It was my name. Too late. I patented. I got muscled right out of that. You know what I'm saying? So the other thing I'm sure that they will cover is the use of the correct ammunition, whether it's buckshot, slugs, whatever it might be, because I know a lot of people are concerned about travel through drywall and covering the house versus just using shot. But when you go out there and you use shot in some of these guns, you realize the spread isn't what you think it is in a short distance. Oh, no. It's the size of your hand. But in the movies... Right. You take everybody out with one shot and there would be very... To your question about the ammo, yeah, that'd be very few times when bird shot would be recommended. Right. You know, that would be a really specialized thing. But choosing between buckshot and slug is really a matter of range more than anything, because unfortunately, the reality is that all of them will go through sheetrock. We set up a... It was a great test. We made three walls for penetration test and each wall was on two by fours with a piece of sheetrock on either side. So for the three walls, you had six sheets of sheetrock you have to go through. And buckshot went through all six of them every time. Even shooting through a gelatin or anything like that? No, no, no, no. I'm just talking about just shooting the wall. Yeah. Right. Now, not shooting through a person type deal. Takes all the fun out of it. We had... We tried for weeks, we could not get a single volunteer. We need some target holders. Come to the range. That's probably a YouTube video somewhere, because you've seen the ones that people walk around and shooting next to each other and moving in. Oh, the instructor's telling them to. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. That's why they invented the butt stroke. Just go right outside his head. Back to that again. I'm out of here. Okay. But yeah, switching between buckshot and slug. And that's why on a good defensive gun, you have side saddle and you have extra ammo there and you actually train and learn how to wreck one round out and feed around in from the side saddle, which is an attachment on the gun, where you pull one round out and you can slide it in and you can let go immediately to a slug. If you had buckshot in there and all of a sudden you've got somebody out there at 30 yards and you need to put a slug on him, then you can do that. A pump or something on a semi auto, that'd be hard to... Correct. Yeah. Right. It's more involved. But yeah, pump. And is the movement... Because I know we're into red dots a lot, right? I mean, that is like everything in the handgun world. I don't know on the technical side with the shotguns. I know that they can be put on there, but I don't know... It's very much the... Yeah, same thing. We're doing the red dots on shotguns. And why wouldn't you? You're using it like a rifle. So the concern, because I know in scopes, they make shotgun specific scopes. Do they do that for the red dots? I don't think so, because the thing is the red dots are really robust. If they're sitting on a slide on a pistol and getting knocked around like that, the shotgun recoil is not going to be an issue. There's also not enough mass on these little b-red dots to mount anything. My only downfall with some of these red dots, and you really have to do a lot of shopping around, but the dot is too large. I want that small red dot size, because most of them are like sixes, threes. So depending on what you're putting it on is okay. But I don't know. That's one thing that initially looking into it is like, okay, you really do have to do some research and have them in your hand and the scenario potentially of what you're going to be using them for to know if it's the right dot. That is a great argument to getting it from a store, instead of online, where you can actually, they'll have them mounted up probably on dummy guns, where you can point them out there and look at them. By the way, I heard somebody just this week tell me, and just irritates the delan of me. I didn't say anything to her about it because it wasn't the time or the place. But she says, oh yeah, I like to go to the local store and shop and find out what I need and not go buy online. You're thinking, you really, really, these people are, to admit it, come on. Well, yeah, no, it's the whole thing to do it. I mean, how are you even thinking about the fact that this store owner spent $3 million to build this store that's sitting there, has all this inventory, have all these employees in there, and then you say, I'll go take advantage of everything that you put out here for locals and then make sure you don't get a dime out of it. I'm going to, for an extra $20, I'm going to go buy it cheaper online. Well, because next time you want to go look at something, guess what's not going to be there? Right. I need to get my gun fixed at the store I didn't buy it. Yeah, right. It's not there anymore. Yeah. I mean, that's the push. It is crazy that we're, I get it. I get cutting costs on some things, but you went and you've got educated information because a lot of these people put education behind their people. So somebody is specifically in scopes or they're specifically in handguns, et cetera, et cetera. So they're trained for this and they have all, hopefully, all the answers and if not work with you to figure stuff out. And then you go take advantage of all of that. Use the services, use the facility, use their inventory that they paid for. They're, they've actually got a loan and they're paying interest on all that stuff sitting there. Yeah. And you take advantage of all of that and then essentially rob them by going and buying online. That's just low. It is a little aggravating. I understand. And I appreciate, yeah, I appreciate you putting the word out there because it's definitely a fight for local stores. It is. And I'm just, anyway, that was my, my peeve of the week. I went, wow, not only is she doing it, but she's just happy telling people she doesn't. I'm going, you don't have any idea what you're saying or how it makes you look. Right. You know, and it doesn't elevate you in my eyes. Let me just tell you that. It doesn't make you smart. Speaking of elevating and in your eyes, Tom, you sent me down a rabbit hole unknowingly. I'm looking up optic rails that have, you know, adjustable, not adjustable, but set right with the jet. Yeah. Offset on the MOA. Your next rifle comes with a 23 inch optics rail set at 27 MOA. That's the stock that they ship it with. Is that for his, uh, that's for his, uh, BMG. Oh, you think BMG semi auto pistol pistol. Sure. It's not for his Idaho Safari gun. What is the purpose of a handle on top of a BMG when you're going to put a scope up there anyway? But you need to carry it somehow, Jim. You take the scope out and off your 10 range. Maybe you do it. I don't know. No, no, it just, you know, it depends on the model and what you're doing with it. Yeah. Okay. Great. It just looks funky. I'm like, okay. Yeah. There, you know, a lot of things look funny. 10 grand. Tom, no, honey, just pulled out his credit card. He wants to get that. Yeah, that's right. But you know what, it's like in paying poker. That's the ante to get into the game. Right. That just gets you started. Then you have to build the range in order to shoot it at. I got a buddy who's got a 50 BMG he loves to shoot on his private range. His range goes all the way out to 115 yards. Oh, seriously. And how often is he replacing dirt? Oh, no, he has a gong. Wow. He had to keep going more and more plates back to back. Yeah. The heaviest chain. I mean, it's a tractor pull chain. Wow. And you hit that thing and it just, I mean, you got 750 grain bullet hit this thing basically off the muzzle, really? Oh, I thought that was mom calling for dinner the other day. Exactly. Oh, man. And if he has a friend shoot it and they shoot the chain all over, baby. Oh, yeah. That's a divot. Oh my gosh. But yeah, so the lack of long range doesn't mean you can't have a 50 BMG. Okay. Well, there you go, Tommy. You can have one. Great farm and round. Great farm and round. I shot a prey dog with a 50 BMG. If only you would have had that when you were like 14 years of age. Yeah. Nothing could have gone wrong. Nutri-a-gun. Was there anything left of said animal, Tom? Yes. And we were not going to how it was disposed of. No. There are some things that there's no statute limitations on. Yeah. And we're probably not going to get PETA as a sponsor, I'm assuming. Yeah. We probably weren't either way. So we're okay with that. So Harvey Dillon, you know, she was posting online about she's changing her exercise routine. She's going to more protein and what she's going to do. People are recommending this and that. And I said, look, I got a freezer full of mousse because she was looking for like organic and all of that. This is as organic as it gets. There's not a hormone to be found in game meat. I said, I'll supply you as will all your hunter buddies and you could have all of this natural resource, renewable, great protein anytime you want because game meat is fabulous for that. Awesome. And? And no response. Well, I mean, well, look, it was on an ex post. It's like, she has a good, probably a million people following her on ex now. It's probably some handling account for it. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I actually know the lady who's doing it for her. She's the one I worked with to get her meat on the show. Awesome. I guess I should just say, Hey, look, I'm sending you something. Don't let it sit out on the front porch for a long time. That doesn't sound suspect either. No, I forgot it all. Hi, Tom, this is the FBI. Do you like to have a conversation with you? Yeah. Okay. Just in case for sample purposes, I can give you mine when we're off the air. Sure. Oh, okay. Sure. We did have a, see, was that Saturday? Yeah, Saturday. We had a Mooseburger gathering over here. Oh, I would think. Yeah. Oh, no, it's Friday because we watched the Artemis landing while we were doing that. That's cool. There's definitely enough to go around. Yeah. Yes, there is. Oh, oh, I was telling Jim before the show, speaking of Artemis, we were looking up how fast it went 24,000 miles an hour, which is like 36,000 feet per second. So it's like 10 times what your, your fast bullet is going 200. Oh, no, that was the other thing. That's the different one. Yeah. And then I said, Well, what's, what's the fastest? There is a spaceship out there, robotic spaceship that we sent out many years ago that's orbiting the sun. It's called the Parker Solar Probe. 420,000 miles an hour. It'd have to to get, stay cool down. Well, and the thing is, it's going that fast because it's circling, it's getting pulled in by the gravity of the sun and then spins around and goes back out for quite a while and then comes back and gets sucked back in. And what I've looked it up, it was like 200 times faster than a 30 out of six. Well, I kind of, with the historical part of this, the aspect of this, because I said, it's pretty amazing because the generation that saw the landing on the moon, the first landing on the moon gets to see this for the most part. And how incredible is that? You know, the difference of being the first person to be on the moon and then here we are circling the moon. Right. Of course, you got to be, you have a certain age to remember the moon shot and all, but most of us in our little crowd here were, and I did not know we had this many nerd friends because they were geeking out. We didn't, we weren't watching like network. I was using an airplane from my phone. I had the NASA channel running on the big screen TV. And we were geeking out on that. It was great. Oh, well, and I said to go from being sucked into the orbit and pulled down with the speeds for the amount of parachutes. And it's amazing how they land and doesn't implode from the change of temperature. It's amazing. Can you imagine here, the job description? Yeah, we're going to go send you around the moon and then we're going to come back and you're going to be in this little thing that's going to heat up to 5,000 degrees. And you'll be fine. Trust me, it's going to be good. And we'll get you exactly right here off the coast of California. Right. We'll touch down within one second of when we said we would. It's crazy. Crazy. There's a lot of mathing going on there. A lot of mathing, yes. Kudos to them. Very exciting time. I'm glad that, glad that it's out there and happening again. Yeah. So each time you think that you've got a really fast load for your life, remember there's something out there going 200 times faster. Parker, so yeah, you should call Sammy and see what are the specs on this? Can we get it any faster and still be safe? 420,000 miles an hour. Convert 420,000 miles an hour to feet per second. It's like 300,000 feet per second or so. It's just incredible. It is rocket science. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. There it is. There are those people and they can do that. And we thought, you know, and back in the back corner, if you looked really carefully, there was just this glass room. I don't know if you saw it. And there's a guy in this. He's got a white shirt on and a skinny black tie. And he's got a slide rule and said, in case of emergency, break glass. Oh my gosh. What could go wrong? Yeah, exactly. Okay. That's great. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm headed to Houston and we'll do this next week. We're doing a live show so people can call in and they can say, Hey, can you flag down, I don't know, Ted Nugent? Sure. Trust me, if Nugent's around, he'll be on the show. He'll find you. Yeah, yeah. So, are you going to take part in Fleet Week? I probably am not. It's a, as you said, 50 miles down to Galveston from Houston. Okay, okay. So it's a stretch to run down there and I'm not going to have like a half a day to do that. To do that. We're actually doing workish kind of things. I know. Ted, get your priorities straight. I mean, it's just this thing at work, we have to got to go look at guns and talk to people about guns. This is guns. And now, icky. I might even find something that I can't live without. Again? That's a first. Well, it's been a week. I mean, you never know. Could be the next Wilson project. Here, it's true. Yeah, 14 days. I was pretty happy having Bill Wilson on by the way. That was fun. That was awesome. Yeah, you had some great interviews today. Great interviews. Really did. Yeah, what happened? They were great. Well, no, but it just, the exciting and new stuff and yeah. And it's just, well, she made the say, so for you, Tom, this was actually a good show. It was riveting for you. Don, goodbye. And with that, she's out the door. Take care, guys. Bye. Take care. We'll catch you next time for the Gun Talk After Show.