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And then at the end of the show, we're each going to share a love that people love to hate. But first let's get into it. What a week. The East Wing of the White House is no more. Tonight sources tell ABC News President Trump is aiming to tear down the entire East Wing of the White House by this coming weekend to make way for his new ballroom. This is a metaphor Trump yelled over the din of construction. Not to get sentimental about the White House, but this hurts to watch. There's so much history being lost. I mean, this is the building that inspired my one season sitcom. So how did we get here? I remember when the idea of Donald Trump tearing down the White House to make way for a gaudy ballroom was a joke. In fact, I helped write it. Say what you will about Mr. Trump. He certainly would bring some change to the White House. Let's see what we've got up there. How did we know? So how did we get here? Like a commercial plane crash or that time you accidentally shit in your car? It wasn't just one mistake that led us here. It was a cascade of failures. Economic dislocation, the decline of community, the dismantling of unions and civil rights legislation, deindustrialization, phones with no home button, depraved elites, Craven politicians, right wing propaganda, Hannah Gadsby's Nenette, Moneyed interest, alienation and radicalization online, Disney adults, moral decay, Classic bigotries, that imagine video, the ways in which nationalized and globalized society created a deficit in meaning and dignity that consumerism could not close. But I want to add another cause that gets short-tripped because it seems less sophisticated. These people are fucking losers. In their hearts and souls they are losers and they're mad they're losers and they have no one to blame but themselves and that is fundamentally unsatisfying. This week we learned more about Paul Ingrassia, Trump's nominee to lead the office of special counsel after Politico reported that he had sent racist texts in a separate and new, cursed Republican group chat. At least the only group chat Rudy Giuliani is in is with several uncoordinated scammers all pretending to be different Ukrainian women. Choose me, Rudy, choose me. No, choose me. In January of last year Ingrassia wrote in the chat, MLK Jr. was the 1960s George Floyd and his holiday should be ended and tossed into the seventh circle of hell where it belongs. A big Dante guy, huh? Because you also like to watch? Look at Dante in Virgil Air. Let's punch in on those two. A couple of fucking pervs, look at that. And look at this bat guy that's also in the painting. Who's that guy? The fuck? Jesus Christ replied another participant in the Ingrassia chat. That participant, the Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg. A month earlier, Ingrassia whipped out an Italian slur for black people and said, from Kwanzaa to MLK Jr. Day to Black History Month to Juneteenth, every single one needs to be eviscerated. Do you know how racist you've got to be to want to see paid federal holidays come off the board? Unless you're trying to run a business. And then July 4th lands on a Wednesday and it blows the whole fucking week in February of 2024. Ingrassia wrote of then presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, Never trust a Chinaman or Indian, never. And I know what you're thinking, is that Pirates of Penzance? It's not. Ingrassia's lawyer said in a statement that the texts could be manipulated or out of context, but if they are authentic, they're clearly self-deprecating and satirical. A dry wit that Paul Ingrassia, very dry. A Sauvignon Blanc nationalist, if you will. That's a great joke. Sauvignon Blanc nationalist is a fucking great joke. I'm not saying you didn't laugh the right amount. It got what it deserved. A great joke doesn't need to get a great laugh. In my theory. But then on Tuesday, Ingrassia backed out of his confirmation hearing, writing on social media, unfortunately I do not have enough Republican votes at this time. This in classic loser fashion, after his mother went to Congress on his behalf, yes, Ingrassia's mom went to Jamie Raskin and Robert Garcia's office in person this summer to confront them after they expressed grave concerns about Ingrassia's close association with anti-Semitic extremists. But how can Ingrassia be anti-Semitic when his mother is, at the very least, spiritually Jewish? It's no wonder these guys seek hierarchies that grant status by default. It's why the Trump administration declares war on DEI while filling virtually every leadership position with a bunch of 40th percentile whites. Like Defense Secretary and guy who is fine to drive, Pete Hagseth. Who, according to the conservative Washington Times, has lost the trust and respect of military leaders. But he's gained something even more valuable. They're contempt. The turning point was when Hagseth decided to summon hundreds of generals and admirals from around the world to Quantico for an indulgent and pointless pep rally, extremely insecure behavior, in which he talked about appearance and facial hair. It's like that time in college where you drove four and a half hours to Bowdoin to see your boyfriend performing in his a cappella group, treble in paradise, and then watching him sing, you immediately got the ick. Pentagon sources also describe chaos that's weakening the military. Said one officer, we are bleeding talent, talented generals and flag officers for what appears to be the opposite of a meritocracy. Bad for our national security, great for our newest four-star general, a gas station attendant who yelled, You got this, bro, while Hagseth was throwing up next to you, but for some reason not in a trash can. Speaking of wanting to puke, let's talk about OMB director and guy who doesn't understand why this trolley situation is being described as a problem, Russ Vote. So what happens if Moby eats pork after midnight? Zutaya reported on Tuesday that during his 2024 campaign, Trump was obsessed with getting vote laid after his recent divorce and bragged about all the pussy vote would get with Trump as his wingman. I'm also single, I'm also single, boss. I didn't know what voice to do. I'm also single, boss, said Paul and Gracia while checking to see if anybody left a little shrimp in those tails. Sometimes people turn them, they leave a lot of good meat in those shrimp. Said Paul and Gracia. But it all makes sense. Vote was one of the architects of Project 2025 and he's a smart guy, but that wouldn't be enough. He could only dismantle the government with this level of enthusiasm and vitriol with the power of divorced guy energy. After all, if you love one person, you love the whole world. If your marriage falls apart, you destroy USAID. Speaking of disgusting shit, over the weekend Trump posted an AI video in which he wears a crown, flies a fighter jet and dumps what sure looks like poop on Saturday's No King protests. You know, just like a king. Almost every point about this absurd video has been made, but I want to add one more. This is content for losers. If you get off on watching an AI video of Trump literally dumping on liberals, your life is not a rich one filled with friendships and bowling and shared apps. Nobody who gets spinach dipped for the table found this funny. This is for people that order spinach dip to their home to eat alone. And yes, I do that. And in fact, it's because I have the soul of a loser and the lived experience of a loser that I feel I can speak on this. Remember earlier when I told what sounded like a true story about traveling to see my boyfriend's a cappella group in college? I did not have a boyfriend. I had no one. No one from the a cappella group would sleep with me. Please, I'm very successful. Exactly what a fucking loser would say. The point is, I didn't understand until we experienced it just how much the dangers of fascism as a political enterprise mirror the worst qualities of the people who implemented. Domination and insularity and vengeance a kind of guiltless proud selfishness. It is a movement for the insecure for people unable or unwilling to process their private hurts and shames and furies for those whose talents didn't match their ambitions. And I'm not talking about voters. I'm talking about the functionaries and leaders and dedicates. It's a movement of losers. And yes, it calls upon those feelings and qualities in all of us and it spreads because we all have that in us and it can be fed. But while we are governed by losers, we are not a nation of losers. Not yet. Look at how many people turned out at No Kinks. Are some of us annoying and pedantic? Yes. Are some of our signs cringe? No. All of our signs are cringe. But what is cringe in defense of democracy if not someone who cares too much and wants too much for you to know how much they care? The price of liberty is eternal cringe. Sure. There's no equivalent on their side. They just don't have the gas. Their side couldn't hang a single puny Mike Pence. Just look at the issues they've had with ice recruitment. Despite $75 billion in new funding, student loan forgiveness and a $50,000 signing bonus and advertisements blanketing the airwaves. According to the Atlantic, one-third of ice applicants can't pass the physical exam, which consists of 15 push-ups, 32 sit-ups and running one and a half miles in 14 minutes. And sure, in the game, you can run so fast, even while fully equipped, but to tackle someone for speaking Spanish outside of Home Depot, you'll need to use your actual arms and legs. And even though you wore an underarm or t-shirt to your niece's baptism, you haven't done cardio since fucking high school. And you're going to have to chase people who have been doing manual labor outside for 20 years. There's an entire digital manosphere built around selling a conservative idea to masculinity back to conservative men. Meanwhile, any of these guys would lose a foot race to the average urban liberal who got up at 5 a.m. and hauled her ass to Pilates before a pre-work networking coffee. Just as fascism mirrors the flaws in people, democracy calls upon their opposite, collaboration over domination, curiosity over inwardness, grace over revenge, seeing in the stranger a soul just like yours. And we fail at practicing these virtues, even when we're reaching for them, but at our best, we marshal those qualities, which are just as much a part of us. There are far more bloodless and tactical ways to talk about politics right now, but these are ultimately the lines of battle. Losers on one side, underdogs on the other, which brings me to Graham Plattner. Plattner is the progressive oyster farmer and veteran who's running for Senate in Maine in a primary against the sitting governor, Janet Mills, and he's been in a massive controversy over his old Reddit post and a tattoo he got while serving in the Marines. And I think it's fair to say that if you begin the week with an apology for minimizing sexual assault in the military and end the week with an apology for calling the British gay and in between do a shirtless interview to prove you've covered up your Nazi tattoo, it's not a great week for your campaign. In an interview with Tommy on Ponsay of America, Plattner talked about why someone would post that kind of shit on the internet in the first place. I do think explaining the fact that I struggled with alienation, isolation and the effects of PTSD after my military service. And that's why I was on the internet, frankly, getting in fights with people and shitposting. And it took about a year and a half, two years for me to settle back into, frankly, society. And I'm lucky. I'm immensely lucky that I come from a small town, that I move back to a small town, that I'm very connected with my neighbors by community and my family. I got to meet my wife. I mean, like, life got good. There must be a way of pulling men out of a cynical downward spiral that doesn't hinge on them getting wives. And I believe we will find it. But until then, keep up the great work, ladies. In addition to those posts, it also came to light that Plattner had a chest tattoo of a very specific skull and crossbones that was a symbol of the SS. But let ye without Nazi tattoos cast the first stone. It's so tricky. You think you're just getting a normal skull and crossbones, but then you accidentally get one that represents death. Plattner said he had no idea he'd gotten a Nazi tattoo until very recently, saying in a statement, it was not until I started hearing from reporters and DC insiders that I realized that this tattoo resembled a Nazi symbol I absolutely would not have gone through life, having this on my chest if I knew that, and to insinuate that I did, is disgusting. Now, I don't know if it's fair to call the insinuation disgusting. It might be wrong. I hope it's wrong. But if you have a Nazi symbol on your chest for many years, it's a little bit dancing until proven innocent. You know what I'm saying? It's just hard to claim that you did not see this coming. Stop it. By Wednesday, Plattner had gotten the tattoo covered up with a Celtic design, and as is only fair, it does suck. Look, it is totally reasonable to argue that Janet Mills is a better choice to take on Susan Collins. She's proven reliable, less risky. For example, her skull and crossbones tattoo is clearly an homage to Garfield's Halloween adventure. And maybe Plattner's not the right guy, maybe his story doesn't hold up, maybe there's a second worst butt cheek tattoo we can't even conceive of yet. Well, that would make Paul and Grasius say, oof, too much. There's plenty of time to sort out the politics. The primary is in June. Trump will be watching the results roll in from his completed gold ballroom. Or, more likely, a giant pit the ballroom collapsed into because it was not built to code. But what's not fair to me is to reflexively cast someone out or be unwilling to take an honest look at who he is now and how he got there. Doesn't mean every apology is sincere. Doesn't mean you have to accept every sincere apology, but at the very least, we ought to listen. Again, not trying to make excuses. It was me. I did it. And the things that I said that I do, I mean, there are things that I said, there are words that I use that I'm utterly horrified by, and I'm not blaming anybody else. Look at me. Last week, I said the R word on this very show because it was inside of a joke in which it made sense and because Hallie dared me to do it. And now here we are a week later and I'm back to saying R word because I listened and I don't want to get yelled at again. Should Plattener be a senator? I don't know. But if we're trying to build a movement that welcomes people, including people who have gone down dark roads and found their way back, then we actually have to do that. It's not that hard to be consistent. We ought to hold people accountable for their words and actions and have enough grace to give people a chance to change. That depends on what Graham Plattener does and it depends on what we do. Like how we've all forgiven Hallie for using the R word so much around the office. But she's clearly sorry she even covered up that R word tattoo. Yeah, now it's like a cartoon character named Captain Batardo. I don't know that. Is that good enough? This is America. No one is born a loser. Anyone could become a loser and inside of every loser is a winner waiting to buy spinach chip for the fucking table. And speaking of winners coming up next, it's Michael Shannon and Allison Tolman. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. 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No, I just had a talking dog. It wasn't a show. It was just life. Damn. I would like to see you as a kind-hearted and sweet nurse trying to have it all. I'd like to see you prosecute the Nazis at Nuremberg, huh? I'm up for it. I'm going to start with tattoos. Check them all. Yeah, gotta check them all. Very carefully. They gotta check all the tattoos. Gotta check them all. Gotta check your tattoos. Yeah. To be part of our screening process for candidates from this point forward. So, Michael, you're in Nuremberg, which comes out on November 7th. I've watched it, and I was really moved by it. And I'm curious what led you to want to do it. Like, what about Robert Jackson as a person or about the story? Well, I didn't know anything about Robert Jackson. I had never even heard of him. So, when I read the script, I... Yeah, I was a little embarrassed that I didn't know more about how this came to be, how the trials came to be. And it seemed like an important story that I assume a lot of people don't know much about it. And so, I figured it would be worth telling. Yeah. So, Robert Jackson was a Supreme Court justice. He was one of the people that dissented in Korematsu. He was one of the nine votes in Brown v. Board of Education. But in between, he took a leave of absence from the Supreme Court to go do the prosecutions at Nuremberg, which is a sort of fascinating thing for a Supreme Court justice to do. He also served in the Supreme Court, even though he had a heart attack and was sort of lying in the hospital, and he had to leave the hospital to be the ninth vote in Brown v. Board of Education, part of a long tradition in this country of Supreme Court justice, not leaving soon enough. To what could you be referring? And before you played, you've also played General Zod, and you've played Supreme Court justice Robert Jackson. Who did you know about more before? Be honest, please. Well, I only knew about General Zod because I had seen Terrence Stamps' portrayal in the original film series. Yeah, Terrence. So, that's what I knew about that. But I was never a big comic book collector as a kid, so I didn't know that much about him. But if you saw two hours of Terrence doing the role, it seems like you knew more about Zod. True. To return to the question, sorry to... Yeah, no, I mean, you're trying to humiliate me in front of all this. This is a really leading question. Jesus Christ. You played a lawyer who prosecuted the Nazis, isn't that bad? I'm not that bad. You're not under oath, you can lie, Michael. Well, when I was... See, I mean, frankly, one of the things I appreciate about my job is that, like, when I was a kid going to school, I didn't really find history that interesting, but it was partially because of the way it was presented, you know, in a very... In these really dull textbooks. And when you're acting and you get an assignment like this, you dive into these historical situations in a much more four-dimensional way, where you're actually trying to imagine what it was like to be these people and do the things that they did. And so I've actually learned a lot from doing what I do. Alison, do you feel bad at all that St. Denis Medical doesn't do anything to kind of dive into the nature of evil? And the ways in which the machinery of bureaucracy and hatred can be combined to do unspeakable horror, for which there is truly no, you know, just punishment? No. But it's a fun goofy show. Listen, it's a loving, heartwarming show. I do think, I mean, I think that we do get a little into, hey, our healthcare system is not great, which is good. But not a lot about Nazis in the eyes from what I've seen. I'm going to be honest, almost no Nazis in season two. You have to tune in to find out. Russell Crowe plays a Nazi? Yeah. Hey, there's something funny about Russell Crowe I wanted to ask you about. He seems to have an implacable desire in film to play a big fat guy and go, he does that a lot. I love it when he does it. I'm not as familiar with his filmography as you are. I wasn't aware of that. But you confront him. He plays, he plays, is it, he plays Goering or Goeberls, Goering. And you confront him in it. I do. That must have been a lot. I killed him in Man of Steel. Oh my God, of course. Of course. You killed him in Man of Steel. That was a little bit more of an upfront thing. It's really facing back off again. Wow. Yeah, I really got it out for him. I didn't even make that connection. That's so funny. You kill him in Man of Steel, and then you come back and you prosecute him as a Nazi. What are you going to do to get him next? Maybe he could be in space. Allison, would that be something? Yes. I understand my role here. Allison, in season one, episode 11 of St. Dennis, medical workers are pressured to upsell patients on non-critical procedures. Topical Nazis. It's a very funny show, but you are diving into the actual realities of healthcare. And was there ways in which that, like, why did you want to do this? Like, was there anything personal to you about it? Yeah, when I got the script, I had actually just spent, like, the longest stint of my life in the hospital system. My dad had been sick for a few weeks, and I'd gone back to Texas to be there while he was in the hospital. He's better now. Thank you. Way to go, Dave. But, yeah, so I kind of got the script at a time when I just had been spending some time in that space and was really, like, thankful to the professionals who took care of him. And also, when my dad was sick, my mom and I could only watch sitcoms. Like, that's all she could, like, stomach at the end of the day. And I hadn't been looking for a sitcom. I was trying to get back to Fargo since I shot Fargo. I, like, was like, prestige TV is where it's at. And then I got this sitcom script, and I was like, I think this is what I need to be doing right now. I think this is where I want to spend my energy is just, like, making something that feels good at the end of the day for people to, like, let wash over them, because things are rough. But Nazi movies are great, too. Hey, hey. So great. Really great. Michael, don't let that get to you. You do such great work, and I don't want you to leave your thinking that we don't think that. I think you're an amazing actor. Even if your stuff doesn't do what her stuff does. Her stuff does something that your stuff doesn't, but your stuff does something that her stuff doesn't. No, I've done things that wash over people. I will say, I just rewatched Knives Out the other day, and you're very funny in Knives Out. Oh, yeah. See? Yeah. Very funny. You were in Bad Boys, too. Yeah, I was in Kangaroo Jack, too. You want to fucking talk about that? Woo! Now I'm a little scared. That's so cool. Michael Shannon being intense with me, and I love it. So you also directed a film for the first time. I did. And it just came out this year. Can you just talk about that? And why did you want to do that movie? I watched this film. Oh, Eric LaRue. I loved this film. Well, thank you, Allison. Judy was so great in that. She's wonderful. Allison Pill. Allison Pill, a friend of mine. Yes, please talk about your movie. But I did see it. I forgot you directed it. Thanks for watching it. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. Well, it was written by... So I belong to a theater company in Chicago. And, uh, yeah, it's Chicago. Red Orchid Theater. And we have a playwright in our company, Brett Nevew. And we've done a ton of his plays over the years. And this, uh, Eric LaRue started out as a play that we did in 2002. And, uh, it's a play about the parents of a boy who commits a school shooting. And then, you know, 20 years later, Brett hands me, he says, oh, I've written a screenplay of it. And I'm sitting there reading it and thinking, this damn thing is as relevant as it was 20 years ago. That's really unfortunate. So, uh, it's like nothing has changed. So I thought, well, let's get it out there. And, uh, I didn't want to play any one of the parts so much as kind of be a part of creating the whole community. Because I loved all the characters so much. And, uh, yeah, so that's why I decided to direct it. So there's something interesting to me that happens when, like, renowned actors become directors, which is, uh, like, I think acting gets short shrift as, people know it's a magical and amazing talent. But it's not seen as like a hard skill in the same way being a cinematographer is, or being an editor is. And yet it's great actors that have often become a lot of great directors. You see that over and over again. And I'm curious, like, what, like, what you think an actor understands about directing a movie that maybe others wouldn't? Oh, well, that's interesting. Yeah. Um, well, first of all, I don't, I don't know the answer to that question in totality. I mean, I just did my one little movie. I don't even know if I'll make another one. But I think one thing that was very important to me is because the, the, the story we're telling and the subject matter was so kind of scary and dark and difficult. I wanted the actors to feel very safe when they were on set. And I don't think that's something that happens a lot of times when you're at work, that people really take into consideration just how terrified all the actors are. Because most actors are in some state of, if not terror, at least in insane self doubt, like all the time. So, um, like, I, for me, it's a, it's a very, there's a, there's a common misperception of directing. I think it's kind of an authoritarian, you know, dictatorial position where you're just telling people what to do all the time. And for me, I, I, I didn't care if anybody did what I told them to do. I just wanted to help them. Like, are you okay? What do you have a question? Is there anything I can do? Do you want a cup of coffee? What's, I want you to feel okay. Like, cause I know this is really hard. So I guess that was a long way of saying empathy. Like I have a lot of empathy for what they're trying to do, you know. Alison, do you find yours, you're scared all the time? I find that I, I think that good acting is always really vulnerable work. Which I think, yeah, it can be very scary. And I think that can exist in like any medium. You can be like doing good work that's really vulnerable because you're doing a gag where you're like throwing yourself on the ground or you're trying like an improv line that you didn't get, you know, vetted by any writers or you're doing what, you know, Judy Greer did in your film and just like kind of ripping yourself open for the course of, you know, an hour and a half. Yeah, it just seems like a, I always feel like it's a little bit of a pain. I always feel for actors because it does, it's such a hard thing. And then it's totally out of your hands. Once you're done, you have no idea what's going to be used. It's so bizarre. It's so, it is really truly, especially if you come from the theater, which both of us come from the theater where you really are like, it's this little package deal. You, you rehearse and you have it all down and then you do a little performance and you have full control over and knowledge of like what happened that night. And when on film, you just sort of surrender it over and you have no idea how it'll edit, how it'll fall out, how it'll come together and how it'll play. It's very, very strange. It's very different. So Michael, you do like a, it's like a 20 or 25 minutes scene, like 20 pages of dialogue with Russell Crowe, like you do with no cuts. You just did the scene all in one shot. How does that go? Oh, yeah, I mean, it's the final, you know, I have him on the stand. He goes, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we we had scheduled the scene to be shot over three days. And the idea being that it was too long and they do the first part and then the second part and the third part. And Russell and I both agreed that that sounded like a really shitty idea. So we said, can we just do the whole thing? And then, and we wound up saving the production a couple of shooting days, which the director was very grateful for. You know, taste of that, get your beat back. That's real, that's money in their pockets. You don't need anything for that. Yeah, yeah, I don't know why they do that. I mean, I guess there are some people that have never done stage. And so maybe the idea of learning so much dialogue throws them off. But I mean, I've been learning entire plays for a long time. So I can handle even 20 pages of dialogue. And I noticed Russell Crow as Goring doesn't do a lot of singing in the film. Is that a response to the criticism? No, see, this goes to Allison's earlier point. He did do a lot of singing. You just didn't get to see it. It all wound up on the cutting field. And that kind of vulnerability, him putting himself out there. Deeply vulnerable. And then nobody's even gonna see it. We have no control over the end product. He and Rudolph has to the cell block tango cut from the fucking film. Time. Can you imagine the lyrics they wrote for that? Deeply disturbing, they had it coming. That's the lyric of the song I mentioned. Follow the thought to its logical conclusion. Ooh, in your own goddamn heads. I'm so sorry for that, Michael Shannon. It's okay. Vicious. You should put like some barbed wire up here or something. You start throwing beer cans at a honky tonk. They forget their place. Michael, are you having fun on this show? I am. Oh, thank God. Allison, how are you doing? I mean, I'll never do it again. I'll come back if Michael comes back. We're a team. Yeah. Where's the handcuffs? We're only doing this together. I love that. That was beautiful. And I don't want to spoil the end of Nuremberg, but we get them. That's cool, right? Not all of them, right? I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. I guess the thesis of the film, that if we try them here, that'll be that. But, did you take anything away from playing Robert Jackson? Now that once you got to know him, because you were preparing for the role? Take anything away. Like, you know, you learn about this guy to play him. Yeah. Well, I mean, I just think he's a role model. Something I learned is I don't even think he went to law school. No, he was like an apprentice. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's very easy nowadays to feel like there's nothing you can do. Like, oh, geez, there's all this terrible stuff going on, but there's nothing I can do about it. But this was a guy who never did that. He always said, no, there is something I can do, and I'm going to do it. And, you know, he met tremendous resistance to his notion of the trials. Because most everybody in the, all branches of government just said, well, if you catch a Nazi, you just shoot him and kill him, and that's the end of it. And he said, no, that's not the right way to go about it. And yeah, I just really admire him. I got to play two significant American Americans, because I also have this death by lightning thing coming out where I play President James Garfield. Another example of someone who's actually living by the dictum that if you're president or if you're in the Supreme Court of Hawaii, you're a public servant, you're a civil servant. It doesn't mean you have all the power or you're the king. You're actually more of a servant than you would be if you're just some person walking down the street minding their own business. So Allison, you don't prosecute, as we said, any Nazis in the show, but- Not yet, no. But there is a- We haven't read the finale yet though, so it's possible that's coming. It'll be a real left turn, but I'm looking forward to it. But there are needles about. Yes. There's like, it's a real, you know, like you're like, people are pretending to be doctors, left and right, doing chest compressions and so forth. Yeah, we're doing real nurse stuff in there. Wait, we can curse real nurse shit in there. You know? Because that can go wrong on you, can't it? Yeah, we had a blood visual effects go wrong just this season, November 3rd. Tune in to find out why. But yeah, we had a blood gag where I had to get, sort of, was in a trauma room, I had to get sprayed with blood, but it had to be like right here for reasons. You'll find out about on November 3rd. But so they have like a little pump and a thing where there's like fake blood in there and they squeeze it at the right time and like they did it and it didn't go in the right place and then they were like, well, we're gonna move it like this and Allison, you have to like lean at this angle. And I was like, great, and they did it again and it didn't go in the right place. And they were like, okay, we're gonna add a little bit more, we're gonna move it up, we're gonna do it. I was like, okay. And they were like, you gotta stand at this angle. And I was like, got it. And I'm like saying medical terms while I'm doing all these things, you know? And then they did it and it went just right in my face. Like Carrie, like the end of the descent. And we're mid-scene and all of my co-stars are there and we all have this split second where we're like, and then we're all like, I've got cardio, Graham, and five CC, we like just dove right back into it because no one called cut. So I'm just like drip. I'm like, this is absolutely unusable. There's no way, there's no way they can use it. I mean, I look like I'm in a horror film. It's so gory. Michael, you played James Garfield and in a sense he was in a medical mishap because he got shot, but he might have lived had the doctors not jam their fingers in there. I mean, like the humors were out of whack, bring in the leeches, that kind of thing. Well, it's pretty insane to think in the late 1800s, many doctors in America still didn't believe that germs existed. A lot of our cabinet secretaries are believing it less and less. Yeah. I could have saved him, I think. My character could have saved your character. I'm pretty sure. I mean, yeah, it's mind boggling. And it's funny because we shot the whole thing in Budapest, which is where one of the fellows who discovered germs in hygiene was from, Semmelbys. It was Joseph Lister and this guy Semmelbys. Why don't we have Semmelbyserine? That's not fair. Right? Yeah. What the fuck, man? They were pasteurized, and Listerine. Listerine. But that's all European, yeah, over here in America. We're like, no, no germs, no germs. Or just a very clean country, obviously. Michael Shannon, Allison Tolman, thank you so much. Thank you. That was really good. Thank you to Michael Shannon for being here. Everybody go check out New York more. Generally a moving, very timely film. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. Love It or Leave It brought to you by Bombus. 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Hi again. Thanks for being here. Absolutely. Joining us now, our next guest is considered the Michael Shannon of Tran standup comedy. Please welcome to the stage the hilarious Robin Tran. Hi, good to see you. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Yeah, equal status is Michael Shannon, you know. I can't wait to find out what I'm the Michael Shannon of. Equal amount of fame, me and Michael Shannon, right? I think so. Robin, you have a podcast called Tran's Talk. Yes. The description of which reads, Ian Robin Tran thinks that it's absurd when comedians call themselves modern day philosophers unless she's talking about herself. It's true, yeah. I am pretty, I'm arrogant and only in comedy and podcasting. Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. I do it everywhere. Yeah. How's that working out for you? It's okay. But is he happy? Very little about Nuremberg in your work. Well, you haven't seen my stand up yet. Yeah, there used to be, you know, You're special. No, I have no jokes about Nuremberg in my stand up. Not yet. Her new special is completely about Nuremberg trials. She's a weird choice. It feels like watching it is what, all right, no, I'm sorry. Oh no, oh my God, sorry. I'm sorry. You guys wouldn't watch the Nuremberg trials 24-7 if that was on Core TV, come on. John, is it like, I like watch you walk a tightrope every week, you have to like balance between being like edgy and ethical, is that, does that kill you inside? Like they'll hate you if you say the wrong thing, right? Like this audience in particular, you guys, right? Just turn on him. Like you guys, like, because I don't have that, but my audience is insane. So like they'll let me say, that's why I have so few of them, because like my audience is legitimately insane people. Yeah, you self selected to the real freaks for sure. Yeah. That's an interesting question. I don't feel it from the audience. I think we, one of the fun parts of doing this show is thinking about how to like talk about what's happening which is quite serious, but be like unabashed in trying to find the funny in it and direct it at Republicans, which can be easier to be honest, and also at ourselves in the ways in which I think we need to take ourselves down a notch. And the hard part I think is like what's the right level? I think there are a lot of, there are jokes that are unethical that are funny, and there are jokes that are ethical that aren't funny, and there are jokes that I think are defendable, but they're too dark for the moment. And like sometimes I fight for those, and I'll try them, and sometimes we'll keep them, and sometimes we won't. And that to me is the moments where I'm not exactly sure what exactly, like how to strike the balance, because is it that that means we should keep it in, because it means like we should be pushing on this, or is it because people are right to feel like, hey, like you're being a bit insensitive. It's maybe ethical, but insensitive, I guess. Right, yeah, I empathize with this. I used to go through all this stuff, when I used to care about ethics. I mean, like, I mean, if you let it go, I mean, that was a rough couple of years, I'm saying I miss laughing too much, you know? That's why I chose laughter. If I was a straight white guy saying this, you would kill me, but I mean, I look like this, I can say anything I want. Like literally I can say anything, and I will. No, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna say. I'm sorry, but Captain Bertardo was very funny. I left backstage, that's really funny, because I'm glad you didn't say the word. That's what I like, you didn't say the word this time. I don't think like saying the words are funny, just because it's cheap, it's easy, you know? Not because I'm offended, but I say them all in private all the time. I'm saying like in public, they're not fun to say because it's like, okay, now it's awkward, but Captain Bertardo, like you skipped over all the lines. That was really good, I'm impressed by you. Oh, thanks for saying that, I'm loving this so far. Allison, you're an open and empathetic sensitive star of stage and screen. Those are my talking points, that's right. Robin, you do stand-up comedy, the devil's art. Yep. And so together you will offer our audience all the advice they could possibly need in a segment we're calling High Road or Demon Mode. Okay. Wait, so you're making the trans person the devil on this show? Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry, I thought, am I on, this was a liberal, did Levit or leave it or Turning Point USA, John? I should update that reference, right guys? Oh, I'm evil, so I can say anything I want. I've been in character the whole time. For years now. For years, for years and years before I met you. Fair point. As we flagged our audience earlier, we'll be reading your moral quandaries, ethical conundrum, secret request for permission to unleash the beast. And Robin and Allison will give you the advice we all know we should give you and the advice we shouldn't. All right, here's the bucket of quandaries. Okay, I'm ready. First up, I'm finishing an environmental science PhD and want to- Boo! Yay! Poshi! And I want to know if I should just say, fuck the climate and do like consulting. Let's start with the devil. Yeah, no, fuck the climate. And also fuck consulting. What are you doing either of those things for? You should just quit and commit crimes. Yeah, I'm not gonna do that. I'm just gonna say, fuck the climate. That's difficult to argue with. I mean, whatever, you know. I mean, yeah, I guess like if you're an environmentalist in studies and you do consulting, then you're just kind of selling yourself out for profit for big companies, huh? That's probably bad. It's a lot of schoolwork to end up doing that. You could have just skipped right to that. Yeah, listen, this I truly do believe. I think we are at a moment in history where we could really use some altruism. I don't know how long we're gonna be here. You know, like in what iteration will we be here in five years? I think you should just go the altruistic route. That's what I think. Yeah. What are we doing? Now is the time. I'm gonna sing Le Mis now. I really do believe in climate change for real and I think it's gonna wipe out all humans, but also like, what's great about humans? Yeah, but till when? And in the meantime. In the meantime, what are you gonna do about that? Climate change is, that's a rare position. Climate change is real and I'm for it. Can't stop progress, John. Next up, when your dad is divorcing his wife that no one in the family likes or liked at all, how honest should you or can you be? Ooh. Wow. That is tough. Great job, everybody. I find that when someone you love is going through a breakup, you have to wait until like six months after it's final before you even join in on being like, that person's a piece of shit. Because in the beginning they're so tender and they're like one day they're like, I miss them and when they're like, fuck them. And you just have to be like, yeah, yes to that too. Like it's really, I think it's really hard to be like, I never liked them, I've hated them forever. Because they're like little live wires in the beginning. Yeah, and you can get a surprising reaction to that too. Which is, it can be run the gamut, like it can be don't say that. We had a lot of good years together. It can be, how did you not tell me? Why did you let me do this? It can be, you're right. And I was stupid and now I feel even stupider. Yeah, what's the point of it? I think in the early days that you should just be a mirror to the person that you love. And then you gotta give it a good grace period and then you can be like, they fucking sucked. And in the meantime, hopefully you've got siblings you can talk to about it. Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. Robin, what do you think? Are you sure you wanna adhere? Oh, now I'm nervous. No, no, no, I think that, yeah, you should tell him that she sucked and you should also say, and also you sucked for having bad taste and then you should disown your father because having a dad is for pussies. So I don't even know why you're talking to your dad. It's a good time to bring up all past grievances. Like you missed my T-ball game. Yeah, yeah, even good fathers, I'm saying not just bad ones. 100%. You can, what? Break them over the coals, what have they done for us lately? Exactly, right. I love my dad, hi dad. My dad doesn't speak English so I hate you dad. You'll never see this ever. Next up, my mom just moved into our small town and lives five blocks away. Despite a few conversations where we've asked for a text or a call before she pops by, she still shows up unannounced. Do we let this slide? How many times do we let it happen before letting slip the dogs of war? This woman carried you in her womb for nine months or paid a lot of money for surrogacy or did a lot of paperwork for adoption. And you can't let her just drop by to see her grand dogs of war? Shame on you. You will let your mother visit Syrabus. Syrabus, Syrabus, Syrabus, that's a good pull either way. Syrabus is like a computer program. Robin? Well, I think that you should let her come but don't let her know that you put electricity on the doorknob so that when she touches it, she's like... You're a home-alone, you're gonna home-alone her. Like a dog shot caller. Yeah, you're gonna get her like she's the wet bandits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll fucking teach her. That would. That would, yeah, that's right. You have a Pavlovian thing. Yes, right. My jokes have no logic to them. I'm just trying to be evil. I don't know what else you want from me. Next question, do I honk at bad drivers? What are you gonna do with that? Devil, you should say, fuck you. You should write them a strongly worded letter. That's right. You wanna ram them with your car or something? I do, I actually do wanna ram them with my car. Run them off the road. I do struggle with a little bit of road justice. That is such an interesting word, I love it. It's, I don't do anything in extreme, but for example, today I was driving home from the office while driving and watching Nuremberg on my phone. No, it wasn't. Between the two, on two X. But as the author intended, and it was, basically the woman behind me honked me, unearned. And so then we turned right and she turned right together. And I will go a little slower. You know, I'll just chill out just a little bit. It's like, oh, you're in a rush. The world isn't bending to your will. What a shame. And now the person thinks that you're Asian. They're gonna go around, like why is this, oh my God, is John Lovett? Damn it. I didn't know John Lovett was Asian. Yeah, I didn't know I did. I have the same issue with road justice, which is what I'll be calling it from now on. And my thing is that, I mean, I'm in character as an angel. My thing is that I don't feel like other drivers get to tell us how we get to drive. Like I understand if you're like, Hong Kong, the light is green now. But I don't like, if I were at the front of the line, I would have already turned. I'm like, well, you're, I don't know. Yeah, different people. You don't know where I'm at today, my friend. You don't wear anybody's hat. You don't know what I'm seeing in front of me. There's a pedestrian you can't see. I just don't like it. I think it's rude. I think it's rude. Yeah, that's going on. Cause I guess I mean, like what constitutes a bad driver? I think if I honk at people if they're doing illegal things, but I don't honk at them if I'm just like, I wouldn't do that if I were you. Yes, I try to be fair. Like I really try to look like I, road justice comes with road mercy, right? You have, and so, you know, there's an angel and devil on my shoulder every time I'm driving home. You know, I honk my car if I'm seeing a pedestrian and they're like really ugly. I just honk my horn. I just go, what's going on here? And I drive off. Last, that's cool. Last question. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. I think that's cool. My last conundrum, my kid was 100% in the wrong at the playground and another parent yelled at him. So I lost it, right or wrong. Oh, this is hard. The angel would say, I don't know, we all deserve grace. Bleh! So I am a big believer in Godfather style, never, hey, what's the line? Don't show a disagreement in front of, you know, what's it? Never just, never. Anybody? Come on. Are there any guys that I dated in my 20s in the audience? None of you are here? It's like never disagree in front of the, in front of strength. Never go against the family, right? In front of somebody. Oh, hey. And so like I... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Long time no see. I like, I think that like, whatever the situation, you should be able to deal with it and you should be able to talk to your own family member. It's very uncomfortable. Like when spouses don't take each other's sides, you're always like, not a good sign. Even if one is wrong and everybody knows, like the good, you know, the cool move is just like, we're going to talk about this in the car. Yeah. But right now I got your back, but Jesus Christ, you're fucking wrong. Yeah. You know? You gotta be a good team member. You gotta be a good team member. Give you a good team member. Devil? I don't think there's anything like wrong with like losing it on the other person. I think what the problem deep down inside, underneath it is that like, you shouldn't care at all about your kid. So I think like, so that's actually the issue here is... Why did you have children in the first place? Exactly. You should be apathetic about what your kid did and what somebody else did to it. And I'm saying it. I'm saying it. I'm saying it. That's what they deserve to be called. And see, their pronouns are it, it, it. Yes. Catch Robin at the Elysian Theater on Sunday, November 23rd and watch her special, hear me out on YouTube and listen to Tran's talk wherever you get your podcast. And everybody can check out St. Dennis Medical. You should watch this on Peacock right now with the new seasons coming out in like two weeks. November 3rd. November 3rd, it's really funny. It's really great. David Allen Greer, we didn't talk about how great it is. What a, what a, ah. He's a legend. Ah, I love St. He's our elder statesman. Singing into a warm bath with you and David Allen Greer. You know, on the show, watching it. No, that sounded weird. But you were over last night. I was like... Just so enjoyed. I drew the curtains. You two are so great together. I love watching you with David Allen Greer. It's a pleasure. We'll be right back. Hey, don't go anywhere. There's more of Love It or Leave It coming up. It is sponsored by BetterHelp. This month, BetterHelp celebrated mental health day by saying thank you therapists. I like that we were first looking forward to mental health day, then we were celebrating it. Now we're just looking back. What a day it was. What a day mental health day was. BetterHelp therapists have helped over five million people worldwide on their mental health journeys. That's millions of stories, millions of journeys and behind everyone, a therapist who showed up, listened and helped someone take a step forward. 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In the meantime, catch up on the conversations with Terry Dubrow, Olivia Plath, and Parvati Shallow. And of course, go to CrookedCon.com slash events for tickets to upcoming shows right here at Dynasty Typewriter. A lot of plugs. Good. Good plugs. Thank you. All right. Good plugs. Thank you, Bob, for enduring the commerce portion of the show. Good. I love commerce. There are several things I love that people just don't understand and I used to care, but now I don't. And neither should my guests. So we're each going to share a yum that people love to yuck all over. In a segment we're calling, I Don't Care, I Love It. I Don't Care. I love it. All right. Let's spin the wheel. Allison, it is landing on you. What is something you love that people love to hate? Okay, listen, you guys. Banana candy. Okay. Listen! I have the floor. I just stand up and start pacing. Okay. I love banana candy. I know it doesn't taste like bananas, but the thing that it tastes like, I like it. And nothing else tastes like it, but does grape candy taste like grapes? No, that's insane. I recently, we had like a bowl of candy on set the other day, and I found a banana now or later, now and later. Now and later. When did you find it though? This is going to go on forever. I found a banana candy, and I was like, yes, my childhood! And I unwrapped it as best I could. I don't know if you've had one of those in a while, but the paper does not come off. And I had a memory like come back to me fully formed that I would just pop them in my mouth with most of the paper off when I was a kid. And then eat some of the paper. I ate a lot of paper as a kid, so I'm not going to lie. Some oral fixation going on. Anyway, the point is I think banana candy still snaps, and it's great that Noelle likes it, because then I get all of the bananas from the runts, and I get all of the bananas now or later, now and later. Is there any other banana candy I'm forgetting? Laffy taffy! Delicious and easier to unwrap. So yeah, give me all your banana candy. I don't care what you think. I think it's delicious. Thank you! Thank you! When I was very young, like under five years old, I did not like bananas. I am also a stubborn person. I did not try a banana until I was in, I believe, my late 20s. Wow! That's right. And the reason was because I kept on having like Charlie Horst in the middle of the night. You know the thing where you're like, your legs, he's up, and if you don't jump up in time, it's a crazy thing. Like it's like a weird little kind of like 24-style ticking clock that pops up in your brain in the middle of the night. You're like, all of a sudden you feel it happening, and if you don't jump up and walk around really quickly, you're fucked. And everyone's like, have you eaten a banana? And I was like, I haven't eaten a banana since 1988. I know, they say bananas are good for that. And they're like, well, you should probably have a banana. Then I had a banana. They're great. Let's spin it again. Oh, good. Robin. Look at that cute picture of you. Oh, yeah, I know. That was when I was cute. That bow. Yeah, by the way, before I began, when you said the ticking time 24, 24 reference, I actually mentioned the show 24 in my special Hear Me Out on YouTube that you should check out. And also, I do an eight-minute bit about the show Survivor. Have you ever heard of that show, John? Oh, now you know. This is a tender one. This is a tender subject. No, no. You know. Listen. I'm sorry. I had a great experience on Survivor. Brief. Brief experience on Survivor. But in the grand scheme of things, did I really need to succeed at one more thing? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no. What a masterful answer. No, I actually was like, no, I was really mad when you got eliminated. It was really pissed, but I just wanted to plug my special. Oh, thanks for saying that. Well, okay, so I have like three, but I'll just narrow it down to one. I'm a huge Eminem fan. Been an Eminem fan. That is the correct reaction, by the way. Eminem was like the first troll that I knew, you know, and obviously I'm a fan of trolls based of what you've seen tonight. But I think it might be a little bit of an autism thing because Eminem, Weezer, and Wrestling are like the three things that I liked as a kid. And I never stopped liking those three things, even when they got really bad. Like, when I say I like Weezer and Eminem, people try to be nice to go, oh yeah, like Pinkerton and the Marshall Mathers LP. I'm like, no, I listened to New Weezer and New Eminem. Like that's crazy. That's fucking crazy, you know. I don't think that loyalty is inherently autistic, I think. Yeah, but I don't listen to them because they're good. I listen to them because I just want to see what they're up to, you know? Like I listen to Eminem. I'm like, are you still with Kim? How's your mom doing? You know, oh, how old is Hailey now? Who do you want to kill this year? You don't want to kill this year? And Eminem has like, I know way too much about Eminem. He talks about like four things for 20 fucking years now, you know? But I like them because when he first came out, he was making fun of everyone. And remember he was making fun of the gays and the Christians on the same album and watching gay people and Christians who hate each other join up to protest this piece of shit was so fucking funny to me. But then on his next album, the Eminem show, he realized that he had a lot of homophobic fans that he didn't like. So he made a song where he blows up the World Trade Center, he's fucking Dr. Dre instead of a closet. So he's like, fuck those people. And the only thing I think is funnier than gay people being offended is straight people being offended that someone's gay. I think those are my two favorite topics. And then Eminem got really into drugs, you know, and he got really bad. And then he got sober. And now he's obsessed with puns. That's all he does now. He does puns. I don't know him in his pun era. So he has these puns that are terrible. He's like, I'm the butt police. I'm looking at your rear, rear, rear. Like, this is the kind of shit he says now. It's crazy. Okay, but the rear, rear, rear is a siren, right? I mean, it's layered. Yeah. Like a shepherd having sex with a sheep. Fuck what you heard. This is who he is now. What I love about that is... It's like a guy who does stuff, like movies for his kids when he gets older. I just like that there's, like, inside of every boy. Uh-huh. There is an uncle. Yeah. And you can be one of the, like, most famous musicians in the world. You can have albums that freak the squares. You can be edgy and, like, go through, like, a phase where you're, like, considered, like, not safe for the kids. But you'll hit a certain age and then it'll be like, uh, got your nose. That's his next album. Eminem's got his next album, got your nose. But, like, by the way, I don't think he's good anymore. So when people will, people will tell me compelling evidence on why he sucks. And I'll be like, yeah, I know, I know he sucks. They're like, well, here's more evidence. I'm like, I know I agree with the evidence that you're giving me. They're like, why do you still like him? And I'm like, what, don't leave. It's not my choice, you know? And I feel like, I feel like this is the way straight women feel who are attracted to men. It was like, do you think I chose this? Like, I get, like, offended, you know? If I had a choice, I wouldn't be into these people, you know? You just peered into my fucking soul. I know. Let's spin it again. What will happen? Uh, you know, I've, I want to dive into something. I mentioned it briefly and received some flack over it. So I'll just, I want to reiterate it with more detail. Uh, I want to recommend to you something that I do and I call it my secret burgers and, and these are my secret burgers. And I go through the McDonald's drive-thru and I get a McDouble or a double cheeseburger. And this is the part where I think people will not like it. No ketchup, no mustard, dry. Oh, no, that's good. No veggies? No, yes, veggies. Pick, I usually say fine to pickles and onions, but I will sometimes just say nothing. Dry. Meat and cheese. Meat, cheese, bread. Meat, cheese, bread. Meat, cheese, bread. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you. Okay. One, I'm in my car. It's safe. You are free. You are free. Meat, cheese, bun. You are safe and free. You're not trying to do what never works, which is laying a napkin across your lap and that as a second layer of protection, the, the paper, which somehow doesn't work. I don't understand how the physics of it, but if you're driving and eating a burger, like the way ketchup and mustard can move physically, it's like, it's like how like, maybe it's not a conspiracy. How Kennedy died, you know, like things move weird in a car. And it's like, how did ketchup get under into my pockets? And it's like, that's not a second shooter. It just fell weird, you know? So that, so that's one. And then two, do you like burgers or do you like ketchup? Oh, I know that I like burgers. Do you? Do you? I don't know that you do. I think you might like ketchup with some meat. I like burgers, dry burgers. No, I, no, I'm not even, I could completely agree with this. I love dry burgers. That seems insane. I mean, I know I really, I very much agree with it. I mean, we might disagree with like everything politically, but I mean, with the burger, in terms of burgers, I'm like borderline of fascist, but when it comes to burgers, you and me, we're like in sync, dude, like for real. I did a play with a guy. Bob had was having a dry burger at the instruction. Yeah. I did a play with a guy in Chicago who didn't have a car and so I would drive him to rehearsals and he would eat in my car and he would eat a burger from Wendy's and then he would always have in the other hand an open ketchup packet that he called a suck pack. And he would go, and then he would honestly, and I was like, that's fucking weird, but thank you. Cause I just got this thing washed, you know, a suck pack. That's like the, like the Republicans, right? Like a, instead of CPAC, like a super pack. It's like a suck pack. A suck pack. But you're right. It's a political joke, right? I have not, I haven't watched, I haven't watched the news in like 10 years. A dry burger lets the meat speak. And that's our show. Thank you so much to Michael Shown, the great Allison Tolman, Robin Tran. We will see you next week at Dynasty Typewriter. There are 374 days until the midterms. Have a great night and have a great weekend. 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