FROM SUPERBOWL WINNER IN ROOKIE YEAR: TO NFL AGENT || ROY LEWIS || EPISODE 066

I guess my life is like most young people. You play sports when you're young, and you're like your parents want to get you involved. It wasn't until seventh grade that I actually started playing a sport of football. So I learned the game of football. In high school, where I really kind of sat in at, you know what, maybe I have an opportunity at this thing. You know what I mean? As I started playing better and better, and I guess my playing a field would match what is being said. You know what I mean? It's kind of like the perception versus reality. I have to deal with, so it wasn't until my perception of myself and how well I was playing. I was like, you know what, damn, actually I'm really good. And then it went, so then I started to dominate the games in high school. I would say KG, I think what happened was my mentality shifted. And it was like all my decisions started to align with what I needed to do in order to become the only division one football player, but ultimately NFL football player in the grand scheme of things. Even though it was so far away, I was only in high school, but all my decisions, I was just like just firing on all the solutions. You've experienced something that most people, you know, can only dream of the first year in the NFL. You know what the Pittsburgh Steelers, I just, I've always just wondered like the mentality behind and the atmosphere when people are pursuing this prestigious achievement of winning a Super Bowl. What was it like on a day-to-day basis in the training ground where you locked up and stuff like that? So to go into depth, man, to be honest, I had never experienced anything like what I experienced when I was a rookie here in Pittsburgh with the Pittsburgh Steelers. That defense, just a team, just the energy coming from the University of Washington, my senior year, he won a fantastic success from when we lost the last couple of games down. It was just a guy I said, getting to Pittsburgh because time went. He revitalized me instantly. It was like a family from the owners, Mr. Rooney, all the way down to the maintenance, I mean, in fabric, that's what we are. Did the coach say something different when you guys were in the tough time knowing that there was two quarters left to try and like instill a lot of like less nerves, less pressure? Do you remember any of the words the coach said at that point in time? F***ing f***ing. Very curious and also transitioning and finding out about this new chapter in your life from NFL player to NFL or football agent as well. Can you walk us through the transition? What made you decide that? You know, KG, I think everybody wants to still be connected. Deal, I want to still be connected to the game. It was such a big part of my life. It still is a big part of my life. The sun, play football, constantly trying to mentor and advocate for you sports. And so this was my way of directly having an impact back on the game. The co-twinning insights you need today to seize the world tomorrow. If you are curious and interested in learning a bit more about what happens behind the scenes of sports, I have the man in the studio today, NFL champion, literally super bowl champion as well, play for both the Pittsburgh Steelers and the team from Seattle, I'm joking, the CEO. LAUGHTER All right. So yes, the modern day Spencer Strasmo, if you've ever watched ballers, so literally NFL player turned into football agent. So the man, the myth, the very legend in South, we got Roy Lewis in the studio. Are you doing brother? I feel good. Thank you for the hands, man. It makes me feel like I'm on the baller show. Oh, I enjoyed that, you know? I watched it back then and so that's why I was on the phone with the yesterday, I'm like, oh my gosh, like hang on. NFL player turned into like agent. I've seen this thing before. There was a very, very good series. So yes, I want to just touch base about just your experience. I often love people that have played sports at a professional level because it just takes a literal, like, you know, certain level of mentality, physical attribute, but like can you walk us through your journey, please? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I guess my life is like most young people, right? You play sports when you're young, right? You're parents want to get you involved. It wasn't until seventh grade that I actually started playing a sport of football. So I learned the game of football. But part of the football on seventh grade was T-ball, third, when I was three, you know, you sports at the park at St Andrews Park in LA, shout out St Andrews. That's where the ball has come from. And then, oh, became a black belt. Yeah, became a black belt by the time I was 10 years old. So I learned how to dissect the body. My mom put us in there for discipline, but more so just taught me how to really understand spatial awareness and discipline. And so in seventh grade, there's a group of young men in my middle school and they played Pop Warner. And you know, Pop Warner at that time was kind of clicky. It was like, hey man, you played Pop Warner. And so I wanted to play. They said, I couldn't. So I told my mom, I'm signing me up and I take my spots. And I literally played every day as one of those people in my Pop Warner. Watch me play professionally. That's crazy. But the journey between then, when before you went to college and stuff, when you realized, hey, listen, you actually had the talent and you want to take it like at a different level as well. Was that all as like the motive and the reason behind it too? I think in high school, where I really kind of set in at, maybe I have an opportunity at this thing. As I started playing better and better, and I guess my plan on the field would match what was being said. You know what I mean? It's kind of like the perception versus reality type deal. So it wasn't until my perception of myself and how well I was playing. I was like, you know what, damn, actually, I'm really good. And then it went, so then I started to dominate the games in high school. You know what I mean? My teammates were just dominating. I was just a football school at Narbonne and Sarah and so count, so central LA, but that's when I knew I was like, oh yeah, I got a shot at this thing. And I only that scholarship, right? Division one scholarship, I'm trying to get as high as I can as fast as I can to the top. And so I started to mimic and watch gentlemen who were already there. I found like OVHS tapes, and I would just watch players from like Ohio State back in the day, you know, Chris Gamble, Kiwan Rat, Live from Florida, all those guys who watched the actual VHS tape with the tracking button watched their stances and I was like, if I can mimic this, then I got a chance. And so that just kind of took me every step of the way as I got more and more athletic, became easier and easier, you know what I mean? And then when I got to college, I was like, oh yeah, it's time. It's time. And you know, when you know, you know, you have the coaches, you have the mentors. You have, I would say KG, I think what happened was, my mentality shifted. And it was like all my decisions started to align with what I needed to do in order to become not only a division one football player, but ultimately a NFL football player in the grand scheme and things, even though it was so far away, you know, I was only in high school, but all my decisions, I was just like, I'm just firing on all cylinders. All my workouts, I'm going about things with people I'm meeting the guys that have recruited me. So I just worked out timing. Sometimes the universe just don't miss. I love that so much. And whether you believe in a God or not, like I always feel like higher power, the universe, like a higher energy, something just always aligned. You like listen, this thing had to happen in order for me to actually experience this thing as well. Because I'm very religious and I believe obviously like in a God. And I think sometimes when I hear stories like that, when you're like, I just knew, I know what you mean. Like you know, exactly. And I feel like we have a calling sometimes as well. And so sometimes, you know, we end up like, finding out at a later stage, Hey, listen, this is what I'm called to do. This is my purpose and my glory. Actually, I can spy uplifting, like add purpose and value people's lives as well. So I couldn't agree more. I agree, man. At a value, I think is probably the biggest deal. You know, everybody can add value. We all can take something and give something to one another on our daily journey. And so I look forward to that. And so when you start to receive that from multiple streams, like we have multiple streams of income, but you can just be multiple streams of positivity, multiple streams of excellence, multiple streams of whatever it is, you absorb that good energy. It's got truly the limit, man. Love that, love that. I mean, you've experienced something that most people, you know, can only dream of like, in obviously, I think it could have been like your first year in the NFL, you know, with the Pittsburgh Steelers. I just, I've always just wondered like the mentality behind and the atmosphere when people are pursuing this prestigious achievement of winning a Super Bowl. Like what was it like on a day-to-day basis and the training ground, whether you lock on this stuff like that? So to go into depth, man, to be honest, I had never experienced anything like what I experienced my rookie year in Pittsburgh with the Pittsburgh Steelers. That defense, just a team, just a energy coming from the University of Washington, my senior year, we weren't that successful. I remember we lost the last couple games and I was just like, all right, said, getting to Pittsburgh because Tomlin, he revitalized me instantly. It was like a family from the owners, Mr. Rooney, all the way down to the maintenance man in the fabric. That's what he are. And he meant every bit of it. Mr. Rooney knows every single individual who's ever worn a Pittsburgh uniform. That's how important you are to their organization. I didn't know that as a young man, I'm just thinking it's his football. No, they brought me into a culture, they bought me into a family, they forged me into a professional. So they would have us around the likes of all the hall of the famous, the greats, Mel Blunt, Nenjo Green, Lambert, Han, JT Thomas, Frank O'Harris, these gentlemen were at our working at Pittsburgh entry party. Just cool little nuances, little touches that organization does that keeps them here. That's the Pittsburgh Steelers organization, right? They created the Rooney Rule. There's a reason why men and women have called it an opportunity to interview for head coaching positions in an NFL. Prior to the Rooney Rule, it wasn't, that was not an existence. So they are truly an advocate for trying to bolster a community. So getting to Pittsburgh, being around that family, they taught me how to be a family man a professional. It was a worries mentality. Everyone looked out for me. I mean, Troy looked out for me. Ryan Clark, that you see daily on ESPN. I mean, these are all like older brothers. That would just took me underneath my wing and showed me, this is how you survive an NFL. This is how you play ball an NFL. This is what you're doing in a, here's the etiquette. Here's the unknowns, the unwrittens in an NFL. And I'm gonna teach you at a high level from a winning franchise. So you don't have any bad habits, Roy. You're gonna come into the league with a clean slate and learn how to do it the right way. And it was so cool. I was so fortunate. The preparation, the attention, the detail. How about about our business? It was just, it was, it was, it was cool. And I'm sitting there and I'm experiencing it. So I'm like, does that happen to me? I'm just a kid from South Central LA, from six years street, figure role in it. Six years, you know, from 4.53, what's six years street? So it was cool, man. Just being able to, to, to, to share that back with my family. As I'm going through it and then as the season progresses, we keep getting better and better. And we keep winning and winning and winning and next thing, you know, it's in December. And it's in late December and we're still winning. And you start to hear the talks about playoffs. And here I am, I've never had a playoff. And college you either play well enough to get into a bowl game and you play it and you go home or you don't. You go home. And so now the season extend and they talk about the rookie wall, you know, and so how do you push through the rookie wall? It was because of veterans who taught me how to condition my body, how to take care of my body, how to put the right things in my body, how to treat my body right, you know, mind, body and sound, total wellness to help you sustain and survive because this is your first year. You used to play with 10, 12 games, Max. Welcome to the NFL. This is 17. Let's go. 16, 17 right now, whether you ready for it or not. And so they did a great job with just grooming, man. Just the whole year was just one big journey. And it makes sense now because in hindsight, Coach Tom would always say, it's never about the destination kid. It's about the journey. The wall. It's about the journey. It's about the journey. And I vividly remember him saying, quotes like that to us. I vividly remember him speaking to the team before my third preseason game. I think we're playing against the Buffalo Bills in Toronto. And he said, tonight, there's two types of people in life. Those that feel pressure and those that apply it tonight, we're going to figure out which kind of person you are. Wow. And that resonated with me. I'm just like, you know, you get the blood. You go, you know what I mean, KG? This is back in the day. In the first world, the CBI originally came under back in 2008. We still have the four man wedge. So those are true kickoff. You can run down the field. And I mean, you can get blasted. That was football back then. And thank God the rules have changed now, right? For safety purposes to keep health, right? Because health is wealth and all information we find out about CTE. But it was a different time when I came in. You know what I mean? If you're a gunner, if you're a wedge buster, you run down there, you got to bust them, bust the wedge. Make some happen. And if you splash, play Lewis, get in there. You know what I mean? And so it was, it was just a cool experience, man, so to, to ride that wave and then to get to the playoffs. And then you watch it happen. Team start falling off. It's a whole different vibe in the playoffs. Well, you guys have wild car team at the time, or what did you get the playoffs position? Yeah, we had to play off position. We had to play off position. So we had to buy perfect. Great. Then the next week, we play. Oh, yeah. What number were you like in terms of like ranking? You and you at that time, I believe we were the top C because we played the Baltimore Ravens three times and we played the AFC Championship in Pittsburgh. We beat them in Pittsburgh. We went back to pitch to Baltimore to beat them when San Antonio caught the ball on the goal line with his tiptoes facing outward towards the back towards the field. We caught that on another tiptoe catch by San Antonio for the win. And then we played him again in the AFC Championship. And that's when Ryan Clark had that nice killer hit on Willis McGay here, which was, it was just a great play, man. He read his keys. Ryan is such a cerebral player and he made the play. And Brett Kiesel picked the ball up and secured the win. And so that's what counter-polluted us into the Super Bowl. And then after that, it was media week. And that was a whole dealing it up itself, man. Just get it, and sometimes I don't give it enough credit. You know what I mean? Being able to talk to a gentleman like UKG or when people ask me about it, I'll bring it back up. But life moves on and you keep going. You just keep progressing. You keep evolving. You keep elevating. And it's just like, it's good to reminisce and go down that because it shakes so much of me, right? It really has. So I think about that game. I think about the night before the game. I think about the meeting room. I think about the music that we listened to. When we turned off the lights and we closed our eyes and just started vibing to feel calm. And it was just, are you heard that? I can feel it coming in here tonight. Oh, I'm slyly in the room. Just visualize that. You can feel electricity right now. Wow. And I mean, that was the conversation. It's time to go. You know what tomorrow means. We hear now. I was coach Tom and the national. And that is coach Tom. That's why he is the longest winning is as far as having successful season coaches in the NFL. Unbelievable. 18, 17, 18 years of never having a losing season. That's the philosophy. You just win by attrition. Every day you put the work in. You just chip away. OK, we're looking. You don't matter. We just chip. And it's the steal away. You just can keep chip. But the reason why I like what you're saying is that football is one of those unique sports that every single person has to play their role. Of course you do get this. So it's everyone with it. Because you see in soccer, you have 11 people on an opera like football, you have your offensive little conducts. And you have your defenses. And you have to have your kicker. That has to have a good day. Your quarter. So it's like, oh my god, it's one of those things. But you can't really see. I dragged the team. Yes, you can have an exceptional thing. But every single piece of the puzzle or the piece of the, you know, is playing a significant role. So often feel like it's one of the most team sports out there, you know, or team gains that you can play in sports. So that's why I want to, you know, when you say that, remind me, like I said, I never knew the sport. And my dad's favorite movie is, remember the Titans. Oh, yeah. So I spoke about the team atmosphere. You know, left side, strong side, left side, strong side. And it just gives you chills. It goes. It does. You're going to win. Not you rooting for them, you know? So if you like, just remember, like that moment, the suitable day and half time, I don't know what the score was. Well, you guys losing or were you winning at that moment in time? At half time, we went in to half time ahead, because James Harrison caught the interception before half time. I'll have you in six yard. I believe interception on the gold line. Yeah, we're getting ready to blitz. And D-bo, he. 106 yard. As a linebacker, it was the most insane play once in a lifetime player. He catches the ball in and zone from Kurt Warner. Larry Fritz drove, I don't know. The other receiver, Breston was on the backside, but switch release. James Harrison picks the ball right in his bare basket. And he's down the sideline, like the incredible Hulk. No, just all brute strength. And it is like elephants on parade. Everybody's just cleaning up. Larry jumps out of bounds. He comes back in. That's the coolest thing you ever seen. Sometimes they'll replay it on NFL films. It's one of the great plays, but it was cool to witness that plan. I'm like, what is going on? Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yes, yes, it was just everything all in the same manner. So yeah, it was cool. It was cool. It was just the experience alone. Did the coach say something different when you guys win the Utah half time, knowing that there was two quarters left to try and like, and still a lot of like less nerves, less pressure. What do you remember any of the words the coach said at that point in time? No, I don't, but Coach Tomlin is, Coach Tomlin is not a man of many, many words in our regard. Coach Tomlin is a professional. He teaches you how to be, he teaches men how to be men, period, grown men. We handle our job, we do our job. We perform at a high level. Right, wrong or indifferent? I do my job. That's the way it is. So I don't know what the conversation was, but I know we're excited about James James out of breath. And we came back out second half and ultimately been, you know, big Ben. Oh, big Ben. Big Ben, that was, you know, that's his team. You know, he had just came off of a 2005 Super Bowl. Versus the Seattle Seahawks in Detroit at the Motor City Classic. Remember that? So they played the Seahawks three years prior. So now this is Ben second, right? And he's like, oh, yeah, new coach. He won that one on the Bill Cower this time. It's with Tomlin. And so being out a lot to do it, you had Hines where we had a lot of veterans. Casey Hampton. I can't even do a credit. Aaron Smith, Brett Kiesel, Larry Fudg, James Ferrier, Max Starks, Centennial Holmes, Heath Miller, was our kicker Jeff Reed. I love you Jeff. Jeff was awesome. We just had a good, we just had a good group of guys. And as we all know, at least what I came to realize is that the good teams, the winning teams, they're super close outside of football. They take care of it. They look out for one another. And so I was immediately baptized into this brother, to this fraternity. Like, oh, this is the way that the NFL is. Every team is like this. I love that. Every team is like this. In my mind, you know what I mean? And if it's not, then it's my goal to get there and try to create that type of coach. Because this is how it was forged. I come from the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean, it's a good thing because it sets the bar so high, but then you don't know any other better. So you're just assuming that every single team has got that level of standard and that's where everything is as well. 100%. And you would see that, you know, no matter what you went, it was like, it doesn't care. And Pittsburgh, the mentality was, it doesn't matter what happens. We've already decided we've won the game. It's just a matter of us physically going out there to articulate it. But in our mind, we've played the game. We've won the game. It's a matter of what's going on there and doing it. And that was our approach. And it would be funny because the game would be happening in the ball bounce the different another way and somehow our guy would get it. The hardest thing ever, that's why the ball is a blong, I guess. But ball bounce is weird and football. But it becomes cyclic. And like I said, it wasn't not only in Pittsburgh, that was also in Seattle. When I got to Seattle, I got to Seattle only to be surrounded by another group of great individuals. Who's Mazzata? Tion Branch, Dion Grant, Mad House of Back, Julius Jones, Lo for the Tupu. So my entire football career, I've been around nothing but legends. That's amazing. And they've all mentored me. I've always been the youngest guy. So they just take me along. Lawyer Maloy, Marcus Jufon, Jordan Babinau, they would just grab me, pull me along and kind of groom me. Hey man, this is how we go about our business here in NFL. So I've been really, really fortunate to have those relationships because it makes me who I am today. Powerful. And then what's something in life in the NFL that fans don't get to see or fully understand? You know what? It's funny you say that because we talk about this all the time. I think the audience, the fans, they don't really understand it. They're human. We're human. We have the same issues as normal families would have. But sometimes it will scrutinize a little bit more. You know what I mean? The case and point are an example I would like to use is just think about on the holidays of toe families. I say when you get around your family on holidays, you guys get to around family. You get to eat, have a great time. Maybe watch a sporting event. Just what? That gentleman who's performing is not what his family is. You get to benefit from him performing on the holiday. It's not for him. He's performing. That's his job. Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. I mean, just a few years, do your day. These gentlemen, they're performing for their family. But you get to benefit. So when guys get crucified by the media, you know, it hurts. I would say as athletes, we know we're kind of bred to have thicker skin, tougher skin, to kind of not be swayed by the media and just kind of staying our own around. But they're human. I feel we have to deal with the same issues that you have to. You know what I mean? As well. And so I think there will be a little bit more empathy, more consideration, more compassion in that regard. It couldn't hurt. Why not, right? But wouldn't you say then back then, obviously with the transformation of social media, especially over the last 10 years, has been super crazy where everyone's got access. People can hide behind the keyboard and start putting. Whereas back then it wasn't as accessible. You know what I'm saying? It was around the, I mean, my space was just about to get. I'm in my space. I don't know my space. I don't know my space. Oh, my space is something special. Yeah. I don't know my space. I remember that way. You could put the status of the, I think you could put like a song and people could get it. You look at that right, you little code in the background. It was a good time. My space was there. The twins were born then back then. It wasn't just an app. You don't know about the my space, bro. No, no. My space, but you know what you're right. I think the evolution of social media, how we're moving in general and society. Everyone is moving towards this. I mean, of course, it's been opinionated news for years. But people now have a platform to say whatever they want without any checks and balances. So what you get is the wild, wild west. Everybody's just firing shots. Whatever can stick and stick. You know what I was saying? Like we have, you know, a president who likes to say it, all press is good press. It don't matter what it is. So people are saying anything nowadays just to get some attention. Sometimes some of the bad stuff is going to stick to. So is this unfortunate in that capacity that we're there? When it's used in the right manner, social media can be good. Speaking of presidents, I think I saw a picture with you in number 44. Oh, you know it. It's great. Bok. Oh, it's a beautiful way, you know. Yeah, he's monk. Give me some of that. Yeah, I did my family genealogy. I think it's about 200 cousins. It doesn't matter. And then we are family. We are family. I'm your brother too, brother. There we go. Oh, we're all connected. That's what I was at experience. Because I think it was just inaugurated. I think 2009 he took office January 20, 2009. And at that time, I think you went to the White House. So you could have been the first team that he had met after the one Super Bowl if I'm mistaken. We were the first team after he was inaugurated. He got there in November. And then the election of November that year. So January 20, it's January. Yeah. And then you guys won February. We won February. So after the Super Bowl, what a great experience. South Lawn, we did a community service project. I think we made upwards of like 85,000 care packages. Alongside wounded warriors, so many women, former veterans, I'll turn to South Lawn preparing packages for current and active military men. And we just did it like a similar lifestyle. And Obama president Barack Obama walked around and shook every single hand, took every single picture, answered every single question. It was not too cool for school, not too busy, took the time to hang out with us. And we stood at black hair then as well. Oh, yeah. He was smooth like butter, man. I got to say some of the pictures, but he wasn't stressed. He had waves. I mean, he was C-Six. So it was a cool experience. And that was what my second time ever going to the White House. I went back when I was in middle school to lay the wreath at the Arlington National Assembly at the Tumana Unome. So that was a cool experience. And who would have thought, years, years later, I would be back there at secondhand. Or champion. Yeah, right? Secondhand, this is a present. So I've been fortunate in life as I look back over things. The creator's been good. No issues. Love that so much. Now the exciting part that I want to talk about, as much as yes, you've gained and so much experience and life lessons from playing from the NFL, I'm very curious and also transitioning and finding out about this new chapter in your life from NFL player to NFL or football agent as well. Can you walk us through that transition? What made you decide that? You know, KG, I think everybody wants to still be connected. Who doesn't want to still be connected? That for me was the ultimate deal. I wanted to still be connected to the game. It was such a big part of my life. It still is a big part of my life. My son played football, I constantly tried a mentor and I advocate for you sports. So this was my way of directly having an impact back on the game. I can just give the players all the information that I wish. I knew I had when I was playing. But before he was giving to me, you know what I mean? So now I can just literally say, hey, here's what may happen. Let's be proactive. Hey, that's what they can't do. Let's be proactive. Here's your leverage in this position. Hey, let's work this. Or here's your rights. Let's exercise this option. And so for me, becoming an NFL agent was like, I'm finally in a position to give enough for myself and to give back enough knowledge where it can actually benefit the next person. It's time to go forward with this. Someone can use this and someone can be great with this. And they can be even greater, even faster. Because this is not as I've acquired over a long period of time. I'm giving it to my players in a condensed version right now. Hey, let's go do it. And so that's the difference. That's the key is like, wow. Which year was that when you did that when you transitioned? I became an agent two seasons ago. OK. And so it's been great. I just said, you know what? Hey, this is my time. This is what I want to do. And I set out to do it. My personal, I own former agent, excuse me, a gentleman by name of Cameron Foster, my out of Seattle area, and Rain Sports, Foster, former Foster, Kenning, Easley, but he was one of kind of prompted me. Hey, man, I think you'd be good at this profession, you know, a former player. You have a wealth of knowledge, why not impart them a young man? And I kind of took into consideration, pursued my passion as a fireman. That's what I want to do, you know, post college and just be a family man. And then kind of don't know me. Just kept scratching it. Go back. And I went back and hasted with flying colors. And the rest has been great, KG. I've had nothing but pure bliss being able to talk to young men about playing a game of football. And I think it also makes such a massive difference knowing that somebody actually played, because sometimes the transition, or in people who are trying to jump in the field, it's like those mentors that like listen, go buy these amount of early stay, but the guy's bloody while renting a home. Right, right. You know what I say? And so obviously that's an extreme example I made, but somebody that's actually played the game, and it's been in the locker rooms, the witness, the coach understands that, it's wakes it way easier, because like you can relate than you understand the steps, you know, from start to finish as well. So I think it's easier, because you can already a mentor, but you can help somebody try and avoid something that you never got the chance to avoid by being that path to help them get the right trajectory. So I think just getting people that experience that thing makes a big difference, which you agree. Oh, 100%. I think immediately off the top, it's instant credibility. This gentleman has done exactly what I'm doing or trying to do. I should listen to this. And I give that same advice to the kids that I coach, hey, stop taking advice from people who've done none of the things that you want to do. Go find someone who's done what you want to do, pick their brain, they will gladly and gracefully tell you everything. And so my job as an agent is to help my clients and educate them and their parents is whoever they're going to be. But why is it significant? But on potential pitfalls that they may or may not encounter along this journey. And why allow you to step on a landmine when I know it's coming? Hey, you don't want to go there, kid. And so I can help navigate them. I can help say, hey, we want to go this way. Are you might want to do this? You might want to train here. And so it works. And again, having that credibility of being out on the field, it's a brother bond. You know what it is. Anytime you bleed, sweat, cry, go through some stuff with some guys, or in the same kind of arena, it's all love. It rubs off the second you see, like, OK, he's a player. He's not just an agent. I'm not an attorney. I'm not a guy who just went to school to get the books. No, I'm a football player. I walk the walk out, talk the talk. We talk X-Tinos first. Then we talk about business. Because at the end of the day, my job is to keep you on the field. So you got to know your X-Tinos. You got to make sure you're a student of the game. You got to make sure you're professional. Those are the small things. The other things on the back end, I can help you with as well. OK, you need this for compliance. Hey, you got these kind of tests come up, you got to get it. We can talk about that. But my goal is to make sure that you're ready mentally, whereas there's times my agent can talk to me about football at all. He just didn't play football. Exactly. I love Cameron Foster to death. He didn't physically play football. So what can he really offer me besides reactive? Hey, Roy, what happened? Or hey, OK, oh, that happened? OK, we should do this now. But I can offer it, hey, man, this week is big. Hey, man, you don't want to make the same mistake twice, right? That means you don't have that much retention. You can make a new mistake 1,000 miles an hour, but not the same mistake. Coach, you see that it's not having retention, right? And so these are low nuances. Hey, you might want to do this. Hey, no seems no post. Play it like this, all right, when you get in this. So we can have those little intimate talks that only player to player know, that an agent to player relationship, a true agent to player relationship, they wouldn't have it's not existing because there's a divide. There's a disconnect. You didn't actually physically experience what I'm going through. Exactly. You didn't. So you can't empathize truly with me. You don't know how traumatic it is. You can't really truly put yourself in my shoe as a player if you've never really played. Yeah. And players hold on to that value. That is added value, right? And I think that's the conflict and it's occurring with a bunch of these sports analysts that have never touched a ball in their life and then they're out there telling the players that you should do that, you should do that. And when the players end up reacting, they're like, well, it's my job to become a sports analyst. And I think that's where the divide comes in. It's like, listen, it's not the fact that you calling us out is the fact that you don't have never ever stepped foot in the field. And for you to try and just be so have such a massive voice and influence, that's a problem. It's not just the fact that they're saying it's the fact that their voice is valued and validated so much at a higher rate, it's like you've never played the sport. Absolutely. And that's what you see now in society. Unfortunately, we've come to that point where, again, it's become a pain in it. And so the more we can rid that space of the subjectivity, so to speak, man, just go get an expert. I've yet to see a professional woman play professional football. I've yet to see it. I mean, there's no disrespect to the women analysts out there to do a great job. But a woman would be pretty repressed to try to tell the NFL player what to do. The NFL player's going to look at me like, that's cool. Right? What are we talking about here, man? It's not even a question. I'm not even entertaining that, right? So we're at that point now where you're seeing a lot of online gurus, a lot of technicians, a lot of specialists, a lot of people are trying to impart knowledge on things that they may or may not have value or wealth and knowledge behind. But you can sell it. And so I think having that true authenticity, having that court that I can lean back on, hey, man, I'm a players player. I'm an NFL lifetime PA member. Like I'm a players player. I stay connected. I work well within the NFL PA community out here in Phoenix. We have a great chapter. We have men, women alongside me, even in my current, I'm in the fire department as well. So my life is, it's all centered around the brotherhood. I'm the oldest brother of all my, well, six of us, I'm the oldest of six. So I've always been a team player. So for me, it's just from one team to the next. I just keep going, you know what I mean? So it's cool. I enjoy it. I thoroughly do. And I want to know, obviously, one of the best parts of when we spoke about the agents and everything we spoke about, how do you end up balancing, obviously being a fierce negotiator for your clients and also trying to balance that with trying to, you know, being a man to all the brother and figure as well. Well, you know, I think we were in many hands, right? I mean, so not only am I technically the contract advisor or the agent, but I'm also a friend. I'm a confidant. A brother, I may have been a teammate, right? If you're on the same team, they may come to me for guidance, counseling, or sound counsel, you know, maybe on a personal situation. So my job is to almost be like a risk management. I want my players to know, and I want my players' families to know, you know what, they're in good hands. And I'm going to do everything and my power to make sure that they stay in good hands. It's, they're important to me. I want to know about your family. I want to know the things that you guys are into. That's important to me, right? That's the value to me. You're more than just a client, you're my brother. You're doing exactly what I used to do. And I hope that that lineage continues to pass on. I hope I can pass on to Mark, something he can pass on to us on, because then you really truly see the impact you can have by trying to get it done the right way. I love that so much. And in your opinion, then what's one story that you could say perfectly captures the grind of being an agent right now? One story? Because it is a grind. Oh my gosh, it's a grind. She's so... Phone calls, traveling, like just a story, I would say without... Without, yeah, without a used name, yeah. Yeah, you're running to some crazy scenario. You get some crazy requests sometimes, you know? And then some players will just do some silly stuff too. So I think some of the silly stuff is a lot more funnier. You know, you're like, what, you do what? Why? How did you get yourself in a way? What? Show me. See me to picture, bro. Well, you did, that's crazy. So that kind of stuff is the, I think that's what makes me do it. I'm like, Why are you gonna do it with a playful boy? What are you doing? And right now. So because it's a learning curve, right? These young men are learning to assimilate into the reward. They get this is a real job. It's no longer just, you know, football running around. And now within IEL, doing the NIL space, which we can allude to and talk about later, these kids are now coming into the professional race. Some of them are already millionaires. For sure, 100,000 years without a doubt. Kids are walking into the NFL with more than a half a million dollars in their bank accounts right now. And maybe not the financial literacy to manage it. You see what I mean? I get pleasure, you know, heckling them. When they do silly stuff. Just like poking them teasing them. I, that's a rookie mistake. You know what I mean? Cause you have rookie games within any, any ranks. You know me being a rookie agent, you know, there's a learning curve that I got to learn certain things. How we go about certain business when I was a rookie in NFL. It was a certain way we went about things, you know, I mean, when I was a rookie in a fire department, our booter, we went about things in certain ways. So I think in general life is about being a rookie over and over again. You want to put yourself in a something new. You got to be a rookie all over again and learn. And you want to pivot and change and do something else? I become a rookie again. Something I love that, you know, it reminded me of a story when you said those are the things that make your, you know, the job so amazing as well. I don't know how much you follow European soccer. I like European soccer. Do you know Joe is a Marineo? I don't know him, but I love soccer. Yeah, I'm fascinated with it because I can't do it. Ha ha ha. Now he was one of the most profound like managers in Europe. Like he's from Portugal, he's coached Chelsea. He's broken almost all the records as well. And they asked him, what's one of the craziest stories that you've ever experienced? Like the crazy ones that make the best experiences, because just to, you know, summarize a story that was a striker he had, Mario Bellatelli. That's my guy with the goal more from Italy, from Bellatelli. That's the guy. So I like him. So yes, he's saying this is like, I tell you right now, if you hear the story about a telly, you can think it's crazy. So he starts talking, said, listen, Bellatelli's got a very big personality. Yes. But he's very hard working. Yes. So they go to this one team in Italy. And like right now, he's got no other strikers. Bellatelli received a yellow card. You know, obviously in soccer, the rules are there's one yellow card. If you receive another yellow card, you get a red card then you're out. So he said, Bellatelli got a yellow card, and then it's half time. You only get 15 minutes. He spends 14 minutes, not talking to the team, putting Bellatelli aside, listen, Bellatelli. I have no striker. Bellatelli, this player's injured. I need you, Bellatelli. If anything happens, just move your leg. Don't kick him. Don't do anything. All right. Do you understand the assignment? Bellatelli is like, yes, coach. All right. So then he spends one minute, like everyone, we're going to play blah, blah, blah. He goes outside for a minute, Bellatelli red card. That's the whole, that's the whole time. Thank you, Mario. And he said, after them, he's never loved so hard at the thing, because sometimes he will just do what they can do. They're going to do it. So I had to share that with you know, it's funny to me, though, because I can see Bellatelli in his personality, like there's the whole time coach is looking at him. He's like, yes, coach. Yes, coach, yes, coach, he's going over there. And so with the whistle blows, he runs out there and just kicks the dude. He kicks the guy. And the coach is like, really, Bellatelli, I just talked to him 15 minutes. And he loves so hard, because you don't ever see Josie. Sometimes he's very chill, but he's like, at that point, nothing you can do. Yeah, he's mad at it off at all. Yeah, too, man. So that's a good story. I like stories like that, because you see the personality that I do, that's actually funny. I can see him doing it. So I'm happy you named his name, because that was like, the only reason I would play FIFA, because I wanted to put Bellatelli. He's good striker. You know, you just press the bell button. You can just shoot all his rockets, bro. Yeah. Been it like Beckham. Now he's killed my team a few times, because I'm a man you're not. He was man city. So there'd be that six one with the whole Y-me kind of thing. Oh, yeah. That is on my bucket list to go to a Premier League game or to go to a European second. I like Birmingham, I like the Wendowski. You know what I mean? I like some of the older players when I was growing up watching, but I grew up watching, of course, the L.A. Galaxy, just Kobe Jones. I mean, Slotzen was there. Lendon started. Lending down in the Seattle was good. I got a chance to watch him. We got a chance to check those guys out. Eddie Johnson got a chance to watch him. He was younger. And then next year's the World Cup as well. So like, yeah, we'll see what happens. But right now the team USA needs to get a little better, because they've been losing every day in game. Every time I watch them, I'm like, let's watch these guys. Yeah, yeah, they look like that. I was going on, bro. Yeah, I put LeBron in that team with something. Bro, yeah, I'm sure it's a LeBron game, the soccer somewhere. I wasn't afraid of you, dude. Man, we're a little afraid of you. I was a little afraid of you. It's one of us out there. It's a LeBron of soccer out there. There is, yeah, that's what we're doing. He's yet to be found, but he's there. Probably Christian Pulicist, there's one guy that plays in Europe, AC Milan. So yeah, like him. I was very curious. I'm always like fascinated, especially with your role right now being an agent. What are some of the things that you prepare the younger people that are jumping in the NFL, because those are the ones sometimes that lack a lot of mentorship? What are some of the stuff that you can teach them that nobody wants them about? Oh, very good question. Of course, the financial pitfalls. I think that is the first thing that needs to be addressed. Understand, you're getting ready to come into your financial prime kid in your 20s. Most adults don't come to that financial prime in the late 40s, 50s, right? So you're gonna get ready to make more money than your parents and your family has ever accounted for right now instantly. That can be overwhelming. What do you do? How do you go about it? How do you manage it? Do you splurge? Do you save? You still want to enjoy the fluency of labor, but understanding how to have that balance, how to navigate that space, I think that's of grave importance. There wasn't many, I guess I would say programs or resources. They would talk to you back then during that CBA in the 2012 CBA. Now we're in the 2020-2030 CBA, but we've done a better job. The NFL Trust has come in as a liaison between the NFL players, the union and the NFL to basically orchestrate and help players not only transition, but understand what resources they have available. At all times, from a financial standpoint to a emotional standpoint, spiritual standpoint, all the way down to a family health and wellness standpoint. So there's tons and tons of resources. We're at a time now where for NFL players to be doing bad, as people say quote unquote, that's a choice because we have the resources now. We have the trust, we have the player benefits, we have the NFL PA, we have the former players, we have the professional athletes outreach, we have FCA, we have every single thing under the sun that is dedicated to helping men either transition and our transition now are sustained and maintained throughout their entire NFL career. So the days of, we don't have the help, it's long gone, now it's a matter of, we need to start using it. We need to make it more available, more known, we need to blast it more. And I think they do a good job of getting it out there, but there's always just that small portion of the individual that may not know about the information, but yeah. But are they let known like when they join in the thing was that the agents responsibility to let them? It's not the agents responsibility. I mean, I do that just naturally, but the players are now starting to understand and says, well, I'm talking about the resources, the resources reach out. They come physically to the teams, locker rooms, physically to the teams, multipurpose rooms, meeting rooms and have seminars and say, hey, here's what we have available. Here's a resource not available to you and your family, to your wife, to healthy baby program, the prenatal care, any and everything. Here's what we offer. So there's things that I like to offer them as a former player, but we're so resource rich now that there is an excuse anymore why our players should be making bad decisions. We have every resource possible now. And again, there was a human component, we get that. But the NFL is doing a great job as far as taking care of young men, posts and I can say, I'm transitioning in, but again, the financial literacy portion of it is probably the most paramount because that is the kicker. You see the shows what broke with the NFL to 30-go-third back in a day. You know what I mean? I think that is the scary factor. And especially now with the NIO, NIO is just a wild, wild west. There's not much regulation with the NIO. I mean, they're starting to be more, but yeah, they just had a new settlement. Of course, you probably heard about that, but the $2.8 billion settlement with the NCAA versus the House, meaning now all former college players beginning yesterday, July 1, that they could... Today, July 1? Today, yeah. Actually, today, former players from 2016 to 2024, can be paid. They can be back paid for their time and their service. And moving forward, the $22 million, that could be a lot of for each team. They could take a part of, not in addition to whatever collectives that universities have that lay on the outside that want to contribute. So there's a lot of big money to be made. So again, the financial literacy component, it's huge, it's huge. Telekitt is going from Eaton Top Ramen to, hey, he could eat at the top of the building. Now, how do they handle that? Yeah. And Top Tier now, everything, you know. And so that is what I think really weighs on my mind, most of the time when it comes to these players, hey, manage your money. Yeah. Because we've all seen it happen before you can, same way you have a lot, the same way it can be gone. Yeah, it's true. Because you know, when you get a cup of swiping right now, like, I swip so much, I just swip the spirit I just closed my eyes hoping to decline, you know. Some people don't even swipe, like, I use my watch. Yeah, I'm going to take my wallet off. I just tap my watch and just, bro. I named my card Jesus, take the wheel. I'll just go by the spin. Oh, man. So look at that man's statement from Jesus, take the wheel. Jesus, take the wheel. He's active today. Oh, my God. If it declines, you know, just take the wheel over the climbs. You know what you do? You see my man, Jesus got me. Oh, man. That's funny. That's awesome, man. Yeah. Look at the Skittles. Is that a tribute to Martian? Are you a beast mode? No, no. I saw them. I see these by ear, man. And my put the camera on them right there. You can be more put your leg up. Show me your leg. I know you asked Larry, look at that. Let me have got on some Skittles. No, I saw them and I was like, I didn't even hesitate when I ended up like seeing them. Like, I got to get those Skittles socks, you know. Right. No, they just stood out. I want to know, I've always been so curious. And also, one of the things that did live so much about you, I could tell that you all is at a pseudom mentality. Like you always look for mentors when you're playing in football and you were jumping there, you saw on yourself for the whole of famous, just the great people as well. My question was that, was there a mentor in this NFL agent rod that you've had that has done it before? Oh, yeah. It's my agent. My actual former agent, both of my agents. Actually, I just spoke to my first agent yesterday and in my former agent, my one of the reasons. And why is mentorship important? It's just a follow-up after you asked that. Well, yeah, I would name him first. It's Jason Dillard, or JD. And then he's out of Sacramento. I was my very first agent. It's my agent. I took to the Super Bowl with me, him and my dad were in zone, hanging out in Snoopaloup, hanging out, having a good time. And then my other agent, Cameron Foster, those two gentlemen were wealth of knowledge. Cameraman, even more so. This was Cameron. This is Past Draft for Cameron Foster's 35th draft. 35th draft. He's been doing it for a long time. Another gentleman that I have that's a mentor of mine. Steve Weinberg. This was his 40th or 41st draft. He was the first certified NFL PA agent when he started certifying agents, I think, back in 1984, or something like that. So it's good to have gentlemen like that that you can pick the brain. They can give you a little nuances about the business. They can tell you who you need to call, right? If you're a new agent, OK, cool. I like to represent you, KG. All right, we'll call somebody. Well, who do I call? What do I look in a roller dex in the director? Who am I looking for? Is the player personnel? Is it a director? Is the scout? Is it the yadda yadda, right? So having mentors, they can help you kind of skip steps. No, hey, bro, here's just the contact for this guy. You talk to this guy. OK, I got a great relationship with someone. So maybe you should have a kind of, right? No. So they are the mentors that I've always surrounded myself with in life. It's always been gentlemen who've done exactly what I'm trying to do. And it's not that I'm seeking them. It's just somehow somewhere they always seem to fall, right? And to my lap, because the universe don't miss. And I'll just happen to rub shoulders with them. And next, you know, it's a conversation. And cool. I'm in to a whole nother trajectory, whole nother lit kneel opportunities open up. That's about taking advantage of. No, I mean, where do you also identify the talent? Because I've watched all American, and I love the series and stuff. But then I always realize, as always, that some of these underprivileged schools, or like high schools, before they go to college, whatever it may be, where you could get this potential talent that nobody can discover. What are the tools or how do you discover this talent? Well, you know, I think there's talent everywhere. You know what I mean? Nowadays, with the internet, you can have access and accessibility to talent any and everywhere across the globe. Kids are uploading their highlight tapes, their plays. I mean, in rapid time, literally. It happens. It's out on the internet. Sometimes live. And so, you know, I use every two possible social media. You can tap into warm referrals. You know, family members, clients, amen? Buddy, like what you do for me, amen. I think you should. OK, cool, man. But this business is built off of relationship. I'm a bridge builder. My entire life, I've been a bridge builder. I build bridges within 10 to keep the bridge. Because you never know who, behind you, may need to cross that bridge. You never know. You might need to go back across that bridge. Somebody who came before you may want to, hey, remember that bridge? Oh, it's right there. You may transition into another direction. So I'm a bridge builder. And that's all I get doing. So all my mentors are the same way. We build bridges with one another. We build bridges throughout our community. With the goal is to each one reach one, each one teach one. And we lift as we climb. When we come up, we pull the next one up. Hey, young man, that's how I did it. This is how we go about the business. And so that holds dear to me. So I love my mentors. Unfortunately, it's funny. I won't say unfortunately. I had to learn that I was a natural mentor. Sometimes you don't want to accept what you really are. And you know what I mean? I want to do what everybody else do. And because of extra calling again, what we're talking about earlier. You're calling, right? Sometimes I had to realize like, well, I can't just do everything. I got to be a mentor. And people keep coming to me for advice. And I'm like, whoa, why do you keep asking me? I want to, you know what I mean? But once I accepted that and understood that, and grew into that, it just catapulted me. Because it's like, I don't know, my mentors that I speak with, they impart knowledge on me. And by the time I talk to someone who wants to speak to me, it's like their words just flow right through me too. You know what I mean? So each one is reachable. It's a cool dichotomy. It's the craziest thing ever, man. I'm like, right on. So I enjoy being a mentor, a father figure, a teammate, an agent. I can wear any cap you need me to wear. That's exactly what I'm here for. No, that's awesome. What goes on? I know you've done it for two seasons, and you still have so much experience in it. But what goes on in like contract negotiations, you know? Because you're really boring. And so you know, it's boring. It's not as exciting as people think it's not like. But Joe, I was one of those like the manager picks up the thing. Nah, I said I want to give him that amount. No, I give him that amount. And it's like, throw something in the air up. Is it that intense? So it was just like, no, I mean, there can be some heated moments. I would assume, you know, for some contracts and certain players, well, yes, it's business, it's the alley. You know, it's legalese. It's contractual jargon that you're well versed on knowing in the trick and decision to look for. And then you go forth and you say you set together a plan. You understand, you make sure that your client understands what that game plan is, that the team is on board as well. And then the offer is made and vice versa. But there's certain things that, certain times there's things that don't need to be explained. We already know like, OK, this must be included. These are certain incentives that may or may not need to be included based off the player, you know, I mean, the team, the situation. And so, I mean, you learn those things along the way. And who has most of the say is it like the player or is it the agent? Because sometimes I feel like agents have got so much influence that we don't really understand. Or is it both parties that come to an agreement before then? So ultimately, I would say this, ultimately, the player has the leverage. The agent is just a liaison between the player and the team. Have you noticed in recent years, if a player has enough status, he can represent himself. Look, it rich or sherman. I love sharming, it's my dog. Wing, why I'm sharming. Look, boy. Yeah, he represents himself. Why not? He has the wherewithal. He has a knowledge too. He's a Stanford grad. He understands the business. Yes, I can represent myself. Because I'm not going to get myself into anything. And if I do, guess what? I can easily always call an FLP and say, hey, would you mind looking over this contract for me? They will call me to the contract with the fine to call to make sure there's no inconsistencies in the discrepancies, make sure there's no any misrepresentations. And then send it back. And so that's the business side of it. You know what I mean? So I don't think that people really understand business is business, and it will be conducted like business. You don't see big business people arguing and yelling and screaming, you're going to sit down, you're going to pass an envelope across the table. You open it up, you look at it. Whisk person. You know what I mean? Well, sometimes it's how it is. And sometimes it's coming here. It's there. It's fine. The reason I asked that, because I love sports so much. I think I've shared so many different stuff. But I always follow, it's crazy. I do so much at travel. But what brings a lot of more calming down, because as much as I do my podcasting stuff, I research my guess that I do, make it very personal questions. Whenever I finish it, I just sports stuff. I'll listen to a similar thing. And it's like, all the agency should have negotiated that of that. The reason I'm bringing that up, the Dennis Schroder situation, I don't know if you remember what happened between them. What happened with the Hooper? Yeah, with the gold patch. Yeah, same thing from Germany. But what happened in this scenario, I think the Lakers, I'm just paraphrasing you, they had a contract on the table for him. But they were trying to be a little bit more greedy where they said they could get more, they could get more, they could get more, I can't remember what the figure was. Could it have been 60 million or something or like that in like four-year extension? And then it just went off the table. Then I think he ended up settling for the Celtics for like a six million. I remember that for one season. Yes. And so it was blamed at the time on the agent. I think there was a conflict event or like there was a misunderstanding between play and agent, but from someone that was almost guaranteed, it could have been 67 to 8, the current member that was, but it was a four, five-year contract. Yeah. And so that's why I asked that because I've always been curious. I'm like, wow, like if he's blaming the agent agents, like no, it's like there's a bit of disparity or misunderstanding or some conflict there. So I'm like, God, that's what I realized, like agents. Yes, as much as the liaisers, like they still play a big role. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And I think there are some cases where agents will mismanage clients. They will mismanage situations that comes to the territory. There's not a right or wrong answer. It's just if the situation works, we can make it work. If they can't, then both parties have to kind of agree to disagree until a deal gets done. That's why you see so many players hold out, so often during training camp, you see players say, well, I'm not gonna do this. Because it's just some matter of, hey, you're not willing to work with me and get this compromised. We're trying to get, we're trying to be made whole. The whole goal is to be made whole. To get a contract, so guys can walk in and play football. But sometimes the number game, and by number game, I mean, this game will hold up and tie up things, you know what I mean? And so you'll see players almost advocate for themselves. And it's not that the agent can't, but ultimately the player holds away. Because the player's not happy, then the team's not gonna be happy. And if he's an integral part of the team, then that means the fans are not gonna be happy. And that is an honor. If the fans are happy, like during the locker, when fans started to retract their season tickets. Because you guys wanna lock our players out of their locker rooms and we ain't coming to the games. Again, let's go back again to the fact that you've been a player. And you understand the game. I understand the game. So I understand that. You keep the masses happy. Keep the masses happy. As I was telling my players, the fans are here to see you. And I heard to see the agent. And I heard to see me anymore. Now here to see the owner. I heard to see you guys hold. You guys make this ship go. Understand the buying power of the players. You have power. You have leverage. You can make this thing going. Now we're at a point where we're more than 50% of the revenue share. Players are getting compensated well. NIO is great. Benefits are great. We've reduced so many, I would say, structural limitations as far as getting guys facet. And what the benefits that they do accrue. So yeah, we're moving in the right direction. Pretty soon it should be the NFL, Lord Willen is, we wanna get to how the NBA and MLB fully guaranteed. You know what I mean? You're protected. That's the goal is to have guys protected. We want guys protected all the time. Not just some of the time. We want him. He signs the deadline. He's protected him and his family's protected. Right now, not backloaded. And I hope that he may get to the year five so he can give him the big lump sum. Take care of him now. You know what I mean? Cause you see baseball players, they play for a long time. Happy or do they know they're just doing anything. Cause the money's good. Football players, we're scrapping sometimes. Sometimes it's a dog fight. You know what I mean? It's a dog fight. Within amongst teams just to be able to fit all the good players on a roster. And to find out you did accommodate them properly. It's like, man, Superstar here, Superstar here. I can't pay all of them. I don't want to let someone so go, but I have to because I got to pay KG. I have to pay. He's my guy. He's my guy too, but so it becomes that, you know what I mean? So and then sometimes you'll get players who will take that sacrifice as well. Right? That's that's on the player. Hey man, you know what? I'm willing to sacrifice a little bit of money to win. I'm willing to sacrifice. Look, I'm willing. I don't need to accolade. I want to win. The winning is why we played the game. There's not one player who ever say, I'm just playing for the money. Okay, you want me to play for them? You want me to be playing for them? Because it'll seep through. It'll be like blood in the water. It'll be like, man, you don't care. You don't care about it. And he's just out here. You don't like that. I don't know how else to say it. We don't like that. But we don't get down. You know what I mean? We were here for the game, for the love of the game. Most players will play the game for free. Because people just love it, you know. Same way you'll play soccer. Play football on the pitch. Thank you for saying football. I guess mates. I guess some blocs. Now we'll go to England. I was talking to my father. We're going to try and go get a catcher game premium league one of these times. I want to go. Let's do it. Let's do it. I want to say some arm, forever blow and bubbles. I want to start sending you reels. Yeah, send me some hands. We can prepare. They're hooligans out there. You know, but they love it so much. Ocho, sinko love soccer. Yeah, no. Ocho is a religion down there. You know, it's soccer, gotcha. Yeah, it's a cool thing. No, sports just unifies people, you know. When I'm depressed, I watch sports. That's my therapy right there. But sometimes they bloody lose. I'm like, Luca shoot the damn ball. Come on, Luca. Shoot the jail. No, I agree. It's an outlet. It's therapeutic. You know, it, for me, it's just always been like my sanctuary, man. I'm like, well, I keep, I keep cleat some of my car. My friends know, I don't want to give it up. I keep cleat some of my car. I keep two pairs too. Just get somebody to throw the froggy. It's doing a race and getting down on foot. Yeah, it's just a part of me. It's a part of my fabric, man. I love that. I enjoy it. I really do. I enjoy talking about it. I enjoy what it's giving me. The lifestyle is giving me. I enjoy what it's allowing me to see. The people, it's allowing me to touch. I've used football as a vehicle to literally put my feet on different continents that I only read about when I was in elementary, middle school, high school, and college. Oh, so our list asks this question. It's my concluding question because he's like, we're going to start the question. We're starting on where I was going. Let's go. We can talk all day about this. I can come back and chill out and maybe bring some people to me. And I appreciate that. Thank you so much. I'm a nice little honey horse. I like it. Because of the podcast, I've always loved the term winning. And I think every time I've interviewed people, the orders have a different perspective to what the actual term means for Roy Lewis. What does the term winning mean for you? Hound. To hound your adversary. That means anything. You can be a life partner. You can be a stress partner. You can be a petter. Hound your adversary. Your opponent. Unmercifully. Until they know and understand that you're physically, mentally, emotionally, stronger. You just hound. You just kept poking. You keep poking. It says, undying will to be successful. That's what winning is. It's habitual. It's what you think is how you act. It's how you carry yourself. It's everything. It's winning. That's it. It's not that I even hate losing. I just love winning because winners love to win. Winning is a way of life. You install that. You download that code and then you polish it by success. Every little success you get, you polish it. You polish it. You just shine it up. You shine it up. And you look at it like nice. And then after you know, you protect it. You protect that energy. You protect that mindset. Give it away. The ones that you need, you sprinkle it on them so that they can come in, but you protect it because that is your fire. That's my aura. Winning. Everything I touch on win. Period. But my way it is. I don't even have to know about it. But my mindset is so open to winning that I'm willing to learn whatever it is. I have to learn in order to be successful at it. That's winning. You know, winners do what losers refuse to. That's being open to learning a new skill, reading a new book, hearing from a new art, whatever it is, you're open. The moment you cut yourself off from learning, start doing. Learning is winning. The more you learn, the more you earn, the more you win. I'm winning that life. It don't matter how small how my new, how micro it is, how macro it is. If it's something new that you learn, that's winning. You won today. I thought you'd stack in the wins. I said, if I could, I'd just drop the mic down and just hit the podcast right there. That was absolute poetic. You had the modern day Shakespeare as well. For my teacher being very impressed. Yes, you heard that, Mrs. Barnstein. She said, I was going to be a Renaissance man back in eighth grade. I didn't know what that meant. Yes. I know what it means now. But no, seriously, man, it's just like what you're doing. The cold to win. This is winning. I don't think you understand. This is winning. This is powerful. You've got to value to want to be able to delve deep into other people's career passions and say, hey, man, teach me about what you do. Here's what I like to do. I like to figure out what you like to do. Cool. And it serves the purpose because every time you interview someone, tap more nuggets until you don't over. Your coach winning is, you got a role to that. Okay. And if you're a player, so for sure. I think, you got all this. I'm going to get you my fault of the memory. You can just, and you can tap into that winning. So when you come across somebody who may need a little bit of that information in your part, just sprinkle a little bit on the winning on them. There you go. Let me take you with this jewel, bro. That I learned from this. Bingo. That's the cold to winning. I love that. I love the cold. Roy, if you could let our viewers know over there, it's the way they could get a hold of you, maybe follow you and just call me on my phone my number's. 305-9. What's the news on that drake guy? I don't know. I don't know. I just swim running yesterday. No kids. Pop up with a no key if I think that's what it's no key. Oh, it is no key. Yeah, it was. Yeah. I don't know the word girl. I like it. For the whole world. But I know I'm just normal social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, even though I'm not really that active. I will use my Instagram, but I'm really old school. But I am going to tap back into my platforms, I just so you know, me and my IG get it going. The cold to winning. Perfect. KG is going to teach me how to rock it right. Let's go. The cold to winning insights you need today to see the world tomorrow. Your man, my man, your guy, Roy Lewis. Thank you very much, boss. Appreciate your brother. One love, my friend.