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Nothing surprises me anymore. What we going to do about it?

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Well, we're going to share a little preview of it right now for them to sit back and enjoy. Well, hey, welcome. This is, this is take two and just an unfinished business thing from take one.

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Yes.

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We got that email from Steve Howe, the best bagpipe player. Yes. Who was pledging £50 to a charity of your choosing to review Melania. And obviously you'd have done it anyway, you didn't go because you were offered money to charity. But he does say a charity of Mark's choosing.

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Save the Children.

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Okay, yeah, absolutely.

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Particularly since there is so much guff from Melanie about, you know, her concern for saving. Yeah, Save the Children, a charity that's actually saving children.

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That was one of those amazing truth social posts, wasn't it, from Trump that he called his wife Melanie. Yeah, he wrote it actually said my amazing wife Melanie. Yeah, yeah, because he, in capital letters.

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I mean I, I, I say say this honestly, I, I really did feel genuinely morally compromised watching that film. Having paid to watch the film for one. It is such a disgraceful cover up. I literally spent the whole thing thinking I want it to end. And I wasn't just being fatuous when I said I found a Serbian movie an easier watch and Cannibal Holocaust an easier watch than watching that thing.

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I mean I didn't mention this, but if you have seen it for whatever reason, let us know. Correspondence at Kimberly.

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But also if you're maga, Trump supporter or whatever, if you're somebody who's going to write, why don't you just review the movie instead of the politics?

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That's not possible. I mean that is possible sometimes, but.

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It'S not possible in this case because the film exists because of the politics, that's why it exists. So please don't even waste your time.

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Boring me with it into the slightly more uplifting world of the Bone Temple overflow car park. Yes, yes. Matt Gates in Colchester. Mark and Simon, long term listener, second or third time emailer with the news that some cinema goers in America are dressing up as the Jimmies to watch Bone Temple. Do you think that using Savile as a cultural reference point in the film was a mistake? As a 50 something? I grew up watching Savile on television, even met him once and like everyone else was shocked by the revelations of his years of abuse. I was quite happy for him to remain in the past and be forgotten. But now we have a film dredging him up again, albeit for what they think is the right reason. I had read that as well, Matt, that some people.

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I don't know about this. So tell me about this.

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Some people in America are going to watch Bone Temple dressed in the kind of shiny tracksuit which.

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Because they don't know.

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Because they don'. We don't know anything about Jimmy Savile or why Jack o' Connell is wearing those tracksuits in the first place. So we got people essentially dressed up as Jimmy Savile going to see the movie in America. And I have to say, I mean, we've discussed this a lot. I do feel uncomfortable about. I think the movies could have existed without it. I think they could have picked on some other reference point which would have delivered the same amount of punch. But anyway, that's a, you know, okay, opinion.

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Can I stick my top? Yes, yes, yes. I think, firstly, the way in which it plays in America, and particularly with America as it is at the moment. I don't think you can hold the filmmakers responsible for that. I do think that America at the moment is in a state of such cultural vacuity that. That's the first thing. Second thing is, when Clockwork Orange was out, there was a lot of talk about people dressing up as Droogs. Okay. Because the. The design of the. Of the Droog's outfits was kind of weird, cool. And because David Bowie, when he was doing Ziggy Stardust and all that period, was very, very influenced by the look of. Of. Of. Of Clockwork Orange, of. Of. Of Alex and the Droogs in Clockwork Orange. And there was a lot of, you know, is this glamorizing? Is it giving people a. I. I'm. I'm always very suspicious of those kind of conclusions because it's a very easy thing to leap to, I would say. We talked about in Joker, there is a moment when Joaquin Phoenix's central character. Is it Arthur Fleck? Is that his. Yeah, he's at the top of. The top of those steps and he starts strutting to Gary Glitter. Now, in the uk, that Gary Glitter. You know, in America, it isn't apparently, in America, Gary Glitter. That Rock and Roll, Part one or Part two, whatever it's called, that is a piece of music that gets played at sports matches. And we talked about this, that it doesn't culturally mean the same thing there that it does here. And then there was a discussion about whether or not Gary Glitter was gonna get any royalties from It. And I think the answer was no, he doesn't anymore. The reason I say that is because cultural things mean different things in different cultural zones. And I don't think. I don't have a problem with the Jimmy's thing in terms of the way in which it plays to a UK audience. And I think the way American audiences are responding to it. I'm. I'm kind of almost beyond attempting to rationalize anything that happens in that country at the moment.

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I mean, I love to. I said that in the context.

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No, of course.

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Loving 28 years. And I love Bone Temple, which I thought was. I thought was fantastic. It's just one of those moments where you go, I'm just. I'm just not sure. I remember, as I might have mentioned to you before, the reason why we never played the KLF version of Doctor in the tardis. Remember that? Yeah, because it was the. To the tune of rock and roll. And that the money was going to go to Glitter. And so therefore. Okay, no, we don't want to play that.

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Right.

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So. So we just. So it's just not.

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But I think. I think he. No, I think we discovered that he no longer does get the royalties and that. That's. That that catalog was sold. There was definitely some discussion about it. Somebody might write in and correct me on it. But, yeah, I mean, if you are somebody who's going to see that film wearing a Jimmy Savile tracksuit, you should know better. Unless you're in America, in which case I don't know what's happening in your country.

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Helen, In Leeds, I felt the need to respond to the recent question about whether Bone Temple is actually scary and not just horrific.

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Oh, right.

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I can say that for me, yes, it was very definitely scary from the start. I was very worried for Spike in the beginning of the film when he is first seen with the jimmies in the disused swimming pool. And I was dreading that they might. What they might do to him. Much more scary than the visceral horror. My fear for Spike's vulnerability was huge, and it really brought out my protective instinct. This from.

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Can I just say something about Spike?

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Yes.

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Spike, played by Alfie Williams. Alfie Williams won an award at the London Film Critics Circle. And I met him and he was lovely.

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Excellent. That's very good news.

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Yeah. And he said to say hello, so I'm doing that.

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Shintaro Kanaoya says, dear Duran and Duran, a listener recently wrote in to say how they had had to walk out of Bone Temple after an hour after the Charity scene. We should say, if you haven't seen it, that Jack o' Connell's character uses charity as a kind of a code for we're about to do some very nasty things to you. They mention how the violence had crossed into gore porn and that the scene could have been taken out without changing the story. I, says Shantoro, could not disagree more. For starters, the charity scene reveals so much how sadistic and cowardly Jimmy Crystal is. He commits almost no acts of violence himself throughout the whole film. How the gang terrorize the innocent, how crystals hold over the other. Jimmy is strong but not solid. And how Spike desperately needs to get away. It's a vital scene which in a movie about the nature of evil, sits as its degraded, malevolent heart. But the point about the scene being go poured is simply inaccurate. As a scene about a twisted cult leader getting off on his followers flaying innocent people to death, it is depicted as responsibly as it could be. Something that cannot be said of Saw and Hostile, which are genuinely pornographic in their sensibilities in terms of what Near Costa actually shows on screen. We see a stabbing and the beginning of a flaying. We then see the glee of the participants, the terror of the victims and the horror of Spike. I was looking away at this point. Finally we see the aftermath, but never in leering detail. The terror and stomach churning awfulness we feel is created through sound and reactions and is so effective that we misremember what we actually saw. Yes, similar to Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It could be a challenge to go back to the scene, to cut out the on screen violence while maintaining the power of the scene. Anyway, that evening my wife Danielle and I watched Sinners. I tell you, that Jack o', Connell, he's a proper runner. Keep up the good work. Down with the new Nazis. Same as the old Nazis. Thank you, Shintaro. I mean, that's certainly true. I mean, I did say to Jack o', Connell, he's had a year of burning down barns and being thoroughly, thoroughly bad.

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Yeah.

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Dave says a core theme to the film is humanity. The humanity of Dr. Ian, the inhumanity of Jimmy Crystal. And there needed to be absolutely no question over the nature of evil of Crystal's character. Hence the violence and the emerging rehumanizing. I think I made that word up. Of Samson. Jimmy Crystal has to be both fearsome and charismatic. For the children to follow him. And the audience needed to experience just how terrible his behavior was to understand the power he had. Ian, which is the Red Fiennes character, in contrast, had to demonstrate that no matter how emotionally and physically battered he was, he still had faith in humanity. Samson, I think, will be central to the redemption in the next film. Yes, A conclusion. I think a lot of people will come to a film that tells us to be wary of deluded lies, using fear and fairy tales to control minds and encourage inhumane acts. And buy up Greenland. That's from Dave. Thank you, Dave.

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Wow. We're very good, aren't we?

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Blimey, Charlie.

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