Is Donald Trump Really a Fascist?

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the find out podcast are pre Christmas special, except we don't have any things. I was going to say special. I was special. Special that maybe it will not be as long today, possibly we will see. But anyways, we're going to just for a holiday announcement, we're going to do one episode this week and then obviously Christmas is Thursday. So sorry, we are not going to do an episode for you on that day. And then next week is that weird middle week where nobody really thinks that like reality is real and people don't know where they are. We're going to do one episode next week too. So we're going to dial it down a little bit and then we're going to come out of the gate in January with a lot of fun stuff. So anyways, the biggest news of today is this report that broke last night that CBS News through 60 minutes had a special ready about some Venezuelans who were deported by the Trump administration to that El Salvadorian prison. Seacot. Seacot, the terrible one where Kristi Noem wore her like $50,000 watch and took a photo in front of a bunch of people in a cage. But you know, that's what you do when you go to work. That's normal person behavior. Yeah. I mean, it is the lowest behavior that we're used to. But Barry Weiss, who is the new head of CBS News, who is from the pre-press, which she founded, which is a right wing media outlet. And now she's in charge of CBS News killed the story because she said it was quote unquote or no, that there were quote unquote problems with it. Now, the problem with that is that the reporter who worked on this story sent a memo internally, which has been leaked because of course, and said that is not true. The fact that it had been through the process to make sure everything was good like five times the lawyers had seen it and said it was fine. The sources checked out. And for those who don't know, killing a story on 60 minutes with three hours before air is essentially unprecedented. So this is a big story. And of course, everybody is thinking is CBS News now just a right wing hellscape? I know my answer is answer. Yes. Yeah, it's bad. But like that's a I mean, you think about it, you go back in time. It's one of like the three channels you could have in America. And now it's getting corrupted by fucking the Trump administration. It's great. Excited. Yeah. I mean, we grew up watching Dan Rather at 6 30 every night. And you know, you didn't really question. 60 minutes was like the one news thing I liked as a kid. Like, yeah, me too. Routinely good. Yeah. Yeah. See what Barry Weiss Barry Weiss is not a journalist. So let's let's start there. She was a well paid New York Times opinion writer and her column was just contremorianism. So her and for people who never heard of Barry Weiss, she is a lesbian who is really, really anti trans. So she has she has established this character that is everything that everyone says, you know, needs to have holes poked in it. She likes to argue and she thinks that contremorianism and intelligence are the same thing. She just thinks that if you're arguing, it means that there's a legitimate debate to be had. So the free press is a wildly successful, I think the most successful sub stack, which was which was sold to CBS as part of a deal. So these right wing billionaires could get this contrarian to run one of the major networks. She is not and never has been a journalist, even though she is a substacker. Having substacked doesn't make you a journalist. So her excuse for killing the story was that the administration did not comment and they didn't have someone from the administration sit for an interview. She is too much of a novice to realize that no comment is is right. That's a comment that that is that is the comment. You a journalist with a student journalist knows that if someone says no comment, that goes in the story. That is their response. So if 60 minutes did a piece on a, you know, what is essentially kind of like a black sight slash torture chamber center or whatever that they sent people to. Yeah, that is that's your answer. Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that in the background, she alerted the Trump administration about this and they said, fucking pull it. I mean, it's got to be what happened, right? Bingo. It can't be. It is. I don't I don't know that she would go so far as to check with them. I think she would just see it and kill it. I don't know. That's possible, too. I don't know her background well enough, but she sounds like a piece of shit. Check out. Well, I mean, look, she's up. She's a partisan hack. I mean, that's very, very obvious. And look, like I was in the Obama administration for five years at the chair department and there were plenty of stories that were written about us that we didn't like. And it like to be very clear, saying no comment does not kill the story. It just means that you are not participating in the story. But the journalists have no there's nothing that's like, well, they said no comments, like, yes, we can't run the story. If that were case, there would never be a story on anything. I don't even think they said no comment. They couldn't they couldn't be reached, right? And well, that's in itself. There's like, first of all, yeah, but there's so many stories where it's like so and so could not be reached for comment at this time. Literally every fucking new story you read these days about a celebrity is that. Yeah, that's true. I mean, the thing that I always wonder about in this sort of situation, like CBS is a huge institution and they see the writing on the wall that like Trump is extraordinarily unpopular and going down this hole seems like a really fucking stupid business decision in my mind. Like I bet it's happening all over the place. Obviously it's happening in tech. But like I wonder how much thought from places like CBS and all these other major organizations that are making these more pro-Trump decisions. How much thoughts going into like three, four years from now when everybody looks back and goes, why the fuck did you do that? Is that? It's the same thing as the gamble that that Elon Musk took when he bought Twitter. He bought and destroyed Twitter not to make a profit, but to destroy channel of communication for truth and journalism. Twitter is still in its current form, even as much of a cesspool and as shitty as the service has gotten, it is still the place where Democrat politicians go first to make a statement. It is still the place where journalists publish their stories or at least links to their stories, even though there's no outlink. So it's basically fucking pointless. They know Larry Ellison, who now owns and controls CBS, Paramount and big talks, you know, making additional acquisitions like TikTok, trying to get Netflix. Their goal is to make it so that the people, like everyone who's not a right wing billionaire is completely fucking powerless. They are squelching voices. They are squelching truth. They are destroying journalism. That is the goal. And it's a good investment as far as they're concerned, because they'll do it to NBC Next and they'll do it to any other of the network channels that are still left. So how do you? Goody. What happened? Like, I mean, I really, I truly want to know what reasonably could happen next when you fast forward through the end of this administration, say, you survive it. And everybody's pissed off. Everybody hates the right. Everybody hates Trump because of all the shit that he fucked up. How do they account for that? Because at a certain point, if the public consensus is really negative, I don't know how they have a successful business model left. Because the right wing media makes more money than traditional media. Yeah. So Fox News didn't lose market share. You know, like Netflix is a great term, like you said, they're going to acquire Netflix to get they start only green lighting shows that are more, you know, friendly to the right. Like that's a bad business model there. I could see it in news. Like that's an easier explanation. But like if you're starting to go into culture and entertainment and trying to take over paramount, all these other things, it's like, this won't work if most people don't want to watch the fucking show, you know. Well, I think what they would say, and I think I got that wrong. I don't think I think Netflix is trying to acquire Warner Brothers that Paramount is trying to get Netflix. I screwed that up. But what I would say, like they the reason that the Trump administration has acted the way they have in the last year is because they think that they have won the last election, like that that is it. And now they are moving to shut down all of these voices of dissent. And we know better than anybody that culture is one of the best ways to actually affect someone's, you know, belief system. Sure. And so, you know, all of a sudden, if you, you know, you buy, you know, these TV outlets that like all of a sudden, you know, maybe that feelings about anti-trans start like seeping into content or discrimination or anything or villainizing liberals. And so losing all of those channels would be would be devastating for the left. And I would argue that, you know, CBS News, like in Barry Weiss's mind is probably like, well, there's quote unquote three major quote unquote liberal news outlets. We are going to be the right wing one. And there are enough people that even when Donald Trump and the Republicans lose in twenty six and twenty eight, there is still going to be plenty of money in that world. Like, I mean, we've talked about what happens next with MAGA. Well, if they are starting to purchase, you know, mass media and starting to change the conversations that happen in mass media, we could be in a lot of trouble. Like we could have a short term win, but long term already in trouble. Look at fucking turning point. They have chapters in high schools. Yeah, Texas. Telling them that their high school problems are caused by immigrants and woke politics. There's already a problem. There is a problem. There's no question about it. I still like the part of me that wants to have, you know, a bunch of foresight into this is going, this is a really bad bet they're going to make because all of it is based on falsehoods, right? Like it's easy to win a lecture. I think what the right gets wrong about the shit is it's very easy to win elections based on falsehoods. It's very hard to continue to control people with falsehoods unless you have an institution that embalm empowers it. Like you see that in Soviet culture and all that. It's easy to maintain that. It's very hard to shift from a democracy to something more like that. I think the Trump administration and people who support it are very much in the mindset of, well, look, he's won twice. Obviously he can convince people and this is a convincing argument. So therefore we can take this further. And I think temporarily maybe, but I think at long term, I don't see how it plays. I think it gets a very big, pendulous swing back the other direction and a lot of people are going to get fucked. I don't think that you should think about this in terms of Democrat versus Republican. I think you should think about this as Democrat, the Democratic Party versus fascism because that's the historical like parallel that we're facing here. We're not facing like a Jimmy Carter Reagan thing. We're facing a Weimar Republic becomes Nazi Germany thing. And for people who think that I'm being hyperbolic, remember that if I told you a year ago that we'd be filling planes full of people, including legal immigrants and sending them to a torture camp, I don't think you'd believe me. You'd think I'd be hyperbolic. If I told you a year ago that we'd be building concentration camps in swamps, where the point is to basically torture immigrants and strip them of all their rights, you'd probably say, no, you're being hyperbolic. But this is the world we live in now. So we're not having a pendulum swing. We're having all of these right wing billionaires who have a disproportionate amount of power and influence on everything, culture, news, how we get our electricity to our house, food supply, like they control all of these levers that make voting all the more important, but also not the only thing that matters. No, I agree with that. I'm not casting it in that like old Republican mindset at all. It's really like, I don't think he would have been hyperbolic to say those things either back a year ago. No, I called those ones. Yeah, I think the challenge I have, because I do tend to be one of those people that looks at that sort of statement and go like, well, what are the levels of it? I think the Trump administration has done what they always do, which is they find that line and they operate just up against it and they keep trying to nudge it further. But I've always been at the mindset like there's a certain point where that line can't go further. And I think that that is strictly because of the fact that so many people in this country are just anti where this ends up. Like I don't think there's a world that exists where the United States could become like Nazi Germany in the 30s as a ramping up to World War Two. I just don't think that that's feasible given the circumstances and given the structure of America versus the structure of Germany back then. Like I get the how you could draw that line. But to me, I'm unconvinced that all of society could fall into that without like a severe precipitating event like, you know, you know, back in Germany, it was the economy being absolutely fucking throttled. And, you know, but there's it's just I don't buy it. Like I buy that smaller things can accumulate. But I think when you start to like really affect the average American, that's where the line gets crossed. And I think people will be like, hey, get the fuck away from my shit. And like right now, it's just not happening. Most people are getting affected or people who are vulnerable or, you know, immigrants, it's it's not the same yet. Well, I think I mean, I think I understand where you're coming from that. But I mean, like we have millions of Americans who are cheering, droning or not droning, but striking fishing boats of people who have no like they were never coming here in the first place. Millions of Americans have no problem with us picking up Venezuelans and sending them to El Salvador or people sending them to Sudan or these places that they don't know anything about. We have I mean, 30 to 30 percent of the country is fine with the Donald Trump third term, which could not be more illegal if you tried. Like I'm not a constitutional attorney, but I know what that's what how that reads in the Constitution constitutional men raps now. Right. Right. No, I agree with all that. But it's like I what I'm I think what you said there is a 30 percent. You're correct. What I'm more empowered by is the 70 percent of people who will go, well, no, fuck that. And I think like right now, a lot of them are not activated because their day to day life isn't getting threatened by what's happening. But I think the second you encroach into their day to day life, that's when you start to see this become a non-starter. And that's like that butting up against the line of an ever crossing. I think the Trump administration knows that. Yeah, I. I don't agree. I just haven't seen the evidence like show me like on a large scale. Well, the evidence for the average American like what like that's that's like I'm missing that. Anytime I hear this like fear from the left of like how far they can go. I'm like, OK, I see that how far they can go with low hanging fruit. But when it comes to stealing rights from the average person where they feel it every day, I've seen nothing like that from them because they know it's not possible. See, I had an interest, a different point. The day that Charlie Kirk got got, I saw a lot of people that I would never have expected to be upset about it come out of the fucking woodwork about the left is getting us. It's the left. The trans people are killing us. It's time. And I was like, that's way more than like the 15 percent of people that I saw were big Charlie Kirk fans. Yeah. It has to come out of that 70 percent. I think that there's there's people out there that are definitely hiding in the shadows, but I'm going like quietly agreeing and shit. But again, like those people are not. Feeling the effect of like their fundamental American rights being taken away. Yeah, but those fundamental American rights don't matter to them. Trump being a third president. Third term, I don't give a shit. He doesn't give a shit. Why would they care? They like the guy. They don't know the stakes because they don't feel like that's the thing. But there is no stake involved in it. Like there's no there's no stake in him having a third term until it's too late for them. Like if he goes, oh, I just want to have a third term. Don't worry. They go, OK, that's fine. And then they walk right first and never having an election again. And they have no idea until it's too late. And again, it sounds it may sound to some people like I'm being hyperbolic, but the old poem about like first they came for the socialists and I didn't speak because I'm not a socialist. And there was no one left to speak for me. Yeah, that that type of incrementalism is how fascism works. And it is. You know, first, it's the the immigrants. It's it's always, you know, the LGBTQ community first, right? They're they're always the ones who the fascists go after. It's who Hitler went after to Franco went after. It's who Mussolini went after. It's it's who Giraffy went after. Right. That's that's who they go after. And they go after the immigrants. Then right now they're going after not just immigrants. The 14th Amendment grants citizenship to everyone who's born on the US, on US soil, right? So they're moving past immigrants. They're moving towards. For the greater, you're like, case. And and that is that is many millions of people in this country who currently think that they are safe when when they are not. Well, yeah, no, I understand all that. I still think that that those are like compared to the average, flat out average American, these are not the average American. But are you are you referring to white people? No, I'm talking about the average American because I would argue that women have less rights today than they did when before Donald Trump was president, they've lost the correct. They've lost the rights over their own bodies. The LGBTQ plus community and some in some areas of the country can't even say that they're gay at their job. Right. That's a loss of Florida, for example, that don't say gay. You know, we've had legal legal immigrants deported, which is illegal. Yes. And they've lost their rights. So I guess like, you know, they're not going to take Maga's rights away from them. Right. This is my questions. Zach, when do they come for the white people's rights after everybody else's? And that is too fucking late. Right. That's sort of the narrative that I'm like, I agree with everything you saying, Tim, like I'm not saying nothing is going to take away from anybody. I'm so what I'm responding to is Luke's point of like, I don't think they make that step. And it's not just white people. I think it's just like the average person in America who's just born in America and they're just living their regular life. There's no extenuating circumstances. There's no value to the Trump administration or anybody on that side to trying to overthrow substantially how those people live, because in the end they don't they don't want that. Like there's no value at all, unless their true end goal is like a Hitler-esque end goal where they truly want to fucking send everybody who disagrees with them away to a concentration camp. And that's the kind of sure I'm like, I don't think that's ever going to happen in America. Yeah. But but like the spot where you walk all the way up to that, where they've just not touched the white people that are born here, is pretty fucking fascist. It's pretty terrible. It's atrocious. I'm talking about any color. No, no, I get it. But like that, the white people are the very last people that the Trump administration could not work. Of course, of course. But I'm not doing that for. And but it would require them coming after them for those people, a lot of those people to care for you. Middle-aged, suburban people. Yes. Do not care about anyone else. They get in their car every day and go to work and they don't give a fuck. They are never going to care until somebody comes after them or their family. And the Trump administration never takes that step. But every step prior to that is fucking terrible. Right. Well, I mean, that's sort of what I get out with my other stuff, where it's like in the end, the thing that takes down Trump is like those people feeling the effects of Trump's policies, right? Like his shitty fucking economic policies, making their life even more difficult to live. Like it's different if they have something to offer them. But if they have nothing to offer them, they're actually taking away from them. I can't ever imagine a world where they get enough power to be that. Like let's just shift the way that America functions. But I think that's part of the challenge and the scariness of the CBS Evening News thing or the CBS News thing in particular, right? Like, for example, we didn't even mention that, like, you know, this administration has been hell bent on getting rid of DEI, which is, first of all, it's not just for minorities, but like that is a message that they have pumped into their world so that white Americans are like, I'm OK with that. So like, you know, I think I think the hard thing, you know, for me and I'm not I'm not clearly saying you're advocating for this to be clear, but it's like very frustrating to me that every single minority population in this country essentially has had some rights taken away and the average white person goes, man. Yeah, fuck those people that, you know, and that's a different thing. I know you're arguing. That's a bit to be very, very very different. Not at all. My. But I don't. But I think you're right. Like, I think, you know, I think he is or they. I mean, look, they want a white ethno state. They do. I don't know if I believe that. Stephen Miller does. I would say. You know, maybe he does. But he's the deputy chief of staff. He's the president of the United States. Right. Dollar to donut. Elon Musk does. You know, for sure. There's definitely. If you want that. Why else would you be would you be kicking out millions and millions of of immigrants if it wasn't for that? For sure. Because it's not the economic. They're going to. It's not economic. It's not economic reasons. It's not crime reasons. It just even even just hearing it like just as somebody who lives in the middle of it, like hearing they just want a white ethno state feels like a very blanket, large, broad statement. It's like, I do agree. They prioritize white people. There's no question about it. And I think that they want white people to be the primary holders of power. That I won't debate. That's clear as day. What I think that huge leap of going, they want a white ethno state where they're going to strip the rights away from everybody who's not white. That just feels like I don't. They're doing in their in their right. They're just going to send them out. That's what aren't they. But aren't they doing it? Well, they're doing tiny pieces of it. Yes. Well, I don't know if those communities would say tiny pieces. No, I agree. But if we're if we're analyzing the meta, right, they have taken this much of it. They're not here yet. And like and my argument is I don't think they can capture most of this. And I think they know that. But but that's right. I'm not saying they could do it all either. But I think they they want to. To me, this is the white ethno state for people listening. I'm holding my hands far. It's like, I think that's where I like to get as close to that as I can. As Tim's. Why do you think that's going to take every step until get? Well, yes, I think I think their goal, right? Is to push everybody else down. Yeah. Right. And lift up white people, which let's be honest, they've all had the advantages in this country over anyone else. It doesn't mean their lives are easy. It just means it's easier. Oh, for sure. But like, you know, these things with DEI, they do not want minorities, people of color competing with white people and going to college. That's exactly what that's for. They don't want Latinos in certain areas unless they're picking fruits and vegetables. They don't want to hear anything else. Right. And they're they're moving, moving people. Yeah. LGBTQ plus community, they're talking about getting rid of all of the discrimination or taking them out of discrimination laws in this country. So the fact we're like a teacher in elementary school can't say they're gay, but a teacher can say that they're straight. That's discrimination, right? We're pushing everybody down and pushing them out of these worlds so that white people take those jobs, change the conversations around these issues. And I would argue, send us back to the I can't even say forties like earlier. I think if they could do it, they would. I don't think they can succeed because I think there's like the eighties. So let's let's talk about two government officials and and things that they said and did over the last few days. So first is Vice President J.D. Vance, who once called Donald Trump, America's Hitler, who the Vanity Fair article revealed that the the chief of staff of the president believes that J.D. Vance has been a conspiracy theorist for 10 years, right? That's how you enter this fascist pipeline, this white nationalist pipeline. J.D. Vance attended Turning Point USA this this past weekend. And while on stage, he said that you don't have to apologize for being white in America anymore. This is the same this is the same problem that we had with like the war on Christmas thing. We've all laughed about the war on Christmas for, I don't know, 15 years now. Oh, longer like the Daily Show. The Daily Show was was doing clips on this during the Bush administration, right? So it's been it's been quite some time that we have been laughing at them talking about the war on Christmas. But what we hear a joke, they hear there's a war on Christians. They hear that there is a jihad against them. And a lot of evangelicals in this country, Fox News viewers have internalized this. And it has risen to the point that we now have a Fox News host, who is the secretary of defense weekend on Friday, weekend host. Yeah, weekend, a drunk weekend host who is now the secretary of defense, calling himself the secretary of war. And he just threw out the army chaplain's manual because it included too many mentions of things like mental health. There are not enough about God. And to be specific, we're talking about his God because Capital one is just one of them. Yes, he is reducing the number of denominations that the military is going to recognize because he wants to slim down what it means to be a godly person. So we have entered the space where where it is becoming official government policy to one produce the conspiracy theory that anyone has ever had to apologize for being white, which which has the vice president of the United States, who Erica Kirk endorsed for the next presidency, has said has promoted this conspiracy theory, which is a white nationalist conspiracy theory. And white nationalism is not a harmless ideology. It is not simply promoting whiteness and defending whiteness. It is exclusive. It is inherently genocidal. The vice president talking about that as the secretary of defense is eliminating religious freedom in the world's largest department, the world's largest employer. We've entered fascism like we're marching towards it. I'll put it. I'll put my I as you agree with a lot of that. I'll sum a what I'm saying very simply. I think they've made a product that you've described perfectly that has reached its market saturation point. I don't think that they can bring in new people. I think that they've made it a very destructive product because all the things you guys are talking about and upset about are worth being upset about and worth talking about. There's no question. What I'm saying is I think they've reached a point of saturation where they're not bringing in enough new people to push it forward. And yes, they have power and they function. They can do all these things. But in the end, what I believe in more than their ability to access and use their power is the structures of America that are not ever going to be changed. Like we're going to have elections in 2026 and they're going to lose the house and their functional power is going to drop significantly. Things like that I refuse to believe will ever go away. I mean, I think that's a fair that's a that's a fair statement. And I think we have seen that, you know, his numbers are horrible, right? Horrible. But they're still, you know, I mean, we're all used to this. Like we all say that the 30 percent, the mid 30s is like him being doing bad. That's still a hundred million Americans. Oh, it's horrible. Right. Like it's horrible. That's the scary part. And I and the people, the thing is, I think like I do think without him as their I don't know, they're really their God, right? They follow him more than the Christian God. It's going to be harder for them, right? But I, you know, I think it I do think like there's both things are true, right? I think it could be that they're at that point. But some of that's also because people have started to fight and they're starting to get a different narrative, right? But, you know, that thing with the military, too, is also like they've gone after both trans people have now been banned from the military. And they've even gone after after the Americans, and it's with the tons of years. All these things, it's very, very clear. And I know you're I know you're not disputing. No, I'm not just I'm not just being any of that, nor am I defending any of it. You know, it's no. I mean, look, the way I look at it is the only reason that I look at this one, not the only reason, but one of the primary reasons I look at this and go, I also don't think this could happen is Donald Trump is not an effective doer. He's a very effective communicator, but he's not a good. He doesn't put things in the power. I'd be much more concerned if JD Vance was president because he would be far more effective at implementing what they want to implement. But Trump just doesn't give a fuck. Like, in the end, Trump gives fuck about Trump. He doesn't want to do all this stuff. He always people around him wants to do this shit. He just wants the power and the fucking glory and a tweet about it. And that's, you know, but it's like I root for Trump to live. Like, that's really like for me, it's like the worst thing that could happen is JD Vance becoming president because he's smart and he can function well in a place and a mix of of him and Susie Wiles together. Trump's chief of staff would be terrifying because that doesn't get stuff done. I mean, we talked about her last week, but like the reason that she's still there is because Trump loves her because he is implementing things that or she's implementing things he wants her to do. Yes. And she's absolutely he's enamored with her. So yeah, I think but I do think the Vance stuff that he said at turning points is just nuts. I mean, raise your hand if anyone has ever asked you to apologize for being white. There were some crazy shit. I live in a very liberal place. You would think if anybody was according to them, right? I attended Columbia University and it didn't even happen there. Right. It's just never happened. It's just ridiculous. But I just like that's another question, though, guys, like, you know, is it is it a saturation point or are we turning some are we waking some folks up? What do we think? Well, obviously, he has he has plummeted in the polls. And all these elections point to, you know, I would argue a either a very large wave or even potentially a tsunami in November of 2026. But like, is it just that like they have gone as far as they can? Or we are pushing back to a poll as far as I can fucking. We are at a current saturation point, but that the saturation point is is growing. It is growing larger as they consolidate media, as they consolidate social media and traditional media. As as they grow in non-traditional media, as Barry Weiss did with the free press and her sub stack, I think that the baseline for what is acceptable or the Overton window of what is acceptable is sliding right. And it's sliding right faster than any of us, you know, really in anticipated or thought was possible. And I think as a threat analyst that it's there's still plenty of room for that Overton window to keep moving, keep rolling and for more people to think that policies that we currently view as extreme to to view them as acceptable. Not just debatable, but as acceptable once they're implemented. I agree with that. And I also think that you're right. It's like I'd say non-traditional media is probably the way that's permeating the fastest. And that to me is the scariest part of it, where you don't have a diet of balance. You have a diet of the other. The only reason I get like a little less concerned about it is because everybody who's existing in that space is usually already siloed into one echo chamber or the other. So like there's not a lot of conversion going on. But I agree, like it does, the conversion does happen. But I think the primary driver of what creates conversion on the other side of us coming back and gaining ground is just how fucking bad these guys are to legislating and creating programs for regular people. And like a lot of the people that get converted are people who are getting fucked right now. And like they at a certain point, their health insurance costing twice what it used to is going to matter more than a video they saw on TikTok and shit. And I think that is a answer to your question, Tim. I think that's a piece of what we're seeing. Yeah. I mean, I agree with all of that. And I think that they are terrible legislators. I mean, not even like, I mean, the things that like all they seem to be able to pass is tax cuts for rich people and then screw poor people along the way. But in this particular instance, there's like no one else to blame. It's like squarely on just them squarely on them. So I mean, to summarize this, find out media is going to solve all of this by you all of you subscribing and listening to us and building us up as big as those guys. So we will, you know, we will be able to defeat them. But speaking of defeat. Ready for this? Good. This was a good pivot. This is a very good one. Thank you. Oh, yes. Defeat this weekend. There were two boxing matches. Now, you never hear me talk about boxing matches, but I'm going to talk about these two because you guys will love this too. So in one, there was Jake Paul fought for really like the first time actual somebody, his age and relative weight class and everything and got the shit living shit beat out of him. Like he actually got his jaw broken by one of the, I guess that was a left hook straight to the jaw. And there's even a photo online. It's super gross. So you may not want to see it where you can actually see the teeth separate in his jaw because it's so broken. And so he got the shit beat out of him. But actually what's even better is that Andrew Tate also had a boxing match, which I didn't even know he did this. And he got destroyed. Like these clips, I have watched these clips so many times and I don't even like boxing. It's that they make me fucking get it. It's also like all fixed. It's not real. Like, you know, that whole Jake Paul Tyson thing was such a joke. But these man like, oh, the thing that is going to hurt them the most. Are the stills on their knees with their face in the groin of their opponent. Those images for both of those fucking losers are going to haunt them and they're going to have nightmares. And that is the part that I enjoy the most. Oh, yeah. The violence is great. Like I want those people to feel physical pain and for them to be embarrassed. But those images are the most powerful and most lasting personally and professionally to them. Yeah. I mean, and that's it. That's actually an interesting. It's an extra interesting point because, you know, these guys are, I don't know if I want to say heroes, but like they have a very large audience of, you know, super bros, basically, and kids who don't know any better. And I am curious if them both being humiliated on a on a big stage will will dent their sort of cred of like, I am what it, you know, this bullshit story they tell about, I am a masculine man and this is how you, a man should act. And then they're, you know, laying on the floor, or a ship out of them when they finally fight somebody that's, you know, in their age group or, you know, weight class or whatever. I saw somebody that called Jake Paul, a conservative's idea of what a DEI hire is, and that made me fucking piss myself. So the effect, I don't think will be immediate. Yeah. But what this is going to do is it is going to make it so that neither of them, and I don't know shit about Jake Paul, really. I think I remember him from doing splits on YouTube in like 2007. Is that him or his brother? Because there's two of them. I don't know. Like one of them can do splits and they were doing it. And that's like the only video I've ever seen of this. Yeah. But their losses are going to limit the podcasts that they can go on because they cannot ever go on a podcast where the host is going to talk about their loss. So they have to stay at least for a while in the friendly podcast zone only. They can't go outside. And that that is where they actually build an audience because the audience doesn't seek them out. The audience gets introduced to them through, you know, the Joe Rogan's and the, you know, the other contrarian idiots. That is how they get platformed. So so their avenues for recruitment are at least temporarily shut down. That's a good point. I hadn't even really thought about that. And it is true. I also think that it just it's another reminder that mockery is probably the most powerful weapon we have against these guys. I mean, it's sort of like this Riley Gaines, right? This is a woman who, you know, she competed against a trans swimmer, female swimmer, and she lost, but she came in fifth place. So even without the, without the, the trans swimmer, she still wouldn't have wouldn't have meddled. She still would have lost. So like any and now she's turned this into this whole right wing grift machine. Do you see her at turning point? I saw a bit of it, but what did she issues all about? We live in a country where it's brave to stand up and say that there's two genders like what what what a bag of shit. It's it's not brave, but it is insanely profitable. Yes. It is insanely. I mean, if if any one of us were to just to just do that, we could market ourselves as the former Democrat, the former liberal who saw the light and started hating trans people. And you can make a million dollars in a year minimum. Oh, very quickly. This is what Candace Owens did. People don't don't know this, but like when she started her like online journey, she was progressive. Well, quote unquote, she pushed a progressive message. And do you want to know why she switched to the right? Because it's more profitable. All about the cash. And now she is like completely insane and like saying all of this insane anti-semitic stuff. There's this whole, which we can get into another time, but like this whole right wing war, her versus Ben Shapiro and then her versus turning points. And then like her versus Erica and then she versus Erica, Charlie Kirk's widow to the point where Candace had told her audience that she was meeting with Erica to smooth things over. And her audience thought that they were that Erica and the turning points people were going to kill her. Like they actually believed that people are fucking crazy. And she had to come out and be like, I'm still alive. And it's like, what? Like, and these people believe it. So like, yeah, I mean, like the the tapes of the world and the Jake Pauls. I mean, Jake Paul's a little bit different. He's not quite the like. Or he has. I don't think he's broken the law like, like, like Andrew Tate has, but still like pushes a mag agenda and supports the president. But like that you're right, they have to go outside of their echo chambers or they don't grow. And if all this weekend was on social media was those two guys getting the shit beat out of them and everybody making fun of them. Well, there there is another Leopard's eating faces thing that happened this weekend and that was that Ben Shapiro at at Turning Point USA. He was one of the earlier guests because he's falling down on the wrong of importance. So it wasn't a headliner. He went out and called out all of these conspiracy theorists and right wing talk show hosts like Tucker Carlson, who who was a headliner who did speak after him for platforming for platforming neo-nazis like Nick Fuentes. And they also dropped the Arsler. And right now we are watching as Turning Point USA, which, you know, J.D. Vance has great relationship with and is going to support. Erica Kirk is going to, you know, motivate high school students to come out in support of J.D. Vance, right? That is what is going to happen in a few years. Yep. We're existing in a point where that same political machine is having a debate right now as to whether or not it's OK to platform neo-nazis and that side that is platforming Nazis is winning. Ben Shapiro is losing. Yes. Yep. Like the Leopard is eating his face and he is no longer going to be relevant in this movement pretty soon. And what's wild and it's not a good thing, though, because it means the Nazis are winning and the Nazis are taking over a part. I don't I don't necessarily feel bad for Ben and I'm not suggesting you are either. But like he also helped to make this happen. It was one of those Pandora's. Well, it's a well, well, well moment. Yeah. And it's like, well, you know, like you didn't you could have said something 10 years ago and you didn't. And you got on board and trumpet 2020 and all this shit. Like he he bears as much responsibility for this growth. And now he's trying to like act like he's the like, oh, whoa, whoa. This is just too crazy. And it's like, dude, you you have been like platforming these idiots forever. Like, stop, like, you know, and then it's also I do enjoy it because there are videos of Ben any time he actually debates somebody that has a brain and they completely pants him. So like I do enjoy that stuff with him. But like he. Yeah, it's it's too late, buddy. Like you've made all your money off these people and now you don't like what you've done. Yeah. Now, of course, he can he doesn't have to do anything in versus life. He's got tens of millions of dollars and he will be fine. But yeah, it is. He would be. But the worst thing in the world to him is being irrelevant. Irrelevant. Like the money is great, but he wants to be relevant. Right. Well, I don't I don't think that's I mean, we'll see. I mean, I think we're going to see a really interesting. I mean, I also thought it was interesting. They endorse. She endorsed. It didn't say 28 because, of course, they can't say that Donald Trump can't run for a third term, you know, another one of these defenders of democracy who want him to run for a third term. But I'm really it's really going to be interesting to me to see what happens over the next year as candidates start talking about running and what Donald Trump's going to do because it's going to take attention away from him. He's going to lose his fucking mind. So yeah, I can't wait for Republicans to start talking about a primary. Like I know. I'm the Santas. Fox News lined up behind Ron DeSantis. They were they threw their full weight behind him. That guy was was a guest more often than any other potential candidate for a reason. Rupert Murdoch wanted him to be the next president. And even Rupert Murdoch and his giant machine couldn't stop Donald Trump from completely fucking dismantling. And by then, you know, Donald Trump was already, you know, very clearly becoming a senior was very much not the energetic, you know, performer that he was back in 2016. He could just use raw hate. And and that was enough to run over a relatively popular piece of shit. Governor. Yeah, they even gave him shoes with lifts in it. So he didn't look so tiny. Yep. I do like that. He's like five, four. He hates it so much. You know, another one of these guys, you know, these guys, they act all tough and it's all like he's got like the Napoleon complex. But anyways, well, let's end on a happy note, guys, because it's almost Christmas. And I know that, you know, very Chrysler Fox News were supposed to be against Christmas. But I think we all we all celebrate it. So, you know, I think for me, I want to I mean, this is the wrap of our year. I guess we're doing another episode. Maybe I shouldn't do our year wrap until next week, because we got one more to go. And it's also too late to, you know, you know, actually, if you've forgotten Christmas is on Thursday and you're in deep trouble, you know, you could do. You get some merch at the find out store. Yeah, it'll be a little late, but it's pretty good. But look, you know what? You know, what's the best thing ever is if for some reason, you know, Christmas day, you tour through the presents and everything and you're like, oh, man, Christmas is over and you're it's like a letdown. And then you see that one package that everybody forgot in the back and everyone gets excited. You open it. That's what you could do with this merch. You can always ship it directly to your intended recipient and just be like, I ordered it weeks ago and I don't, you know, fee is actually great. They they. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, we're not good at that. But yeah, but you're your intended recipient. Yes, that could be screwed up. Yeah. And you just say, oh, I ordered it so long. And these shirts are so popular that there was a huge backlog and they just couldn't get it out in time because find out such a popular podcast, everyone wants their shirts. And that's why you're getting one for Christmas. This is the one I think too late here. But yeah, it doesn't even have to be Christmas. You know what? Like you could celebrate whatever after, you know, the week, the week between Christmas and New Year's where nobody knows what time it is or what day it is or what year it is. Like, you know, a nice union printed made of the USA T-shirt could just be the thing that the the doctor ordered for those winter blues. And you know what? Well, while people are are missing out on our two episodes that we're not going to make over the next couple of weeks, they can check out my other podcast. Yes, the podcast on the Valor media network. The the first episode with Tad Sturmer is is very intentional. He is an army veteran. He is a resistance historian. And I really wanted that episode and this historian to kind of set the tone for what this show is all about. As as dark as I am and as dark as my show is is going to be. That's that's my role here, right? It's to be the bad news fairy. I wouldn't be in this fight if I didn't believe that we could still win. And that is what this entire show is about. The the second episode I had Ken Casey with Dropkick from Dropkick Murphy's. That show has over 40,000 views on YouTube now, which is absolutely tremendous. Then we've got Harry Dunn. We've got General Honoree after that. And the next episode that's coming up after Christmas is with Jonathan Katz. Oh, we have we've done a live with before people have met him that way. And we talk about the echoes of history with the gunboat diplomacy that America did 100 years ago in in Latin America. And what kind of blowback we can expect from the things that are happening today? Because the scars of that history are all over Latin America and Asia and other parts of the world from 100 years ago. It still shapes the the way that people live all all over the world. And, you know, sometimes people rightfully hold grudges and Americans and future generations have to pay for that. So where can they find this, Chris? So they can find on offense anywhere that you listen to podcasts. On YouTube, it is with the Valor media network. So if you just look for Valor media network on on YouTube, it'll be right there. It's a weekly show, so not as often as as the find out podcast. It's a little darker. I'm going to, you know, be fully transparent. But every single show, I end by asking my guests how real people can go on offense for a democracy. And and if if I ever have a guest who doesn't give me a good answer, I'm not going to air the episode. So I promise we always end on a good note. Well, it might be dark, but you know what else it is? It's entertaining. Yeah, check it out. Yeah, but check out on offense, the Valor media network. And if you've got plenty of time, go back and watch our old episodes too. You know, they're still entertaining. See how well they they do they age. Did we did we actually know what we were talking about? Actually, how many predictions we made that were terribly wrong? I don't know if I want. I don't know if I want anyone doing that. A little afraid. I can't I can't remember yesterday. So I can't I think 70 episodes of Valor media network. I think 70 episodes. I'm like, oh, God, so we're going to see a super cut someday of our worst takes. Somebody's going to put online. But but you know what, guys, I think that's good. I think we added on a nice note. Check out that merchandise at find out podcast.com. You can also get a subscription to to find out podcast at Substack, which is find out podcast.substack.com. Also, go subscribe to our YouTube channel, which is very, very important for us. And and for now, you know, I'm going to blow up Fox News's narrative and say Merry Christmas to those of you who celebrate and happy holidays to the youth that don't. And that's OK, too. We don't care in a belated happy honoka. A belated happy. Yes. Yes. And an early current currently, right? Is it current? I don't know. We're we ran out of candles, so we stopped with the menorah a few days ago. So we so I've lost count. I don't know. I don't. I don't know. Anyways, either happy current honoka or happy press honoka and we'll be back next week for one episode. And then we'll wrap up the year. We'll have to do some like, you know, look backs next next week on, you know, good things that happen. We got to focus on some good things because there's a lot of bad that happened this year. Don't get me wrong. But there were also some good things too. It's of hope as we're going into 2026. So with that, thank you guys. Thank you everyone for listening. Have a wonderful holiday season. Merry Christmas and we'll see you next Tuesday. Bye, guys.