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About two hours and 45 minutes to Baltimore. So it is as far away on the other side of the state as it could be. About two hours and 40 minutes to Largo, Maryland. Our last Maryland episode, the mother daughter murders. That was a crazy one. That was the one where there was two different pairs of mother daughters got killed. They thought it was somebody with a little predilection for that. This is in Worcester County and I hope they're pronouncing it the same as the Massachusetts does there. Area codes 410443 and 667. Good Lord. It's a lot for a small town. The population of this town, it fluctuates a lot. We'll just say the permanent population is about 6,800 people. 6,869 is the number. But on a summer weekend, 350,000 people. Why? Because it's ocean city. Yeah, this is the people go here on vacation and this is a hot spot for that. That many? That many. So the 6,869 that live there are the people selling. They're curious. The other 300, well, that's how they make a living, I'm sure. Yeah. It's off those people. A median household income here. And the reason why I say there are probably a lot of service people because it's lower than the national average. Really? 58,563 dollars. And then the median home cost does not help if that's what you make. Because that's $433,600. Yeah. Because it is still Maryland. Yeah. So if you live here and get by the ocean, if you live here and you work in some tourist-based industry, you live in an apartment probably. Yeah. Something like that. Oh, very good. So a little bit of history. This land here was a whole land. Is it a whole land? Is an island. Yeah. From California. Yeah. Sorry. So, yeah. Jesus, you are. You got that. The caboodle. It's like a fourth grade. I can't stop. It's fun. I love it. So this whole area was obtained by Thomas. I can't stop. It's fun. So this whole area was obtained by Thomas Fenwick from the Indigenous people who lived here at the beginning with. And then some other guy, Isaac Coffin. Isaac Coffin. Just like COFFIN. Yeah. Built a beachfront cottage to receive paying guests. And he was the first one. And then from there. Oh, it's like a bed and breakfast. Can you just put up a cottage? Who wants to rent it? Look at that. Look at the ocean. So, yep. Then they said, hey, we should make like, you know, this should be a spot. So they cut it up into a bunch of lots and started doing that kind of thing. It's moved. Before 1870, this area was known as the Ladies Resort to the Ocean. That's what everyone thought it was. It was all some ladies resort. I don't know what it was. It was like a spa. Like a spa? A daispa? Like a brunch place or something. I don't know. They're feet getting touched. That's it. The Atlantic Hotel was the first major hotel in town. That opened in 1875. So it's been cranking for a while. Some reviews of this town, let's figure it out here. Here's five stars. I'm one of the very few people who actually live there. Yeah. I've grown up in Ocean City, very fortunate with easy access to the beach. Grue up just running across the street to jump in the ocean and enjoy a sun-filled day of fun. Oh, boom. You little prick. For people who grew up not near the ocean. Like, God, it's like you little bastard. How dare you. That's a very fun person. I'm sure. Jesus. It's all moment with activities to do in a great supportive community. Really? Oh, yeah. It's dirty dancing every day, not just for the summer. All the time. Three stars. Ocean City is a beautiful place, but it's slowly becoming less and less of a family-friendly place. Oh, great. Maybe I'll go there then. I wasn't interested before. No kids. I'm coming. Yeah. Any family planning to vacation here who's not from around the area should, in all caps, avoid Ocean City during, quote, senior week. Now, that sounds like a bunch of filthy, old people have an orgies and shit, but it's not. It's when high school graduates flood Ocean City. Oh, my God. What could be worse? Horrifying. And then, for time, we will just do one more. One star, this person is unhinged. And what he says makes me believe it because he's crazy. So maybe this is what caused this crazy. Ocean City is full of radiation. Oh. Okay. What is their nuclear waste buried nearby or something like that? Something legitimate. Oh no. Quote. All the condos and hotels have 5G on top of them. Oh my God. Yup. Traffic lights are very high radiation. Traffic lights. Power. Power lines are real high radiation over 300 towers in an in a 11-beach, if you believe, by yourself a meter. Question mark. Or stop some of those meters and doing it like this. Oh, either this guy sells radiation meters. Yeah, exactly. Or he's a insane, crazy lunate action. An actual cook. Things to do here. Well, the goddamn beach. It's right there. It should be pretty obvious. Sand water. You get it. You get it. There's also the Ocean's Calling Festival. They have a bunch of food and they have a shitload of bands. And this isn't, these are big people here. Yeah, I'm glad. Green day, Lenny Kravitz. What? The Black Crow's Nelly OAR cake. Of course, Nelly. Of course, Nelly. I was gonna say, where's Luda Kristen here? Cake, live, the frights is just 1990. They're getting live to come back. Yeah. Yeah. I'm back would be a good way to put it. I wonder if that guy still has that long ponytail at the back of his bald head like a mongol. He can love them. Oh, man. Fountains of Wayne. Yeah. The 502s, the spin doctors. They're still going. Wow. Letters to Cleo, Ballyhoo, Bell, Izzy Eskibar. That's Friday. What? That's one day? That's one day. Saturday, Noah, Kay, Cahan, vampire weekend, good Charlotte, modest mouse, Jacksman, and collective soul, and Vogue. And Vogue. And Vogue. That's good because I saw the one lady in Nogue was homeless. So that's good, actually. She was living in her car. So at least the weather is nice here. Franz Ferdinand, Natasha Beddingfield, DJ, Jazzy Jeff, just by himself. Natasha Beddingfield. Matt Kierney, Weedis, Bumpen, Ugly's, Rachel, Anna, Dobkin, Venn Sunday. God damn, that's amazing. Fallout boy, Weezer, Train, Devo, Vance, Joy, Ziggy, Marley, Four, Non-Blonds, Michelle Branch, Blind Melon. Wow. Guy died, the neat burning spear, Marcy Playground, Eric Hutchinson, holy shit. That is an amazing week. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of people. Yeah, yeah. And earlier, if you were like 17 and 1998, that is like, you'd love to go to that show. Let's ring, Scotty. Um, that said, let's talk about some murder. Shall we get into this? Yeah. Okay. For this, we're going to go back to 2002. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And let's find out about some people in 2002. All right. Here's a young man named Joshua Ford. Okay. Joshua Ford is 32 years old. And the best thing I can say is a damn solid citizen, this cat. Is that right? He's an insurance underwriter from Boston. Now, don't hold that against him. I don't know. Working insurance. He's an army veteran. Um, he's a nice guy raised in South Boston, too. He's a Southy guy. Sure. He's huge into karate since he's a young man. He's a very young man since he was a child, very much into that. How old is he in 2002? 32. 2002? 2002. So he's born in 1970, which is prime karate time. When he came up, Bruce Lee was the biggest thing in the fucking world. So 70s was like all karate. And then it died a little bit. Then karate kid resurged it. Right. And then a bunch of kids took karate and realized they still get their asses kicked if they have a green belt. Doesn't matter. Because we don't fight with discipline. No. I'm not your team. Punches you in the face. None of your none of that shit matters anymore. Yeah. Nice stance. I have a two by four. Especially in Southy. Imagine people. Come on. Let's see. Let's see a crane that guy. Come on. What do you got a brick? What do you got over there? Come on. Yeah. I got brass knuckles. Let's see if it matches up. So um, after his military service, he was in the army. He attended Norfolk State University in Virginia and became an insurance underwriter and mortgage broker. Okay. So a real kind of just solid guy you could say. Nothing crazy. Doesn't get arrested all the time or any crazy shit like that. He has a girlfriend. Also. Now he's 32. Yeah. His girlfriend is 51 years old. I don't boy. That's interesting. Yeah. Because you're always going out with people 20 years older than you. 20 years. 20 years. 20 years. 20 years. Yeah. That's a long time. You can see that the other way. You just don't see it this way very often. It's interesting. Yeah. It's fine. But in 2002, less so. Yeah. Oh, totally. And I know. I just know how men's minds work. And unless he's the nicest man in the face of the earth is hanging the last. You know what I'm saying? Probably not. Yeah. He's going to eventually. Yeah. Yeah. But it's going well right now. These two get along great. They're devoted to each other. His girlfriend is Martha Crutchley. She goes by Jeannie. Okay. Yeah. Might be her middle name or something. She's 51 years old like we said. She's an insurance executive from Kansas. Yeah. And she has not missed a day of work in 20 years. Really? Missed perfect attendance over here. All the medals hanging for each year, I could say. Has not missed a day of work in 20 years. She's like known for it. It's her claim to fame in the office. She's likely called in sick. But that's not missing a day of work, right? No, no, no, hasn't missed. Has not called in sick. Nothing. So she spread so many diseases around this office, I'm sure. That's what it is. Yeah. Whenever I see perfect attendance with kids, I'm like, yeah. Tell me that kids have never been sick. Give me a break. You are a reckless son of a bitch. Yeah. But she came from Cunningham, Kansas. She worked as an insurance executive out of Chantilly, Virginia. And that's they worked together. They lived together. Sure. Her him and her and Josh. Her colleagues say she, like I said, 20, I think it's 21 years. She never missed a day of work. They met in December 99. She go, how do these two get together? Yeah. You know, the age difference. She hasn't missed a day of work since he was 10. Yeah. Since he was in the different. That's crazy. So they met at a company Christmas party. Well, Jeannie was on a business trip in Boston. And they got immediately. Right away. They had a great connection. Both of them had been married once before. Each of them had a child from previous relationships. I'm assuming of very different ages. Yeah. Her child could have probably had his child. Probably. But still, yeah. But they love, they love each other. They moved in together in Fairfax County, Virginia about April 2001. Josh's brother Mark said they were just in love. He said they were gardening. They were doing everything that couples do that are in love. Oh, how gardening is the first thing he thinks of? They were gardening. They were gardening. You know, doing everything that couples do. What is that? Is that what you see as the pinnacle of couple success, gardening? Falling weeds. Real weird. It just wasn't like them to vanish. I'm going to talk about this. OK. Now October 2001, Josh's 23-year-old niece was found decapitated and buried in a shallow grave on Cape Cod. Oh my God. Yeah, that was some deep shit for Josh. He went through a lot with that. Did they solve it? Well, they said that not only was her head missing, but reports indicated that her heart had been cut out of her body as well. Unsolved, still that murder. No one ever got to it. So there's our real bad dude walking around out there somewhere. Even today? They never solved it. So. Oh my God. It's been 24 years. I hope the guys dead by now, but maybe not. Probably not. As we find out, when we found the Gilgoye Beach guy and all that, they're still out there these guys. Yeah. You know, what the hell? We don't know what's going on in Houston with all those bodies. Who knows? That's why. Memorial Day weekend, 2002. So late May. I always get them mixed up with Labor Day too. Wait, wait. Yeah, I did too. OK. I remember I was on Cape Cod for Labor Day one year. And a man screamed Labor Day. And I'll never forget it as long as I live. You know, I know that that's in September. No shit. So Josh and Genie were trying to, they had a lot of grief over this. And Josh is having a hard time. So they want to go away, have a good time. Yeah. So they drove to Ocean City and checked into the Atlantis condominiums, which is a beach front, beautiful, high-rise condominiums. They have a balcony that overlooks the ocean. Yeah. And they can garden all over that bad boy. They're going to get some rumors growing out there fast. It's funny. It's like a bird. Isn't that weird? It's about a strange thing to say. Such a strange line. So Josh calls his brother from the balcony saying, wow, this view is amazing. They stopped at the grocery store, stocked up the fridge, bought a bunch of toiletries and left shit on the bag, all on the table because they're going out. What are we going to hang out in this condo or at the ocean? Let's go. So they get on a city bus. They're going to ditch the car because they're going to go out party in that night. So smart. They're going on a bus. And on a city bus, they run into a young couple. And they don't have exact change for the bus. They're like trying to, you know, like $5. Like does anybody have change for this? And Josh asks them, are you two going to Jesus Christ? I hate these bar names. Are you two going to secrets? I'll give you a guess how that's spelled, by the way. Is it with a kid? Oh, S.E.A. Yep. Secrets. Yeah. That's the one. Jesus. Who two going to secrets? And like everyone on the whole bus was going to secrets. They thought. So the guy that they just met, he looked at, you know, he looked over and she shrugged that guy looked over at his girlfriend and he said, yeah. And so Josh said, sit down. I'll get it. And he gave the driver exact change. Okay. I could take care of it. And then the young couple they meet said, oh, all right. Well, by a drink when we get there, I said, yeah, great. Sounds good. We're all on vacation. Who cares, you know what I mean? Long Island, even swap. Even swap. So they sat down in an empty seat next to the couple. They just met sat down next to Genie and Josh. You know, Genie's looking smiling and happy. And they're on vacation. You know, that's the way it is. So the one, the woman from the couple they meet says on Erica. And this is my husband, beach, BJ Benjamin, beach. Hi, I'm beach. I'm slang for blowjob. Yeah. Don't call your husband, beach. Never. Jesus Christ. Like I've said, a beach. Tis calling Benny for Christ's sake. What's the problem? Then it's fine. Beach. No. BJ is bad enough, but beach is even worse. Yeah. That's like an excitable. It's a douche bag. It's a douche bag. I've got a blowjob. What happened last night? Gave me a good beager. So gave me a beach and went on home. Yep. And she said, America with a K, by the way. Oh, God. You know, like it. Am I writing you a card? I just met you. Shut up. I don't care. Who are we talking about? I'm not at a gas station looking for your little license. Yeah. Fuck off. This is stupid. And well, she says, I'm Genie and this is Josh. And so the people she met are Erica Elaine originally Grace. Now it's Ciferate. Oh. But it's Erica Elaine Grace. She was born February 3rd, 1978. So younger than them by far. She's from Pennsylvania, only child of Charlotte and Gerald Grace. Gerald was a very successful contractor. So she grew up with some money doing well, doing very well. They grew up, she grew up in Altona, Pennsylvania. Oh, um, friends say she wasn't spoiled, but she always had every goddamn thing she needed, which is spoiled. If you, if you grew up poor, that's spoiled. But what exactly is spoiled? That's a, what would spoiled be? I, I, I don't like the color of my corvette anymore by me. A new one. Yeah. To me, getting everything you need is spoiled. That's spoiled is spoiled. If you're poor, that's spoiled. Yeah, we grew up poor. So that's spoiled. Yeah. Poor, fuck. Look at this guy with school clothes. Look at this fucking asshole. That's, that's how we grew up. Oh, God, Jesus. So Erica does really well. She's a really good basketball player, like excellent basketball. This is so weird because our other show this week, which is, had one. He's a basketball player too. She's an honor student, stells academically she does well. A friend of her said, you couldn't have met a nicer, more polite person than Erica. She was dedicated to her sport, just as she was to her studies. All right. Wow, can't beat that. But she also, under the surface, as a lot of perfectionist people have like that. She's got a lot of disorders going on inside of her because that's what makes you act like that. No, why are you acting like that? You know what I mean? There's a sickness to success. Yeah. There's also you're a people and you're insecure as a, as a child as you grow up. And if you're just being rewarded, you don't understand how to fix those insecurities. So they just faster and get worse. That's what successful people are a fucking nightmare. That too. Yeah. That too. And also, usually this type of thing is the perfectionist mother wanting you to be and her father either wants to think he's a contractor. He's probably gone a lot. So I'm saying, your mother's probably around more with her. Just that kind of thing to make her like that. She's got some anxiety. She's got OCD issues. She missed this. Oh, I feel bad because this is exactly, I've done this a million times. Yeah. Stuff like this. She wouldn't go in for dinner unless she hit 10 free throws in a row. Yeah. That's the type of shit that I have going on in my life all the time. You'd have to do things 20 times step away. Look at them and do them one more time. Sister, I feel you. I had a basketball hoop I would put in the street and we were on our street connected with another street. So it like ran into it. And as cars would pass us, I would try to get three layups in before the car went by. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could do that then I'd go inside and I can never fucking do that. Jimmy's been outside since 1986. He's recording this from the intersection. If you hear a whoosh every once in a while, it's just a car flying by working on three layups. Now, and her father was the one who was really relentless about her success. You have to do this. You have to do that. And this is a lot of time successful people put these weird things on their kids where you have to be as good as I am. And it's like, come down. Sometimes better than me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to do more. When he didn't think she was getting enough playing time on her basketball team, she moved the family to a different school district. What? So get her in a different school. He's a contractor. He built a 10 bedroom house with an indoor basketball court and hired her a private coach. You just play here. Yeah, I don't know what that's crazy. So she ends up getting a partial athletic scholarship to go to Mary Washington College, which is now University of Mary Washington. This is in Fredericksburg, Virginia. And she was there. She was an honor student. And she became one of the in the women's division, one of the nation's best three point shooters. Dang. Yeah. She graduated, come loud, come loud. Yeah. With a bachelor's degree in history and political science. Sure. 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Oh, not service, the service. Yeah. Way different service to the service. No, no, no, wait in tables. Hold on the gun. So he took his entrance exams for the Navy or for the Marines, I guess. His scores were really high. So he basically ended up going into the Navy instead to go to seal training because his scores were so high. Oh, wow. So yeah, in 1996, he did the basic underwater demolition training. Six. Seals do in California out of 160 candidates who started only 18 graduated. And BJ was one of those guys. BJ's one of 18. The beager is going to be a seal here. They said other seals said his work ethic was crazy. He's just drinking energy shakes and fucking doing that. They said that's what they were all doing trying to keep up with the rigorous schedule. They said he'd stay up drinking until 3 a.m. get two hours of rest and then be the best guy on a 10 mile run. God damn. He's like Rick Flair, this fucking guy. He has except his dick in his pants. Except punishment self-induced. He received a special award for being the top performer of his class. Then he completed 25 weeks of advanced medic training, including time working as an EMT in New York City and a month in the emergency room. So he's seen some gross shit too. Now a guy, a man who served with BJ, that guy's wife described BJ as meek around women though. He wouldn't think this guy would be meek, but he is. She said he was very shy around girls, not your typical ladies man. He wasn't violent, never ever violent. The craziest thing I ever knew about him was maybe driving fast. So he meets Erica in a bar in Fredericksburg and they're just friends for a while. He's in the Navy. So he's not really concentrating on having a girlfriend right now. Then a few months later they ran into each other at a party now. Hey, I know you. Yeah, blah, blah, blah. They talked and his friend's wife said, I've never seen him like that for a girl. He was goofy over her. Oh, I don't think goofy even describes it because no, I mean, if you said, give me a word for what this is what I'm about to describe. It wouldn't be goofy. It'd be insane. Stupid would come to mind. Il conceived several. I could keep going. I only had to my fucking seat already James. They start dating and within three weeks they fly to Vegas and get married idiot three. Yeah, I fucking want to add more on. Fucking more on. Oh, shit. Dipshits dumbass. Very charitable because he's about to give away all his shit. Creakness. We could go on and on and on. So they got married at the silver bell wedding chapel. Okay. Didn't tell either of their families. Oh my god. Yeah, they're going to tell you. Oh, fucking no. Yeah. What are you thinking? Don't do that. BJ called his parents afterwards to tell him he married a woman that they've never met before. Wow. Erick is father who obviously had all of her, you know, had a lot of her shit mapped out when it seems like here. Dreamed of walking his daughter down the aisle and no. In her scrapbook, Erica wrote, best decision I ever made. You are my sunshine. Oh my god. Don't tell me. He did. He did. My sunshine. I beach. Whenever you wait, I'd beige to anything. It's going to make it sound really stupid. Isn't that the guy from a righteous gemstones? Isn't that what they called him, beach? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that was because they're picking on him. That's the idea. He's a cock. Beach. So the old beager gets sent to Arkansas. The Navy sends him to Arkansas for training, which I don't know how the Navy would have any interest in Arkansas. There's no fucking water there. What are we doing? Mississippi over there is the Arkansas river big enough. It's the Mississippi's on Arkansas. Yeah. I don't know what they're doing in there. Erica lost it though. This is she can't not be around beige. So she was convinced he was cheating in Arkansas. Because he's worried. Yeah. Yeah. You have more teeth in the whole state. What are you doing? You're fine. Don't worry. When he went to Alaska for cold weather training, she tracked him down and showed up at the base. You are not allowed to do that at all. It was against. Why? It was against regulations for them to even tell their spouses where they were. Never mind. Have them show up there. So he's breaking many rules. Erica, you're going to get me so fired. Oh my God. A BJ at center coded messages telling her exactly where he was. And they got caught. He got in trouble. Erica said I became deeply troubled and fearful of losing his love. I was so afraid he would leave me. By 2000, he is kicked out of the Navy. So if you get say bad conduct discharge here and out. Out. He for several things, absent without leave. A wall can't do that. It's ugly. My friend who says start stories with so I was a wall from the Navy, right? It's a telling guy from Philly. I know. Right. It's so a may wall from the Navy, right? And you know that story is going to go somewhere wild. It starts out with so I may wall from the Navy. That's not even the story. Yeah. That's just a stab. I'm already underground. So yeah. In subordination, poor performance, wearing unauthorized insignia, whatever that was. I know what he put on his, like a Mickey Mouse hat on him or something, but British pergay or something. He had his Navy enlisted classification and his five, three, two, six combatant swimmer, seal revoked. Oh, so then that's bad. So they moved to Pennsylvania, her hometown of Altoona. Altoona. Yeah. That's where they go. They open up a, like a, kind of like a, curio shop almost like a collectible shop, basically a scrapbook store. They called it with a bunch of shit called memory lane L I L A I N E because our middle name's a lane. Right. Lane and her father, of course, supported this. Yeah. Now, not only does her father do it, but she does a bunch of eBay collectible shit that she does. She, you know what her extensive memorabilia collection is? It's from one particular place. McDonald's hooters worse. At least McDonald's is an iconic brand. Who does it have other than the shorts on the top? Hooters is just a drunk guy in Florida that his Jimmy Buffett record was skipping and he had a second to think about something. He goes, what if chicks with tits serve me, serve me terrible food? I think I'd pay for that. And then the slave and beers on tap beers on tap plenty of them too. Wow. People just the ex memorabilia of a hooters is die cast, NASCAR's the outfit. That's it. That stupid. They had a hat, the tangerine hat that says hooters on it that they wear. That's like the braided rope on it. It looks like a cap, you know, like a sea rat. Yeah. So they're very, they people call it her like obsession with hooters, hooters memorabilia obsession. That'll come in, that'll come up later. Trust me. So they went on a two month trip to South America as newlyweds that was financed by the family. Of course, Eric, Eric, a later admitted that the whole point of going there, why they said they wanted to go to South America was she developed huge addictions to Xanix and value and in South America, she could buy as much of it as she wanted and smuggle it back into the country. So she could have a giant supply of Xanix and value. Oh boy. So BJ gets even fucking weirder. Yeah. Is if being named BJ is not weird enough. What's his obsession in South America? Well, in addition to the hooters memorabilia that she collects, he got a giant swastika on his chest. A giant, they called it Ednor in American history X fucking swastika on his chest. Enormous. Any size has to. It's crazy tattooed. No, he just drew it out of the sharp. Yeah. And you just said got it on his chest while I mean, what else do you do? Any fucking swastika is too big. First of all, any swastika tattooed on you crazy, crazy, a giant one on your chest. Yeah. That should be automatically we should be able to put you down for that. I feel like you can't have that. And great grandfather's had your fucking back of the head. Sorry. Unless it's life without and you're just trying to survive. That is not okay. If you're going to be in prison forever anyway, you're just trying to, you're trying to not forget bash it by the. You're just trying to suck wind until your body stops. Still no. Feel free. But if you're going to be in society, no, no. They both became obsessed with Hitler. Obviously. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. They kept exotic pets, including boa restri- boa constrictors, pythons and a cobra. Yeah. They had pythons named Bonnie and Clyde. Fitting. They had a cobra named Hitler fittingly. And another snake that they named HIV. So they're just assholes. These people are trash, James. I want to say they are. They go to hooters all the time. That's their hooters. Hitler and snakes. Oh, my. This is hooters Hitler and HIV, the three H's. The three H's. I think hooters Hitler and HIV should definitely be the name of this episode. I think it is. I think it is. So they would go there. She would try to like trade tank tops with the waitresses. Like I'll trade you. She tried to buy them off of like off the right off their tits. She's trying to buy. I'm going to need to take those out and cover them with my shirt. Yeah. They would drink like crazy. They're snort and mad pills. They'd use ecstasy and coke all the time too to supplement their volume and Xanix. They started burglarizing hooters restaurant. He's a locksmith. Remember? Right. So they started doing that. And all she wants is the, it's the merch cabinet. Yeah. A journalist named N William Phelps who wrote cruel death about this case said I always described those two as hypergolic hypergolic rocket fuel by themselves. There no problem. But when you put them together, they explode. Like they were both just looking for this other person to the other part of the primer that there's two. Hardens it. You know what I mean? The activator J B weld. The B. D weld the B J. Well, you mean not the J B. It's the J B. It's the B J. Well, then Eric, she started becoming abusive toward Erica. She later said she told people that he was mentally and physically abusive, a racist, obviously clear. I'm clearly and a control freak. So in early May of 2002, B. J asked Erica if he could kill her family. And she said, no, I can't have that. At one point, Erica became pregnant and B. J. This is what Erica said, according to her, she told people that he said, quote, get an abortion or I'm going to dig it out of you. Ew. She's she had an abortion. Dig it. Dig it. Go in there with a spoon. Late 2001, they get burned in a coped deal. Oh, they go to buy a bunch of code, turns out to be Ajax. So B J is super mad. He starts planning. He starts planning to get a woman who sold him the coke. He starts planning to kill this woman and dissolve her body in acid. Right. He purchased acid from a hardware store and tested it on a rat. And by the next day, it was almost completely dissolved. So he's like, this is going to work. It'll work. Yeah. I know a mob guy who talked about that. People doing that with skulls and it works. That getting burned in a coke deal, James, what finding out that that's Ajax is getting burned. Indeed. That's a terrible way to find out. So we don't know any other way about that. We don't know how that worked out. Saturday, May 25, 2002, though, they arrived in Ocean City, which was when our other guys were there. To Genie and Josh, they check in with luxury penthouse at the rainbow condominiums owned by a friend of Erica's dad. Erica snorts some pills, drink some beer. They go out to eat. Guess where, Jimmy? Hooters. They got a hooters here. I'm going. Y'all got a hooters. Y'all got a hooters. She tried to trade tank tops with the waitresses. No, no takers. 9 p.m. They board a city bus to go to secrets. And that's when they meet Josh and Genie. They said, hey, we'll buy your drinks when we get there. They all go to secrets together. I don't think Josh and Genie know who they're hanging out with. I don't think so either. Hey, open your shirt for a sec. Just checking the state of the giant plastic. If we went down to the beach first, we'd know exactly who you are. You know everything. So 9.30 p.m. to 2 a.m. They party. They drink. Erica's ducking out in the parking lot to snort more Xanix. BJ vomits at the bar. He hasn't even get thrown out for that. A bouncer then catches BJ trying to pick the lock on the ATM and tells them to get the fuck out. Erica threatens to kill the bouncer. Of course, obviously 2 a.m. That's what Hooters used to be, you guys. You got hooters. You could throw up on the floor. Oh, that's that secrets. That's secrets. Oh, yeah, they went to that's that's drinking secrets. They were already aided hooters. No, all right. They're already he threw up from the hooters. That's not the booze. That's the hooters. So at 2 a.m. They return. I don't know why Josh and Genie would still want to hang out with these people who had to leave the club because they got kicked out. That's crazy. They they have returned to Josh and Genie's a part our condo to grab some weed. Josh and Genie brought some weed with him. I knew I like these people. Yeah. There's four wine glasses out later. So we know they all had some wine. Then they walk two blocks over to the cipher its penthouse by 2 30. They're arriving at the penthouse. They keep drinking their drink in their smoke and weed. Josh and Genie change into bathing suits for the hot tub. Okay. So everything seems to be going swell here. Good times. 301 Erica says her purse is missing. My purse is missing. Which any nightmare girl who's on a lot of drugs, their purse is always missing. Their phone's missing. Their purse is always around 2 3 a.m. When they're on drugs and drunk, that's what I mean. Their person. And I'm not saying that to be sexist. If it was a guy, if they had a person, be missing. Trust me. There's something else. It's usually. Uh, well, I would move my wallet. Uh, if it's not in your back pocket, bro, with then, I don't know what to tell you. So she makes, she calls 911 at 3 a.m. 301. What? And she's her voice is slurred. Uh, and she says, uh, there are people in the house who I don't know. And my purse is suddenly missing. And I'm afraid I'm going to have a robbery here. Um, I'm up in an upstairs, been in a bedroom and they don't know where I am. Okay. So 911 says, okay. And she says, uh, there are people in my apartment. Oh, and the dispatcher says, ma'am, did you want the police? Yeah. And she says, yes, I did. But I think there's a third person on the line right now. So, uh, oh boy, they give her another number and then she hangs up. No address was ever given. No police ever responded to this. She never called back. Just sounded like a drunk lady who lost her purse. Essentially called. Um, they probably get that a lot in a resort town. Uh, this is not the lost and found. Yeah. That is until a couple days later when Josh and Genie, no one hears from them. What? So they're reported missing. And people they go and can find them. Like literally the ocean city, Maryland police start printing up flyers to look like I want a lost person here lost people. Then let's fast forward almost a week May 31st, 2002. Okay. This is just after midnight. A silent alarm is tripped at the hooters on 123rd street in ocean city. This is insanity. Nice. Uh, it's not there anymore though. Right? It's closed. Maybe not. Who knows? I think they all closed, right? Did they know? I think they're still open. They claim bankruptcy, but they're now. Oh, they're restri- You can't, you can't keep hooters down. Genie, what are you talking about? I'm going away. I probably who knows? It's crazy that business model didn't have one jeopardy. Weird. Hey, why don't you feel like you're Florida trash all the time? Come in with hooters. Why don't you have a jack to file one? Well, yeah, there's strip clubs everywhere. Yeah, but those are very successful. These are not asking to be, you know, I mean, hooters walks a strange line where they're like, hey, look, we got chicks and shorts shorts with the big racks hanging out, but it's a family place. Bring the kids. How dare you. Oh, so weird. Yeah, don't look at them like that, but bring your kids to weird as business model. These are nice women. The nice girls. So the officers who respond pull up and find these two fucking idiots, Erica and the beager, loading merchandise into a Jeep Cherokee. Oh my God. T-shirt sweatshirts, hacks, hats, racks of cigarettes. They're putting in there. Wow. BJ, when they pull up, he realizes, fuck, we can't run. There's there right here at the cop. So he puts his hands up and he goes, can we just put the stuff back? No, you can't. Yeah, he's a, come on. All right, we won't take it. Okay, fine. Never mind. If we don't take it, then it's not illegal, right? Yeah, I'll fix the lock. I just broke. Don't worry about it. Holy shit. So they search BJ. They find a nine millimeter handgun tucked in his pants, fully loaded one in the chamber. Wow. Oh yeah, in the chamber ready to go. A shoulder holster that was empty because it's in his pants. He says, this is how dummy is. He's got a holster on him and he puts the gun in his pants. I don't know. I don't ask. We'll put this next to the most important part of my body, even though I have the exact thing that it should be safely contained in it. Designed to my person, put it next to my nuts, a hunting knife. They search Erica. She's got a 357 Smith and lesson revolver tucked in the back of her jeans. That's a hand cannon. Shit. A buck knife clip to the front of her pants. What are these people? Fucking crocodile, Dundee and the outback. What's happening? What is this inside the Jeep? They find another 40, a loaded 45 caliber handgun in the center console. Ski masks zip ties for handcuffs gloves, tape lock picking supplies. Erica starts hyperventilating and tells the officer she's having a panic attack and needs her zannix and paxle from her purse. Which you shouldn't be drinking and doing coke and all that. I'll be doing both of those at the same time. Yeah, if you're doing the serotonin uptake rehab, whatever the fuck it is, you shouldn't be doing that. These Bonnie and Clyde are more savaged than Bonnie and Clyde. They had. They're crazy. Clyde had a pretty nasty gun, but I think she just carried a 22 or something. Oh, no, these people are this is a hardcore. This is a three, five, fucking serial killer kit they have here. The officer said, okay, and went to go get her medication out of her purse. Yeah. Now, I don't know if that is just to be able to search her purse without anything. So either way, he opens the pouch and starts digging and he finds four spent three 57 shell casings. Ground. One live round, two Virginia drivers licenses that don't belong to Eric or BJ. Uh oh. They do belong to Joshua Ford and Martha Crutchley though. Old Jeannie. Um, a sergeant arrived on the scene and he had just seen the missing persons flyer for these people that he's looking at their driver's license right now. So the detective said the hair stands up in the back of your neck. We knew we had a bad situation. Yeah. All of this from there's a disturbance at the hooters. That's unexpected. That's silent alarm. Wow. Could this be the wind rattling the door? Nope. It's the gift. Shit. It's these also in the purse, uh, Josh and Jeannie social security cards, a ballet total fitness membership card with Josh's photo and a blood stained ring. This is not good. So they go back to the rainbow condominiums where the couple where, you know, they were staying here, uh, these two idiots, Eric and the beager. And they, that the couples missing IDs means they can go there without a warrant and search for them. They say they might have missing people. Right. So they do. And they were hoping they'd be like tied up in the back with the zip ties or something. But the one cop said going down the hallway, we didn't know if we were going to find our missing persons or whether we were going to find more suspects. They get in there. Everything looks clean. Nothing looks clean. Um, but then they do kind of a more just look around. There's no people. Now they're like, okay, let's look in more detail. And they see something on the coffee table, which is too partially flattened bullets. Uh, dollar bills or money of some kind rolled up to snort with white powder and a stack of photographs. Right on top of the photographs is Josh and Genie crutchly smile and pictures that were taken. The cops said it nearly knocked us over. We expected to find crucial evidence. We never expected crucial evidence like that to just be sitting out. At that point, it was like, well, I think we know what happened here. I think we got this lock down pretty much. So they bring in crime scene technicians. They find that there are brand. There's a brand new door on the bathroom brand new. Oh, fresh paint on the walls, cleaning supplies all over the floor. Bloodstained still found on the countertop. Under side of the counter floor, the floor under the vanity, the back of the vanity drawer under the mirror, the base board, all the places that murderers don't think to clean all the places that are. Fucking. And you got to pry the base board. Yeah, you've got you've got so much work to do when a murder is hard work. Asshole, if you're not you assault murder or assault, if you're going to be lazy, this isn't a gig for you. That's why Dexter lined the whole fucking room. Man, see how much he put into that. That's what you got to do. A lot of work. Pathetic. Or you rebuild. Yeah, under the base. But yeah, under the hot tub faucet, under the hot tub step on a sailboat candle holder on the window and in the shower. So much blood. A dried line of blood between the tile and the vanity kick, a toe kick, a piece of human scalp with dark hair still attached found in the sink drain. Oh my God. More hair tissue and coagulated blood in the dryer lint trap, a patched hole in the wall that went completely through to the bedroom. Josh's palm print on the window. We think we're trying to escape. All of these samples match the DNA of either Josh or Jeannie, by the way. Oh boy. It's a dry or lint trap. That's the first time I've ever heard that. They washed their clothes, hair is still on them. The detective said the crazy thing is we have what represents one loading of a gun and we have all the empty casings and one round left over and we have all the bullets. It's just crazy. You never get that in a murder case. You never get everything. This is like, this is a dream. They just lined it up. This is like an exercise in like a class for detectives. You found all the evidence. Look at you. James, this is how important anti-depressants and Xanax are. You can go in my person, find everything you need to convict me. Just get me my fucking dough. Get me my shit. Please, I need it now. The eviction's crazy. It's wild. So BJ immediately asks for a lawyer. Let's say a fucking word. All right. Erica says a lot of words. Yeah. Yeah. She's a mess and she gives confessions, contradictory statements. It's wild. She talked to everybody, every cop who would listen to her. Really? Some of them didn't line up. One of the detectives said it was really pulling teeth with this girl. She didn't give you anything until she thought she thought you had something you already, you already knew. Oh, she thought you already knew it. She'd tell you so they had to bullshit her basically. First she said she didn't know the missing couple at all. Then they said, well, we have the IDs and she said, well, maybe BJ found them somewhere. But after hours of interrogation, she admitted Josh and Genie went to the penthouse. When, when they asked her about the probability of them being alive right now, she said 50, 50. Why would she even say that? Eventually she agreed to take them to the dumpsters where the bodies had been disposed of. Eventually she admits their dead and they killed them. This is in Delaware. Oh, they drove states away. On the bride to Delaware, she is acting wild. The detectives said Erica was sitting in the car right next to me and she didn't seem concerned at all about this double homicide. She was more concerned about how I felt about her. Did I think she was pretty? Did I think she was a good person? She had no remorse for these victims whatsoever. She's like Kelly Cochrane. That's exactly what she reminds me of. If you guys look up Kelly Cochrane shit on YouTube, she's flirting with these cops. She's multiple murder charges all that she's trying to get the cops to want a fucker. It's weird. Do you think I'm pretty? Do you think how do you feel about me? That's what I like to know. I just, I do like my hair. I like that. Am I a good person or no? Oh, okay. So just before they arrived, they, that's when they get a call saying there's so much murder scene shit in this penthouse. So that's, she's guilty as shit. So he said the, the cops said he knew she was lying. He starts yelling at her and then she broke down and says exactly what happened. She says about, she said, this is where we threw them at the dumpsters. Quote, we cut the heads off the arms and the legs 50, 50, 50, 50. So the cops said that was a double take. It was like, what did you just tell me? You just remember these people, the dumpsters had already been emptied, but they police track the contents through to a landfill in Delaware. Yeah. And we'll talk about that. Here's the story. Okay. They, BJ and Erica started accusing Josh and Genie of stealing Erica's purse. They seem like purse thieves those two. BJ grabbed his gun, which is Erica's 357 revolver, forced them to strip naked at gun point, demanding to know where the purse is. Probably not down their pants. I wouldn't think so. Josh and Genie managed to break away and barricade themselves in the master bathroom. Josh tried to open the window, hoping they could climb onto the balcony and get somebody's attention, but it wouldn't budge. So that's why the pamphorant was found on the glass. It was him trying to open it. Erica said she ran out onto the balcony where she could see through the bedroom, bathroom window and she watched Josh and Genie cowering inside. BJ asked her, what do you want me to do? And Erica said her response was this took a while to come out, but she finally said what happened? She said she told him, quote, just fucking do it. And she clarified kill us. Kill us. She's what she meant. So BJ fired through the bathroom door. The first shot hit Josh in the shoulder. Then BJ kicked the door in with a lot of force. The door knob dented the metal corner, beat on the dry wall by over an inch. So he kicked it the fucking now. Josh has also been in the army. He's not a pussy or anything here. He told BJ that what you, why would you do this to a fellow veteran? Right. He tried to play that. And BJ said, see you later, motherfucker and shot him in the head. Erica said Joshua didn't die immediately. He was gurgling and there was blood coming out of his mouth. Genie was curled up in a fetal position on the bathroom floor and a hiding behind Josh's body essentially. So BJ fired the gun at her. He missed the first time. I wonder why he got kicked out of the seals. That's why he got kicked out. Jesus. The bullet went through the wall and into the bedroom. That's the one he patched over and repainted. Then he got closer, put the gun to her shoulder and fired down through her body, which went through her lock. Oh my God, with a 357. Yep. But that is not how she died. Erica told Erica said BJ told her to go outside and check if the stolen items, the her purse had been thrown off the balcony. When she came back up, BJ told her to use the knife to make sure Genie was dead. So Erica stabbed Genie twice in the side. Um, and then BJ told Erica her person, all of her stolen shit is actually under the bed and he put them there. What the fuck? This is a setup that he did. He's just this to be able to kill people. Yeah. And get her on board with it. So if you know your partner's so unstable that she will want blood because her purse is missing, I guess that would work. I don't know if I buy this, but who knows? But now they're like, what do we do? There's two dead people here. What the fuck? It's Memorial Day weekend. Not like we can take her out the front and a carpet or anything. There's a hundred or three hundred thousand people here. So can't do that. So BJ said, okay, we got a plan around 4 a.m. Erica said she went to the Dollar Tree and brought, bought black garbage bags, which is a red flag of media at 4 a.m. BJ was going to work in the bathroom when she got back. He used knives and a hacksaw severed the heads, arms and legs from both bodies. Wrap the pieces and trash bags, plastic containers and military kit bags. At some point, BJ called her into the bathroom. She said he was completely naked. In one hand, he had Josh's head and he had genies in the other hand. Oh my word. She said he had a full erection. What? Full erection two heads. And he said to her, quote, take a picture. I want to send it to my buddies. What buddies would want to see your dick and two heads? I cannot believe this. Jimmy, if do you want to see either of those things? Neither. She then claimed Erica said she wouldn't do it. She then claimed that BJ, oh my god, raped genies, headless corpse. Okay. And asked her to cook one of Josh's legs. Oh my god. Which she said she would. So they loaded the body parts into the Jeep Cherokee and drove 30 miles to Delaware. Where they deposited the remains in a dumpster behind a food line grocery store. Nice. They said it won't sweep its smells. They have old food. It won't matter. It'll just assume. Went home and went to sleep. Next day, they got cleaning supplies. Did all of that. BJ scrubbed all the surfaces in the bathroom. Not all of them very well. Patched the bullet hole in the wall and repainted. Lucky he's handy. This would be a totally different cleanup. The bathroom door had been destroyed. It's got a bullet hole in it and it's kicked in. So they went to Home Depot and bought a replacement. He's got to buy a tape measure and everything. You got to know how big that is. Yeah, you're gonna make it plum. It's not. This is crazy. So a Home Depot employee later said that Erica was carrying a triangular piece of wood, which was a chunk of the destroyed door. And the employee said, they said, did she say anything to you about this triangular shaped piece of wood? And she said, do you believe that's all that's left of my door? And the employee said that must have been some party. And she laughed and said, I guess you could call it that. Oh boy. So then they go back to partying after this. Really? Photos of everything. Everything. Pictures of eating pizza and crabs, playing miniature golf. Yeah. Tanning with a swastika on your chest. How did he hear that? How did no one come up and just, if I see a guy with a giant swastika, that doe laying with his eyes closed, he's going to awake to his fucking nose being driven into his fucking skull. I'm sorry. Fuck you. This guy's a fucking asshole. He's going to wake up terribly Tuesday, May 28th. Erica gets a new tattoo of a cobra on her left side, exactly where she stabbed Jeannie. Were they out of swastikas? I think they were all either like, all right. Crosses are all out this week. We don't have any. We are, that too, are quoted today. In multiple photos, Erica is wearing something on her neck and it's Josh Ford's ring. I don't know. Still caked in blood. What is she doing? Wednesday, May 29th, they were back at a bar. They met a man named Todd Wright and eventually convinced him to call a female friend to join them. This woman, Melissa Sealing, agreed to have one drink, but she was talking to back to going to the penthouse that they had to quote, help BJ get Erica upstairs in her drunken state. When they got inside, they said, Erica's demeanor changed. She sobered up instantly and began showing Melissa her jewelry. Hey, look what I got. Then Erica couldn't find her purse. She accused Todd of Melissa of stealing it. BJ pulled out a gun and became very, very angry. Melissa said he said if we ripped him off like the other people who were here, he'd do the same thing to us that he did to them, referring to the hole in the door. The bullet hole. And she noticed that the bathroom door was off its hinges and had a hole in it. So apparently Melissa had searched the entire couch earlier. The purse wasn't there, but after BJ moved to cushion, he quote, found it. So they believed Erica had been moving it around to set it up. Then this is how to, how to Todd a Melissa get out of this situation. Yeah. You know what they said? They said we need to go fuck somewhere. We have to get out of here. We got to go fuck. I'm so horny. Too horny to die. That's what they are. So the detective said that's what really put all the dominoes in one line. They took what worked in the murder of Genie and Josh and applied that to Melissa selling because they got away with it and they were going to do it again. I believe if they weren't stopped, there were definitely more to come. Oh, these natural born killers. Absolutely unbelievable. June 3rd, 2002, a landfill in Delaware. Mid-90s, by the way. How does fuck? Outside 730 AM. The detective said it's possible to get a conviction without a body. No body. No. Right. You know that. But it's always a stronger case if you do. Right. And until you have a body, the victim's family always holds out hope that someday that person is going to come back. So they were like, this is going to be a wall. It's a fucking landfill. It's going to be a long day. They said the dig had barely begun when a bulldozer finds a human leg. Oh, shit. It's Genie's leg. Hours later, they find Josh's torso and both arms. That's all they ever found. Oh, God. So these poor people, their families, all they ever got back of Genie was a leg. And a torso and arms. And the rest of them is sitting there with coffee grounds and fucking diapers. That's fucked up. It's a horrible. Then they find a guy who was a Navy SEAL with beach. And he said that this was they had a conversation, a hypothetical one about the best way to dispose of a body. Yeah. And this guy said, BJ said he would put down plastic, chop off the limbs and head with a knife and place the body parts in separate bags. That's what he told me. Yeah. So they, the first step. Yeah, they offer Erica a deal. If she cooperated and testifies against BJ and passes a polygraph confirming her version of events, they wouldn't prosecute her for murder. Her turnie said, God damn it, take that Jesus Christ. She shows up for the polygraph before the machine is hooked up. She does a pre-interview or pre-test interview with secret service agents who are there for some reason. Maybe social security cards got taken. It might be like currency. That might be good. They said apparently Erica believed whatever she said in the pre-polygraph interview couldn't be used against her. But the deal only protected her statements made during the polygraph and not before. So she told the truth. This is when she finally said that she told BJ just fucking do it. And she admitted that she was the one who told him to kill him. She also revealed that she was standing right behind BJ when he shot Josh in the head. She stabbed Genie with the knife, helped wrap and dispose of the body parts. And BJ had told her, boy, you really did a number on her throat. She never took the polygraph because the deal was off now. They're like, no, no, no. We thought you were the secondary. You were just as involved. Never mind. Never prosecuting you. The fullest extent. 13 count indictments, including two counts each of first degree murder. By the way, they're also going to be charged with another robbery because they're suspected of stealing hats and t-shirts from a hooters in Spotsylvania, Maryland on May 11th. Says can help yourself. So BJ's trial comes up. I mean, what the fuck are you going to do? Their strategy is Erica's nuts and she did everything and I had nothing to do with it. Yeah. Good luck. They have all of this physical evidence. All of this, I mean, they're both just knee deep in everything. You could imagine. They have his old friend saying that he told me he would chop shit up and do all of that. They have Melissa Selling talking about the missing purse game. I'll do to you what I did to the others and show in the bullet hole in the wall. Yeah. You know, it's not good. BJ takes the stand. What does he have to say? He said he'd been asleep in the car when the killings happened and he only just hoped to help the dismember and dispose of the bodies to protect his wife. My Erica is out of her fucking mind. Yeah. That's now how did Erica, who's petite, how do you fucking kick the door in so it went through the other wall? 10 hours of deliberation. Seven man, seven woman, five man, Jerry. They find him guilty of second degree murder on Genie and first degree assault in the Josh Ford murder. They find him not guilty of all charges except accessory after the fact. So she only gets one murder because she was standing behind him. He that's BJ. Shut the fuck up. That's BJ sentencing later. Now, Erica says that they fucked her over the secret service and all that, but they dismiss everything because it was all in writing. She had a lawyer. She shouldn't have known better, basically. What she's really concerned is getting her shit back. What? Yeah, she says she wants her belongings back that were confiscated after her arrest, including dozens of Hooters restaurant tank tops. Not kidding. Diamond jewelry. She wants, what is it? Hooters duffel bag through 30 Hooters tank tops, quote, from my collection. And coach bags a scrap book of more than 20 items of jewelry, including a half-carat diamond solitary engagement ring, a gold wedding band, white gold tennis bracelet, white gold antique diamond ring and a tag watch. Yeah. They were like, if we don't need it for appeals or whatever. In her trial, it's bad. I mean, she's got a pen pal that she's been writing that has all of her statements on it too. I mean, she is just pretty fucked here. This is not wonderful. They say that, you know, she lowered them. She said, Erica, Erica Cifer, it is on trial. In this case, it no one else. In other words, if she tries to blame it on beager, no. They also emphasize the Maryland law of aiding and abetting. If someone assists a crime to the point of helping another succeed, there is guilty as the ones themselves. Murder weapon belong to her. Fingerprints are on the outside of the bathroom window. She was watching them. Victims IDs were in her purse. She wore a blood stain ring around her neck. Who days? She got a cobra tattoo in the same spot. She stabbed Jeannie. Vacation photo show were smiling, eating crabs. Right. And her her her her quote, just fucking do it. Not great, man. No, they fight about the pictures. They fight about all that stuff. The defense strategy, PJs crazy and he did it. All right. Four hours of deliberation from the German on the Genie, on the Josh Ford killing, they find her guilty of first degree murder. Oh boy. Crutchly murder, they find her Genie's murder, they find her guilty of second degree murder. Also theft, weapons charges and burglary related to hooters. She's getting hammered. Yep, she was acquitted of using a handgun to kill Joshua Ford. The jury of believes in the aiding and abetting thing. Wow, Erica's mother said, I didn't see the evidence that way, but I guess they did. What are you talking about? She said, what the fuck? Okay, BJ sentencing. Judge Paul Weinstein comes out of retirement, specifically to sentence him and he says, hi, I'm Judge Weinstein. Let's let's pop that swastika. Let's talk about the chest fees. He said, it's one of the few instances in 20 years when I disagree with the jury's verdict. This is on BJ. This was nothing more than thrilled killing for you and your wife. You're a butcher. You cut these people up for no good reason and told BJ, if not for master lawyer, lawyer, you'd be facing a life sentence. You crazy Nazi asshole. Yeah. They fuck off 38 years in prison. That's not near enough. The judge also said, put a note in the file asking to be notified when he comes up for a parole, so he could personally oppose it. He hates this fucking guy. Erica here, the judge says that she exercised control in the relationship, convincing him not to eat the victims and shit like that. So he says, you Zanick sniffing asshole may fuck off life plus 20 years. That's pretty good. The Josh's ring gets returned to the family, by the way. Now on appeals, they both appeal a bunch. Their appeals are all exhausted. They're all fucked out. 2010 BJ files for divorce from prison. Why? Why? These crazy kids can't make it. What chance to the rest of us up? What's the problem? 2017 BJ can have a parole hearing, but he chooses not to have it. Smart. And so it's postponed for five years. April 2022, he has an hour, 40 minute hearing, and four representatives of the victims attended and said, go fuck yourself, parole denied. His mandatory release date, if he's not paroled, is 2030. This guy will be on the street within four years. Lee shit. That's terrifying considering he's going to come looking for us. Boss. I don't know. 2024. In my defense, I think that she made you trash. Be it. Yeah. Well, they made each other trash, I think. No, you're tapped to see. Fuck you, man. Yes. Erica was also denied parole in 2024. The Worcester County States attorney later said, I'm not aware of any case in the history of Worcester County as heinous as this before and certainly not since. It was just a horrible, horrible case, and it lives with many of us still. The lead detective said, we know the rest of the parts were there. It was just we didn't have the resources to continue to dig and dig and dig. It haunts us that we worked for years, but never found the heads. And we never had definite answer of how she was killed. It was the one thing we could never figure out. They didn't have scientific evidence out of it. So there you go, everybody. That is Ocean City, Maryland. Very quickly, that flicks on the 26th Monday. It'll be the only time it comes out on Monday. Celebrates. Good stuff. Shout out and give me murder dot com. 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