Summary
The Toast hosts discuss celebrity mom group drama involving Ashley Tisdale leaving a toxic friend group with Hilary Duff and Mandy Moore, analyze TikTok influencer conflicts, cover Tom Brady and Alex Harrell's New Year's Eve interaction, critique Amanda Seyfried's online behavior, and explore 2026 fashion trends including the 'year of the crack' while providing advice to listeners about friendship dynamics and relationship ethics.
Insights
- Large friend groups naturally splinter; when someone is excluded by everyone, it signals a personality mismatch rather than conspiracy, and public complaints about exclusion can damage reputation further
- Social media etiquette matters: tagging people who provided free tickets/opportunities in posts is basic gratitude and acknowledgment, and omitting them signals intentional exclusion
- Age and life stage change friendship dynamics—30-year-old women with full lives don't pursue friendships out of obligation like teenagers do; compatibility becomes paramount
- Anonymous online personas (like 'Minji') enable celebrities to troll and behave differently than their public selves, creating accountability gaps
- Parasocial relationships drive unrealistic expectations: influencers don't owe strangers advice, mentorship, or friendship simply because they occupy the same industry space
Trends
Celebrity mom groups as lifestyle content: organized, curated, matching outfits, and documented for press—creating aspirational but exclusive social hierarchiesTikTok drama driven by misinterpretation and projection: viewers assign malice to neutral moments (eye contact, tone) without evidenceInfluencer course-selling backlash: $2K-$6K courses on social media success from creators face ethical criticism, especially when taught by former adult content creatorsOnlyFans creators pivoting to legitimate business (courses, products) gaining respect but facing skepticism from peers2026 fashion trend: low-rise, crack-showing silhouettes gaining runway prominence (Vogue-endorsed), though audience reception remains dividedPodcast streaming consolidation: Spotify dominance over Apple Podcasts; Apple charts becoming less relevant as industry metricCelebrity relationship age gaps (48-year-old with 25-year-old) facing public scrutiny; clarifications needed to manage opticsChronically online culture raising the bar for what constitutes 'spicy' or controversial takes; mild opinions presented as edgy
Topics
Toxic friend group dynamics and when to leave social circlesCelebrity mom groups and exclusive friendship hierarchiesTikTok influencer drama and parasocial relationship expectationsTom Brady and Alex Harrell dating rumors and age gap discourseAmanda Seyfried online behavior and anonymous trolling personasOnlyFans creators pivoting to course-selling and business venturesFashion trends: low-rise clothing and exposed crack silhouettesPodcast streaming platform dominance (Spotify vs. Apple)Marital infidelity and closeted sexuality in relationshipsSocial media etiquette and tagging/crediting in postsBoys and girls friendship dynamics and romantic potentialGossip Girl character legacy and actor distance from iconic rolesHigh School Musical cultural impact and Ashley Tisdale's careerCritics Choice Awards and celebrity red carpet interactionsPet insurance and veterinary cost management
Companies
Spotify
Discussed as dominant podcast streaming platform, replacing Apple as primary listening destination for audiences
Apple Podcasts
Analyzed as declining platform for podcast discovery; hosts noted they're no longer linking to Apple, only Spotify
The Container Store
Sponsor offering organizing solutions; hosts praised acrylic organizers and woven baskets for home organization
Quit with Jones
Nicotine replacement pouches with app support; host shared personal experience quitting vaping with product
Boland Branch
Organic cotton sheet company; hosts discussed signature hem sheet collection and temperature-regulating properties
Honey Love
Shapewear and intimate apparel brand; hosts highlighted crossover bra and control top underwear products
Caraway
Non-toxic cookware brand; hosts discussed ceramic cookware sets and aesthetic color options like sage green
ASPCA Pet Health Insurance
Pet insurance provider offering customizable plans; host shared personal experience with pet cancer diagnosis
People
Ashley Tisdale
Left celebrity mom group with Hilary Duff and Mandy Moore; wrote blog posts about toxic friendship dynamics
Hilary Duff
Leader of celebrity mom group; hosted music classes; hosts speculate she runs the exclusive social circle
Mandy Moore
Member of celebrity mom group; hosts describe her as more mature and removed from group drama
Meghan Trainor
Member of celebrity mom group; participates in gymnastics and activities with other celebrity moms
Tom Brady
Photographed flirting with Alex Harrell at New Year's Eve party in St. Barts; TMZ clarified no hookup occurred
Alex Harrell
Photographed with Tom Brady at New Year's Eve party; hosts discuss age gap and dating expectations
Gisele Bündchen
Tom Brady's ex-wife; recently married and had baby, contrasting with Brady's dating younger women
Amanda Seyfried
Criticized for online behavior; uses anonymous username 'Minji' to troll; hosts find her insufferable
Ariana Grande
Fangirled over Layton Meester at Critics Choice Awards; moment went viral on social media
Layton Meester
Gossip Girl star; responded to Ariana Grande's fan moment; hosts debate if response was mean-spirited
Camilla
Quit OnlyFans to sell $2K-$6K social media courses; faced backlash from other creators
Zac Efron
High School Musical star; hosts discussed his performance and chemistry with Zendaya in film
Zendaya
High School Musical co-star; hosts critique her romantic storyline with Zac Efron's character
Hugh Jackman
The Greatest Showman star; hosts discussed his character's employees storming opera party scene
Michelle Williams
The Greatest Showman cast member; hosts question her casting choice in the film
Haley Bieber
Referenced for low-rise fashion trend; wears thong-forward styling on red carpet
Zoe Kravitz
Wore low-back dress showing exposed skin at Vanity Fair Oscar party; example of crack trend
Quotes
"If a whole group drops you, like you're the problem, the group is not the problem."
Host (Kelsey)•Ashley Tisdale discussion
"We don't like you. We didn't want to invite you. It's not an easy way to say to someone."
Host (Jackson-Claude)•Friend group exclusion discussion
"I'm so chronically online that my bar for like what's considered a crazy take is in hell."
Host•Opening segment
"If you enter into a marriage with someone knowing that you are gay, I feel like at some point like I want to hold you responsible. Like that's sort of like an evil thing to do."
Host (Kelsey)•Dear Toasters advice segment
"Crack is beautiful. Crack is actually whack. It is. And I won't be doing crack."
Host (Jackson-Claude)•Fashion trend discussion
Full Transcript
Good morning, girlies. It's the Toast. It's Jackson-Claude and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the Fast 5 Things You Need to Know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Tuesday. The first Tuesday toast of the year. I'm feeling particularly titillated because I'm sitting next to one with big tits and say, Jack, say you dirt. Oh wow. I just want to keep the alliteration going. Excerated. Listen, we may be moms but we're still, we say fuck. I still got. I like to cuss. Yeah, cuss a little. Hey, Koji. People who say cuss don't cuss. Don't cuss. They're like darn. It's like a virtue signal, right? Like nobody says that. Darn, darn, darn. Hiya, Darn Jacks. Happy Tuesday. It's a big day. We've got to your toasters. We've got flow over stories that didn't make the cut yesterday but are still very good. That on any other day would have been Fast 5, not the first day of the year when we're talking about Alex around Tom Brady. The rest of you, Ashley Tisdale, you could take a seat. Right. Oh, okay. Thank you, Ashley Tisdale. I, the theme of today's episode, I have a couple of things. It's actually similar to the theme of yesterday's episode. Which is the theme of the year? Yes. And the theme, there's one in Dear Toasters too. Like I have a couple like uncomfortable hard truths to share and they'll be coming throughout the day. I just want to say to you, like they better be uncomfortable and they better be hard. I'm so chronically online that my bar for like what's considered a crazy take is in hell. It's literally, I cuss a little. Yeah, right. That's her. No, I actually think especially my one in, I feel like, no, now I'm like second guessing myself. But I do feel like I have some kind of crazy things to say today to three people. Okay. I think like the only thing worse than being like mild is projecting like you're being so hot and spicy. Yeah. And still being mild. We'll assess at the end of the episode, but my, the level of spiciness, my spice meter and Koji's corner. My three spicy takes are going to be directed towards. Okay. I actually just know Amanda Seyfried and one person in Dear Toasters. Okay. Yeah. Spoiler alert. We have Dear Toasters today. Yes, it is Tuesday and we're starting off the year on track. We've got Dear Toasters. I can't wait. I get like some DMs once in a while like, Oh my God, I wrote into Dear Toasters last night when I was drunk, like please don't read it. And then before like we've made up like they listen to toes and so I just feel like the submissions are going to be spicy. Yeah, because people are already regretting them. That does happen sometimes. You did do that. Like we wouldn't read it. Sometimes people will reply to their own email being like, please don't read that. And it's unfortunate because I was like about to choose it. But we respect the sanctity of Dear Toasters. Of course. We're not trying to give you advice that you don't want anymore. No, we would never put you on blast. It is a lot of people who want their submissions read. It is honorable. Like I find honor in the fact that people get drunk and they think of us. You know, because people that call their exes is like the person you love most in the world is who comes to mind and like we come to mind for people. That's beauty. I love that. And I do think it's a good policy. Like if you don't want your Dear Toasters read, like don't DM me. I might not see it. Follow up to your email. That's really good. Oh yeah, if you sent, do you know how many we got? Like if you sent a rogue message, no, follow up to the email. Beautiful. Safest way to stay safe out there. Yeah, but don't like be like writing into your toes, or even taking it back. Oh yeah, no, this is not like, this is not a runway for you to be like messy with your heart, okay? It's an emergency measure. Yeah. Messy with your heart, okay, Kelsey. Thank you, I didn't know if you were gonna get my reference, because it was a messy year for the heart. For your heart? So messy. Was it? Yeah. What'd you do? A roller coaster of emotions, honestly. That's true, but I wouldn't say messiness. I would, yeah, I would. But messiness connotes. You don't want me to be messy, and I am, I'm messy and spicy. You wish. I cuss a little. You wish. I am messy and spicy, you'll say. I actually can't wait. Yeah. That was your first Monday of the year. It was actually amazing. Yeah, I mean, I was like with you for most of it. Yeah. But we did split up and you went out to dinner. I did. I cooked salmon. That's why it was amazing, maybe, because I spent it with the ones that I love. But it was great. Gorgeous, gorgeous episode. So great to be back. I love when, I know everyone hates when we take time off, but it's always nice to come back, because there's so much fanfare. When you do a daily episode, like, you know, as the days go on, it's like not every episode is going to be like 100 million comments, 100 million views. So when we do come back, those are always like a really highly engaged episode. Feel the love. We feel the love. And so, sorry, maybe we need to take more breaks just so we can feel more love. Yeah, no, breaks are necessary. I'm glad that we took one. I'm glad that we're back. I am feeling the love. Back, you know, number two on Apple comedy. Yeah, we're charting. Feels good. Feels really good. We don't hit number two on comedy, like, often. All the time. We're always top 10. Of course. Yeah, episode would be top 10. Yeah, but, you know, I'll give a little buffer. Yeah, yeah. I'll give a little buffer. But number two, you guys means the world to us. Thank you so much. Big star fans. Especially when, like, everyone's sort of moving to Spotify to listen and watch. It's true that Apple charts, like, don't really mean anything. Like, yesterday, I always linked to the episode on my stories, and I usually always do Apple, and then I say, like, watch on YouTube. Now I only have to do Spotify, listen or watch. I have stopped linking to Apple, like, a year ago. Yeah. We are kind of the frontline reporters on the podcasting worth. People don't care about it as much as you do. Nobody wants to hear about it, but we'll never stop telling you. But over the years, we've slowly been reporting on, like, Spotify's dream of, like, being the number one place for podcasts. And I feel like we never, sort of, connote it, if that's the right word, that, like, they did it. Yeah, they are the place. They're at least 50% more. Like, that's, it's the place. Share. Yeah. So. That's your update from the podcast streaming. I was to say, like, we are still number two on Apple, given the fact that we're barely promoted. Yeah. It's just, like, one of our lesser platforms. So what did we do? Not much. We're wearing brown. My Monday, like, totally Monday yesterday. I'm starting off the year on the right foot. I love that. And now it's, like, 364 more of those. Right, right. I like, we kind of are matching today, just in terms of, like, spirit. Yeah, because we're both wearing. It's kind of a cream beige neutral. It's funny. I've noticed, I feel like every week, for as long as I live, like, my week follows the same template, where, like, I start my Monday on my best foot. Tuesday, I'm not going to, like, just go do a 180. Then by Wednesday, I'm like, why didn't I dress more casually yesterday? I saw a girl wearing, like, sweatshirt and high socks. I'm like, I'm wearing that tomorrow. Then by Thursday, I'm like, OK, pick it up. And then Friday, I'm, like, so excited that it's Friday, that I, again, want to put my best foot forward. And I feel like I literally, my, the tone of my outfits every single day of the week is the same for every week throughout Herstory. And I feel that because I podcast with you, like, I never know what to wear. Because, like, if it were me, it would be, like, merch and leggings all day, every day. But I do know sometimes you're going to wear a collared blouse with, like, a gold button. So, yeah, I have to wear, I have to wear my loft sweater. Like, I can't just be wearing my toast merch. So I feel like if I had a solo podcast, it would be really different. It would be much cozier. Mm-hmm. You're kind of holding me back. Well, just know, like, tomorrow, I'm going to get to the place in the week where I'm like, why am I dressing so nice? OK, great. We need to just have, like, a text that we send each other where it's, like, fancy or homeless. Like, what is the vibe today? OK. But those are too binary for me. Yeah, Jackie doesn't operate in extremes. I actually do. But not those two. Like, I would say, like, polish your casual. It's just a nicer way. Fancy or homeless. OK, that works for you. Yeah. I prefer the term casual. OK. Because it's like, we're still doing hair and we're still doing makeup. Yeah. I don't know that those in the streets are still doing hair and makeup. Are you familiar? There's so much actually TikTok drama I want to keep you updated on. So, like, the OnlyFans girls are fighting. I know. Which the most popular. But their titties out. The Bop House. No. So there's a girl who's like, quit OnlyFans. Aren't you impressed? I know the Bop House. Yeah, and you know what? I don't even know what that is. It's like the Hype House for OnlyFans creators. And so they get together to really maximize their audiences. And they're making tons of money. And do they, like, create porn in the house? Well, I imagine I've not, you know, assumed the content. You haven't subscribed. But I imagine whatever they do on OnlyFans, maybe it's not porn. Maybe it's more just a little titillating stuff. Yeah. They're doing it together. OK. So here I can. Rising ties are always all shot. I can help you. So there's a girl. She's like a huge OnlyFans girl. What's her name? I know her. You don't. Her name is Camilla. I do. Because she's with Alex Errol. Yeah. We reported on a story where she made a TikTok being like, I saw Alex Errol at Ultra and she didn't want to say hi to me. And I didn't know what to say. And it turns out like Alex Errol said hi took a picture. Alex Errol doesn't know this girl and like continued on hanging out with her friends. Like literally Alex Errol did nothing wrong. I've been seeing Camilla. She had a big Christmas party and she's quitting OnlyFans. She's quitting OnlyFans and her next sort of iteration is selling courses. And you know, it's never good when you get to a place where you're selling online courses. What is she teaching? How to win at social media. She has like millions and millions of followers. And while that inherently like isn't bad or wrong, the course costs around between $2,000 and $6,000. OK. Which is really crazy. Did she take her to the top of all she did? It's not a nude class. Like it's completely covered. And so now all the other OnlyFans girls are making videos being like, you shouldn't have to pay for a course. Like here's everything I know about social media for phrase. They're all like taking like the ethical high ground. And these are all like porn stars. Like taking the ethical high ground. And it's been real. And now people like not even from the OnlyFans community are getting involved. And she's just being like shaded. And this actually wasn't one of my spicy original takes. But I'm going to say it too. Obviously like this is insane that she's selling $6,000 courses. But I just want to say we need to just have a moment and like hold space here for personal accountability. Like anybody who paid $6,000 to take a course from like a former OnlyFans model on how to win at social media like. That's your money and you're welcome to do with it what you want. And if you're disgruntled about your purchase, like I do blame you. Yeah. Also like I would say her leaving the nude world. Should be applauded. She'd become a teacher. Right. I'm going to support her. Yeah. She had said like she was able to make so much money. I think she like paid off her parents mortgage this yada yada grandma bought her house. And you know she did what she needed to do. It wasn't like a long term thing. It was a means to an end. Yeah. And I think we should be applauding her. I think so too. We actually read a book at the Red Heads called Margot's Got Money Troubles and just spoiler alert. It's about a single month. Have you heard about this? You tell me about it. It's about this girl. I didn't know anything about the book when I started reading it. But basically she gets pregnant in college and starts in OnlyFans. And the whole book is about her like doing OnlyFans to avenge you know pay off certain things as a means to an end. She winds up you know creating an empire. Of course she does. Medium mogul. Yeah. No I think that sometimes it's just like a moment in time. And then some people don't know how to quit because all that money and they are making so much money. It's so addictive. How do you turn down like millions of dollars a month. Yeah. It's not like yeah it's abnormal. So she has my out roast respect and I think I'll subscribe for the course and solidarity. Let me know what you find. Then the other TikTok charm. I know you're going to love this. I actually meant to send it to you. You didn't send it to me. No I didn't because seriously I cannot continue to download and send. Like the storage on my phone like it's too much. I have to find this video like. I won't tell you. Earl meets New York City influencer. You know she's like I'm an influencer. She told her story and it was actually one of the crazier ones that I've seen. I really need to find it. What would I search like. OK you know what. See this is why you should have acquired style. It's acquired. No and so the girl wouldn't say who it was and then everyone's like it's acquired style and it wasn't me and that's why it's like I hated this video for a multitude of reasons. Name them and now everyone's getting blamed. Exactly. OK I can't find the video but it was just this girl. She had like 100,000 followers and she was like I just saw like a New York City influencer in the wild and I went up to her and she basically said she's like I didn't go up to her as like a fan. I went up to her because like we're in the same space and I was like just asking her questions about like work and you know being a part of the same community as her and she like wasn't receptive to my questions and like you know she was mean girl and she was like I was not being a fan like I was like I'm like her she said I'm her peer. I think that's worse. I'm her peer and like just wanting free advice. Right and you know she didn't give me the like attention the time of day that was required and like you know mean girl energy in the comments were really divided of being like oh this is why influencers are the worst and other people were like girl are you OK what the fuck does this girl owe you. You're not her peer. She has three million followers. You have a hundred thousand like good for you but like you are not. You don't know her and it's yeah I don't know why because influencing is like a female dominated space we're also supposed to like you know open up tell I made this amount of money and come here and take my this and it's like if any other business like it's called competitors like no one's going to just outright like spread their legs and tell them everything that you know about the business. It was such a parasocial take it was such a bad take being like and this is why like influencers are the worst. Well please share it with me. It sounds like she could benefit from Camilla's course. I feel like these two TikTok dramas kind of cancel each other out. Yeah. She's looking for how to win at social media. I have to watch it but just when you when you start off with like someone made a video complaining about an influencer interaction. I am almost always going to take the influencer side. Always going to take the influencer side. I feel like everyone else when they see those videos they're sat and they're ready to just like sympathize with the person calling themself a victim but not me. I'm going to sympathize with the influencer and really misunderstood. The the caption of the girl was like guess they didn't want to make any more friends. Maybe not. Who just goes up to people in the street and wants to make friends. Yeah. Found it. Ready. Found it. Found it. She thinks that like not that let me watch it before I'm just just had my first experience. I need to hear. But put the mic in the in the in the mic. It went super viral. I actually made me want to cry. That's a cry. Someone who cries easily and I have that feeling in my stomach that like I'm trying not to cry. I'm not saying names or anything but I just ran into this influencer that I just had the worst interaction with. I just went to New York recently and obviously I'm also in the content creation space and so when I run into other content creators or influencers out in New York I feel like for me it's like I want to I'm not really coming up with them as a fan. Like I want to say hi to them is more like oh like we're in the same world. Like maybe I'll see you at events kind of thing. And like I don't know. Deranged. Like I got from this girl. They're like looking up and down. They're like me trying to like ask her questions about her type thing and extremely one sided. Like I just it sucks because I've seen her content for a while and I thought she was a really nice person. Now everyone is allowed to have off days. I just want to cry. That was awful. Open the asylum. Yeah. And the comments were it was refreshing. Let me read the comment. It was very divided. You know half people being like mean girl energy. Some of you bitches have never met a mean girl like honestly because the bar for like what's considered a mean girl these days. Someone who just doesn't like eat your ass is so low. I mean then the other half were being like this is a really like mentally unwell take and you say you're a person who doesn't cry easily but this made you cry. I just feel like something's not adding up. The math isn't nothing. Yeah. Justice for required. Well then that's the other thing when you don't name names it leads people to be like I feel like it was X. I feel like it was why and everyone was saying acquired style. I mean she literally had to get in the comments and be like hello this is not me. I'm sorry that this happened to you. But like please leave me alone. Excuse me from this narrative one in which I never asked to be a part of. So it's like this to me this is mean girl. Yeah. Like a lot and the video went so viral. She is a platform the girl who created the video. She's a hundred thousand followers. Like oh my god I hate. I hate people are like I had a bad interaction with an influencer. Even if all of those things happened this person doesn't owe you anything. Like yeah maybe they could be kinder but like again you're a stranger like literally on the street like don't talk to strangers. Right. Stranger danger. Stranger danger. But it's also a lot of her perception like she looked me up and down like. She was just moving her eyes. Grain of salt. Yeah. Yeah. You know your eyes blank them thousand. Middle of seconds. A thousand percent projection. So no that's a no for me. Yeah. Agreed. You required. That's what's going on on Tiktok today. It makes me so glad that I'm out on Tiktok because like those things are not real. No they're not a real thing. Yeah. In terms of like tangible things in the world in the earth. That's not one of them. No. There's no there there. There is this like obsession with New York City influencers though. Like there's always like viral things. Remember when they said the New York City influencers are boring. I'm obsessed. So I'll continue to keep you abreast. I do love influencer drama. I don't know if our audience like loves it as much as we do. But oh they do. I can't imagine who wouldn't love it. Because it's literally high school. Right. Like it's just the shit that happened in high school on a bigger level. I love influencer drama. I will never not subscribe. And I feel like our listeners love influencer drama too. I feel like we're always being asked to like include more influencer stories. And here's my platform once again for like news outlets to like start writing it up because we can only report on the news that gets reported. So much of it is like niche chronically online. It's like neat things that are instead. Well like what's the drama here. She looked her up and down. You're right. So how can someone really write something like that. What's the crime. What's the headline. Right. Yeah. Or like so and so didn't like each other's photo. Like it's all we all see it. We feel it. But it's hard to put towards when you know the girls are fighting. But what do we really know. And the way people fight these days it's like no one on follows each other. Right. They don't block each other. They don't leave mean comments. It's just like a ghosting. Yeah. Like a. Disappearing act. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the latest. I guess we should get into the stories. We do kind of have like a lot to do. Spicy takes. You know now I'm like really like some of them are not spicy. OK. My one about as you just know it's not spicy. I'm realizing that now. So I just want to put that out there. But you're saying there's more spice to come. Definitely. OK. Well without further ado to do here are the fast five stories that you need to know. And the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by the container store. 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So Ashley Tisdale in the run up in the last few weeks has been talking about leaving her toxic mom friend group. Have you and I spoken about this on the toast? Because I know I explained the saga to you, but I can't remember if it was on Patreon. I don't remember if it was toaster patron. So why don't you just briefly explain it for those who were once like me. So Ashley Tisdale posted like a carousel of photos on TikTok on Instagram, referencing a blog post that she had written on her website. And the blog post was titled, you know, it's okay to leave your toxic mom group. And it was just about how she had a mom group and, you know, it turned a little bit like caddy high school people hanging out without one another gossiping. And, and, you know, she took her power back by leaving this group. And who gives a fuck, right? Like, cool. But it turns out people were very quick to realize that she was a part of this like very celebrity mom group where a bunch of moms, Mandy Moore, Hillary Duff, some like famous athlete, chefs, people like, I don't personally know, but impressive people who all had babies around the same time, I believe during COVID. They became this like cute little mom group. They had music classes at Hillary Duff's house and they were always like doing press, you know, Mandy was on the Jennifer Hudson show talking about it. So we've like known about this group. They take trips, they wear matching outfits. It looks like mom talk. Yes. A different. Elevated. What do they call it? Same. Different accent. Yeah, sure. Different font. Different font. Yeah. Excellent. Okay. Yeah. It's like a mom talk. You know, it's good to have mom friends. It's a helpful thing. They wear matching sweatsuit. Exactly. They take trips to the Cape. They do music class at Hillary Duff's house, but now like Hillary. Meghan Trainor's in it. Sorry, I forgot about her. Hillary was saying recently, like now they do gymnastics together. Yeah. Kids have grown up together. And they've just become besties along the way. It's been like a fun thing for people to watch. And I think also a lot of people can relate to that because even regulars like mom friends, mom groups. And I guess like I haven't experienced this, but mom groups, like any group of friends, not like, you know, specific to moms can turn toxic. Just like high school type of drama. I think what makes it different is like these are always going to be like later in life friends make them when you have kids. So it's like all of those dynamics from like high school and stuff for the first time happening in like a new friend environment because it's based on when you have your kids, like you all of a sudden, right? You need someone who's like in the same stage month. Yeah. Because you can relate. So she posted her blog post. I'm sure it was like the most traction her blog had ever seen. People were like really eating this up because this picture that you have of them all wearing matching outfits is taken over Thanksgiving. And her blog post came out like a little bit before Christmas. So it's like we were just all hanging out wearing matching outfits. What happened on this girls trip? Oh, that's really crazy. So the internet like went nuts. I'm sure this was like great for Ashley's self her business. Like everyone was finally like talking about her in like a fun way. None of the other girlies like responded or anything. And the situation did kind of die. It was like a fun internet thing for a couple of days. But then Ashley like was a dog with a bone and would let it go. She wrote like another article of the same theme, but she wrote it for the cut. So obviously like the cut saw, you know, this hot buzz issue. Ashley, you know, is in the cut, wrote it again a couple of days ago. I don't know if it was the same article, but it was like the same vibe. You know, it's okay to leave your toxic friend group, people, you know, hanging out without you. Yada, yada. Yes. So this is what she said. She reflected on not feeling cool enough after being excluded from hangouts in the piece. She recalled sitting alone one night after getting her daughter to bed, feeling totally lost as to what she was doing wrong to be left out. She went on to text the group. This is too high school for me and I don't want to take part in it anymore. Although she never considered the moms to be bad people, except for maybe one. She chose to cut ties with them after the dynamic, stop being healthy and positive. So I think like most friend groups, how many women are here? It looks to be like eight to 10 and they would splinter off into subgroups of like people who got along and then I think people would get together. And she sort of fell through the cracks. Yeah. Because they that happens to the person that you don't mess, don't like vibe with the most. It's not your fate. Like I know I don't know if you have the update, like as of this morning, like Ashley's, because then the internet really started to speculate. Like this is such a big, you're making it such a big deal. What the fuck happened? And then a lot of people started to surmise that it was about politics and that Ashley is Maga and the girls dropped her because of that. And then Ashley's rep took to TMZ being like Ashley is not Maga. She's a registered Democrat and this is not about this mom group that everybody thinks it is. It's about a different mom group. So now she's lying. Like there's no way it's not about this group. And because none of the girls have unfollowed anyone, like, but as you were just saying, like fighting looks different these days. Like you don't unfollow. Yeah. And I just, I know that this, you know, you know, they had a chat without Ashley a while ago. I know that this chat without Ashley is blowing the fuck up. And they're like so not regretting leaving her out because like, and the thing about even before all of this like drama, I was not going to be on Ashley's side because I always feel that if like a whole group drops you, like you're the problem, the group is not the problem. Now, that's not like that's a generalization, not every situation. But for the most part, like if everyone says you're dead, like roll over. And there's not a good way to go about saying like we don't like we don't enjoy you. You know, it's our viral sound clicks going to click. No, but normalize having a click and normalize like not everybody being best friends. This is in high school. Normally is like not pursuing close friendships with people that you don't deeply connect with and that you don't enjoy. Like I've met people where I'm like, you're a lovely person. I don't like enjoy spending the time with you and I'm not going to invest in that. Yeah. And I think like when people make comparisons to high school, when we're talking about being like clicks in high school, we're we're still developing, right? And so it is the right, you should be inclusive of other people and you should reach out and you should be kind. But now like we're all 30 year old women. It's exactly that. They're moms, they work, they have full lives pursuing friendships just to be nice. Is really not what 30 year old women are doing. Time for that. There's no time for that. And so I don't know. I'm just getting the vibe based on Ashley's behavior right now and the fact that everybody dropped her that like she is insufferable. Yeah, or not even insufferable, but just like. Not the funnest, funniest, coolest. Yeah. And so she feels uncool. No, I think it's more than that because like, yes, in big groups, I think that someone that would then go one first text the group and be like, I can not be doing this anymore and then write like two articles. Like maybe they were right in their correct. The thing is with big groups, people splinter off. So it's not a big deal that like two or three people hang out. You connect with different people. But the fact that everybody was wanting to not hang out with her just makes you think that there's something a little bit deeper and more sinister going on because it's not like one or two people were really tight with her. No, I think. I don't. I don't think there's something like deep and sinister or something happened. Like, I think she's kind of the woe. That's what I'm saying. But like whoa. No, but in big groups, like, yes, people splinter off. But the fact that nobody splintered off with her, she sucks. Yes, she sucks, but like not something deeper than that. No, no, no, nothing happened. But like. Yeah, she sounds like she sucks. And also if there's a group of people who are leaving me out and she said, like, she reached out a couple of times when she thought people were hanging out with her and everybody was like, wait, I thought Sarah texted you or whatever. They would like gaslight her, which is like so fucked up. I'm sorry. What else are you supposed to do? We don't like you. We didn't want to invite you. It's not an easy way to say to someone like, I don't want to spend the time with you. And so if I was a part of a group of friends that I found out were like not wanting to hang out with me, I mean, we're just different people. I would never. You would just never fucking see me again. Me again. I would be humiliated, first of all. And second of all, like I have no interest in hanging out with people that do not want to hang out without me. And that's just sort of been like my vibe, my whole life. I don't want you to change your behavior and start like think remembering to include me. And then I'm being included in its charity. I'm good. Like seriously, I will make new friends. I will move to a new city. That's just me. So the way that she's gone about handling this is so the opposite of what I would do, not only like texting everyone that you're leaving, it's not an airport. You don't need to announce your departure. Like, you know, we're fine. But also then writing multiple articles and using it for attention. Like it's this is not a good look for Ashley French, whatever her new name is. It's not cool in like a you know, people say like not cool, not cool. Yeah, that's not what I mean. It's not a cool thing to do. And I think not to separate. It's not cool. I think when she first wrote it, it was under this mask of like female empowerment, like sort of telling power back, telling other women, like maybe you also find yourself like caught in a toxic cycle with this mom group. Like you can leave. Like it's like a reminder. It's sort of like how I feel like, oh, you don't like your double chin. Like get liposuction. Like it's a reminder. Like you don't have to live with this sort of toxic thing. And now I'm feeling like that was just a veil and she's just wanting to start stuff and like be a victim. And I can understand how when you go back to evaluating whether people are cool or not, that that feels like high school because we haven't done that since high school. But but that's a projection. Nobody said she wasn't cool. She just didn't feel cool enough because she wasn't invited. Yeah, right. And the thing is, they are less cool groups like. Yeah, like zealusters. The zealots, I'm in that group. Like invite me. Yeah. So yes, any time we're evaluating your coolness, that's mean girl. That's high school, mean girl behavior. Sure. It's also like human nature, I guess. Yeah, too. Because you don't want to spend your time with someone that you don't connect with, especially at this stage in life. Especially with your kids. Like, yeah, it's so personal. And some people have like mom energy. I've experienced this before where I'm like, what's mom energy? No, no, they have their energy as a mother is not mine. Of course. And I'm like, oh, no, no, no, I don't want to be around this. Of course. It's so personal. Like who do you decide to be friends with later in life? While also incorporating your children. It's just unfortunate that nine out of the 10 celebrities who had children in May 2020 are all of the same elk and mom energy. Yeah. And the one is not. Yeah. If only she had a buddy. Yeah. And I'm saying the fact that she didn't have a buddy is the biggest red flag here. Not one person who stood up for her as far as we know. I'm sure someone did. I'm sure there was a someone and then Hillary Duff was like, no. Yeah. Hillary Duff runs the show and Mandy Moore is like second in command. The rest just follow like Megan Traynor. It's like, OK, what time are we meeting? Just so you know. The Tiz no longer follows Hillary Duff anymore. And she does still follow Megan Traynor. So you're a hundred percent. Oh, so Megan was like the one is like, guys, can't we all work it out? Like shut up, Megan. Yeah, right. You're too nice. Yeah, right. Oh my God. No, I'm like, this has been such a case. So what's my take spicy at all? No, but I don't know what the streets are. If the streets are being like really. And why people are going to say like that we're being mean. I don't think we're being mean. I haven't said a mean thing. I just said like we did say she sucks and like is a word and not. Yeah, and it's not for both ends. But she's obviously cool. She's in high school musical. She's a celebrity. Like right. I look she was cool enough to be a part of the group. I looked at her page yesterday. I haven't seen what she's up to in a while. Like she garden. She's got it all going on. She's a beautiful kitchen and a beauty company and a beauty company. Like, you know, so she's crushing it. But on a person personality level, like when it's not a match at this age in life. Oh, no, no, no. Yeah. And I do feel like the women who were like making the decision as to whether to include her. Yeah. They are sleeping soundly knowing that was the right decision because she's like shown a little bit of like a crazy side. And you know that Hillary Duff is the leader in this group because the music classes were at her house. Well, we know it for a multitude of reasons. Like she's the most famous. Yeah. She's the coolest one. I don't know who these other people are, but like someone could be like a billionaire here for sure. But like fame is they all live in LA. Fame is like the most important thing to everyone. So her and Mandy Moore, but I think Mandy Moore like doesn't care as much. I could see Hillary Duff being like a little like obsessed, like with like, you know, the group. I just feel like Mandy Moore is like the cool one who's just like cares very little. Yeah. And she's a little bit older. Correct. She's a little bit too mature for like this. So she's a little more removed. It just makes me realize like this girl. I need a celebrity mom group. I need a celebrity mom group. OK. Yeah. What about me? Yeah, it's just like we need more. Who's not a group who like had a baby around similar time. Shannon, of course. Oh, yeah. Actually, we kind of do the tailors now. Lauren, yeah, we do. We do. But it's like we start a group chat. I feel like like watching the group chat called celebrity moms. OK. Wait, let's see if like our because I know a lot of our friends like listen to the toast and this will be like a test. Like who listen. But I think all celebrity mom groups like also have a couple of like normal people. Yeah, of course. No, we have to throw Dana in there. Like she's our normie. But wait, hold on. I was going to say she's a she has a podcast, so she's this. Oh, true, true. But I was just going to say one thing. Let's see which of our friends know before that. Who else do you want to invite to our group? And it's just a group chat at this point. The Kardashians made me realize that we don't have enough group chats. Yeah, I agree. But so it's a group chat at this point. And then like maybe if it like it really takes off, like we could go on a trip. Oh, my God, I would love that. What's the name of our group? Celebrity moms. Love it. Should I start it right now? And you have to be the ones to start it. You're Hillary Duff and I'm Manjure. You're so Mandy Moore. OK, so Shannon. Who's Ashley Tisdale will find out. Stay tuned. Jackie Olivia. Who else? Should we do this later? Like, yeah, like Lauren, Elizabeth, then we could also like, I know which moms like had babies when I like, you might talk to people on Instagram who had a baby when you did. I do. Like Lauren Elena. Lauren Elena. We literally had babies like the same day. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny, like I have like fellow influencers who I had babies the same time as who like, like Raven. OK, you know what? We need to shout offline because now it's getting like a little big, not to be like Hillary Duff, but we are going to need to like. Yeah. Yeah. Celebrity moms. Yeah. OK. Well, good luck, Ashley Tisdale. I do hope that the right mom group finds you. Yeah. And also, so she has two kids, like one who's four. That's the group. That's how she got into this group. But she also has a one year old. So like maybe the friends she makes through her one year old's group. Yeah. Or her forever family. Right. Yeah. Right. But this has been fun. And so thank you. I'm glad that like you were into this saga. Yeah. I was following it closely. And then I got political and I was like, oh, girl, get me out of here. Though I and I really don't think I can't imagine that it's about politics. Like I have more faith in humanity than that, that like women can get along and agree on everything. Agreed. But on its face, you know, writing two articles about how you left the group, like is not the cool capital C thing to do. No, someone in our mom group would never know. She would never. Oh, but we have to be aware of that. I don't know. I feel like Shannon would. Are you ready for our next story? Tom Brady and Alex Harrell update. TMZ is reporting that though the couple sparked a lot of buzz over New Year's Eve in St. Bart's, there was no hookup. So TMZ initially broke the story of the video obtained of the two of them flirting in the club, but sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ the moment was nothing more than drunk, flirty fun at the party. They're told Tom and Alex talked, danced and flirted on the dance floor. And that's where it ended. No hookup, no late night, wrong debut. And for fact, they're told it was the first time they'd ever met. Yeah, I feel like I would have guessed that. I don't know. Someone from one of their camps clarified. And it was like, I feel like it was probably Tom Brady, because this was like for the most part, really positive fanfare for Alex. But it made Tom look like a creep, an old man. And so I think that the clarification came from his camp because letting people think you had sex with Tom Brady, like there's no sweat off of Alex's back, even if you didn't. But as an almost 50 year old, like letting the internet think that you had sex with a 25 year old on vacation when you didn't does require clarification. I actually think the opposite. Of course you do. I think that you are literally actually just I'll go. I think that Alex didn't want to be like thought of to be with this old man in that sort of way. And for her, for him, like he's 48, dating 25 year olds, like is a slay. It's gross. Well, I think that people like, maybe, maybe someone would think it's a slay, but the reaction online like was not positive. Frontal lobe check. Yeah. You know, she turned 25 like a week ago. I think she was celebrating her birthday on that. I got she was celebrating the lobe. Yeah. I think that for a man like him, like that's what he's here to do now in his life. And I also think, you know, he has got a lot going on in his mind with the football and retirement and feeling old. And this makes him feel young and this makes him look young. He thinks I think that it also was just sort of bad timing because we didn't even talk about like the same week that this story came out. Giselle and her man got married. Oh, they had the baby. And then I think they just had like a small little ceremony to officially get married. So it's like they could not be doing more different things after their marriage. Yeah. So it really did not make him look good. This whole thing. But also like he hooked up with Brooks Nader. Like this is his type of. Yeah. But Brooks is 29. I don't know why Brooks feels so more mature. It's just we met Alex when she was in college. So right. She's like, eternally like a teenager. Yeah. I agree. And she represents Gen Z. Like I just want you to know, like I think for Tom Reedy, like this is everything he's looking for. She's going to say Leonax, like Victoria Corelli, like watch. Pack your bags. Your time is up. You are the weakest leg. Goodbye. No, but like I hope not. And I feel like for her, she's not interested in old men, I feel. OK, because what nobody's saying is it's yucky, like saggy old men. Like who wants to lay with that? Especially when like not saying other women have other intentions, but like she's a self-made woman. Right. You know, she doesn't need she doesn't money. She doesn't need any attention. She's got it all going on. So that's when you, you know, you got your pick of the litter. Yeah. Who do we see her with next? Like I personally am over athletes for her. And I'm not ever someone who's like shipping people with athletes with the exception of a couple of people, like they don't make good boyfriends. It's like fun content for a little while, but I just don't like it. So I think that like when she's very like, you know, barstool, smoke show, so I think that like she thinks she has to date an athlete. But I want her to know there's like opportunities elsewhere. And I don't I don't want this for her. There's other industries. Yeah. I'd really have to noodle on it. But I think that whoever she needs next, like it'll be beautiful in its own way. That's really lovely. Like Glenn and Michelle Glenn and Michelle have taught me that I can't predict anything that I have to let the universe let things play out. What about Zac Efron? I'll always ship everyone with that. I know I watched a show at the weekend in your house, but you literally did not come out of your bedroom. So I don't even know if you knew that I watched. I did. I did show him an info on your couch. I didn't know that you watched the whole thing. I was enjoying a contact nap. It had been a while since I've seen that movie. And obviously it was stands the test of time. It's the greatest movie ever made. But there's a couple of things that happen in that movie that are so fucking crazy. Now, I know we all love like the most popular song is when the shoppers words want to come down. And not enough people talk about what precedes that song in the movie, which is the group of like freaks being fucking crazy. Like and like storming. They storm the like opera party like that like high class affair. There were like literally Hugh Jackman's employees and they're thinking that they deserve to go to the opera and they were acting so out of control with the free champagne and everything. It's like it was just insane. Oh, and they had a show. No, and like they had to work. It was the 1800. Right. Like you're even applying like a modern. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm just saying like strictly in a workplace situation. You are Hugh Jackman's employees. Hugh Jackman's other business is having like a high class affair. You are literally supposed to be on stage, but you're storming, acting inappropriate, like literally like tackling people. And like mind you, like you also have a beard. It's just. It was insane. And so then they leave the most conventional. No, then they get kicked out rightfully so because they have to go to work and they're like in this dark corridor, being like, when the sharpest words want to cut me down. It's like, girl, get out of here. She was so wrong for that. And I feel like the song took on a life of its own in culture as like anybody who's never like not fit in. But this wasn't a case of not fitting in. This was a case of like workplace disgruntled employees. Yeah, I agree. I just feel like that needed to be said after watching the movie with a pair of fresh eyes and also Zendaya should not have ended up with Zac Efron. Like what he did to her was so bad. Yeah, being ashamed to be seen with her. Oh my God, I could never. Those two, like that storyline in the movie is not for me. Rewrite the stars. Like never did it for me. Oh, and I did it for a lot of people and I feel like it brought a lot of people into the movie. So yeah, I'll accept. You know, I've often said that Jenny Lind, I thought she was miscast and I stand by that. But I also feel like Michelle Williams should not have been in that movie. Like what was she doing? Why do you feel like Jenny Lind was miscast? Because like when I see that woman, like I know she's not singing. Do you know what I mean? Oh, because you know she's not singing. I didn't even know that she wasn't singing. I didn't know the whole story about Lauren already. Who can take of course, but even if you're not like, I just knew when I saw the movie, I'm like, you're not singing. Like I love you're not a woman who sings like even like her mannerisms. When she was singing, I'm like, a person who sings doesn't move like that. Oh my God, I have no issues with Jenny. I sing. I know. I do agree with you about Michelle Williams, but she holds it down. She was fine. Yeah. But it's a perfect movie. It's so amazing. Yeah. And so Zac Efron and Alex are like, no. Oh, right. That's how we got here. Jacob Elordi unemployed. Uninspired choice. Unemployee of the year. Unemployee already. Like no, I'm inspired. Like when you think of like actors of her generation, like it's Jacob and Austin. And I don't want that for her. That's so unoriginal. I agree. What else? Like maybe someone in business. Yeah. Like someone who's like a famous business person that like we wouldn't think of. But it's hard like they're not so young. Right. Or attractive. I look. It don't matter to you. No, the in general, like I actually money matters more. In person, personality, right? Status. Your soul. Like I don't see people's looks. I just want and maybe I'm just so evolved. But like once I know you, I only see who you are. OK, so on a personal level, I don't see people's looks. I really don't. In media, like I see everyone. You see. I've got 20, 20 vision. Who they really are, which is ugly. Yeah, I understand. I guess I'm just more evolved. Yeah, for sure. It is what it is. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Mm hmm. Amanda Safe Reed is being weird again. She thought Timothy Chalamet shout out to Kylie Jenner was for an actual foundation, she says. So the car. OK, sorry. You got so someone posted a clip of Timothy saying what he said to Kylie, which I've watched like now a hundred times. And then I love you. Thank you for our foundation. And she commented saying, oh, not like a foundation slash charity. I was curious about that. So this reminded me and I actually say this story because I wanted to talk about it because I know you don't know this, but over the December shows, I recently became obsessed with this memory that I had. Do you remember when we reported on it? We were probably the only people to report on it when Amanda Seaford like woke up one day and decided to cyber bully Ariel Charnes. I remembered that that happened the other day and then I was like talking about on the toast and actually I made a talk about it and I commented like, yeah, that was really crazy. They had like no personal connection. They did not know each other. And all of a sudden, like. What was she on her case about? It was about. Working out, bouncing back after pregnancy. And Ariel Charnes has actually been really open about the fact that she's just like hella naturally skinny and like she works out, but she eats like fine. She's just actually it just works for her. And Amanda Seaford like commented. Oh, I think actually it was a picture that Ariel Charnes posted about how she's like so proud of her beautiful body. Like her body's given her three babies. It was like a beautiful thing. And also like Amanda Seaford and her don't know each other. And then Amanda Seaford commented like it's like easy to have it when you have money in nannies. First of all, are you homeless? You also have money in nannies like chill. Second of all, lead Ariel Charnes alone. The voice of the people, don't you know? Not my people, not any people that I know. And so I want to choose a story and one of my like unsavory spicy things that I wanted to say and I feel like it's taken me a while to come to this because it's been a it's been a couple of things. This Ariel Charnes thing, which I never forgot about. Like I'm still at the restaurant. Then a couple of weeks ago, she was doing press for the housemaid and this clip of her on like CBS Good Day Morning with Gail. CBS Good Morning. Hello to you. CBS Gail's Morning. Cup coffee went viral. She was being so weird, like just weird, quirky, weird. And then this I just wanted to make it known because I feel like I always make it known when I don't like someone. Like I officially really don't like Amanda Seyfried. I feel like if I met her, we would she would fucking hate me. And right back, she would hate me. I hate her. Um, and I've just seen a lot of things from her. And I think she's insufferable. Yeah. A lot of it has to do with her online persona. And what's Minji? So that's the other thing. I feel like she like hides behind Minji. This screenshot went viral of her comment and her username is at M.I.N. G.E.Y. So I was like, why does everybody care about this random troll? Like seriously, who cares? And then I forget, maybe Lizwood's posted that it was Amanda Seyfried. I was like, oh yeah, that is her. And that was her username when she became for Ariel Charnes too. Okay. What does Minji like her being Minji reminds you of? Michi Torres from Camp Rock. Oh no, no, no, no, no, like her being Minji. Is like another celebrity being bad gallery, right? No. I know it's going to come to me. Let me know. Like we call them by their username. We don't call them. It's like they just like behave differently. Like their Instagram is like their alter ego with a different name. Who? Vansity Reynolds. 1000%. This is so Vansity of her. So Vansity. Yeah, because like when Vansity is on his Vansity shit, he's like verbally abusing his wife on social media in the name of comedy. Whereas like Ryan Reynolds would never do that. Right. Yeah, I agree. It's like a terrible alter ego. Minji is like a troll. Whereas like Vansity Reynolds. That sounds like a troll. Vansity Reynolds like exclusively uses that username to troll his wife. Right. Whereas Minji uses her username. Which like trolled people in media. Yeah. So do you want to break down the comment or not? Like. No, it's like also not a good, funny take. It's like a dumb. Right. Either like you really thought he was talking about the foundation that he started with Kylie Jenner. But like anyone who has a firm grip on the English language would know he was talking to a person because he says to my foundation, it's like, OK, yes, for a half a second, you could think he's talking about it. Like, you know, the Red Cross. But then he goes, I love you. Yeah. Like he was talking to a person. Oh, and then they cut to Kylie and she says, I love you back. Like that's that on that. Actually, if she actually thought this, I do worry for her. Like that's because I don't know how somebody could like memorize enough lines to be in a movie, but not understand like this one offhand remark. So she's like trying to be funny. It's not landing. I'm just finding her annoying recently. Like she's on my list. And just so you know, like being on my list is not a permanent thing. Most people don't get off, but it is possible. Oh yeah. All the time. Sam Hunt. So there's one. 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Like when I flubbed my words during the ads that you can't like it, you can't make fun of me. Yeah. That was like a really. Yeah, I know. I know. And I was thinking, I'm like, it was bringing me joy, like knowing that you couldn't that I can't stop you. However, you can't stop the beat. Making fun of word flubs does not bring me as much joy as it brings me. Yeah, you don't let anyone get away with anything minor and fractions. You love it. No, I'll make a feast off of it for years. Yeah. So I mean, parsed. Parced. That tells of me. Yeah. Let's get into our fourth story. Parced was all the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where we got our ears parsed. Ariana Grande is going viral for adorably fangirling over Lee Meester in a must see moment at the Critics Choice Awards. Now I want to get your take on it. Do I think Layton was making fun of her? Sort of. Like, like, was it do you think there was anything like remotely unkind and Layton's response? So they just like crossed paths on the red carpet at the Critics Choice Awards. Ari like sees Layton and she goes big fan. Big fan. Wow, wow, wow. And we know that like Ari is like a millennial to her core and she obviously loved gossip, girls. And so then Layton like sees her say that and she just like says to the person next to her. Her publicist. Wow, wow, wow. Like she's sort of like echoed that. I don't want to say mimic, imitate, echoed. What was in Layton's heart? How could we ever know? I like can't get a read on Layton Meester as a person. And I think that's like hard when you play like such an iconic character. Everybody thinks she's like Blair, like Blair would do this. She's not Blair. It's like disappointing how little like Blair she is. She hates Blair. She hates Blair. Like she would never like I feel like Layton is like a communist. You know what I mean? And like not that I know anything about her personal politics. I just mean like Blair was so like. Capitalist. Exactly. So I just think that they're polar opposites. I don't know if she was making fun of Ariana Grande. I can't imagine that she would be that stupid like in front of cameras in front of Ariana. Ariana is like still three feet from her. I also like this story is like eating up the internet. Like I personally don't care. You know what I mean? The critics choice awards like I don't know. I kind of have beef with. Yeah, I don't have beef with them. Like I'm happy that there's like more awards for people to receive to receive and to make speeches about their partner of three years. And the critics choice awards gave us that. Right. And I will always love the critics choice awards for that. An instance like this, it is impossible for us to know what's in Layton's heart. It could have gone so many different ways. And like I think projecting any like ill intent onto it is like how things get misconstrued. Like the like it goes back to the influencer and she looked me up and down. Like the farmer in the dough. So I get also don't know Layton in a personal way. I agree with you. She's not what you like assume that she's going to be. Right. Like she's not. Yeah. Like and I don't know what she is, but I know what she isn't. Yeah. She isn't Blair. Yeah. There's like two routes to take when you play like an iconic character. And I feel like she's OK. So like on one side is like being obsessed, leaning in all the time. Like very much like what Miley is doing with Hannah right now. But she's had her journey to get there. After years of rejecting Hannah. Right. And then there's people who like run from the thing. They don't want to be asked about it in press. They don't reference it. Yada, yada. And I reference or not reference. Correct. So if they feel like if Hannah Montana is on the right over here and on the left, like who's somebody who like never like hates who hates the thing that they did. I would just say I feel like Layton's like center left. Agreed. Like she doesn't hate Blair, but she's not like excited by it. She doesn't want to like she doesn't like go on Instagram and like post Blair quotes as her caption. And she'll answer the question if she gets asked in an interview. But I know like her public telling the public. This is being like, let's not focus on. Yeah. So that's not what we want from like our beloved characters. But she's a human being and like that's how she's working through it. And it is what it is. I also feel like there's like a lot that went on on gospel like by disease. But also some somebody I read this in a TikTok comment. So take it like with the grain of salt. But somebody said that like wow, wow, wow is like a Blair Waldorf reference. And then they were like doing Blair. So Ariana was doing that. And so you're saying in that split second like she knew like that's just what somebody said. But I also feel like Ariana is like a reference queen. Much like us. Right. Jennifer Coolidge like. No, but like I feel like she knows all the quotes. No, she's like always quoting Jennifer Coolidge, big time magazine editor. Like, yeah. She's Evan Rings music video. Yes. Everything. And like she's so swirly in that. Yes. Yes. So that could be a Blair ism. I don't know how it is. And I just rewatched gossip girl. But unfortunately we all like have to just let this go. We can't assign any malice to it or even any like positivity. I don't have proof either way. And I also like I don't know. I just don't really care about this one. I can't explain it. Yeah. Okay. You know, like maybe she did. You think maybe she didn't. But like why would she like be mean about Ariana Grande? Like being excited to see her like she's literally on a red carpet. Natalie does that make no sense. She was calling her beautiful. Not only does that make no sense, but also why would she do it in front of Ariana? Like why don't you wait till like you're in the car and then make fun of her? Yeah. I mean, but you're on a red carpet. That's when you're like prepared for all of that. Like I can imagine like on the sidewalk, it's like, oh, don't look at me. Yeah. On the red carpet. Like that's what we came here for. Okay. Devil's advocate. Well, the opposite. Angel's advocate. Like I don't think that Layton Beester is like a mean girl, but I also don't think she's like hella friendly. Yeah. So I don't know. I could see her like no, I don't know. If I talk about this long enough, I'll just like end up believing that she was saying. And I actually don't. I don't know. I think it's like nothing. It's a nothing. Like why would she be mad about the fact that Ari was like, wow, wow, wow. Right. And yes, like Layton and Adam Birdie are having a moment and they're like famous, but like Ariana Grande is like one of the biggest stars in the world. So like you would just be, you would be excited that she's excited. Yeah. Only like a crazy person wouldn't. I agree. If I had my gavel, I would say officially nothing burger. Yeah. No, no time served. We should bring our gavels back. I don't know. I feel like we're so evolved. No, not to like bang them, but like we have these like shelves behind us with like hearty stuff. Part of our history. Do you know where they are? Probably your studio. Oh, okay. Are you ready for our fifth and final student and something that I predicted. The year of the crack. Says that 2026 is going to be the year of the crack. Now I said that. I noticed you did. Jackie literally said like six months ago. I said like cracks are in cracks are coming in like the. It was like Milan fashion week or something. Yeah. I said crack is the new cleavage. And now Vogue is saying that as well. And now everyone here is when I said it, I'm crazy. No, it's actually so crazy that you predicted this. And if I ever felt like I wasn't relating to like my fellow man, this just even, you know, cements that even further. Do you feel the urge to show crack? Make a little window in your pant. Like, you know that I don't. Little the window show a little crack. No crack is. Crack is beautiful. Crack is actually whack. It is. And I won't be doing crack. I won't be showing crack. I will not be engaging in crack like behavior. And now I guess she's on crack. Yeah. Even the references that they have here of the cracks on the runway, the cracks on the red carpet. So there's only one reference. Haley Bieber. And yes, but that's thong, not crack. Exactly. So if we're going to get cracking, her crack. Oh, that wasn't even the one I was talking about. The mech. And that's a couple of years ago. So it's a really, really low back dress that does not show her crack, but where her crack would be. There's like a little fake thong. Yeah. It was so gorgeous. This is. Yeah. Zoe Kravitz at the Vanity Fair Oscar party. That's not crack. That's tushy. That whole ass is out. This is crack realized. I just feel like I'm trying to be positive here. So if it is in fact the year of the crack. I don't know, even like the sexiest person in the world. Like I don't want to see your ass. Like I just don't. Man, woman, child. Like I don't care. Yeah. It's private parts, you know. Correct. And I think this is another one of my spies it takes in 2026. Let's keep our private parts private. Okay. Like I don't want to see your ass. I don't want to see your nipples unless your breastfeeding. And then I want to see them all. I don't want to see your koochi, your hoochie, your penis, your balls. Like keep it to yourself. Okay. I mean, I think that's like a very a standard taking notes. The story of Adam and Eve. Yeah. Put some leaves over your titties girl. Like get out of here. Yeah. So 2026 is the year of the crack. Tag us if you're rearing your crack out. And I hear I was thinking it was the year of the dragon. Like I'm just so crazy. Are you ready for Dear Toasters? I am. Our weekly advice segment where Jackson and I just do our best to help our community. I feel like our community is always showing up for us. And you know, on Tuesdays, we like to show up for them. In addition to doing like the most amazing show. Of course. Make you laugh. Amazing merch that never shows up like, you know. That's not true. It just takes like a couple of weeks. And some people have had bad experiences. But like overall, like thousands are fine. Yeah. We're sorry about that. We're like actually working out. No, it makes us sick. And if you want to like be mad at somebody, like be mad at the postmaster general. Like. Right. When it gets like lost in shipping, like really, who's fault is that? Yeah. And I also, I do want you to like think about blaming. President Chi, like it's a lot of him too. Because a lot of things are happening in China. Oh, you think so? Even though our merch is made in America. Yeah. But like we definitely get some shit from overseas. And then it's made here. Is it? Some of it. It's really good stuff. Okay. So our weekly advice segment, Dear Toasters, where you can write into Dear Toasters at gmail.com or you can head over to our website, DearToastersPodcast.com and use a little submission box. Both methods are completely anonymous and we will help you out from anything from, you know, is your mom group toxic or is your part of the way? Are you showing too much crack? Like we're going to help you out. So here are the submissions for today. Hello, girlies. A couple of nights ago, my husband invited two couple friends to a college basketball game. My husband is a huge basketball guy. We even gave them our extra tickets for free because we thought it would just be like a fun group outing. I assumed that we were all riding separately and meeting at the arena. But the plot is when we got there, we realized that the other two couples had met up beforehand, gone out to dinner and arrived as one cute little foursome. There was no, hey, want to grab food or hey, we're meeting up first, nothing. I told myself to let it go until today when they started posting pictures from their night, just the four of them, with captions like date night, as if we weren't all at the same event, as if we literally did not provide the tickets for free. So please tell me, am I in well? Is this mean girl behavior? Is this red flag that I need new friends or am I overreacting? You've been used, my friend. Yeah. The interesting thing though is that she, the way she described it is my husband invited two couple friends. So do you know these girls like or like are they going out with their husband's friend? Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, it could have been like super, super nice of them to invite you to dinner or this was like your first time meeting. Like they, we do require a little more context, but if you're, this is just poor etiquette. Like you should, the imitation should have been extended to you if they were doing like a roundup of the evening on Instagram. There should have been a photo with you guys in it. And the fact that there wasn't, like we don't need to send them to jail, but it's just a signal that they're like not really about you and you should take that cue. Like I just want to say it actually is a signal that they're mean because even like, if you don't get along with somebody, when somebody gives you free tickets, you like tag them on Instagram and it's like move on with your life. Yeah, like, yeah, even if they didn't get, what if they didn't get a photo with her? Maybe they don't know her. Things for the amazing night at Jackie O. Like, yeah, the fact that they didn't, they don't know her so well. So like they didn't get, like, I don't always like take pictures. Selfie, but you would like, if somebody brought you to like a suite. Okay. And you posted pictures with Zach and somebody else you knew in the suite, you would tag like, thank you at Olivia. I don't know why I'm like only using our family for the amazing night. Yeah, I think that I would. Of course, that's just like sort of social media etiquette. So the fact that they didn't like these girls are mean and they didn't vibe with you. So how you react is very Ashley Tisdale. Like I didn't say they didn't vibe with you when like the crime was committed before they even technically met you at the game. Well, depending on how well you know them. If you don't know them that well, then once you dinner before is not weird. But then them posting on Instagram, like you weren't even there is rude. And how you react, like I think you should never see these bitches again. Yeah, you don't need to send a text message being like, I'm not leaving this a serving me. Yeah, why do you guys don't like take your cue? Yeah, take your cue. All right, next up. One of my guy friends just got married, but he's recently started kissing like making out with other guys at parties. So at first, everybody thought this was a joke, but they started doing it more and more. And the kisses turned from pecs to borderline makeouts. Because a few of our friends have witnessed the behavior. Everyone is talking about it. And it's become a huge elephant in the room to say the least. My loyalty does lie with him. I do not care what his sexuality is, but I am uncomfortable not knowing if his new wife is aware of this or not. Why is he at parties without his new wife? It almost feels like a cry for help and not an open relationship type of thing. I could be wrong. Should I bring this up to him and see what he has to say or leave it alone? I would say leave it alone. But why is his new wife not at parties with him? How many parties is he going to newly married without his wife? Now, this is where like I had one of the like spicier things to say. And I don't know if I want to say it. Why don't you we could always cut it out. Okay, tell me if this is crazy. I understand that like it's really complicated to come out. There are so many things like family, friends. What will people think? I do feel like as a society, like we're really evolved and like for the most part, yeah, there's still like crazy, terrible people, but for the most part, it's like, you're gay, like literally who cares? That's amazing. Wonderful. If you enter into a marriage with someone knowing that you are gay, I feel like for a while like we gave leniency. It's like, well, he didn't know or like whatever. I feel like at some point like I want to hold you responsible. Like that's sort of like an evil thing to do. And I know like it's complicated and you're on your own journey. But like to bring somebody else into that just to sort of cover up what you're dealing with. Like, I don't know. I feel like it's really wrong. And so I don't know if this girl knows. I don't know the situation here, but like if he is like, why should this girl waste her youth on somebody who's not really in the marriage? I feel like she should know. And then if it's like years later, he comes out and like she wasted like the prime years of her life and everybody who's making out with guys at party and like she didn't know. I don't know. I feel like it's kind of fucked up. I like that take of you should tell her. I wasn't even thinking of that. I was just sort of going to be like, you know, why is she not at parties with him? Right. Makes me feel like they're what do they call it? A lavender marriage. That's something. Well, maybe that's what's happening here. And then like you don't need to tell her. Well, no, you can still tell her just to like do the thing that you would want done to you. I just think the fact that and where how many parties are right? It sounds fun. Like who goes to many parties? Yeah, maybe they're younger. But I just feel like there was a time when like men would like leave marriages of like 40, 50 years and like come out and it was like there was nothing they could have done 40, 50 years ago. They did what they had to do. I just feel like that's not the world anymore. No, if it's like safe enough to make out at parties. Right. Right. A man. Then like these are this is your community and no one's like, oh, that's so like, don't do that. Right. Sinner. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I'm like, I kind of feel like the grace period for that is a little bit over and you do like you have every right to live your truth or not or not. But to bring someone else and like make them be married to you when it's like not a truthful marriage. I don't know. I'm like starting to feel like like we have we we owe. Well, here's the thing. If he wears going to these parties and making out with the girls like kissing his girlfriends. Why is this different? And it's getting into me a little much and she's not at the parties. The whole thing is so weird. Yeah. I guess tell her just because first of all, like I know he's your friend, but like how close can you really be with the man who's married? Right. Like you guys, you sound toxic. No kidding. No, no, no, no, but like I'm sorry. That's not like the same as girls friend. Like, of course, that's your best girl friend. Different than being your best guy. Right. Right. Because like boys and girls can't be friends. It sounds like this also might be in an appropriate time for an anonymous letter. Do you think boys and girls can be friends? OK. When? No, not an anonymous letter, by the way. Just tell her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back to your question. Like single people in high school like high schools like no. Is everyone straight? Everyone's straight. You know, because I do have like my best friend forever was a guy even when I was married. He's gay now. So maybe we can't actually. Right. Because now thinking back like maybe it was like an inappropriate friendship. We were so close. But he's gay. Turns out it wasn't. Turns out it wasn't. Right. But I do think like boys and girls like can't be like that close and it like post caught like, you know, when everyone's young. Because either you're in love. Or it's an inappropriate relationship. Like if one of you if you're both single and like best friends, it's like, well, you're in love. Well, if you're single and your best friends and like you tell each other, like get married, that's your love. You are in love. That sounds amazing. You're halfway there. It's a dream. You want to spend your time with them. You like talking to them. Like why the only thing left is like the physical stuff. I guess like if you're not attracted to them, but like most people are if you love someone as a best friend, like you will find them beautiful because I don't see people exactly. But also most people are like friends with their like same ish level of attractiveness. Yeah. Yeah. No friends like a bunch of August. No. This episode's all about friendships. Like I'm what goes into friendship. It's the theme for today. Friendship. It's beautiful. Tell her. Tell her. I don't like this because I don't like any kissing outside of your marriage. Even if they were initially pecs. I don't like pecking outside your marriage. It's both. Yes. It's cheating. So like a girl should know that her husband's cheating on her. But also it's even more layered because if you're cheating in a marriage, like there's an element of lies between you. I can't believe it took us so long to get to this conclusion. Like we're actually too sensitive. No. Because sometimes like with dear toasters, it's like, well, is it worth the trouble? Then you're become the villain and you started all this. Most of the time. So a lot of times with your toasters, we just say like mind your own business. Yeah. But that's why I said the thing about like these. It's I feel like it's more often like gay men than like gay women. But sometimes yeah, like gay women, like leave marriages, whatever. But I feel like most of the time it's like gay men who live in like marriages that are lies. And I just feel like in the year 2026, like we don't need to be doing that. And if you are, I feel like now it's mean and it's wrong. And I don't know if that's spicy and if I'm going to get canceled for saying that. Yeah. On this one, like women, we've got to look out for each other. Right. Sisters. Sisters. You can say screw sisterhood. No. We stand together. We make up one big family, but we don't look the same. My spots are different. Different colors. I'm such a good singer. You are. Yeah. Really beautiful witness. Thank you. Part of and just like be able to be a backup singer. Oh, you agree? Like I have an amazing voice. I've always supported your singing. Yeah. I just feel like honestly being here, like it's like a podcast or it's holding me back from reaching my true potential. Well, you're in front of a microphone. Do your thing. Okay. At least you're you've made it this far to where your job entails you sitting in front of the microphone. I'm unstoppable. I'm a Porsche with no brakes. I'm invincible. Yeah, I win every single game. I'm so powerful. I don't need batteries to play. I'm so confident. Yeah, I'm unstoppable today. Just a little see it for you. See you later. See you later, alligator. Thanks so much for a great show. Anything else? Like wrap it up. That's it for me. If I have anything else else, I'll say tomorrow. That's the great thing about this show. Except on a Friday. So we have until Friday. But then it's the weekend. So it's like, okay, I'm more excited about the weekend than the weekend. I forgot to say that one little thing. Thank you guys so much for listening to the talk. I probably forgot for a reason. 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