324: The Intel Batman

Okay, Brad, did you see the mushroom story about the elves? I'm just going to pull the curtain back. You messaged it to me on Discord, but as a spoilered URL saying, don't click on this. Save it for next week. This is cold open material. In fairness, I originally sent it without the spoiler tag, and then I edited the spoiler tag in immediately. Oh, I see. Because I messed up the spoiler tag. See here, I've spent the entire last week blaming Discord's notifications, or maybe the Apple Watch's notifications. At any rate, the URL came to my watch unspoilered. Okay, so I got, let's say, a little bit of a preview of whatever's going on here. But yeah, look, five days, especially in the Kermit climate, turns out to be plenty of time to forget everything about that interaction. So hit me. Okay, so this is from a BBC article that popped up in one of my feeds someplace. And I was like, oh, this is cold open material. there's a mysterious mushroom that grows in the yunnan province of china that when you eat it if it has not been cooked enough everyone who eats it is is hit with strikingly odd and similar symptoms which is that you see visions of pint-sized people marching under doors crawling up walls clinging to furniture the hospital in the region where these mushrooms grow treats hundreds of these cases every year and they grow on pine trees and people forage for them and you have to cook them when you go to a hot pot place there they set a timer for the mushrooms a this mushroomologist mycologist said i was there i heard about this i went to the hot pot place a hot pot mushroom restaurant which like let me go and tell you i would be in for a mushroom hot pot restaurant just mushrooms okay but but he's like they they they set a timer and they tell you don't eat this until the timer goes off or you might see little people wait yeah it's a selling point to not see little people i think generally speaking hallucinating small people is a bad idea i don't know i mean that was going to be my first question would you try it oh hell yeah no no no i don't i don't mean the cooked version where you're not going to see the hallucinations i'm asking would you try i would try it i don't think i want to see little people every that that sounds that sounds like a pretty benign trip all things considered i mean look every time i i tried mushrooms like twice in college and it went it was an incredible amount of vomiting both times so i'm that's a bad one yeah i did not react well to the mushrooms interesting um so hallucinogenic mushrooms maybe not my favorite thing got it i wonder i wonder though if this is like where the icelandic little people and all the different cultures you think these mushrooms are everywhere and people have just been whore from them down and not realizing that that it's making them see the little people and then this is where like elves and fairies and everything come from i mean can we do some forensic archaeology on jonathan swift's whole habits oh yeah the little putians Yeah, his whole his whole eating and otherwise existing environments. Can we try to figure out what it was he was eating? And perhaps perhaps there's a tangible explanation for all of this. So the thing that's interesting about it is that the mycologist who was quoted in this article literally is saying, hey, the fact that everybody has the same exact hallucination when they take this, when they eat these mushrooms is really interesting, you know, for science. Yeah, that seems, I mean, look, you see, about to get all serious here, but you see a weird amount of discussion about psilocybin in medical applications these days. So the interesting thing is that this guy, the mycology doctor who is quoted here, is saying that because everybody sees the same hallucinations, it's really interesting because most hallucinogenics have wildly different effects on the same people. And I wonder, like me, this is me wondering if this is like the brain control fungus that, you know, makes the mice suicidal with cats. Like, is this the beginning? Is this a last of us sitch? Are these cordyceps? I'd look, man. I don't know. I'm not a mycologist. Yeah. Look, okay. We'll normally talk about things like this. I've also eaten mushrooms a couple times in my life. One of them, kind of nothing happened. Yeah. The other time was one of the most amazing nights of my life. Okay. So, you know, you're ready to go. You're back in for more about 50 50 here. So, you know, I'd give it a shot. I mean, look, let's we need to go to China, find a market and buy some mushrooms. Sounds like a Patreon stretch goal to me. welcome to brad and will made a tech pod i'm will i'm brad brad we are we're doing something wild that's right it's unprecedented we had too many questions last month last week so i couldn't get through them all. Not quite as wild as eating unverified mushrooms, but two Q&As back to back is pretty close. Yeah, so we had a really, like for real, we had a really good crop of questions last month and we wanted to come in. And the month before. Yeah, and the month before. And we wanted to come in and hit more of them so they weren't lost to time. And here we are. Yes. Without further ado, if you have a question, you can send it to techpod at content.town or you can post it in the Discord in the Question Seeking Answers channel. And we will get it at the next episode. We will. I am getting an insane number of spam phone calls right now, like four at a time. So this is a new frontier. For half a second, I was like, wait, you're getting four phone calls at one time? It literally, I got a phone call notification, and then I got another phone call notification from a different number, and then I got a third phone notification from a third number, and a fourth one from the fourth number. The phone system's working great. Have you seen real quick the I don't want to spoil too much of the next land or watch cast next week. Wow. Have you seen the 74 Francis Ford Coppola film The Conversation starring Gene Hackman? No, really? That is not a Gene Hackman movie I've seen. You should maybe look that up. A sneakers comparison came up, but it's it's about surveillance in the 70s. OK. And if you want to see some pretty interesting like phone tapping technology and some stuff like that, I might recommend that film. Wow. This is fascinating. This. Wait, was that was enemy of a state a sleeper sequel to this movie? Maybe. I don't know. Because it has the same. The art on this is the same. I don't know. This one ends pretty definitively. Is this set in the Bay Area? Yes. This is also set in San Francisco. Oh, man. but just a lot of really interesting like analog surveillance technology in that movie that you would probably appreciate speaking of phone call a weird phone call situation well because i i feel like in uh enemy of the state doesn't he like he lives in a faraday cage right gene hackman does because he's he's he's in that too yeah he's he's absolutely wait isn't he that's a will smith film i think oh wait no gene hackman is in that gene hackman's like the like the crotchety old guy And I wonder. Oh, wow. That sure. Okay. Yes. That very much sounds like he could be playing a spiritual successor to the same character in the conversation. Yeah, this is wild. If it's like a crotchety old guy who's paranoid about information security. Different name. Henry R. Call in the conversation and Edward Lyle in Enemy of the State. Anyway, anyway, you want to see some cool phone hacking tech. Hell yeah. And some long range microphones and some other fun stuff like that. I could recommend that film. I wonder if we could build a laser microphone that you put at the glass window and look at the, you know. Huh. I bet that's probably pretty easy to do these days. Not to just keep spoiling my podcast, which will be up Monday for patrons on the next lander Patreon. But an entirely passive surveillance device used by the Soviets and invented by Leon Theremin. Oh, yeah. Of Theremin fame. Yeah, theremin fame, yeah. It came up at the end of that episode as well that I read up on a little bit. It's called, I believe the Wikipedia page is entitled The Thing. Okay. Like, I guess that's just kind of the colloquial name for this thing, also known as the Great Seal Bug, because they hid it inside a gigantic United States seal plaque that they presented to, I think, some ambassador. Yes, it was the U.S. ambassador to the Soviet Union in the 40s. They hid a passive listening device in this thing that had no power source because they were effectively bouncing radio waves off of it from remote location. That is wild. So they had like a cantana that they aimed at the radio at it to energize it. And then they were measuring the kind of modulations in the return radio waves that were bouncing off of it and then deriving sound from those changes. Wow. That's like planting a bunch of plants in a big hallway that react to, you know, people brushing up against them and then, you know, transmitting. Yeah. is that's wild or using wi-fi to track people's movements for that matter i mean that you can buy a thing for 50 bucks that you can do in your house right now that's depressing or cool or both i don't know it's both i mean it you know a little from column a a little from column b you could probably home assistant script some fun stuff around that you you absolutely can like you can you can write scripts for home assistant that let you that can tell when you've fallen asleep on the couch and turn off the lights no shit yeah oh man because it it has resolution that lets you tell the between sitting standing laying all that stuff i'm gonna be real it depends on how i'm living if i'm behaving well and going to bed at 10 o'clock like i should every night then this isn't a problem but sometimes i get into a rut of falling asleep on the couch i'm not waking up until it's like clockwork i wake up about 2 30 or 3 every night that i that this happens yeah and something that detected that and turned the lights off for me say like 11 or 12 would be kind of useful and you need like a little robot that comes out and like lifts your head up and jams a pillow under there and puts a blankie on you also that also good to go i think falling asleep on that couch is maybe not good for some ongoing nerve issues but anyway uh let's read some questions here yeah yeah i look brad i've reached the point now when i'm sitting in my chair and i think i'm about to fall asleep i'll just go up and go to bed because i'd rather take a nap that's probably bad and not jack up my neck for four days probably the thing to do i don't know am i regressing emotionally like i i feel am i am i turning into the you know the childish thing of just get angry when you're tired and don't want to do what you're told. I mean, we have some of that in my house. I'm annoyed that I'm tired and don't want to get up off the couch and go to the bed where it's an easier to sleep anyway. All right. Here's an email signed alpha. I was listening to episode three 18 and the topic of wills electric vehicle and range and charging came up. And I have a fun story about that as a proud owner of a Chevy bolt range Range anxiety is real when driving freeways when you get about half of the expected mileage unless you never go above 60 miles per hour. But on a recent trip to the mountains, the drive home blew my mind. Driving up the mountain turned a 90-mile drive into 200 used miles on the Bolt. After charging it up to about 200 miles of range, we left to drive home from Wrightwood at 6,000 feet elevation to Long Beach, California. we departed with 204 miles of range and got home with 225 miles remaining we actually netted 20 plus miles over a 90 mile trip due to battery regeneration while the bolt is the lowliest of evs on the market even this cheaper option has proven to be a complete game changer for me obviously a pretty unique situation but still cool as hell so i was gonna say i'm looking forward to my Google photos right now, but I had a day where we were in Tahoe and we came back and it wasn't wintertime. It was like the roads were clear and it was safe to regen the whole way down pretty hard. And I want to say we got like 80 miles per kilowatt hour on the downhill coming from 8,000 feet to 1,200 or 1,500 or whatever it is in the foothills. And yeah, same thing. It was fabulous. highly recommended uh not charging up all the way if you're at the top of a big giant mountain is that um is that regenerative braking or you well yeah do you have to manually engage the brake for that to happen or is that just taking your foot off the accelerator and letting it coast well it depends on the car so um if you're doing like one pedal driving then there's no taking your foot off the car oh i found the screenshot it's 51 11.8 miles per kilowatt hour going 70 miles an hour which usually you get like three to four oh wow there oh man that's crazy there's and then and then there's one screenshot five minutes later of 49.2 miles per kilowatt hour that seems like something that you could maybe end up obsessing over a little bit like kind of optimizing for the most possible efficiency of your car which i mean i guess that's kind of technically possible in a gas car in some ways as well but well you don't get the moment to moment read on the gas car like the gas is doing some interpolation like in the gas car you'd be going by feel right well and you you do your mileage and most modern gas cars have like a um a miles per gallonometer right um but but yeah the the direct feed of how it's going on a moment to moment basis makes me think about things like oh do i really want the heat on is it warm enough that i want the heater turned on because you know the heater in an electric car is isn't like a passive it's not using the warmth of the engine block to warm some water that warms the air in your cabin, it's turning on a heating element or a heat pump that, that turns it on. And that uses, that uses power and reduces your range. Um, I found in the bolt, I cared much more because charging that thing was a pain in the butt in the Ionic. It's much less of a, of a, uh, on, on road trips, it's much less of an issue because it's always 20 minutes to 80%. And, um, so I don't really worry about it as much now, but I will say is I do think about things like in the middle of summer if i'm driving to la and it's 125 degrees in the central valley if it makes more sense to go down 101 which is on the coast where it's 65 or 70 degrees all the time versus driving down five where everybody goes 80 miles an hour and like often it's faster to go the 30 miles the the longer way that you drive slower because you have fewer charge stops especially with the bolt where the charging time was so long. So anyway, that makes sense. Yeah. Dave and Sheffield got one red last week and another one red this week. Wow. Congratulations. It's a twofer from Dave. There's some network services and tools that I want to explore and learn partially for career learning, but also maybe to see if there's a point deploying them in my home lab. I can't decide, however, whether I should pick up a mini PC of some kind. I'm sure you're aware of the go-tos like the Lenovo ThinkCenter and tiny Dell Optiplex Micros or Raspberry Pi or an old NUC. Or should I just use my homemade Debian NAS to host VMs? It was made from old PC upgrades, so the Ryzen 5600X is extremely underutilized in it. I will say the cores on that thing are good for compiling software. The occasions that you need to do that. Yeah. Anyway, he goes on. what are the pros and cons? The VM solution is cheap slash free and I can spin up snapshots and tear them down easily. Again, that's on the 5600 X kind of the full size PC that he was talking about. The physical machine, meaning the mini PC is not going to break or be broken by a host. Physical machine would look cool in my mini rack on my desk. Is that really a good reason? So, uh, the principle of least functionality would suggest a NAS should be just that. and a VM host ought to be separate, but can use a storage from the NAS, what would you do? So this is the eternal question, right? And it's funny. I think we should do an episode where we touch it based on what's going on in our home lab soon. Yeah, I had a request from somebody on the Discord last week, I think, about stepping through my... So I've got almost exactly what Dave and Sheffield is talking about here. I have a just flat Debian PC with a bunch of hard drives in it as my NAS slash server now, and somebody had asked me to maybe, this is somebody who uses TrueNAS and was like, hey, I'm thinking about getting off of an appliance style OS like TrueNAS and just going straight Linux, but can you step through all the components of what makes a storage server go without a front end like that? So we might roll that into some kind of home lab update. Yeah, so I have a Synology NAS that's just a low power Intel machine. It's a little soft on the hardware transcode, so I don't actually host a lot of stuff on it natively, although I do host some lightweight stuff like my Ubiquity controller and some other stuff lives in Docker containers or Synology plugins. I think that my argument, depends on what the network service is, as to whether you should run it on its own hardware or whether you should run it in a VM, or I think a Docker container is also the third thing that you haven't really talked about here. um i i tend my policy generally speaking is that i start by putting it on one of the machines that's floating and available either that has docker running on it that i can put in the docker container or on the synology in the docker uh implementation on the synology and then if that's not enough juice for whatever the application is then i'll move it over to the to the dedicated either a dedicated Raspberry Pi or to something like my B-Link, which is a N10110, I think, or 102, or I can't remember. It's one of those low-power Intel kind of embedded-y slash mobile CPUs with like 16 gigs of RAM Yeah I don know what the recommendation is here because you and I have taken opposite tax on this because like I said my store server is a 12600K with 64 gig of RAM and 10 hard drives in it as I said ad nauseum That's like a million dollars worth of RAM at this point. It's ECC, too. Well, actually, you know what? I wonder if ECC is like relatively cheaper than the gamer, off the shelf gamer RAM where the demand is. I'm sure. If AI cares about ECC, they don't seem to care about lying. I certainly don't. Why would they care about flipped bits then? But I will say that it is the, I would say, overwhelming opinion of people on our Discord that separate NAS and separate VM host or server is the way to go. I think most people think kind of compartmentalizing that stuff is, I think that's probably mostly for maintenance, if I had to guess. It's mostly just like, hey, if your VM host dies, you don't have to worry about your storage also being down. that's yeah i think they're like potentially there are also security implications there of you know there's less of a barrier if like if service gets compromised on your server and storage is also all in that machine they probably have a quicker path to getting to the storage than they would if it was on a separate machine so like so i have to practice a lot of containerization and security barriers i guess i would say on my nas which you know we'll get into that next next time when we do that home lab thing yeah for me there's a lot of like what's the most what are the what are the things i want the most uptime on and i i tend to put those either on dedicated hardware um like home assistance on its own own uh home assistant yellow yeah the pie holes are on their own raspberry pies etc and then the other stuff like if the minecraft go server goes down it's really not that big it's a deal yeah that's exactly server goes down it's not a huge deal that is exactly it i would say look at what you're planning to run and anything that you would be annoyed if it was down for more than like 30 seconds do not put it on in fact i would not maybe wouldn't even put it on that little mini server i would do what you said and put it on like practically its own dedicated hardware yeah i think that the mini server has been pretty reliable like the one i have is fanless actually so there's really nothing to go wrong in it except for the ssd dying right um but i do i do the same thing like blocky and home assistant are basically the two here it's like home assistant's down my lights don't work yeah blocky is down internet doesn't work because there's no dns so stuff like that i run on raspberry pi's like that's good to separate that stuff out but you know it's like there are advantages to both yeah i would definitely look at docker though it's like i i will say i was a docker skeptic coming from bsd jails and having used it for a few years now like i'm i'm i don't know if i'm a believer but it's very convenient, especially for this kind of stuff. I also, and again, this is for the home lab episode, but I also, I was so used to using jails that jails and BSD are basically like a whole extra computer running. It's like a VM, except not a VM. It's not virtualized. It's just siloed off from the rest of the host. I clung to that methodology in Linux for, I think, longer than our Linux channel on the server would like. But I finally, they finally talked me into except instead of moving to Docker, what if you move to Podman instead? Oh, God. Well, I was just saying I would say if you're learning Docker, you don't know how to do Docker now, don't start with command line Docker. Just install Portainer, one of those things that lets you manage it from a web interface and makes it much more straightforward when you're learning. What if you not only started with command line, but you used the other tool besides Docker that is basically Docker compatible, except occasionally you'll run into a weird edge case. Yeah, see, I don't like edge cases, so I would say just run Docker and Portainer or whatever. There's a much lower overhead version of Portainer that's better for home labs than I can't remember what it's called, but yeah. Anyway, that's what I got. All right. Sticking with the Linux-y stuff here for a second. Here is an email from, did they sign this email? I don't think there's a name on this one. Oh, wait, hang on. Jay from the East Coast? Way down here, yes, Jay from the East Coast. There it is. It's a long year. I may not get into all of this too much, but here's a tip for you. Brad mentioned in a recent episode about how much Unix and by extension Linux command line stuff was still present in macOS. If you didn't know, I thought I'd mention PowerShell also aliases many Unix commands. This is not Windows subsystem for Linux or anything. This is a feature of PowerShell itself. Example, in PowerShell, if you type man ls, it automatically becomes get help get child item. so it translates the man the man page request for the ls command into that's wild yeah so how much powershell have you done none very little interesting well i mean powershell is like super interesting actually i don't love everything about it but some of the things that it's good at are really interesting so so i did do some powershell stuff to um to get builds i powershell ends up being a thing i have to do for build servers sometimes when i help somebody set up a build server for a game. Sure. Because that's all Windows and it's all Windows compilers and all that stuff. And PowerShell has deep hooks for that. Yeah. But it's very much a I know enough to be extremely dangerous and not you know expertise. You can do some pretty wild stuff with it. Like real quick just to in fact this touches on the question after this I was going to take but the most magical weird interesting thing about PowerShell is you know piping commands in Linux. You guys have talked about this on the Dilibu Diaries. Yeah, we love piping. Wait, is Adam piping now? No, Adam's not. I mean, I don't know. Maybe. I haven't asked him lately about if it's piping. For folks who don't know, piping commands in Unix and POSIX compliant terminals, I guess, right? Let's you take the output from the first command, put a pipe character, the vertical line in between it, and then it sends the output from one command into the input of the next command on that line. Right. So the difference with PowerShell is that with the POSIX shells, the classic Unix terminal that you're talking about, it's just a raw text stream. What you're sending to the next program is just plain text. In PowerShell, it's structured data. What, really? You could send like a JPEG? Well, no, no, no, no. So it's internally structured by PowerShell. So it's like if you get a directory listing, which is what get child item is, which they're aliasing to LS here. So like that's the dir, you know dir of the classic command prompt in dos like get child item is basically the dir of or the ls of powershell but when you're sending a directory listing and piping into the next thing you can i i like the vocabulary to describe this it's sending like i said a structured like a hierarchical list of like the file names the creation times the path like the parent path in a way that the next application can understand it so then you can use like you can like run methods against the the next like the that data in the next command that you're piping to to select for specific data or manipulate it or transform it do all kinds of crazy stuff it's really neat it's funny like i remember years ago when i was doing dbd rips there was a tool that now would be an easy powershell tool to make script to make that basically let you edit file names in a directory like a like a text file so you just open up a directory and you could rename the files just by moving up and down the document and saving at the end and it rewrote all the files to the file name changes um but yeah this that's wild i didn't know you could do stuff like that so so bulk um bulk rename is one of the big things i use powershell for for something like this you can do like you can use like regular expressions to replace parts of a bulk list of file names in a loop like that you can it's hard to explain unless you kind of see it in action but it's actually pretty powerful uh and i think it's wild it's pretty cool i i didn't know that um this was an intentional choice i always thought it was weird that all of a sudden in powershell like ls works and pwd works and stuff like that i assume that was part of microsoft's push to just make windows a little more friendly to linux people along with wsl trying to get those people over makes sense but although the last thing i'll say all those commands like get child item and get help like man and ls and linux are separate binaries you know those are actual compiled programs that live on your on your storage uh those are commandlets and powershell so like get child item those are not buying you're not running actual executables those are all just they're just part of the shell but yes they all run as functions of the shell they call them commandlets but there's like a bajillion of them built in uh all right actually going to scroll way down to discord questions here and read this RK Harris 62 question because I know he has been diving deep into Linux. I think he's a pretty recent desktop convert who I've seen popping up in the Linux channel quite a bit recently. What's the best shell and why? I use fish, but that's just because it's installed by default. Yes. When I, when I briefly tinkered with cashy, that was my first exposure to fish and i was like what is this so the thing about i think like my recommendation is bash just because like when you download a script for something for linux 99 of the time it's going to be a bash script yeah that's probably the definitely the safest place to start um the thing i will say is that even if you're using in one of the distros that ships something other than bash at least on cashy i can just type bash and then it dumps me in the exact same folder in the you know and i can run this the bash script from inside bash yeah even if you don't use yeah even if you don't use bash you should always have bash installed on a system just for compatibility reasons um i use zsh or z shell oh yeah which is pretty highly bash compatible is my understanding like it pretty much will run more or less the same scripts like they'd go out of their way to try to be compatible with bash but it has extra functionality to be frank the only reason I switched to it is because macOS stopped shipping bash like they default to ZSH and have for some years and for some stupid reason instead of just installing bash on my MacBook you did the new thing I then installed instead I went and installed ZSH on every other machine that needed a shell around here and continue to do so but anyway you know in ZSH you can use actual color names when you're coloring your prompt instead of having to look up the ANSI color codes which are impossible to remember i like the idea that you think i'm adjusting the colors of things in my bat in my in my terminal dude if you're not making a cool looking prompt what is even the point of using a unix i uh have chosen to spend my time in other other ways that's fine the thing i like about fish is that when i open fish when i open alacrity and fish is there it just gives me like it's real simple i have a carrot and then above the line where the where the prompt is it's just shows what the current working directory is so it's very straightforward yes i i also like um i can't remember what this is called uh there's a i have a little program that runs a it has like the cache logo and then system stats when i open a new shell window which i quite like so you do like cool stuff in your terminal i do but i you know not enough to um not enough to customize my dot files for the terminal yet to be honest i think i've talked about this before to be honest the color all the coloring in my prompt is actually functional it is username username is colored based on whether it's root or an unprivileged user ah host name is colored based on whether i'm on the host or a container oh that's nice pretty useful yeah i can see that a nice little visual reminder of where i am i don't i don't do a lot of containers on this machine but i do um like having yeah knowing whether i've sshed into another machine would be nice actually because i sometimes lose myself there that kind of stuff um the the one place the one thing i do want to do is sync my type ahead cache across all the computers i use oh like when i figure out the history file yeah the history file um that sounds complex no it turns out it's just a flat file so you just dump it you just run a script that pulls it from git when you turn on when you log into the computer it's it's it's complex if you have a machine that never gets signed out like if i leave my laptop on all the time that makes it complicated sure but um uh yeah people i googled why do people use the fish shell and um the main thing is that the defaults are good is what people say have you have you been to the fish home page no is it cool the tagline at the top is finally a command line shell for the 90s okay that's amazing i'm not sure if that's like some some uh self-aware like goofy marketing or if this has actually been around since the 90s and they just never changed it i do not think it's been around since the 90s given that version 3 released in 2021 say that but you might be surprised i mean you might be surprised maybe how old some stuff that you think is like i think z ZSH is from the 90s, if I'm not mistaken. ZSH has been around forever, yeah. I'm not seeing when the very first release of Phish happened here. They don't have dates on their release pages. Wait, I really want to know now. Oh, they don't. Yeah, you're right. They don't. Hold on. Version 2.1.2 came out in 2015, so it's probably not actually from the 90s. Phish beta R2 started in 2012. Yeah. There's a bug from 2012 in their GitHub. Okay, their point is taken. Yeah. also the I do I do love that the web page commits to 90s straight 90s style I mean it's not because there's no there's no tables or frames yeah but this could have been a mid 90s web page late 90s web page sure um real quick not to turn this whole episode in terminal shell talk but um power shell shell talk power shell is available for everything you can get it on linux and mac os as well good thank you I've occasionally back when I used to use a power shell script to process podcasts. I ran PowerShell on macOS just for that. And then I rewrote it in Python. I will say the running the build servers not on Windows would have been really nice every time I've set up a build server. And if PowerShell gets you there, that would be dope. I don't know what the Unreal Linux compiling situation is these days. Last thing I'll say real quick, if you want to check out that structured data piping concept that I mentioned for PowerShell but not in PowerShell, there's also a new shell. Have you seen that? No. I haven't touched it in a couple of years, but it's N-U-S-H-E-L, which is primarily for Linux and Unix likes, although I think you can get it for Windows and Mac as well. It does the same thing, though. But it uses more traditional Unix-style command line commands, but also structures the data that you're piping to other commands so you can select for things. That's interesting. Here's a great example, actually. I'll just read this command line from the top of their homepage. you can go to new shell.sh if you want to see what I'm talking about. Like you run an LS, which is just a directory listing, right? And you pipe it and then there's a where keyword, which is some kind of like comparison operator basically. So you're piping LS to where size greater than 10 megabytes. So because it has a size column in the structured data, it's piping about the directory listing. It's able to select for files of or over a certain size as they're doing there. and then and after that they're piping it to sort by modified so like basically it knows a bunch of metadata about the files you're working with so you can you can filter and and modify by different parameters instead of just trying to parse a giant block of text every time you pipe and it has plugins so presumably you can add plugins for data types that it doesn't know out of the box that's cool yeah it's some cool stuff going on with shells these days also i think it's 10 megabits on the example that they have there, Brad? Maybe. I don't know. No, you can see it in the screenshot. Well, yeah. It's capital B. Actually, sorry, it's not megabytes. It's mebibytes. Megabytes. Yeah, but I think in the line it says lowercase m, lowercase b, which is millibits. I don't know. They might need to work on their syntax a little bit. Yeah, I got issues with new shell. They're on my list again. Anyway, all right. Maybe enough shell talk for now. Actually, sorry I meant to read this earlier since we were talking about racking mini PCs and stuff. Zed writes in with the growing popularity of 10 inch racks has Brad considered buying building or printing one to scratch that power efficient home labbing itch. When they say 10 inch rack do they mean 10 inch wide or 10 inch tall? I think wide but I could be wrong. So it's like a rack for little guys. It's like a little rack to go on your desk. The short answer is no. The longer answer is that it's not so much the rack I actually desire the rack is more symbolic of a basement it's it's less it's less having the rack and more having space where a rack could go i don't i don't know yeah because to be honest with you it is i mean i would love to have a rack don't get me wrong but it needs to be 42 you for one thing i mean not really but that would be nice yeah but the real goal is to get this fucking server and all this other shit out of this office where i never have to hear it again well like a full-size machine with 10 hard drives five feet away is kind of actually pretty loud yeah i just i wouldn't do that and it and it there's so much cable mess behind this desk and like there's just so much extra routing of cables and other considerations the ups is overloaded because there's too many machines in one room like it's just on and on yes i want a rack a 10 inch rack would not actually solve the problem if i just want all this crap out of here and in a room where I never have to see or hear it. The thing, the thing, the other thing is, I don't know that I would put my computer stuff in the basement. Maybe not, actually. I'm going to be real based on the stuff that's gone on in my parents' basement over the last 18 months. I literally said to my mom on the phone last weekend, like, everything you guys have dealt with might be telling me I should never own a house with a basement, actually. Yeah, I mean, look, basements are fraught. Ask our friend Vinny about his basement. It's like they're up and down. Sometimes basements are great. Sometimes not so much. My parents' basement in the house that I grew up in was fine for the 30 years that we lived there. Same. The moment somebody bought it, it rained real bad and flooded almost immediately. So like also there was a sump in there the entire time and I assume it was doing some work that maybe we weren aware of Yeah Anyway 10 racks are neat if you got stuff to go in them I can see why They certainly would be nice to sit on the corner of the desk if you have a NUC and a router and little doohickeys of that nature. That's a nice way to organize them. I'd rather just put in a big pile in my garage shelf and not have to look at it. Yeah. Well, garage also works, except there seemed to be some thought on the discord that. Oh, yeah. Your Raspberry Pi three's demise may have been hastened by its exposure to the elements. I got my $40 worth out of that machine over the last 10 years. Yeah. I mean, the answer is a climate controlled garage. Yep. Yeah. Yes. Or a shed, perhaps. I guess you got to climb control the shed, too. Yeah. yeah you say that but like i actually looked at it and was looking at what it would cost for me to build a backyard shed like make porous lab myself and and build like a 15 by 10 foot or 15 by 15 foot as a square shed like i can't legally put power on it that's hooked up to the mains without getting it without talking to the county and doing a whole bunch of stuff but i can legally put a bunch of panels and a battery on there and uh and it all lives within the realm of of possibility so maybe that's my maybe that's a 2027 project 2026 project is brad and will made a tech shed uh-huh um might anyway i might need a little more land for that unfortunately well i mean what i'm saying is you can come down and help me build mine and then have limited access to it that is true yeah actually by by limited access do you mean can i just put my my long fantasized about friend cloud backup solution in there yeah you're off off offset backup and i just give you the raspberry pi with four hard drives hooked up to it backup just keep i think eight miles is enough of geographical separation look if both of us get wiped out you're not going to care if your data's gone yep frankly yes yeah uh all right and man the latency would be real good it'd be fine do that backup um i'm gonna i'm gonna throttle your network connection though just fyi that's fine well you know i mean realistically i guess you would only really ever need to downstream your downstream is all that would ever matter because you'd only be backing up to the other person and presumably never actually pulling data back off of it unless yeah and if you need to pull data back off of it i'll bring you the hard drives or you can come get the hard drives miles away i can just come get them yeah that's that's like that's like a good distance actually because then you know like the you don't have to email somebody the hard drives for an off-site backup because that bad is a point of failure in itself if you have to send the only remaining copy of the data in the mail across the country that could easily disappear. Well I like this idea a lot. I think this is a good idea. I think we should build a shed. Just gotta get the shed first. Let me talk to my wife. She's gonna be thrilled. She can have the office back. Let's see. Here's a question from John Bob that I'm kind of interested in. What are the downsides to keeping my iPhone on battery saver mode all the time? I made a shortcut automation to turn it on when the phone stops charging. And now my phone seems to use less than half as much battery as normal. The only thing I've noticed is that photos wait to sync to iCloud until the phone is plugged in to charge. Yeah, I don't think there's a downside, really. I mean, I think it does pause a lot of other background tasks like the iCloud syncing. I don't know if it actually goes out of its way to tell you what those are. It turns off the always on screen is the big one. Oh, do you use that? I think I've mentioned I got an iPhone 17, right? Oh, I turned off. because it's an OLED screen and those are still prone to burn in. I turned off the always on screen for that reason. If my iPhone burns in, I'm going to make him replace it. Well, I also, I've got time. We should, we might do an episode. We might do an Apple update episode since I've got a, not a notch, but in a dynamic island in my life now. It's nice, isn't it? And the AirPods are also pretty life-changing. We might be a little hands-on. Here's my first new phone in a while. so soon but but yes uh here's i'm i'm looking at the list of things that they turn off when you do this do they actually spell they have a they have a list on their on their it's en-us 101604 on their support site yeah i'm looking at it and uh uh 5g uh turns off on most devices that aren't the iphone 12 and 13 which i wonder if this is just out of date that my guess is yeah this was last updated no december 3 um auto lock defaults to 30 seconds display brightness is reduced which will suck if you're outside the big one for me is that if you have a greater than 60 hertz phone or ipad it turns the refresh rate to 60 hertz yes i was gonna say even my even my my super old i my ipad pro from 2017 which has like 45 minutes of battery life now uh that thing hits low battery mode all the time and yes the screen refresh is noticeably worse and that's a kind of a deal breaker because what's the point of getting the promotion screen if it's not on i don't mind only downloading stuff at night if i could if i could have a feature that lets me only sync stuff to the cloud when it's plugged in i would 100 turn that on like honestly the real bummer about this feature is that they don't expose these options in a more granular way so you can turn some on and not others the other thing is the background app refresh for the apps that don't use the notification based refresh but like have a timer that turns let's let tells the os to turn them back on and off yeah that's that's also won't work so things like um i want to say the nest app used to do that where if you um left the service the area around your house it would set your thermostat to away and stuff like that but um but yeah i i like if you don't mind the refresh rate thing i don't there's no downside to turning it on it's gonna make your battery last a lot longer because you'll do fewer charge cycles i absolutely turn it on like if i'm on a trip or something i don't want of bringing my watch charger i absolutely turned my watch into low power mode the moment i take it off the charger in the morning i'm leaving yes i have um i have used this on my phone a few times when i knew i was going to be out all day i wanted to make sure i had a lot of charge um but you know not a lot of downsides i guess i have to say like i have my iphone usually is set to cap at the cat stop stop charging at 80 um oh that was one of the things i was going to ask was i've been debating should i just put it to 80 like is is the 80 a hard limit or like is 85 okay 90 okay like is it just not charging to full that is the key i mean i think the more you charge it the full the worse it is my understanding of how the battery chemistry works okay i i don't even on days when i leave the house i'm i'm usually plugging in in the car while i'm on the way to and from someplace because i use car play so it's it's really only an issue when i'm doing something that involves me being away from a charger or my desk at home for extended periods of time. I've been very impressed with the battery life on the 17 so far. Like I kind of only charge it every other day right now. It's really battery life on the phone is really not a problem anymore. It's gotten real good. Okay. This is a fascinating question. This is an excellent question from Magic Joe F. What will be the first hundred year old piece of code still used in production? Samba. I'm not sure I'll quite make it to see. Maybe if I'm part robot. Maybe NTP, actually. Yeah, or my first thought was some aspect of the TCP IP stack. I bet that's relatively new, though. That's like a 90s thing. That's from the 80s, yeah. It was designed in the, or maybe even the late 70s that it was designed. But I mean, there are different implementations of it, of course. You know, like different OSs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. NTP was written in 81. Okay. But of course, I mean, that's the same thing. Every protocol was defined at a point in time, but then they are implemented in different actual code paths. Yeah, that's true. Different, like it's harder to say, like whose specific implementation of one of these technologies is still going to be around and kicking. I don't know. It's a fascinating question. I'm not really super qualified to answer it. I mean, what about like COBOL and FORTRAN, though? Those are maybe actually, there's got to be, assuming there's still a planet in 50 years i don't think the cobalt portland stuff there's gonna be some some government server around somewhere running some old cobalt um yeah i mean look well i don't think the voyager probes are going to make it that long sadly oh yeah yeah they're running on 50 year old code at this point yeah yeah yeah so we're halfway there um i mean i don't know that anybody runs cobalt anymore i i feel like you still see uh like calls for engineers that know those languages here and there occasionally like there's still like government payment systems and start banking stuff that relies on that here and there like oh you know another another contender is the saber system that's used for booking airline tickets that's been uh the travel reservation system it was originally built for pan am by ibm in the 60s um or american airlines rather um and uh it's it's the thing that it's the terminal that travel agents log into when they book plane tickets still so like i don't know that i'm sure that they've ship of theseus that thing enough at this point but it also still feels really the other thing is banking banking system has ancient code in it too that's that's what i was getting at yeah i don't know that's a tough one but that's i would love to hear um ideas in the discord from people who are more you know professionally engaged with this subject on this topic this is almost a question for like somebody at the computer history museum yes it absolutely is Yeah. You know how they booked airplane tickets before they had the computer system, right? Travel agents called the airline and the airline had like a card catalog style series of drawers for each each drawer represented one flight and it had sections. so you could buy a seat like each section was a different day in the drawer and you'd literally put a fucking three by five card in the drawer when somebody bought a seat to know that that seat was no longer available that sounds totally infallible yeah that is totally wild there's one other thing i want to mention really quick since you mentioned um like voyager voyager is the one that has left the solar system right well one asterisk you know or you know has it's furthest past the heliopause i don't know if it's like fully outside the sun's influence or whatever but yeah it's in the interstellar medium it's you know they they keep they're playing like the the how many instruments can we still run on three tenths of a watt or whatever they're the radio isotope or reactor on that thing is still giving it's it's a it's an amazing piece of technology and it is far there was a documentary about that exact subject that i really want to highly recommend called it's quieter in the twilight oh okay which is for some reason a name i just cannot remember to save my life. I watched this documentary like three years ago. We should maybe think about watching it for this show. It's actually appears to be on free on YouTube movies and TV free with ads. I just pulled up. I'll link it in the show notes actually but it is entirely about it's about the Voyager mission but it's actually really about the people who have spent literally their entire careers working on the Voyager mission because it is such a long I might have brought this up before because it is such a long mission. Yeah It necessitates people that were working on it at the beginning of their careers, unless they've moved on to other roles, are still working on it at the end of their career. Like they spent their entire professional lives on one mission. It's wild. And it's about half and half engineering stuff because they get into a ton of detail about how they are to this day still shunting and balancing power from other systems just to keep the core functionality going. Yeah. So they can talk to it for a few minutes a day or whatever. but the other the other side of it is this like incredibly poignant uh like human look at the the people themselves and like what what is very clearly like real loss that they are experiencing as this thing moves toward no longer responding yeah like it's like very clearly like in touching these people very deeply that this thing is going to stop responding at some point so you're like it's a it's a really really well done thing there was a lovely article around the time that i want to say i want to say voyager to reach the heliopause because i think it was the first first one to cross that kind of threshold about somebody who started as an intern on the voyager projects in the 70s and is like holding off retirement to to you know to bring it home and it's wild that person might be in this documentary for all i know because because you get the sense that some of them are still hanging around just because they're so personally invested in it. Somebody who's mostly worked on things that take between three to four weeks and a couple of days to make, the idea of working on something for 50 years is incredible. I can't even wrap my head around game development. Even just spending one to five or six years on a single product is incomprehensible to me. I was talking to somebody the other day who's getting ready to start pre-production on a new project and they were like, what do you think? Is this long enough for pre-production? I was like, look, man, I'm the wrong person to ask on this. The vast majority of my career, everything, I would work on 55 things in the space of a typical 12-month pre-production for a big AAA game. Yes, online media will kind of break your brain in terms of production cycles on things. It is just a constant churn. Let's see. A couple more here. Pronk might be a first time questioner. I don't remember that. That's a pretty good name. Yeah, I don't remember that username before. Brad mentioned owning a Google TV on the podcast. Is that an actual television or a box like an Apple TV? Googling it on the internet, it sounds like maybe Google released physical TVs and a box and an OS all called Google TV. I'm curious what made it interesting compared to the other options back when Brad bought it and is it still supported? So in my case, Google TV is just the interface on my smart TV. Yeah. Like I have a high sense television and it just happens to have Google TV built into it. But Google TV in this case is just a platform. Like other TVs will have Roku, for example. Right. Yeah. Or LG's LG's has their own, their version of Palm OS that they turned into a TV or Web OS actually. Web OS is what it's called. Yeah. Thank you. Of course, in their case, that one's proprietary. They don't farm that one out to other TVs, just theirs. But there are TVs on the market that have Amazon Fire TV on them instead. don't buy those also don't buy Roku's frankly they're they're they're real spy I yes okay my my girlfriend got a Roku for free from some promotion and it was fine for that but yeah if I was I was paying the money with all the ads on there and the data collection and stuff I would probably get something else nothing no single device has lit up my pie hole like the Roku did oh yeah but but but yeah so I I looked into it a little bit I believe this used to be called Android TV? Yeah, so they've had multiple ways it goes at this. Android TV launched in like 2013 or 2014. We did some coverage of it. They had an early version that they shipped with Sony when we were still in the Whiskey Media basement in like 2011 or 2012. Okay. It had maybe, it was right around the same time the Apple TV came out with the first simplified remote, like the, hey, we have four buttons, like a five-way D-pad and a couple of other buttons and a volume control. And then Sony had a thing that had like 150 buttons a full keyboard and two kind of circular five-way d-pads on it for some reason um that didn't last very long uh unsurprisingly i could see that uh the updated google tv so android tv then shipped a newer version on devices like the shield the nvidia shield and is this also the same interface that's on a chromecast so chromecast is different most chromecasts in the early days didn't have an interface oh they were just a place that you could cast stuff to so it It was like, I think you plugged into an HDMI port and then you could send something to that. And when you disconnected, it just turned the TV back off. Oh, interesting. The new, more modern Google Chromecasts have like remotes and interfaces and stuff, though, because it turns out being able to run apps on the device and not have it connected to your phone is what people want. Yeah. I think the Google TV TVs are pretty good. I don't think Google ever actually sold a TV for what it's worth. I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. I will say for my part, the OS running on the TV was the last consideration I had when I bought the TV. I bought the TV based on its hardware specs and price. It just happened to have Google TV on it, which has been okay. I don't hate it, hate it, and it's not my favorite. We don't need to get into the ins and outs of it necessarily, but it's been adequate, but I am still pretty happy to move to an Apple TV in the near future. From the exposure I've had to them in Airbnbs and stuff, the Roku TV is my least favorite. The Google TV is fine. The LG WebOS thing is quite nice, but I'd rather have an Apple TV than any of those. Yeah. Yes. That's where I'm at. Every time I go back to my parents' house and they have an Apple TV, I am like, what am I doing to myself? Well, frankly, I'll tell you when we go, you know, my daughter's homeschooled. So we can sometimes go on a little bit of a longer trip and we'll stay someplace for like a month or 28 days or something. and i often just grab the apple tv from the from the um entertainment center and take it with us when we go someplace well i mean plug it into the tv and then our stuff just comes with us it's quite nice even even like ux aside uh that thing is small enough that it's worth the extra clutter just to not have to like sign into apps on a different device like to just plug a thing in and go i think it's also well it's there's also a pretty good cottage industry in uh both cast and 3D printed things that will screw into the VESA mounts on your TV that will hold the Apple TV just on the back of the TV so you don't have to look at it. Yep. Man, I might think about getting one of those actually. Yeah. I see I guess radio signals go through TVs just fine right Glass and plastic these days I see Yeah fair I guess there actually not a ton of metal in there I see people putting their consoles standing up behind their TVs a lot. That's where my PlayStation is when it's in the living room. I always feel like there's too much metal in the TV for that to be reliable for the controller signal, but I guess it's fine. It's fine. Bluetooth's pretty robust. Yeah, fair. Let's do another one more quick pair of questions. Okay. And then get out of here fishy j do we know when we can expect the panther lake replacement for the n150 processor i don't think it's going to be panther lake for the n150 replacement so i didn't either i thought so wildcat lake is the code name we're talking about here yeah and i agree i thought it was going to be a nova lake kind of derivative but is it is it panther lake really it is panther lake i was surprised as well so i was really hoping for more information on that thing out of ces and what we got out of CES was one Intel slide deck that got uploaded to the Intel media center that had a slide at the end of it that just happens to mention Wildcat Lake in a table of different Wildcat and Panther Lake SKUs. So unfortunately, there's no information about when it's coming out, unfortunately. I will say the specs they put out in this slide are pretty much almost exactly what has been rumored. for the last six months or whatever. It is compared to the N100 and N150, which I think are basically four E cores. It's four cores. I think the first gen one is before they did P and E cores, if I recall. So Wildcat Lake is going to be two performance cores, or sorry, two performance cores, two P cores, and four LPE cores. Yeah, the LPE ones are the ones that the cores live on the on the ios is the ios controller yeah yeah because um intel typically puts all their cores on a separate compute tile so they can all talk to each other but yes now they're doing these low power e cores that are on a separate tile from the big ones so on this one it looks like it's running running on the compute the compute and jeep so on panther lake the compute tile is one thing that has the p cores and the e cores there's an io tile that has like the npu and the and the lp cores and all the io stuff the pci express lanes the memory controller all that stuff and then there's a third gpu tile uh that lives outside of both of those other things on this it looks like the infrastructure is a compute slash gpu tile that has both the p cores and the LPE cores as well as the NPU and two XE3 you know the non-celestial what's it called starts with a B battle mage cores all on one 18A tile and then there's a platform controller tile with the PCI express lanes not many probably presumably for NVMEs it's a 6 PCI gen 4 lanes some Thunderbolt ports, some USB 3.2 and 2 and then Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and those are all living on the platform tile which is they say built on an external process so the good like it's 18A it's not the same compute ties and IO ties as the as the Panther Lake. The big Panther Lake. I think that's fine if it's still if it's still on the new process. I am I am tentatively very bullish about Wildcat Lake for many PCs and little servers. I mean, I am kind of I've been talking about this for like a year. I am dying to get my hands on one of these as a router. Yeah. Slash kind of little home networking server. I mean, look, if they if it lives up to the to the kind of history, the N100, which is the Alder Lake version of this was for Gracemont e-course. You were right. It was e-course. Yeah. And 16 up to 16 gigs of RAM. yeah like it's it's a really nice for a little home home server router or something like that and always on machine and to put it in a little bit more desktop context those cores the alder lake e-cores on that n100 both talking to people at intel and looking at benchmarks and stuff those are like in the ballpark of the 6700k 6500k yeah which is like granted is now a 10 year old cpu but like it's still that's a lot of cpu heft for the tiny size of of an n100 it's a ton of lift for five watts right and so the gpu kind of sucks in the in that one specifically so but so but so now with wildcat lake we're talking about i don't know how many generations newer e cores but like the intel whoever's doing the e cores at intel is on some shit like they've been on one because like they have been putting up like serious ipc gains generation over generation well so the lpe ones will probably be a little you should temper your your expectations maybe so maybe so that's yeah i I thought they were just more or less equivalent to E cores, but maybe not. Depends on how they're, how it depends on how they're like, how they're devote giving power to them. Honestly, is my understanding. That's fair. Right. Yeah. There's still some, you know, numbers remain to be seen on how exactly how this is going to stack up, but tentatively seems very promising for something like a home router for, for home lab type stuff. Like I'm, I've been waiting to upgrade the B link machine. That is my NAS, that it has like game servers and plex and stuff on it because i'm waiting for this particular part so i've been putting off buying an n100 for a while because i mean a i don't like desperately need one my router still works fine for the time being but but also i kind of wanted to wait for this anyway now i'm telling you i'm looking at intel site i searched for wildcat lake and the first result is a software download for the display virtualization virtualization drivers for Wildcat Lake Beta. Really? From December 14th, 2025. Yeah. If you're, oh, interesting. So if you're a Pharonix reader, probably the most exhaustive Linux news site on the internet. Intel has been adding some Wildcat Lake bits to the Linux kernel for a little bit now. So it does seem like it's on the way. I was surprised to see apparently the first, dude, I can't keep track of Intel's branding. is it core ultra 300 is that the new core ultra 300 is panther lake that's panther lake right yeah okay so the first panther lake stuff is shipping like now right like well the embargo was up the other day like we had we cut we talked about in the full nerd this week right right so that that kind of caught me by surprise i don't think wildcat lake is part of this initial wave it is not uh but yeah i'm hoping that it's as you can probably tell like i care more about this thing than i do the actual panther lake yeah my guess is that they'll that they'll the wildcat lake stuff will sneak out later this year yeah like i and who knows how long after that before the the mini pcs of the world start switching to it assuming they even do uh i'm not 100 sure all this is going to pan out the way i want it to but it it always takes longer than you want for them to show up in like the 300 b links and stuff like that and even then are they going to start shipping ones with 10 gigabit networking in them right away probably not like it could be a while before I guarantee you that mini's forum as soon as they get this is going to put it in something that you can use for a home ladder. Yeah, you're probably right. Like that is 100% their bread and butter. Like my excitement here is a chip that is potentially as fast as we're talking about fabbed on a process that is hopefully as low power as we think 18A is going to be. With 10 gigabit LAN built into it. Especially as we talk a lot about pulling your Wi-Fi out of your router. like this kind of could be the last router i ever buy until it dies yeah because who's going to have a connection in their house faster than 10 gigabit anytime soon for the next couple decades nope so it's literally like get this thing and configure it and then buy another router maybe so the question is would you rather have a uh i mean also with with six pci express lanes you'd have room for a half you know two lanes of nvme or four lanes of nvme and two lanes of nick yeah so like you could put an sfp card or something like that in there too yeah sure yeah there's there's options seems like a lot of potential with this platform i'm excited yeah it's cool it's a good lake yes okay well speaking of good lakes last question real quick here from dc actual Do we know why everything at Intel is Lake? Yeah, they've done this forever. It used to be places in Oregon, I think. Oh, is that where like Nahalem and stuff like that came from? Yeah, that's what Nahalem and Airmont and all those were. Okay. The Lake stuff started. I don't know when the Lake stuff started. Sky Lake is the first one I remember, but I'm sure there were some before that. I think there were before Sky Lake for sure. actually wikipedia as always has a handy table here god going back to the early 90s yeah of intel wow they use planets for a long time apparently that was before i care would you a trail bay trails code name was bay lake apparently that was motherboards would you would you like to know what the intel batman was what was the intel batman it was a uh it was an Intel Premiere PCI motherboard socket for 430 LX chipset. That's wild. I need to look up more about the Intel Batman. They also have an Intel Batman's revenge. God, there was a 2006 Bear Lake chipset for motherboards as well. I don't know why they started using lakes. I think they ran out of other. I want to say they ran out of mountains is what they started with. I would believe that. I am looking rock lake in 2003 was a motherboard, but it looks like they did not use another lake until battle lake. The annoying thing to me is that they have families for their process, for their architectures. And then they code name the sub chips in the families as well. So like Nehalem is a family with like 150 processors in it. Right. and it's named after either the town of Nahalem in Tillamook County or the Nahalem River. It's unclear. Okay, they've been using lakes off and on for a while, even before the CPUs. I think they started the lakes with Alder Lake is the modern interpretation of the lake to me. But like there was a Diamond Lake in 2006, which was a controller ASIC at the center of the Robson flash cache technology. Oh, that's the one I was thinking about. Yeah, of course. Everybody knows Diamond Lake. Berg Lake turbo memory module in the Robson flash cache. I think you're right. Let me see. Sky Lake. More than you ever wanted to know about lakes. Yeah, Sky Lake. I think Sky Lake was the beginning of the Intel CPU Lake trend. Sky Lake, KB Lake, Cannon Lake, Coffee Lake. My guess is they do it because there's a lot of lakes out there. There are a lot of lakes in the part of the country where the headquarters and stuff are. Like there are, I I bet there are like way more lakes than you think out there. They're probably never going to run out of lakes and coves, lakes and coves. So there's an article that's copied and pasted into this Reddit thing, into this Reddit article, because the original source is gone now, but they, the code names are all things that the, the bucket category for their code names, according to one of their, to Jeff trip, who was Intel senior strategic planner, whenever this article was written, is that it's all geographical place names from the North America. Okay. That checks out. And they tend to skew towards Oregon where the design team is. Yep. And that goes all the way back to the 90s. It was like with Tillamook and all of the early Willamette and all those. Yeah. I think some of them, one of these, I actually looked up one of these lakes a while back is in Canada, if I'm not mistaken. Still North America. Yeah, fair. All right. I think that's it. That's it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think a part of this is that Microsoft didn't Microsoft get in trouble for naming an OS Chicago or something at some point because of the musical. So did they really? Well, I thought so. Chicago was the code name for Windows 95. Yeah. But it was just a code name. I don't surely they can trouble for that. Could they? So this is another quote from that article. Yeah, it's down here later. That's weird. The Intel engineering team decided on a code name, but then you run into legal problems with your code name so for example microsoft had a problem with the chicago so intel learned that your code name should be something that not many people care about you don't have to go and fight the mayor of chicago because you're using the name of their city for one of your products weird i think we should um i think we should probably find out about this chicago problem that microsoft had and maybe that seems topical maybe i i just i'm i'm still a little too fixated on the intel batman i'm sorry yeah well i mean look that was probably was it 89 was that was early 90s okay so it was joel schumacher batman era probably yes let me see batman everybody loves the most 93 i don't know forever was out yet 93 was when i was in high school i feel like i got mcdonald's cups for the third one the one with the uh uh 95 ah that man forever was 95 so that was that the fourth one is that the third one third one the third one was called forever yes it really messed that up huh yeah and well anyway uh i think that's as good a place as i need to wrap it up for this week thanks everybody for listening we appreciate each and every one of you um if you would like to find out how to support the show we are a hundred percent listeners supportive chains we would not be here without you our our trusted and faithful listeners um you can go to patreon.com slash tech pod. 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Thanks, everybody, and thanks for your ongoing support. We appreciate all of you. We do. We will be back next week with another edition of the TechPod. Hey, this is a... This is... Let's... Should we tease something? Yes. We should say that if you were feeling like you would maybe like to watch Halt and Catch Fire... Uh-huh. And then listen to us talk about it. And then listen to us talk about it. Probably a good time to start thinking about that. Yeah. Yeah. No specific date in mind yet, but it could be soon. It might be the March of Halt and Catch Fire. Who knows? We'll see. After talking about this for three or four years, I think, at this point. Well, so there's a monkey wrench in the plan because I talked to somebody who's a fan of the show today and also has a lot of knowledge of that era of computers. Okay. And he was like, actually, the fourth season is the best season. Huh? And I was like, well, I was kind of interested in the story of the bias. He's like, okay, well, then you're going to like the first season. Okay. But they tried to Mad Men the first season. So like from a actual, is this a good show or not? It's maybe a little more Mad Men than the later seasons, which are actually quite good. Okay. Yeah. Well, I guess my biggest question is how computery it remains beyond the first season. My question is, I've only watched the first season, so I don't know. We'll find out. Okay. So you've seen the whole thing, so you can vouch that it is worth watching and talking about. The first season is rad. I think I kind of, from my perspective, I'm actually in the process right now of looking for a book that I can read that's about the same topic that's a non-fictional book. Okay. And I want to see, I want to read that so that at the same time we're talking about it, we have some actual historical data to compare. Yeah. For people who don't know, and correct me if I'm wrong, like this is basically a sort of semi-fictionalized retelling of the rise of Compaq and the reverse engineering of the IBM PC, correct? That's what the first season is about. Yeah. Okay. Yes. I have to see this. Yeah. So, so yeah. And for folks who don't know, we'll talk about in the future because it's a fascinating topic. Is it like, do they use the name Compaq and like names of the actual people? I don't remember. Is it more dramatized and fictionalized than that? Look, all I know is that they specifically, the company that is Compaq specifically hires someone so they have deniability that they reverse engineered the BIOS and lock them in a room with an ibm pc and tell them to figure it out and they're like and like that's like the first episode so kind of kind of remarkable to me that a show about that got made well it was in the wake of madmen so you know okay sure amc was flush they're just i'm just looking for other period period appropriate business stories they got to get a lot of period pieces with guys in weird suits smoking yep smoking and womanizing oh that's right uh um yeah the empire is in it Empire. Oh, you haven't watched Foundation, huh? Oh, I haven't waited. Empire. Lee Pace? Lee Pace is who I was going to say. That's right. I was going to say I'd forgotten that Lee Pace is in this, which is dreamboat. Very exciting. Yeah. That guy's wild. All right. If you like Lee Pace and you haven't watched Foundation, you are missing out, man. You should probably check that out. That is some top-notch Lee Pace. Anyway, thanks for listening. Bonus extra content after the pod. But yeah, watch Help and Catch Fire And we'll talk about it in a couple months And that'll do it for us this week As always, please consider the environment Before pinching this podcast