Jalen Rose & God Shammgod on Fab Five & NIL, Kobe Bryant, Rucker Park & ‘Meal Ticket’ doc
91 min
•Mar 3, 2026about 2 months agoSummary
Fat Joe, Jada Kiss, and God Shammgod discuss their rise from Harlem streets to NBA/music success, covering the Fab Five's NCAA treatment, NIL compensation, systemic inequities in sports and music, and the lasting impact of playground legends like Rucker Park on basketball culture.
Insights
- Media narratives systematically misrepresented the Fab Five as unintelligent despite academic achievement, demonstrating how institutional bias shapes public perception of Black athletes
- Salary caps exist only in Black-led sports (NBA/NFL) while white-dominated sports (baseball, golf, tennis) operate without them, revealing structural remnants of exploitative systems
- The Sham God dribble became a cultural artifact that transcended its creator, showing how street innovations achieve permanence when adopted by NBA players and taught to youth
- Artist compensation models mirror NCAA exploitation: creators generate billions in revenue while earning minimal direct compensation, creating systemic wealth extraction
- Mentorship and community accountability from street figures often provided more practical guidance than institutional systems, challenging narratives about 'legitimate' success pathways
Trends
NIL compensation legitimizing athlete monetization while salary caps still limit earnings in majority-Black sports leaguesStreaming platforms replicating NCAA exploitation model with artists earning minimal per-stream revenue despite billions in platform valuePlayground basketball legends achieving lasting cultural impact through NBA adoption and youth coaching rather than professional playing careersCross-industry pattern of Black creators/athletes generating disproportionate value while ownership and distribution remain concentratedMentorship-based knowledge transfer in hip-hop and basketball communities operating outside formal institutional structuresMedia's role in constructing false narratives about Black excellence to justify systemic exclusion and undercompensationGenerational wealth gaps in entertainment driven by lack of ownership stakes and distribution control for artists and athletesMcDonald's All-American as cultural signifier and pathway indicator for NBA success, creating measurable prestige hierarchy
Topics
NCAA Athlete Compensation and NIL RightsSystemic Racism in Sports Salary StructuresRucker Park Basketball Culture and Street LegendsMusic Industry Artist Compensation ModelsFab Five Documentary and Media MisrepresentationKobe Bryant's Work Ethic and MentorshipStreaming Revenue Distribution for MusiciansMcDonald's All-American Basketball RankingsBlack Ownership in Sports and EntertainmentPlayground Basketball Innovation and NBA AdoptionMentorship in Hip-Hop vs. Institutional GuidanceBiggie and Big Pun's Artistic LegacySalary Caps in Professional SportsHigh School to NBA Eligibility RulesCommunity Accountability vs. Institutional Systems
Companies
Hard Rock Bet
Sports betting platform and official partner of Miami Heat and Orlando Magic, offering same-game parlays and player p...
iHeartRadio
Podcast distribution platform hosting multiple shows mentioned including No Grip, Doubt, The Sixth Bureau, and Love T...
Apple Podcasts
Podcast distribution platform where episodes are available alongside iHeartRadio
Netflix
Streaming platform that aired Spike Lee's 'She's Gotta Have It' series where Fat Joe auditioned
Roc Nation
Entertainment company that God Shammgod is affiliated with as part of his professional portfolio
Dallas Mavericks
NBA team where God Shammgod worked as assistant coach during training sessions mentioned in episode
UCLA
University where God Shammgod trained Kobe Bryant and later trained his daughters in basketball skills
People
Jalen Rose
Former NBA player and member of Fab Five, discusses NCAA exploitation and media misrepresentation of his generation
God Shammgod
Playground basketball legend who created the Sham God dribble move, now coaches and mentors NBA players
Fat Joe
Hip-hop artist and podcast host discussing music industry compensation, Big Pun mentorship, and street culture
Jada Kiss
Hip-hop artist and podcast co-host discussing music industry exploitation and artist compensation disparities
Kobe Bryant
NBA legend trained by God Shammgod in high school, later had God Shammgod train his daughters in basketball
Stephon Marbury
McDonald's All-American and NBA player who trained alongside God Shammgod in youth basketball
Kevin Garnett
McDonald's All-American class of 1995 who changed NBA algorithm according to God Shammgod
Vince Carter
McDonald's All-American class of 1995, noted as arguably the best dunker ever in basketball
Paul Pierce
McDonald's All-American who claims he forced LeBron James to Miami, debated by panelists
Spike Lee
Filmmaker who directed 'She's Gotta Have It' and 'He Got Game', mentored Fat Joe and worked with Stephon Marbury
Big Pun
Hip-hop artist who mentored Fat Joe in songwriting and record creation before his death
The Notorious B.I.G.
Hip-hop legend discussed for his artistic legacy and influence on artists like Jada Kiss
Diddy
Music executive who profited from Big Pun's death through No Way Out album sales, discussed for industry practices
Russell Simmons
Entertainment executive who Fat Joe asked about Black distribution and vinyl pressing in music industry
Mark Cuban
Entrepreneur and investor who gave God Shammgod platform to showcase basketball talent
LeBron James
NBA player discussed in context of Miami Heat decision and comparison to Michael Jordan
Michael Jordan
NBA legend debated as greatest of all time, noted for iconic style and cultural impact
Jay-Z
Hip-hop mogul cited as inspiration figure from Harlem who achieved success and wealth
Malloy Naysmith
Rucker Park legend and king of the Bronx who inspired God Shammgod's basketball journey
Nate Archibald
NBA Hall of Famer and janitor at PS175 who mentored God Shammgod on basketball discipline
Quotes
"The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan. He was on the honor roll. I seen that. That was like the biggest trick."
Jalen Rose
"You can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you."
God Shammgod
"The only sports that have salary caps are black-led. Basketball and football. Those are the only sports with salary caps. Baseball, golf, NASCAR, tennis. They do not have a salary cap."
Jalen Rose
"If you master something and you do it for free, one day the world will pay you for it."
Nate Archibald
"Dead rappers get better promotion. That's a fact. That's a line I got from Big and Pun because like those are two of my favorite artists."
Jada Kiss
Full Transcript
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Listen to Love Trapped on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan. He was on the honor roll. I seen that. That was like the biggest trick. And we didn't have like social media. I couldn't say nothing. I'm like, I'm on the Dean's List. They're treating me like I'm some dumb. What up, y'all? I'm Joe Crack the Don. Your boy Jada. It's the John Chia show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. All-star 2026. We got our brothers. Gar Shamm, Gar Jalen Rose. Make some noise for them. Coming from where we come from, if you love basketball, there's a lot of levels to basketball, but we all know. But being a McDonald's All-American is probably one of the best things you can accomplish in your career as a high school kid. You know what I mean? Playing amongst all the greats. We're going to find out. We're going to talk to him about the film We're going to have some fun today Is this a pop Or we're going to open this at some point Now we can open that shit up We got ace Open that shit up is a lot to celebrate about So I just have to say this Because This is actually crazy I think I'm the oldest person up here I'm older than you, Crack I'll tell you one thing If you're older than me, definitely using Rewind the time Thank you I'll get you on a box. You said, Joe, I'm not ready for that. You might as well make money off the stuff. Get high on your own supply. I got a different. You winded 10 in CBS, Sally's, Stop and Shop. No, I got a plan, Joe. I got me a couple of steps that I'm going to do. Yes, I have a plan of working on beauty products. And stay tuned. That's why I got love for you. I know. I thought you was missing out. No. But I have to say this. I really have to say this. Like, this is, like, real still. Like, I love y'all. We love you too. This ain't no Hollywood, like, friendship, relationship, kinship. Like, I've been in Miami at three in the morning and he saved my life. Real talk. Like, I have the Jada Kiss bust for the Hall of Fame and he don't even have it because he gave it to me. These are the only two people that I believe that have a show that I'm on their show and they've both been on my show. Yeah, that's a fact. Right? You know, we got jerked by Mello. I did Mello's show. He did Mello's show. That motherfucker won't come to our shit for nothing. Curve. He's curving us. he's curving us in the home of the turbans. And so to see you guys doing your show, y'all killing it, dog. And this is their first live show. Give it up for them. This is their first live show. Give it up for them. And I got to say this about you. Like, the Sham God move in basketball is the equivalent of like wearing Jordans. Like it really is. Like that's the real thing. And how you develop players, you're an incredible coach and you've always stayed 10 toes down. Like we love you, brother. I appreciate it. I love y'all too. You know, everybody up here family with me. Like Joe knew me when I was young. Me and Kis practically grew up together with the Lodge, Children of the Corn, Nace, Cam and all of us. So me and Kis been down like since 15 years old, 14 years old, knowing each other, hanging out and stuff like that. So just to see, you know, their growth. And then Joe went from being a terror to everyone to the stuff that he's doing now is amazing. And like Joe know, like, he the first person I hit up. People don't even know. He the first person I told that JB was going to be good for his Knicks when he asked me. He said, hey, is Jalen going to be good? And I was like, I don't know if the team is going to be good, but I know Jalen is going to be steady, and he's going to be consistent. And my brother Jalen did way more than either one of us could imagine. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, me and Joe always had a relationship. And since I was young, you know, Joe always did amazing things for the hood and stood up against people in the hood. So, like, there's always love. And like I said, kisses my brother. Jalen Roses. What can you say about him and the Fab Five? Fucking legend. You know what I'm saying? So, like, he got his own thing in Detroit like I had in New York. He was in the streets and went to the NBA and did his thing and changed the whole culture, him and his Fab Five brothers. Thank you, brother. I appreciate that. So, I have a Joe and Jada question because these are my actual brothers. Joe, I got to ask you a question. Mr. Crack When did you get nice? Nice to what? You're a nice human being now You're thoughtful You're intelligent You're well dressed When did this happen? I believe I was always a nice guy I always had a current heart We grew up in such a Tough environment Growing up that you had to be tough Because you either was predator or you was brave. I refused to be brave. I was bullied a lot when I was a young kid, so I had to grow into that. And then when I got in the rap game, it was no fucking difference. I don't want to disrespect hip-hop, but it was like, you meet somebody, all right, I want to meet this rapper. This is my man, two times a Mac. He did double life, came home on an appeal. Like, you're like, there ain't no PhDs or masters in hip-hop. You just meet the craziest motherfuckers. This guy killed 46 guys. He's my new role manager. So you had no choice but to be tough in the hip hop. And so, you know, this shit forced me. But I always was looking for a way to be nice and always be myself. And at the beginning, I ain't going to lie to you, we was saying, if I fuck with Jadakiss, if I fuck with Fab, if I fuck with Biggie, if I fuck, we would stand. in the club and stare at each other and just be like, nobody will say nothing. Like, you just look at him, you be like, he be like, thank God now we got, we can show our personality and shit like that. So for Jada, my other brother, and shout out to Sheik Looch and Styles P, those other brothers too. Give it up for the locks. Like, I love seeing people wearing the shirt now, the hat now, because sometimes it takes time for people to catch up. So I got to ask you, top five DOA, that's now doing podcasting and expressing yourself about the industry and current events. Like, what made you decide that this was the opportunity for you to express yourself in this space? Great question. I mean... Because y'all are like top secret. Like, the locks are like... like secret service you know what I'm saying family it's all about growth and evolving in the state of where the world is right now people want to hear authentic stories from people that lived it or people that been through it had in fact supposed to do something years ago and it can't pan out. Shout out to the rock. You got to be mad as hell to people. And your name is actually Crack. What's your actual name? Yeah, but it wasn't Crack. You know, I sold Crack. But it wasn't because I sold Crack. I know, but normally, like, he's Sam God because of his handle. You're a Crack. Well, I'm Crack because the crack of my ass used to show. And the girls are telling you. Hey, there you go, Dana. Hey, me too. Hey, Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe. Joe. Hold on. I stopped cussing like 20 years ago. That's some BS, Joe. It's not because you stood up one time and you're cracking your ass or showing it class. That is not why you got that name. I'm telling you. That is not. You're telling me, but I saw you. That's not. It's all about. Spike Lee I caught Spike Lee on a flight to LA and I talked a hole in his head for six hours Spike changed my life do we got any more flags? yes I better re-up y'all might have to get T.D. Jakes on this show I know do you know that we know why your nickname is Crack? Do you realize this? No, the feds is watching. Let me tell them my bullshit story, all right? Okay, cool. So I convinced Spike Lee, you know, let me try out for this show. He has She's Gotta Have It on Netflix. And when I went to try out, I made it. And so before I could do it, because, you know, Spike Lee, Mr. Pro Black, Mr. Conscious, he brought me in front of his whole staff and he made me explain why my name was Crack. I was like, you know, I'm in junior high school. I've always been fat. By the way, I've always been Fat Joey since birth. Okay? I've never been skinny in my life. I've been Fat Joey. One years old, two years old, three years old, they've always been Fat Joey. And so, you know, I would get up to go write something on the board in junior high and the girls would be like, eh, Joey Crack. So that's how I got the name Joey crack. When I explained it, you could see the whole staff, Spike Lee's staff was like, ah. All right. He sold it, huh? Yeah, sold it. Okay, okay. Double entendre. Okay, okay. If you want to believe that, fine. Congratulations. We love you. Yo, Jalen Rose, bro. Hey, kiss. That man got the sharpest line I gotta go to Turkey to get some shit like you got that fucking head dude that shit that shit a cutter motherfucker I dare you go like that you catch a fucking paper cut you fuck with that shit I'm gonna watch that shit on TV I say man in there got the sharpest line I ever seen in the fucking world how many cuts you get a week so the craziest thing for public consumption is I literally just get a haircut before y'all see me nothing special Like, I knew I was going to be on joint. I know your barra not a haircut today. You cannot get rid of that barra. Your barra elite. I won't. The second you try, I won't. I won't. Let me tell you something. I say all the time I got a problem. I have a serious problem. I'm a shopaholic. What did I do now? Jada? I didn't say nothing. I seen the hand movement. I'm already like abused like I see the head go up I'm thinking I'm getting the flag for no but you know I like shopping and shit and I got a real big problem and but they told me yo the minute you don't dress they gonna say you fell off like a real motherfucker you better keep blowing that bag cause yo let me tell you something you try to So, hey So I I love y'all show I watch y'all show Each time So I would love to ask y'all a couple of questions You've been asking us questions I don't know if you know This is the fucking Jalen Rose show No Jalen, Jalen Okay, cool I got one question I got one question JJ, JJ I got one question Because we all grew up together So for people that don't know, like Jada Kidd's played basketball, elite shooter, still can shoot now. When did you say you was going from playing basketball to rapping? I know when Mason Kim did it because I was with him every day, but when did you go from that to rapping? I got all the wrong letters. The wrong schools? I got letters that just wasn't right. Mercy College. Yeah, I'm like, yeah. Juco, Junior. Juco times five. Couple D2s, couple D3s. But it wasn't happening. Like, I was all right. But you had to be, you got to know when to fold them. Kenny Rogers. You got to know when to fold them. I wasn't. I'd have been a little bit taller, a little bit faster. I probably never would have went in the booth. but God didn't bless me with those things. So I had to figure something else out. Well, just like a ball player for y'all, you know, Yonkers is right next to the Bronx, let's say, Englewood, whatever. And so I heard about these guys and they were dumb, y'all. And they was like, yo, there's these guys, they call them Warlocks. Just like basketball, when you hear about another player, they was like, yo, these guys call them Warlocks. And I'm like, the Warlocks? It was like, yeah, they did nice. And a couple of times I drove by. They used to hang out at this gas station. So I would ride by and I'd be like, and they'd be like, yeah, that's them. That's the war. And then they just blew the fuck up. You know, it's like that. When you hear somebody's name, you know what's crazy is when we think of the basketball. Stephon Mulberry, you know, he grew up in the projects in Coney Island. I want to know if this happened to you. he said he'd be outside 10 years old 10 dribbling in the park and he would see like white men just standing there watching him and and he's in the middle of the hood yeah and white men would be over there looking at him at 10 years old 11 years old 12 and he was like yo they was the scouts they knew when i was 10 years old i was going to the fucking league yeah because he had Because he had, you know, he had three brothers that played and they didn't really make it. So they put everything in them. So that's why when anybody, like, argue with me about Steph, it's hard for me to really even understand the argument because, like, when I started playing basketball, I didn't start playing basketball until I moved to Harlem. So I started playing basketball late, like 11, 12. And it was so crazy because me and Steph used to hang out. And I'm like, this dude is the number one seventh grader in the world. and I'm like man I'm not even 200 in New York City there's no one in the world I'm like how is he that much better than me so then he like forced me to work out every day and then my senior year when we both was 12th grade we both got co-player of the year then I got to number 15 in the country but you know while we here made the McDonald's all American game and it's so funny because when I was in 9th grade my coach was like hey what you want to do and I was like, I want to play McDonald's with America. I didn't know what the hell I was talking about because I didn't know what the game was. And he was like, how do you think you're going to play McDonald's? You're like 296 in the city. And then 9th grade, and I was like, ah, nah. Then my coach told me, he was like, yo, you come here every morning because I went to LaSalle Academy. He was like, you come here every morning at 6 o'clock. I started at 8. He was like, I'll work you out every day. And then at the school, you stay two hours later and we'll work out. And he was like, you should be able to make it. And just because he said that and because I was hanging with Steph every day where, like you said, I remember his pops had him running up the stairs in the project. We would go to Coney Island. His father would make him play with invisible basketball to work on his form. Like, a hundred jump shots, no basketball. Just shoot it, shoot it, shoot it, shoot it. And then, like, he used to always tell me, man, you can do it, this and that. And I used to be like, and then because my father used to train boxers, so I was already disciplined when I moved from Brooklyn. So it was just all about work. And then I dribbled so much till, like, in 11th grade, I used to stay in the park under the lights, and I thought I could shake my shadow. So that's how I used to dribble so fast. Because I was like, I know I can make my shadow move. I know I can make my shadow move. So I was looking like Pookie. Crazy. That's crazy. Get this shit, Nato! Make my shadow move. That's some Bruce Lee shit. I was, like, walking through the thing. But my thing for, like, Joe is, because I played in 55th, like, in the eighth grade and ninth grade. What made you want to start coaching in 55th? Because, you know, back then, 55th, for people that don't know, was like a movie. It was like, you come up there. Tell them what 55th is. Yeah, 55th is Rucker Park. So, like, when I first moved up there, what people don't understand, one of the reasons, I mean, Jada Kisno. But, like, Mace is the first person that ever took me to basketball, played basketball. And that's Mace that used to rap. So he was like, hey, I'm going to take you to this park to watch this game. And I was like, all right. At this point, I never played basketball. I used to live in Brooklyn to do karate and do wrestling and all that stuff. That's when the white Chinese white man used to come on the kung fu that wasn't Chinese. Jim Kelly. Yeah, he used to walk everywhere, but he wasn't Chinese. He'd walk in the desert. Jim Kelly was like Chuck Norris. Yes. Oh, you mean the Chinese thing that used to be walking like the monk? Yes, yes. Yes. So that was like my whole thing. What's the name? Wrestling. Yes. Yes. Oh, no, that was legendary. Guys, y'all too young for that shit. Yes. So I used to watch that and do wrestling every day. So then when I moved to Harlem, you know, in Brooklyn, the only thing they used to do was rob and steal. So like when I moved to Harlem, it was like a movie because I actually saw like black people making money, Sadie's Benzins, even though they were drug dealers. It was just like a movie. Then I go to 55th and I happened to go the day of the order. star game. And I saw a guy named Malloy Naysmith that will forever be my idol. I don't care. Malloy? Like future Malloy? Yeah. So I don't care how much basketball. He was the king of the Bronx. Yeah. So he was like for y'all, if y'all don't know Malloy, hopefully y'all know Kareem Reid. They're like probably the most legendary point guards up there because they played for so long. And I went up there and I saw Mike Boogie get on one knee and dribble through Malloy legs at 55th and that forever changed my life. I seen, I was hanging in a tree and I saw like it was people coming up there getting dressed at halftime, getting Jordans. At this point I was wearing spot belts. I didn't even know what Jordans was. Spot belts was the shit. So it just like changed my life. It was like entertainment, basketball, because that was the first time I saw something that like entertained fans and like made people famous that wasn't famous. You know, like local heroes Like walking down the street And people like instantly know you Like that's Malloy Mason That's Master Rob I remember when somebody said Man, you know Magic Johnson? I said, he can't mess with no Malloy So when you're watching the league right now And you're watching college And I would love to ask you this If it's okay It's like People say the sham got dribbled Like it's a real thing That's a fact It's like most of memory It's like when you go to the doctor And they hit your knee You know what I'm saying? for muscle memory. So how did that come about? And for those that don't know what that is, please tell them what the sham god dribble is. Well, it's like, what people don't understand, it was like, I used to watch, admire this guy named Sherman Anderson. And he used to always dribble up the core with one hand, like going like this, like inside out, one hand, one hand. And then you factor in, like, when I was growing up to like, I know Joe and Jada, as late as you can, And it's like, you know, it's like when you see Coogee Rap and all of them, you're growing up. Like, these are like superheroes. So when I first started playing basketball, even though I was hanging with Steph, Kareem Reed, Rafe Austin, all these people, they was already playing basketball since 10. I wasn't playing. So these dudes was like the Avengers to me. Like, I was like, yo, these dudes is off the chain. If I ever could come a little bit good like them, I would be nice. So then, like, like I said, I watched this kid named Sharon. And then Rafe was like real nice at the time. For people that don't know, that skipped in my loop. So he used to do all this skipping stuff. I went to the PS90, I went to PS175. And the janitor, one day I'm in there dribbling and stuff, and the janitor was like, man, if you just took it seriously, you could be somebody. And I was like, man, who the fuck do you think you are? Who are you talking about? So I don't even know who he is. I go home. I get this tape called Blow the Rim Below the Rim That's when it was like VHA said It was like Kevin Johnson Maddie Johnson Jason Kidd Tim Hardaway But in the middle of the tape It's like Pistol P Earl Monroe Tiny Archibald All these people So I'm like Man this dude look familiar So I go Back to school I'm just watching him For a week So then I got the courage And I said Hey Do you got a son Named Tiny Archibald And he's like What are you talking about And I was watching on this tape and it said Tanya Archibald, but his name is Nate Archibald, right? So I'm like, I'm not even putting it to, and I was like, he's skinny, so he can't, but I'm thinking like, the people think now, if you play in the NBA, you rich. So I'm looking at him and he's like, no, what are you talking about? That's me. And I'm like, what? There's no way that could be you. And I was like, why you didn't tell me you played in the NBA? And he was like, oh, you little kids just think you know everything. So I just let, and like to this day, that's one of my closest his friends, but he the one that told me like, he was like, if you master something and you do it for free, one day the world will pay you for it. So then we got in the NCAA tournament in 97. I was actually trying to do another move. This move Kenny Anderson used to do. He used to like go fast, change direction, throw between his legs. And what happened was the ball slipped. And then only thing I could remember is the dude Sherwin that used to grab the ball like that. And then because I watched film a lot, I went back to the thing. I'm like, man, this thing, I'm like, man, that move could work. But then I still ain't think none of it. And then I came home in the summer and I went to the park I grew up in and I'm just looking through the fence. And these little kids like, oh, man, I just shammed you. I just shammed you. I'm like, what are you talking about? And then the kid was like, yeah, I just shammed God to him and all that. And then the next thing you know, it just went viral like that. And it's like one of the most humbling feelings because I know everybody up here and anybody here, if you work anywhere, you want to make it better than how you found it. And for me, I get to live in my inspiration every day because Mark Cuban, people like that gave me a platform to show my talent. So like when people say like Russell Westbrook, this Paul doing the Sham Guard and they're like, yeah, you know, he's sitting right there, his assistant coach. So for me that just amazing feeling because I know when I dead and gone I left basketball better than how I found it Wow When a kid is 10 years old they will learn how to do the sham guard You know I fried right I fucked up in that So I think of shit. You know, I grew up in a world where you had to go get like, it was a treacherous world. When I seen NBA players do the sham guard, I thought they jerked you. I was like, yo, these niggas jerking sham. That's the sham. I was melt them tight. I'm watching them. it wasn't like you would be like yo he did my move i'm like yo they jerking sham that's the fucking sham god shit like yo i that's fucked up man i look at shit so different i'm not a positive thinker man i looked at it i was like yo they owe him money yeah that's what everybody said everybody be like man did you copyright it because you can get money and i'm like i'm like nah for me it's like i said like it's just one of the most craziest feelings in the world because Like, I would forever be known as one name. Forever. Yeah, but who was it? There was one NBA player. I was watching the game live. And they interviewed. They was like, yeah, what's the move you did? And he said, the sham guard. Yeah, that was Westbrook. Fuck. Yeah. Westbrook gave it up. Yeah, Westbrook was like, yeah. Oh, he did the move. He did the move. And then the fucking announcer was in the awe. He was like, yo, what did you just do when you did? He said, yo, that was the ship, bro. 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Listen to No Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. I hate fame. I hate the word celebrity. I hate those words that make me uncomfortable. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Bo was born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? 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This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. it's from us we never see nobody from the hood like that's the other thing we're going to you jaylen rose right you're richer than everybody on here so you you'll speak later right yo shan like you never see the beauty of your story we talked about omar cook as a coach for Cleveland now. The beauty about your story is we never seen nobody from the street, street playground legend to go to the NBA. That's why Skip was so special. We all offer inspiration and then you go NBA, but you also go and you coach. You know, that's offering a lot of hope, a lot of inspiration. And that's what makes you so dope. You know, every you think about everybody we ever seen, you know, there's some nice guys like Phenom. Facts. But the whole thing is like to give it up to y'all is like and kids can attest to this. Like we come from a place where things seem hopeless, but I saw hope. You know what I'm saying? when I see Fat Joe at the time being Fat Joe, when I see Jay-Z at the time being Jay-Z, these are, you know, and even Puff to a point, like, no disrespect, all love. Like, the part I've been in his life is all love. So, like, they gave me the inspiration because, like I said, when I was in Brooklyn, I didn't see that. I saw, like, Rob and Steele and this and that. Not saying Uptown wasn't crazy or the Bronx wasn't crazy, but... Brooklyn was crazy. Yeah, but they also, So the thing that was different from Brooklyn to all the Mother Barrows is like the stuff y'all was doing, you still was getting money and you still was like looking good. Like still like, man, I could be something. And it wasn't like, oh, Fat Joe is going to jail. Jay-Z is going to jail, this and that. Like when I'm running around with Kiss, Maze, Chic, Styles, all of them, like we get to see people over us that was like doing stuff that actually made money. so it was like so that's why even in my book when I wrote I'm like you gotta be careful who you say who's the hero and who's the villain right cause I grew up with drug dealers that when I became nice in basketball paid my mom's rent for two years so do I think they're a hero or do I think they're a villain you know what I'm saying I went to Providence you know one was on America's Most Wanted he was number three and I never knew that I'm in the park elbowing him talking stuff to him This nigga's a mass murderer. You know what I'm saying? But he always told everybody. He wouldn't hurt you. Yeah, everybody in the hood. He was like, yo, make sure Sham play ball. Make sure Sham is good. So those are people I grew up around. So it's hard for me to always be like. So that's why when I tell kids, it's easy for me to coach them. Because I give them the dead truth and say, yo, this could happen. That could happen. But if you let me help you, I can help you. You can still say what you want. Like with Kyrie, like when it was me and Kai. It's like, yo, you can still say what you want, but let me help you. Because the worst thing you could do is say, you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you. Say that again. I need a glass of this. You can't say you misunderstood if you're not trying to let people understand you. Do tell a felon where you at, man. So my whole thing in life was always to try to let people understand me. Because I know I would never be perfect. We all are not perfect. I'm going to fail short, even when I try to do good. But if you have people that can understand you, then at least they can say, you know what? I ain't really with that, but I understand what you got going on, so I'm just leaving it alone. But when they don't understand you, that's when the confusion starts and the madness starts, and now it's problems. You know what I'm saying? What you see in Harlem all day with my brothers that are trying to make sure get on the same page, just like with Mason Kim. I'm just like, yo, we got to get together, bro. We all family. If something happened to me, your family gonna be upset something happen to you my family gonna be upset even if we don't speak my family my son and them still call you uncle right I say that about hip hop so I don't know where it started where they try to put a false narrative yeah all rappers don't get along and all that but when somebody they don't I'm with this grumpy uncle Grady right yes yes But say something real sad that recently happened. Little John's son. I don't know him, but I felt bad instead of a mean prayer for Little John because Little John's my brother and I love him. I didn't know his son. But we got like a bond. That's because it goes deep in the rap. That's not a rapper. That's a father losing his son. Yeah. If you got any type of heart. But he's also a rapper. Yeah, yeah. So what I'm saying is. Once he lost his son, for me, he's no longer Little. John is the guy that I put myself in. I can't imagine that feeling. So fuck the rappers, huh, Jaden? A little bit. He said it's bigger than rap. He said it's bigger than rap. Yeah, the man lost his son. But it's just like, you know, like basketball and rapping is like cousins. So like it comes from the most competitive place, right? Because you still going to have the street guy that think he better than the guy that's in the NBA. And then the NBA guy going to be like the street guy to understand what it takes to make it. So it's always going to be competition. It's always going to be competitiveness. So that's why it gets confusing. It's just like you said, when you went to the club and you see other people, everybody face fighting, but everybody in the same struggle. But nobody talking about it. So they think they're coming from two different places and they're really not. All right. So that's why like in Harlem, there's no person in Harlem that ever played basketball that I haven't been in the gym with. or try to steer the right way, whether it worked or not. It's like, yo, I'm always here. I'm always, because when I left school early out of college, I wish I had somebody here for me to be like, nah, just stay one more year. Just hold on. You know, everything going to be all right. You know what I'm saying? But where we come from, you got your mind made up. Everybody like, oh, man, that's what's up. You should do it. Then when it don't work, they're like, man, you was bugging anyway, bro. I don't even know why you did that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, you know, we come from, especially like jailing with the Fab Five. They're like, if they had NIL, they had to be rich before then. They owed them. Yeah. Do you feel they jerked them? They owed them something. They owed them. You know, the world ain't fair. They send them all a couple million. The world ain't fair. Yeah. Yeah, it's still actually to this day. We had that UM game, the championship football joint. And they're still like, do you think it's right? Yeah, I think it's right. They got paid because these colleges been selling tickets, selling jerseys, and these kids ain't been getting shit. And they've been like, all right, guys, thank you. And not only that, these jerseys, they Fab Five. Your jersey's still selling. Well, the one thing about sports and money is, and I've talked about this a lot, so I'm not like interfering with things that I have going on. Because I've been talking about this for 30 years. The only sports that have salary caps are black-led. Wow. First off. So that's basketball and football. Those are the only sports with salary caps. Baseball, golf, NASCAR, tennis. You can keep naming them. They do not have a salary. That's the first thing. Holy shit. is correct. The second thing is they have no after high school restrictions. And so that's a residue of slavery. It's because we're going to get money off of you for multiple years for free. There's no way around. How can we start? We got to start a union, a coalition. Yeah, but they They doing it now. They getting paid now. No, but he just made it a finish. Yes. And so what happened in the game is it became so obvious because of social media and because of information. It's like we're making billions of dollars. We got to pay him something. That's how it ended up happening. And so for the player, like you're an artist. You guys are artists. We've been at Pools Wood. Right. Y'all don't think it. That's where I'm going. Like, I have a... Rape and pillage. And no shots or no shade or whatever. Like, whatever. But I'm just, like, real spill. Like, I have a free lock shirt. No doubt. Like, I have one. Let the locks go. Yeah. And what ends up happening in entertainment is we're the worker, we're the talent, but we're not the owner. And that's the same thing in sports that happened with the NIL. So I'm happy to see players now getting paid off of their name, image, and likeness. But if you notice, you still got to pay the system. Like NFL players, you have to be three years removed from high school to go to the NFL. A lot of people don't realize that. Maurice Brad got messed up. Correct. You can't go straight from the NFL after your sophomore year. When you had your best year. Correct. You have to wait three years so the system can profit off you. It's the same thing with basketball. Like, NBA players have shown Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, like, that you can come out of high school and be productive in the league. But they still don't allow you to do it so that you can feed the system and they can make money off you. and so I stood on the table about this for a long time, for 30 years, and the greatest trick that the media played on society is that the Fab Five was some dumb Negroes that went to Michigan. You was on the honor roll. I seen that. Yeah, that was like the biggest trick, and we didn't have, like, social media. I couldn't say nothing. I'm like, I'm on the dean's list. They're treating me like I'm some dumb. And I took that personal. So I'm happy that they're allowed to be paid right now. But if you notice, the NBA still got a salary cap. The NFL still got a salary cap. I never knew that. So that's how they say you learn something new every day. And both of those sports are like 75%, 80% Black. You can name on one hand a Black owner. It's like, oh, you're Michael Jordan. You're one of the greatest of all time, so you can be an owner. Is there a black owner in the NFL? I don't think so. I don't think it exists. No. Magic is partially, right? Yeah, yeah. Magic's different, though. Yeah, he... You can do anything if Magic didn't... What Kanye said. Don't say it. Don't say it. But to your point, I remember in 12th grade, me and Steph, we met with Spike Lee for He Got Game. so a lot of people don't know like it's based on like part of steph life and then off my name he wanted to name the character god and he was like when he saw me playing la salle he came up with the idea of like oh jesus shuttle work because he wouldn't say god or whatever and uh me and steph auditioned and then he was like oh i'm gonna give y'all part but he was like the problem was if we took the role we couldn't we'd be ncaa ineligible because we was getting paid so that's why Steph ain't even do his own movie and Ray Allen was going to the NBA so he could do it so that's what people don't know about like how the whole movie thing came about and Spike talk about this, it's not me just saying it, Spike talk about how he saw me play a little style and then he got the idea of like, he was like man he got that name and he's good in basketball and then that's instead of using God he just used the shuttle And that's what I want to ask you, Kiss, and I want to ask you, Joe, because I see a lot of articles about streaming and how they're not doing the artist justice, per se. Like, the artists will say, we can have like a billion. This literally reminds me of the NCAA and NIL when I see this about artists. It's like, you can sell a billion streams to make like 50 cents. I don't even understand. I don't even know if they made a book. I don't even know if there's anywhere. They just made up their own rules. Am I right or wrong? I don't know what the fuck they doing. And I don't mean to bring up a sore topic, but this is how I felt. This is how I felt. If you go to any, maybe, maybe the higher up, and you go to Paris and Vivendi and somebody like that and some type of people can explain it to you. But I'm almost 97% sure if you just ask any of your friends, other artists, athletes, they're never going to be able to explain it to you. It's one of them. That's crazy. So that's the equivalent of me playing at Michigan. And so now it's pay for play. So, Thad Jones, a great high school player, and he's going to pick a school to go. Now they're picking the highest bidder. Yeah. But most of the players aren't selling goods. That's called pay for play. So what made us different is we would have been selling farachis. Black socks. Black socks. Yes. Or like we were jerseys. Like we were selling product. Artists. Y'all are selling product. You know what I'm saying? So I don't understand how I can buy your song or your album, but you don't get paid from it, really. How does that work? We've been sold out from the forefathers. And unfortunately... We're trying to give revenge for what they did. I'm trying to figure... Is that a flag or something? Why are you laughing at that? Why are you laughing at that? Because, uh, go ahead. I want to hear why you found that funny. Because they didn't sell us out. They didn't know what happened. They didn't know. What happens is we've been sold out by the forefathers. And unfortunately, in the black and Latino community, it's like when you watch a bunch of kids playing with the ball and the kid goes my ball you can't play with it my ball pump daddy thought he was the only person that could make a dollar the whole entire industry wanted every dollar you could think of right a couple of other guys wanted every single dollar you could think of so it wasn't like each one teach one it was like yo play the Rubik's Cube till you fucking crack the code. So no one, to this day, no one told me you can get a dollar like this. It's definitely not a game that passes on Intel. But there's people who knew it. There's no, there's people and I love everybody. I'm not throwing shots above nobody like that. Somebody like, no, I didn't mean that. I did not mean that. What I'm trying to tell you is I didn't mean it in that way. What I'm saying is the man wanted to be the king. Everybody wanted to be like a king and they wouldn't tell you. So we going like this. I said this before Puff was ever in trouble and he's a big inspiration to me. So, you know, but I'm in my video with bottles of fucking Syracuse. I'm wearing Sean John. I'm wearing this. I don't know what the fuck going on. Next thing I know, he's selling these shits for a billion dollars. And so we influencing the streets. They looking at it like, oh, we need to get that sweatsuit. We need to drink that Syrah. We need to, they fucking named the whole Coco Loso after fucking Fabulous. I don't think he ever got a dollar, huh? I wrote the bid. Look, we're not here pointing that puff, right? What I am saying is... Hold on. What I am saying to you is... You wrote the binge on it? I sat down. Yeah, he wrote everything. No, I wrote his part. He wrote everything, but let me explain to him. He wrote his part. I wrote my part. Somebody I respect to the highest level in the universe, who I don't think but I know is highly intelligent, is Russell Simmons. And I used to ask him when I was younger. I'd be like, yo, why we ain't got no black distribution? why we ain't pressing vinyl no like he be like Joe you really don't want to be asking that question this is the guy who wants to that's like us asking about NIL no but never giving it never get to the bottom but he'll tell you don't even ask that shit I'll be like yo what do you mean it's the reason why nobody got the shit they don't want nobody to get that shit and then you heard about people trying to make moves like that and they always got in trouble with the law or some scandal came out, you know, they... Stay out of the air. They been scandaling motherfuckers forever. We talked about somebody we knew in the back, in basketball. Yeah. They been scandaling niggas forever. Like, okay, you getting too loose? Wacko Jacko. So that adds a question that I have for both of you gentlemen. Because there's a dope bar that I love. You know dead rappers get better promotion. in my life. Right? So I want to ask you with Big and you with Pun because like those are two of my favorite artists that rest in peace aren here anymore Like what did you and I going to start with you Kiss like see in Big when he was alive And what disappointed you about how he was projected after he died? Because that's your line. What I saw when he was alive was a good guy that took care of a lot of people. Very humorous. unlike the stuff me and Crack just said. He did put myself and my brothers on to all of the powers that beat and the discrepancies and what to look for from Diddy and how he was going to be and this and that. You know what I mean? How to be an artist and how to conduct yourself, things like that. That's what I was able to learn from him, my time being able to spend with him. after he passed. It's kind of, I got that line kind of off him and Punt. Puff was able to sell 10 million off the No Way Out album after the passing of the pick. So I've seen a lot of people just claim to be cooler with them than they were. One of the things I don't like, one of the things I don't like is through all of the whatever and glitz and shit some gay groups. People don't have the relationship with his kids. It'd be so cold. Everybody was big, man, and this and that. They don't know his kids' number. They never spoke to his kids. They don't got his kids' birthday. They don't. So that's the track of shit right there. But it's a lot of that that goes on with this industry. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors. When you come across some good people that do good business and you're able to have a relationship outside of the music business, stay tight with them and everybody else, fuck. What about you, Joe, with Big Pun? Big Pun is complicated. After he died, there was no more money. So it wasn't like, you know, I never made a dollar from him after he passed through. Really? That's a fact. Really never made a dollar. One of the dopest emcees. yeah but you know what happens is i just seen and i want to quote this right but i breezed through but i knew what he was saying i just saw an interview with french montana said he sold 65 million records and still don't got a royalty this shit is raping you records it's raping you raping you raping no this shit will be raping you raping you with this shit here 65 million records? That's what French Montana said. So what I'm trying to tell you is the only... Similar to the NBA, man. Correct. Correct. It's actually worse. Worse. It's like college in the air. You guys got a union. It's the college in the air. You guys, this shit. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. I'm joined by Luke Combs, award-winning country music artist and one of the most authentic voices in music today. Luke opens up about success, self-doubt, mental health, and what it really takes to stay true to who you are when your life changes overnight. I hate fame. I hate the word celebrity. I hate those words. They make me uncomfortable. But I think when you get to a certain point, the fame or the success or the influence, it just accentuates and exacerbates the inherent person that you are. The guy that says he's always going to be there and that will do anything to be there is the only guy that's not there. I'm in Australia when Bo is born. My whole identity is that no matter what, I'm going to prioritize my wife and my children over my job. I dread the conversation with my son. What do you think you'd say? Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out, and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom. And was Daniel Ricciardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this, I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals, and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to No Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Leppie. Lucy Leppie has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, if I sell, if I put out an album, I sell 100,000 records, I make a couple of million. So you got to educate yourself and figure it out. You know, what I mean? Who was that? George Bush? Something happened to me, shame on me. Something happened again. Fool me once, fool me two times. Shame on me. That's on you. If you get jerked one time and you ain't learning from the process, because everything in life. If you get taken advantage of financially, I'm going to have you like a Harvard student. Due to your skills and your talents. I'm going to be a Harvard student. Fact. Let me explain something to you. And so you got to learn from your mistakes and your lessons in life. And I've always been good with that. Meaning like I got a big brother that I looked up to that was a billion times smarter than me. but he fucked his whole life up using drugs. So I never used drugs. So I could see you, you know, I grew up in a family of gambling-aholics. We ain't had shit, no. I remember I used to be sitting on the fucking floor, the projects. I'm laying on the floor and watching my grandmother, my grandfather, my aunts, my uncles, they playing the number, they betting, they last and everything, right? And then one day my mother hits and the number, what's the matter? My mother hits. Listen, my mother hits and she might've made $400. You only hit the number once every like year. You playing every day, a hundred dollars. She got a tip, the lady, she played the number with. The whole family waiting for 10, $20 all the way. Before you know it, she won $40 back of the $800 she spent. The biggest scam. Oh, you fucking with me. I did the numbers and the knowledge, and I knew these people are suckers. I'm not going to do that. And so now they book me all the time in Vegas, right? And they hoping you like a dolphin. So in any other place, here, we're doing this little event. They walk me in through the back. It's not little. No, no, it's huge. But they walk me in through the back, correct? Anywhere I go, if I do a stadium show, they walk me through the back. Club walk me through the back. Vegas, the only place they walk me to my show in the casino, do the fucking tables. They want me to catch that Dauphine. If I'm a gambler, I'm stopping there. And I'm betting all the shit they just gave me back in that table. Exactly. Wish yourself good luck. I be by the table skipping. I do that. Skip and eat. Where the free food at? Like, where the buffet? Glizzy's. You got me. But that's. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, kid. Yeah, Joe. But that's. But that's. But that's to your point. That's residual income for you, man. You been throwing the flags at me for that glizzy talk. But that's to your point. It's like when you grow up in the hood, you get so stuck in the pain for what happened that you can't see the things that could be better, right? So like for me, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't hard, right? So like even in my book, I talk about like, you know, because people always ask me about my relationship with my father and my father's here. So like- Shout out dad. He was talking- Shout out pops. I love pops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was talking that shit with me. I always like to learn. So like all the stuff, all the stuff he been through, you know when I was young our relationship was like up and down because he went to jail and stuff like that the things that happened you know me not being a man at that time you know you look at him and blame him for what's going on right and then you then in 11th grade you have a son and then it changed your life and then you figure like man 11th grade yeah so it's like it's not always it's not always his fault because he was going through stuff and he was going through his own stuff and trying to figure out his own stuff. And then while he was in jail, finished college and all that stuff. And now, you know, as a man, you know, he's one of my best friends, you know, because I treat my kids and stuff like that. But what he don't know is this, like, all the stuff he went through was the example for me not to go through. So through his pain and his trials and tribulation, it made me successful as a person, made me not feel sorry for myself or be stuck in place and just always get up and like, you know, next day going to be better. You know what I'm saying? And just push that to the limit. So that's why I always try to pay it forward. And like I said, you know, I know we hear, you know, on Y'all Podcast, which is an amazing podcast. We hear talking about- Jalen Rose Podcast, gang. No, no, no. And we hear to talk about the McDonald's or American game. And that was like one of my first stepping stone to the NBA because I looked at Jalen roles and the people before me, I was like, man, the dudes that make it to the McDonald's or American game go to the NBA. And, you know, all the stuff my father went through, I was just like, like I said, the one thing he did always teach me, you know, being a 5% and stuff like that, is always have discipline and always have knowledge yourself, right? So I had knowledge myself since I was like six years old. Yeah, so... Crack him, I lost. so I always I always had knowledge of self since I was young and I was always proud to be black right so that's why when I went to Harlem it was so impactful because it was Apollo the 125th Street Jada Kissing them was always at the mark 125 you know I'm saying even though they was my age they was doing something I've never seen before like putting words together and stuff like that so it was always like mad love and mutual respect for them because it was just like man these dudes is gonna blow up I didn't know how they was gonna blow up but I'm like man these dudes in the hood smashing you know whether it was him Maze Kim and them so as me going forward I was like okay my first stepping stone is to just make McDonald's all American so that's why I was just pressed because I was like if I can make that then my odds would go up right and I remember when I got the call over the loudspeaker because that's when and that this point you didn't take the same position from the same city. So I already knew Steph was going to be McDonald's with America. Steph was the best 7th grade, best 8th grade, best 9th grade, best 2th grade, best 11th grade. So I was like, man, it might be impossible. I got to work hard because at that point they didn't take the same position. We both was point guards. So when I got the call over the loudspeaker, Steph was like the second person that told me I made McDonald's with America. And that's all I wanted to do because I wanted to make my father proud. I wanted to make my father friends proud. I wanted my father friends to go tell him, like, yo, this is your son. You know what I'm saying? So, like, for me, through all the trials of tribulations, I sing. But like I say, like, we in the hood and stuff. I always knew, like, it could be better. And I was like, I know what I, I didn't know what I wanted to become, but I said, I know what I don't want to be. And my biggest thing was I didn't want people to walk up to me. Like, I used to see them walk up to people. I look up to him like, man, he used to be nice. So that's like a big insult to me. Like when somebody say you used to be, you used to be. Talk about it. Yo, you kid used to looking fat. Yo, like, shit, I'm flying right now, Iced him, right now. Don't play that shit with me. I got all my teeth. All my, all my teeth. I got all my teeth. Don't play that shit. It's been a lifetime dream. Yeah. People get runs and then they get played at. they remember they used to this not me you call it a cast so that's why I'm proud to be a McDonald's All-American because to this day those are my brothers like Steph, KG, Vince Carter Paul Pierce you know probably the same Jalen can speak to his class like those are my brothers like when I see them it's all about a question for y'all you brought it up it was the Joe and Jaden show I love you guys Paul Pierce thinks that if he was in his prime, there would be no LeBron James. Get me out. But that's just a rivalry. Okay, let me. He doesn't really. Please, please. I went to bed one night. Please, let me continue. I went to bed one night. It was like Michael Jordan is nothing. I'm going to crush him. Please. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me finish this. You got it. There's a underdog. Let me finish this. There's a favorite and an underdog. Yes, sir. You want to. Yeah, good question. This is a dandy but good. Paul Pierce thinks that if he was in his prime, it would be no LeBron James. Case in point or whatever. He says he made LeBron James team up with D-Wade and him and go down to Miami because they won them two chips in a row. He said, I was past my prime and I forced him to go down to Miami and play with them. because we had the game on Smash. So, honest, Smash is all right. So, y'all, I'm old school. No, no, no. I'm from Full Sail. No, no, I'm not saying Smash because of that. Can y'all both answer it as honest as possible? I'll start with you, Sham. God, do you think that Paul Pierce, if he's at his prime, LeBron James, dog, got to wait six years for a chip or something? Nah, that's why I threw the flag because, you know, Paul is my McDonald's All-American guy, and that's my brother. But the reason why LeBron went to Miami is because Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen came to Boston. If Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen don't come to Boston, then Paul Pierce never get a ring, and there's no reason for LeBron to go anywhere. So when he's saying LeBron went and teamed up with somebody, it's not that he went and teamed up with somebody, but somebody came and teamed up with him for him to win a ring. So you gotta have the same grace For the next man that goes somewhere else Listen What you think? One of my favorite verses Came from Big And that's like As I look at you gentlemen It literally just came to me When he was like If you sling crack rock Or you got a wicked jump shot Because we idolize what you guys do And many artists Wish they hoop Like Jada Kiss was literally just talking Like I wanted to hoop But like I didn't get the offers that I wanted. Like, I heard Cam talk about it. I've heard multiple people talk about it. But to your question, Paul literally said he was past his prime. So therefore, nothing stopped LeBron at that time. The Pistons were a couple of years older. And, like, LeBron is gold-static. He earned that. He's not better than Michael Jordan. No. No. But he's gold-static. Can't do that. What you think, Jadakiss? You always make her funny. You heard that and you squinted. He said they both said that. I think you're a liar and deep down inside in your heart, you think LeBron's better than Jordan. I think so. Because I'm excited to come up. Who the fuck is here? He always give me a twitch. I'm MJ forever. Very smart. Very calculated, man. But you're fucking, you know, like that cop interrogation. You did it. You had the bottle in the store. You had the fucking bottle in the store. So as somebody that played against Michael Jordan, played against Kobe, played against LeBron, I want to just tell you guys something. There's nobody better than Michael Jordan. Talk slow to him. I want to be very clear. You with us now, huh? Rich Paul in here, he's like... There's a reason why you're wearing his shoes and he ain't played in 30 years. I agree. There's an actual reason. Just think about this. And I know the cool kids say pause now, so I thought it out. But this gentleman played basketball with his tongue hanging out. Just think about it. You can't walk from this stage to the back with your tongue out without biting your tongue. Just think about that. You're convincing the wrong man. So you're wearing his shoes. You're preaching to the converting. I'm telling you why you're wearing his shoes. It's not just because he won the championships. Like, Jordan had that sexy, that fly. He showed up with the blazer, had the Ferrari, parked it in the arena, played with his tongue hanging out. Like, this is iconic. Part two to your answer. This is why I say Kobe Bryant's the second best of all time. I was standing there when he scored 81. I know. I know. And the thing is, ain't no highlights, ain't no highlights in that game. Let me give you a no hit record. And he sat down for the fourth quarter. Ain't no hit record in that game. He sat down for the fourth quarter. Let me explain something. He did not sit down for the fourth quarter. I go. That is not accurate. Oh, so that wasn't that game? No, no, no. That was against the mass. No, that was against the mass. Yeah, 65. He sat down the whole fourth quarter. That was against the mass. That was against the mass. So we played. That was a warm up. So here's. So I want to highlight. 69. So I want to highlight what you're saying. Kobe was on a heater that month. Like I looked at the schedule. And I'm going to do a story time. Like we wasn't legal then. We was not legal. And our. Weed. Weed. Marijuana. Marijuana was not legal. Cannabis. And our team might have been a little bloated trying to pass the test. that night because they were there to test. So you making excuses behind the 69? Ain't no excuses. Kobe's my... That's my little brother. Like, if you Google right now who was Kobe Bryant's favorite player when he was in high school, it was me. Hey. Make some noise for that. If you Google that right now, it was me. So that's my little brother. I'll never forget, we was working out of UCLA, and y'all know this as artists. We was working out and doing our thing. And we felt like, yo, we're going to go to a burger in Santa Monica and get massages and like rehabilitate and get in the steam and whatever. But what I didn't know, his ass was going back to the gym. He didn't tell me. So I was going to L.A. to kick it. So we worked out in the morning. You know this, coach. That's why you laugh. So like we go work out in the morning and I'm thinking like we're done. and I'm doing the L.A. thing, his ass went back to the gym and didn't tell me. He did that every fucking day. I got a story for you. I come up in Jersey. I park the car in the garage. I'm going to see my man. He's one of them buildings that you go to the lobby and you got to take the other elevator to go to the 30th floor or something. You got to get out in the lobby. I got to keep this around me for you sometime, Joe. Okay. It's okay. It's all right. It's all right. Right. I come out in the lobby and there's 30 people that live in that building surrounded the front desk. So, of course, I go be nosy. I'm like, yo, what's going on? The security, the doorman is watching a little black and white TV. It's the finals. So I'm watching the finals. If you haven't wondered one time, you ever said, yo, what were other people thinking at this moment? I happen to be there by mistake with 30 people watching the basketball finals. So I go over there. Everybody's watching. Asian people, white people, like everybody. The whole lobby is rampant watching this little TV. They down two points, right? The Lakers are down two points. the other team got the ball so they're about to throw the ball in kobe jumps over something hits the guy the ball hits the guy and goes the whole 30 people everybody's crying i'm like they're still down two they got the ball why are you crying at this point guys because you knew that motherfucker was gonna curl and hit that three in your face that ball got checked in he did the curl and shot that three in they fucking face the whole 30 people knew exactly what was gonna happen with Kobe Bryant and this is why I say he's the second best this is why I say right so like what people understand is it goes back to like what Kis was talking about with Big right or his untimely demise is like when I see people act like they were more cooler with him than they were. It, like, bothers me to this day because, like, when Kobe first came back from overseas... Small circle. I'm the first person that he met, right? We played ABCD together. And his father, I was dribbling and stuff, and his father was like, yo, can you teach my son how to dribble? He was like, and this is not me talking, because I ain't talking about it in 20 years. Kobe said it in his retirement. You need that shit, Sam. So Kobe said it out of his mouth. and when he was telling him, he was like, yeah, he was like, so when I first, when I first met him, his father was like, hey, can you teach him how to dribble? He was like, my son got everything, but he really can't dribble. And I was like, who your son? And we had a game that night in ABCD and this dude like chewing gum, walking like Jordan, talking like Jordan. And at this time, I just made McDonald's all American. I was like, he's shooting all the balls. I'm like, yo, who the fuck is this shooting the ball? this is supposed to be my team right now and we're in Jersey. So I'm like, I'm home. This is my joint. And his father was like, he's just learning. He's a junior. At this time, Tim Thomas is the guard. Number one player in the country. There's nobody touching Tim Thomas. So then Cole was coming in to prove points. So I'm like, all right. I get up every morning to work out. I do my own routine before camp start. So he's like, all right, what time you want him there? And I'm being smart ass. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll be there five in the morning. Knowing I ain't going to be there five in the morning. So I get there like seven. He full sweating already. Like, oh, what we going to do? So he actually came at five. Yeah, he came. He's just working out. He not mad that I came two hours later He like what up What we doing What we doing What we working on So I showing him how to cross over do all this stuff And at this point he like a sponge right So he just learning all this stuff And I'll never forget, like, his first year in the NBA. My first year in the NBA, if you look on the highlight when he dunked on Ben Wallace, I'm right here on the baseline next to Ben Wallace. And I'm telling Ben, like, yo, he going right to left cross. I showed him. He going right to left cross. So then he crosses, comes down the lane, and dunks on Ben Wallace. And he's like, and at this point, you know, when you're ABCD and you're young, all the kids are like, you know, not hating on him, but you know how we tease people. You're like, oh, you think you Jordan. You think this, you think that. And he was like, what? I'm going to be better than Jordan. Are you crazy? He was like, Jordan shoot 1,000 jump shots. I'm shooting 2,000 mates. So you got to think, at 50%, he done shot 4,000, right? A day. this is drive so like when he get in the NBA and they start calling him Showtime and him and Shaq and all these people beefing and all that he was already so immune to it whereas Kobe used to get on the bus with headphones on with no music just so he could hear people talk about him right this is how vicious he was so like when people talk about him it's kind of like for me it's personal it's like the thing with Steph like I seen him at that age like where he was shooting, like you said, the discipline. He was shooting 2,000 jump shots back then. He wanted to play against Jalen Rhodes and Jerry Stackhouse in high school back then. It was like, no, I'm the guy. Like, don't compare me to this person, that person. So, like, that right there made me and him to, like, to a 25-year relationship to where under his timely demise, I was training his daughter, right? So I have a picture in my house where it's me, his daughter, the other two girls. I have a picture of Miles right now. Everybody in the picture is dead but me. Because they was on a plane, right? So it's like, and the crazy thing about what his daughter was, he flies me to LA. He's like, he called me. He's the only person that could do it. He called me. He's like, hey, I need you to train my daughter how to dribble. And this time I'm working with the Mavs. This story's crazy. I'm working with the Mavs. The kids know this story. So I'm with the Mavs. He's like, yo, I'm going to fly you to LA. I want you to work my daughter out hunting the girls. And I'm like, what girls? He's like, my girls team. I got like four of them. They're going to go to UConn. They're going to blame Gray. I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, I get there. He's like, hey, we're going to start practice at 6 in the morning. He said, we're going to do 6, 8, and 12. So I was like, you want them to work out six hours? And he was like, yeah. He was like, I only want them dribbling. And I was like, oh, they can't dribble six hours, bro. He's like, no, we're going to do two hours at a time. I just want them dribbling. I go there. I start working with his daughter. She's just like him. What you got, coach? What you got, coach? Now, all the parents is there watching me train them. Eight o'clock come. Coach just dropped the ball, take his daughter, walk out. Come back. I'm like, you know, we're going to do some shooting. No, he's like, nah, I just want them dribbling. I'll take care of the shooting. Just want them dribbling. But she's like, what we got? And I'm like, Cole, they can't do this the whole week, bro. And she was like, every day I walked in there, Coach, what we got? We got more? Oh, Coach, look, I learned this from earlier. So that's why when all this stuff happened, it was just so, like, unsurreal for me because I meet people today that talk about, yeah, you know, Cole this, Cole my God, this, that. They don't even know. They asked me to introduce him to his sister. So it's kind of like what Kits said, like you saying you know somebody, somebody's your best friend or your mentor. How you going to know their sister, right? And I just saw his sister like a month ago. And she was just like, it's so crazy how when we was in high school, my brother used to come to the house and be like, yo, this the move Sham God be doing. This the move Sham God be doing. So like for me, it's like, like I said, it's no better feeling like all the stuff I went through, you know, going to the NBA, not finishing, whatever, it's like, God just had a bigger plan for me, right? And when I was young, the only thing I wanted to do was inspire people. I wasn't thinking about being rich. I wasn't thinking about that because to Joe's credit, to like Jay-Z's, to the rich porters of the world and all that, that's all I got from Harlem was inspiration. So that's the only thing I knew that was concrete, right? Is to inspire people. So when the things happen like with Colb and the people that was pulling my life to even being on this podcast right now to the Mark Cubans of the world, to being a part of Roc Nation, stuff like that. It's like, there's no better feeling for me, right? So it's like everything I asked for, I always say I got. So that's why I'm like real big on being spiritual and real big on knowing this is bigger than me. You know what I'm saying? Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look No Further Than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike. 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And what ends up happening in our community, it ends up happening with, you know, notable figures, is sometimes we underestimate what they had to overcome to be who they are. That's a real thing. Like, Jada Kiss, I know this human being. It's overcome some stuff. this fat Joe that he acts like is because of this crack where he stood up has overcomes his stuff right? God, shame God has literally overcomes his stuff and the beauty of this audience and the beauty of this opportunity is to like inspire people. That's really what we want to do. When you make music I hear you talk about this all of the time you got so many hit records He got inspired to people And I just want to go back Because they twisted your words Shout out to Diddy I ain't throw no shots at you Because you know how they twist your shit We're not going to kick him all you down He's with my guys in jail So he's really really good Shout out to the soldiers in Fort Dix Over the down What would you be And those Waymo vehicles on the street Where would y'all be if you had Instagram? Where would y'all be? Oh, no, forget about it. I want everybody to ask this. Where would you be if you had Instagram? Back came out. Yeah. Say that again. Where would you be if you had Instagram? I'd be lean back. Well, first of all, I'd be in jail. I wouldn't be here. Yeah, I wouldn't be here. I'd be in jail. I wouldn't have a wife. I agree. Oh, he said it fucked me up. That'd be the worst thing for me. That'd be the worst thing for my life. Financially, I'd have been like, Despacito like man that shit would have been over a billion serves that lean back in the Instagram imagine everybody you would have seen churches that was the most fat friendly dance you ever seen in your life facts that shit would have been out of here how did lean back happen man they keep telling us we gotta go really quick They're not leaving. The Jamaicans was killing the gang. So they had a signature plane, a Rockaway, a underhand, a running man, and all that shit. So when we came up with the beat, me and Scott Storch, we in Catholic Studio, and I was like, yo, this shit got to be a simple hook. And we didn't know yet. Stuff we know now, we didn't know. But I knew that I had to make a simple hook that even a little kid could sing. And we spitting all the time. I don't give a fuck about all that. And I just said, yo. And they be looking at me like, crack, what you think? I say, man, my people don't dance. We just pull up our pants and do the rock. I lean back. I lean back. I lean back. And he was like, yo, that shit crazy. And it was out of here. We repeated it twice. And that's how I learned how to make hits like Make It Rain. And, you know, like even when, if you think R&B, let me get real quick. But when you got records where they like, they tell you that ain't it. Like when the R&B singers are blowing to the point of we can't even mimic it. And like that's not a hit. It got to be something that we can sing along to even though we can't sing. You know? you know like it's hard to sing and I am telling you I'm not going hey before wrapping up who had the best McDonald's All American class right also shout rock nation shout McDonald's All American get your fries extra salty well done who's 96 95 is the best McDonald's All American class who's 95 I might have been off for you Garth Shamgart, Stephon Marbury, Paul Pierce, Antoine Jamison, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett, Tractor Trailer, Chris Clack, Chauncey Billups, Louis Bullock. What's 96 now? 96 is Jermaine O'Neal, Kobe Bryant. Steve Nash. No, no, Steve Nash. That's the drive. You're talking about the drive. I'm talking about the high school. Oh, all the time. McDonald's American. Jermaine O'Neal. Stack Jack, Rip Hamilton. That next year? Yeah, that's the next year. Rip Hamilton. Shaheen Holloway. We are arguably the best dunker ever. Vince. We are arguably one of the best dribblers ever, me. You. That's the best dunker ever. You had Stephon Marbury, culture changer. Yeah. You had Kevin Garnett that changed the whole algorithm. Yeah. Wow. You had Chauncey Billows, big shot. Yeah. You had Tractor Trailer. Rest in peace. Rest in peace. You had Paul Pierce. The truth. Ron Mercer. Yep. Bro, we ain't... That's a crazy class. When you answered the question, this ain't that. That ain't that. That ain't this. It's cracking kiss, goddammit. Make some noise for jiggling the sham guards, you heard? Woo! McDonald's All-American, the dot. Yes. this year stepping at that three McDonald's All-Americans who we represent. New York, New York. We got the Ratliff twins and we got one more going. They going to USC and he going and the other dude is going to Michigan State. So I need to ask one question on the walkout because I got to take an old man piss. I got to take an old man piss. I got to ask my brother to kiss. Sky Rizzy. Sky Rizzy. You know that ain't even I looked it up. That ain't even for when you got a piss. You be saying shit for no reason. Yo. Flag on to play. So I got a question for both of y'all. Let me ask my question. I love you, Joe. Who's the best? Your jacket is flas. Talk to me. What the media did with the fan five with the fan five is what Joey cracked. He tried to act like his name came from his crack of the bag. I cannot believe you tried to do that. Simple question. Who is the best female basketball player right now? Candace Parker. Right now. I'm saying it. Come on. Asia Wilson. Kareem. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson. You're not going Caitlin Clark? Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson, dog. Sit in the hat. Asia Wilson. You're not going Juju Watson. No, you got to sit this one out. Asia Wilson. You got to sit this one out, dog. I love Juju. Asia Wilson. Asia Wilson, dog. No, Asia's the truth. No, no. All right, hold up. I love you so much that I'm not going to say. Who the light-skinned girl, the pretty one? I don't give a... The light-skinned girl. What's her name? You know who I'm talking about. No, I get PTSD because of your question. No. So when I'm telling you... Asia is the best. But who's the light-skinned girl? Let him get his question, dog. No. Huh? Juju. No, Juju's... She's going to take all of them. Yeah. She's taking the ball out. Who's light-skinned girl? Juju from L.A. Juju from LA, she going to take Juju Watkins. She's going to take all of them out. I'm telling you. He no student. No, the white girl. What's the light-skinned girl? She play like Melo. Nafisa? Nafisa. Yeah. Nice, too. Nafisa nice. Nafisa dead nice. I like the home in that. But you didn't ask. AJ is the best. AJ. Thank you. You didn't ask me who was nice. You asked me who was the best. AJ is the best. There's not a WBA player baiter Asia Wilson right now. There's not. Yes. That's a fact. There's not. Now, what's your question? For clickbait, for clickbait, because I got to take an old man, Kaden Clark. So, come here, Joe. I got a question. Come here, Joe. Let him get his question. Come here, Joe. I love you very much. Come here, Joe. Because I got a treat for the crowd. So, like, these are, like, legendary figures to baffle. So that's what it is. So that's what it is. Go use the bat. Skyris. So I'll ask Jada until Joe come back. Because I always wanted to know this because, like, I'm a Detroiter. And, like, Blade Icewood was our king. Rest in peace. And he died, you know, very young. And I saw this happen with Nipsey Hussle. I saw this happen with multiple artists that, like, died before they were able to, like, in my opinion, like, really kill the game. Yeah, Big L. Correct. Big L is another one. So I want to ask Jada Kiss in front of y'all, and I want y'all, I want you to give you, I'm going to give you a second to think about it. I want to know your favorite Biggie verse. because I was thinking about this on the way here. I have like 19,000 my favorite Jada kids' verses. So I know this is going to be a tough question for you. Something that he said. Something that touched your soul. Something that's miserable for you. It's the song he got with Tracy Lee. Oh yeah. The rings and things you think about bring him out. It's hard to yell with the burrell in your mouth. I got a new mouth to feed. Do something with keys. Y'all pick C's out your weed. I watch Cowichs bleed. Pick C's out your weed. Motherfucker, please. It's my block and my rock. Fuck that hip hop, the one twos. And you don't stop me and my man Lance. It's a Kim and C's advance. For 10 minutes, four pounds of weed plants. From Branson. Now we lampin' 12-room mansion Get naked off Get money Play his anthem Don't forget All the hits All the shit Niggas kick me counterfeit Robin come naturally And then I'll like Fuckin' rapidly Pass the gap to me Tom Favs They don't lie B-I-G forever Thank y'all Thank y'all for coming out. Thank y'all for the love. Definitely. Appreciate you. You don't got to go home. You got to get the... Get out of here. And so, and so I want to ask the same question of Fat Joe. I got Sky Rizzy. And by the way, Joe and the Sky Rizzy. I got a discovery. Joe, you're not fat anymore. Jack, come up here. What are we doing? I spent all my money on promoting fat Joe. What you doing, man? Come on, snap out. I got my brother Jason Terry in the building, man. You're not fat anymore. Yo, I was going to bring you up, Jason Terry. The Jack makes some noise for the championship. Jason Terry, Dallas Maverick. Fucking Joe. Utah Jazz assistant coach. So I want to ask the same question as Joey that thinks we call him crack because he was in third grade and stood up and somebody looked at the back of his ass. And he want to sell that to us. I love you very much. Thank you. Fancy Smith. Thank you. We don't call you crack because of that. Just so you know. We call you crack because of... What is the question, J.A. Bro? The question is your favorite big pun verse. The middle one. Mine is... I need you to catch that. The harsh realities of life are taking toll, even Jesus Christ, for sake my soul. You ain't a killer still learning how to walk from New York to Cali or my real niggas Cavalry Chalk. Walk you to death, won't even talk. That East to West crap from Ross to left, crack. Big Pun that still ain't a killer It's crazy Rest in peace That's my favorite Big Pun song Everybody else would just say Get in the middle That guy That guy was crazy He wrote records in his sleep True story He wrote records in his sleep He would nod out He had that shit where you fall asleep That's Styles P Styles P does that too That's why he's the ghost man He put the beat on, go to sleep, wake up, go in the pool. That's Styles. Turn on the beat, turn all the lights off, the electricity, everything. He wake up, he got the whole song. That's the craziest shit ever. I thought Punt was to fall asleep, wake up and be like, yo, give me the book. Start writing the whole song that he heard in his sleep. And I'll be like, damn, that night he was beyond talented and gifted. And even though I discovered Pun, he taught me so much. That's why I, you know, the whole game when Big Pun passed, because he was so much better than me, they thought it was over for Fat Joe. They counted him out. What? No, everybody. They couldn't count. My best friends, they didn't know I went to the school of Big Pun. He taught me how to write. He taught me how to make hits. Yo, I got 30 minutes. I got to go get these unions. Yo, listen, everybody. Joe and Jada. Love, sports. Joe and Jada. Love, love, love, love. Jada Rose, Sham God. Love, love, love. We love you. Yo, Callie, what's up? God, Sham God. Yo, Callie, what's up? Teach your son to Sham God. McDonald's All-American. Teach your daughter to Sham God. Yes. Shout out McDonald's All-American. Shout out to all the McDonald's All-Americans. They changed a bunch of lives. And I got to say this because it's the McDonald's All-American event. And I didn't say this, but I want to say this. as a basketball player, when you realize that you're going to the McDonald's game, that's the first time you realize you're going to the league. Yes, you got a shot. Is that right? 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