Summary
Hour 2 of Kentucky Sports Radio features Matt Jones and Drew discussing college basketball coaching dynamics, including a confrontation between Cal Perry and Todd Golden at the Arkansas-Florida game. The hosts analyze coaching philosophies, recruiting strategies for Mark Pope's UK basketball program, and debate which SEC basketball coaches would win in a hypothetical fight.
Insights
- Shortened rotations have been key to UK basketball's recent success, with Pope effectively managing playing time to stabilize performance
- Successful basketball programs use different recruitment models—Duke's multi-year development approach differs from portal-heavy strategies like Michigan's, suggesting no single winning formula
- Coaching presence and psychological influence with referees (demonstrated by Don Staley) can materially impact game outcomes through subtle communication rather than confrontation
- Fan fatigue with repetitive broadcast announcers (Jimmy Dykes) affects engagement even when the announcer provides quality analysis
- Mark Pope's recruiting approach lacks a clear philosophy compared to established programs, creating uncertainty about long-term roster construction
Trends
Portal-heavy recruiting becoming dominant strategy in college basketball, shifting away from traditional high school recruitmentCoaching staff loyalty and retention as competitive advantage for program stability and institutional knowledgeReferee management through positive reinforcement and pattern-planting emerging as coaching skill differentiatorShortened rotation models improving team chemistry and performance consistency in college basketballGenerational coaching transition challenges as legendary coaches retire and successors establish new philosophiesWomen's college basketball gaining mainstream broadcast attention and production quality parity with men's gamesShort-form content (18-20 minute films) gaining traction on streaming platforms as alternative to traditional feature-length productions
Topics
College Basketball Recruiting StrategyMark Pope Coaching PhilosophyUK Basketball Roster ConstructionSEC Basketball Coaching DynamicsReferee Management TechniquesPlayer Rotation OptimizationPortal Transfer Market StrategyWomen's College Basketball CoachingBroadcast Announcer SelectionCollege Basketball Tournament PreparationCoaching Staff Loyalty and RetentionHigh School vs. Transfer Recruitment BalanceBasketball Program Sustainability ModelsCoaching Personality and Fan PerceptionNCAA Tournament Predictions
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People
Mark Pope
UK basketball head coach; central figure in discussion about recruiting philosophy, rotation management, and coaching...
Cal Perry
Former UK basketball coach; referenced in confrontation with Todd Golden and discussed regarding coaching legacy and ...
Todd Golden
Arkansas basketball coach; involved in sideline confrontation with Cal Perry; discussed as potential SEC coaching fig...
Don Staley
South Carolina women's basketball coach; analyzed for masterful referee management and psychological coaching techniques
John Shire
Duke basketball coach; praised for establishing sustainable winning program model and effective recruiting strategy
Rick Barnes
Tennessee basketball coach; discussed as oldest SEC coach and eliminated early in hypothetical coaching fight scenario
Stephen Pearl
Auburn basketball coach; identified as young, athletic SEC coach contender in hypothetical fight discussion
Nate Oates
Alabama basketball coach; discussed as fiery personality with competitive temperament in coaching fight analysis
Dennis Gates
Missouri basketball coach; elevated in fight rankings after revelation of military background and competitive nature
Lamont Paris
South Carolina basketball coach; identified as physical linebacker-type coach with legitimate fight potential
Porter Moser
Oklahoma basketball coach; noted as fit, angry-looking coach with potential fight credentials despite age concerns
Chris Jans
Mississippi State basketball coach; nicknamed 'the dentist' for tough defensive approach; fight contender
Josh Hopkins
UK fan and producer of Oscar-nominated short film 'The Singers' on Netflix; discussed for supporting local talent
James Taurico
Texas state legislator and Democrat running in primary election; Matt Jones expressed personal political support
Tom Hart
Sports broadcaster; praised for giving props to John Short during UK game broadcast and postgame coverage
Quotes
"I like Jimmy a lot as a person. I think he's a pretty good announcer. He clearly always knows the UK team well. But he's also somebody who is still in that mode of coaches who like the coach is always right no matter who the coach is."
Matt Jones•Early in Hour 2
"Cal doesn't even have to hide. Kenny knows. Matt's going to talk trash. I'll get in front of him."
Drew (discussing Kenny Payne as Cal's assistant)•During Cal Perry-Todd Golden confrontation discussion
"I think Pope has to figure out what's the way to do it that works for him. But I haven't seen a consistent philosophy yet."
Matt Jones•Recruiting strategy discussion
"She would say exactly what she wanted to exploit when she wanted to. She would be very much like, that player's not good. Go at her."
Matt Jones•Discussing Don Staley's coaching technique
"I just wish our fans would lay off the guy. There's a chance he could come back."
Caller Eric•Discussing JQ and injury recovery expectations
Full Transcript
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And the least favorite. We get a lot of his games. Yes. I have mixed emotions about you. I like Jimmy a lot as a person. I think he's a pretty good announcer. He clearly always knows the UK team well. But he's also somebody who is still in that mode of coaches who like the coach is always right no matter who the coach is. I take up for the coach. Did it with Cal. Does it with Pope. And it includes a little bit of the sort of yelling at fans going. and he's very much like, why are y'all so upset? And we've had him consistently for so long. You hear drive the nail over and over and over. He didn't do the jet, but it was mine. I like the jet. I get the exhaustion of hearing the same guy. Last year, it was worse. I even wrote a post about it mid-year, but we had Carl Ravitch and Jimmy Dykes so many games last year, and the record was terrible. So I think you just get a little bit of exhaustion hearing the same voice over and over. I think he's good, though. He points out things that I think are good for us that don't know the intricacies of the game. He points out stuff that helps me understand why something happened. No, he does. He does. I like the tournament because I just feel like the announcers make it sound bigger. Kevin Harlan, Ian Eagle. It just feels like a lot more. I don't know how exactly to say it. CBS just always feels like a better production. I just feel like they do it the right job. We forget that those games are on, but I turned on yesterday and that Purdue-Ohio State game, you can feel the energy. Sometimes I don't know that ESPN does it the best. All right, so get the phones here in just a second. Let's talk about my man, John Cal Perry and Todd Golden giving each other the old onesie-twosie. Florida just destroyed Arkansas. They were up by 30 and there were still 10 minutes to go. I still don't even know what they were fighting about. But at some point, they get in an argument. And I'm still not 100% sure what happened. It looked like Todd Golden maybe said something to Cal. But I'm not sure what it would have been about. Do you? No, because it's on Cal. And you see him snap. Kind of like a whatever. It's you talking to me or don't yell at me. What? You talking to me? Yeah, that. Who are you? You can see. He's like, what? And then Cal has probably done the best job of any coach in history at having multiple guys to hold him back, Shannon. He's got a lot of hold-me-back guys. Without fighting him off. And it's good to have hold-me-back guys. That way you never have to fight. And you look really tough. Yeah. It's like if Kenny Payne wasn't here, you'd be seeing these guns. You think Cal could actually fight if he had to fight? No, but Cal's like me. can't fight, will talk. Yes. Talk and then go hide behind Kenny Payne. Well, no. Kenny Payne's enough of a good loyal assistant. Cal doesn't even have to hide. Kenny knows. Cal needs me in front so he can yell. Kenny Payne is Cal's parent. Yeah. Parent's great. Parent knows. Yep. Matt's going to talk trash. I'll get in front of him. Todd Golden had a corner guy, too, though. Now, here's the problem. Todd Golden's guy, though, is not – he doesn't understand the game as much. He had to pull him. Todd Golden – see, again, Cal and I have something in common. We look like – who knows? Because we're bigger guys. Todd Golden's a real skinny fella. He's got little baby arms. And so he talks trash, and no one's scared of him. I think 67-year-old Cal thought he could beat Todd Golden up. Don't you? He's not-nosed, little nerdy. I think he probably could, actually. I think he probably could have, too. So if you're going to talk trash like Todd Golden, you've got to have dudes who will hold you back. And nobody was rushing to hold him back. Nobody. There was nobody rushing to hold him back. So Todd is kind of left naked in the wind, yelling. And as Cal turns around and goes, you want a piece of me? if you'll notice in the video todd golden pulls yes one of his assistants in front of me the classic kill move in wrestling oh he did he was like he was like bobby heenan throwing a guy in front of him he's like hey you're supposed to be holding me back let me get behind you and yell he literally grabs his shirt shitted and pulls him to him yeah the cameras caught it so here's the think cow over the years in part because he's continued to hire these dudes even when they're not good he gets loyalty he's got these guys they know what they're supposed to do yeah and todd golden's like wait a minute you're supposed to be up here behind you and nobody to get his front yeah todd todd had nobody in his front and when you're that little you're gonna need somebody in your front but i really liked it drew i enjoyed the whole uh the whole mess up see i saw it as cow having a little pent up like todd golden was me once upon a time he's got oh you think so he's got the ring on his finger he's won the regular season and the sec tournament in the last couple years he's the hot name so you think he was like looking back in time and this was me 30 years ago and it's like i have to show younger me that older me still has that fire so you're that's interesting i saw a Big picture thoughts. Because whatever Golden yelled, it shouldn't have triggered him that much. Yeah, so you're saying like he's... It's like he was looking at his past. It's like that movie we were talking about, Crazy Heart. Jeff Bridges saw Colin Farrell. I was him. And now he's more successful than I am. But I have to let him know I'm still him. But I'm still the king. Yes. And I have these guys that will hold me back. I'm the king and I'm losing by 40. And you know... See? That's what I'm saying. It's built up a little bit. That's true. Todd Golden's a Bruce Pearl protege. probably the pearl influence over him probably encourages him to be a little more anti-cow i liked and it seemed like our fan base sided with cow i think so i think there's also maybe in my in my scenario they're looking at golden getting a little cocky a little big for his britches at age 40 even though he has success and maybe a little sympathy for the older uh statesman yeah in those ugly coats why i don't know why does he wear those coats shannon he used to be mr fashion oh yeah the red well how did he get to arkansas and start wearing like pizza both wearing those clothes those coats i mean they're wearing like barbershop poles as they're like why does he wear that pizza tablecloths is the good i mean he cal you were so i mean there's got to be some suits with red in it that can look better than they get uglier every game it is a hard color to pull off pull off does anybody require you to wear no no i guess if you're just trying to show it i mean he didn't always wear kentucky blue when he was here no i guess he usually wore black suits and a blue tie can he not wear black suits and a red tie i don't know those jackets are awful it's all that tyson money he has he can just wear whatever he wants nothing makes my mom matter than those jackets really probably every time shannon they're in a nationally televised the game mom texts me and goes cal and his stupid jacket what if it's a situation where like ellen went out and like got all these jackets for him and now he feels obligated to wear them because she you know like when somebody buys you something you feel like you're obligated well see i'm not married i usually when people buy me things and i don't wear them i'm just like i wear them when i don't see you i think he only had but but you can't do that when you're married to somebody yeah it seems only has three of them too there's like a rotation of the small picnic table pizza hut wind the one he had in the golden i've got to think ellen thinks they look bad too no woman is looking at those jackets going well she i think she would tell them though if she thought they looked bad yeah but he's the kind of guy who'd be like oh you don't understand well no he would that's what he would do she's the one he should be trying to look good for if anybody yeah i agree those are those are awful just please let them meet in the sec tournament nashville let them play one more time no we don't need that what golden and cow yeah i thought you're saying kentucky no i don't want to play arkansas i'd rather i'd rather avoid them both just for absolutely but i want okay yeah yeah golden cow yes one person writes matt i saw you at the youth basketball game yesterday i was very surprised to see you but glad you supported your friends kids did it make you want to have kids no but i do think i can see why people like like i was pulling for for for max right like i can see how people like their kids playing sports yet and so yeah I could see it but it didn't make me just have my biological clock even when you saw the dude that looked like you out there that could be my kid out there playing I would support him every Sunday plot twist it actually was stop you know I did think about because the parents are all very into it they're very encouraging one of the highlights of my life I was calling a lot more walks Oh, you were. You had to let him go. I was like, he showed up. It's not a jump stop ref. You'd be the parent like Ryan getting kicked out of the game. No, I wouldn't get kicked out of the game. I was kind of laughing and I was cheering on everyone. I was seeing like, some of these kids have good shoes. You know? Checking out their sneakers? Yeah. The new Tatum, that's kind of nice, you know? Let's go to Jeff. Go ahead, Jeff. I got a quick question and quick statement Statement first I think our recent success especially probably around the last 10 games has been because we shortened the rotation What are your thoughts on that Totally agree with you. Totally agree. And I think Pope did a masterful job with the rotation this week. He's really wanted to play 10 to 13 minutes a game for those guys, and they've been a disaster. But he found it to work well to where they kind of held serve while they were in. So I thought he did a great job with it this week. The guy that settled in the role is a lot better, it seems like, also. Yeah, I agree. My question was, recruiting-wise goes, how would you delegate your money if it was Coach Matt Jones? Would you, one stud, high school player, one stud, poor player, delegate the money? All right, so I appreciate the call. So I thought about this during my drive back from Madisonville Friday because I was looking at, all right, who are the – Not just who's good this year, but what programs seem to be set up the best. And it looks like, for the most part, Duke, as much as it pains me, is set up to be good like every year. And what they're doing, essentially, is they're basically keeping it within and maybe bringing in one or two transfers. They're getting a high school class with like six guys. One or two are studs. But what Shire's doing is he's bringing in a lot of 30th, 60th, 40th, and those guys are staying multiple years. And that's what he's doing. And I think that's working. But I don't think that's the only way you have to do it. I think you can bring in one portal star, one – like, okay, so UConn brought in some high school stars, but then got a bunch of transfers too, and it's worked. with only one guy that stayed all four years, that Alex Karaban. Michigan's pretty much all transfers. So, Drew, there's a lot of different ways to do it. I think Pope has to figure out what's the way to do it that works for him. But I haven't seen a consistent philosophy yet. And so I don't know what his philosophy is. I don't either. But if it were me, I'm probably top eight, maybe a ninth, or getting my money in the rest. I just don't want to have too many pieces like we do this year that have expectations of playing. I think Cal even said something similar to this recently. And then you've got to, even if you have to overpay, you have to get a stud, whether it's the number one player in high school or one of the portal guys that you just know are sure things. If you get to the table and another school is overpaying a little bit and maybe you don't want to put that up, you still have to for just an alpha to be on your team. I'm getting one stud guard, one stud big, and one stud high school guy and then filling in around them. Yeah. That, to me, is the perfect thing. And then every year getting two or three secondary high school guys that you bring up through your system. I think that's where Pope kind of messed up this year. He brought in Aberdeen, Diabate, and Cam Williams. All were six men coming in. He didn't get a star. Didn't get a dude. Now, he probably would tell you he thought Jalen Lowe would be that, but got hurt, et cetera. But, yeah, you've got to get a star. You have to. Now that we have no top high school recruits, when the portal rankings come out, we better get two of the top 10 and three of the top 25 if we're going to be good next year. Do you agree with that? I do agree with that. Do you think Patino's new philosophy where he's not even said he's not even going to recruit high school kids? I think that works for a guy who's 70-plus years old and doesn't have very long. I don't think it's the best strategy for a long-term bill. But Rick's probably thinking, this is a one-year contract every year. Yeah. And he said that a year or two ago when we still had some 25-year-olds and 26-year-olds. That's going down. That's going to slowly go down, too. All right, we'll take a break. 859-280-2287, KSI. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpwright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Jermaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. 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Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. welcome back to Kentucky Sports Radio 859-280-2287 alright I like this question first of all one person says Matt how do you think Cal Perry would have won the fight he's not big how could you say he's big he's bigger than you think he's like 6'1 I think Mario looked it up he's 6'2 maybe he's bigger than you think you think he's little because he's around all those tall dudes yeah I bet he weighs now I mean, he's gotten kind of big again. I bet it's weird because his weight fluctuates a lot, too. He's like Mark Stoops. He looked really good in the summer, and he seems to put some of that weight back. But he probably weighs 240, 250. He's from blue-collar Pittsburgh. He can fight a fight. All right, so that gets to the second question. Royal Rumble of SEC basketball coaches. We've done this for football. Yeah. Let's do it for basketball. All the SEC basketball coaches get in a fight. Who you got? Let's go through the candidates. Todd Golden. He's out first. Oh, I think he's a contender. Is he cheap? Hang on, hang on. Nate Oates. Steven Pearl. Cal. Rick Barnes. Rick Barnes is out first. Well, Chris Beard. Chris Beard. Yeah. Okay. Who's the Mississippi State coach? Chris Jans. Chris Jans. The dentist. Bucky McMillan. We'll see him. He's young. Who's the Texas coach? Sean Miller. Sean Miller. Georgia is Mike White Byington at Vanderbilt Byington at Vanderbilt Missouri, the guy that always looks Dennis Gates and then the South Carolina guy Lamont, Paris Who you got? None of those stick out to me as an obvious winner Todd Golden's my winner He's young He's a snot-nosed little snot Who you going to put over him? You can't put Todd Golden I'll take Stephen Pearl. Everybody else is old. Lamont Paris will beat Todd Gold. Mark Pope's got the hype that he's too nice of a guy. He's too special. I'm going to eliminate myself. Let me tell you something. Mark Pope's got reach, though. These little dudes are going to be trying to get near him, and he's 6'11". I love Pope, but did you see him punch that whiteboard? I agree with you. I'm not saying he's... That whiteboard laughed at him. Rick Barnes is a first out. Can we agree? Rick Barnes, because he's 1,000. Yeah, age will get him. I think Chris Jans is a guy that could be sneaky really good because he's kind of got that fire, that little temper. Why do they call him the dentist? That's it, because he's playing against him. It's painful. Like going to the dentist's office, you have to go up against him. He's Isaac Yankum of the Rumble, Matt. Okay, so you're picking Todd Gold. I think that's a weak pick. Kind of easily. Well, he's 40. He played college basketball not even 20 years ago. Isn't he like 5'9"? No, I'd say he's over 6'0". I'd say him and Rick Barnes are the first two out. I'm with you. I don't get Todd Goldenlove over here. I feel like Nate Oates is really fiery, though. You know, like, he's not a big guy, but he has a temper. I feel like he would cheat. I could see him, like, doing an eye poke. He'd be bringing in somebody from the G League. What's the Vandy guys? He's all right. He's out early, dude. Y'all have not given me one contender. Chris Beard? No. He'd be in top five, though. I'm taking Lamont Paris. Just visually. He looks like a linebacker a little bit. He looks like a linebacker. I mean, he clearly can't coach, so he's got to be able to do something. Fight. Bucky and Bianton are both out in the first era. Yeah. But we do have a wimpy set of coaches. We do. Who's in Oklahoma? Is it Porter? Porter Moser. See, I can't think of what he looks like. He dresses like a villain in superhero movies with his black shirt. He actually looks like he's in shape, though, this Porter Moser guy. Does he? Yeah. See, I mean, I would have said Jerry Stackhouse if this were two years ago. Jerry Stackhouse would have won two years ago. But Byington's not going to win. What's Cal doing? Is Cal in it very long? No, I got the hip issues. Good point. I got to think about age. Most of these people are 60, close to it, or older. Well, not anymore, though. The amount of 60-year-olds in the league has gone away. I mean, we're down to Cal and Rick Barnes. Moser's 59. You got Rick Barnes. You got Cal. Okay, so 59. Moser's not winning. How old is Lamont Paris? Not sure, but Sean Miller's probably close to my age, too. Sean Miller's not winning. He's sweating a lot, though. Buckingham Miller's going out early, too. Yeah, Buckingham Byington. Yeah, I don't think there is an answer to this. It's golden. It's golden. To be honest with you, this would be a great fight to watch. Well, if we're talking about eighth, then, Stephen Pearl's got to be maybe one of the youngest guys in the league. Well, what about Stephen Pearl? Yeah. He's wiry. He's probably my second. I'd probably go golden, Stephen Pearl, Chris Beard. That's my three. I have to tell you, it would be quite a battle. Mike, go ahead, Mike. I think Moser's the guy for that. He's cut. He looks like he's mad all the time. He is. He does. He looks like an Army drill sergeant, Moser does. He does. He does. Going back to the Arkansas-Florida game, Golden told Cal to get off the floor. I didn't know if you could read his lips and tell Cal, and we all know Cal stays on the floor. So he told him to get off the floor. Oh, well, that would make Cal mad. That would make Cal mad. I could see it. Yep. So they were yelling back and forth. He told Cal to get off the floor. Cal responded. I couldn't tell what he said. When the ref teed Cal up, Cal told the official, thank you. I didn know if you saw that either So a couple of odd things that happened They gave them both a technical so it really didn matter So that probably why I didn care Did you happen to catch Tom Hart giving props to John Short? I did, yeah. He did the biggins. He does that about once a year. He did that. Yeah, I thought Tom was great. I love – listen, I appreciate the call. I love Tom doing games because he knows us, and he called the postgame show. On his way to the airport. So Tuesday night, he's bringing up Mr. Rogers' puppet. Is that going to be what he's going to drop on Tuesday night? You need to let him do it. You can't tell him what to do. You've got to let him figure out. Organically. Yeah, he's got to figure it out organically. And he did the left and right vocal cord organically. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I told him that one. Oh, he did? Drew does give you some really good nuggets. I saw him at halftime. I talked to him during the break. He told me I looked like crap. It was a good conversation. Austin, I didn't think you looked bad. Austin, go ahead. Yeah, what about Run D-O-C for the name, nickname? Like it. Like it, but the problem is you already had, appreciate the call, Run T-O, what is it? Run what was it? Tim Hardaway and T-M-C. I think it's got to be A-O-C, people. A-O-C's good. Somebody says that Dennis Gates was in the military. That may elevate him up in my list. Kind of younger guy. Does that change you? Got some fight? Yeah, military experience takes you right to the top. Steven Pearl's apparently jacked. Moser seems to be what most fans pick. But I don't know if Dennis Gates was in the military. Gates is only 46. Yeah. I'm putting him above Golden now. I'll go Gates, Golden, Pearl. No Moser. Moser seems a little crazy, and sometimes crazy wins these fights. Interesting. He's about to get fired anyway. I think 6'10 Pope as well. Being that tall is going to help. He did fight bigs in the NBA. This is a beautiful fight. Yes, we'll take a break. Be right back, KSR. TJ Smith, personal injury attorney. Call TJ. He'll make him pay. Now, more of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's Matt Jones. Welcome back, Kentucky Sports Radio. Fans are all over the place on who they think they would win that Rumble. If it goes to show, I think it would be a good fight. I think Rick Barnes is the only one I know has no chance. And Cal. But after that. I do have a late entry that might be our favorite. What's that? Don Staley. I want to talk about Don Staley in just a second. Tell me about Stockton Mortgage. Well, this message is for people that are thinking about maybe buying this one this March. So if you know anybody, maybe you want to listen up. Wink, wink. Spring planning starts before spring listings. March is a smart time to prepare for buying or refinance before the market picks up. Stockton Mortgage helps you understand your options early. Love where you live or ready for something new? Whether you're buying your first home or thinking about a change, Stockton Mortgage offers guidance and loan options to support your next move. Learn more at Stockton.com, NMLS 8259, Equal Housing Lender, NMLSConsumerAccess.org. One of the comments on the text machine says, One of the dynamics of the show I think is interesting is Ryan seems to slyly take up for Pope at all times. No matter what happens, Ryan finds a way to say something nice about Pope. Counter to that, Drew seems to always make snide comments about Pope. Does he not like him? What's his deal? do you think both of these guys are on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to pope well i'll let you two answer that i i make fun of everything so if you when you punch a whiteboard like that we're talking about fighting i'm gonna bring it up you do but i i i do think you are more with pope like if there's a spectrum of where we are on coaches you are very rarely the most negative. Although you and I were kind of on the same page on Cal. You're very rarely the most negative. But I think you are with Pope. Ryan's almost always the most positive. Not always, but most of the time. But it does feel like with Pope you're more on the negative side than I've seen you with other coaches. Do you think that's true? Yeah, because they're 19 and 10. I mean, Saturday was fun, but let's not act like this has been a great experience this season. I mean, I loved Saturday, but they've still lost 10 games, so I still have. But do you think you have gotten negative quicker with him than you have other coaches? Oh, yeah, because we haven't had the highs. I mean, I still have several doubts. I mean, I'm not in the anti-Pope campaign. Don't put me in that group. But, I mean, through a year and almost two years of basketball, yeah, I have a lot of concerns. I mean, we do have, what was the Steven Peake thing? We've beaten 12 top 25 teams. we had only beaten 13 in the five previous years. Oh, that's why I'm not anti-aggressive. No, there's several highs, but I'm not going to act like it's perfect either. Yeah. Well, but I don't think Ryan acts like it's perfect. I do think – I think the texter's right. I do think you are more negative about Pope quicker than you have than other people. No, I agree because I haven't had the moments. But I even mean football coaches. I mean, like you are more negative. I've only had stoops, and that's my point. I have the highs of stoops. I have not had highs with Mark Pope except those regular season wins, which I'm not taking away from saying I'm anti-Pope. I'm just saying right now they're 19-10, and I still don't have a lot of optimism about March, even though Saturday was fun and I'm excited. But if we're talking about, yeah, I'd put Stoops ahead of Pope. I'd put Cal ahead of Pope. I just haven't been there with him yet. All right, so Don Staley. Yeah. So I went to the women's game yesterday, and I stood right next to the South Carolina bench. So I spent a lot of the first two quarters of the game just watching Don Staley. fascinating to watch. First of all, you could hear in the timeouts really smart. I can see why they're so good. She would say exactly what she wanted to exploit when she wanted to. She would be very... What I could hear, and I could only hear bits and pieces, but she would be very much like, that player's not good. Go at her. But what was really fascinating was watching her with the refs. She is constantly on the refs. Not in a mean way, but in a like a that, that. And I watched her, Shannon, I watched her get like three calls herself. Meaning she would go moving pick right there. You see how she moved? Moving pick, moving pick. And then the next time down, watch out for the moving pick, moving pick, moving pick. And then the third time down, foul call, moving pick. She basically created the moving pick call. And I'm not saying it wasn't a foul, but she would almost set up calls two calls in advance. She would go, watch her on the block, watch her on the block, watch her knee on the block, and then three times left, foul on the block. I think it might be like a psychological thing, but I would watch her essentially plant the seed in referees' heads. Not so much screaming you're wrong, but saying this is happening, this is happening, and then they'd call it. It obviously works because she gets those calls. No, it works. I'm not even criticizing her. It worked. But it was fascinating to watch her do it. I watched her three times in the first half get calls that she got because of her kind of planting them in the referee's mind. She's not screaming being nasty. She's not screaming you got it wrong. She's saying that happened, don't let it happen again. and then when it does, they would stop. That's a good coach. I mean, calling it ahead of time. And even if she's not being over the top, there has to be a little bit of, I don't know if intimidation is the word, but she does have to carry an aura that most coaches don't. One of the refs you could tell was a little, she would call the ref by name, and you could tell the ref was like, okay. She's calling me out. Yeah. That's Don Staley over there. I just thought it was like a master psychology class watching her. That's why she's so successful. Watching her up close. Will, go ahead, Will. By the way, the women fought back real quick twice last night. They were down 15 the first half, came back and tied it. Then they got down 13 and came back and had a shot at the end of time. So they were not able to win. But by the way, it was a great environment yesterday. It looked awesome on TV. It was awesome. Crowd was into it. You know, South Carolina is just good. They have a couple players that are just better than us. But we were in it at the end. You got a good look, too. Matt, what you were saying with Don Staley might have been the difference in that game yesterday. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, I mean, it may have been. Like, they're just doing that. That's how good of a coach he is. That's how good of a coach he is. But anyway, I really wanted to call on Friday. You guys, I guess, were so packed with phone calls and wanted to wish Drew congratulations on the homecoming. That was cool. And the shot. Wish you guys live-streamed it, by the way. That would have been cool. But I was going to call and say that UK was going to win against Vandy by at least 10, and I look like a genius. So I'm kind of mad. And truly, the one thing I want to say kind of ties back with what you guys were just saying about the coaches and everything. Mark Pope is a fighter, the only coach in the SEC that played in the NBA, if I remember correctly. I would take him in a fight. I want him as our coach. He's better than Cal. We ran Cal out of town. We got to stick with Pope. Hold down the fort. Appreciate the call. He's taking Pope in the fight. Be interesting to have a board. Because I think there's at least six or seven contenders. I think contenders, well, throw Todd Golden in there for Drew. Bruce Pearl. If Dennis Gates was in the military. Excuse me, Stephen Pearl. If Dennis Gates was in the military. Lamont Paris. Porter Moser. Yes. And I'm going to put Pope. That's six legit contenders. That's not even counting the dentist. We were talking during the break. Did Pope get any fights in the NBA against big guys in the NBA? He knows how to fight, maybe. What was the Madisonville thing like for you? Oh, it was awesome. I knew we'd have a big turnout. I even told Ryan and Mario and Billy the night before, like, man, y'all get ready. They're very excited here. I felt it brewing, but nothing like what we actually walked into. I couldn't believe it, but the full bleachers around the court, just a very cool moment. I was shocked how many people were there. It was awesome. And I was shocked how strong Sid's arm was. Poor Sid. almost broke the backboard on his shot. I sent Drew a note. I said, I hope, Drew, you took a minute to step back and appreciate what was happening because they came to that town loves you. And I only wish your mom and dad was there because that was really a special moment for you on Friday. It was. I felt like I knew every face in the crowd. Sunday school teachers, school teachers, old coaches, friends, parents that helped raise me when I was being an idiot and probably TPing some of their houses. Not probably. It was great seeing everyone. It really was. That will be one of my favorite shows we ever do. I'm glad. You deserved it, and it was a lot of fun to be there. It was. And people were so nice. A lot of people took off school and work to come. So thank you to Madisonville. National Sleep Month is here, and better rest is a better mind. If you need gentle support to help sleep or something a little stronger for the restless nights, organic gummies, melatonin-free from cornbread hemp. They keep you from having grogginess or weird dreams. 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Welcome back to Techie Sports Radio. A couple things I want to do before we take calls for the end of the show. So if you were listening to the pregame show, Josh Hopkins, UK fan, was on. He is one of the producers for a movie, a short movie, that's nominated for an Oscar called The Singers. It's nominated for Best Short Movie. These are movies that are 30 minutes or shorter, Shannon. You don't ever see movies that are 30 minutes or short. Sometimes I watch these long movies and I'm like, I wish they'd be 30 minutes. This is perfect for me. This is a perfect thing. And so he has one called The Singers. It's on Netflix. And he came on the pregame show to talk cats and tell people to watch it. So I watched it. First, I thought it was great. Did you all watch it? I was disappointed that it ended. I wanted it to keep going. You wanted it to be 25 minutes. I did. It's a long movie. Yes. Too long. I fell asleep. I wanted it to be a two-hour movie. It was outstanding. It was so well done. I loved it. First of all, I feel like these short movies are your thing. Perfect. You should watch all the nominees. I should watch them all. Because I think right now on Netflix, they're all on. I think you can watch all five of them. All the nominees. They get to the point. I like that. There's no messing around. So I thought the singers, which of course made in part by Kentucky, you know, they, they, Shannon, they found like nine guys who were really good singers on TikTok. Some of them were homeless. Some of them sing in the subway. Some of them just do whatever. And they brought them all together and created this movie. I think I would probably like that. And Drew, I think it's kind of beautiful. like when he said it was beautiful i was like he's just channeling mark pope but it is kind of beautiful and i sat and watched it saturday night with my friend hubby and we both were like this is wonderful so shout out to josh 20 minutes you got just turn on netflix the singers watch it i think everybody will like it yeah i loved it i went and like looked up all the actors because i needed no more well they're not even actors that was their first day none of them have acted before shannon they're all just regular people sounds more like a documentary but it but they're not playing themselves okay and i like it being 18 minutes because i almost felt you know with movies i pick up my phone i just i like set my phone down i was like you can't miss a second in an 18 minute 20 minutes so i was dialed in well i'm glad you liked it i really liked it i do have a question who won the hundred dollars okay no spoilers these people haven't seen it yet well they don't know what I'm talking about. It's only 18 minutes. But they're going to turn. You don't understand the premise of a spoiler alert. Well, how about we let everyone watch it? Yes. And then we can talk about it. I just wish it didn't end. The way it ended, I'm like, come on, I want more. Yeah, Ryan, you want to tell us anything else? For those of you who haven't seen it, you want to go ahead and just tell us what happens? Just leave it. Stop. Stop. It's called The Singers. It's 20 minutes. I think everybody watching will like it. There's some salty language, so maybe you've got to be careful with kits. But everybody else, I think they'll like it. I love the way it was shot, too. Really well done. Yeah, very well done. Great job associate producing. Yes, he did. I look for the credits to see his name scroll up. Tomorrow, by the way, is if you're talking about, this is just me personally. I don't care what anybody else thinks about this. I'm just telling because this is in part about things I like because it's our show. The only election in America I care about until November is tomorrow. Is tomorrow? Yes. What is it? This dude, I told you about him three years ago, James Taurico, the dude that I saw on TikTok years ago, this legislator in Texas that I like a lot. And I don't care if you all like him or not. You don't have to tell me you like him or not. I like him. Christian, running as a Democrat. We don't see a lot of those that are vocal. His primary is tomorrow in Texas, and it's going to be very close. The person he's running against is not, she can't win. We need him to win, or I want him to win. Because if he wins, I'm going to be honest with you, Ryan, I'll probably this summer go to Texas and work for him a little bit. Really? Not officially. I'll volunteer. Sure. Because I like this guy so much. I feel like a little bank question. But he might lose. He could lose. Like, it's very close. So there's the primaries in Texas. That way we're seeing all these Texas political ads. Yes, because the primary is Tuesday. Like, our primary in Kentucky is not until, what, May? May. Seeing a lot of those political ads already, though. Can Nate Morris and Andy Barr just agree? Just chill? Every other commercial break is one of them. And it's going to be like this the whole NCAA tournament. Yep. Does Daniel Cameron have any money? I haven't seen one of his spots. I haven't seen one Daniel Cameron ad. Have you? Maybe he's just letting Nate Morris and all those guys blow their money, and then he'll jump in. Oh, you think he's, like, waiting in the back with a steel chair? Yeah. I just prefer the YouTube Zen where it's just, like, fish on the screen and none of these commercials. Is Nate Morris the guy that's fully woke and full of – is that the one you're talking about that runs? Well, Andy says he's fully woke. Well, there's a ad that runs that says he's fully woke and full of something else. And then Andy Barr's like, I ain't apologizing for being what? What? Or a Christian. Who was asking you to? Anyway, see, that's why Southland can't listen. Well, maybe Daniel Cameron's got too political. That two-minute segment. But Southland, you can watch the singers. Yes, very good. Very well done. Eric, go ahead, Eric. Hey, guys. I tried to call last week, but since you guys brought up JQ and his father being upset, it's been on my mind as well. And I guess it's disappointing. I feel disappointed because I don't see any indication that this is a Shaden Sharp type scenario. I don't either. I don't either. You know, his entourage was pretty vocal about, you know, we don't want him playing. I feel like J.K. would be out there in a heartbeat. Nothing I've seen from that kid. So, you know, he had the chance to go to Arkansas. follow Cal. He didn't. That speaks volumes to me that he wasn't a Cal guy. He was a Kentucky guy and he wanted to come, you know, live out his college dream playing for the cats. And I think Ryan's been kind of on his side as well. A lot just, you know, pointing out to fans that like this guy had a pretty insane injury just in February of last year. And it's amazing that actually came back but i just wish our fans i'm with you know i wish they'd lay off the guy there's a chance he could come back you know yeah i mean yeah i think that's unlikely but i but i appreciate the call i i don't i don't really disagree with you david go ahead david hey guys how we doing today good what's up uh just follow up on the uh tom hart comment about the cats up by 21 biggins just brought a cheer to my eye when he said that. I hope John got to hear it. I appreciate the call. It was very nice of Tom to do. Harper, go ahead, Harper. Hey, what's up, man? Y'all doing all right today? Yes, go ahead. Good. I got in on the show late, so I didn't know that you had already talked about JQ. I was just going to ask about the possibility you think of him coming back. I think it's very low. I'd be very smart. I mean... You there? Go ahead. No, he hung up. Yeah, I think it's very low. Very, very low. Not this late in the game. Just study ahead and practice, and it's the last week of the season. DraftKings, you bet $5. You can win up to $200 in bonus bets. March Madness is coming. The KSR Parlay is here and ready to go. Hit the other day, so we'll be playing a lot more going to the tournament. Iowa State and Arizona, number four versus number two tonight on Big Bundy. I'm a big fan of Arizona. When they're at full strength, they are very, very good. I pick Arizona. I think it spreads like up by eight-ish. I'm going to say Iowa State covers on the road. Arizona pounded Kansas at home. Yeah, they did at home. Who's your pick to win the title right now? Michigan or Arizona or Duke. I didn't know. Okay, but you don't – Who's your pick to win the title? You don't just get to say all the good teams. Who is your pick to win the title? Arizona. Arizona. Surprise pick here, I'll say UConn. UConn. Shannon. Michigan. All right. Duke. See, we all got different ones. Those are the squad, though, right there. Let me just also say, my second, I would go Duke one, Arizona two, Florida third. Yeah. And I think there's a drop-off to the next tier of good teams. Those five, I think, are the best. And then I'll never count out Houston with Kelvin Sampson. But if you make me pick, I think Duke is scary good right now. And I think it's scary good how good John Shire is. You know, most of the time, the whole guy after a legend doesn't work, but he's figured it out. He's figured it out. And you listen to – like I was listening to Sam Vicini talking about it, and he's just like, they're just rolling. They're just set up every year to be good. Yeah. They've got this factory ready. 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