Wendy McLendon-Covey on Roasts, Housewives and Bridesmaids
76 min
•May 12, 202619 days agoSummary
Wendy McLendon-Covey discusses her role in St. Denis, her absence from the Oscars Bridesmaids reunion due to a neck procedure, and provides commentary on reality TV drama including Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Summer House, and the Kevin Hart roast on Netflix. The episode covers celebrity culture, reality TV scandals, and industry insights from an established comedy and television perspective.
Insights
- Reality TV franchises create incestuous relationship dynamics where cast members cycle through romantic partners across shows, creating manufactured drama that keeps audiences engaged but raises ethical concerns about exploitation
- High-net-worth individuals on reality TV often develop shopping addictions as a status symbol and emotional coping mechanism, leading to financial ruin despite substantial incomes
- Roast comedy has evolved from Comedy Central specials to Netflix live events, attracting A-list talent and demonstrating audience appetite for edgy, unfiltered comedy without corporate sanitization
- Vertical video content represents a new production opportunity for established comedians and actors seeking creative control with lower budgets and faster turnaround times
- Strategic silence on social media accusations can be more effective than public defense, as accusers often undermine their own credibility through inconsistent narratives
Trends
Vertical video series gaining traction as alternative distribution model for comedy and entertainment content with lower production budgetsReality TV cast members leveraging franchise appearances to build personal brands and secure additional income streams beyond show salariesNetflix live comedy specials positioning themselves as edgier alternative to traditional broadcast comedy, attracting premium talent and audiencesCelebrity surgical procedures becoming public relations issues when conflicting with high-profile event appearancesReal estate foreclosure narratives emerging as central conflict drivers in luxury-focused reality TV programmingInfluencer and reality TV personality crossover creating new talent pipeline for entertainment industrySocial media accountability culture creating liability for reality TV participants making off-camera statementsDestination wedding and resort-based reality TV concepts gaining creative traction as cost-efficient production models
Topics
St. Denis TV series production and character developmentOscars Bridesmaids reunion and celebrity event attendance decisionsCosmetic surgery and celebrity image managementReal Housewives of Beverly Hills divorce and financial disclosureSummer House relationship drama and reality TV castingKevin Hart Netflix roast comedy specialReality TV franchise interconnectedness and relationship dynamicsShopping addiction and luxury spending patterns among high-net-worth individualsBetty Broderick murder case and true crime media coverageReal Housewives of Rhode Island casting and productionVertical video content production and distributionCelebrity social media strategy and crisis managementReno 911 revival and comedy series developmentBlake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni legal settlementRed carpet fashion and event attendance anxiety
Companies
Netflix
Hosts Kevin Hart roast special and discussed as platform for live comedy content distribution
Bravo
Network producing Real Housewives franchises and Summer House reality TV series discussed throughout episode
Comedy Central
Historical reference point for roast comedy specials before Netflix became primary distributor
Peacock
Mentioned as potential platform exploring vertical video content production for entertainment
J.P. Morgan
Referenced in lawsuit discussion involving employee allegations of workplace misconduct
People
Wendy McLendon-Covey
Guest discussing her TV roles, Oscars absence, and commentary on reality TV and entertainment industry
Heather McDonald
Podcast host conducting interview and providing entertainment industry commentary
Kevin Hart
Subject of Netflix roast special discussed; known to host through golf club connection
Kristen Wiig
Bridesmaids co-star who participated in Oscars reunion segment without McLendon-Covey
David Allen Grier
Co-star on St. Denis who supports McLendon-Covey on social media
Melissa McCarthy
Bridesmaids cast member referenced in discussion of potential sequel ideas
Dorit Kemsley
Central figure in discussion of reality TV financial crisis and divorce proceedings
Kyle Richards
Discussed in context of Dorit's financial troubles and franchise dynamics
Mauricio Umansky
Dorit's estranged husband discussed in context of Real Housewives divorce narrative
Amanda Batula
Central figure in Summer House relationship scandal involving West and Sierra Miller
Jen Fessler
Former housewife accused of affair with Summer House cast member West
Betty Broderick
Subject of true crime discussion; recently deceased after serving life sentence for murder
Tom Lennon
Creator of Reno 911 discussing potential vertical video content with McLendon-Covey
Blake Lively
Discussed in context of legal settlement with Justin Baldoni and media coverage
Justin Baldoni
Discussed in context of legal settlement with Blake Lively and career implications
Gwen Stefani
Performed at Vegas concert attended by McDonald; discussed performance quality and audience reception
Joan Rivers
Historical reference to roast comedy and her influence on the format
Chelsea Handler
Referenced in context of roast comedy history and Kevin Hart roast participation
Kat Williams
Participated in Kevin Hart Netflix roast special with notable performance
Tiffany Haddish
Attended Kevin Hart roast event but did not perform
Quotes
"I just had my neck tightened and I'm recovering. That's all it is. Yeah. So you don't have to say anything. No one's going to notice."
Wendy McLendon-Covey•Early in episode
"It's fine. I'm going to skip it. No one will notice that I'm not there. If everybody else is there, who cares what I'm doing? Right? So I was wrong. I was wrong about that."
Wendy McLendon-Covey•Oscars discussion
"You're putting yourself there to be ripped apart. And at the time I was like, oh, if Chelsea's there, it's going to be, you know, you slept with the president of the like all the dumb stupid things."
Wendy McLendon-Covey•Roast comedy discussion
"Girls, listen to this is what I tell guys, young men, all you have to do to get a woman. Is give them so many compliments and let them know that you're the one for them because no one's ever liked them as much as you."
Heather McDonald•Summer House discussion
"When would that ever been a good thing for you to do? Then talking smack about PK on camera and his drinking and this and that, she got mad at Amanda for bringing that up, but Amanda was right."
Wendy McLendon-Covey•Real Housewives discussion
Full Transcript
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St. Dennis, what season are you in? We just finished season two. That just finished airing and so we're filming season three starting in July. Very lovely and it's so funny and I remember when you first started to do it and it's very much in the vein of like Parks and Rec and the office and your character is, I mean, when you read it, did you know it was just the most perfect thing for you? Because you're the head of the hospital and you're a little thirsty. I gotta try this. A little inappropriate. Yeah, because I've had bosses like that where you have to keep people motivated and you don't even believe what you're saying anymore. Yeah. You know, and your whole personal life is shit because Joyce, poor Joyce, like she probably hasn't even finished paying her student loans off. Right. You know, we had a little cliffhanger at the end of season two where David Allen Greer's character wakes up from a surgery and said, where's my Joyce? Where's my Joyce? So what does that mean? Does that mean we had a thing going on at some point? Like, which I would love. Who knows. And you guys have so much fun working together. Yes. Love him. And he's always in your comments and he's always like, he's such a supportive delight. He is. He is. Yeah. It's so funny. Now, recently you were in the news because unfortunately you were very missed when there was a bridesmaid reunion on the stage. Right. Was that at the Golden Globes? Where was that at? That was at the Oscars. At the Oscars. Now walk us through why you were there when you found out you would not be able to be there, how you felt. Well, doing ADR for St. Dennis, meaning additional dialogue recording where you go into a studio and you see your face blasted on a giant screen. I could not stand the look of my neck anymore. Okay. I was going into full psychosis about it. Like I am a melting candle. I got to address this. So I had a couple of consults like back in November, found a surgeon and was like, okay, you, you're my guy, we're going to do this. Okay. We're going to do it in, in March. I had the date down. I had paid the money. Then like three weeks prior to the Academy Awards, they're like, oh, um, they want to do a bridesmaids reunion on the show. And I was like, well, I hope they have a good time because I'm getting my shit tightened up. I'm not canceling this appointment. Did you ever think, you know what, I know this will be a pain in the ass, but what if I moved it a little bit further down or when I had another break to be able to do the Oscars, but then I go to the Oscars with a neck I don't love. There you go. There you go. Plus the amount of time they gave us. I mean, I hate trying to find dresses for these events. I told me you said it's not fun. It is such a pain in the ass. I thought, you know what, it's fine. I'm going to skip it. No one will notice that I'm not there. If everybody else is there, who cares what I'm doing? Right? So I was wrong. I was wrong about that. I get my procedure. I'm laying around in a stupor for a couple of weeks, you know, just like in and out of consciousness. Kristen texted me the day of and was like, we wanted to say something at the beginning of our, our, uh, presentation about why you're not there. I said, please don't, don't mention it. Don't mention it at all. I said, I just had my neck tightened and I'm recovering. That's all it is. Yeah. So you don't have to say anything. No one's going to notice. Right. So I, you know, I'm going in and out of consciousness all day long. And then I start watching the Mormon wives. Yes. Okay. And, and, uh, what's her name is just not getting on that plane to go see, to go do the bachelor. And I was very upset. Taylor, that's the one. And then my phone starts blowing up. Where are you? I'm livid that they didn't invite you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Who's this just fans? You mean just friends of mine? Oh yeah. Okay. And, um, they thought you got snubbed. So then I thought, well, I might as well just say something because I don't want anyone making drama where there is no drama. Right. So I just said, look here, here's what I look like. And I thought I should stay home. And now you look great. You've always, I almost have all my feeling back too. You always had, you've always had great skin. You've always looked young and youthful. Um, so it all worked out great. Yeah. The honesty was lovely. And now, you know, every time you probably get besieged with people saying, why isn't there bridesmaids too? We're going on what almost 20 years? It's been 15 years. No one's writing it. And I realized when I talked about, Sherwood country club where I belong, they filmed bridesmaids there. The gates are like, which goes to the fancy shower where everyone gets a puppy. That's right. Yes. Oh my God. That's where you live. I'm, yeah. Wait, should we? It's okay. No, no, no, people don't. It's the hang gates. Okay. Okay. Um, when people say bridesmaids, another movie, you know, they've said no, no, all these years. I mean, can I write the movie for you right now? It's so easy. I mean, it would be very easy to do, but no one is the people that would want, right, they're doing other things. Who need to sign off on it are not going to sign off on it. Okay. They are. Yeah. Because I'm going to manifest it. Like Amanda, I'm a manifesting mama. Because no one had talked about that before she came along. Right. Okay. So certainly had not. I would have given another five years. Okay. Because then it's mother of the bride, mother of the groom. One of you guys is planning a wedding. Right. Um, it could be your, one of your horrible sons that's been jerking off in a sock for 20 years. I think one of my sons got a teacher pregnant. I think, I think it's like a Mary Kay, Latterno. I love that. That could be your storyline. If it's not your wedding, you're going. You guys have kept in touch. One of your weird sons is a groom's man. Right. Okay. Yeah. And you know, there's a whole storyline where all of them have kept in touch. There's some, maybe, maybe two having kept in touch, but their kids are fucking. I mean, it could be. That happens. Yes. So fun. We do it at a white lotus type resort to save time for everybody. I'm listening intently to what you're saying. You're such a producer. It's not even funny. Okay. So everybody just goes, listen. Yeah. Melissa McCarthy. Listen, everybody. Kristen, it's two weeks. Right. Two weeks shoot at a resort. I don't see a downside. It's a destination wedding. Yeah. And if we must go to Cancun, I guess we have to. Yes. You know, we're give up ourselves. It's what the audience wants. The audience wants it. Well, I like what you're saying. Okay. I just think it's perfect. You're just solving problems left and right here. I just think it's perfect. Yeah. You know, I, anyway. So speaking of comedy, I really love this of you. Thank you. Throwback Thursdays. My senior photo still look the same. You look the same, especially with your new neck. Though you're 18, you're choosing to wear a cowl deck. Yes. Because let's dress like we're, why were we dressing at 18? Like we were 43 and a principal. But we did. I like why? Like a big old blazer with massive shoulder pads that hit like mid thigh. The words. Then you're going to put on a tight pencil skirt with that or a mini skirt and stilettos. Yeah. To carry your books all around high school. But that, because it was, you know, that's something you send your grandparents. Right. Want to be too risky or whatever. But they also did, because we had sororities in my high school. Where was that? In Long Beach. They weren't sanctioned by the school. But all Long Beach schools have fraternities and sororities for off campus. That's crazy. It's ridiculous. So by the time everybody got out, it was like, fuck this. I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah. But they would wear the, what do you call it? The letter? Tube top. Oh, tube top. That's all fuzzy. Like the black fuzzy tube top. In Gora? I don't know what it was. Feathers or something. But they all got their sorority pictures taken in it. So the shoulder bearing. Did you do that? Like the off shoulder. Yeah. Yes. Yes. No, I didn't. I just wore like an In Gora sweater. But like, yes, I remember that. And you'd like turn slightly to the side. Yeah. And then cock your head in a weird position. So bad. I think I did that for college. That was my college photo. And it wasn't cute. I don't know why I looked, I must have been hung over that dare thing. It was not good. But I love the bangs. Thank you. Yeah. You're intense. I'm lucky I still have any hair after what I did. With your hair spray? Yes. This G.C. 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And I think it was, I think I felt lucky that we watched it at home because a lot of them, you know how tapings are and it's at the form. And so some of the people were like, it was a little hard to hear. We were watching the screen anyway. And I was like, no, when you get home, like some of my friends who are writers and stuff, I'm like, it really was good. It was very entertaining. Now, have you ever done a roast? I have never done a roast. I've never really evened. Once I had a manager that was like, like Whitney Cummings had done it and the manager was like, that's what you need to do. And I was like, I don't know that it's my style of comedy. Of course you get other people that are experts that help you write it. But really what it is about a roast is that you're putting yourself there to also be roasted. And I remember years ago when Comedy Central used to do them and they got a lot of people, you know, from Donald Trump to Pamela Anderson to Joan Rivers. It was a big paycheck. Some people really did it for the paycheck. And I remember Joan Rivers wanted Chelsea to be a part of hers. And we were at Chelsea lately and it came up and Chelsea was just like, no, I don't want to at the time. I don't remember why if she just was like, it's not my thing or she's busy or why would I don't really know the reason. I don't know if that then contributed to like their little E news beef or whatever. But I kind of thought, yeah, you're putting yourself there to be ripped apart. And at the time I was like, oh, if Chelsea's there, it's going to be, you know, you slept with the president of the like all the dumb stupid things. And with Pamela Anderson, she did it once. And this is like after she's had two kids. And every joke was her big vagina and the sex tape and being a slut. And I'm just like, she's a bomb with like two boys. I remember thinking, but now then they went away for a while. Right. Then the Tom Brady was a big thing. And now it's it's here on Netflix live. And I do think it's perfect. Okay. It's very edgy. Completely not politically correct. I mean, jokes about Cheryl Underwood's husband back in the 90s who killed himself. Nothing was off limits. It was hurts. Really? It was it's insane. So if it's like if you are not someone that you're the least bit, you know, offended by things, this three hour roast is not for you. But if you're ready for just hardcore comedy, like you can't believe you're seeing it. And it's Netflix and it's live. Again, no one's shoving it in your face. Right. You don't have to watch it. You don't have to watch it. I thought it was like I was thoroughly entertained. I was like, like jaw dropped. Wow. And then there were times where I'm like, ooh, are these two people kind of really mad at each other? Are they not? And I think they all are just like who cares. Right. Which says a lot. And I think it takes people into their fifties to really not care. So I mean, it's good. It sounds like Kevin and Kat Williams have squashed their beef. So that's interesting because he sure had a lot to say. I don't think they've squashed the beef. Okay. I don't think they've squashed the beef at all, but I think they're both smart enough to know that it benefited them both very much. You know, a lot of just seeing someone that you haven't seen in a while on your TV, they go on tour. It's going to help sell tickets. You know, everybody did pretty well. That's a standup that did this, you know, from Cheryl Underwood got like a standing ovation. Chelsea did great. Shane Gillis, you know, was very edgy. He did great. Kat, it was hilarious. And you know, they make it that like, oh, Kevin didn't know he was coming out and all that. And I'm not going to tell you how magic's revealed. Okay. That's a whole other show that was in Fox. But entertaining wise, very exciting, very funny. And then Kevin had his rebuttal, like he gets up and he goes after Kat. And it was, it was great. And you know, it was really so funny. And like just, it was fun. It made me like proud to be a standup. Now, how do you know Kevin? I know Kevin from the Chelsea Lately Days. And I've seen him over the years and not to bring it about me again, but I, since I live where Bridesmaids was shot, he just was playing golf there. And I heard the voice through the, through my backyard. So I went down and was like, Kevin, are you joining the club? And, you know, he is, and he's into golf and he's a delight. The wife's a delight. And I just, yeah, I think it's, I thought it was, it was fun. It was fun to go to the party. And let's see. I thought Jeffrey Ross, who is, you know, beat cancer, he wore this Eddie Murphy red leather outfit. And I thought he was really funny. He'd like dance to the Eddie Murphy song from Beverly Hills Cop. I don't know, there were some things that just like made me happy. Here we are. You know, they had one of those, oh, very cute. One of those like black and white photo things. You have to pose perfectly for those things. And then Tiffany Haddish, she was, there were people up there that didn't speak. Okay. So Tiffany was there, but didn't speak, but didn't speak, but looked really cute, which is what really matters. That's all that matters. Yeah. And Chelsea did great. And she looked, she had a really good outfit on. So it was all good. Oh, this guy, Eddie, he was a writer on the show and he's a juicy scooper. And I was like, Oh my God, can we get a photo with you? Love that. So it was fun. It was fun to talk to the writers. It was good. Are you a roast person? Do you enjoy it? Or does it give you anxiety? It gives me anxiety. It really does. Like, why would you sign up to have somebody do this to you? I, I can't put my mind around it. I don't want a roast done about me. No, I, I don't need the chicken leg flat ass. I don't need the puppets. You know, in the movie saw jokes. I have them all myself. You know that Billy who wrote the puppet, who wrote the Trice Collins of Saw movies? I've never seen the Saw movies. Well, the resemblance is uncanny to my face. No. Yes. I rebuke this statement. No. When I, when I show you, you're going to say, I kind of see it. It's fine. I don't like this, Heather. But you know what I'm going to say? I'm not going to say I'm never going to do it because I just realized I just said all the jokes about myself and I think I'm okay with it. So maybe I would be okay with it. Okay. To be, oh no, I just get heaved out by, I went to one roast at Comedy Central when I was working there. What was it? John Stamos maybe? Yeah, I think I remember that. And I just felt disgusting the whole time. Like, why are we doing this? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Look how good you look. Thanks. It's a great dress. You know, like you, repeat outfits. Yeah. More. I've already worn it. If an outfit looks good on you, why wouldn't you want to wear it again? Yeah. If a dress loves only you, you wear it. You've worn this a few times. It's a good one. Yeah. It's a good one. I didn't know if there'd be a red carpet. And I looked at what the red carpet was. There wasn't at the party. But there was one for the show. And I looked at the poster and it was this, when you see this, it's, there was like this color of the orange, like the fire of the roast. Okay. So I thought my orange dress would look good, but there was no red carpet at the party. I really tried to read. I really hate a red carpet. I really hate a red carpet. It's a lot of stress. I always look like such a moron. I always look like, oh, someone flunked out of John Robert Powers. I always pose the same way. I'm in a catalog posing or something. Stop posing that way. I always remember Jenny McCarthy. She just started to do weird shit because she's like, if I have to get all cute and go to this thing, I want this photo to go somewhere. Right. And it kind of made her pop. Really? Like she'd trip or she'd like do a weird face or like, and I kind of feel like that's what I got to start doing this carpet. Lean into the awkwardness. Cause I have me trying not to be awkward is making me more awkward. Yes. So that's why I like Meg Stalter from hacks. She's always doing something ridiculous. She says something funny. That right there is a red carpet coverage. I want to see. I don't want to see everybody, you know, all posed, you know, that, that whole trend where everybody's got their underwear hanging out, like, Oh my God, when is that going away? So original. You're shameless. Okay. Yes. Did you look at the Met Ball? Have you ever been invited to the Met Ball? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not, I'm just not that important. I always just think, I see the Met Ball and I'm always just like, I can feel the weight and the heaviness and the uncomfortableness of the outfit and being like, how long do I have to be in this outfit before I can get into the next outfit? Or when am I going to trip and fall down the stairs? Like watching, watching them try to get Blake Lively's skirt out there and she was fussing and, you know, talking bad to the guys because someone did a lip reading thing and she was trying to be really nice because of what she's been through. But she was like, Oh darling, please. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. I thought it was all nice. But of course, everyone's looking for something. Yeah, that's trying to be nice. Well, you can't win. Yeah, you can't win. Which then it would have been better, but now you're just trying to be nice. Yeah. And now I feel like, well, it only costs five million a year to run that costume institute. So what's with all these high prices? Like they made, what, 45 million this year? Oh, okay. That's very charitable. Yeah. For the costumes. You sure you don't want to do something else with it? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm just being contrarian, but I do find it odd. What I want to know is, so do they then go in those weird outfits and sit down and hear speeches about the charity and eat the chicken dinner? Yes, exactly. Are they, are they, are they not? They're not eating their chicken. I don't know. Or is it literally just for the photo op that they wear these? And then everyone has to go to Sprinter Van because you have to like stand up because your outfit's so weird. Okay. And then I'm like, how many people, like how many gay guys does it take to get you in the outfit, make the outfit, do your makeup hair, fluff you, show up? And then is that, are those, is that gay entourage with you all night? Or are they just dying to go and have their own gay fun without you? And then you're like left there by yourself. Okay. I'm going to get stress hives just from considering that. That sounds terrible. That sounds terrible. Yeah. I'd be angry by the time I got there. No good pictures would happen with me. Yeah. Oh, forget it. I, the couple of times I've used a stylist, they've been like, I'll say like, I can't wear that dress. I wouldn't be able to move. Well, that's okay because you could just lay down in the limo. No. No. And then what happens? Someone wheels me on a dolly down the red carpet? Like, I don't know. That sounds yes, miserable to me. Do you work your outfits a long night at the Golden Globes? Do you work it around a sensible shoe that's like your most comfortable like block heel, but you know, the block heel isn't really the heel you should wear with it, but you're like, I can't deal with an uncomfortable shoe for seven hours because then I will be unhappy and I want to go home. Well, the last time I had to go to something like that, I left at the first available opportunity. I don't stay for the whole thing. I don't have that attention span anymore. So I'll do an uncomfortable shoe. But yeah, I've seen some people that are like, oh, I'm wearing Birkenstocks under this gown. Well, if the shoes don't show, do it. Yeah. You know, well, I, we had bought tickets to No Doubt. Oh, okay. Six months ago. And then I get booked to do my live juicy scoop this past Saturday night. Oh, wow. And it was like a package that my husband bought. So it was Friday, Saturday and Sunday at the Venetian. The show was Friday. And I was like, can you sell this package? I think I should be home preparing for this show. No, you couldn't really sell the package. So I'm like, well, then I'll have FOMO if I don't go. Yeah. I should go to the sphere. But I'm like, I need to save my energy. So I said, I'm going to wear comfortable, stylish sneakers the entire time I'm in Vegas. There you go. Wow. What a difference. What a difference a comfortable shoe can make in your mood. You're not dying for the night to end. Like I'm, I think these young kids that wear like sneakers with their prom dresses and their little home. They are so fucking smart. They're living like they're 55 at 15. I mean, I don't mind a van slip on with a gown. I really don't. It's kind of cute, kind of edgy or a combat boot or something. Right. But back to no doubt. So you went to Vegas. I went to Vegas. And when did you come home? I drove there Thursday morning with my husband and son. Oh my goodness. I sit in the back because they're two giants. Okay. So I'm in the back with the dog. We have a dog who is a service animal. She's a trained woman. She has a full job. Okay. And and you know, she loves Vegas. It's her first time, but she's, you know, she gets a lot of attention. Oh, I love that. She wears the vest. She has the paperwork on her backpack. Like so no one gives us any shit. And she's gorgeous. And so anyway, so that was fun. And then, so we drove there and went to dinner that night. I was chill the next day I worked on the show, put the show together. And then we went to the concert and she was great. Really? And right the day before I was like, opened up my phone, so I'm collecting topics and stuff. And I start to see some negative tick talks. Right. And I'm like, well, I don't even want to look at it. I'm going to be there tonight. Yeah. I don't, I think the negativity was like a, I don't know what it was, a paid campaign. I don't know because she was, they were all great. I was thoroughly entertained. She did all the hits, some new stuff, looked amazing, nostalgic. I like the old, I like the punky Gwen. Yes. From the nineties. I like that Gwen. She wore all those type of outfits. Love it. Body looked banging, dancing, dancing where she kicks her legs. Yeah. And, and the visuals looked cool too. The, yeah. And then at one time all the, there's oranges that fall from the sky. And there's a little soft like orange. So some people got it orange. I felt it on my head, but I grabbed it. And so it was all, it was really fun. I said, definitely go. And so it's a busy week. It was a busy week for me. Do you, I need to tell you the latest that's going on with summer house. So you're not someone who's familiar with summer house. No, but go on. Okay. So on summer house, there's this girl, Amanda, who was married to Kyle. Okay. They've been on the show for 10 years. Okay. They've had Meryl Palms for years. Okay. Some think it's, think it's because he became a DJ. Other people just thought they were a missed match cup. There's this guy West. This is him. Okay. I don't get it. Okay. With his looks. It's not my type. Okay. It's nothing for me. Okay. Okay. He is now with Amanda. Okay. But prior to being with Amanda, he used this beautiful, beautiful girl, Sierra Miller. Okay. And they were like kind of on and off. And so now she knows that her very good friend Amanda was sleeping with West behind her husband's back and behind Sierra's back. So it's like a scandal. So over the weekend, a former real housewife of New Jersey named Jen Fessler was asked about the scandal on the red carpet. Okay. And she goes, West is harmless. He's like a golden retriever. He's sweet. He's fine. No one should worry about him. Sierra then did a post or commented saying, yeah, because the two of you slept together. Jen Fessler is been married for 27 years. Okay. That's her. She's been married for 27 years. And there's all these videos of them hanging out. Wait, is she the one that was she's only on the show for like two years? All up in arms about Jersey Mike's. No. Okay. That's Jennifer Aiden who seriously got canceled and got fired from the show. Okay. Because she was awful about the Jersey Mike people not making her five kids their food quick enough. Well, they got on a flight on New Year's Day at 7am. So imagine you're the first to work at Jersey Mike's on New Year's Day and this bitch is yelling at you filming it. And the real crime was the order was tuna fish sandwiches. So she was being bringing tuna fish sandwiches on a flight. You bitch. That is wrong. And was filming thinking that all of her fans would be like, you do deserve better Jennifer Aiden. I can't believe that woman who's like 60 didn't make your tuna sandwiches fast enough for your five kids. So this girl is not her. Okay. Jen Fessler, pretty harmless, good time, whatever she's on for two years. Okay. Nothing polarizing about her. Just like whatever. So she's on Bravo Con. She's hanging out with Wes. There's many videos than them being flirty and everything. There is a Watch What Happens Live episode where Andy Cohen asked Wes, I heard you slept with a much older woman and he said, yes, how old, really old. And Andy's like over 60 no, but in the high fives. And next to him is another guy from Summerhouse named Jesse who's laughing. Clearly he knows about it. Yeah. No one knew who it was. It was just he goes, well, that's kind of the fun of it. That's the, it was weird. It was weird, but it was kind of fun. That's me. This is the swordsman we're talking about. This guy here. Okay. Okay. He must have a great personality. Or my dad would say a nine inch brain. But so, okay. So he gets around. He gets around. I think his thing is he makes women feel special. I think he's one of those guys that is like, well, you're out of my league. You're out of my league. You're, I can't believe this is happening to me. You're the fucking hottest thing. And then you're like, I kind of want to give this charity case the greatest night of their life. Have you ever had a guy like that? And you've been married for so long. I've been married for so long, but you know what I mean? Where it's like, not your type. You would never go for them. And they're playing the game of, oh, you're, you know, what would you be doing with a guy like me? And it's kind of like, well, wait a minute. What do you mean? Right. You're perfectly sweet. Yeah. Girls, listen to this is what I tell guys, young men, all you have to do to get a woman. Is give them so many compliments and let them know that you're the one for them because no one's ever liked them as much as you. And then they finally are like, finally, someone gets me. I am this fabulous. And then they wake up five years later and they're like, what happened? I'm going to marry this loser. That, I'm just telling you guys can, can marry out of their league. They just have to try. They just have to try. Guys aren't trying. The compliment train is a big one. Every girl just wants a compliment. Just compliment the ladies. So I think he was complimenting. I think he was like, you're hot, whatever. Now she said this never happened in social media posts, kind of threatening. She's going to Sue Sierra, you know, but a couple months prior, she had her wedding anniversary happen, Jen Fessler, and said, and I don't care if either one of us sleep with Amanda or, or a West happy anniversary. Now, is that the craziest coincidence? Is that manifesting mama? Is that telling on yourself? Is that a conspiracy theory? Is that an Easter egg? That's telling on yourself, basically. Now, when are we going to just say that these reality shows are now human trafficking? Okay, it's human trafficking light, because then they all get involved with each other. And then, oh, I was on this franchise. Now I need to go to villains or, summer house, or, you know, let's jump out of a plane together, whatever bullshit, you know, all the rewatch shows and all of this. And then because they just have to keep that fame going, and that those paychecks coming, and then it all gets incestuous. And I think, and you take a thirsty housewife who really was just a housewife. Probably at 15 or younger, she thought, ah, I would die to be Julia Roberts. But she never even auditioned for a play. Yeah. She is the cutest one in the carpool lane. And then one day, she gets a DM from a casting director who's like, would you like to be considered for housewife? Right. Cut to a year later, she's famous, she's getting hair and makeup, she's talking to Annie Cohen, she's walking out at BravoCon like she's a fucking beetle in 1968. And a young West slides into her DMs and is like, wow, you know, if you'd even give me the time of day, and this stuff happens. Now, I don't know who's telling the truth. Jesse could have told Sierra, it could have all been a lie. West could have exaggerated a flirt with a fuck or second base with fourth base. I don't know. But I believe that Sierra received that information. Yeah. Now, whether that information is true or not, I don't know. I think that Jen Fessler wants to stay relevant. And this kind of puts her on the map. And I don't think the husband cares if she screwed this ugly, dirty West character or not. He could be saying, well, now I've got a free pass to go do what I need to do. Or they just haven't arranged or they just don't care anymore. They just don't care. He's just like, whatever. And the thing is, the husband might be going along his day to day. This news has been out for four days and still not know about it because he actually has a job and a life and is golfing and watching the news. And this isn't on main news. So he, she doesn't even have to tell him that she's being accused of screwing West. I don't underst... Yeah, I'm... No, I don't like this. I don't like this, Heather. I'm upset. They're having the reunion come up and apparently Kyle, husband to Amanda, reveals that West has also had a full blown exclusive relationship with a whole nother person since February of 2025. Does West have kids all over the place? No. Okay. Okay. Well, he's got that going for him. 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Banking services provided by Cash App's bank partner. Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, member FDIC, direct deposit and promotions provided by Cash App, a block ink brand. Visit cash.app.sashlegal.com slash podcast for full disclosures. Okay, now you're up on Real Half-Hives at Beverly Hills. Yeah. And what was your thoughts of the overall, the overall this season, which really was about DeRete and her divorce and if Kyle put it out there on the show that she's doing erratic spending and is manic and that would hurt her divorce with now this new news coming out in which PK now is spilling all the beans and giving his financials and her financials to this attorney named Ronald Richards who shares it all basically saying that in a 14-month period, and this is Bravo snark side, she put it all together for us, that she, her income is $3.5 million, his is $3.3 million, but she spent basically a million dollars in a year on just clothes for herself and luxury items. He spent money on the mortgage. She didn't spend any of the money on the mortgage. Basically, she's making just as much as him, but she's spending it all on herself. Now the house is in foreclosure and now she and the kids are going to have to move out of the six or $7 million house in Encino to go somewhere else. This is what's going to happen. She's going to get in a rental and she's never going to be able to own a house again because she spends like this and she doesn't want to live in a house that she could buy. She'll rent something for like $25,000 a month and she'll end up like Shana Badour who still doesn't own a property, who's been on a show for 15 years. No, it was interesting watching her light a match to everything and watch it all explode. That's what it was. You can't get mad at people noticing how much you spend when it's on camera. We've all heard about the mortgage troubles and then she goes in, in the Hamptons, breaks it up between a couple of cards. Isn't that what she did? Yes. Don't get mad at other people for stating the obvious. When would that have ever been a good thing for you to do? Then talking smack about PK on camera and his drinking and this and that, she got mad at Amanda for bringing that up, but Amanda was right. When does that ever help to slam your soon-to-be ex-spouse in front of the whole world? When does that work out well? Do you have an example? No. The whole thing is that it's like, how dare you put, listen, you're on the show, women going through divorces, we all talk behind each other's backs, but we also talk about our divorces and our relationships in front of each other and rant. If you were going to never talk about PK, you wouldn't be being authentic during a six-month period of filming. So it's like, I'm on her side for that, but I'm also on Kyle's side for also being very real. Yeah, she right now still has a good relationship with Mauricio, where they have their own weird thing going, where she can go down to Nashville and hang out with Morgan Wade. She actually said though, in one of the things I watched, she said, that's like if my husband said, he no longer has a penis, I wouldn't be interested. I'm like, you're with someone who doesn't have a penis. What do you care about a penis? Anyway, so I do love that Doreen was like, I hope it always stays nice between you and Mauricio, because it most likely won't. Someone is going to catch feelings for someone. Hopefully Mauricio got a vasectomy, but get someone pregnant, that'll really complicate shit. But eventually someone's going to be like, you got to get divorced. And I get the procrastination. I totally get the procrastination. I really wanted them to stay married. I really think they had a good thing going. And so it was hard to hear Kyle say, yeah, who knows if we had never moved houses, if we had just stayed at that level. But I think what she really means is they would have never been at this level of success had she not taken the show. By putting it on the show, he was for so long adoting adorable husband whose business grew. Somewhere in there, like she said, he could get laid very easily when he's opening agencies all over the land. And it started to piss her off. She got sober. She became a late in life lez. Now she would rather go. Now I think she's just like, I don't need to be a lesbian. I'd like to go a Lauren Sanchez route. Oh, okay. That's what I think. Okay. Maybe not. Interesting. I think she's like, whatever. And I don't think she's jealous of him without anybody else. But she's like, I just don't want to split up all the shit. And I just aren't willing to do it. And a lot of people don't. So it's like, I think that's okay too. And then you have the rest, the whole world being like, do it file. And it's like, I don't want to. It's if they've got something worked out, then fine. Yeah, do it. But I mean, their kids are grown. It's not like, it's just like remember that you'll never emotionally fulfill you. Remember the girl with the E cigarette? Yes. The E cigarette was before vaping. She was a pioneer. She had that E cigarette, the psychic. And then she was like, once the kids are grown, you'll have nothing in common. She's like the, we've had some good, that psychic and the psychic in Morocco who predicted that Mario was cheating with a blonde to Ramona. And Ramona was like, is it Avery? And she's like, no, is it Avery? You mean like, is she seeing a little blonde extra girl in there? No, it was this girl. And she was blonde. Well, I guess got it right. But I think, I think there's something interesting because it's with, I don't know how it becomes that someone is so comfortable spending money on Chanel underwear when they didn't grow up that way. And then all of a sudden they have the money or their husband has the money and they just can't stop. And I think that's like, well, we know shopping is an addiction. There must be an addiction and also going in, being a famous person, going into the Louis Vuitton stores. Right. And there must be something that gets them wet, knowing that the salesperson is excited to see them. And they're going to make a commission and they want to get that, I don't know. And then I think it's weird to spend that kind of money. Tight with my money. Yeah. That it gives me a stomach ache to watch people just be so cavalier, especially when their home's in foreclosure. Like your home, like I would do anything not to have to move. Like what do you do with furniture? What do you do with all your product outfits that are stiff and uncomfortable from two years ago? Right. Do you just have the real, real come pick them up? What are you going to do with all those real, labily things? And does it give you anxiety to open up TikTok and see that your exact item is there in China for $112? Well, I'm also, okay. So that's how much money she brings in, I guess. From what? Not from the housewives. I think that it must have been from deals, but I don't even see her as someone that does that many brand deals. Because she does, she has to put herself at such a high end level. I don't, I guess she does because there's no way she can make more than a million dollar income from the show. They kind of tap them out around a million, a million, two. So, you know, maybe there's some paid gigs here or there or some good deals. Show up at this club and get $10,000 to. But because the clothes are not required for the job, I don't know, you know, she can't then write that off or remove that from her salary. Like, I have to look this way. I mean, I don't know. This whole season was like just long hair extensions, hanging into food, inappropriate footwear for the occasion. They went to Sedona. I was surprised at how much luggage was there. Like, Sedona is so hot and miserable. And it seemed like when they went hiking, Erica was the only one that had on like a proper outfit for hiking in on the Red Rock. I mean, I think Erica has become, has had the best trajectory, even though her husband turned out to be a crook. Yes. And all of it. She has turned out to be the realest one. Yeah. She's, she's owning her shit. But I did have a problem with that one episode where her therapist came and they sat on the couch and she cried without wiping her face. Well, that TV, that TV therapist has been around forever. I mean, because she was useless. Everything she said, it was like, did you just read that off of a fridge magnet? This is not helpful. This woman is getting sued for so much money. Right. For you to say, well, you know, sometimes your clothes are folded and sometimes they're not like, what the hell are you even talking about? I hope you're not being paid. That's useless. Oh my God, hilarious. Yeah. So, um, all right, well, we wish, we wish Dorit the best. She was very spiky. What's your prediction for Dorit? Everything you said, she's going to have to move out of that house. She's going to have a rental. What she needs is just like a small little condo that's unobtrusive. That's maybe, I don't know, 5,000 a month. She really needs to scale down, but I don't see her doing that. Yeah. I see this getting a lot uglier before it gets better. She's, she's very stubborn. Betty Broderick has died in prison and I have been obsessed with the Betty Broderick story since it, my mom first read about it in the LA Times before she did the murder, her own, her own like crazy divorce was like being written about in San Diego. And so she, there's been two made for TV movies in which Meredith Baxter Bernie played her. The part she was born to play. And she was, there's so much to this. I will go deeper on like juicy crimes, but she was, thank you. Thank you. Every Wednesday, please subscribe. She, then during the divorce, he gets married to his, who his secretary was that he met when she was 19 there. She's at her little young 20s. They get married and what's weird is it seemed like things were okay. She had a dinner party that night. She was still going through financials with him. She had a boyfriend, but she woke up and she was like, that's it. According to her, I'm going to go to their house. She'd stolen the key from her daughter and, and stole it. So she had the key to get in the house, went into the house like five AM, walked into their room and shot them both and then went and called her friend and said, I did it. And you know, immediately was like arrested or turned herself in and went through like two different trials about it. Where one trial, you know, was the defense really said the, the torture that he put her through and that she was this imperfect mother did all this stuff. First she put him through medical school, then she put him through law school. So he did medical malpractice and they like had these four kids and she was the soccer mom. She was this and she was that, but she was kind of a bitch. And you know, he fell in love with somebody else, but then he financially fucked her because being a lawyer and being a powerful one, he made sure she couldn't get proper representation all around San Diego. Wow. Okay. And like torture her, but then she also drove a car through their house one day and, you know, and then she dropped off each kid thinking he wouldn't know how to make a turkey sandwich for them. And he ended up getting custody of all of them because he was like, we can do it. So now she's alone. It's whatever. So then she gets convicted for life as she should and was like, I'm happier in here than being outside with the two of them torturing me. Throughout the years of the four kids, two were like trying to get her out, saying like she's getting through the end of her life. Could she please live with me? And the other two were more estranged. Okay. But now she got sick. She was 78, died of like septice or something. Oh, wow. And it's just like, it is just like the juiciest, craziest, saddest story of every, I mean, it just had every element, the wealth, the hot young thing, who's actually, you know, was probably really nice and good to the kids and probably a great daughter and probably a great sister. But like, you know, you're 19, you're really impressed with a 45 year old guy that can take you to a nice restaurant and drive you in a Corvette. But then you're like putting yourself at risk because it's the wife is so psycho. Oh man. Well, Betty. And she never did any other like interviews before always reaching out to her over the years. And she was like, no, I'm good. Yeah, I guess what is there to say, you know, after a certain point. So she, yeah. So anyway, rest in peace, Betty. What do you think of Real Housewives of Rhode Island? So they all look alike. Yes. Except for this one who looks like Dolores. There's a Dolores lookalike. This other creator mentioned that we like it because Joellen reminds us of Teresa. Okay. She's over here right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this one, Alicia kind of looks like Carol Radzowell from New York. Yes, she does. They all are just like, I mean, it is hard. They all look alike. Yeah, they're all, they're all very specific looking. Yeah. And I don't know if that's a Rhode Island thing. The fashions are a little nutty. Yeah. I like the homes. That's what I like. The homes are beautiful. I like the real wealth. Yeah. I like the real wealth of the big ass homes with the grass lawns overlooking the sea. Overlooking the sea. All right. Oh, I'm going to take the Duffy. I'm going to take the boat over across the way to go have lunch with what's-or-nuts. Okay. Yeah. The one who is, who got mad because someone said that she was dating or polygamous or whatever. Oh, the one who is a, she was a sugar baby for 10 years. Yeah. And her sugar daddy lets her live in this mansion by herself with her housekeeper. But you're not supposed to mention that. Yeah. And then he, but he has some other girlfriend in Miami. Yeah. So then he lets her have like a West kind of look alike blonde boyfriend come to like parties with her that she's like, this is my boyfriend. Yeah. But then now in the show, I guess they've broken up. So now she has to move out of the mansion. She and Doree, she just get a little apartment together. You know what, a Kate and Allie situation. Yes. Yes. I was just thinking, what show is that? I would absolutely watch that show. Kate and Allie, those of you who don't know, it was such a good idea for a sitcom. Absolutely could be redone today. Yes. If you're looking to reboot something, people, reboot it. To divorced moms and their kids, they get together and they're going to make it work. I bet there's a bunch of, I wonder how many women have done that. It's actually a great idea. It's not a bad idea. It really isn't. Yeah. It makes so much sense. Yeah. Along with having Jen Exors move into malls in their old age. That makes sense to me. I want to see where that's happening. Wait, is that a real thing? Are they making senior citizens homes out of old malls? Well, is there a sense of- Someone has kind of floated the idea past people. But I think there is one that is up and operating and people, the residents are on the top floor and then they're shopping in the bottom. But there's still active shopping. It's like ghost town. But that makes sense to me. Why would you get rid of these structures? I miss a mall. I miss a fine shopping experience. I have to go all the way to South Coast Plaza if I want that. Because they're in Long Beach. I miss going to the mall. I know. And that makes sense. If there's a gym nearby, obviously you can get your coffee down here. You got to run to CVS, blah, blah, blah. It seems convenient. Yeah. But all that to say, these gals, they dress funny. Yeah. It's like, what are these Windsor fashions? Yes. What is the bejewel, the bedazzle stuff? Yes. This one. It makes no sense. I think just because they're not really like- Because I would think a normal person who grew up in Rhode Island would be very old money East Coast, rich aesthetic, quality trousers. Yeah. Let's get a wool trouser. Let's put on a sweater. A cashmere sweater won't kill you. But these hot pink things with the- But I also think the people that truly are Rhode Island money, old money, they're not going to go on this show. That's true. So they had to cast a bunch of weirdos they found on Instagram that are thirst buckets that need a salary. They all seem to have very interesting love lives. Like, oh, I've been with this one for 12 years. We haven't gotten married yet. That Alicia is like, yeah. So I mean, I lived with him for a really long time and I kid a woman with my car, but she lived- Remember that? She's a kid. She went with her car, but we never got the full story. And then she's like, but I don't know how much money's in the bank. Yeah. I don't control any of my own money. Yeah. And I'm not married to the guy that controls it. Like, okay, that's a choice. And then we have the Ruella who does have money, married to the podiatrist, who's having an affair with a girl that works or sells the items for the medispa. And he tells her to sign an NDA, but then she posted on Instagram a photo of her and he or Facebook with her on his lap. And so then Joellen tells, then he goes to sue the mistress. Like, you were supposed to fuck me and stay quiet. Then he also got arrested. That's a kick in the tits. He's trying to sue his mistress. Yes. And then this is what I read. And then he, uh, allegedly, and then Ruella somehow finds out that he'd put a tracking device in her car. So he got arrested for that. But as of now, they're still together. And then Joellen's sister seems to be putting the moves on her husband. Because they used to date in high schools. Yes. Or they're playing that up for the cameras. Yeah. So do we like it from one to 10? Listen, I was watching this because I was recovering from my, my snatch up. Okay. And I was awake at weird times. So that's why I got into this. I don't know if I will finish it. Yeah, that's the way I feel about that. It's kind of the way I feel about London too. I did watch it, but I don't know how I feel about it long term. And then the Mormon wives, I was watching that and I just, I want to go back. It seems like that's just a pathway to Chicago. To be on Chicago. To be on Chicago is to, to get into a reality show and then you get to play Roxy Hart. God. Because didn't Ariana play? Did you ever want to be Roxy Hart? Oh yes, back before it, I mean, 25 years ago when it started. Have you ever asked for it? Um, no, no, no. Yeah. I could do it as well as some people. Right. But well, Taylor Frankie, Paul wrote a long thing. It's Mother's Day and boo-hoo and it's so long. And she's mad because the other girl is talking about her, Michaela, who has a skin condition. And then she says, let's see, have you been in trouble for getting ready two months postpartum that you cry off all your makeup and return to an ugly t-shirt? Can you even understand what I'm saying? Just from a psychological point? No, clearly not. It's being used as an analogy to a rash cream. You heard one side and you never call me after. In fact, ignored me twice. It's this really long thing. And the first comment was, you're lucky enough to get your son who you're sharing with the other guy who got taken from you because you were throwing bar stools at him for Mother's Day. And this is how you choose to spend your Mother's Day. The social media stuff is just like, I'm like, if you would just put your freaking phone down, um, speaking of which, the comeback she does, Roxy Hart, that was funny. That was so genius. Yeah. That she just was not getting that whole puppet thing. Right. Yeah. Have you ever worked with Lisa Kudrow? No, I never have. I've always wanted to. I think she's so genius. Yeah. And I love the comeback. I wish they didn't go so long between seasons. Yeah. You know, every eight years we drop every 10. Oh, is it 10? And they're saying this is really, really, really the last one. Right. No, no. More please. I like it. You never know what she might do. So I love that you did this interview. Enjoying Joyce embarrassing herself. Did you hear about this guy suing this woman at J.P. Morgan? No. Okay. This is a crazy story. So there's this woman who works at J.P. Morgan. She's an attractive blonde, like 35. This guy is saying that he was her sex slave unwillingly. And he is suing she and J.P. Morgan. And in his lawsuit, which some lawyer has agreed to take, they're denying it. They're saying it's not true. They're saying they did an investigation. And her face is everywhere and his face, then after it all came out, he's like, I'd like this to make it private. But he basically is saying that this woman would, you know, was racist. He's, looks like he's, you know, of Indian descent. She would call him like racist names. And also he claimed that she would give him Viagra and Rufi to him. So I guess he'd be asleep with like a heart on, okay. She could take advantage of him. And she said, you know, if you don't do what I say, you're not going to be promoted. But then in investigating it, they find that they were at the same level. And that he said that she was like, how do you like these cannons? You like these cannons in your face? And that was the first thing that people are like, I call BS. What woman refers to their own tits as cannons? They don't. They don't, but also, I, again, I don't want to blame the victim here, but all these things happened and they kept being in the same place at the same time. Like, how did he get into her bedroom? It was like happening at the office. So she's roofing him at the office? I mean, it was just, I don't understand. And I, yeah. And then, not buying, I don't know. And then I saw something that appeared to be from like his high school graduation, like, you know, in the tux. Okay. And, you know, so many things are fake and I don't know, but it said his quote was something about cannons. Again, telling on yourself, are you no Trodamus or are you telling on yourself because that is a word that you used your whole life? All I know is I'm going home today and I'm going to get in Greg's face and be like, how do you like these cannons in your face? And then I'm going to get me some because that's seductive. Canons. Yeah. And it just like, it was, it's very bizarre. And then, you know, she's staying silent. Probably because they're like, just don't defend yourself, don't talk about. I just think what I want to see is when this eventually is dismissed or whatever, that I want to have her do an interview and be like, Yeah, what happened there? Yeah, like how, how awful, like if someone just said an incredible story about me that just wasn't at all true, which I guess she and maybe she and Jen Fessler can get together. I don't know. But, you know, it's such a hard thing because it's like, if you go publicly and defend yourself, then does that keep the story going on longer? You just want it to be forgotten, you know, or then someone, but then people are like, if you're not defending yourself, like then it must be true. I don't know. Yeah, that's a good point because if someone's saying something terrible, all you want to do is clear it up and say, I would never, ever, ever do X, Y and Z. But then I guess the flip side of that coin is if you keep feeding into it, if you kind of ignore it, it will go away. Yeah. And let the other person just kind of tattle on themselves. Right. Because they always do. But that takes a lot of restraint. And I don't know if I'd be able to do it. Now that we are concluded that the Blake Lively versus Justin Beldoni thing is over, they settled, don't got any money, but the lawyers who made $60 million. What was your, what's your overall opinion of that now that it's over with? It seemed like they were playing chicken with each other up until the very last minute. And listen, I'm glad they had the money to do that with those lawyers. But I don't think it's good for either one. Yeah. I don't think it's good for either one. They're both going to suffer. She especially is going to suffer. I think. Would you have any qualms about working with either one of them? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think will happen with them? What would be your advice if you're friends with either one of them at this point? I mean, Justin, I think, is there any money left for him to live? She's married to Ryan Reynolds. He's got all these things going, all these other little enter of the Wayfarer. He was the partner in the way I understand it, who is a billionaire, was the one that was like, oh, hell to the dough. And that's they, it was he that was like, we will do this countersuit when she first accused him of. Yeah. I would, if that were me, I wouldn't want to play this game anymore. I wouldn't want to produce movies. I wouldn't want to do anything. I would just be like, you know what, maybe Costco's hiring. Yeah. I would be so disheartened by the whole thing. Like all we wanted to do was make a good movie and it turned into this. So I don't know. It is so interesting with someone who had, has success. Like I came across like a video. I remember that girl, Leela Sabisky. Oh, Leela Sobiesky. Yes. Yes. She looked like a young mad about you. What was that girl that was a mad about? Helen Hunt. She looked like a young Helen Hunt. And I come across and they're like, what happened to her? And I was like, oh my God, you're right. She like was in all these big movies, everyone just, she's getting so many opportunities. And I was like, what happened? And it just was like, she just was like, I'm good. There wasn't anything bad that happened or maybe there was. We don't know. Yeah. She's married, she has kids and now she's like a professional painter. Respect. Yeah. Yeah. You, I mean, I think that's great when people can say, look, I did it. I conquered, you know, I climbed that mountain and I got sick of it. I didn't want to do it anymore. I wanted to have more control over my life. I get it. I think it's really hard for people to think that you'd ever, because I think people see the pinnacle, right? Being that you're a wanted actress, that you're working, that you, it wasn't like the offer stopped coming. Like she was still young. It was just like, you're right. She's like, I've been to all the things. Yeah. And maybe I don't really like it. Maybe it did come too easy. And she did it all and she was exhausted by it and was like, I'm good. I mean, I have to say, I have to say, it gets really boring when you're sitting on a set far from home. You know, I mean, if you work a 12 hour day, you may, you maybe spend three hours of it acting. Yeah. The rest you're sitting around. Right. You know, and trying to keep busy playing Angry Birds. I mean, I played Angry Birds on a movie thing until I damn near went blind. I was so bored. Do you try to like, do you try to discipline yourself so that you aren't on your phone for 14 hours? Yes, but then it just goes back to that because, well, it goes back to what's happening in the world. I've been locked away all day long. I have no idea what time it is, you know, or what's happening in the world. But I can see why people would get irritated. Would you ever do a reality celebrity thing that's not just like a one-off, not just like Hollywood squares, like, you know, special forces or dancing with the stars or for two weeks you're locked in a house. No phone. I couldn't do the locked in the house thing. I couldn't do that. Special forces looked interesting, but no, dancing with the stars maybe. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I don't know. Doesn't that also make you worried about the physicality of it all? Yeah. Yeah. I will also think like your body will never be better, but I also just think like, well, then don't you have to tour after that? What about traders? No, I don't think so. I don't think you have to tour unless you want to. Okay. Okay. I think, wait, does stars really go to or I think they do. I think the dancers do it with like each other. Huh. I thought some of the others did it too, but maybe it's just if you want to. What about traders? You wouldn't do traders? Traders would be the easiest, funnest one I think. Really? I don't think so. I don't think so. No. Yeah. But who knows? Who can say? Yeah. Who can say? All right. The acting bits, not the rest of it. You have done so much. Of course. I played your bridesmaids in a Reno 101. Reno 911. Yeah. And that show came out, you guys did separate movies and then it came back. And we cranked out two more movies. And now what? I don't know. I've been talking to Tom Lennon and like I have an idea. He's the creator. Yeah. One of the creators. I'm the star of it. Yeah. Dangle plays Jim Dangle in the shorts. Short shorts. I have an idea for something that I want to see if he likes, but then, you know, verticals are a big deal now. Right. Yeah. And that's where people can watch a whole series on their phone like you would a TikTok video. Yeah. Right. And I don't know if you've ever watched these series, but some of them are, most of them are terrible. But hilariously so. So we were talking about, well, if they can be terrible, I've got lots of terrible ideas. Shouldn't we do this too? Like the production values are awful. It seems like the business model is here's $10,000. Okay. You got a week to come up with some crap. Okay. And all it is is, you know, eight minutes and we're going to divide it up into episodes. Yeah. Well, how hard can that be? Right. You know, and then I start seeing like Tay Diggs has a vertical thing coming out. I think Peacock might be working on verticals. Well, if they're all going to be terrible, I want in. I've got some terrible ideas. Come on. Let's go. You know. Well, I'm excited for your terrible ideas to make it to my phone. Wendy, where can they follow you? You can follow me. You're an active cat mom. I'm an active cat mom. Oh, on Instagram. That's really the only place you can find me. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming. I love having me. So good. Thanks. Bye.