4.18. Freshy Fresh for London 2026!

What's up everybody? You welcome to a brand new episode of Nobody Asked Us with Desi and Cara presented by Brooks Running. I botched the original intro but I just came through on the second one. How are you, Des? She's back. So back. I'm doing good. How are you? I'm so sleep deprived. Dude, like slap happy. Like, yeah. I don't want that. I'm not even like giggly. I'm just like, stay awake. I mean, was last night the first time you slept in your bed in a month? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. That's crazy. We had a silly travel home too because we flew back through Boston. We left some bags there. It was a little travel thing, but like flying from Detroit ended up being way more expensive because it was like to Boston from anyways, it was like a multi city trip. So you just went back to Boston, grabbed bags that we left at a friend's house and then had like a long layover till we left at like 5pm. Ironically, we just like started doing stuff. We went and got lunch and then we were like, oh my God, we're going to miss the flight. We're so we like made it on. I was like, I will kill myself if we miss this. But we made it on flew back to Detroit and then the dogs are staying up in Northern Michigan. So Ryan's like, I'm just going to drive straight up. We're just going to go straight and pick up the dogs and stay up there tonight. Yesterday night. And yeah, so we probably parked the car like, I want to say it was either 12 or two. I slept the most of the way, which was he was really kind. He was like, just go to sleep. Well, you have like jet lag on jet lag on jet lag. Yeah, it's compounding. So I did sleep and then I was up at like 5 this morning, which is perfect. Like you kind of get into that rhythm. But yeah, at first time up here, probably since like early Jan. Wow. Is it nice to be home? I mean, you haven't been home for even 24 hours yet, but is it nice to be there? Yeah. I mean, honestly, we got the dogs back. That was great. They're doing well. Are they so excited to see you? Yeah, it's the best. I mean, obviously, anytime you leave and come back, they're so fired up. But like Rivers wants to be kind of grumpy with you. Like, I can't believe you did that. But he can't. Like he, his body betrays him. Like he'll do this awful tootie smile. He's like, yeah. And then like, you know, when they shake to left to right and they're like folding in half because their tail is wiggling so hard. So he'll do all of that. And then he'll be like, oh, I'm too good for you for a few minutes. And then you're like, no, you're not. You're fine. And then he's like sitting on my lap all day. Like, oh, yeah. And Boston's always happy. He's just afraid of getting into the fray of the river's machine. Yeah. How was your travel home? It was fine. I got up on the marathon morning saw you when you were headed to the train and went saucy be you wished your luck walked her to the train and then went for a run went back, watch the entire woman's marathon on TV and then headed to the airport before the men had finished. So yeah, it was just like a long flight, but it was one flight. Yeah, uneventful. I was home at like 7pm. So it was actually great. Yeah. But then I like yesterday morning woke up at like 330, like wide awake. Yeah. And then I did it again this morning. So I'm like, cool. Yeah. Just long enough over there that it like, yeah, it was just long enough that you're scared for a couple of days. Sorry about that. Yeah. Sorry about that. Well, let's talk about London. Let's talk about some of the stuff we did. Should we talk about our podcast there? What didn't we do? We did it all. We did do it all. We went to a play. We did a lot of tourism. Let's talk about that. What did you see? How did you guys pick your itinerary? Well, I didn't pick anything. So like we got in and CB got in like an hour after I did and we made this plan that we would like go for a run and then we would just do tourism stuff and like stay up all day. And it was actually a genius plan, except for that neither of us could get into our hotel rooms. Other than that, it was like great. So we like, I just grabbed stuff out of my bag, checked my luggage and then went to see her. We ran five miles. Then we waited. We went and got lunch and then finally her room was ready. So we went and showered and then her husband had planned this whole like crazy travel thing, which he ended up having to break into three days because it was so long. So we did this like, yeah, we did this like walking tour and it was actually really fun because so much of it was on the Olympic course. But he was like so into this walk and how we needed to like keep going. And I was like, Oh, I want to go past Buckingham Palace to blocks down is the hotel that I stayed at with my family for the Olympics. Because I like didn't stay in the village because I had colt and I was like, I just want to stay here. I can walk over to start. And he's like, Oh, like that's not on the itinerary, you know, and I'm like, Yeah, no, I'm gonna walk over there. Yeah. And so we walked down there and we're across the street and he's like, Okay, you saw it. Let's go. And I was like, No, I want to like go over there. Like in I definitely threw him for a loop because I added like 10 minutes on to our his schedule. But no, we saw so much. I mean, it was like insane. We saw all the sites. We walked over six miles, which she lied to you and say we didn't but we did. And I actually slept so good that night, you know, because I got back to our hotel like 730. My luggage was already in my room. I took a shower. I was like watching something on Netflix. And I kept like head bobbing and rewinding the movie. And then finally I was like, What am I doing? So yeah, that was fun. And I got to see a lot in just reminisce, you know, like, yeah, Cole, like I was there with Cole when he was a baby and then we went back, we've been back a couple more times. And so yeah, I like London. It's a cool city. It is, it is walkable, but it's like, you're gonna walk like five days at miles. Yeah. Yeah. Did you like the neighborhood we stayed in? The theater? I actually really did like it. I really liked our hotel. I thought it had a lot of character. Like my room was really tiny, but I didn't care. I don't know. I just, I liked where we were. There was so much going on, but yet the hotel was quiet. Yeah. Did you like it? I did. I thought the area was cool. It was like, it was weird because there was just a touch away from everything marathon. Yes. Yeah. Like you had to have a reason to get to the Hyperion house and like it was something that was going on in the Hyperion house, but it always seemed like it was pretty busy there. And then like once people got there, then you get the crowd and people are like, oh, I want to see what, what is happening. So like kind of built up throughout the day. But yeah, I liked the spots. It was cool. We did a fair amount of walking each day, a coffee shop that was just like, You had a coffee shop that you were obsessed with. Tell us about this coffee shop. Yeah. It was, I was actually really sad because I looked up our flight home and I was like, oh, we're not going to be able to get back there. Like that was it. That was, we missed it. Best espresso I've ever had. It was just like the descriptions that you read in the bag are usually like whatever, like maybe you taste it. Maybe there's a tiny hint and it's probably just made up by someone who was like, what can I, what's the most obscure like, I don't know, bourbon cream candy, like a fuck off. It's not in there. Like she's just not, you know, but this like espresso, what was it? It was like watermelon, cherry, milk, chocolate or something or whatever. And like, it was like a cup of like fruit that tasted just like that, but it was espresso and like it was really coffee flavor, but it wasn't bitter. And then there was also another process that they did with it was called waved, where they like infuse it with more air like pockets, bubbles. And so it was creamier and then even more of the acidity comes out and it was just like this smooth delightful espresso. I loved how excited you were about it. I was so excited. And I was like, it sounded amazing, but I was like, I'm not going to walk over there. I'm just copying the room. It was awesome. Like you were super into it. It was a great spot. We went to like two or three times. So and then we got to see Dracula with Cynthia. That was cool. It was really good. What were your thoughts on that? Like, did it surprise you at all? Yeah, I thought I was going to hate it and be bored and just be like, and honestly, early on, I fell asleep for like 20 minutes for sure. But once I woke up, I was like immediately into it. I was like, Oh, this got good. Like I think it was a slow start. It definitely was. Yeah. But yeah, but once it got going, I didn't feel like I missed any major moments. And I was like, okay, like I'm actually very into this. It was incredible. It was just like, I don't even know how to describe it was like true theater. I usually go like to musicals. Okay. Yeah. You know, like this was the last day, you know, and so yeah, it was intense and it just kept building. I loved the just like the visuals. I thought the set was cool given like you're working with one person. And then I was wondering to like the timing of it because she talked a little bit about how it got super condensed and like super condensed, but she like figured it out and it got shorter as a show. But I wondered with some of the screens like if that's all one pre recorded thing and then she has to hit her marks or I was wondering that too. I wish we had asked about that. Yeah, I was just like, this is crazy. Cause if you like, I think there was once or twice from like, oh, she might have like just paused a little too long in that line or like said it like, reenunciated it. And I was like, oh, second to throw everything off. But it was like, she knew and it was like, seemed like it was flawless. It was incredible. So if you guys don't know, it's a one act play about an hour 45 minutes, she plays 23 parts. And she's essentially just telling the story of Dracula. Like she's reading the novel, but she's acting out all the parts and it's, there's no breaks. There's no, you know, even when she's changing character, there's no breaks. They're just changing her clothes or her wig while she's still performing. It was so intense. And I agree, it started off slow. And I was like trying to think like remember all the characters. I was like, I don't really know what's happening. But then like I started, I think like then they started using more costumes and wigs and that was helping me a lot. And then it just got so intense towards the end. But I was what struck me was her athleticism through the whole thing. I mean, she wasn't just standing there giving these lines, she was moving and posing and like it was just insane. Like the amount of endurance she had to have to do that. And she's been doing eight shows a week while training for London. It's crazy. You know, it was cool. I thought it like, I know a lot of folks had tickets to the show on Saturday. They had a lot of media out there. Brooks had a lot of media out there. And it was like that was the day media was going to go. And she canceled her show. And I was like, get for you. Yeah. I mean, I don't know like who covers that like the losses or whatever. But I don't know. I think maybe she reached out to Erica and was like, do you think I should perform tonight? I'm kind of on the fence. I don't I don't know if she said I don't want to or I'm thinking I don't want to. And Erica was like, if it were me. Right. And I think they had that conversation, but they canceled the show on Saturday night. And I thought that was like, just a kind of a nod to how serious she was about the marathon. Yeah. I mean, if I took away one thing from like watching her perform and then the brief time we spent with her, like she could be a legit competitive athlete if she wanted to be. Like if that's what she had chosen instead of being in drama, she would have been like, she's a phenomenal athlete. And it just shows in her performances and how she's able to do everything. Like she ended up running 321. But I'm like, she could she could run a lot under three hours. Yeah. Yeah. She walks for like a half mile. Of that. Oh, on the stage? No, no, for during the race. So she ran 321, but she walked for like a half like she just had to like, so she, you know, she could sort there's time there. And she was like carrying so much stuff like she had a big vest on. I'm like, girl, we got you. You keep this way down. But yeah. So then we got to interview her. It was not a typical nobody asked us. No. It was very different because we were like dealing with like she's such a big star. So we were dealing with like her managers and what questions are we allowed to ask her. So just had a different vibe, but she showed up and it was cool. And it was cool that she can relate so much to like, I think that people in the running community can like kind of relate to her, which in another way you wouldn't be able to. I mean, she's like such a mega star, right? Yeah, I thought it was awesome just like to be able to dig into those parallels and like to that she was, I don't know, you're when your person is on stage, you know, how to turn it on. But it was absolutely fascinating or like, I don't know anything about her. You know, we could have done more research, I could have done more research, but I was like, well, we'll chat and we'll like get some notes or whatever. But it was like, here's a three minutes, five minutes, we're gonna meet her, and then you're gonna interview her. Yeah. I mean, it was literally like, hi, nice to meet you, photo, go do the pot. Let's go. Yeah. Yeah. So I was pleased with the things we were able to talk about. And then I think we like, I think some in that little tiny bit, like they gave her the shoes with the charm and like, you could see her light up a little bit and we were able to get a little bit out of that out too. And I think once you get those moments and people like kind of loosen up and they're more likely to like pick up the mic at the end and give everyone a pep talk. Yeah, that was not comfortable. She's just there to see. Yeah. And I thought what came across really, really well was that she and Erica have obviously formed a close relationship. And so that was one cool thing that I feel like we got to show. Yeah. But yeah, it was definitely different for us. Like we didn't get to just like originally we were like, Oh, we'll just talk to her. And then they're everyone's like, no, that's not how it works. She's a big deal. We need to know what you're going to ask her. Right. Well, I think we had the Anthony Ramos interview, which we did was like so it was so casual. It was like, we could ask him anything we wanted and you knew him and it was like, yeah, and this was a different atmosphere, but it ended up great. Yeah. Any takeaways? Like anything you would do different? I wish that we had gotten permission to have audience questions because I just feel like that's one of the things that our live pods didn't make our live pod special. But we just weren't able to do it. And we only had so much of her time. But if we did it again, that's something I would probably try to fight for. But I mean, it probably wasn't approved anyway. But I just feel like that's what makes the live show special as people get to ask us stuff. And so that would have been kind of fun to bring the audience in a little bit more. Yeah, I think that I guess the front side of that is like, we talked very briefly about the races, but if we had more time to chat and kind of skate your interest on the sport if she's into it or just have her sit out there and maybe- Like does she follow any of those people? Does she know who they are? We're for like ask questions after. That would have been kind of cool too. Just it was like, okay, this is our world. And then if she goes like, oh, that's something I'm going to look up later. That's great. That's a big win. But- Yeah, that would have been cool. Yeah. I mean, we learned a lot, I think, right? I think so. Okay, so we interviewed her. That was on- what day was that? That was Friday? Yeah, that was Friday. And then Friday afternoon, I ran with high school age kids for future run, which was awesome. Probably the chattiest group of kids I've ever met in my life. Dang. Like so many questions and good questions. Cool. Yeah. Like when we were like good questions on the panel, really good questions about like getting nervous and superstitions and long-term goals. And then when we were running, like really in-depth questions about like progression through this sport and yeah, just like mental health and all sorts of great stuff. So I really, really enjoyed that. And then I booked it from there over to the 5K, ran the 5K, which was awesome. And then Saturday, what did I do? I kind of just hung out with CB. The group run in the morning. Oh yeah, we had our group run. That was fun. Yeah, that was super fun. That was fun. We were- that was really fun. People were so friendly. Yeah, we were excited to be there, which it was a rough start. It was super rough, but you saved the day. It feels like it's the most Monday, Monday right now. Like this is like sad, sad group run. Yeah. I know I was like, well, this is going to be a long three mile run, but then you just grabbed the mic and got everyone going. So that was good. What's up everybody? I'm sure I have to do a hey, hey, hey. I love a hey, hey, hey. You know what? It was so good because you grabbed the mic and did that and then everyone started laughing and then everyone got, again, people got chatty, like super chatty on the run, which I love. Like you came out all this way. Like let's actually talk. It's so fun. Yeah. Like you don't have to be or you guys can go home. Right. I know. That was pretty much my Saturday because then I went and hung out with CB for a while. We got our nails did and then rolled into dinner and then Sunday. So what did you do the rest of the weekend? Because I didn't- after the- what did you do Saturday after the group run? Yeah, we went and met for coffee and then coffee ended and it was time for lunch. So we went and got a beer at a pub and then had another beer and then walked back and then I think we had dinner and then the hotel bar was really cool. Everyone was hanging out there. So we hung out there ended up being a pretty late night. I know. But then you got up and you freaking ran a marathon. So talk to us about London Marathon and talk to us like, so now you've done five of the majors. So I want to know what things about London made it unique or what things surprised you that were like different from Boston and Chicago and New York if there was. Yeah. No, I think it's- it reminded me a lot of New York. Just some of the like- I get probably because it's such a big city and coming off Boston was so different because you're like, well, you start out in the small town and it's like- just feels like homey, you know? This felt like big city. Yeah, it was really crowded. The fans were amazing. Didn't love a ton of the vision like the scenery or the landmarks. They're kind of- and I just don't know them so maybe I just aren't respecting them enough. But Tower Bridge was really cool. And then the finish was really cool. But the rest of it could have been anywhere. And I think I was just like so focused on my job that maybe I missed a lot. Yeah. There was a lot of like medians in the road that there was no warning, which was crazy. So just like all of a sudden people just like split and then there'd be like a barrier there or like- I saw that on the TV with a beef lemon. Yeah. And you're just like, oh my god, this is insane. Like in the states at like lawsuit for sure. Right. A lot of wheelchair athletes, pushers, runners that were- you know, they didn't have like a flag and they were just kind of in the pack and same type of thing where I'm like, oh boy, like this is- it works. It's crazy because it works, but you're just like, man, lawsuit. Because really nothing. And then I was surprised how little in CB and I talked about this afternoon, how little hydration and nutrition was on course. It seemed like it was like maybe every four miles. And it was like a full bottle of water. So then when people threw like people like, oh, stepping on cups is so terrible. Stepping on a water bottle with water is way worse. So there was a lot of crazy hazards that I was just surprised by. But other than that, I mean, I thought Tower Bridge was awesome. That was such a special moment. And the crowds were great. That was cool. Tell me about how you and CB found each other because you started at the same time, but in different places. And CB was so worried she wasn't going to find you. And I was like, you're looking for her. She's looking for you. She knows what pace you're running. You're going to find each other. So I actually haven't talked to her. I've talked to her, but I forgot to ask her about this. How did you guys find each other? I was tracking you and I'm like, oh, they're together. Because you're like, every group was like perfectly on. Yeah. It was, I feel like it's one of those things when you're nervous and you kind of make it to be bigger than it actually is. So it started out as we were starting at two or three, like we were starting at two totally different start lines. And I was like, okay, like, I'll just get, I'll go out hard. I'll get to the four mile mark that can like converge at three, I'll get to four and just wait there under the sign and just be like, you know, like waving and like, don't miss me. I'll just, that's what I'm doing, you know. And that was my game plan. And then I started looking it up. I was like, well, which one do you start in? And she sent it over and I was like, you starting the same corrupt, like we're in the same spot. So it gets a little easier. And then I had the TCS start where I had to drop my bag. So I was like, I got, I have to do that. And then I got there and it's just like a big open field where the normies hang out. And then there's a VIP tent where I am. No, no, but, but so this is where my bag job was. So it was like a VIP is like a big TCS clubhouse. And like, that's where the TCS people were. So I was like, this is actually really easy. All she has to do is come over to the tent and I can work out and meet her. And so like, I'm text, I texted and then I had asked if she was going to bring her phone. She's like, no, I don't run with it. And I was like, but maybe you'll bring in your bag. And so, but she did not. And then so I was sitting like kind of by the entryway. And then she's just like, Hey, hey, good. And so we got, we walked to the start together and it was totally fine. I was like, this was something that we could have right on our stress levels down. So your five case was exactly the same. But I thought you guys were four miles. So I was like, wow, that's wild. Like, yeah, they did it so hard. Yeah. Okay. So you actually started together. Okay. So what was it like pacing someone? Because that's kind of a, I mean, you, you were kind of pacing Ryan, but you're pacing CB. It's a totally different environment, different feel, different pace. How was that? Yeah. I mean, honestly, she knows her pace better than I do. So it was kind of like, you just lead the first couple of miles, like you get into the rhythm that you want. And then you're also dodging a lot of traffic. Just yeah, because that's just what it is early on. But I felt kind of bad because I felt like she was worried about me like, Oh, like move here. Oh, like, do you like my no, no, no, no, no, like you just do your thing. I'm here. And then as the race, like we got more space and more room and I got into the right rhythm. I was like moving up like by your side more frequently and just like I would get her bottles for her instead of her going off to the side on a lot of occasions. And then as she got tired later in the race, it was me running in front of her a little bit more and being like, Okay, like I keep your eyes on my shoulder. And then, you know, like when you feel it start to expand a little bit too much, you readjust to what the pace should be, like kind of let her dictate, but also like, it kind of sucks because you're just one stepping the shit out of someone. Right. She's like, gotta be a little faster. Let's try to be a little faster. Yeah, faster. And then I did notice on her, her socials, she was like, Des yelled at me a lot. I was yelling for her, not at her. So it's like encouraging her, but then also like just giving her like objectives, like just trying to pump her up, like, like, see that lady in the yellow shirt? She's fucking nobody. Like you got this, like, let's go catch her. And like she, you could see as soon as she like had that objective, like she would lock in and like be super focused. And then it wasn't about following me. It was about her racing. And then the last like probably mile, maybe 2k, it was like, okay, we just one step at a time, we're just getting to the finish line. Like, like, I'm going to pull a little bit away from you. You're going to close it up and pull a little bit away. And then we got to just do the home stretch together, which she kept tucking behind me in the home stretch. And I'm like, no, like, I'm not finishing in front of you. Like, you're not hiding behind me, like right next to me. And then she finally did, which was cool. And Ryan had the, there was like a TCS VIP at the finish is incredible. Like it's these two clubhouses along the finishing stretch and you just like watch the people go buy right next to you. But then there's also like the boss, you know, like the Boston photo bridge, it's that, but it's VIP. And then it has a clear bottom. So he was up there and got like, yeah, yeah, he was fired up. It was really cool that he got those. And yeah, and then afterwards is really, really tough, which yeah, we got her where she needed to be. But it was like, oh, this is kind of scary, because she was just unempty. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, it was fun. I said, if it wasn't an event where you want to stop the clock early, it would have been fun to just be out running forever. But yeah, that's how it works. Where was the, where was the beer that you took? Where was that on the course? Was that mile wise? That was the Brooks activation was at nine and like a quarter. Okay. And like, they were all going to be there. I think if you, I think Elena from the Brooks crew stopped in Hattiganis. Okay. And then someone else had a beer as well. But I just took a good gulp. Ryan was like, Ryan is hilarious because it was like a mission. Like I saw the video afterwards. And he's like a soccer mom, you know, like soccer ones are like watching the ball and they like move their body. But he was doing that with the beer. He was like, and like, did the head motions with me? And he's like, yes, I got it. I was like, you're the best, Ryan. He's so supportive. That's awesome. My bad habits. He's like, I know. Well, good. It was a successful day. And it meant a lot to CB and you definitely helped her because she was, she was hurting a little bit at the end there. And she said it was super helpful to have you there. So I was a little jealous. I wasn't able to be out there with you guys, but it looked awesome and proud of both of you. And I wish I could have done a bib pass and just like tagged you in for the last half or whatever, whatever you were up for. My legs hurt so bad. It was like, she's going to drop me. She's going to drop me. I think one of the things that I've learned about you in all of this crazy racing thing that you did is like, and we talked about this a little bit when we grabbed coffee one day, but I feel like you've unlocked this thing that you actually are a gritty bitch, man. Like you can just come day after day after day. And that's a skill that maybe you didn't even know you had until these last four weeks or three weeks. Yeah. I mean, I think it comes from like just running high mileage for so long, right? You're like, oh, it doesn't really matter if I don't want to do this today. You just got to get it done. So I don't think it's gritty. I think it's just lack of intelligence. Well, a lot of people can have lack of intelligence and still wouldn't be able to do it. So it was super impressive. Like your body is able to like just withstand a lot, which is like that in itself is like a really impressive skill. Yeah. I think durability is for sure. And it's like underrated. We're like, I just don't get injured that much. But also recovery. I've been recovering with ketone IQ, a sponsor of this pod and some upcoming pods. But seriously, this is a post run or post workout ketone IQ recovery is great. And then also just like the mental clarity, which I did take a ketone on course. I didn't take much because I just didn't plan that out very well. But I think the mental clarity late where you're just like, I want to be done. I'm like, you can go down, you can spiral a little bit. Oh, yeah. This ketone IQ is a pretty good boost. Okay. So you know, it's kind of better. Go ahead. I have really only used ketone for broadcasting because I just don't run that much. But guess what I'm doing before my long runs, I've been taking a ketone like right before I start. I did it. I guess. Well, you've been going. No, I was back out today, but I only ran 10 and a half because I was like, I, that's great. That's amazing. I'm trying to work up to 13, which would be like, I haven't done that in four years. marathon and I would like to not not competitive, but like that's kind of the goals. If I can consistently run 13 on my own, then it's like, of course, I can do it with a crowd. So yeah, so I had done like a few, maybe five, 10 mile runs. And then I did an 11 mile run before we left. And I used a ketone for that one. And then I was back out today and I only went 10 and a half, but I used a ketone again. So it's actually kind of fun to like, yeah, yeah, actually use it for running. Apply it. Yeah. Different. Well, it's yeah, I mean, I do think there's different ways to use it and different purposes to use it. But I would say I would recommend recovery as well. That's good to know. I didn't know that. Yeah. I mean, I feel like it's helped me like stay focused through the run. Honestly, like my brain is like not wandering or like, like I want to be done. I feel like it's helping me, but I didn't know about the recovery. So I'm going to have to try that now. That's going to be my next thing is take one before and after. Love it. Well, if you listeners want to try a ketone IQ, we'll put a link in the show notes. And we usually get a really great offer. We just partnered up for a good couple podcasts here. So that will be details will be in the show notes and coming soon. But yeah, we're pumped to talk about them and have them as partners and supporters of the pod because we love their stuff. We do love their stuff. Cole uses it too. He uses it before your races. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we're going to move on because we have so much to talk about, but I just wanted to read this to you because I'm always not always, but I was like watching the commentating and I was watching the, you know, the elite races that they had on TV. And I was like, oh, this is a great pod topic because like the British broadcast really different than Americans. It's really, really harsh. Like they say stuff that like, we would never say. So I wrote this down like, oh, this is something for us to talk about. And then, which we're not going to talk about today because so much other stuff than it ended up happening. And then I wrote this down right before I left for the airport. So I saw the women finish and I wrote, is London losing its magic touch? And they wrote, Valencia, Barcelona, are they faster? Because we saw a 210 in Barcelona this year. We've seen, you know, a 211 on the women's side, just to clarify on the women's side, we saw a 210, 210 high this past year in Barcelona. We've seen, you know, faster than 215 at Valencia, I believe. And so I really thought that there was a three pack of women that were extremely talented. And I thought they were going to run like 213 to 14. And so I can't even believe I'm poo-pooing 215. But the wheelchair, the wheelchair races weren't particularly fast. And then the women were not particularly fast. And it really the rest of the field was not particularly fast. And I was thinking like, maybe London has lost its touch. Like now that people are going to these other marathons. So then I get in my cab to go to the airport and then three men run under the world record and fucking ruin my theory. So I just had to read that too. Because I was like, this is a pod topic. And I couldn't have been more wrong. Yeah, well, no, I mean, I think that's a very valid question and point. But I wonder if it if it goes even into like where they put their resources, you know, like we actually went all in more in on the men. This was the bigger matchup. But like when you looked at it on paper, the women's was was going to be it. I mean, sorry, but there was the former world record holder versus the New York and Boston winner versus the winner from last year, they came through the half in 66 minutes, I didn't 66 and change. It is crazy, but I didn't think it was that crazy. I mean, Helen O'Berry's run to 17 in Boston. And they heard a number of times 211 shaped to 12 shape. Exactly. So I thought that they were going to run like, I was like, Oh, they're going to run like low to 13s high to 12s. And the pace just sort of fell apart. And that happened to the rest of the women's field as well. It really was like they they positive split it. And so I was just thinking like, and and we're this is going to come up what we're about to shift to, which is that those were the three of the best women in the marathon right now. I mean, are you able to believe the three best minus Sharon Locati and so far, right? So there's two missing. But out of the top five power women, three of them were there. So I don't want to hear that it wasn't a good field or that the pacing wasn't good because they were through the half and 66 and change. When did the pacer step off? That's a good question. I can't remember. But they were racing each other, you know what I mean? Which is like the defense that we're hearing about the men is that it was three men racing each other. And that's what was happening in the women's race to the breakaway was late. O'Berry and Jeff Cosk I were only two seconds apart. And Asifah only won by 12 seconds and it happened late. So it's like they were racing late into the game together. I wonder too, like I wonder when the pacer stepped off and I haven't watched it yet. But like sometimes as soon as the pacer steps off, it becomes like, who's going to be the aggressor here? And why should I push it? And so all of a sudden, and that's fair. And there was a little bit of that happening because Asifah was kind of like yelling at Jeff Cosk I to come take some work. And but there were three women late in the game. And so I don't know, I just had this thought maybe London is like no longer the magical marathon that it was back when I was competing, right? Like London was where Paul was at the world record, around 215. I mean, Paul around 215 there in shit shoes. That's crazy. I question the depth has just not been great. I think. I mean, like it falls off really quick. So you're paying for, you know, three or four people and then that's that's your budget and whatever whoever else shows up. And then also I think to lose Hasan Safan is a big I mean, she's someone that you're okay, we have to be aggressive. We have to take out a kick. It changes the entire strategy of the entire little bit. But and then I also I think it was sneaky warm, which is crazy to say because we look at the men's side and you're like, no, it was perfect. But I think it was sneaky warm. I think it was too, because I think it showed in both men's and women's wheelchair races. And I think it showed in the men fifth place and on. So yeah, yeah, superhuman up front, which is crazy. Yeah, but that's an interesting observation. And I don't think you're totally wrong. I do think that that these other races are showing that you can go a lot of different places. I mean, even Chicago, right? Like, yeah, Berlin, it's like there's there's plenty of opportunities. So I guess I don't know budget wise how that changes things. If you're like, well, let's just go all in on three. Like depth doesn't matter. If we set a world record, we're the best anyways. So like, let's just get the heavy hitters and not worry about anything else. But they still need to race. Right. I mean, it was a woman's only world record. Did they not have no Pacers? No, they had women, female Pacers. So it was a woman's only world record. But I like remember when Paul around 215 there. And so I'm just like, they should be running to 10. Right. For sure. I would have thought that is well, like I was surprised. It's just so funny. So like, well, it's kind of that's not really that fast. I know, which by the way, three years ago, I would have like freaked out at that. We just were right, right. Right. So anyway, the women's race was interesting. I'm not dogging on them at all. I thought it was a slowish day because of the weather and but then the men ripped it, man. And should we get into it? We should get into it. How are we feeling about sub two? I am fine with it. So yeah, I think was like, I posted this question on threads and it was like, be honest, take out emotion. Do you see any difference in the way the rate the world record in 204 or 2024 was covered and this one today. And like men were not okay in my responses. They were like immediately giving me all the reasons why I needed to believe the result I saw, which was not what I my point at all. My point was that when Ruth set the world record, it was this is why it can't be real. And when this world record was set, it was these are the reasons why it is real. And that was a stark difference. And that was my point. I wasn't saying he was dirty. I was insane. You don't get to believe it. And it was like, whoa. Yeah, like, are you guys okay? I'm not even accusing him of anything. And I just as the days have gone on, I've been just getting more and more fucking irritated with the way that this has been covered as like this breakthrough for humanity. And I don't know. It's just like the world record was shattered. 65 seconds were taken off. Sub two hours by two men. And third place, Kim Lima was also under the previous world record. And that's awesome. And it's exciting. But I and I'm not even mad about that. But no, that's not the point. Right. I'm just annoyed that it's like framing of it. Yeah, the men it's like framed as like they have changed what's possible and all this stuff. And it's like, I don't know, it's just fucking annoys me. Yeah. No, I think it's totally fair. I mean, it was literally like this rich chipping get itch broke the sport. Yes. You know, this is the last day I believe in this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, without a positive test. Right. And if this doesn't break your brain equally, I want to know why. Yeah, well, I can tell you why why people were telling me. Okay. They were telling me you obviously don't follow the sport. This has been coming. And I'm like, okay, okay. But this is my yeah. And this is what I kind of want to talk about today is like, if you want to make if you want to make an argument for why you believe or performance, you can just like we could have made one for Ruth, we could have said, you know, she's gone out too hard in the past. This time she didn't go out quite as hard. You know, her training's been good, blah, blah, blah. But so this is what people were telling me in my comments that I was dumb, and I don't know anything about the marathon. And I mean, like literally, and I was like, oh, okay, that we've known this for a long time. Well, he ran his first marathon in 2024. So I don't know how like we've known this like for so long. And that the only reason that he didn't do it in Berlin was because it was hot and I have no idea what it's like to run in the heat. And then there were three men racing and that's why, but I'll point out that there were three women racing as well. And the men came through and they negative split. And then the other reason, the big, big reason was that he gets extra drug testing. And I actually want to address that right now. Got. Before Berlin, Adidas paid the AIU $50,000 to test him 25 times in two months. All of these tests, none of them were reported. We didn't get to see any of them, but, but we were told they took place. Okay, it's been reported they took place. People talked to people at the AIU reporters. I had a reporter reach out to me who said, it did happen before Berlin. I'm not arguing it didn't. Okay. I do want to point out that that's a slight conflict of interest when you are paying an independent organization to direct test you and they're taking money from you. But that's fine. I understand that if you're trying to prove your clean, it's really hard to. Sure. I have a lot of other thoughts about that. Like you should be releasing the data then. I also want to point out that if the AIU is conducting these tests, you still can't be tested between 11pm and 6am. Yeah. So just want to say that. A lot of people are in my comments being like, they paid the program again, and he got tested 25 times again. That's not true. They actually interviewed his coach afterwards. And his coach said, I actually don't know how many times he was tested in the lead up to London. I know it's more than most people, but we gave them the same budget, but they said, let's take that 50,000 and use it for the entire year. So does he have more drug testing than other people? That's what we're told. Do we know that for sure? I don't know. But that was a big one that people were super mad at me about. And I just want to point out that Rich Up and Get Itch was tested a lot because she was suspicious. I think she's probably targeted, right? She didn't pay for it. She was target tested. And she never tested positive before her record, which is why she still has it, right? Exactly. So yeah. And I listen, I hate this conversation because I hate arguing against an athlete because I do think that if he wants to prove he's clean, I don't know what the solution is. I would say like, sure, keep getting the extra testing, but I would say like, share what day it happened, share the data. Like, that's 24 hours a day. Open it up to 24 hours a day. Yes. Thank you. That would be a great idea. Just like, oh, go ahead. You're paying money to continue doing exactly what we've always done. So it's like, we know the tests are behind, we know that there's big flaws with it. So like, throwing more money to keep doing the same thing doesn't tell me that you're clean. It tells me that this isn't a great system and you've just given it more money. Right. Like, give me the extra. Give me the, like, I guess extra tests, but like, give me the extra, you know, hours of the day. Give me the data. Give me the, like, open up the biological passport so people can see. Like, that to me is transparency versus just more of the same that we know is not a great, it's a fairly flawed system to begin with. Like, one is like trying to create a better system and one is just using money to show, like, it's more optics. It's not really trying to open anything for others to view or understand or comprehend or learn. Totally. I totally agree. And even the guy from the AU said, many of the tests were full panel. So many of them weren't. Many. Many? So many of them were full panel tests. So then what were you actually testing for? Okay. So then I just want to say that a lot of the argument against Ruth was like, she trains alone. She doesn't have a coach. I think she had a shady agent. Yeah. And I just want to say that if we're going to apply those things to her, I'm just going to say that this is, has, Sawie has a pretty troublesome coach. He has had many athletes test positive, including Rita Jeptu, where he was actually had to go to, he was charged with doping offenses in his defense. They ended up being dismissed, but he was in court in Kenya. He has had many teammates test positive, including one right before Berlin last year. And so I'm just like, if that's enough for someone else to look bad, then how come we're willing to look past it for this two hour thing? And I'm not even saying that I don't think he's clean. I'm just saying that hypocrisy drives me crazy. And I know everyone's going to write on the YouTube comments or on my posts about how I'm not getting it and he's doing everything he can to prove he's clean. But if you really cared about his image, why would he be with that coach? Yeah, very fair question. I mean, anyway, I'm just like annoyed by the way everything's being presented right now. And I waited a couple of days and it's continuing. We both got hit hard with the Ruth, the way people responded to Ruth's achievement immediately. And obviously some of it was warranted, but the same thing applies here. And like, the commentary hasn't been the same at all. It hasn't, in my opinion. I mean, I guess, like that's not even for I haven't really looked closely into it. But if I had to guess, the people who the sport was ruined for them, it died that day, are probably jumping up and down celebrating this. Okay, I'm just going to read a quote because you brought up the quote about the sport that that day killed the sport. Someone did say that. And this is what that exact same person said about this. What we witnessed arguably, no, inarguably, the greatest week of marathoning the world has ever seen. And that I was taking screenshots left and right. Like I was insane because I was just this, I'm glad we're, and then that's the point. Like, I think we should be happy. I think we should be optimistic. I think we can hold healthy skepticism. But it's like, I want to see this optimism also for the women, basically, is what I want. Like, if we're like, yeah, sub two hours is totally believable. And now we're going to see sub 158. And who knows, maybe we can get down to 155. Then when another woman runs sub 210, I do not want to hear anything other than, yeah, that makes sense. Right. Well, I mean, yeah, Paula's 215 was a crazy outlier. And that didn't exist. So I don't, I mean, sub 210 would make it, I think it's in line. That's an outlier relative to everything. And not even anymore, we have a two 1050 something, right? As the second fastest time, that is quote unquote, the clean record. So yeah, we don't know what the boundary are. So I don't know why people just immediately get, I mean, I, I do know why they immediately get upset when it's a female, but they shouldn't. Yeah. And I mean, it was a, like a great field up front, right? Like Sebastian Sawyer has obviously been thinking he can break the world record. He's been, that's why he asked for extra testing. Then you had, who a second, Kajelcha? Kajelcha. Kajelcha, who is like such, like we've seen him. So versatile. Yeah. He's, he was a two time, like indoor world champion, two silvers on an outdoor track, and then 10,000, including last year in Tokyo. He had the world record in the indoor mile. He had the world record in the half marathon for a long time. Like I, since I started broadcasting, I've been talking about him. And then you had Jacob Kaplimo, who's Olympic bronze medalist in the 10,000 set, also set the world record, I believe in the half marathon. And so Sawyer is the only one that I don't know that well, because he kind of like, he doesn't have any junior results. We didn't really see him on the track. He went to pace a half marathon, ended up finishing it and running really well, and then entered his marathoning career in 2024 with, he's undefeated now. He's four for four. He wrote, I wrote him down here on 202.05 and in December, 2024 to 1. Valencia, last year in London, 202.27 to in there, the September Berlin, 202.16 to in there. And now he runs 1.59, 30 to win in London. So I don't, I don't know the history of him as much because there isn't, there just isn't a lot there. But he broke into the marathon, I mean, huge. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, you have these three guys going head to head, like, it makes sense that the race was going to be aggressive and fast. And I just, like, I don't have a problem with that. You know what I mean? Right. I don't know if I'm making sense. No, I mean, I get it. I think it's, it's, you want to be excited about it, like logically, if you took the clock away, you watch the racing, and then they popped up at the time at the end, you'd be like, holy shit, like this is a project of race racing. They're pushing each other. These are the best guys. This is what happens, you know, and I also think coming on the heels of Boston and seeing what those guys did, I guarantee that pace, a group was adjusted once they saw the Boston times. I bet you're right. Like, oh, we have to switch that we have to go faster than that. Our course is faster. We have a better, better, we have a really great field, like, let's see what they can do. But I think like their second half marathon was like 59 minutes. Yeah. That's 59 to 159. Okay. So Sebastian Sawie's PR is like 58, 20 or something. Right. So he basically ran 40 seconds or so slower than, I mean, I'm just like, I don't know. I guess I am like a little bit skeptical, but I was also skeptical about where. Yeah. Okay, thank you. I feel like I'm going crazy. Like, no, I mean, I get, I get the like the struggle with it because it's deciding it's interesting. You want to be able to celebrate this moment. Like, what's the point of watching the sport if you can't have any enthusiasm about something cool? And you're like, this is huge for humanity. Right. But so is 210. Like, this is what the possibility of what people could do. But and then you start stripping it down like piece by piece. And you're like, well, this is great for technology. And this is I'm skeptical of this part. And is this a masking thing for that? And his coach is kind of strange. And I think there's an OP ties with Kajalcha. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you can go and dig into a lot of it. And so I get it. I think you shouldn't just blindly be like, wow, this is humanity. A jump a leap in mankind and what we can do. It's like, well, well, that's the other thing I will say about this hour marathon, which is that, is it exciting? Yes. But we're acting like it's a sub to our marathon in the same context that it was 15 years ago. And it's not, it's not the same sport. And like, it's not the same as doing it with the same equipment as 15 years ago. And people are going to be like, get with it. And I get that. But that's why it's not as like crazy to me as it is to some people who are like, just so excited about it. I'm like, guys, it's not, it's not the same effort as it would have been in 2013 or 2014. I think that's the same attitude we brought to the 210, the sub 210. Yes. Where it was like, no, like the women have a shorter history. You've had this one person who was an outlier for a long time, other countries were catching up. Okay, we should be making huge jumps like this. And it was like, we kind of went through that and found a space of like, well, maybe, maybe, maybe. And it was just like, got shit on. And I think you could do it for the men as well. It's like, obviously, the history is a lot longer. They've had a lot of more shots at it. But like, the depth is crazy. You're seeing people move up. So there's reasons for it. I can see how this time is legit. I really can. Like, if shoe tech and bicarb and all of this stuff, I'm like, so maybe 203 is 159. Like, I actually think that I logically, I accept that. And then I'm like, well, then why am I, why am I like doubting it? Like, so I, like, yeah, I am having an internal like battle in my head, for sure. I think that's healthy. Because I think if you're just blindly a fan, you're gonna kicked in the teeth one day and be like, I hate this. I'm never going to watch again. Someone's going to disappoint you. And you just, you can't like, we've seen it too many times where you're like, that's not real. And I do think in the past, like when you saw her read a Jep 2 running by the train in Boston, like dropping, you know, for 50s, 445s, you're like, that's bullshit. I know this course. I know what it feels like. I know the fueling. I know if you can get everything right, like that ain't possible. But now we don't know. I don't know. I mean, I feel like grip on what is doable because it's so different than what we were doing. Well, I think that if Rita Jep 2 did that now, I'd be like, yeah, okay, but we were doing that with shit shoes. And you know what I mean? Like, right, that was gonna like, yeah, I just, it's changed so much. And it's like really hard for me to know what's real and what's not. And it's really hard for me to understand like, like, how much the shoes have changed training. And they've obviously changed racing and Scott Fawble said something about it recently. He said like, I lost my shit. Yeah, like, like I used to love Super Shoes. I don't know what he said, but basically like, it's changed the marathon. It's you don't have, it's not as risky as it once was. And we were like, we know. Right. If only something about this before. Like, you knew that when you left your six-figure deal to go to a brand that was probably paying you very little because you left your deal to sign with them because the shoes were better and they made you a faster marathoner. Like, it's okay. That's okay. Don't act like you're just learning it. Right. Yeah. So it's just, it's hard for me to know because when I ran the marathon, you had to be so careful. And it was physiologically proven that around mile 22, it became a war of attrition. And you had to be so careful. And I don't know what it's like now to like rip a crazy half marathon, just hold on. Like that's not a thing that was possible back when I was racing and in the bulk of your career. So it's hard for me. Like people will be like, do you think that's real? Do you think that's not, I'm like, I legitimately have no idea what it feels like to run a marathon these days. Right. I just don't. I mean, I think it's, yeah, the best way to look at it. It's just a different sport. And what's interesting too is now it's, it's, and we talked about this with the Chep and Gettyge thing, where it's like, we're starting to see the effects of the training and like the sort of compound factor of like getting these fast races in and like the training effect of that, but not being damaged, you'll be able to go out and do more. And I, we're still seeing that. And I think that that's a reason again, why we could look at roots race and say, well, maybe, but no one wanted to. So I don't know why we extend that luxury to the men and not the women, which is like the whole core of this. So I don't know. But all right. Well, thank you for letting me rant on this. Yeah, no, I like, you're like my emotional support friend about stuff like this. It just makes me feel so much better that you're not like, why are you caring about this? Like, I think that's how most fans should be. I think if you blindly believe everything, you're not going to be a fan for long because you're going to get burned. But if you are a hater and you're like, not real, not real, not real. It's like, well, what is real? And what's your bias there? Well, top American or like, you know, you're a Kean guy who's light skinned. That's real. Like, well, what is that about? So I mean, you just kind of dig into all the things. It's like, yes, watch and appreciate it, but can't blindly believe. So you have, and this is a thing that's missing in the world in general is there's nuance, nuance with everything. And you just, yeah, you have to talk through it. And yeah, it's hard to be a fan. But if you want to be a fan, sometimes you have to have faith. And sometimes you have to be a critical thinker and just maybe hold back just a touch. So yeah, yeah, I think I think you're fanning right is my point. I think it's exciting. And but I don't think it changed. Like for me personally, humanity didn't change. But it was it is exciting. And I'm going to I'm going to have that internal dialogue probably forever at this point in my life. Let's let's not lose sleep over it. Excellent segue. Let's not lose sleep over it. And if you feel like you are, I would recommend getting a lagoon pillow so that you can follow sleep quicker, have a more peaceful, restful night of sleep and hit the recovery so that you can build your training as well. Yes. I think that that, you know, I don't maybe that's the key. Maybe that's the ticket. You know, it's not shoes, not bicarb. It's the recovery people are buying the lagoons. And they're recovering better than ever and having higher performances. What do you think about that theory? I think that's great. And I'm not going to lie when I put my head on my pillow Monday night, and it was like so yummy and fluffy. I was like, this is so great. I literally said to Adam, I was like, Oh my God, this pillow feels so amazing. So I was so happy to be back with my lagoon. I forgot to tell you that I went to the Knoxville Marathon. Shout out to Eric. He brought me a brand new auto lagoon flow. Man. Yeah. So I got to sleep on my pillow while I was there, which is pretty freaking awesome. So yeah, we love our lagoon pillows. Did you get to sleep on yours last night? Chinchilla in the house. You haven't been chinchilla for a month, man. Yeah. I thought I was like team no pillow. But when I was in the desert and I'm sleeping on my rolled up puffy jacket, this is bullshit. It's not my chinchilla. So the chinchilla's back. My neck's feeling good. Yeah. Yeah. No, excited for that. Yeah. Well, huge thank you to Lagoon who has been a huge supporter of us and the runners in general. So if you want to go to the show notes, you can get a code there, get a discount on your pillows. We love them. I'm so happy to be back on mine. My neck is happier. Everything about me is happier. And I was only without mine for nine days. So you must have been stoked. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Hit the show notes. We have a code in there. And you know, who's been getting their rest and recovery and seeing amazing performances. I can't single it down to one person. We're going to have to roll in some of these Boston results. But the American men marathoners must be hitting the lagoons hard because their results have been off the charts. And just like we talked about where you see one person do it. And then all of a sudden it's like boom, boom, boom. Everyone comes out of the woodworks and it just seems normal. The 205, the sub 206 crew has gotten a little bit bigger. Yes. Vincent Mori ran the Toledo Marathon on Sunday. I saw this pop up 205, 50, 56 or 54. And I was like, what? Of course, must be short. Yeah. And the course was USATF certified. So then I'm like, what? And then, so he got interviewed by a bunch of people, obviously. And I watched one of the interviews and he was talking about how he does almost all of his running. He doesn't wear super shoes. And all of his miles have like purpose. So he runs like, you know, a sub six minute pace for easy days. And he works at a running store and lives at home. He ran in college. I think he was like 68th at the NCAA meet once. But like no, no notes. Like you'd be like, yeah, this guy might end up being the fastest debut American marathoner of all time, which he is. Fourth fastest American on a record eligible course ever fastest American debut ever. And I'm just like, again, what? I'm thinking about like Conor Mans in Chicago running under 207 for the first time or maybe 206 for the first time, because maybe he ran, well, whatever, no, because in Boston, anyway, I'm just thinking about him living at full time, Pacers, fluids, nutrition. And this guy just zero Pacers, just tempoed this run. Yeah, a little switch too. I think he was supposed to do the Carmel marathon. And they had whether they canceled it early. So it's not even like the A plan. It was like, Oh, it's the pivot. Let's jump into this thing. Yeah. And he was he was 15 minutes ahead. They like they weren't expecting him. But nobody was ready. They were like, well, we have like 15 minutes before the leader comes in. They're like, Oh, my God, who's this guy? What is this? I think this makes me think about just what you said earlier. Like white American dude, and we're like, this is awesome. And then I'm like, if he was from another country, we would be like, what? Right? You know what I mean? And I think he seems like a great guy. I'm not doubting him. He's definitely going to be in the drug testing pool now. He wasn't before. And I'm not again, this is just my brain being an asshole. But it's just like, there's no indication this guy, he's never even run a half marathon. He ran a half marathon, but it was short. And it was equivalent to like 60, so 62 something. He said it was hilly. He wore super shoes for that. And he did it in the middle of like a 90 mile week or something like that. So he did it on tired legs. And so that told him like, Oh, once I rest and, you know, like, like, he was dialed in on what he thought he could do because he just ripped it from the start. But I'm just like, what's happening? You know, like, if some girl, I don't even know what the American debut record is. Is it Fiona O'Keefe from the Olympic Trials? 222. Okay. So if some woman just went out and ran 220 that I've never heard of, I would be like, what? Right? I mean, and, and, and again, this is where I'm like, the sport has changed. So I don't know. This is totally possible. You know, maybe in a past life, he's a 210 guy. And he responds super well to like, that's believable to me. So it's just, right. My mind is just like, I don't know what the fuck's going on anymore. I probably shouldn't be a commentator because I don't know what the fuck is going on. You do. You do know. And you know it better than just about everyone and you can articulate it. But I think the point is that the sports just very, very different. And I do, I think we all kind of get caught in the conversion game. Yeah. It's like, well, this is what that used to be. And this is what in like, you're trying to make sense of it. And I kind of stopped doing that because it's like, it doesn't matter. Yeah, good point. It was three, two, 16, 2016. Like, it's a different thing. And those records in my mind are one thing. And these are a totally different thing. But yeah, I mean, it's interesting that he doesn't use super shoes often when you have so many people being like, Oh, well, that's where this kind of gains coming from. I just listened to an interview with Charles Hicks. And it was like, yeah, like, you can do more mileage, you could do it healthy, you can do it faster, you can do it harder. So you're going to get better quicker. And then you have this completely opposite theory. And yeah, I, it's just fascinating. There are tons of different ways to do it. But I, all that to say is like, you got to get excited about the men's marathon trials. 100%. We talked about this at a dinner recent, I was like, who's going to make the men's team? And it was like, two people you've never even heard of. Yep. And what Ethan Shuley comes out of nowhere. This guy comes out of nowhere. And we're at what, at the halfway point? Yes. Charles. Yes. Like, it, it's going to keep happening. I feel like the men's race is going to be so exciting because there's so many guys that seem like about the same level. It's going to be so different than the 2024 trials. And I'm glad I'm not one of those men because it's going to be super intense and super deep. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think if you're an established guy right now, you're probably shitting your pants a little bit. And I think we've kind of had this where you're okay, I know what I need to be. I know where I need to get. I know what the workouts look like. I know how to build the fitness. And you kind of know, if you're established, you kind of know your edge. I can push this much and get a little bit better. I push this much and get a little bit better. But then you have this young group who just, it used to be like respect the distance. They're just like, no, we're going for it. They're just going, they're like, whatever. So it's just that mentality is so crazy different. And that's scary if you're one of the established people because you're like, oh, like all these things that I think have kind of been erased. And I have to shake, I got to get rid of that because it doesn't matter. I need to just match what the front's doing. Totally. You know, and if you have any, then Julie who goes to Japan and is used to going out in 61 minutes and that's what he wants to do with the trials, you have to be potentially comfortable responding. If the entire pack goes, I mean, unless you figure out how to close down and are comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like comfortable with that like mentality of like, I'm out of the team. I might not make it. But if I do, it's going to happen at mile 25. Yeah. Like that's, that's hard. Yeah. Yes. Cool. All right. Well, this has been a good pot. I think we should move on to a top five. But before that, I'm going to take this open mic to address something. Sorry, I didn't tell I was going to do this. Okay. But a book came out today called This Isn't About Running by Mary Kane. And I have a good relationship with Mary Kane. I think she should write her story. I think she should write her truth. I don't have a problem with the book. She tells the story as, as that age that she was at the time as you go through the book. And there's a lot of stuff in there that isn't necessarily true, not because she's lying, but because I think she was lied to. And I'm fine with all of that because that's her truth. But I do want to address one thing. And in it, she was told that my college coach hit on me. And that never happened. And I just want that on the record. And I know that I, she knows that it didn't happen. That's a manipulation she was told. But I want everyone to know from my mouth that that never happened. And in fact, this person is still very important in my life and my husband and I go to lunch with him on the regular. And trust me, if he had ever hit on me or had a crush on me or made me feel uncomfortable, my husband would have exed him out of his life. And so I'm not mad at Mary. I understand why she felt like that was important to show the manipulation she was under. I just wanted to take this moment and say, I just want to clear the air that never fucking happened. Love that. That's why we have a platform. And now we can move on to a top five. That's an interesting thing to address because it is like, as you write your story, it's like, this is what happened to me, but it doesn't necessarily pull in the perspectives or truth as truth. It's like, this is my truth, but it's like, this is actually what happened. So yeah, I think, and I think the wetmurs have done so much for US running, for distance running, for Colorado runners for, I mean, just like Olympic hopefuls along the way, they deserve that little nod and clarification. So good for you. Yeah, thank you. Okay, I'll say top five. Top, you want to start? Yeah, I will start. I'm going to start with, I think it's called Nostro's Coffee Shop because truly, if you're in London, look at this place, the process of the coffee, the pour overs, just a beautiful shop, great tasting coffee. And I try to drop a beverage in here every now and then, but that was like just a game changer. I mean, you get into it number two, and I'm going to look up the name to make sure I have it right, but I think it was Nostro's. Okay, I'm going to go with Alison Felix coming out of retirement to try to make the relay pool for the 2028 Olympic Games. I'm super excited about this. I really, really, really love Alison Felix. She actually wrote the little blurb on my cover of my book. I've respected her for years, the way she holds her house itself, the way she fights for stuff. And I'm so pumped to see her make this attempt, whether she makes it or not, I'm just super excited to follow along. So Alison Felix, going for another Olympic team. That's a great one. I was correct about the name of the coffee shop. Okay. Number three. And hopefully this doesn't steal from you, but I feel like I paid some dues. So I'm going to give a shout out to CB for her run. Pretty incredible. It's her fifth star. She ran great. And just she's just like one of the toughest people you ever meet. But also, like, I want her and Ryan to have a support group for having to run with me and like listen to me whilst running, because I'm sure I'm irritating, but they both managed it well and handled it well. Good job for her for fighting all day. Yes. This isn't going to be mine, but I just also want to say, she made my trip to London so awesome because I got to spend so much time with her and it was super meaningful. And I was so proud of her and both of you guys for going out there and tackling it. Okay. Here's number four and it's super random, but because it happened in Boston, but Chris McClung, our podcast editor and really the brains behind the operation, invited me to go to the church, the day beef that by the finish line, the day before the marathon where they bless the athletes that are going to be running the marathon. And it was such a cool experience. And it was just like really, really meaningful. And it was like so cool to see all these people so excited for these athletes. And it's definitely going to become now a new tradition for me to go. So thank you, Chris, for asking me to go to church with you. And it was an awesome experience. And I would encourage anybody to like go. It was so fun and really awesome. Church is gonna be packed next year. Next year. It was awesome. Like they must have did a prayer for a tailwind. They did a little bit. They talked about that during the church service. That's the shit. That's the tip. We're gonna have to do a BQ conversation because it's going to be wild. Like you have to I was thinking you have to look at those results and be like, Oh my God. Yeah, like, I think Ryan was talking about his time. It was his worst finish ever. It was like 900th or something. I think he ran like 240 something and finished 200 that's I don't know. It was crazy. He was like, What? Like what? What? It's just it blown away. But new sport, totally new sport, totally new game. And that's definitely an impact BQ. So we should revisit that one. People love our opinions on that. But that's how I'm gonna leave it. I had the last one. Oh, okay, this is this is even more random than yours. But deal with it. I'm gonna go with Devil Wears Prada too. I'm so excited to go watch that. I went and watched well on the flight over I watched my my flight movie, which is Devil Wears Prada in London. Ryan and I were trying to stay awake that first day. We bought tickets to the musical Devil Wears Prada. It was the epitome of craptastic, just so bad, but so entertaining. So disappointed with the costumes. I was like, this is like the apparels where you shine the clothings where you shine. And they were just like uniforms like stale uniforms. Little disappointing. The music and the storyline was pretty fun. They made some pivots and tweaks. Anyways, all that to say, Devil Wears Prada too is coming out soon. And the hype is real. All my entire Instagram is Miranda Priestly, Meryl Streep and Hathaway. It's going to be amazing. So I'm amped for that. It comes out Friday, right? I think so. I love it. Okay, cool. Well, I love that little side of the dead. With that, that's a wrap.