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If you haven't already, make sure to subscribe to our YouTube page to get up to date coverage on everything that's happening. All right, let's get into it. Stephen Miller is often described as the shadow president and other meaner names due to his significant influence over immigration policy and law enforcement. His ruthless approach, marked by aggressive tactics and a disregard for the truth, appear to be on the outs with Trump. The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Donald Trump is dissatisfied with Miller. He has told advisors that he has been uncomfortable with how far Miller has gone on some fronts, said that business officials are calling and complaining to him. And apparently he reassured Governor Kemp in Georgia that there wouldn't be any more raids at factories and farms. The New Republic is also reporting that there's been resistance to building prison camps that would allow for the detention of 80,000 more migrants across red parts of Virginia, reddish parts of New Jersey, Oklahoma City, Kansas City, Utah, and more. Aaron, is this just a liberal pipe dream that Trump is actually souring on Miller? No, I actually don't think it is. I think that he's seeing internal polling and he's realizing that maybe what Miller is doing isn't as popular as he once thought it was. But I will say this, he kind of gave the keys to the kingdom to Miller in a way, kind of gave him whatever he wants, gave him full control. It's very hard to unring that bell once you kind of go down this path. And to me, I mean, this is a bit conspiratorial, but it kind of seems like Miller's kind of running this presidency as it relates to immigration and not Trump. And I don't know how much power Trump really has here to say, OK, you know what, even if you cut off the head of the snake and like you remove Miller tomorrow, does that stop everything that's been happening across the country? Does that stop all the new ICE agents who are not properly trained? Does that stop this push from Nome and DHS? I think you need a radical overhaul of Homeland Security. You can't just say, OK, Miller's gone. This issue is going to be fixed. because I think there are really a lot of, and I say this a lot, between Trump one and Trump two, the big difference is that in Trump two, you have a lot of true believers. Like in Trump one, you have a lot of normie Republicans that they just installed and didn't really do what Trump wanted. In Trump two, they are like real, true believers. And based on everything Miller has said privately behind the scenes and on tape as like a teen growing up and stuff, I mean, it's some scary stuff. Yeah, that's definitely, if you see that video of him on the school bus, I think he was like 15 or 16 years old. Like, that's the stuff I think as a parent rings alarm bells, like when you see that your six-year-old killed a squirrel. I think every single serial killer has killed an animal in their youth. I totally agree with you. And I don't think that he would actually get pushed out. I think that Trump's ego does not allow for that. So anyone who is going to be moved would just be more sidelined, with the exception of Kristi Noem. Because I do think that that is hitting a bit of a fever pitch. And I think that Trump is also seeing, I don't want to say a totally warm reception, but that Tom Holman is a much more acceptable face to immigration enforcement. Certainly in Minnesota, Democrats are happy to work with him. Walls and Mayor Fry, you know, in conversation with him. And Holman has already scaled back 700 troops from Minneapolis, saying that more could come out as well. So I don't know if Kristi Noem makes it to that hearing, the public hearing she's supposed to do in early March and certainly not to the midterms. But I can't see a world in which Stephen Miller is ever out of the White House. He might just, you know, be in the corner, I guess. I could see there being a situation where I don't think Susie Wiles lasts all four years. I don't think any chief of staff. Just because she wants to go home and make money and be with her grandkids. Correct. Yeah. No chief lasts four years. So I think she will leave after the midterms, if I had to guess, especially if they lose pretty badly. And where I could see Miller leaving is if Trump doesn't elevate him to chief, right? Like if he just puts in someone else and says, you know, you're going to stay deputy chief, then I could see Miller kind of leaving in a sort of post midterm shakeout and then go work as J.D. Vance's chief policy advisor on his presidential. I don't I don't know, like something like that. But I do want to get your thoughts. Like you talk about Noam leaving and I agree. I think she's gone. And I think my theory on this is that they're just giving Glenn Youngkin a few months to relax post-governorship to install him as DHS secretary. That's what I think is happening here. That's interesting because I've been down the rabbit hole of it'll be DeSantis. I had not seen the Youngkin rumors. And Trump has made a few comments recently that are pretty nice about Meatball Ron, his alter ego from election time. And I thought that that was a pretty reasonable pick. I mean, people in Florida really like DeSantis. There are a lot of liberals that moved to Florida during COVID specifically because they thought that these policies were better. I have friends that are there who like it. They don't like open carry at Publix. But in general, they're pretty happy. And now it's, you know, Democrats have been doing better. So it's a bit more of a mixed bag. But that's what I have been hearing. Where are you seeing this Youngkin stuff? I'm interested in that. I've been seeing it all over the Internet. And I actually agree with it. Am I not on the Internet? Yeah. I'll send it to you. My algorithm is Floridian, not Virginian. It's radically different, I think. But no, I think Glenn Young, I can't imagine he's going to let the fox in the henhouse with DeSantis. Like Trump, he may be buddy-buddy with DeSantis now and like being nicer to him, but he has never forgotten the 2024 election. Like Glenn Young didn't run against Trump. Glenn Young has kissed up to Trump, has never said one thing bad about Trump. So I think that this is a very different situation. I can't imagine Trump nominating DeSantis to lead DHS. And also, for the record, those committee hearings are going to be bombshell because if I'm a senator, I want to know about Alligator Alcatraz. I mean, the Human Rights Watch report coming out of Alligator Alcatraz, the Amnesty International report, I mean, it's pretty horrific what happened there and in a lot of ways, modern day torture. And he's going to have to answer for that if he's nominated. Totally. I think that's absolutely correct. There'll be a lot of questions also on emergency weather management, which in Florida, he deals with this all the time. That was part of also the case for him that he works with FEMA probably more than any other governor at this point, which is under Kristi Noem's purview, even though you probably wouldn notice that by the way that she struts around and poses Do you think that Holman scaling back the 700 ICE agents is actually a big deal Or it like there were 3 there and now there are 2 and there were, I just saw actually there were 150 ICE agents before this search started. So we're still at a massive increase. I think that decision, just that decision is not a big deal. I think the overall change in tone and narrative that Holman has brought, and I think you were partially right on this last week, and I... Partially. A hundred percent. I disagreed with you. I do think Homan has brought a sense of kind of more toned-down rhetoric, a sense of more kind of normal scenery. Stability. Yeah, more stability. Now, I disagree that this is stable and normal to the extent that, like, this is not normal. He is a stable figure. Right. He doesn't feel like a loose cannon where he's going to show up tomorrow wearing, like, an SS coat and say they're all domestic terrorists. And make no mistake, when I say that this is normal, this is normal as in, like, this is what Trump has parroted for a year now. This is nothing like crazy and above what we've seen over the past year. It's still not normal because Minnesota residents are still living in fear and ice raids are still happening. I mean, it's really bad what's happening on the ground still to this day. I think that the removal of the 700 forces, in my opinion, is kind of like, okay, we're gonna wave the white flag just a little bit. But at the same time, people do forget, and you mentioned, there are 3,000 of them. The entire Minneapolis Police Department is 600, right? So they still have more than triple the amount of officers that local police officers have on the ground. And so I wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the month you'll have a almost full drawdown, though. That's kind of where I'm kind of getting at is like I think that this is like the beginning of like, OK, we're going to slowly pull back. We're going to take Minneapolis, Minnesota out of the news. We're not going to talk about it. But then you never know what this president who undermines his own people all the time, like last night on NBC News saying that, oh, it's just two Americans who died, just two Americans who were killed. Right. Like completely minimizing the murders. So we'll see what happens. I don't know. And then he went on to talk about the water tanks. And you see Tom Yamas' face. He was like, what in fresh hell is this? But talking about the drawdown, and you can see the writing on the wall that they're trying to post big wins. They're saying that they've gotten 4,000 criminals. Yeah. And so they want to be able to everyone wants to claim victory all the time. And I am willing for the sake of peace to kind of give some victory that I don't think is legitimate. Obviously, people are going to have to go through and see who it is that they have actually arrested because odds are that they are not all bad hombres that have been convicted of crimes or even necessarily are accused of crimes. Oh, definitely. But it was interesting to me. So J.D. Vance was interviewed yesterday as well, was asked straight up. Have you apologized? Did you plan to apologize to the family of Alex Breddy? For what? And I don't want to say that I'm surprised, but it does feel like the official line of the administration is to shift away from that kind of rhetoric. And they do know that it is a big problem and something that is stuck in the national consciousness. So do you think, well, I guess, were you surprised? And do you think it's a mistake for Vance? Oh, I think it's a huge mistake for Vance. But I also think like, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm alone feeling this. I think over the past several months, Vance has really been sidelined to kind of like this VP who doesn't really have much power and has kind of trotted out to give these like random economic speeches across the country. And then he kind of hurts himself whenever he speaks, like whether his tweets about calling Freddie an assassin or now this. I mean, I really think Trump favors Rubio. I think Trump wants Rubio as the nominee in 28. It really seems like Vance is being sidelined. And I think the White House understands that every time Vance opens his mouth, it doesn't actually help their message. At least with Trump, it's like, you know, it's going to be chaos and like something he says today will be very different from tomorrow. Whenever Vance speaks, it kind of scares me. I don't know how to like. Well, he has no likability. Yeah. That's the thing. Like, he seems, even when he is making a joke or playing into jokes like the meme wars or whatever, it feels like not quite Stephen Miller-ish. Yeah. But it feels like there isn't a lightness in him. Yeah. At all. No, not at all. And that he can be guided in any direction. Like, if you can be hillbilly elegy and now you can be this, you like nothing is scarier than someone with no ideology and a lust for power at that level. And that's what you have here. I mean, he called Trump Hitler 10 years ago and now he's his VP, right? Yeah. Should have just posted the W and stuck with it. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break. Stay with us. Welcome back. The other major story this week is the fallout from the Epstein files dump. Top Democrats, including Congressman Robert Garcia, are suggesting they might want to interview Trump if they regain control of the House. I talked with Scott earlier this week about how disgusting the whole situation is. We talked about it for like 45 minutes. I almost cried. I feel like it is so overwhelming what's going on and the lack of interest by most people. And part of that is like impossible to keep up. But I've been very disappointed even in mainstream outlets that had been doing a good job on it. It feels like they've kind of hit a wall and maybe that's three million documents at once. But it does feel like it's kind of receded from center stage in the way that it had been, which is just disappointing. I wanted to add, though, Brad Karp pushed out at the top of Paul Weiss. I'm not sure still what's going to happen with Peter Attia, who is the CBS medical contributor, who was in there. But those were just two points that we had touched on in our previous conversation. So what are you feeling? And, I mean, you're deep in this. You stay up all night reading them. You talk to the survivors all the time. The dam is breaking. It really is. I mean, I think that, yes, I agree with you that I think the media has done actually a pretty shitty job in covering the Epstein files. And even like today, like you look at any headline or like look up CNN.com, NBC News, whatever, you're not you may not even see the Epstein files as a top story anymore. Right. So like they have kind of moved on from it. But I really do think this is a different moment. Really? Yeah, I do. Because Brad Karp stepping down as one of those powerful lawyers, one of those powerful law firms. That's a big deal. Keir Starmer, the UK prime minister, coming out and addressing the nation and publicly apologizing on behalf of his government for not properly vetting Peter Mendelsohn. That's a big deal. the Clintons calling Comer's bluff and saying we're going to testify and we're going to do it publicly. That's a big deal. Get the popcorn. Right. I love that. I mean, James Comer is not built for that. He wasn't built for the kindergarten moments with the Hunter Biden stuff. He is not built for going up against the Clintons. Do you think he'll actually go for it? Because I feel like he's going to retreat and say he has to. He has to go for it. He has to go for it. He's I was just saying it's too sensitive. It has to be a private hearing. No, he has to go for it. I can't. I can't. He can't walk this. You don't think he has one advisor who's going to tell him you're going to look like an effing idiot. For sure. If you try to intellectually box with the Clintons. For sure. And they're going to burn it down. I mean, they are going to name every name. A hundred percent. And I want this to happen. I cannot imagine. I can't imagine he bows down here. I feel like he is as Jared Moskowitz would say that he you know doing something in his pants in fear But in any event I mean listen I think that like the tide really is shifting with these files And I will say also like I think a lot of people want to get Trump, right? Like that's the prevailing narrative. They're like, I just want to see Trump in the files. I want to connect the dots. I want Trump to go down. But there have been some actually pretty revealing documents that have actually vindicated a lot of survivors. Like, remember that, and if people don't know, there's that famous photo from 2001 with Andrew, formerly known as Prince Andrew, Ghislaine Maxwell, and Virginia Giuffre. And Andrew, for the longest time, claimed that that photo was fake, that he was at a, quote, pizza restaurant at the time that was taken, never met Virginia that night. Well, last night, we found a document where Ghislaine Maxwell admitted that photo was real privately, right? So, like, completely vindicated Virginia after speaking out for decades and completely undermined what Andrew Maxwell what I've been saying. So these stories are really big, in my opinion, and bombshell developments. But unfortunately, they're not going to be spread a ton because they're not Trump indicted, right? So I think people need to remember that this is more than just about one man and just more than just about Trump. And we really need to keep the survivors kind of centered here. I absolutely agree with you. I don't think that there's a world in which this actually ends up affecting Trump besides headaches for him and the continual PR swirl, which I know really frustrates him. But I don't know what the damn breaking on this could be when I look at the level of coverage. And it's not just in the UK. There are other countries where people have resigned. It was where else? Slovakia, I think. Slovakia, national security advisor. Exactly. So I get that other people are behaving like normal human beings about this and what even in an association with someone as depraved as Jeffrey Epstein means for the futures of their organizations or a government. But I just maybe I'm just too down on the country and like what we're capable of. But I just I don't know when you say like the dam is breaking, like we're going to have all of this information. But I want to read this to you because it really struck a chord with me. My friend texted it to me and he said this tweet. Reality is such nightmare fuel that if you try to talk about current events with someone who is blissfully uninformed, It is quite literally impossible not to sound delusional, conspiracy-pilled, and wildly schizophrenic. And that's totally how I feel. Like, you can't—how would you even sum up this moment as it relates to the Epstein files to someone that, you know, who'd been taking a nap for a year? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't have an answer for you, honestly. I don't. But when I say the dam is breaking, it comes at a consequential time. In my opinion, like, the files were released. you now have Pam Bondi testifying on February 11th in less than a week, right? So that's going to be the next big moment. And I think the big thing here is that the public and the media and anyone watching just needs to keep the top of mind. Because I think what the Trump administration had working in their advantage in December when the first Trump were released was the fact that it was Christmas and New Year's. And then people just completely forgot about it. And then he abducted Maduro. And we moved on from that. Here, it's very different. And so you have February 11th, the Bondi hearing. I think you keep it top of mind. And then you have State of the Union on the 24th, I believe. And I think that if I'm someone on Capitol Hill, I'm making the State of the Union about the Epstein files. I would encourage members of Congress to interrupt the president. I'm sure survivors will come as guests. Well, not just survivors as guests. I want members of Congress interrupting that speech and yelling out the Epstein files. I want it top of mind. If he's not going to talk about it, people need to demand that he talks about it. So. All right. Well, we'll be watching that. And I don't know. I don't even know what kind of mayhem that would be. I mean, he'll get so angry, which I'm not against. I wanted to ask you about the SAVE Act. So it's a big plot line. GOP has a big push for this. I have been very hot and bothered about this. Talked about it on Wednesday on the 5, how frustrated I am that no one seems to know what the SAVE Act actually is, that it's not a voter ID bill, that it's a voter registration bill. that would demand that people had proof of citizenship. So that's your birth certificate or your passport. The number of categories of people who would not have those documents are almost too many to enumerate. But I pointed out on air in particular that this could hurt Republicans who, A, think that they're so good with younger voters now, who definitely are not showing up at college with their birth certificates if their parents even have it, and probably don't have a passport. Nearly 50 percent of Americans don't. Also women who have changed their names because they're good wives, right? And have taken on their husbands' names. Also, people were pointing out in the comments on Instagram, like, people have been adopted, gone through the foster care system, and they're just not going to have a birth certificate. What do you think about the GOP's push for the SAVE Act? I think that as someone far smarter than me said on the five yesterday that this is not a voter ID act. This is a voter registration bill, right? It's exactly what you said. I mean, this is, to me, an attempt by those in Congress to undermine upcoming elections. So as part of it, just for the audience, it would also essentially nationalize the elections because they would have access to voter rolls from all the states, which even conservative states have said, we don't want you to, especially based on what Doge did. I think it's unconstitutional. I actually think that part of it will kind of be thrown out pretty quickly by the courts, which will have to, I mean, I don't think this bill will ever become law as it's currently written, is kind of what I'm saying. I do think, though, that this push for the SAVE Act is just an effort to make it harder for certain people to vote. And I think it's part of a whole, a whole being an attempt by the administration to make it harder to vote, whether that's deploying National Guard or now Steve Bannon is saying ICE agents at polls, Trump attacking the veracity of elections, Tulsi Gabbard. spending her holidays in Puerto Rico, looking at voter rolls there. It's all kind of this major push to undermine American confidence in elections. And that to me is very dangerous, right? Because like, I could totally see Democrats sweeping the House and potentially even now the Senate in 2026. And then the day after Trump comes out and says, no, it was fake. Yeah. Can't verify it. Right. And then what happens then? Like, I don't know what the country looks like. No, I don't either. It's nightmare fuel stuff and even more frustrating that people don't seem to know what's going on. I guess this is thematically leading off of the Epstein files. I think the average person would like to know about these efforts to undermine elections and what's in this bill in the SAVE Act. And I agree with you, it probably doesn't get through in this format. There will also be a lot of resistance to undoing universal mail-in voting. States like Utah, that goes red all the time, use mail-in voting. Nevada, which Trump picked up in 2024, mail-in voting. So there'll be pushback on that. But I have been frustrated and rage texting people in our party, or I should say more in my party I mean you a left guy but I more you know put a donkey on me saying like Democrats need to own this issue better like A do better on the education of what is in the SAVE Act but then also speak to the fact that over 80 percent of Americans do think that you should show some form of voter ID when you go to the polls. And, you know, very important and influential Democrats like Jim Clyburn has said, we're not against the idea of showing some form of voter ID. It just can't be disproportionately unfortunately burdensome. Do you think Dems should lean into this issue more or just go hard against the SAVE Act and move on? Well, I think if you're going to lean into it, they should also lean into the fact that it's very hard for a lot of people to even get an ID, right? Like in many communities across the country, your local DMV is not a walk down the street. Yeah, but if they took a state ID, if they accepted a tribal ID, if they accepted a student ID in some case. Like, I'm talking about a wide breadth of an electric bill, you know, like. To me, it's like, it's fine. It's very, if the scope of it is very large, I think it's totally fine. I think most Americans would agree that showing some form of identification is not a problem. To me, it's like, well, okay, make it easier to obtain certain identification that you're going to require. And make it a federal holiday and automatic voter registration. Exactly. It's got to be accompanied by other things. So I think that, like, I'm totally fine with them going hard against the SAVE Act. Why? Because I really don't think the SAVE Act will ever become law. Yeah. I don't think you'll get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate on this. You just won't. So I don't, it's kind of just like this bill in the House that exists, but you know what else exists in the House? Authorization for Trump to rename Greenland, right? Like, so there are all these bills in the House that exist that never become law, and I think this will be one of them. Kayleigh McEnany scared me. She said that they would nuke the filibuster for this one, apparently if they do that all gloves are off oh yeah i can't even imagine what republicans unchained look like um did you see kamala hq lives i did what are what are your thoughts so kamala hq accounts which were used through the election suddenly alive uh late wednesday night thursday morning announcement kamala with a video there that it's going to be a gen z content machine. What do you think she's trying to accomplish here? And how disappointed were you with what it actually was? So here's this is me thinking, like, do I do I like make some headlines with my response here or do I just very like politically correct and neutral and juice it? Just I mean, I don't know. To me, part of this seems like Kamala's trying to compete with Gavin Newsom on Twitter. Just a little bit. A little bit. Yeah. That's kind of what it seems like, listen, I am totally in favor of the vice president coming out and having a platform and using that platform. I think this should have happened a year ago. I mean, like, good. Like, use this platform. It's a large platform. Attack Republicans. Do your thing. Uplift candidates. Good. All of that is a good thing. So, like, I'm not against any of it. I just think that, like, maybe, I mean, a lot of people thought that this was, like, her announcing a run for governor potentially or something. And, like, they did a good job hyping it up. So, I mean, listen, like, I'm not opposed to any of it. I think like, OK, good. Like, if you're going to use this for good, great. But if it really is only going to be like six, seven memes, then maybe that's not worth it. Right. So we'll see. I mean, I waiting with bated breath. Let's see what happens. You mentioned that people were saying, oh, maybe she's announcing her run for governor. I saw the Polymarket odds were 30% that she announced that she's running for president by July. Yeah. And Polymarket is getting in on the kind of online fun, at least. So they have this free grocery store pop-up situation in New York City. It's only going to be open for five days, starting on February 12th. Mom Donnie has responded about it. What do you make of these kind of like viral marketing stunts I guess, playing into Mom Donnie's, because like they're taking a shot at Mom Donnie, right? I actually think they're helping him, actually, because I think like any blowback this gets, any negative coverage this gets, right? It'll be like, okay, it's a polymarket company where I think Don Jr. or whatever, like Republicans are like on the board of, right? That's just like doing something stupid in New York City. But if it works, Mom Donnie would just be like, okay, let's do it again. Just keep doing it. Right? Thank you. He's like, you guys look like idiots. Like, I was out here wearing my custom jacket that says no problem, too small, or something. Give away some food. I mean, like, okay. You know how mad I am about the poor snow collection situation. Retweet. Yeah, so bad. That is what I'm raging about this week because my car is still iced in. Still? More than a week later. Well, I mean, we're skipping ahead, but did I tell you that my husband went out and bought shovels and a spade and shoveled the corners, every corner that we have to take with a stroller to get to school because he heard on the podcast last week, that's how he's like, we don't talk. Like you just like complained to Aaron about the stroller condition. So we had a clear walkway because I married a good man. But mom Donnie did not clear that path for me. If he wanted to, he would. Well, he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to come to my podcast or make it easier for me to walk my kids to school. I'm just kidding. Please come on. We would love to have you. Okay. Before we wrap up, Super Bowl this weekend, Bad Bunny Show, Kid Rock Show. Which one are you watching? I'm just kidding. I'm watching the Super Bowl. Do you think that there's going to be any traction to the alternate one? Because I just, I feel like Benny Johnson isn't even going to actually be, oh, it's going to be like when people say I was at Melania and it was packed. Yeah. People were standing and I guess it was true. David, our producer, told me that he went even in Hollywood and it was crowded on opening day. Yeah. I mean, I have so many thoughts about the Melania documentary, but I'm watching the Bad Bunny halftime show. I'm not watching this alternative. I don't want to listen to Kid Rock respectfully. Like no one does. I don't care if he's a Republican or a Democrat. Like, I just don't want to listen to him. And that's kind of it. Okay. Then what are your Melania thoughts? My Melania thoughts? Yeah. I think that this idea that it's like this best-selling documentary is kind of a misnomer because they're comparing it to other documentaries that haven't had $75 million to pump it up and to promote it and all these conservative influencers to promote it. It should be compared, in my opinion, to box office numbers for movies rather than documentaries, in which case it would flop. So that's kind of where I'm at. All right. I'm good with it. And Brett Ratner's in the Epstein Files. Totally. But it was his ex-fiance, apparently, in the picture. I don't know anything about it. He was asked about it. They're not together anymore. He didn't end up marrying her. But yes, he's in the Epstein Files. We could talk about all his other allegations against him. Oh, no, no, no. Totally. I'm just, yeah. I definitely, Melania did not get, like, pick of the litter. Okay. You're still raging about snow. Still raging about snow. Your car, still in there. What should we calm down about? Yeah, the fact that I like pineapple pizza. I got a lot of shit for that. No, I get it. Calm down about it. Ham and pineapple or just pineapple? I'm Jewish. Oh, I mean, so am I, but I'm a pork eating Jew. Yeah, I don't eat pork, but yeah. Yeah. All right. Anyway, great to see you. You too.
