Ziwe is a Delight

This is a headgum podcast. To be a true individual, I'm not claiming that I am one. I just think that we're losing that like the sense of the weirdos and the freaks and the you know, I think it's kind of getting like beaten out of the broader culture. It's literally the book Divergent, which I haven't read. Nor have I. So, let's talk about it. Do you have the fear that I have about me doing your show again that's like maybe we had lightning in a bottle and it won't hit? I know not that I won't show up the way that I need to for the second one. I think there are people who I would not talk to again, but you are not one of those people. It's like Adam Palli, right? Adam Palli is someone who can you whatever he delivers, it's new and weird and funny. You are the same way. Yeah. Yeah. I love Adam. He's really so sweet. He's really funny. You're really funny. You like him. You remind me of him. He really one time we were at a party at I don't know, it's like Chateau Marmon or something. Okay. It's a place that I have been twice and shouldn't have been in the first place. And he was like, Hey man, did you drive? And I was like, Yeah, I brought my car. And he was like, Oh nice. Can you drop me at a sushi place after this? Shut up. And I laughed because I was like, Oh, he's kidding. And then he was like, No, I need a ride to the sushi place. And then I did drop him at a sushi place. And he's just like, Thanks for nice meeting you. No, we knew each other. He was like, he was like, Thanks man. Have a good night. And I was like, All right, Adam, see you around. I guess insane. That tracks. That is so funny. That's really, really wild. He did match games the day after I shot mine in Montreal. And so it was just nice to like cross paths. What is match games? Match games. Oh, it's a really important show. That's from ninth, like the fifties or sixties. And Marty Martin Short is hosting it now. It's like a game show on ABC. Yeah. And I did it with Selena Gomez and Cara Delavine. And yeah. And so it just cycles in a bunch of comedians, slides them all to Montreal. And it was just a fun time. I haven't been asked. You haven't been asked yet. I haven't been asked. But you know, I have the maddest touch. Yeah. Put it on there. Tell them, actually don't tell them. I don't do panel shows. I don't do it. I don't do it. I had that was my first one ever, but I would do it again. Really? Yeah. I can't do them. I'm gonna get asked. I feel like I'm competing. I feel like I'm in like a sack race. Well, I was competitive. And I didn't know how to play until the second game. So my first showing was pathetic, but hopefully the second showing isn't. Has they have these aired yet yours? Yeah. One aired like three weeks ago, two weeks ago. Well, okay. I need to tap in. Yeah. I need to get up on my Z-Way lore. Oh, please don't. No. You don't want me to? No. Why do you feel, okay, I have a question for you. Doing an interview like this where we're just being ourselves. Yes, just being. Do you prefer this or do you prefer, also do you view your show as being a character? Do you view that as being different than? Yes. Yes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. I feel that it is, but I don't know how much you want to talk about that. Yes. I don't want to give away my trade secrets. But do you think that do you prefer this or that? I don't like to do podcasts at all. This is my first podcast since 2023, maybe. Whoa. Yeah, I really say no, but I have respect for you. And I want you to come back and do another interview. And so I know that I have to do the work and show up. Oh my God. So here I am. That sucks. I'm so sorry that you have to do this. It's okay. I don't have to do anything. What was that you really don't? What was the 2023, what made you stop doing podcasts? Was there a particular experience or were you just like, you know what, I'm Z-way and I'm good. I don't think podcasts by and large are very good. I agree. So it's just a taste thing. I think that they need to be edited. Obviously, I have like a really strong POV. So I don't find that in a lot of podcasts and the work is just like two people in front of a camera and it's like, this is our new talk show. And I have such a steam for the talk show format that I just, it's not something I'm inclined to do. What's your favorite talk show of all time? I can't even say it because I go through phases. Like I went through a big Barbara Walters phase. Obviously she's talked like news. But so I was watching her top 10 interviews, including the one where she like makes Miss Lewinsky cry, which was hard to watch. And then I, obviously Wendy Williams is just like laugh out loud. It's unbelievable. Funny. It's offensive. And imagine being the celebrity in that place. Like I would feel so bad. I would be so afraid to attend that show and be a guest. But man, oh man, those clips are sticky. She's the blueprint. I saw your episode with Marie recently. Yeah, that was really sweet. I love Marie. She's really funny. I tried to get her to do an interview, but then she was also in Canada actually. Yeah, people are shooting in Canada. I know. I'm not going to film. Well, everyone wants to skirt unions. So we're going to have to film everything now in Canada and London, which is awesome. I love that we can't film things in here anymore because the companies don't want to pay the unions. That's awesome. But you don't want me to say that on camera. I don't really, I don't have an opinion. I shoot in America. I shoot in New York City, baby. We shoot in America. Hey, these shows are American made, baby. Made in the USA. Me also not getting my camera. Hello, it's there. Hello, it's there. Wait, what was I going to ask you? Oh, okay. I saw I came to your live show that you did. Oh, yes. With Alex English's live show. Yes. Yes. And you were so fabulous on it and you talked about your wiki feet score. Yes, my wiki feet score. How is it going? What's the journey? Has there been any improvement that you're proud of? Yes, I'm actually in the top percentile. I have like 4.58 wiki feet. I think that's exact. So they're going well. I don't like feet, but I've just learned to not have shame around my feet as much as I did before, but I still do. How'd you get the score up? Did people really go to the bathroom? I told people. I literally went around the country and around the globe, like to Europe and was like, vote for my wiki feet. Please, please, please. And people did. They rocked the vote. And so I'm up, up, up. I am up, up, up. Yeah. They rocked the vote. They went to the ballot box and they made their fucking voices heard. Exactly. And so now I'm 4.5, which is, I think, great feet, excellent feet, amazing feet. Someone check me on that. I don't think I'm even on there. Yeah, they're not a lot of men, but Don Lemon is. They're not talking about me. Don Lemon is? I don't think he is. How's his rating? I don't remember. I think it's probably good. But like a lot of the anchors are, the male anchors are because I talk, I talk about wiki feet more than I should. But yeah, I'm on it. How did you start doing Bait It? This was in 2016. It was the day after Hillary famously lost. And I just shot an interview series. And I just think it's really funny to make people uncomfortable. And so that was the brainchild behind that. It is really funny the way that people squirm on your show. Well, also, I think it has to do with, well, let me not spill too much tea. I think we live in an era of surveillance. And as a result, people are hyper conscious of the self that moves through public spaces. And I find that to be interesting. Yeah. The day after the election, you what just called up some friends and were like, I want to do this show today. Let's do it. No, I was planning on shooting like a web series that day, regardless. But I was inspired to kind of shift the idea to be more incendiary, I guess. Yeah. How was the process for you of moving from you were doing that show online and then on, you were doing a lot of interviews on Instagram Live. Yeah. So it started on YouTube. Yeah. And then it changes, it reiterates and becomes an Instagram Live show during the pandemic when we were all going live. And then it became a television show. And then it became a YouTube show again. Yeah. How was that transition to, because I'm very inspired by the fact that you took it from what it was on your own to a network and then kept it going afterwards. And it seems to me like it's going really well post network. Oh, wow. Thank you. How has that transition been through all the different phases? What's been difficult about it or interesting? I think every single, this is something I think I'll be doing until I die, honestly. And so I think every single iteration you just learn from the medium what sticks, what doesn't stick, what's functional, what it changes and grows and evolves. So like it started off with really baiting people. And obviously the interview with Jigsman soon, which is the latest, doesn't feel as much in that space. Even though the questions themselves are sort of wild and inappropriate. So yeah, I'm just always kind of trying to, with each guest even, I think the show evolves. Like I thought our interview was sort of like this watershed moment after I'd done a couple criminals who have been, you know, arrested and are serving time. And your interview was so different than that, but still in the same like accusatory manner. I don't know. Yeah. I work through my process with each guest until I find my final form. It does really feel that you are treating each guest as their own individual thing. Yes. It feels that you're approaching it in a very specific way every time and you're not asking. I'm glad it's not the same questions across the board and just seeing how people react to it differently. I appreciate the individualized effort. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, I never want to get stale or dusty. Yeah. And you're dating in New York right now, by the way. I've got so many things in my mind to ask you about. You do? Yeah, I'm dating. I'm dating in New York City, but not really. I'm open to dates. People really don't approach me with the sexual energy, even though I think that I exude. Yeah. Exude horny. I've always said that about you. Thank you. Z-Way exudes horny. I exude horny. And so people never ask me on dates, but I'm going on a date tomorrow, which I'm excited about. Yeah. I guess I went on a date yesterday, but I don't like to think about it. Are you on the apps? No. Yeah, you're too chic for that, huh? I go on and off, Raya, depending on how depressed I am, but I haven't had any success. Raya, to me, I think jail, everyone who made it. I think jail, everyone who continues to work on it. Yeah. I think Raya is one of the most depressing places I've ever been. It's not cool, but I hear it's good for gay men. I'm sure that it is. Everywhere is good for gay men, because gay men are getting active. Yeah. Gay men, well, you know, gay men find sex in bathrooms. I know. At the airport, it's crazy to me. Yeah. Gay men are fucking at the airport in a big way. That's wild. Yeah. I would never feel horny after TSA. Yeah, they do. Maybe even it's part of it. I mean, really, I almost, I got this close to fucking a TSA agent. Wait, are you joking? One said in the airport, yeah. Are you joking? No, he went through the line and then he messaged me on Grindr. It was like, you just came through my line, you're so cute. And I was like, okay, I'm in the Delta Lounge. And he was like, he was like, yeah, I have to work. Because it's like a national security risk. Yeah. And then he was like, wait, he was like, I get off in like an hour. Is your flight gone before then? I was like, yeah, I'll be boarded. And he was like, ah, next time. And I was like, all right. But I was down. I was like, if you want to come to it, if you can get yourself into the Delta Lounge. Yeah, but I don't know. And it's just, you and a man in like yellow vest in the Duttle Lounge. What have you? In the bathroom. The doors go all the way to the floor. And the bathroom. I would have had sex in there, no problem. Well, I love a story and I like to have a good time and I like to be myself and be free. And in any space that can happen, sometimes that happens in the Delta. You know, really what the Delta Lounge bathroom is for is going to the bathroom right before your flight. Oh. You have to go to the bathroom right before your flight. Yes. Pea poop, wash your hands, brush your teeth. Okay. Do whatever you need to do. I think I know what you meant when you- Do whatever you need to do in there, y'all. Including. Including up to peeing, pooping, brushing your teeth. Getting active with a TSA agent. Getting active with a TSA agent. From Grider. Okay, well, you're really putting me on game right now. Yeah. Yeah. Gay guys, yeah, but that's the thing. You can't ever judge the effectiveness or the goodness of a thing by whether or not gay men can use it to get laid. I know, but do y'all have so much fun? We do have fun. I know. It is fun to be a gay guy. I know. But then in many ways it's not, is it? Who are you talking to? Me? See, wait, you know enough gay guys. We've talked about this before. You know enough gay guys to sound off on this, I feel. I feel like you could, but I do feel for straight people. Oh, you do. Straight people are going through a lot over there. Yeah, I mean, I think we're at a time where it's like super straight. Be as straight as possible. Like, wear your darker jeans. Right? Yeah. I guess. I don't know. It's really hard. We live in an echo chamber, so it's like fabulous. Like, it's like literally free to be me. And then you go anywhere out of the, wherever you are. And it's like hyper authoritarian and like really. I do feel that. Yeah. So it's hard for me to say beyond my community. I don't see, I went to a Walmart in Missouri recently and I saw no seen kids. I saw no kids with big swoopy black hair, weird makeup, odd piercings. And I thought in a suburb of Kansas City in Missouri, this used to be, those kids used to run this fucking place. I know, but they changed the living wage. They, exactly. Correct. They can't get on that damn bus, you know. The seen kids have been priced out. Yeah. And then, yeah, it's weird. I do think the like weird individual, somebody was talking about this reason. I don't remember if it was like in a video or in an, I don't remember how I consumed it. But the idea that like identity is flattening because of the internet. I agree. I will speak on it. I mean, I think that there are people who would not know culture unless it was served to them in an algorithm. Yeah. And as a result, we are watching people dress alike and sound alike. Like we're even losing like regional like dialect. It's now the internet voice, Gen Z voice, which is like black voice from like the hood like 20 years ago. Yeah. People saying dead ass. And they're like Gen Z, it's like, no, that's always been around. But I find that everyone is, we're buying the same things and watching the same movies and having the same cultural references. So it's hard to find new and fresh and different and exciting. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone's dressing. Yeah. They see a trend. They're like, oh, this is what everyone's wearing right now on TikTok. Yeah. And then they're doing that all across the country. There used to be a big joke in the middle of the country that like, if you went to a hip coffee shop in Cincinnati, it's whatever was happening in Williamsburg seven years prior. Yeah. You know, or whatever was happening in the East Village seven years prior. That was the big joke is that it took time for those things to travel over. And now it's actually this flatter, weirder thing where everything is equally mediocre all at the same time. And so you are, you're losing regional accents. You're losing regional like ways of dressing and things. And it is really interesting to watch like, to be a true individual. I'm not claiming that I am one. I just think that we're losing that like the sense of the weirdos and the freaks. And you know, I think it's kind of getting like beaten out of the broader culture. It's literally the book Divergent, which I haven't read. Nor have I. So let's talk about it. That's podcasting, by the way. I haven't read this book. Neither have I. What's discussed? T-girl. It's T. What happens in Divergent that you know of? It's bad to be Divergent. I know what the word means. I've been saying this. Yeah. So I imagine that's like the internet. Well, you shouldn't diverge. That's the lesson of Divergent. Exactly. And if you do, But then they win the Divergent people win. When you diverge? Yeah. Fuck. But maybe it's like the giver. No, that's just about seeing color. Yeah. What's the giving tree? That's what I'm thinking of. That's Dr. Seuss. Nice. And the tree of course gives. Right? Right. I'm like, have I ever read a book by the way? Yes. Have you read Harry Potter? I never read the books. I never read the books either. I wasn't allowed. Heroes. I grew up in the church. Did you? Heroes, yes. Well, kind of. I grew up in a very religious community. Yes. Missouri. Missouri. But my mom was, my mom's always been like, we're Christian, but that just means to be nice to people and we don't have to be crazy about it. So she was like the cool version of it. Sheik. Yeah, it was pretty sheik. Massachusetts. Right. Yeah. And it was not, it was like, you will go to hell. Yeah, not chill. No, not chill at all. No. What part of Massachusetts? Like Boston, North of Boston. I just wondered if you were close to Taylor Garand. Did you see her on TV as a kid? Yeah, of course. In cars. In cars. Of course, I saw her. Yeah, I remember seeing her. Zoom boom-a-foo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she was a star. I know her from the New York comedy scene. And so we, to connect it over there. Yeah. Yeah, she was that girl. It was like the black girl on Zoom boom-a-foo. Which even though PBS is canceled. Is it? It's not canceled, like canceled culture. It's canceled like they defunded it. Like they defunded it. And like offices are closing. I know. Public radio is going to a really tough spot. I'm really worried. I donated to NPR. I know. It's really tough right now. But you know what? This is what I say. Say lovey. Oh. What am I supposed to say? Say lovey. And what does that mean in this context? In this context, it means I can't fund public radio. Oh, personally. I can send my little donation and continue listening. Yeah. But like, yikes. It's the bedrock of democracy. Public radio is so important. I know. Let's go. Let's move on. What was that sound? There's a weird sound in the space. Be-up, boop-bop, beep-bop, boop-bop. Don't cut this by the way. Leave this in. Be-bop, boop-bop. Something's happening with the door and chances going out to find it. Anyway. Boop-bop, boop-bop. NPR. Wait, what's your favorite NPR show? Do you have one? No, I just listen to the Daily News show. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I listen to podcasts, but news podcasts exclusively. Which are your favorites? So time, I think time up or up, time up. Is that what it's called on NPR? Time up. Time, this time. Up first. Up first. And then I listen to Wall Street Journal's, This, Something, or Another. I forgot the name. What's news? I don't remember the names. What's news? Up first. And then I listen to a bitch, like a housewives podcast called Bitch Sash. Oh, I know Bitch Sash. Yeah, those are my three podcasts. Yeah, Danielle and Casey. Yeah. Yeah, I think those girls are so funny. Danielle is such a brilliant TV writer, too. She can write. She can write. Yeah. Yeah, we worked on a show together. Which show? It never came out. It got canceled by Hulu during the strikes, but it was Dan Levy and Ally Pankiew, animated show that Danielle wrote on and the Bright Tannick guys and Nori Reed. Dang, that's six that I didn't get. Greenlet. Yeah, really great room. A bunch of other people, too. Sabrina Jalisse. Whoever, if anyone's listening, I'm sorry I didn't mention everyone, but yeah, it was a, it was a really fun room. We were, we were in the middle of the room when the strike started. And then it just never came back. Never came back. They paid out our contracts and then we didn't finish it. Sorry. I think it was going to be good. It was, Dan and Ally created it together, but Danielle, yeah, she's funny. She's very funny. She's a really, yeah, so I listen, I just think they're so funny until I listen to episodes. That also introduced me to a lot of comedians like Adam Pallee. He did that. He's like a fave or Yasser Lester, but I just think they're funny. Yasser's so funny. He's funny. He's so funny. I haven't seen his bowling movie yet. I need to do it. I did. I saw it. I was like, laugh out loud, funny. I really, really love him. He's so funny. Who are, okay, speaking of funny people that we love, who are your biggest inspirations in comedy? I want to know. Ooh, that is a great question. Who are my biggest inspirations? Tina Fey, obviously. I like writers. I'm attracted to writers. People who can write really well. So Tina Fey, I remember reading the Steve Martin book, Born Standing Up. Have you read it? I don't read like any comedy books, but I know of it. Okay, it's like the standard bearer of autobiographies, especially if you're trying to be an aspiring artist or comedian. And it is just about his journey to start him, Steve Martin. And that's really good. So I really admire him. Who else? Colbert is a huge influence of mine, obviously. Who else? What do you think of his show getting canceled? Political or no? I think it's both. Yeah. What do I know? I think it's convenient that it, I think it, I think it's, I think it's a good idea. But I think it, I think they wanted to cancel it anyway because of the money situation. And I think it's very convenient for them that they have that excuse because they, they, they don't want him saying the things he's saying. Yeah, I'm excited to see what a year of him unleashed looks like. I am too. I'm really curious to see what that means. And I'm excited for his, Conan had a really great I Left the Network era. Yeah, exactly. David Letterman has a great one. I'm excited for his post-network. Like, what's he going to do? That's exciting. It's exciting. I, he, so Colbert Report, I just remember watching that in high school and it was my introduction into satire and thinking it was like the coolest thing because you could say anything offensive that would get you otherwise in trouble. But because it has great politics, you're allowed to do it. So I really appreciated that. I think you and I both operate on that. We both, we both operate on that, Matt, like that idea that you can get away with saying very funny, like audacious or inappropriate things because you trust that the audience knows your, your actual beliefs. I think so. Do you know what I mean? Yes, but then sometimes they, I hope so, but then some, sometimes they don't know anything. Oh, I, yeah, for sure. Our interview left the target audience a couple of times. Oh really? What part do you think? Oh my God, I would get comments and DMs that were like, Oh God, people are DMing me and being like, like, particularly the way, like when you were asking me about apologizing for slavery when we were chatting, when we were talking about that. That pissed me off too. I got some texts. And people were being like, the way he's dismissing this black woman, I was like, guys, we are doing a format show. They were mad at me Zway. Really? So I also, I got a lot of messages that were like the opposite, which were how could you make him apologize? Oh, I saw this as well. Yeah. That gets my gear. Yeah. They were like, they're like, he has nothing to apologize for. Why is she doing this? I'm like, guys, we're doing, we're in a format right now. It gets me mad. It gets me, the comments get me mad. So I'd have to just divest. I like can't invest at all. Yeah. And even the good comments because they rile me up. Yeah. Truly. What do you do when you, what do you do when you're feeling that way? Like, how do you get yourself out of that? Do you ever feel you find yourself falling into that hole? I think I just do another interview and they're so different. Yeah. And so then it's like, I, it's, I'm in a new hole. Like I'm not really thinking about you like that. Jumping from hole to hole. Yeah. Yes. I love hole. Much like the gay guys on Raya. Honey. Honey. And at the Delta lounge. Hole to hole. Zway is jumping from hole to hole. No, I wish it was. No, that's not you. I wish I was. I'm a Charlotte. You, yeah. Fuck. What are you? Well, it's been the subject of much consternation. Really? Really? I don't want you to be offended when I say this. My fans called me Charlotte and it made me want to fuck myself. Because I am, I am not a whore or a slut, but I have trafficked in those spaces. So is Charlotte. No. Charlotte's a freak hoe. No. Yes, she was. Zway, she's like a, she's like a sad, virginal figure who like puts up with the guy who won't touch her for way too long cause she wants to be married. For that lovely apartment. See, but that's not how I move. I don't do it with Harry. That's not how I move. Got it. So you would just, you would leave him. Oh, for sure. So I just think, look, I want it, what I want to say. I want to stay longer. What I want people to say is, what I want people to say is you're, I want them to say Caleb, you are the fun, sexy, exciting charisma of Samantha with the lead character energy of Carrie. Of course. I mean, of course I'm a mix of them. Yes, of course. Yes. You do have the lead character energy of Carrie and the sexual rawness of Samantha. I think that I am a Carrie son, Samantha rising Charlotte moon. Okay. And will you remind me what sun rising and moon means? The sun is myself. Yeah. The moon is the inner self that people may or may not know. Yeah. And the rising is what the world projects onto me. Yeah. What are your actual sun moon rising? Pisces sun, Capricorn moon, Scorpio rising, which also tracks with those three women, but maybe it's Miranda instead of Charlotte. Okay. Interesting. Religious trauma. So that's why I can identify with Charlotte. Where are you at with religion these days? Can I ask? Chilling. I'm fine. Yeah. You're chilling. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, God, I feel like whenever you talk about the fact that you, if we see you performing at a mega church, it's because you need the money. Yeah. That's how I feel about fascism where it's like, okay, if they're really rounded us up, you just hear me start singing your music groups. They're banging on the door and you're like, oh, yeah, literally. Yeah. I'm like, okay, you're really going to see me get real, real handmaid stand. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where I stand on it. I think it's like Walt Whitman, where like heaven and hell are like what we become after death. So it's like, oh, like we see grass. We see the birds eat the grass and we see that bigger birds eat the birds and you know, it's the circle of life. Like I feel like that is our version of afterlife. So God, yes or no? God, yes or no? God, yes or no? That's a complicated question because God is in the trees. Yeah. So what do you see when you see the ocean? That's God. So do you see God as a figure that exists and indoles out judgment when we leave? No, no. So you don't think there's a, you don't think there'll be like a, you don't think there'll be a hell for bad people that God said. I think this is hell. You think earth is hell. You and my mom are very aligned on this. You and my mom are very aligned on this. Well, then why am I having so much damn fun? You are. Yeah. If earth is hell, honey, why am I having a great time? Oh God. God speaks poorly of me, doesn't it? No, I think you're, well, you're all having sex in the Delta lounge. I get it. Like you're setting yourself up for fun. I'm almost having sex in the Delta lounge, which is even better than doing it by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like the promise. Yeah. It's the, it's the, it's the, you get to walk away being like, I would have done that, you know? You get to walk away being like, I'm somebody who would have done that and then you don't actually have to clean up or anything. Sex is messy. Don't you find? No. Nice. I don't think I'm having enough fun during sex. It really? It's very neat and clean. Really? You're keeping it very tidy? I just think if you fucking the Delta lounge, it's like some things are going to drip. Oh my God. They are. They are. You're at work and I'm traveling. Nothing's going to drip. I just told you that I'm a Charlotte. Yeah. You're, wait, you really don't think you're having fun during sex? Cause I am very interested in that. No, probably not. No, I'm having fun during sex. I don't have a lot of sex. Yeah. I, I, I related to that though because I am having fun during sex, but there have been eras of my life where sex felt like a thing I just had to do. Like I'm so horny that I need to have sex, but doing it was just like, God, it's like taking out the trash. You know what I mean? No, I've got to say more. I'm not in that right now. I guess I was depressed. I'm not in that right now, but I feel like there was a chunk of time in my mid twenties where I would, I would sleep with people and just be like, God, I do really want to come. I am not horny, but I just, this person's coming over here. I have to like clean my house and then like, and then I want to be a good, I want to be a good sexual partner. So I have to like invest in there coming as well, you know? And then of course I do because I'm a good guy and a really good lover by the way. But yeah, it was, there was a, there was like a period of like a year and a half there. I was like, this is such a chore. I think that any relationship, anything during your twenties is how like you're sort of working through what you like, what you dislike, what you're, you know, you're who you are. So that's not too shocking to me. Now that it seems like you've aged out of that and you're just enjoying all the smooches that you get along the way. I do, I really do. It reminds me of that Bernie Mac, that set that he did where he's like, I love sex. I love it by the pound. What does that mean? It's just Bernie being Bernie. What are you just love sex? What are you going to do? It's about the pound. I love it. I'm not saying that I don't love it. I'm just saying that, I don't know. Well, you're not having a lot of it. You did say that. Yeah, but you're too chic for that. No, I what does chic mean? Like you're like, I just feel like, when are you going to have sex? You're like in glam, you're at the fashion event, you're being too. And these guys won't come up to you. There's too much power in the culture. I know, I have a lot of power. You do. If I was a straight man, I would not come up to you. I that's so hurtful. No, you're gorgeous and intimidating. I'm dead serious. Thank you. No, I'm at this is something that I am at peace with. I don't want to be a scary person, but I recognize that whatever I move through the world, I just carry with me. Like, I don't know a stick that says, you know, you know, they say like walk lightly, but carry a big stick. Like I carry with me the stick. And for some reason people are intimidated. And that is my blessing and is my curse. I don't find you scary to start there. I do not find you scary. And I think anyone who would say that to you is racist. Kind of and has some work to do. I don't like that. Thank you. When I envisioned myself as a straight man, I think that so many straight men are genuinely intimidated by brilliant, hilarious women. Thank you. Who have their life put together. And I actually do think that if I was a straight man, I would be too intimidated to come up with. Really? Yes. I'm a pleasure. I'm a delight. You are delighted. Again, it's nothing. It's not about you. It's about who I think I would be if I was straight. Got it. I only like people with self-confidence. Like I only like high self-esteem people. I think I'm a high self-esteem person. Yeah. I think you are too. Thank you. I think you are. High value woman. Yes. What does that mean, though? I don't know. I've started reading that and I was like, is this like a dowry cat, like cattle thing? What's going on with this verbiage? You know what I mean? The dowry. You know, high value. What is it? Yeah. Yeah. I think oftentimes that's, if we're being earnest, I think that's like coded language for, yeah. For stock. Stock and also like, I think when men say that it's never, when you say you want a high value man, it feels different than a high value woman. I've never said a high value man in my life. We wouldn't say that, but if a woman were to say that, I think she means like he doesn't hit me. And if a man says that, he's like, she hasn't slept with a lot of people. You know what I mean? Oh, really? I think there's a, I think the difference in it is so gendered. I think high value man means, um, wealthy, successful, but then high value woman means like Madonna, like the Madonna archetype. That's yeah. Or Charlotte. Charlotte, the Virgin, the Virgin, the dichotomy. Yes. I've never considered dating a man for money. Yeah. Because you're a man. Yeah. But I do date men. But the highest earning couples, like statistically are men to gay men. Of course. To get it, obviously. Makes so much sense. Well, and there's the, there's the, you know, a lot of gay guys have that, that thing that people who like they have that ambition that you only get from being bullied when you're like 13. A lot of gay guys have that. So you get two of them together and just who knows what they go off. Yeah. They go off. They get active. They get active in a real way in the Delta lounge. Okay. Um, yeah. Yeah. I do you want a rich man? Not inherently. I want a cerebral man. I don't care if he's ugly. I don't care if he's short. I don't care if he's rich or poor. I just want someone who I will learn with every day of my life and hopefully laugh with every day of my life, but not like a comedian. Like I just want someone who's well rounded and thoughtful. Yeah. Yeah. So hard. Yeah. Genius. I want a genius. You want a genius. Yeah. It's like, okay, let me go to Apple. Like what do you, you know, how do you find that? Yeah. I'm like trying to think. I want to find this guy for you. Where will you find him? I guess maybe, well, you know what? I actually last night, I went to first Saturdays at the Brooklyn Museum, which I always try to go to. Everyone there is so hot and cool. Oh, really? Oh my, have you been? No. Oh my God. Everyone there is so hot and cool. It's insane. Everyone you pass, you're like, how are you this gorgeous? Oh, really? Yes. And you're, you're, I'm like not looking though. I know. I wasn't there looking. I'm, I'm all good on that. Yeah. You're happily betrothed. I, yeah, I'm good on that, but I wasn't there looking, but if I was, oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Geez. It's really cool. And there's people are dancing and they put on their best outfits and it's like, Oh wait, what is this? First Saturdays at the Brooklyn Museum. Shout out to the Brooklyn Museum. I am a member. Um, they should be getting a free membership after this. I should, will you guys please, my membership is up in like January. Brooklyn Museum, please renew for free because I'm doing this. Did you see the Dave Bowie exhibit? No, no, there's a really a good one on doors right now, though, which I know sounds insane, but it's like a video of a montage of a bunch of doors open. Oh, cool. Films. It's really cool. Um, but first Saturdays at the Brooklyn Museum, they have a DJ in the Rotunda and it's like a big dance floor during the day. Uh, no, not, oh, got it. Starts at like five, 30 or six and it gets sexy. Oh, it gets sexy. And it's intergenerational too. There's like last night I watched like this very old woman, like a salsa dancing with a bunch of young men, but just being silly. It was really cute. And then they have like vendors in there as well. Food and drink and like, uh, like local made jewelry and candles and stuff. Wow. And then the exhibits are open. Oh, wow. And then the first four, they have live music, like usually a band or a choir or something. Are you going to go, um, in September? I want to go with you. Let's go. I would love to. That sounds fun. Yeah. I should be in town. We really should. Okay. Cool. I like to go to museums for the cultural experience. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Also, we'll find you. We'll find you a partner. No, I don't, I'm not looking for one. Okay. Well, if it happens, it happens. Yes, exactly. I can't help it. It's like, it's like a parent trap where you're like, if they happen to get back together. Yeah. It's a side effect of the evening. Maybe not the main point. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then we have to go get, I get, I always get dinner at a place nearby. Oh, which, where do you go? I can't tell the cameras because it's my secret for us. Okay, got it. But when the cameras aren't rolling, I'll tell you where we're going to interact. Okay, perfect. Perfect. I love it. And you're going to love it. I'm moving to Brooklyn. Are you? Yeah, I am. Oh my God. I know. Yeah. And stop the presses. This is, this is. This is huge for the culture. Scoop alert, scoop alert. Oh my God. What has inspired? I used to live in Brooklyn. I used to live in Bushwick. Yes. And then I moved to Manhattan. And now I'm moving back to Brooklyn. Are you buying? No. Okay. No, I'm a renter in New York. We had talked about it for a second, but maybe you'd buy and we were, and we were going to give, that's what I'm saying. Let's not even get into that. Yeah. I can't wait to have you out there. I know, but it's so fun. I'm excited to hang out with young people again. We're going to have a blast. The young people are in Brooklyn. I know. Well, whenever I come here, it's like, it's like a homecoming. I know. Yes. You're back. The Queen is returned. Exactly. Versus in New York City that's like, move. You know, truly. How did you, okay. So you, you come to New York, you start doing comedy. The show goes well. All that stuff. It doesn't go well initially or for years at a time. Really? Yeah, of course. Oh wow. It's like a grueling process. Yeah. The creative process. Yeah. Yeah. Um, failure and negative dollars. Failure and negative dollars. And then one day it all turns. Yeah. I feel like that happened with you with your podcast. You said you had had one before and it was sort of into the ether and gone. And then you started so true. Yeah. And then it took off like wildfire and became one of the stickiest pieces of media on the internet. I don't really know what happened was so true. I think you came into your own. I got into your bag. I think I took some time and I think doing my own thing. Like I did. I took my time. I like did a bunch of other people's shows. I think I began to understand the format and I really just like stopped doing everything else on the internet. Yeah, exactly. I think that was the thing. I was like, this is what I do. Yeah. And I think that really helped. Were you, I, what were you, what were you doing before on the internet? Nothing for a while. I mean, I had started, I really kind of blew up doing like the front facing character videos on Twitter. Throwback. Like what was the character that was the most breakout? Oh, I did the, for sure, the one, the one that really, like, I went from having like 3000 followers on Twitter to having like 120,000 overnight. And it was this character I did that was, um, it was not even a character. It was like a scenario. I was like, I was on a break from my day job and I was like standing on the street and I was frustrated with my own behavior and an interaction. And I was like, uh, POV, you're talking to a friend who's clearly in the wrong. Yeah. And I was like, being like, no, you're totally right. You're totally right. And it was like me just being fake. Yeah. And, um, yeah, I was actually the person on the other end of that call in real life where I was like only calling people that I knew would affirm me. Of course. Of course. And I was frustrated with myself because I was like, why are you looking for affirmation when you know you're wrong? Um, but it went like really viral and people wrote like a bunch of articles about it and it got retweeted and quote tweeted by all these, like huge accounts. Chris, Chrissy Teigen quote tweeted it into the fucking stratosphere. Um, and then yeah, after that, it was like a lot of that for a couple of years. And then kind of every time I would do a character that people liked, they would want me to be just that guy. Yeah. They'd be like, only do the Southern pastor character or only do the whatever. And I'd be like, I hate this. I don't want to just be that guy. So I stopped. And then I didn't do really anything on the internet for a couple of years. This actually ties into something I was going to ask you a second ago, which is you started doing comedy, you moved to Brooklyn. The show, the show happens. No, I lived in Brooklyn before I started doing comedy. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. I moved to Brooklyn like 2015. Yeah. And you didn't start for a while? Yeah. Wow. Because I was afraid. Yeah. I was petrified. First I was afraid. It took me a second, but I got there. But I wanted to ask how you started getting so into fashion because I think you're such a fashion girl. I've always, I've always loved fashion. I never had like the money for it. Yeah. But I've even as a kid, I remember watching like Lizzie Maguire and being like, she's killing him. Yeah. You know, so she's the row in the looks. No, she had like the fuzzy little like bees in her head or like the little like tie dye crop tops. She was giving the chunky sandals. Yeah. And this, I, you know, we grew up in the era of like the fresh Prince of Bel-A or with like Hillary Banks. Yeah. And then like she was fearless. She was fierce. I feel like I'm doing Hillary Banks drag right now. Down. Yeah. Yeah. And so I just remembered these girls looking so fresh and wanting that and not being able to afford that, but trying my best with like, you know, going to the thrift store and getting the cool little button up, whatever. And then as I've gotten older, I've been lucky enough to get to work in the fashion space and that's been really fun. That's so cool. I just love clothes. What's the most like surreal fashion thing? I would like to know it's fashion and otherwise, but what's the most like surreal fashion moment you've had? Yeah. I did a Victoria's Secret campaign, which I think is so funny. Yeah. Yeah. That there's a photo of me in my underwear. Like that's just so funny to me. And I'll just bring that up in conversations where it's like, sure, you know, whatever, three things are true. Yeah. Yeah. Did you do it was like for the magazine or what was the Victoria's Secret? It was for a billboard. Did they have a magazine? Am I crazy? They did like a catalog back in the day with like with tire banks. And I'm like, I'm truly thinking of like 2005. Yeah. Yeah. Those were the those were the days. It was for a billboard. Yeah, it was. Yeah, exactly. It doesn't come up ever. That's crazy. It happened. It's just funny. That's really cool. Yeah. So, okay. So one of those and then yeah, in general, like outside of fashion, what have been your like, what have been your like, holy shit moments? You've had a lot of cool shit happen. Can I be honest? Yeah. I don't think of my life in those terms. What do you mean? You know, some people will be like, oh, this was one of the best years of my life. I think every year is the best year of my life. Absolutely. I look forward. So I'm not thinking, I just, I don't even feel like I've made it. If I'm being honest, like I feel like I'm still breaking up. Yeah. And I know that I understand to some people that seems very foreign and strange, but I just feel like I'm always growing. No, I'm with you. I actually agree with you and feel the same way. I think that every year is going to be better than the last and it has been so far and I don't feel that I've made it at all. Yeah. But I still have holy shit moments where I'm like, oh my God, that's so crazy. Do you not, do you not have those where you're like, oh, I met this person or I got to do this thing or I things where you just like kind of in the moment or like, wow, it's crazy that this is a hundred of those. Yeah. Like every week. But you're in so much gratitude that it's hard to pin down. Is that what you think is going on? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I'm rocking my brains, my brain for the heroes I've met. And each time I've been like, wow, that's wild. And then you're like back to work. Yeah, exactly. I know. But that's probably like, that's probably anti-labourous and bullshit. You know, like that's me not appreciating that like, I don't know, but I just, it's hard for me to live there. I like to live forward. That's really interesting. Yeah. One time a pop star told me they love my work. That was major. That's really cool. Yeah. And you don't want to say who? Nice. I'll tell you later. I know you will. Yeah. That's people get really, my, my, the, my favorite thing about podcasting is how mad people get when you say you're going to say something off camera. I'm like, yeah, we, everything just can't be said, but I get to know. That's the privilege of podcasting is that I get to know later. Exactly. We just don't want to give the little clickies and clippies, you know? Yeah. That's the thing. And also you don't sometimes also as a comedian, sometimes I feel protective over, I say a lot of off the wall shit and I know where it comes from and I can defend myself, but I sometimes do feel protective of public figures and I say nice things to me or whatever that I don't want to, I don't want to align them with me. Yeah. That I'm like, I don't want to get you in trouble. That this week, the viral clip is me saying like, oh, this very famous person is very nice to me and texts me that they love my work. Yeah. And then the next week I'm in hot water for saying something about whatever. Do you get hot and hot water? People are always annoyed with me on the internet, but not in any way that's been very consequential. Interesting. Cause it's mostly like a allowed small group of people that are just like, you know, like, I'm not going to get in trouble. Cause it's mostly like a allowed small group of people that are just like really fucking annoying and sensitive. Okay. I have two comments to go back to the private moments. I think like, obviously we live in a space where the public is private and the private is also public or the public is public and the private is also public because of the ways in which we like share everything. We see a beautiful couple on the train and we're like, look at this and it goes viral. So I, I appreciate like private moments and I want to, I don't know, be protective of that as well. So I, I agree with you there. I mean, it's less about getting them in trouble and more just about why can't we just have a moment? You know, like when you hang out with your friends and you're not taking photos and you're like, that was a great day. I don't have any photos. Like I kind of appreciate that about life. Absolutely. Like, yeah. And I also think I don't like, there are a lot of very awesome, cool things that have happened to me or that are in the works or whatever that I just like, I don't share about because I'm just like, well, I don't, I've just, I've always said that I think when people are killing it, they don't need to convince you. Yeah. And I'm like, I feel really good about what I'm doing. I don't need to like, I'm killing it. You don't have to convince me. I don't need to. But it's like, yeah, I just don't need to share every single cool thing that happens to me because I'm just like, that's fine. It's, it's cool that just I know that or just my inner circle knows that it's cool that like only chance knows certain things about my life or that only you and I talk about things at lunch, you know? Yes. I think there's, it's nice to keep some things to yourself in life in general. Of course. Of course. So I agree with you. I'm, I'm, but maybe it's because we were born before the internet became so pervasive with smartphones. Do you think? I think that our generation is really, really special for that. Yeah. Yeah. Is that we got to be really proficient at the internet. And I had a Windows 95 Packard Bell when I, you know, when I was like five years old, I'm with the family computer and I got to learn as it grew, but also had the privilege of understanding a world before you where you had to have, you have to print out the maps to get around where you had to like call and memorize people's house phones. And I think that that like, I guess we'll call it analog. I think it's great to have that transition. And it keeps me grounded in our reality. Yeah. I think so too. What's so true to you, Zway? Okay. What's so true? I've been thinking about it a lot and this is based on the internet. So I think my so true, how am I supposed to say it? Is it like so true, honey? No. It's actually called I think so, honey. Of course, ripping off lost culture. He says, I think so, honey. I think so. No, however you want, babe. So I, my so true is that if you yourself have found yourself in like the 10th year of scrolling on a reality stars like Facebook page to find out that like a young Dominican woman with green eyes, maybe posted something problematic, you've gone too far. Lost the plot. You've lost the plot. Like get onto the internet, get onto Reddit and like find out where the tapes are and release them. You know, like there are better things for you to do with your time than to be stalking young adults from Love Island. That is my biggest passion in the world. I do not understand the like morality that we've placed. Obviously these people are not perfect, nor do I want them to be, but they're not running for office. So we've placed this morality onto the winners of $50,000 after taxes for being able to hump the best. And we haven't thought. We haven't thought about our elected officials who need to also be sort of like policed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, I just think also like I, I, it's not my place in a lot of those cases, but I'm like, I just, I don't really care what people said when they were 17 or 19. If they're demonstrably different people now, and I don't know the Love Island situation, it's like that, but I'm saying a lot of these things, like people will drag up something from so long ago that I'm like, if they're demonstrably different people, I think we can have grace and just be like, Hey, that was weird. Let's, let's keep that in mind. And like you be normal now, but the Love Island thing, I don't know anything about it. What happened with this girl? No, what? Well, I'm talking about a new girl, the winner who everyone loves and who was like a delight and very funny, but she posted something when she was 14 on Facebook. And she got in trouble. Yeah. And my thoughts behind that are, wow, I wish you guys would investigate some of the worst people in our country. Yeah. Why don't you investigate hacking the student loans? You know what I'm saying? Like eliminate debt. Really? Cause it's like, if you guys, you guys are so smart, you're so thoughtful, you have clearly great politics. Why don't you invest that in systems that we can change? Yeah. Do something better. Versus like, yeah. The one thing I can speak on is they try to do this a lot with, with, uh, when people have said like the F slur or like homophobic slurs when they were younger. And I'm like, okay, that's the one area I can say definitively, shut the fuck up. I just don't care. Yeah. I just don't care. I'm like, unless they're actively being homophobic or transphobic right now when they're adult life, I just don't give a fuck. If they have demonstrably changed in our different people and hang out with queer people, et cetera. I'm like, yeah, I just don't think that's ever going to be helpful to us too. I think it's actually. Okay. My so true. I think it's antithetical. I think you're actually worse for the cause than they are. You are making us seem like wokes golds who are unreasonable freaks. And you are doing, you are doing more damage to the cause than they did when they were 13 posting a slur. Not to mention we don't accept apologies. It's all about accountability, but what is the accountability here? And why are they accountable to you random Twitter user? Who are you? Are you, why are they not accountable to the people in their life and their actual community? Why do they need to be accountable to you a stranger? I don't get that. Oh, there is that the idea of being accountable to people who don't know you does not make sense to me. Yeah. You need to be accountable to the people who are in your life and they can let us know if that's happened or not. But I just think the idea that some random jaded fucking X user in Florida is who I need to be accountable. Totally. Human being is nuts. It's just, it's not practical, but I'm on the other side where I'm saying reality stars should be problematic because they're getting boring now. And I want to hear a real housewife say the N word like Ramona Sanger. Just kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. Guys, don't do it. There's some, there's some reality stars watching and getting ideas. Don't do it. They're heading to the keyboard now. Yeah. No, that's, yeah, I do miss, I've said this often about figures like Wendy Williams, or Lena Dunham that I'm like, have missed the mark for me many times, have not enjoyed certain things they've done or said, but I miss bravery. I miss and I miss fuck ups. I do too. I miss fuck ups. I miss, I miss a figure like Lena Dunham having one of the biggest shows on TV, saying something objectively insane and out of pocket. And then a week later being like, sorry, y'all, I was just speaking freely. That was bad. And I apologize. I miss speaking freely. I miss when people would just say shit and see if it resonated. I don't like this like media trained, boring sanitize, like devoid of personality, devoid of culture to serve to you in an algorithm. I'm bored. Bored. I'm bored. I'm bored of it. Zeeway's bored. Zeeway's bored with you. No, I'm not bored with you either. I have a segment for you. Oh, wait, there's segments on this show. Yes. Wow. And this is sometimes one of the most loved and sometimes one of the most hated segments on the show. We'll see how you feel about it. The purpose of this is speed. I'm gonna speed. I'm going to read you 15 statements as quickly as I can. Got it. You're going to tell me if you think it's true or false. Got it. And Zeeway, if you get 10 or more correct, I'm going to give you 50 US dollars. Okay, wow. You should give me that regardless. No, right. We're actually, we'll talk off mic. Okay, you ready? Yes. The largest ocean in the world is the Atlantic Ocean. No. False. It's the Pacific. The human eye can observe 10 million different colors. Sure. True. The first movie produced by Pixar was Toy Story. No. It's true. Oh, whoops. Dogs sweat through glands in their paws. I thought they sweat through their tongue. False. True. Phillips Academy's newspaper is called The Philosopher. No, false. False. It's Philippian. Nice. The Caesar salad was invented in Italy. It was invented in Italy. It was invented in. I don't know. Mexico. Greenland is the world's largest island. Greenland is the world's largest island? I don't even know what that means. I didn't know countries could be islands. Australia is also an island. Sure. Is it? No, it's not an island. I don't know. False. I don't know. False. True. Damn. Succession ran for five seasons. I think four. False. It was four. The moving sidewalk was invented in 1893. Who knows? Who cares? True. It's true. The New York City Marathon is the largest marathon in the world. Probably true. True. Robin Thee graduated from DePaul University. Thede and Northwestern. False. It was Northwestern. Applesauce was the first meal eaten in space. I believe that. True. False. Beef and liver paste. Ew. It takes two weeks for a sloth to digest a single meal. Two weeks? That's true. That's true. Two more. The Boston Red Sox have the second most World Series titles. I after the Yankees, that's got to be false. Go Pat's. False. They're tied for third most. The liver is the largest internal organ in the human body. No, the internal organ. Liver. Is that the one that goes like this? No, the liver. No, that's not true. It is true. I thought the intestines were the large organ. I don't know what to tell you, Zway. It's just what it says. The liver? I just read the paper. Largest in the... The intestinal organ in the... Largest internal organ in the human body. So larger than the small intestines. Define large. Is it by... No, surface. Is it by surface area? Because I don't think that's true. So I think what you... Yes, I hear you and what you... Because the large intestine, when laid out, it would like circle around the globe. Exactly. But it's so micro thin that as far as like actual like mass that you can like hold in your hand. Like you could hold the large intestine. We might have to give this one to Zway. You could hold the large intestine in your hand and it would take up less space than the liver. But what is large meaning in this context is that surface area is it weight? We might need to give this one to Zway. Chance hates when his questions get challenged. No, but you actually have to be really specific. Yeah, you're right. We're giving you that one. Chance, how'd she do? 11. Yeah! Let's go! How many was I allowed to get wrong? You did great. You were allowed to get... You needed to get 10 or more correct and you got 11. Wow, thank you. Which is crazy good work. Out of 14. Out of 15. Out of 15. 11 out of 15 is a really good one by the way. I know, but go Pat's. I can't believe the red socks lost. Go Pat's. For real. I'm like a Patriots fan. I know that's problematic. Why is it problematic? Because... I love this. I don't think it's problematic. Oh, I mean, right now it kind of sucks. Well, yeah, but they're in a transition, OK? Yeah, they're in a building period. Justice for Bill Belichick. Justice for Bill Belichick. Ha ha ha ha! Free, free the homie. Free the homie Bill Belichick. You should make merch. Free the homie Bill Belichick merch would go crazy. And you know it. That'd be insane Zway merch, actually. I know it would. You should get him on your show. You don't think I want to. Have you tried? Bill Belichick, I am calling on you now. Go on Zway. That'd be so cute, Tram. He needs it right now. I think that he and I would get along because I've loved the Patriots since they won the snowball against the Raiders. Yeah, you need this, actually. You both need this. He needs to be on the show and you need to have him on the show. Thank you. I need him to come on Zway bad. I love the Go Pat's. Seriously, Go Pat's. I know, but I feel like we are both... We have the... You know, what's the way to say it? Like the axis of evil in terms of our sports love. Yeah. Because you like the Chiefs. Huge Chiefs fan. Yeah. And people hate that about me now. It used to be cute and charming when we were bad. Now people are like, they don't like that I talk about it. They don't like a winner. People don't like a winner. I know. Can we discuss? I mean... Society hates a winner. Two divas. Two divas. Lots of ups. Breaking down the ups. They hate to see a winner. It's so real. I know, it's hard, but guess what? Winners win. Winners win and that's what we're going to continue to do. Is there anything you wanted to say that you didn't get to today? Watch my interview. Hello. Am I talking here? Am I talking here? Watch my interview. Well, because it's like also the widest cute because then he could be like doing a little dance. Watch my interview with Jigsman soon. Watch my interview with Caleb Herron. And feel free to watch my other interviews. They're coming out monthly until I do more. But who knows when? I gave you lots of different options. I saw. I moved. I did peace signs. I did hearts. I just wanted you to have the space to play with it. Thank you. I'm sad that I didn't play with both cameras. Can we retake that? Of course. Okay, watch my. And we'll leave both in. And we'll leave both in just for the audience. They like this kind of stuff. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, great. They like when we do multiple takes and we leave it in. Really? Do they like when you talk about sex too? They like when I talk about sex. I hear talking about sex. They like when I talk about sex. They like my ads because my ads are chaos. Oh, what? Who's your sponsor? We have all kinds of sponsors. I actually met a sponsor on the street the other day. I was walking down the street in Brooklyn and this girl in like sweat pants and no. Sorry, love. Whoa. Whoa. She was on a walk and clearly not putting a run into people walk. No offense, love. And she goes, Caleb, I sponsor your show. That's so cute. And I went, what? And she goes, yeah, she told me the brand. She works for, I don't want to out her, but she told me the brand that she works for. It's a big brand that does a lot of podcasts ones. And she was telling me, she's like, yeah, I actually am a huge fan of your show. And I'm so glad that we get to like sponsor you guys. I love that. And I was like, thank you for your service. I love that. And Chance thinks you more than anyone. Amen. Yeah. And by the way, I'm courting sponsors as well. Sponsor. Oh, do you do sponsors right now on the show? Oh my gosh, people are leaving money on the table. I know. Well, I like having control. Yeah. Being perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I can't. But now I like money. Yeah. It's important to like money sometimes. It's actually politically, it's revolutionary to be a capitalist. I've decided. Oh. I just made an opinion. Yes, yes, yes. Das Kapital, that's what that's about. That's exactly what that's about. I've actually said for a long time that I remember the day I decided that millionaires aren't the problem. Oh, really? That was a political change. And where were you in the tax bracket when you? Can you pick up? I woke up one day and I said, no, it's just billionaires. It could only be billionaires. Let me get this money. Yeah, that is so funny. No, I do. The sponsors, God, we love them. We appreciate them. But I read the ads. I read the ads in a silly way, Zwayne. That's just who I am. Oh, you do. You go like, oh, you got to buy Casper mattress. That's exactly what I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You actually, now I can't do that anymore because you nailed it so hard. Now I'll just like mess up and keep it in. I'll just be silly about them. Some people like it. Some people like the way I do ads. So if you start doing ads, maybe we could have a summit about it. Oh, yes. An ad summit. Ad summit. For added. K-L-L-N-Z-Way ad summit. Oh my, honestly, that's our list of culture. Ad week. Yeah. I think so, Brand. Yeah. Brand, I think so. We're going to, I'm going to start ripping off Las Colch. That's so funny. Have you been on Las Colch? I have, of course. I did it like in 2020. I haven't been back since. They've never had me on. Oh, they haven't? No. I think there's a deep fear that we would slide too hard. I think so. I think it would be, the internet would, the internet would break. Yeah, I do love both of them though. And I love their categories that they do for the cultural words. I know, they're so chic. They're so fucking funny. Those two. They're really funny. Yeah. I met, I met them years and years ago because I interned at this comedy central like rotational program with this woman named Suzy Green, who went to college with them. And so I met them when I was an intern in like 2013. Yeah. Whoa, a long time ago. I know. Holy cow. Yeah. I love Suzy. She's so funny. She's so funny. She can write. She can write. And you know what? That's a dying art form. Yes. Being able to actually write. Zway, where can people find you? At Zway on Zway. At Zway on Zway. At Zway on YouTube. I'm not on Twitter. On YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Substack. Substack you're really going in on. I'm bullish on Substack right now. I think it's important to have a following that is independent of an algorithm. Yeah. I think that's really smart. Zway, thanks so much for being on. We just love you. Thank you, Caleb. We did it. Zway. That was a hate gun podcast.