Jim Nantz on The Masters, John Daly's Guide to Life, Moon Eras, TikTok Algorithms & More | Ep 186

So I got up there with the Lamar Hunt trophy and I got Patrick and you're on the outside of Patrick and they're telling me we got to get through this, make it really fast. One question to Pat, we're out of here and they're saying it in my ear, do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. Congratulations. And this was the first time you've got to fight for your right to party, but the F in fight dragged on wrong. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an F I instead of an F whatever. And it was you got to fight for your right to party. And I said, you got to we're out of here, James Brown back to you and you've made the whole thing sink. So show open for the Nansen Daily Show, which is this is an epic one to combo. You want to talk about the most like highly regarded like has done it by the book is the classiest, like nicest, straight and narrow and then the complete opposite. And that's just who we are as people, Jason, everything we've talked to him about, man, fucking felt it in my heart. Like I could see speaks to the heart. He we share a lot of this similar like family and and desire for the love of what we do. And then, you know, I fucking get it, John. I want to be at a bar that's in a fucking fitness center. You know, I want to I want there to be a treadmill while I'm drinking again. It's you know, I want there to be, you know, I want my cake and to eat it too. I want to fucking smoke a sig and fucking hit a ball as far as I can. I got nothing to add. I'm right there with you. I think that's one of the that's one of the cool things about golf just in general. I think that is like, you know, you got your your your your your character like John Daly, who I think in a lot of ways is very just like unhinged and and everybody loves him for being. Everybody loves him for being who he is. And you got Jim Nance about his dialed in of a storyteller and, you know, touching on all these different walks of life. And it's pretty wild that the sport has that breath. You got your Muni lot with your hair down and your no rules. And then you can be in the grounds of Augusta where you got to have a jacket on the moment you step foot. And there's a lot of rules and decorum in place to protect something that's pretty sacred. So yeah, it's a pretty awesome game for that. All right, let's get into this thing, dude. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. This is a wonder show brought to you by AT&T. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey, my big brother out of Cleveland, I so I oh man made it back to the land. So the guards get a fucking dub against the cubs, baby. Let's go. There you go, Travis. Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show and also share media at New Heights show with 1S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, let's tell the people how amazing this show is going to be today. Oh yeah, baby. We got another great episode for you 90% as we're going to get out of the house. We're also going to answer some of your no dumb questions and it's Masters week. So we got two incredible guests. Jim Nance and John Daly are here. Quite the combo. Quite the combo. All right, let's get right into this with a little bit of that new news. New news. New news is brought to you by American Express. Travis is going to the moon. I am. Yeah. How? Yeah, NASA replied. NASA replied to one of your tweets. I don't know if you saw this. Please put this up on the screen, Brandon. I was about to say I haven't tweeted since like 2010. Well, this is a doozy from 2010. The moon looks crazy tonight. I'm going to chill out here for a little and just visualize my success and vibe to the scenery. Yeah, I still do that often. And NASA said it's been a long time. Long time. I hear you. I hear you, NASA. I hear what you're doing. I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. I want to go to the moon. Well, I got bad news for you, Travis. You're too big. That's fucking. Do you know that per cat? I can't see the screen on this screen, the username, but we'll just say per cat. Please let Travis know he's too big for space. Yes, there are strict height limits for astronauts to ensure they fit into the spacecraft, suits and workstations. NASA generally requires candidates to stand between five foot two and six foot three. So you are too tall, not too tall, Jones, too tall, trash. Too tall, Jones. Yeah. Too tall, Jones. Yeah. This is some good BS right here. No way I believe that. But also, you know, this is one of the Ed Kelsey's favorite slogans, man. You know, life isn't fair. So don't ever think it is. You don't get to do what you want to do. Where you have genes such as Mama Kelsey's blade like genes that make you six, five or six, four and seven, eights. Yeah. Yeah. It's mostly from mom's side, for sure. Yeah. You know, it's still a dream. Hopefully, there's weight restrictions so I can just not even have to ever think about it. What do you think of this Artemis II going to the moon, Jason? I love it. I'm a big fan of us going places with rockets. Well, hey, another. Rockets. I don't know who I was listening to. If it was Neil DeGrasse Tyson or somebody who, you know, there's a lot of people I think are upset with the money expenditure on going to space and doing these things that they don't really see the upside in the investment. And I think that somebody way smarter in this space than me was talking about just the amount of inventions and innovations that have taken place with the human desire to go places they've never been to that NASA has gone through to make safe space travel safer, more effective, more efficient. I think it's, I don't know that it's a loss the way people think that it is. No. And I like discovery, right? It would have been crazy to be alive when Christopher Columbus gave word of the new world over there in the West. But I hear what she's going with. What is it? Lewis Clark. What's the other fucking Clark? Lewis and Clark. Lewis and Clark. That's what it is. Lewis and Clark going West. That's not, I don't think that's the same thing. Where are you going? I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm pro discovering new stuff. I think it's cool. So you don't think we've been to the moon? Well, I think we haven't been in a while and we've kind of pushed the pause button on going and doing things in space to this degree. So I think going to the moon, I'd love to see us go to Mars. Still want to see that happen in my lifetime. I think that it's awesome that we're back in the moon's orbit. There you go. I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, it went up in the air, right? It hasn't shown anything come down yet. Travis, it's orbiting as we speak. Nice. It's up there. It's epic. Can't wait to see things. Jason, I think we all know this in-house, but you guys got a new dog. We did get a new dog. You guys are. We got a German Shepherd. Nice. We were talking about Alex, weren't we? Did that go on there? Didn't. We weren't recording when we talked about it. The news hadn't broke yet. Kylie broke the news on her show. Oh, yeah, of course. Scooped us. She scooped us. All right, well, then she can have it. Yeah, no, we got a new dog. Do you want to see it? I mean, if it's a puppy, I would love to see it. Who doesn't love puppies? I'm sorry. I'll go get her. I'll go get her. All right. Oh, look at that pup. That's right. This is Frida. Frida. Or as everyone is calling Freddie. Everyone is calling her Freddie around the house. Where did Frida come from? She's a rescue from, what is it, the SPCA? I always get that mixed up, but there's a litter that was a PCSPCI. PCS. PSPCI. PSPCI. It's such a dick. Anyways, yeah, no, we went down. We got this beautiful dog here. I'm calling her Gunda. Gunda. Because I like that name better. Gunda. Gunda. Sit. Gunda. Sit. Why are you speaking to another accent? She's German, right? Gunda. You tell them that you have a Gunda. It's not Gunda. It's Freddie. Freddie. Nice. I like Freddie. Freddie's a girl. Frida is a girl. Freddie is a nickname. But yes. Nice. All right. That does it for a little bit of that new news brought to you by American Express. Let's get to a little bit of that out of the house, which is brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. It is officially tax season knocking live. You haven't gotten them in yet. You might want to get them in or get it done with Turbo Tax. As you're watching this, Jason and I are actually out of the house down in Augusta, Georgia, to the one and only Masters tournament down there at Augusta National. And yeah, I'm excited about it. I think it's going to be a pretty, pretty fun experience. The last time I went, I think I mentioned this earlier, the last time I went, I went right after COVID and there were like limited amount of people, no grand stands, at all, at, if any, maybe a few were up. And it was a very mild experience, but I got to see the Masters for what it was. I got to see the course in Augusta National and how it's like a botanical garden in a sense with all the azaleas and the flower pots and the trees and just the natural beauty that the place has. That was an amazing experience, but I'm pumped to see this thing at full go. Everybody is jacked up for this Masters. Everybody's excited to see if Rory can stay on top like he did last year. I think there's a lot of excitement going into this one. I'm pumped to just hang with my friends that the group of guys that we're going into it with, as well as enjoy some at least one day with Jason. I think to everybody that hasn't been to the Masters, it's just an event second to none. The way it's done, there's nothing else like it. There's obviously great history in it dating back to what, 1934. It's special not just because of how incredible the course is, but how it's run by Augusta National, all the people in the hospitality, a bunch of teachers take on second jobs because they're on spring break. So a lot of the workers there are actually school teachers in the surrounding community. There's obviously everything that happens at the course, but then outside of that, there's so many parties and events and concerts and homes that are throwing things all week long down there. It's really turned into such a week of just, I mean festivities that it's incredible. It's the super bowl of golf. It's the biggest tournament. It's the biggest showing. It's the top players in the world that know this is the one that considers, determines the greatness and the greatest that have ever played this game. And there's something really beautiful with the no phones thing. There's so many things that everybody goes, I went to sunrise mass this past week and we're all taking pictures of the sunrise and it's beautiful. But the fact that you're not allowed to have your phone in there makes everybody be present in a way that's very, one just breathtaking because you have to take in the scenery in the moments and the shots, but also that you're all doing it together. There's like a, just this very communal aspect of the love of golf that has every walk of life down there. CEOs or guys that won their tickets in a raffle and everybody's in the same position and whoever puts their chair down first, that's going to be their spot. That's what the tradition is. And it just, it's a really awesome event and something that I don't think really replicates that I've seen. So I'm really excited to do that. I'm excited. Again, I keep mentioning these pimento cheese sandwiches. I'm definitely getting another one of them. Start stacking cups. I mean, I'm going to be broadcasting the part three as everybody knows. So I'm excited to see that for the first time and to get a chance to chop it up with some of the best players in the world. I'll say this. I've had the pleasure of meeting a lot of these guys on the PGA tour, man, and a lot of the guys on the live tour. It's hard to say I'm rooting for just one guy or I think this guy will win it because I don't want to shortchange anybody else that I've had, that I have like a relationship, a good relationship with, but I am, I'm pretty pumped to see this year's masters just because of where golf is right now and how everybody, the love and the factuation that everybody has with it. I mean, this year alone, you've seen guys like LeBron come out and just be, just the love of the game has just taken him and thrown him into the world of golf. And I think all around right now, like the excitement of golf is at a, is at an all time high. And I think that's going to create a crazy and fun atmosphere for these PGA guy or these guys at the masters that are the top in the world to really go out there and hit some fucking amazing shots, man. And I'm fucking pumped for it. Let's go baby. And that does it for out of the house brought to you by into eternal tax. Thank you, George, presenting sponsor AT&T. 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It was always Apple. I just remembered how cool the logo was, man. The Apple with the rainbow colors on it, on that desktop computer, man. And then they went to the really cool translucent, you could see through it and it had the cool shapes and everything and then it just kept evolving. It had that great built-in pong game, right, that you would go back and forth on. Dude, I can play that right now for hours. Yeah. Apple just launched the all-new MacBook Neo. It's an amazing Mac at a surprising price. So whether you're in school starting something new or just want to fly through everyday tasks and apps, this is your moment. Check out the all-new MacBook Neo. Learn more at Apple.com slash Mac. 92%ers. We have two incredible conversations with golf legends. Insane. All right, these masters conversations are brought to you by AT&T. Let's see what Jim Nance has to say. The voice of the master is for what he's coming up on his 41st tournament. Whoo-hoo, baby. Hello, friends. Our guest today is a six-foot three broadcaster from the University of Houston. He's been the voice of the masters for 40 years. You know him from his time in the booth for the NCAA tournament and the NFL on CBS. He's a two-time sports Emmy winner for most outstanding sports personality. I can't do it this quiet. He's a member of the National Sports Media Association Hall of Fame. The only person to come in ten and all four golf majors. And he is the first broadcaster in history to serve as the lead play-by-play announcer for the Super Bowl, the NCAA Men's Final Four, and the Masters all in the same calendar year. Come on. 92%ers, please welcome Jim Nance. Hey, hello, friends. What an introduction. My gosh, man, my head's so big right now. I'm not going to be able to fit in the Butler cabin this week, but I am so thrilled to be on with the Kelsey Brothers. Obviously, I know you both for years. I've loved being able to meet with you guys in a variety of places. I'm really proud of your story, your whole Cleveland Heights. Come on, baby. It's a Canton journey with a lot of stops in between. You're awesome. And thanks for having me on, man. This is my way to start the Masters week right here. Let's go, man. And start a whole new tradition unlike any other. Let's do it. We're so pumped up, man. Jim, thank you for even considering coming on here. We've always been huge, huge fans of your big guy. And this is really cool, man. But you got to tell me the, what's the secret to a good hello, friends? Because it's so iconic. And you do, there's nobody that does it any like anywhere close to you. Well, let me just say this. I never had any intention of this becoming a thing. But years ago, and I'm not trying to make this too somber. I celebrate my father all the time. He's been gone a long time, but he battled Alzheimer's and he was at late stages fighting Alzheimer's a quarter century ago. And that became my line to him so that he knew I was thinking of him when I came on the air. So not to make it a downright. That just gave me chills. I know how close you guys are to your mom and dad. And that became a thing at a golf event, a PGA championship. And I told him I'm going to come on the air. I'm going to say hello, friends. Jim Nantier along with time. It was Lanny Watkins, great guy. And I said, when I say that, I'm thinking of you as kind of channeling you. That's so awesome. Are you kidding me? Said it after we came on air and after the show, someone said, I heard you say hello, friends. What's that all about? And I told the backstory and they said, you want to say that every show. So I started saying it. It took about three years before people actually said, you know what, you're saying that all the time. Do you know the one little footnote to this? I, there were a lot of people that were creating merch, particularly Masters Week that had hello friends and it looked like people thought I was doing it. I was creating it. I wasn't. And so my manager said, you ought to trademark it. So we ought to get the copyright on that. So we went through a six month search and we found it. We found somebody possessed it. A negotiation took place and the lawyer called me and I've been writing checks to the lawyer here as he's been working on this thing. And he said, I've got some good news and bad news. We found it. We found the people to own it. They're willing to deal with us and I negotiated with them. And I said, look, I told you, I'll pay a lot of money for this. Yeah, it's personal. And they said it's going to cost us just 664. And I said, 664,000. He said, no, 664 dollars. I said, I paid you 25,000 dollars to write a check for 6,653 dollars. And I can't give the name away, but I can give you some hints. I bought it from a television superstar who owned it. Yeah, wrote the check. They have the whole thing. And now I own it. So when anybody says hello, friends, like you did Jason to the top, I'll give you the address. You got to send me a check for 20 bucks. You got it. You got it. I'll bring it down to the historic Butler cabin and pay it off. That's it. That's it. Are you constantly thinking about like tags and slow like you've had so many times throughout your career where you're in the middle of a game and it feels like it just comes to you. Do you pre-plan a lot of these things before the games or is a lot of it just coming natural? Let me ask you this. On the eve of games, did you ever kind of run through the game in your mind and actually see the play so vividly in your head? You felt like you were actually playing it, but you were asleep and you could actually see yourself moving and how you were going to react and how you were going to perform on that play. I do the same thing before every show. It is not scripting, but I think of scenarios. I think of what happens if Tiger wins? What's that going to feel like? What are the stories I'm going to want to get into? But those taglines, particularly at Augusta, and like I said, I've been doing it for 40 years, most of them are on the moment, organic. This is what I feel. I don't have notes in front of me. A couple of times I will have some background stories that I have written down. I want to make sure I get to it. But unlike a football game where I'm working off of spotting boards, golf, I like to say I'm calling it from my heart. What I see is what I feel and I'm going to let my heart speak. If Rory knocks in a pot to complete the career Grand Slam as we witnessed a year ago, it struck me at the time to say the long journey is over. McElroy has his masterpiece. I had not written that down. I had not gone to bed thinking exactly what I was going to say, but I kind of was noodling on the idea of masterpiece. But the words just kind of came out most of the time. That's the way it is. It's like my last Super Bowl that I called. I've had the pleasure of calling seven of them was the game in Las Vegas. I know it very fondly. When McColl Hardman caught the when he dutched down and over time, I said, given it was in Las Vegas, Jack Pot, Kansas City. Again, I didn't have that one pre-plan. And then what happened after that? I went up on the victory platform and someone started singing Viva Las Vegas. I let that run out a little too long. I apologize about that. It was perfect. We've had some great moments on those platforms. Thank you enough for giving me those platforms, man. Those are the ones I remember the most. One time, whatever, there was a show premiering on CBS after an AFC Championship game. So you don't realize it now, but you got someone not running commentary, but a producer telling you where you need to go next. So I got up there with the Lamar Hunt trophy and I've got Clark Hunt and I've got Andy over here. And I got Patrick and you're on the outside of Patrick. And they're telling me, we got to get through this, make it really fast. No follow up questions. Just one question to the coach and one question to Pat. We're out of here and we've got to get up there. They got to get to this programming while the audience is sizable. Kind of giving them a little nod. They know that's for them. And Patrick answers a question and I'm looking at you as he's answering it, letting you know I'm coming to you next. And they're saying it in my ear, do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. And this was the first time you went on the, you've got a fight for your right to party, but the F in fight dragged on so long. I'll tell you what, it's been seven years coming baby. I learned one thing since I've been here. You got to fight for your right to party. And I thought, not only have I been guilty of insubordination, I've just walked into an F-bomb on the CBS television network maybe. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an F-I instead of an F whatever. And it was, you got to fight for your right to party. And I said, you got to, we're out of here, James Brown back to you and you made the whole thing sing. That's awesome. I remember the other one was the Cincinnati mayor. Oh yeah. Yeah, I brought you in and you said, hey, you big jabroni. Shut your mouth, you big jabroni, that a Cincinnati mayor. Know your role, it's shut your mouth, baby. Shout out to the rock. Yeah. I have to admit, Jason, I wasn't sure what a jabroni was at the time. This is a good, you had to be late 90s, early 2000s wrestling fan to know that one. It was perfect. I've been known through my, my friend's parents as the worst influence on my friends because of insubordination. So thank you for trusting me on the stage with a mic. You dragged me into that too. The idea of a senior friend's insubordination. That's good. I'm happy to have that title. Do you ever find yourself, because we've all, when we were growing up or playing certain sports, you almost comment the game to yourself, right? Like I remember playing basketball in the backyard and my guard, there's 10 seconds left, five, four, and he's hit it. He's hit the game. When you're playing golf, are you ever calling the game to yourself? Is that where you're, are you that into it? This is hilarious. Not now. Not now, but I will call, I will call shots of the people I'm playing with. Oh yeah, we see you in those. Whatever reason, I get such a charge out of it. The other day I was playing, I was down here at Troubadour in Tennessee and was there with Luke Ryan and Golden Tate and they said, hey, would you mind? Yeah, so I did it. It ended up on Instagram. I just, which I'm fine with. I think every kid had those voices in their head, Jayce. I think we all put ourselves in that arena where the world was watching us and we've tried to figure out what that would feel like. And I think like take the master's field this week, every single one of those players, Scotty Shuffler, Rory, all of them, Bryson, I guarantee you that as young kids, they stood over four footers on a practice putting green over and over again, obsessing with what that moment would be like and they had someone doing the commentary in their head saying, this is to win the master's tournament. I know I did, but no more. Now, I sometimes will do it because my game has fallen off a cliff to try to like bring a little laughter and lower expectations. I will, when just playing with some buddies or people for the first time, I'll walk up to the shot and I'll say, now Nance, looking down that right side of the fairway, Trevor, I'm just trying to take the price off a shot that's destined to rope hook out of bounds or vomit right out of bounds. And so I think those voices are real for anybody that's competed at a high level. You called your first masters at 26 years old. I cannot fathom that. I was just trying to be professional and you were like the peak of like a professional at 26 year old. How did that feel? Well, truth is, I was scared out of my mind. And now all these years later, I'm 66. And this will be number 41, which will be the new record that came into the week with 40. I was the great Bern Lundquist. We both had done 40. This will be my 41st. Not that anybody cares about those records. But when they entrusted me, I truly thought CBS had lost its mind. What are you, I just realized I was living in a dormitory just a few years ago on the University of Houston campus. What am I doing here? This is nuts. But of course, I acted like I, there's no big deal, no big deal. You may not know this, but Freddie Couples and I shared a dorm room at Houston. And so, you know, he was great help to me on the middle side of this, because he was already on the tour. He just kept telling me when I first started at CBS, just keep what I do is that just keeps saying like a broken record. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. And I got that from Fred. I got that actually when I went to New York to audition for the job. And Fred happened to be staying at my house at the time. How cool is this? You know, Freddie's getting back into the field, of course, as a past champion. And I trust you guys are just barely old enough to appreciate the greatness of Fred and how cool he was on a golf course. Smoothest swing in the world. I can watch him warm up all day. Coolest guy of all time. And when we arrived on the Houston campus as two of the seven freshmen for Dave Williams and his legendary golf program, which won 13 national championships, I had nothing to do with that by the way, but I lettered. But he had the freshmen come in and introduce one another, just breaking the ice. And he said, guys, I want you to stand up, boys, stand up and just give me basically name, rank and serial number and what your goal is in your life. And I was, you know, not overconfident, but I just said, I'm Jim Nance. My goal in life is to one day work for CBS. I want to broadcast a master's tournament. What? That was always my goal. And I love by like, Paraglut, driven by that obsessed with that idea because I love the way they broadcast the NFL. Some are all Madden, some are all in Brookshire. That was my network. But I love the way they presented the masters and the NFL. So anyway, that was my declaration. The fourth guy down stood bashfully and said, I'm Fred Couples from Seattle, Washington. And one day I want to win the masters. And do you know, we ended up taking Dorm Sweetcoach was the genius. We have Blaine McAllister in our, in our dorm room with Blaine, one of my all time closest friends. He won five tour events in John Horn, who played on the tour a couple of years. So the four of us were roommates all through school. And, you know, we got to sit there and talk about a dream that had the same landing spot, Butler Cabin. Fred wanted to win it. I wanted to be in that cabin to present it. And as weird as this sounds, I don't know, this is the kind of high jinks you guys were up to at, uh, we won high school. But we didn't practice the green jacket ceremony when we were kids in college. Of course. That's so fucking cool, man. Hell yeah. And lo and behold, in 1992, Freddie won the masters. And I was there to do the interview and present the green jacket. So getting chills, man. I had no idea, dude. Strong testament to how dreams can come true. You got to dream big for them to come true. Speak it into existence. We'll be rooting for him over there. I'll give him some extra mojo off the tee, baby. I'll be right there rooting him on, man, on Friday. Hell yeah. Of all the big events you call every, you talk about the masters. What are the other, what are the, what are the biggest events you've been a part of a CBS that you just like think back in your career? You know, I've been part of the CBS golf teams, like, like I said, for over 40 years now. And I called 32 national championship games in college basketball. So watching the action from Indianapolis this week, I mean, I just love it. I don't miss it. And I don't say it as any sour grapes. I needed, I needed time with my kids. And I gave it up in 2023, my own choosing, because basically the hamster wheel, and I call it the golden hamster wheel, never ended. I was on 48 weeks a year, golf. The championship game would be played on Monday night, and I was on a flight that night into Augusta and switching gears after calling 15 games in the month of March. I just love being a part of the tournament and be able to see everything from the fab five through coach K's all the coach K's five championships, Yukon's program coming from nowhere to now being a dominant power. And on and on Roy Williams, North Carolina, his time at Kansas, worked with Billy Packer for 18 years. And then of course, Cart Kellogg, Bill Raftory, Grant Hill, for joy, man, it was a absolute joy ride. Then the NFL in a working now with Romo, we're going in our 10th year of this year. Love Tony, we have so much fun together. He's one of a kind. You know, and that's what makes him special is that you don't want everybody to be the same just flat X's and nose guy. He's a big kid who expresses himself as such on the air. And I find that very appealing and very authentic. It makes it fun, man, worked with Phil Sims for a long time before that. I've I hosted two Super Bowls and I've called seven. So those are the main parts we've had Olympic games. We've had all these different sports I call the US Open tennis for years. But my primaries were always golf, the NFL and college basketball. When I started basketball, I got asked at a news conference in New York, I was assuming the role from Brent Musburger. I was asked, do you think you'll ever be able to approach the record for longevity for play by play? And I said, what's the number? And they said six. And now these are some names from your past, even before you, but Kurt Gaudy, Dick Enberg and Brent had all called six a piece. And I thought, I'd never get to six. That would be amazing. I got to 32. I got to 32. I want to put that record away. Okay, so no. No, it was a gift. I'm glad the CBS wanted me to do it for that many years. I'm glad I could say when I needed to step down from it and get a few more weeks at home. But all of it's been that childhood dream. You know what that's about. It's burns. It still burns deep in the heart. It never goes away. And well, we appreciate you for jumping on that golden handster wheel and taking us for a ride with you, man. More than anything, if I had to write the end of the script, I love the NFL. And I love being able to have the chance to do it for a few more years. But someday, as you know, you approach 70, you're going to have to back off a little bit more. And I would like to do 51 Masters tournaments. Holy cow. That sounds like a crazy number. It used to be 50. I wanted to be able to say I did 50 Masters because again, that's that little boy still speaking inside of my head. And I mentioned that at an awards event out in California and this broadcaster of yesteryear, one of the greats of all time, Jack Whitaker, had introduced me. And he said, I heard you say you want to do 50 Masters. I said, you know, he said, you need to do 51. I said, why is that? He says, if you do the math, your 51st Masters 2036 would be the 100th playing of the Masters. He said, you need to be there for that. And he said something very nice. He said, and I think Augusta needs you to be there for that, to usher out the first century and bring in the next. So that's kind of been everything that, you know, I've thought about for a long time. So I didn't come on your show to announce my retirement on April 14th, we're kind of working that way. I love it. I love it. You get the opportunity to man, we'll be at the 51st airing of the Masters for you, brother. We'd be honored. You got to fight for your right to party. Come on. Did you have any personal Mount Rushmore of Masters moments? You got any like top tier, the ones that stand out to you the most? Yeah, I do. And I'm going to put the Freddy win in 92. And a special box over here, that was really personal. Because that's again, that's like Hollywood make believe fantasy stuff that two kids could practice that scene of the green jacket presentation and actually have to do it for real. That was choking my guts out. And so was he. That was a watershed moment for me. I'm really, truly feared if I could emotionally hold up for that. But we both did and I was able to get us off the air clean. And yeah, that one's in its own category. But I've got three. One would be Jack Nichols 1986, my first. Now you guys weren't around to see it. Oh, I know it. Oh, I know it was the him, the shark and the Sevee, Sevee, Tom Tite, Tom Watson, Bernhard Longer. I mean, it was a load of Corey Pavin. They were all jockeying Greg Norman, like you said, they're all in the mix. And that's when you mentioned it earlier. I was just a young kid, chill bumps up and down my arms, my teeth rechattering, Jack made a pivotal birdie on my whole the 16th. And I uttered the words, the bear has come out of hibernation. Now I didn't know where that line came from. I truly thought I'm incapable of coming up with that narrative, that clip, that big, that caption. And I began to have doubt in my head as the broadcast continued, because we still had Sevee to come through Norman. Jack had gone out way ahead of them. And I began to think I just plagiarized a remark someone else had said earlier in the show, we had announcers from 10 in. So I thought, well, maybe someone down there at Amen Corner said no one had as it turns out. Ohio ballplayer man, shout out to Jack. To debut with Jack was was crazy. And then I will go Tiger 97. Not that it was competitive. Now I know you boys remember that one. I called that one I was at the 18th by then. And I called it a win for the ages. That was one of my lines. Jason, you asked me about this earlier. That line I had preplanned. Okay, he had a six shot lead going into Sunday, and he was running away from the field. And I knew that clip was going to have the narrative played with it forever. Forever. Forever. This is a piece, this is there's a permanence to it. It's going to be a couple hundred years from now when they come on the air with the Masters and they do the montage. That clip of Tiger winning a 97 will be on there for 100% dragged in the history with it is the little narrative. There it is a win for the ages. So I thought about that a lot the night before I knew it had to be short. I knew it had to like match up with the moment in a historical sense. And I'm really happy that was the line that that we landed on. But after that, on that short list, Travis would be Tiger again in 2019. Full circle. When he was given up for not being competitive again. And it came full circle. And now he's hugging his kids behind the 18th green, basically on the same spot where his dad had embraced him 22 years earlier. So beautiful, man. Now that's what we are. We're storytellers. We're not we're not spewing stats. We're trying to tell people what's inside of their hearts and what this moment contextually means. And I happen to be at both of those. I call that one the return to glory because his kids had never seen him be the champion golfer that he that he was like we knew him. And I saw them behind the 18th green. I was told earlier today they were not on property, but they were. And I just thought what a gift to have them see their father, you know, have this encore performance. And I just kept thinking of the word glory as this was all playing out. And when he knocked in the last putt, I just said not with a lot of exclamation almost soulful, because he had been through the long road back. And I just said, return to glory. It felt like it that moment. But I was on that short list. And the last one I would say would be Rory last year, the career grand slam, the the ups and downs, the wild Odyssey ride he put us on Sunday when he won it, lost it, double bogey, the first hole nearly shanked at 13. Like what's going on here? And then to rally and win it and apply off over Rosie. Storybook stuff. Those are four iconic. Absolutely iconic. I think the 86 one came across my Instagram feed the other day. And there was a moment where the shark Norman is just like taking the deepest breath on 18 before his his approach shot. And you can tell man that there's nothing like that tournament. You're incredible at what you do, Jim. And that's why you get to ask to do all these things. And that's why people remember you and have such affection for it. Because you're remarkable. You're the best play by play person of this generation. I was thinking about this at the Easter service this week. You know, you do at times, no matter who you are, particularly when you're a performer. And you guys are performers. You have all kinds of things that that can work against you. You know that you have you have doubters. Like we all have enough doubt to deal with on our own. But you have people that are second guessers who are critics, who don't understand how hard it is to perform on a moment's notice. You're trying your best. And sometimes we fail. Sometimes the words come out upside down, or you don't capture something quite crystal clear as you should. But everybody's got an opinion. And you know, you learn how to deal with that noise. Yeah, yeah. I know we all make it because it's personal. So we feel like there are a lot of people at times against us. And it's not reality. No, it's just sometimes these louder voices that are maybe on social media, or just plainly in the media, you know, we deal with media too. We got all kinds of television critics out there, whether they're social, or whether they're in electronic or print, whatever. But yeah, you learn to deal with it. And like, you know, I was a little kid, I never thought about, I'm gonna have to like, have people that are telling me, I'm not any good, or somebody's better. And I never thought about that. I was thinking about playing. I didn't realize there'd be that noise. And there is a learning curve for that. And, you know, I'm, you listen, I've had to deal with it for 40 years. And I think I've handled it well. And just I've tried my best to be the person that I am. And not let that sully what otherwise has been a dream life. And you guys, I hope realize that same thing, whatever noise you hear, it's insignificant. Oh, yeah. It's all, it all goes away. And when, when, when life goes on, and you guys get to be my age and older, and you're still going to be doing whatever you're doing, I'm sure at a very high level, that bust is going to be sitting there in Canton, long past you both as, you know, being on the planet. If that bust is going to be there, the criticism or the noise, that's all, that's all in material, it's history. You're going to, you built a life in other realms too. Your families, look what you've done to make your family proud. I get the biggest rise out of seeing how much your parents enjoy what you both are doing, and how you both have supported one another. That's where I'm coming from. I appreciate that. Family to me, you know, it's everything. I was playing a video the other day of my kids were young, and I'm way off on a tangent here. I love it though. This is good stuff. Yeah, please keep going. I was telling my kids about something, it was from four years ago, and I was three years ago, and I said, family is love, and love is family. And if you're surrounded, you understand the world is like that, and I think you guys do. I mean, I see it from the outside. I see that love in your own circles. Oh yeah. Yes. Jason, the amazing life that you and your family have built, Travis, what you're building, and starting right there with your mom and dad, and what you've done to make Cleveland, specifically Cleveland Heights proud, that love, man, that nurturing got you to where you are. I had the same thing. It's the best. Hello, friends. I want my dad to hear me. You've been gone 18 years. I got chills right now, thinking about it. I just want to make him proud. And that's when I say my feet hit the floor in the morning, and I have gone through my ritual. One of those things with gratitude is just saying I want to make people proud. It's the best. And I'm going to do a gusser this week. I'm going to give it my all. Oh, you're going to make everyone proud. And I just hope I can make people proud. The people that are my family, who I love and love his family. Well, make sure I come up to you and pinch you so you know you're not dreaming big guy. I know it's when it comes to me from behind. I want to get back to the ground. Look, I'll know what you when I'm playing in a big game and when or when or lost. You know, Jason's been at a lot of the big games. My family has been at every big game in my life. And those moments where you come out of that game and you see the ones that are there to support you. You see the ones that have been on this journey with you your entire life. And you see where it's gotten to. It's the most beautiful thing that I could have ever asked for in my life is the fact that I have that much support from family and friends. And I remember the funniest one was coming up from that Buffalo game where Jason jumped out of the suite and jumped back in the suite. I come up to the suite at the end of the game to celebrate my friends and family. And Jason has his shirt off still. Tony and I covered that game. Of course, you know it very well. Yeah. You caught a couple of tannies. You're right there at Inzo and you caught one. You looked up at him. But no one you got that much support and you make your family and your loved ones that much that happy when they're when you're playing and they get that much excitement out of seeing you doing what you love the most. It's the it's the best man. And I hear you on that man the gratitude and getting to be able to do what we love and all that makes it makes it all worth it man. You know the odds for what you guys have accomplished just that's again that gets back to that whole pinch me thing. But the odds of even being able to make it to the NFL. I mean, everybody thinks that plays it at Division one level thinks it's going to happen. You couldn't tell me Jason that even with the one star connected to our names on all the high school recruiting. I didn't even have a star zero stars. I had the picture of me was that black silhouette. You know what I mean? Yeah, it is a pinch me moment whenever we look back at that. And you know our families have been so uniquely blessed to share and all these experiences together. And then to make other families along the way and all the friends and not like anything else. You always accomplish things through the help and guidance with other people and the teams who've been on the coaches we've been we've had along the way you mentioned something earlier Jim about people infusing belief and I've said this before I think belief is the greatest thing you can give another human being for exactly what you're saying there's so much you know in your own head that you can build up without and in nerves and things when somebody gives you that gift it just it gives you the power to overcome all the little things that really don't mean anything and I just love that so much. I do want to ask you do you have a welcome to broadcasting moment you talked about the nerves of that first masters at 26 years old is there something that happened maybe young in your career that was like all right I'm finally doing this thing. Well before I got the CBS I was you know I was on the Houston golf team but I was I was I was not as passionate about trying to be a professional golfer nor did I have the skill level nowhere close as I was you know the boyhood dream was the broadcasting thing but I started working in the business when I was 20 for the CBS affiliate in Houston the fourth largest market in the country I was the weekend fill in sports anchor but it mounted to a lot of like anchoring the sports broadcast on the like 10 or 11 o'clock news whichever time zone you're in you know what I'm talking about and I was still living in the dorms and so I was still living with all my my my golf guys I mentioned before and and that was I knew that I was as far as like where I am with my age group being on a CBS station at 20 while I was still in college was rare I was very fortunate but then with the graduation I got an opportunity to be hired by the CBS affiliate in Salt Lake City at KSL and with that I got to do the Utah Jazz Games so I was 23 and I was in the NBA calling NBA and I was the play-by-play announcer for BYU the Cougs yeah they won the national championship in 1984 and I was doing their games with Steve Young oh my gosh who had graduated a couple years before and was playing in the USFL for the LA Express oh my gosh so we're doing a game in Provo and the booth where we broadcast from the Cougar Stadium was so small they've had us record our on camera opening on the field so we knocked that out we jumped in the press elevator for the start of the show a few minutes later and the elevator blew a fuse and for a quarter and a half we the elevator didn't move oh my are you kidding me meanwhile the game goes on the show goes on they ran a scroll at the bottom of the screen that says we are experiencing audio difficulties yeah you have no announcers that's an audio difficulty that's quite the difficulty yeah yeah yeah just randomly who if used and then it started back up and we rejoined the broadcast with about six minutes to go and a half that was a terrifying moment I can remember if you talked to Steve ever about it to this day you know we were starting to get claustrophobic to say the least and it was a tiny panel you can knock it out I could lift them up if we wanted to and he could try to get out of the elevator shaft we decided that was not a good idea that could have presented but later the game a long-term career in San Francisco but anyway we we uh we had that moment and then lo and behold after two years two and a half years in Utah I got a call from a producer at CBS named Ed Goran who later became the president of Fox Sports great friend of mine to this day he said we've been taping your shows for the last month and you're one of five finalists for an opening at CBS Sports I thought it was a prank call I thought it was one of my college buddies they knew they knew this was my goal this can't be true come on I said come on give it up but the next day I was on a plane to New York and I was auditioning in the CBS Broadcast Center against the likes of Roy Firestone who was a famous broadcaster had this up-close show on ESPN the great James Brown and I ended up winning the audition and within a couple of weeks I was on the air being introduced by Brent Musburger holy cow well thank god that uh that elevator got working do you take the stairs now do you make sure that doesn't happen is that you are one of one brother I can't tell you what an honor it has been to listen to you share these stories what honor it's going to be to watch you do your 41st masters you've officially surpassed the amount of balls Rory had to hit congratulations we're all looking forward to it thank you for having me on I really truly I was so appreciative to get the invite to come on the week of the masters and it would mean a lot to me if even it was just a minute if I had a chance to express how much I appreciate both of you in person and this particular podcast being a guest this week down in Augusta Jason good luck with that by the way I know you're going to be great have a have a wonderful time I'm here anything I can do to help you have any advice like what's the advice here yeah I mean it's my first time I've been to find your role for me it's going to be the interviewer interviewer of players and friends and family I'm kind of going to be boots on the ground just talking in between holes and stuff there's two things you're going to focus on here okay virtually everybody in that field is going to have a caddy that's special to them and more likely it's going to be a family member a child a daughter or even a wife yes so one is what was that experience like yeah and two is how do you feel about your game going into the tournament that's all you need to ask perfect now maybe somebody knocks a hole in a hole in one and you might ask them about that but I think people want to know what the week looks like for them and what that experience was like out on the part three tournament it's unique we don't see anything like that the rest of the year you don't need to dig much deeper than that this is a feel good event yes and you're going to be you're going to be the right guy to do that I got a third one Jason don't forget keep your shirt on goes without saying goes without saying yes a classy event Jason thank you so much for hopping on with this thank you brothers I appreciate you both that dude was epic man the best it's I mean the wisdom and like the emotion that he's in the way he's able to tell a story I feel so dumb trying to talk to him gosh dang he is the best though and he mentioned the production meetings even in the production meetings like it's just there's something about Jim that is just second and none the way he the way he articulates and listens ask questions it's like the elegance I thought about that before with like rich eisen like talking to him like some of these guys that just are so good on television they have a way of conversing and and you know saying things even just in regular ordinary life that just to Gretta it's awesome man and that was fucking a dream come true right there man getting Jim Nance on this thing right before the masters man right before the masters let's go baby Jason can you do the honors already our guest today is a six foot golfer out of Dardanelle Arkansas I believe that's right he's the 1991 PJ Ture rookie of the year he's got five PJ tour wins two time major champion and he won the 2021 PNC championship with his son and he was Travis Kelsey's co-star and happy Gilmore too I wasn't a star he was a star please welcome the one and only John second John how we doing brother let's fucking go as he cracks one man oh man that's what I love right there man hell yeah hell yeah brother how we doing doing great how you guys doing living the dream doing good getting fired up yeah yeah uh Travis golfing this past week we're getting geared up for the masters I'm sure you are as well where you at right now you got you're in your RV me and honor my girl we just we left Sunday night from up in California we're just about just outside of Tallahassee we're almost home in Clearwater oh nice man nothing wrong with a little like road trip man god I haven't been on one of those in a while man fucking loving man I was just up in abandoned dunes actually up in uh northern uh well Oregon not necessarily north of Cal but up in Oregon man and that's a little bit of a different place man the views out there are insane but I'm not gonna lie I'm a bougie golfer now man I don't like to walk that much I don't love walking that much and that's a that's a hell of a terrain too so I was I was kind of that was a fucking workout man that's why I got ADA my body's too screwed up the freaking walk anymore I'm gonna do a game really golf course that's what I was saying they gotta get some fucking golf carts out there man we got the masters this couple this is amazing the master's coming up you gotta come see me at Augusta I'll be at the the restaurant and bar called Top Dog Top Dog man I can't wait to have a beer with you over there here you guys up some merch we'll drink some John Dele good boy smoke some John Dele cigars I'm gonna fill with some John Dele mama loose spice so here we go I'm gonna get it drink it on my fries does sound like a good time right there sign me very in on that we're definitely we're all going to Augusta what what makes this tournament so special in your eyes John well it's the only major that never leaves home it's it stays in the same spot every year the other three move around and and it's Augusta it's it's I mean I don't know if you guys have played it with the all status you should have been able to no it's just a very special week you know I played in it for a lot of years and had a few good tournaments there but you know even when I was playing I was selling my merchandise it just gives me a chance to see the fans have a few cocktails sell some shit and yeah good time what are you hold on I got the little his right you got the Eagles cheerleader out there you just mentioned you interact with the fans I don't know that there's any golfer that I've seen that has been more connected with his fans than you what do you think it is about you that made that the case funny for me I always played for him and you know there's no skeletons in my closet I've never lied to him if I screw up I tell him I screw up and apologize and move on and they've been great to me you know it seems like everywhere I've been it's like a home field advantage you know what's you guys you know playing for the Eagles and that boy there and through three year contract great great fans but your egos man your egos man when you guys are down a little bit they they I've never seen fans let you know yeah yeah they let you know but that's I guess it's called loyalty I don't know but it's it's passion it's passion John you know it's passionate yeah you think you take that grip it and rip it uh philosophy into life too not just on the golf course sir oh yeah got yeah you know I believe caffeine nicotine protein the simple formula John I as one of the legendary drivers of the ball I'm trying to get better at golf right now I'm trying to break 80 got a long-term goal that I want to make happen this year I've realized I need to improve my long game in my short game the most I'm pretty good my irons what is the key to driving the ball like what it like what what were you what would be your main takeaways if you want to hit it longer and preferably straighter would you say or like your hard fast rules yeah well I mean for me it's low and slow and you finish the backswing but in golf I mean people always ask me how they hit it further well if you hit your best drive the best you can hit it that's pretty much as far as you're going to hit it now the good thing is it's like you guys practicing football every day every day consistency you know you get your patterns down you get your plays down it's consistency and the more you're consistent with that the better you're going to be but if you want to break 80 get your ass out and hit 100 yard shots in and work on your button and chipping because that's what sure that's what we get it done for you steal those strokes yeah he's got a fucking he's got a goddamn kfc uh potato wedge as a putter man it's it's like he just went to the local uh putt putt and just grabbed that thing out of the back he's got to get up to modern day man I don't know what he's doing with his putter you know those old bullseye putters that's what I got I got a bullseye well those are really good for fast greens but I don't know what greens you put on but you need to probably get a heavier putter like a big like a bit nardy or something like that a real heavy putter that'll help you short stroke and make a lot more putts okay that's a good tip I'm gonna take that one I'm already on a chance this guy's fucking trash yeah baby Johnny I'm gonna take you back to 91 man when you won the pga championship I just wanted to ask man you were the ninth alternate going in it to to win the whole thing is that correct yeah man that's crazy did you know going into that tournament that you were gonna have like a really good chance to win it or was it where you just kind of like happy to be there what was the mindset going into that one well I was just happy to get in and you know back then I made 162 grand I kept my card for 92 you make 162 grand on pj2 or you're working in a grocery store somewhere it's like groceries but I had a pretty decent year the golf course just fit my eye I could fly all the trouble and the reason I got in Nick Price uh Sue had the baby and um I got it last and um but anyway he asked me if squeak a catty for him I said hell yeah I love for squeak the catty for me and uh that's awesome squeak you the hell of a job it was a blur because I didn't get a practice round we just went in first round second third that's so crazy that was wild oh my gosh grip it and rip it baby what else do you need to do you're worried about trying to fucking hit your drive straight just fucking hit it at what point did you know you were gonna be a legit professional golfer like is how wouldn't you start playing and at what point was it like oh man I'm pretty damn good at this I started when I was four and probably around 16 years old I just said this is what I want to do I'm fat I'm flat foot I can't run so football basketball is out I was a pretty good pitcher I guess I could have pitched but you know I'd have to play on a major team where the pitcher doesn't hit which I think that would be the american league is that right american league they don't have I think it's both now but yeah I hear you back then I think it was just the natural league pitchers that hit but right but no I was just too slow flat footed and I feel like I had pretty good balance in my golf game because I'm so flat footed but I just got a strike bit when I was 16 I said this is what I want to do I will say that man dude the swing is obviously one of the smoothest of all time man and the how much how much you get on your backswing is so impressive man it's like you're getting to the other side of your head almost and for big guys like us like the shoulders just don't allow us to get to that point man so it's like you're like an anomaly in this world of like guys with big shoulders that can't get their swing all the way back there is just I don't I don't even know where I'm going with I just fucking love the goddamn swing man you guys are always pumping and you're getting so strong here you're more well you need to stay flexible because you catch it Jay you had to block those boys man you had to be strong yep it's tough because you get so tight you can't get the club back but like you know quarterbacks pitchers hockey players they're so flexible they can they can take the club back but yeah you just gotta you just gotta find your your consistent drive and see how far it goes and just work on that because that's all you can do and I mean I used to be able to hit it a long way and now you know my drives in the 90s sound like atomic bombs I don't even want to tell you what they sound like now no get out of here I know you're still cracking it dude you what was what was your furthest drive back in the like what's your furthest drive back in the day on tour I'm not sure how far but I I think the longest I ever saw was somebody hit at 420 I think I had one like 399 for 100 but I guess I'm saying that was back with that technology what do you think realistically if you were still in your prime with the balls today and the drivers today what do you think you'd be hitting it'd be scary I mean we can we've me and Jack Nicklaus have talked about that just thank you he was really long just thank you technology went up to when I was playing I don't know it's hard to say I know that I hit over 300 ball speed way before that when Bryce was driving through the god damn it was me he kept getting 198 190 90 couldn't get there I said hey dude I did it 10 times in a row you'll get there with a lot of ball on a freaking 32 832 being urban king driver what you need to do is you need to unart your feet you got to get more balanced you need more flat foot into the ground you're way too you're way too your arches are yeah exactly the arches you're just not made for it dude how cool is it seeing your son John daily the second man how cool is this seeing him making his pga tour debut and seeing him kind of follow your footsteps and everything I believe he went to Arkansas I feel like I always see him with some Arkansas gear on yeah yeah he's this is his last semester fifth year senior the team is really good they think they're fourth or fifth in the country so yeah he hits it about 50 past me now but he still can't out chip haha yeah we can see when I one arm him and I one arm chipping me he's got two hands out he gets so mad at me did your son ever push back on golf advice if he's anything like trap trap my dad would try and coach him up in baseball and stuff like that he never wanted to hear any of what's what's John the second like with golf advice you'll listen to everybody but me say where it goes it's the same it's the father something now but you know if I see see him doing something wrong I'll watch him a few tournaments off tell coach there you go yeah and little John will go uh dad coach really helped me he told me I had to get the ball okay that's awesome I'm glad he's helping out a lot like the NC of tiger and Charlie are playing Charlie are listening to me when's the first time he actually beats you in a round uh oh let's see probably about four or five years ago oh wow yeah he's going in the college yeah right when he's like 16 that's amazing there you go man that's how you know that's what you what you should be doing in life right there when you're beating a pro I saw that little baby girl yours jay's behind you what hey she's gonna be beating you in golf pretty soon too just trust me so I want to get her out there hey she don't got it ain't gonna be very hard she might be able to beat me right now I don't even have a flexible shoulders you famously said once uh talking about your pre-round routine that you hit balls for maybe 20 minutes put a little bit uh smoked four or five cigarettes and then you drink three diacokes and you go in for the first tea uh some days I won't even go to the range is that still the case I just smoked cigarettes and I like looking at putting green or practicing get away from the putting green you feel like at this point in your career you can kind of just see the tint of or like the color of the green and like the layout of it and get a good feel for it just off of like putting your eyes on it yeah and we play you know I play two to three programs a week too so it's not like I'm not gonna know the golf course oh okay yeah gotcha so it's uh you know it's it's there I play enough during the week that you know I need to go hit balls or beat balls all the time anymore my body can't hold up to it anyway 12 surgeries bladder cancer the last you know eight years so yeah um you know if I went out and hit 20 putts I gotta sit down have a cigarette a diacoke or a John E. Good boy here we go get up 20 minutes do it again when we're young you get hit a thousand putts without no problem at all but I'm old if I knew I was gonna live to be this fucking old I'd have taken worse care of that you think there's a there's a bit of like trying too hard and putting in too much work in that regard like like trying to fix it too much or especially like in between rounds well I think it's what you guys did after a game you know you gotta have that day that night off and then go go back at it your body's tired you get frustrated especially when you're tired but everybody's different you know I'm a guy that I've been you know gifted very natural ability very flexible that I didn't have to beat a lot of balls but I worked my ass off on my short game 150 yards in I'd beat balls every day for that but that's where you score but no everybody's a little different I mean you know and these guys are working out they're getting hurt they're hurt themselves working out too hard you know they're not they don't need to be like you guys you got to do it to be man-on-man and football but God you just want to keep your flexibility you want to be able to do what you can do and don't push it too hard guys are getting back problems and pumping weight too long and shit when I grew up man it was like let's go play god I'm gonna say you ever see a weight room growing up no I'm gonna open up John Daily Jim Lazio the treadmill astray cup holder drink holder porn on tv and top of the switcher I'll put them on by fitness 24 hey I'll get a membership to that right now oh man yearly membership I do think you're on to something no because it's that way in football sometimes guys put in so much work and they get so meticulous with everything their diet weightlifting and they forget that you're there's a it's not a formulaic thing you can try and make it that way but at the end of the day there is an art to it and there's a freedom that you need to play with as well and if you try and be a robot out there it just like it doesn't work in football and I know like golf you would think there's less factors and maybe you can be more robotic but I bet there is a similarity there where you can't allow that to overtake your mental approach to the game yeah I mean we're the only sport that the boundaries change every day you know yeah we're not playing the same field we're you know even if it's the same golf course tee boxes they change tee boxes they move them up back green the pins are changed you got OBS you got hazards that come into play but you know it's it's it's just a brutal game man it's and people don't realize it does take a toll on your body like I don't work out I put out but it's taking it's taking the toll on my game and on my body and right people they go it's such an easy sport yes there's a lot of a pussy for bullshit this is a man-on-man it's every part of your body's got to work and when you're repetitionally hitting that many balls it's no different than you guys what you guys do it's it's brutal on the body no doubt I get more sore playing golf than I ever did sometimes at practice I go out there you're walking a court like bunch of hills are going up and down you hit a bunch of and trust I'm over a hundred strokes sometimes John I'm using all of oh my god right so it gets within 50 yards and starts playing ping pong in the green man the funniest line was from Brett Farver I'm playing with him in the pro am in Memphis in August it's 125 degrees we're on the 15th oh you go you know what Bailey I'd really have a 350 pound lineman just run my ass over right now seriously I'll take one in as opposed to four hours of it yeah man no doubt I was gonna say golf's having a like a surge of the century like everybody's getting into the game nowadays and it feels like you're seeing more and more content everybody wants to have some sort of golf show because of how fun the game is and also just how like you can the banter in between is it's very it's a it's a game you can comment on and a game that you can you can act within it's it's like everybody has these new shows and everything do you do you like how the game has been growing or is this starting to get kind of like I don't know it's sidetracked from what the game really is supposed to be oh I love it I mean you know the only thing the only downfall is is everybody hits a 320 now it's a 350 that's not a downfall but you know I I look at kids growing up playing golf now all they want to do is go to drive and arrange and beat a driver 320 yards but a hundred yard chip shot they're missing the green they're duffing it they're not you know doesn't matter how far you hit it but if you ain't got a short game what's the use it's like having a quarterback they can't call an audible and throw a screen oh I see I see you big dog you need that guy you need that guy to be able to get some if you gotta sniff out that defense man I'm telling you yeah it's the fucking play no I hear you we actually we got a little note in here about your your high school kicker days oh yeah okay he's talking we got we got a life's high school a life's crusader jeff city Missouri what nice hell yeah so you were so were you like you were right on the border there or well sure about 35 miles south of Columbia nice I'm yeah I'm familiar but that's where you went to high school so you you grew up in Arkansas then went to high school in Jefferson city yeah well I went my sophomore and junior year I finished my last semester my senior year in Arkansas but uh yeah I was there for a couple years but now we went to state we had our first perfect season at 10 and 0 since 57 we won our first playoff game in St. Charles they were just too fast was it just kick I could throw it but I couldn't run I could punt it thank god I didn't have to run but I did the pump passing kicks when I was young and your coach oh yeah forget big red baby so they were saying he looked as big as you jason hey he looked like he was playing for the Rams at LA Rams at that point yeah he's such an awesome coach I love him but uh yeah I went to the pump passing kick ways and uh when I was eight superdome opened up at 74 and the first person I met was Archie Manning how about it and I was talking about a man that if he ever had a good offensive line they he could have done something but um it was great meeting him and and you know just getting into the I love football football is my passion um like I said flat footed and I straight on I can't get barefooted right on the nose man that was what I was gonna ask because I know you golf barefooted were you a barefoot kicker as well yeah I could kick it a lot further I just kick it off my big toe that's so good but I got something that a lot of kickers didn't get look up the 1992 all mad kicker team what okay were you on it look at that I was the uh John Madden hated kickers and we were at uh we were out doing the money knives Frank Gifford held the ball for me and on Monday night football in San Francisco and I kicked the 45 yarder 40 yarder and cut Madden was out there he goes okay I like you son and you slept me on the 1992 all madden team that's that's so fucking good man that's my only one of the five thing I can say bro that's one of the that's one of the most like awarded things as a player because John obviously Madden was like the mecca of or like the best in the entire football world like he's our like savior in this world so to get that uh get that nod that's pretty fucking dope but that's crazy dude the 1992 I think I'm lining up a putt or something I the card that it has is a 1992 all mad team I think I'm lining up a putt I can't remember what the card looks like but it's pretty cool I gotta get that heck yeah do you have a welcome to golf moment like welcome to the PGA moment welcome to the PGA I think would be probably winning the PGA you know most of the time I could hit it kind of long and I'd have a you know the group I'm playing with assigned carrying about five people watching me hit it then they go watch somebody else back in the day but uh yeah the PGA of America was probably I didn't realize what I did until I got to Colorado the next week it was like 12,000 people sitting there waiting for it like like you guys just went super ball y'all have honors about but kind of felt like that like couldn't breathe you know it was really weird that's crazy man I believe that's awesome story man well John D man we appreciate the time we appreciate the stories um can't wait to run up on that uh that fitness center you're just talking about and get a subscription for the year uh but we appreciate you dog thank you for uh jumping on with this big guy we got it I'll get y'all's address send you a bunch of these beautiful good boys please do please I'll send you cigars and I'll send you some of my mama lose uh seasoning here put on everything is there there a site there a site everybody can uh jump on to go grab that stuff or yeah well good boy you just go to goodboy.com you see the John Daly uh the cigars JohnDalySugar.com and mama lose just go to John Daly's seasoning hell yeah but I'll I'll send you guys yeah we'll throw we'll throw those links in the uh in the episode too man where you at down in august as well because we're gonna make sure we run at you what what bar did you say again I'll be there from this saturday to next saturday love it so all right perfect top dog dog don't forget it top dog top dog don't don't don't don't don't seem like a top golf kind of guy you seem like a top dog kind of guy. So I know what's August has been is really regarded for like the food and everything around there the pimento cheese sandwich and also what are the must what we're going there this week we've been before to the to the major but what should we what are the must-dos if you go to the uh the masters as a spectator. Well the practice rounds are the best because you can yeah you won't be able to take your phone in and all that stuff they take your phone so you just leave it somewhere um yeah but you can see the guy's practice that's what's really cool that's cool okay and um but the best place to be is going to be a top dog just on martin road just before you go back in the training there big listen you already know i'm gonna say i'm gonna eat real clean this week just so i can get out there to august and have a few of those uh those uh big you count a bunch of that's what i'm talking about we'll get them in trust me hell yeah you're the man big guy we appreciate the time man you already know we'll see you we'll try to see you next week down there in august love you boys always watch you keep it going thank you to jim nance and john daily two of the most epic and like iconic men in uh in golf and man uh we're we're pretty fired up for the masters no one we're going down there man but it's just cool 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blasting a kid's show the other day yeah checking first is smart so check allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds you're in good hands with allstate potential savings vary subjects the terms conditions and availability allstate north american insurance company and affiliates north brook illinois all right now it's been a minute since we've dipped into the no dumb questions bag so let's uh take a minute to dive into one all right this edition of no dumb questions is brought to you by apple one of our favorite companies out there because it's every device that i have around me all right here we go what side of tiktok are you on oh my i don't understand what this is yeah i'm confused on this as well it's a voice it's a voicemail it's a voicemail i'll play it i'll play it i'll play it but what does it mean what side of tiktok are you on tiktok's on voicemails the questions of voicemail jeez but we was the prompt from us what side of tiktok are you on we just play the question it's gonna make sense i promise so i have a question i always wonder what side of tiktok people are on so that's my question what side of tiktok are y'all on that is not related to you guys i mean currently i'm on the side of tiktok that doesn't watch tiktok i only post on tiktok i don't uh scroll tiktok she's asking if we're pro tiktok or against tiktok no she's asking us she's basically saying that there's an algorithmic thing that steers you into a certain type of content on tiktok and i think tiktok people understand what she's asking but neither of us being tiktok individuals i don't think you're gonna understand this question what's coming up on your feed is basically the question my algorithm on instagram reels right now is heavy golf content i mean i am getting there's this one guy dan grieve i think is his name grieves uh has a the the three releases i'm about to buy his book your helen but uh he's just getting an audio approach game advice you don't have enough time to sit down and read jason get it on audio well i mean audio book is still getting it on getting his book okay you're so painful um but uh yeah a lot of golf content um a lot of ai videos that i have to look at for a couple seconds to see if they're ai of course of course they were ai from the very beginning just you gotta get out early so you don't keep getting those fed to you man there's nothing i know this is ai but i'm gonna go through the comment section just to make sure that it's ai you're hilarious even though it's obviously ai um the ai videos are the worst man i know what mine are um rodeos guys getting slung off bulls uh otters as we all know there's always those like three or four like reels or just uh i don't know updates on what otters have been doing around the world and then just sports everything every sport you can think of highlights all over the fucking place um i got a lot of comedy like sketches like like little like comedy bits like stand-up bits that i come across all the time they see the same same the stand-up bits are always fucking entertaining to me um what else is in the algorithm surprisingly not as much football as you would think i mean i get my fix on football with just like my love for the game i think right now there's nothing there's no football being played that's a good point that's probably playing into it yeah i uh i'll get i'll get all that stuff just on like the threads and like conversations through like my like messages yeah yeah and we'll we'll shop that shop those posts around to each other more than we'll actually see it on the reels um if it has to do with sports it's probably on the algorithm and then comedy a bunch of shit i can just laugh at i'm looking through it right now i'm not getting a lot of i was big on billiards for a little bit oh still get some billiard stuff i mean any sports stuff is kind of free it kind of alternates probably a lot with the season which is why i'm getting golf right now and not a lot of football i get a lot of like do-it-yourself stuff ooh diy's yeah yeah a lot of like building cabins in the backyard yeah yep yep yeah carpenter work yeah that's i mean that's huge i love that shit i could sit there and watch that shit all fucking day there's actually there's some shit i gotta send it to you there's a youtube of like but it's like it's an hour long like it just shows these guys in the middle of like a jungle putting an entire like hotel suite with a pool they're making this all out of clay and fucking wood it's insane i'm more of a youtube deep dive and then like certain guys on that making stuff with like long form that i'll kind of try to get into once again this edition of no dumb questions was brought to you by apple all right the last thing before we wrap let's take a final look at the standings in the new hydracis bracket challenge shout out to the 92 percenters bracket real leaders we're recording this monday morning but right now here is what we got the women's winner which is over so this will be the winner is you see la man congrats to jenna dunkin ooh very fitting i don't real last name all right well you to go jenna winner of the women's bracket challenge and then the men's leaders it all comes down to the final it will either be connor or k more yes good luck to both of you guys connor came all whoever wins between uconn and michigan michigan looked real i'm not gonna lie once houston was out i thought arizona was gonna take it michigan i mean just jesus they are but uconn does have the juice too these are this is gonna be a fun game tonight i'm pumped new height staff updates uh men's jake has won the new heights men's bracket challenge once again he won it last year the loser is still erin uh who i mean in some ways did something nobody else thought possible so congratulations erin i'm not winning a single round of 32 game something that i still can't believe and uh the winner of women's is pj pj congratulations way to go uh and the loser is still travis despite his angling to somehow blame me for him losing to everybody in new heights's bracket no no no no i didn't say i blamed you for losing i said you cheated i didn't say i blame you for me losing you still lost to everybody else in the and i didn't cheat on the women's the women's i didn't actually didn't seek advice or change anything yeah you're right mama kelsey has weighed in she knows that i will exhaust every loophole possible she very conveniently did not call me a cheater though she did not say those words so listen we all know you're a cheater everybody in the comments in the post news they know that you're a cheater and i rest my case you're a cheater you if i have to do it you have to do it listen i will do it i will do it just because first of all being in a welfare house and trying that challenge sounds fun but i in no way cheated and i don't need to listen to a bunch of people who are fans of yours in the comment section accuse me that's not how i deserve an unbiased jury not the travis kelsey fan club being like oh yeah you did cheat jason no you must you must you must look at the comments most of the comments actually say that they are not fans of me and that they are huge fans of you and that they typically side with you on everything but you definitely cheated i cheated in no way i don't know what to tell these people they it's a good thing that our fans are not it's not judges yeah it's not an objective thing it is a subjective thing you cheated no it's objective that i did not cheat it is not subjective it is plain and apparent it's actually it's actually impossible to cheat in this because you hit submit and then your bracket is submitted so there's no way for me to have cheated unless games already happened cheater shout out to everyone that participated in this year's reese's and new heights bracket challenge we uh we actually love doing these things next year we're going to go into it with a lot more details knowing that some people like to bend the rules we will be emailing the winners after the men's and women's finals so please check your email after those games if you have won good luck to the games tonight already that's a wrap up of another episode of new heights thank you to jim dance and john dailey make sure you subscribe to the new heights channel on youtube or wherever you get your podcasts once again new heights a wonder show brought to you by atnt our favorite provider out there follow the show on all social media add new heights show with one s thanks to the new heights production team for always keeping us in line and then finishing on time and doing things the right way because it get a little crazy in this world thank you guys thank you all the 92 for tuning into this madness we'll see you guys down there in august if you're going gonna be fun hold up hold up i did do some research because we are are we doing the waffle house challenge that's what we're doing if that's what we can agree to we'll do it i don't know when we're gonna record that over in LA well there's no lm here brother probably do it down at august this week twist my arm i'll come to augusta what are you looking for i did a whole like calorie deep dive into um how many calories it would be to eat your way out of waffles okay and i cannot find it how many calories are in a waffle house waffle uh a standard waffles waffle contains 400 calories oh that was not the number i got what'd you get it was higher than that i know that all right well we can sidebar on this we're losing travis we're losing him where you didn't you're not watching i'm trying to keep going i'm gonna do the calories as the show goes you know the show ends when it spiritually ends it's not really uh you just wrap this episode i think let's wrap on out of here i will walk away from the computer come on jason god damn it we'll do this later people don't want to watch us do math