Listen to your favorite MS Now shows anytime as a podcast. Enjoy new episodes of Morning Joe, Deadline White House, and The Rachel Maddow Show. Every small D democratic muscle that we have is flexing. Plus the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell, the beat with Ari Melber, the weeknight, and more. On the go, wherever you get your podcasts. For ad-free listening to all of your favorite shows, subscribe to MS Now Premium on Apple Podcasts. The Lasso with Lawrence O'Donnell starts right now. Hey, Lawrence. Hey, Jen. To use an old saying, it seems hell has frozen over because I am about to say something positive about a king of England, which I have never done before, never expected to, but then came today. And so a King of England has finally earned some positive words for me and his speechwriters, his speechwriters, I will praise to the high heavens. I mean, I, before this speech today, I think said to our team of incredible producers, there's not going to be anything interesting out of this speech. It will be boring pablum. And I was wrong. And I'm happy to admit I was wrong. We talked about it, too. But I can't wait to see what you have to say about it. And, Jen, there's some fascinating ways in which he actually echoed his mother, who was the only other British monarch who ever spoke to a joint session. We're going to hear some of what she had to say, which in its way is a rebuke of Donald Trump from the grave. That certainly is. There was a you had to listen to hear it, but certainly a burn in there. And I didn't even know that. I'll be excited to watch and see what you play from her as well. We're going to get to it. Thanks, Jen. Thanks, Lawrence. Thank you. And so on this day in American history, a number became illegal. Or maybe just photographing that number became illegal. Or maybe seashells became illegal. It's hard to tell because the single most childish indictment in the history of federal law was revealed today by someone who proved himself to future historians to be the most incompetent head of the Justice Department in history, including two Nixon Republican attorneys general who were found guilty of crimes. Donald Trump's acting Attorney General Todd Blanche, who was Donald Trump's criminal defense lawyer, who got him 34 guilty verdicts, put his application to become Donald Trump's permanent attorney general in writing today in the form of an indictment of former FBI Director James Comey that makes the number you see over my shoulder at the moment, which I dare not say, a crime. If that number is placed in proximity to other numbers or probably, in fact, definitely the word Trump. And I am going to say the word Trump tonight, repeatedly. And to preserve one of the most important personal distinctions I have that makes me very different from Donald Trump, I'm not saying better, just different, the distinction that I have never been indicted, to preserve my never indicted status, I will never say that illegal number again, even though it was briefly my number as a tight end in high school before it was switched to number 81. NFL team lawyers must already be getting ready to take a position on the sidelines to make sure that anyone in the NFL with that number on his back is never beside anyone with this number on his back. Because if two NFL players stand beside each other with those two numbers on their backs, they can now be charged with committing the federal crime of threatening the life of the president of the United States. And if any college player or NFL player with that number that begins with eight ever tackles or in any way harms a player with that number that begins with four, that player is going to end up with the James Comey indictment, the two-count indictment, one of threatening the life of a president, and two, the second one, transmitting that threat through interstate electronic communication, which is to say a televised football game. Put those two numbers together in a televised football game, and you have that federal crime. That is life in the country that Donald Trump and his criminal defense lawyer turned acting attorney general now want you to live in. And into that country today stepped the King of England, who played an unprecedented part in another desperately humiliating day for Donald Trump's Washington. And for once, the king himself was not the humiliated one. No one humiliates Trump lawyers more than Donald Trump. And he could not have done more to humiliate the already humiliated Todd Blanche than he did today by getting the goofiest indictment America has ever seen out of Todd Blanche after literally years of Donald Trump urging the indictment of James Comey. And Donald Trump's humiliation today was delivered to him by his guest of honor, the King of England, who for the first time in my life made me feel something akin to gratitude to a British monarch and outright awe for his speechwriters. The speechwriters had the task of telling the truth in a chamber where half of the members applaud and cheer Donald Trump's pathological lies. And today, the King of England and his speechwriters had those same Republicans applauding sharp criticism and complete disagreement with Donald Trump. In the immediate aftermath of 9-11, when NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time, and the United Nations Security Council was united in the face of terror, we answered the call together, as our people have done so for more than a century, shoulder to shoulder, through two world wars, the Cold War, Afghanistan, and moments that have defined our shared security. Today, Mr Speaker, that same unyielding resolve is needed for the defence of Ukraine and her most courageous people. APPLAUSE It is needed in order to secure a truly just and lasting peace. Standing ovation from J.D. Vance, who has said, I don't care about Ukraine. Standing ovation from those Republicans. And now we know. We know you can get the Republicans in that room to applaud what reads like a Biden State of the Union address. you can get the Republicans in that room to applaud a speech that completely contradicts Donald Trump if the speech is delivered in a posh British accent. This was the day that I hope at least some high school kids were watching. American high school kids who have grown up in the dark shadow of Donald Trump. High school kids who in most of their lifetimes now have been living under a Donald Trump presidency, filled with uncouth public profanity and rank stupidity and an inability to simply read the words put in front of him by his speechwriters and skip the idiotic ad libs. My mother had a crush on Charles. Can you believe it? Amazing how I wonder what she's thinking right now. If you are a high school kid in America, I now have two King's speeches to recommend to you. First, the wonderful film about the King, who was a genuine inspiration to the British during World War II, titled The King's Speech. And today's speech by Charles, where he faithfully delivered every word his speechwriters gave him with no wise guy side comments, no threats of war crimes, no statement he could not support with facts. And most of all, with the kind of dignity that every previous American president either had or was able to do a reasonable imitation of in that room where Charles spoke today. You will not see an honest speech delivered from that podium again during this presidency. with Donald Trump threatening to destroy NATO. Charles said this. From the depths of the Atlantic to the disastrously melting ice caps of the Arctic, the commitment and expertise of the United States Armed Forces and its allies lie at the heart of NATO, pledged to each other's defense, protecting our citizens and interests, keeping North Americans and Europeans safe from our common adversaries. Donald Trump recently said, and these are his exact words, NATO is shameful. His vice president has said, I don't really care about what happens in Ukraine. And the Republican Party in that chamber today rose to their feet to applaud NATO and applaud support for Ukraine. And Charles was merely echoing his mother, the only other British monarch, ever to address a joint session of Congress, which she did in May of 1991. NATO too is adapting to the new realities in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union and to changing attitudes in the West Next it is Britain prime concern to ensure that the new Europe is open and liberal and that it works in growing harmony with the United States and the other members of the Atlantic community. All our history in this and earlier centuries underlines the basic point that the best progress is made when Europeans and Americans act in concert. We must not allow ourselves to be enticed into a form of continental insularity. Donald Trump wouldn't understand the word insularity, but that is Queen Elizabeth speaking against Donald Trump's insularity in his America First concept and his America Alone madness, as her son did today. I pray with all my heart that our Alliance will continue to defend our shared values with our partners in Europe and the Commonwealth and across the world. And that we ignore the clarion calls to become ever more inward-looking. Charles smiled through an appearance with Donald Trump at the White House before heading to the Capitol today. Then you're going over to Congress and you're going to make a speech that's going to make everybody very envious of that beautiful accent of yours. Very elegant. He's a very elegant man. That's all Donald Trump can hear. The accent. Donald Trump's listening comprehension is probably close to zero, so in a speech done with that accent, in a non-lecturing tone, Donald Trump doesn't know when he is being rebuked. The US Supreme Court Historical Society has calculated that Magna Carta is cited in at least 160 Supreme Court cases since 1789, not least as the foundation of the principle that executive power is subject to checks and balances. Thank you. on Donald Trump written into our Constitution thanks to the inspiration of the British, while Donald Trump, in every day of his presidency, finds a way to try to violate those checks and balances, to try to destroy those checks and balances. And here's Charles rebuking Donald Trump's patently insane claim that climate science is a hoax. Even as we celebrate the beauty that surrounds us, our generation must decide how to address the collapse of critical natural systems, which threatens far more than the harmony and essential diversity of nature. We ignore at our peril the fact that these natural systems, in other words, nature's own economy, provide the foundation for our prosperity and our national security. Thank you. Thank you. studies those words more closely than the rest of us, with a full understanding of the King's speechwriter's surgical precision, found what he believes is a reference to the Epstein survivors in the King's speech, a reference that was confirmed to him from a source close to the King's speechwriters. Charles has shunned his younger brother, Andrew, and removed his titles this year after the release of the Epstein files deepened our understanding of Andrew's friendship with the sex trafficker and raper of children Jeffrey Epstein, who was Donald Trump's closest friend for 10 years. Virginia Giuffre accused Andrew of sexual assault, which Andrew has denied. Virginia Giuffre took her own life last year. And her brother was one of the people who was hoping to meet with Charles, along with Epstein's survivors, during this royal visit to the United States. Like Donald Trump, Charles refuses to meet with Jeffrey Epstein's survivors. But according to Jack Royston's reporting in Newsweek today, this line you're about to hear was meant as an acknowledgment of what the Epstein survivors have endured. In both of our countries, it is the very fact of our vibrant, diverse, and free societies that gives us our collective strength, including to support victims of some of the ills that so tragically exist in both our societies today. In his reporting today, Jack Royston quotes a royal aide saying that that line was about the Epstein survivors. Quote, It was certainly in His Majesty's mind to acknowledge victims of abuse, so they are naturally incorporated in this line. It's not much. In fact, it is very, very little. It couldn't be smaller. It's the smallest and most indirect acknowledgement of the Epstein survivors suffering that the speechwriters could have come up with. But it's something. It is more than Donald Trump has ever said about them. Charles's fifth great-grandfather was the king of England during the American Revolution. King George lost his mind during his rule. He was literally insane, which was dramatized in the wonderful 1991 play by the British playwright, Alan Bennett, titled The Madness of George III. And here we are, 250 years after the madness of King George III helped drive the American colonies into revolution against the crown. And when Charles became the first British king to address the Congress today, he found the madness on this side of the Atlantic. Senator Gary Peters, who was in the House chamber today for the King's speech, will join us next. As President Trump continues implementing his ambitious agenda, follow along with the MSNOW newsletter, Project 47. You'll get weekly updates sent straight to your inbox with expert analysis on the administration's latest actions and how they're affecting the American people. The American people are basically telling the president that they are not OK with any of this. Sign up for the Project 47 newsletter at ms.now slash project 47. The Reuters poll today shows the lowest approval rating ever recorded for Donald Trump in that poll at 34%. And a significant number of Republican voters who don't support Donald Trump's war in Iran apparently might include his Republican Vice President James David Vance. The Atlantic is reporting. In closed-door meetings, J.D. Vance has repeatedly questioned the Defense Department's depiction of the war in Iran and whether the Pentagon has understated what appears to be the drastic depletion of U.S. missile stockpiles. Two senior administration officials told us that the vice president has queried the accuracy of the information the Pentagon has provided about the war. He has also expressed his concerns about the availability of certain missile systems in discussions with President Trump. Several people familiar with the situation told us at least some of the sources for the Atlantic's reporting are people close to Vice President Vance who would like you to know that the future candidate for president does not support Donald Trump's war, but he doesn't want to be caught saying that publicly. quote vance's advisors who spoke with us on the condition of anonymity told us that the vice president has presented his concerns as his own rather than accusing hegseth or kane of misleading the president vance is trying the advisors suggested to avoid making this personal or to create divisions in trump's war cabinet some of vance's confidants however believe that hegseth's portrayal has been so positive as to be misleading. Joining us now is Democratic Senator Gary Peters of Michigan. He's a ranking member of the Senate Homeland Security Committee and a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Senator, thank you very much for joining us tonight. I want to get to your assessment about what you have heard from Pete Hexeth, along with what might be the vice president's assessment of that. But let's begin with what you heard in that chamber today with the King managing to get Republicans on their feet in standing ovations for lines that could have been taken from Joe Biden State of the Union addresses You absolutely right It was quite striking to see the applause that we were getting from the other side. One that really struck me, and you mentioned it in the opening, as when he talked about the checks and balances in the system. I mean, it is it's clear that there is no checks and balances when it comes to Republican members of Congress. Our founders were not really, they didn't trust any of us. They believed that all three branches had to compete with each other to make sure they kept a check on everybody. They expected Congress to be the most effective check on the president. They always thought Congress was the preeminent of the three branches, Article I, and that Congress folks would never really cede their power to an executive, but that's exactly what we've been seeing when it comes to the power of the purse, when it comes to war powers. You can't get Republicans that are willing to step up and actually check those powers, unlike anything we have seen throughout the history of this country. And so to have them stand up and actually applaud, I'm like, where did these individuals come from? And I also appreciated the fact that he was trying to bring us together to strengthen NATO and understand that we are stronger when we are all united. And the long history that the U.K. has had with the United States for 200-plus years, and all during that time, we stood close with our ally. We understood that when we come together with other European countries as well, that we are stronger, and that NATO has been really a preeminent force in maintaining peace for decades. And they stood up for it, but you certainly would not expect that, given the rhetoric that we hear from Congress and certainly the comments that we hear from President Trump on a nearly daily basis. So Charles's mother, Elizabeth, in her address to the joint session in 1991, which is in May, just this time of year, she directly praised the president of the United States, George H.W. Bush, and praised him specifically for the joint effort that the British made with then President Bush in pushing Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. So this was the first Gulf War in which the British joined as allies in the American effort to push Saddam out of Kuwait. And she was very positive about the British contribution, about that. Nothing like that today while Donald Trump's war is going on. No, absolutely. Because there can't be. The president never reached out to our allies. Well, he never reached out to the American people. If he's not reaching out to the American people, he's not going to reach out to allies. But in the past, as you've known, you mentioned what happened with President Bush. But the U.K. has always stood side by side with the United States in conflict. It is one of our strongest allies. But if you don't try to bring your ally into a conflict that you believe is absolutely critical for world stability, don't expect them to be there for us. And in fact, you know, if you look at public opinion polls in these countries, I was recently in both Sweden and in Italy. And both of those countries, based on our embassy, the public opinion of the United States, our approval rating is less than 20 percent. Over 80 percent of these longtime allies say that you can't trust the United States. You don't know if we're going to be a friend that will actually stand with them. And we're no longer a world leader. All of the goodwill that we have seen for so many years that we have built up with our allies is disappearing and is fraying on a daily basis because of one guy, Donald Trump. So when you hear you've got your Republican colleagues there today, they're standing with you, they're cheering with you for checks and balances on the president. They're cheering for support for Ukraine. They're cheering for these lines that if spoken by Joe Biden, they would ignore them. They might even heckle him. What is it? How are we supposed to know what they actually think? is it just the accent that got them clapping today? I don't know. But, you know, I think, you know, one thing and actually the king mentioned, he quoted that you can't judge somebody by their words. You can only judge them by their actions. And so clearly the actions of what we have seen by my colleagues, my Republican colleagues in the in the Congress speak louder than them standing up and clapping. I like to see that. But I'd love to actually see action and actually have them actively engaged in pushing back when the president usurps powers that was granted to the people's house, to the United States Congress. They don't do that. I've also found that many of my colleagues have a lot more courage when I'm in the elevator with them. And they may say comments about the president, something that they don't particularly agree with. But then when the elevator door opens, they will talk their talking points. So I call it elevator courage. I would stop. I want to stop seeing elevator courage. I want to see real courage where you stand up and push back and understand that our constitutional system does not work if there are not checks and balances. And I'm very fearful for what's going to happen in the future if this continues down this course. But, you know, ultimately, we know the ultimate check, the checks and balances. And according to Thomas Jefferson, for example, said the ultimate check is the people. So it is really ultimately about elections. And you you put on the approval rating earlier. It's an incredibly low number. The key thing now is for the American people to turn out in huge numbers during the midterm and send the strongest signal possible that we need to have checks and balances. So we're going to change the majority. We're going to have a Democratic majority in the House and in the Senate and really send a strong message to the president that his actions are no longer acceptable to the vast majority of the American people. Ah, the secrets of the Senate elevators, the senators-only elevators, as they are, restricted to senators-only in the office buildings and in the Capitol. That's where the truth happens. Senator Gary Peters, thanks for reminding us of that. Thanks for joining us tonight. Thank you. And coming up, Carnison Ro Khanna will not let the King forget the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and the King's brother, Andrew. Congressman Khanna joins us next. Home to the Rachel Maddow Show. Morning Joe, the briefing with Jen Psaki, and more voices you know and trust. MS Now is your source for news, opinion, and the world. Learn more at MS.now. Last month, Carson Rochanna sent a letter urging King Charles to meet directly with survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's abuse during his visit to the United States. The New York Times reports lawyers representing King Charles wrote in a letter, The King and Queen have consistently made clear their support for all victims of abuse, wherever and however perpetrated. The letter said it added that because of ongoing police inquiries in the United Kingdom, King Charles was unable to meet survivors or comment directly on the matters under inquiry. Today, Congressman Kahneman met with women who survived convicted child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell's abuse and Jeffrey Epstein's abuse. Virginia Giuffre's brother said this. Virginia was recruited at Mar-a-Lago by Ghislaine Maxwell and quickly pulled into orbit of Jeffrey Epstein. What followed was not just abuse by them, but by many powerful individuals, many of whom have still not been brought to justice. This is how trafficking works. Survivors are groomed. They are manipulated into believing they are complicit in their own abuse. They are isolated, controlled, and threatened. I remember one moment that has stayed with me forever. When Epstein handed Virginia a photo of me as a child. wearing my backpack on my way to elementary school. It wasn't just a picture, it was a message, a threat, a way to keep her silent by making her fear for the people she loved. Virginia was trafficked across countries, including to the United Kingdom, where she was abused by Prince Andrew, now former Prince Andrew. There's a difficult irony in all of this. Virginia was recruited from a property owned by Donald Trump and trafficked to a member of the British royal family. Yet today, survivors are here, sitting with members of Congress, still fighting to be heard, still pushing for real accountability. Joining us now is Democratic Congressman Roe Con of California, a member of the House Oversight Committee. Congressman, do you accept Charles' explanation in that letter that because this is an ongoing investigation in England, in fact, a criminal investigation of his brother, who was arrested because of this issue, that that is a reason why he cannot meet with the survivors? No, he should have met with the survivors. He didn't have to discuss the specifics of the case with his brother. Then when I met with the ambassador, the ambassador assured me that he would acknowledge the survivors. As you pointed out, he did have a vague acknowledgement saying that the victims need to be supported. He used the passive tense saying the ills of society, as opposed to talking about rich and powerful people who abused these young girls. But he did do more than Donald Trump. It is something. That said, there's a lot more that he should do to acknowledge the survivors. What would be a comparable situation for Donald Trump? I mean, What's preventing Donald Trump from meeting with the survivors? His Justice Department says they aren't investigating anything. Well, you're absolutely right, Lawrence. I mean, look, Britain has been light years ahead of the United States. At least the king has said that his brother will face legal consequences and he's not interfering and he's not protecting his brother. They are prosecuting the Lord Mendelsohn. Here in the United States, Donald Trump is calling the survivors a hoax. He's not even calling them victims. He's not even saying that there was anything ill done to them. And he is actually protecting the Epstein class in his own administration. He has had no accountability, no sense of law enforcement. And so the irony is he behaving far more like a king than King Charles I mean King Charles actually spoke eloquently about a check on executive power going back to the Magna Carta Can you imagine being lectured by a British king that our president is exercising more unchecked power? What did the survivors want to say to Charles? We know Virginia Giuffre is the one who had a specific allegation against his brother. and she's no longer with us, which is why we were just hearing from her brother. Well, they wanted to share the pain that was caused, and they wanted to make it clear that just because you're a royal or just because you're powerful, you don't get to treat someone as dispensable. One of the things that kept coming up is the title of Virginia Giuffre's book, nobody's girl, that she felt she was nobody's, had no identity, that she was totally dispensable by rich and powerful people. And just the gesture of King Charles, who I do believe has humanity meeting with the survivors, saying you matter, everyone matters in this world, would have gone a long way. I still hope that he may do that because what the survivors want is justice. And they want some people who are positions of power speaking out on their behalf. Congressman Ro Khanna, thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you, Lawrence. And coming up, Andrew Weissman joins us with his reading of the indictment of James Comey, which, in my judgment, is the single most childish indictment in the history of federal law. That's next. Donald Trump's Justice Department impaneled a grand jury in eastern North Carolina but was finally willing to return an indictment against James Comey for putting a photograph of seashells on Instagram. Yes, that is now a federal crime in Donald Trump's America, punishable by up to 10 years in prison because there are actually two crimes there with five-year maximum sentences. The person who arranged the seashells like that committed the federal crime of threatening the president of the United States, according to Donald Trump's Justice Department, but that person has never been found. James Comey's two crimes, according to the two-page indictment include count one of threatening to kill the president of the United States through that coded message that anyone would take as a threat. And count two is transmitting that threat through interstate electronic media. The indictment actually says that James Comey, did knowingly and willfully make a threat to take the life of and to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, in that he publicly posted a photograph on the Internet, social media site, Instagram, which depicted seashells arranged in a pattern making out 8647, which a reasonable recipient who is familiar with the circumstances would interpret as a serious expression of an intent to do harm to the President of the United States. And here is James Comey's response today. Well, they're back. This time about a picture of seashells on a North Carolina beach a year ago. And this won't be the end of it. But nothing has changed with me. I'm still innocent. I'm still not afraid. And I still believe in the independent federal judiciary. So let's go. But it's really important that all of us remember, this is not who we are as a country. This is not how the Department of Justice is supposed to be. And the good news is we get closer every day to restoring those values. Keep the faith. Genius now is Andrew Weissman, former FBI general counsel and an MS now legal analyst. And so, Andrew, now NFL lawyers are going to have to be standing on the field to make sure that the guy wearing 86 is not standing beside the guy wearing 47, because obviously they'd be conspiring to commit federal crimes there. What is your reading of this indictment? Well, let me just quickly explain the law to people and how it applied to something where you have the numbers 8-6-4-7. The Supreme Court recently has said that for something to be a true threat. There has to be both a subjective and an objective way to analyze this as the person subjectively intending or recklessly intending that this be a threat. And objectively, the court has to say that this is something that is clearly a threat, that you can look at this and say that this has the natural tendency to be a threat. And so I leave to the viewers whether that's the impression that you have when you look at those four numbers, that that is a threat to kill somebody as opposed to, for instance, that they should no longer be president, that you should vote against them, that they should be removed as opposed to trying to kill them. We know James Comey has already said that this was something that he considered a joke, that he did not have that intent, but you don't even have to go that far. But I think this is one where if the Department of Justice is going to debase itself in the way that it has so far, and this shows Todd Blanchett's willing to do anything to try and get the top job, if that's the standard, what are they going to do with respect to Donald Trump's repeated language threatening people if you applied the standard that they're applying here. I mean, I'm old enough to remember when he said things about Hillary Clinton and his supporters of the Second Amendment. I'm going to paraphrase, essentially, helping him out. That was much, much more overt if you were to apply the standard that they're using here to James Comey. And this is one where I would just say, Lawrence, I don't view it as childish. I view this as another exhibit of a sort of a tyrannical way of thinking about the Justice Department and what the role of government is in this country. It certainly is that. And they certainly intended to be that. And they intend to scare people with it. So if you're Comey's defense counsel, what more do you have to do beyond reading to the judge, Miriam Webster's definition of 86, which says 86 is slang, meaning to throw out, to get rid of. And then noting to the judge that the Constitution of the United States has a sentence about removing the president of the United States. Would it now be illegal to read that passage of the Constitution out loud. It's so funny. I actually went to the dictionary also to see if there was, you know, what the sort of first, second, third definitions were of 86. And the closest I got was sort of the fourth definition is in context. 86 could be used, but they required other language to be there because the natural way of thinking of it is just the way that you said, this indictment is going to be dismissed. I usually don't make predictions. There's no way that this is going to go to trial, even if it has to go all the way up to the Supreme Court. It is something that if it's not dismissed based on vindictive and malicious prosecution, and my God, if at this point, James Comey is the poster child for that happening to him, He's already had one indictment dismissed, albeit on procedural grounds. But I think with this, it makes it obvious. And so this is going to be subject to that kind of motion for vindictive prosecution. And also that it simply cannot be that any jury is could conclude not just the subjective part, but the objective part of eight, six, four, seven is not something that any jury could could conclude is an intent to threaten. And it would violate the First Amendment to go forward. So, Andrew, we saw disbarments as a result of lawyers involvement with Donald Trump in his first term and in his attempt to steal the presidential election. Are these prosecutors now flirting with bar discipline or possible disbarment because of what is obviously a malicious prosecution? I think Todd Blanche and Pam Bondi are going to definitely, flirting is certainly a good word for it. But I think that this indictment, other indictments, the supposed settlements with people like Carter Page at the time that there's still, the department fights those things all the time. There's those sort of collusive activities. I think all of that is something that either has been the subject already of pending bar complaints or will continue to be. And it is an area where viewers should know bar associations do take this seriously because it is a profession and people do get disbarred. Rudy Giuliani is an example of that. Andrew Weissman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. You're welcome. Andrew will be appearing in New York City at the 92nd Street Y on Tuesday, May 19th, to discuss his important new book, Liar's Kingdom, How to Stop Trump's Deceit and Save America. We'll be right back. Andrew Weissman gets tonight's last word. 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