Summary
Bald Move Prestige hosts Jim and Aaron discuss The Pit S02E14, analyzing critical patient cases including a spinal dislocation, cardiac misdiagnosis, and family trauma, while exploring Dr. Robbie's suicidal ideation, Dr. Al's seizure disorder, and the emotional toll of emergency medicine on staff.
Insights
- Doctor burnout and suicidal ideation require intervention from trusted mentors outside the profession, not just clinical peers, as demonstrated by Duke's breakthrough with Robbie
- Systemic bias in emergency medicine—such as paramedics failing to properly position EKG leads due to patient anatomy—directly contributes to higher female mortality rates from cardiac events
- Medical professionals struggle to accept their own advice and treatment recommendations, creating a paradox where doctors become poor patients and resist help they would demand others accept
- Mentorship dynamics reveal that younger doctors need permission to fail and learn, not constant criticism, which undermines confidence and perpetuates cycles of self-doubt
- High-stress environments can trigger breakthrough seizures in previously controlled neurological conditions, forcing clinicians to reassess career viability in acute care settings
Trends
Increased narrative focus on mental health crises in medical dramas moving beyond procedural storytelling to character-driven psychological depthGender disparities in emergency medicine diagnosis and treatment protocols becoming explicit plot drivers rather than background issuesMentorship and intergenerational knowledge transfer emerging as critical retention and wellness factors in high-stress medical environmentsRepresentation of neurodivergence and chronic conditions in medical professionals challenging stigma around disability in healthcareNight shift medicine positioning as distinct specialty with unique staffing, culture, and patient demographics warranting separate narrative focus
Topics
Physician Mental Health and Suicide PreventionCardiac Event Misdiagnosis in WomenMedical Professional Burnout and RetentionMentorship Models in Emergency MedicineSeizure Disorders in High-Stress OccupationsSubstance Abuse Recovery in Medical PracticeSpinal Trauma Emergency ProceduresDoctor-Patient Communication and AutonomyWorkplace Bias and Discrimination in HealthcareNight Shift Emergency Medicine OperationsGrief and Loss in Medical TrainingIntergenerational Conflict in Hospital HierarchiesMedical Student and Resident Imposter SyndromeFamily Trauma and Professional PerformanceClinical Informatics and AI in Healthcare
Companies
HSBC
Sponsor advertisement promoting wealth management and personal financial planning services to listeners
British Gas
Sponsor advertisement for peak save electricity pricing program targeting UK consumers
Starbucks
Sponsor advertisement for new protein cold foam beverage product line
HBO
Network that produces and airs The Pit, the television series being analyzed in this podcast episode
Apple TV Plus
Streaming service mentioned as home of For All Mankind, a space drama series recommended by hosts
Shopify
E-commerce platform mentioned in closing advertisement for one dollar trial offer
People
Jim
Co-host of Bald Move Prestige analyzing The Pit episode; taking vacation next week
Aaron
Co-host of Bald Move Prestige analyzing The Pit episode; will host with guest next week
Noah Wiley
Plays Dr. Robbie and wrote this episode; hosts cite interview where he discusses character motivations and mentorship...
George Clooney
Original ER star who expressed pride in Noah Wiley's work on The Pit in recent interview
Eric LaSalle
Original ER cast member; hosts theorize he may have inspired Dr. Al's mentor character who died in COVID
David Schwimmer
Referenced in discussion of film about plastic surgeons; used as example of problematic professional dynamics
Roger Ebert
Cited as giving Rumblefish 3.5 stars; referenced in discussion of 1980s Francis Ford Coppola film
Francis Ford Coppola
Directed Rumblefish (1980s), referenced as character Dr. Ellis's personal favorite film with motorcycle themes
Quotes
"Doctor, the fuck up."
Dr. Robbie (Noah Wiley)•Mid-episode during spinal dislocation case
"I don't want to be around anymore."
Dr. Robbie (Noah Wiley)•During conversation with Duke about suicidal ideation
"Is that going to be the last lesson you teach these kids?"
Duke•Intervention moment with Robbie
"You fix bikes, I fix people. But you can't fix people like you can fix bikes."
Dr. Robbie (Noah Wiley)•Metaphor discussion with Duke
"How many women would like to preserve all of their modesty in return for death?"
Dr. Robbie (Noah Wiley)•During EKG lead placement criticism of paramedics
Full Transcript
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Bald Moon's officially unofficial podcast for the pit on HBO. I'm Jim. And I'm Aaron. And we're back for the penultimate episode, season two episode 14. It's 8 p.m., 8 to 9 p.m. I don't know how many hours in. We are 100, 300. Who knows? It feels like it anyway. 14 hours in. A case to waiting for that 15 centimeter beef injection. I feel like we might not get it. You might not get it for barbecue. Days get shorter, the beef injections get longer. Right. She's thinking about going with the alternate BBB therapy. And you guys aren't arguing with that, honestly. Bed, bath, bath, and beyond. No, not in that order. Bath, can't take a bath in bed. Book bath bed. Book bath bed. Oh, yeah. This is a big episode, man. I finally feel like I get what's eating Gilbert Ravinevich. It's a lot darker, actually, than I thought, even, when we were halfway through the season, going, man, it's probably coming back. What do you think of this episode? I thought it was a great episode. It's an episode where clearly there's more doctor drama than there was ER drama, though there's a good amount of that, too. But yeah, we talked about this in the pre-shows. We're just chopping up. And I said, it feels like, last year, we had a 15-hour shift on a 12-hour shift because of the pit shooting. And it was an all hands on deck thing. This year, the thing's over. And day shift is just hanging around, man. They're doing a little bit of this and that, but they're mostly just doing paperwork and dealing with their personal lives, which I think is cool. And as much as they've made it a point that, oh my god, yeah, one of the things that makes doctors life difficult is you have this very stressful shift that you do, and then you got to stay for two or three hours and do homework on top of that. And it makes for really long, long days. And I feel like being able to sit without the doctors is a useful experience for the fans. Or it's really kind of selling you the mood of it. But yeah, I love the stuff we got for Robbie. The stuff between Robbie and Duke was amazing. Love seeing Whitaker stand up for himself. Love finally getting the, what is the deal with Dr. Out Hashimi? There's lots of good humor. Got to handsome boys back with the gruesome injury du jour. Or I guess the hour. What'd you think? Oh, I like this episode a lot. I'm a little sad I'm not gonna be here to talk about next week's episode in real time. Probably have to wait until the wrap up to get my thoughts on that. But yeah, this is a really strong episode. Like I said, it has a lot more context. Not just for Dr. Al, but for Robbie too. The entire season I'm thinking it's dangerous for him to do what he's doing. And he's taking a risk and he knows it, but he doesn't have a death wish. It's not like he would go up and join Abbott as they held hands and jumped off the roof together. But now it's pretty clear he would and he's actually considering intentionally not coming back. And I don't mean to the job, I mean from the ride at all. So yeah. It's tough with suicidal ideation because like there's different stages to it. Like and it's unfortunate, but I got to say I laughed out loud with the specific phrasing that Robbie used to describe. Like I just, I don't want to be around anymore. It's like almost word for word. Tainted. What Tim Robinson says on the very hilarious Max Damage episode of I Think You Should Leave. I still want to be around anymore. That's not the show's fault. That's my fault for feeling my head full of comic garbage. But you know, there's like the person who's like got that feeling. Like I don't know what to do. I just wish I wasn't here anymore, but they don't have like I bought pills. I have got the gun loaded. I have thought about saying goodbye. Like that's a different level of criticality. And I know there's a lot of people excited about like, oh Caleb should have, you know, like involuntary psych-holded Robbie. I'm like, you know, like we might be a little bit more concerned with Robbie than a person on the outside because we have been with him this whole day. We are seeing his facial expressions. We are seeing the times where he's just close to crying. We're, you know, we've seen all the conversations he's had with all kinds of different people. I still don't know if it's like he's got an active idea of suicide, but maybe just like, if I go out on this awesome heroic ride and I biff it and I don't come back, that might not be the way. It was just concerning and he needs to talk to somebody. Oh yeah. And crazy enough, Duke is the guy to talk to. It makes a certain amount of sense, you know? He's got all these kids, these people who he's trying to be strong for and be their mentor. He breaks down for them and, you know, tells them that he's feeling this way. And suddenly their hero is dead, you know? It's like him being an outsider, Duke being an outsider is the thing that really does this. He's outside of the profession. He's not trying to impress or teach Duke anything. He's just another human being. And I think that's what cracks that shell. Yeah, Duke hasn't gone to medical school. Duke hasn't done psychrotations. Duke doesn't know the latest therapies and the statistics of doctor suicide and all that. He's just older. He's someone that Robbie looks up to. Almost like an older brother. Older brother experience. A lot of life experience. Like he is to Robbie what Robbie is to the kids, except for like more in terms of life and forgiving yourself and how do you do bad things or don't live up your own expectations and keep going on. But you're right. Like it's a message that only him or maybe Dr. Abbott, but even Dr. Abbott as I think a realistic understanding of his limitations as Robbie's peer and friend. And Duke can just cut through to bullshit. Yeah, Dane is able to get like most of the way there every time she has a shouting match with him. But it still feels like he's very standoffish with her. I think they're a little, every they have very little interaction this episode. Most of the 90% interaction is Dana literally staring daggers. You know, like when when links got his heart containers full and Zelda and he can literally just shoot that day. Like just like that's what she's doing to Robbie. Like she just find just sending magic sword beams after magic sword beams to him. I don't that would make me suicidal if Dana was that way about me. But. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think there's a real breakthrough on that front too. And it's it's simultaneously like, okay, you told him what he needed to hear to stick around, but this is also going to make the pressure a little worse. And I want to talk about like what's making Robbie feel this way later in the episode. But when Duke says, you know, is that going to be the last lesson you teach these kids? Man. I don't think he can. I don't think he can take himself out now. I think he has he knows he has to stick around and not for him. It's just for the people that he's teaching how this goes, you know? Yeah, you want to show him to like, oh, you know, it's obviously a solution to Dr. Burnout is just when you've had enough, walk out and kill yourself. Like, yeah, that's not the that's not the debt. Do that dance step you want to teach the kids. But it doesn't solve any of Robbie's problems either. That's the fucked up thing, right? It like probably keeps him killing himself, but doesn't actually do any good for him. Yeah, it does feel like, though, it's one of those things where how many flashing red stop signs are you going to blow through before you get hit by the train? Like his motorcycle gets ran over. Uh-huh. And yeah, it's oh, it's it's a positive way to look at it. It's like, oh, it's a good omen. I drew first blood after where, you know, the spills already happened. It's like, OK, but also, you know, Duke, who's tried to get out there all day. Now he's the one like trying to hang around for Robbie and because because he sees that I just I don't know, the metaphor of fixing bikes, fixing people. A person like Robbie, who probably hasn't done much bad in his life, but he just is living up to these crushing expectations. He has us on himself and he's trying to, you know, we get a little bit of color about his mom ran off and abandoned him. And we could talk a little bit about like some baby J stuff, baby Jane Doe stuff that that might play into there, too. But but yeah, whereas, you know, it's hard for Robbie to do the martyr thing when like Duke's like, yeah, he's been a motorcycle gang. I used to hurt people for probably money and drugs and just stupid biker reasons. And I had to pay time and or I had to do time to society and I did. And there's not a day goes by that that doesn't just, oh, God, why did I do those things? Like this is a guy living with a hell of a lot more burdened than Robbie. But he's able to zin out in his motorcycle shop in a way that, you know, like you can you can clock out on a Bonneville that's got its handle grip fifth fucked up because someone ran over with an ambulance. You got a C4 C5 spinal dislocation. You got 15 minutes. This guy ain't going to walk again. You're going to be like, I'm going to clock out now. Like it's an infradupe to get that, you know, I felt like Robbie felt seen by someone that he respects. Yeah, yeah. And that metaphor, as you know, Robbie points out, only goes so far to because you could fix any bike like any problem you got. If you need to recreate the frame and, you know, do whatever. The only limit is the money and the time you want to spend on it. But not people and especially not people's mental damage, which I think Robbie is referring to specifically here. He's got something. I mean, we've seen multiple things that could crush a person, right? Losing your mentor in covid and not being able to feeling like you should have been able to save them, losing your godson's girlfriend in a crisis moment. Like both of those things are crushing him and like his mom's situation. He's got so much stuff here that's just breaking him mentally. And I think, I mean, that's it, right? Like he just doesn't know how to heal from those experiences. And then you throw on all the stress of being in his position as doctor. And doctors being shitty patients. Like that's something I've heard is universally true that doctors, you know, it's like they don't take their own advice. They think they're above it. They think they, you know, have a but and clearly, you know, Robbie would be super pissed if Duke blew him off about this massive aorta structural problem he's got. But he's doing the exact same thing to Caleb. And to be interesting, they have a kale with him with like, you know, doctors with your level experience and burnout, their mortality rate from suicides, 50 percent in 12 months. I doubt it's that hot. But you know what I'm saying? Like him blowing Caleb off is a one to one analogy to him blowing or for Duke trying to blow him off. And like I said, I think all these push and pull of his personal life and his professional obligations. And I think it's going to wind up where my call is, I don't think Robbie's going to leave next episode. But he really needs to leave the ER, in my opinion. Like he needs to get long term, not a three month sabbatical. He needs a lot. He needs years away from that and maybe three months. He's bad at himself. But you it's a it's like you go into therapy two or three times a week and you're chilling the fuck out and you're allowing the cortisol and adrenaline levels of your body to drain in your limbic system to get all readjusted. That's the kind of not. And like Duke said, when he's like, yeah, that ain't riding, man. That's running. Yep. You know, like there's not a lot of the joy in your mind, right? And do other. But like, you're just running. You don't want to deal with anything. You're just wanting to put as much distance as possible. Borders of countries and states behind you in it. And yeah, he just really skewered Robbie because he's seen it. And he probably knows what works and what doesn't. Yeah, it's rough. And then, you know, the doctor Al stuff. I find fascinating. Because hers is more of a physical thing. Like Robbie's got this mental thing. She's got a physical thing that she's been dealing with for 35 years. That somehow she's been able to overcome. Like I'm I'm actually very much impressed that she's been able to get as far as she has with that affliction. And I assume like this is this is that she's having like micro seizures might be too strong of a word here, but she's having, you know, disassociated moments related to that. Absence seizures and abs. They are they don't involve like muscles locking up or anything that involves a person going essentially non responsive for two to 30 seconds. And there's other things like when you have a seizure, I guess there's a period of confusion where your body and brains coming back online, these things, it's like, once you snap out of it, you're out of it. But I think we said a couple of weeks ago when the seizure thing first came up, we were like, you know, it's not the worst type of seizure to have. But on the other hand, do you want that? Do you want her to do that when she's trying to undislocate someone's neck? Or do you want to do something when she's doing a clam shell thoracomy or any of the other times where it's like a secondary lapse of attention might kill or maim a patient? Yeah, I guess it has to do with her. If this is part of the reason she's so into this artificial intelligence as a tool for health care professionals, because that's something that's a little more hands off. And if she can become an expert in that, she may. But I mean, she had to go through the grinder that everybody else is going through to get to where she is. So how did she make it through that? Yeah. I did some reading. I did a lot of seeing what other people, you know, a lot of people, you know, it's a big show. A lot of people write in articles, write the second this thing's done airing. And I think there's some pretty good takes on where we're likely going to go with Dr. Al here. But clearly, we'll be dealing a lot of that. I mean, like it's to the point where like I don't even know what next hour looks like. There are so many potential plots you could follow up and you could address. But like how the hell can you give everybody a satisfying kind of send off? I don't know. I'm curious to see how they try. Yeah. We'll see. Hints to the setup of next year, because, you know, with all this intimacy we're getting with the night crew, people like, oh, we're going to have a night shift spin off. We're going to have a series. It's just the night, you know, like with season three is just going to be night shift. Maybe Robbie's going there to be a little the fly a little closer to his buddy, Dr. Abbott. I don't know. But I'm curious to see how we're all feeling about the direction to show after next episode. For sure. What else you got for preamble? Nothing. I'm ready to talk about the episode. OK, episode two 14. This is 8 p.m. on July 4th at the Pitt Hospital. We first the one I want to talk about first is Lyman Payne, 53 old male motor vehicle collision. He hit a telephone head on, apparently passed out. No evidence of drug or alcohol abuse. And he has got partial paralysis where he's can only feel tingles in his extremities. He started starting to get hard for him to breathe. And they diagnose with I can't remember if this is an imaging or something that Dr. Cruz did with his his wizardry at ultrasound, but they found out that they he's he's got a dislocation of, I think, two of his vertebras. And that's putting pressure on Spina cord, which is your major trunk line for all the nerves in your body. Yeah, she's weakening his grip and his his ability to move his extremities. And it progresses over the course of just a handful of minutes in this to where it gets extremely tense. This was maybe the most tense I was during this entire episode is when Langdon is given the driver's seat here with this dude's neck and pulls off like a heroic save, gets all the compliments and high fives. But is he I was sweating just as much as he was. Yeah, because like I'm trying to imagine like what it's like to be Mr. Payne in that situation where you can tell something serious is going on and it's getting worse and the doctors are worried about doctors like we can't wait for neuro. He could be a he could be a what did they call it a head, a talking head. I forget what the term of like, you know, being like a paraphera, quadriplegic Christopher Reeve. Yeah. The cervical damage goes high enough, you could lose the ability to breathe through yourself like Mr. Reeve did. So I'm trying to think like that guy was so scared and so panicked and to have like, OK, to have a. A doctor put that much pressure and force. Did you see how hard Langdon was straining and he had two large men holding on the other end of him and this guy's just got to have faith that he's going to chiropractor. My spinal cord, like it's just crazy scene. Yeah, it's wild. If I'm lying in that situation, I don't think I want a choice because I'm going to freeze up. Like if if I'm feeling like my extremities start to get weaker and tingling, but then they're telling me like, OK, we're we're going to. I've got a suggestion. I'm going to try and wrench on his neck a little bit with his dislocated spine. And the other doctors are shouting, are you fucking insane? That is the riskiest thing I've ever heard. I don't I freeze up. I don't know that I can make a call in that moment. The only thing that helps is this one of those situations to pitch shooting where it's like, OK, this is a very crazy thing to do. But also if this person doesn't get help in 15 minutes, then it's essentially going to be the worst case scenario anyway. So and yeah, for the guy to have the wherewithal to give that, I also wonder what would happen like if the guys like, hell, no, don't do it. Or they'd not ask him. And because obviously doctors can do life saving things to you when you're unconscious, because presumed they don't want to die. And like it's like if they hadn't asked for permission before he passed out, I bet they just do it. But yeah, for sure. And and surely it doesn't open up, laying into a lawsuit, right? It'd be it'd be something if like Nero was like, OK, we'll be down in two minutes. And he's like, you know what, I've always wanted to try. A blind relocation of someone's neck for a crack and the guy gets quite a tantos being like for Ogilvy. I need another intubation today. I need a spine cracking. Yeah, like, but I feel like even if you wanted to see this guy, the inquiry would be like, OK, you know, the attending was telling me to do it. I had seen it done before in extremists. This guy was 15 minutes away and our best medical judgment. Yeah, but I was also just like, what a win for Langdon because like this is like. We've seen a couple of these things where it's like the human body as a machine and you just get the bearing right. Like, you know, we even saw this lady like she just was there and then she was gone when she had this massive heart attack. They shock her. She's right back, right? This guy is like. Feeling himself losing connection to his body. Langdon does this three seconds of extreme head wrestling. And like like like a faith healer like he like he slapped him on the forehead and said, be healed. Walk my son. And it worked like and he's feeling like shit the whole day and he finally gets to super docket. Yeah, no, I mean, this is this is the thing his confidence needed. Because I've always felt like Langdon was a great doctor and his drug problem didn't change that, you know, in his recovery. He thinks he's maybe a little rusty after being off for three months. I think it's just a confidence thing. And hopefully he'll be back to, you know, Dr. Langdon next season. Yeah, and maybe he's a little cringing and a little less sure of himself because Robbie's been riding him so hard. But I tell you, Dr. Robbie's saying, Doctor, the fuck up. Yeah, I don't have any medical training, but if I'm in an OR room and know why he looked at me and said that I would run through a brick wall. I would whatever whatever he suggested, I'd be like God. But it's what you doctor fuck up is a bad ass line. Can we unpack what it means? Uh, yeah, I mean, in my mind, it means. You've you've seen what I've done, right? Like Dr. Robbie makes calls like this quite often and he does things that are hard and risky and necessary. And he knows that this is one of those moments. You see me do this now. Do as I've done. Do as I've shown you. Yeah. Like, I think there's a little bit of God complex with doctors, you know, that. They can be. I'm sure. Yeah, like they literally rip people's lives out of the hands of the grim reaper. And they have this like huge ego. And I think Robbie was saying like you you can't be like a bureaucratic paper pusher and be like, oh, you know, the risk of the doctor, the fuck up. You wield the forces of life and death. Now, you're going to let this guy because it's in us. This is fuck. It was awesome. It was. And, you know, him taking a moment out just to have a joy gasm of like, oh, my God, I still got it. It was good because he hasn't had any wins this year. Also, I feel like he's had a loss this year with the back injury, the exacerbated back he's got. I was super worried when Dana was like, maybe it was Dana, I can't remember who it was told him, dude, didn't you have like a tox screening, a urine screening, like eight o'clock, which is the beginning of this episode. Yeah. And he's like, oh, shit, I thought it's because that shot that they showed him coming out of the bathroom. Yeah, him getting back into the pills. Dude, there was so much addict bait in this episode because like I know the first time when he ordered this one medicine for the neck guy and Dr. Cruz is like, what, for a spine dislocation? Like, oh, God, is he is he going to try to steal some of this guy's like nerve blocker or whatever? And then yeah, him coming out of the restroom looking disheveled and sweaty. And then the failed drug or the drug test that he might have been trying to duck or what. But I'm like, mm hmm. On second watch, obviously, I looked it up and what he was suggesting was a steroid, which. Maybe I don't know why Cruz was skeptical about using something with reduced anti inflammation and encourage healing in a spinal context. Probably not standard of care. But to put it about, you can't get high from taking steroids. Yeah. You're not going to get there. You're not going to get any kind of pain relief or euphoria or nothing. You know, you're going to you're going to be maybe a little bit more excitable and hungry. So. Yeah, I think that they're telling us because doctor who's trying to avoid the drug test, he knows he's going to take. I don't think has the reaction of like, oh, shit, you're right. And sprints off to do it. Exactly. It was his reaction that reassured me that there's nothing untoward going on here. Yeah. But they were. Unless he's ready to get the untainted sample that he has in his locker. Like, I guess there's a lot of what would you do with baby J? Is the cold, cold washcloth? I need I need a clean piss sample. I think this six week old baby will piss clean. Yeah, he's a squeezing baby J. You were taking formulas so well, I know you got some in you. That's all that they would be good for this season. Get that baby out of here. That baby got abandoned just to save Langdon's medical career. Give him that one, that one shot. Oh, my God. Also, like, OK, I want to judge McCall. The doctor, Robbie, he gets in a bathroom and VV calls him after his neck trauma. You think he was finishing with the stream or did this doc pinch it? Oh, my God. He pinched it off. He pinched it off. Yeah, we'll be right back with more ball move after this brief pause. If you want to save a few quid, British gas have a way. You get half price lecky and it's called peak save on every Sunday. It's the smart thing to do if you're regular folk or furry and blue. 11 till four. Let the good times begin. You could charge up the car or take the dryer for a spin. Half price electricity. What joy that brings with British gas peak save? We're taking care of things. T's and C's apply eligible tariffs and smart meter required. And now back with more ball move. What a fucking stud. Oh, yeah. No, that's impressive. I mean, you can do it, certainly. It's not comfortable. And it doesn't actually fix the problem that you came in the bathroom. You have to come back to it. But I guess if a guy's got 15 seconds, 15 minutes to walk, then maybe you can't spend 30 seconds doing the evacuation and the double jiggle just to be safe. Right. Yeah. But I thought the same, too. The like it didn't sound like it was naturally coming to it. It sounded like he just like, you know, like just muscled it down. I wow. Wow. Wow. All right. Great storyline for Langdon. He even took a couple of this this this episode, but he got a big one there. And also the other thing I noticed, not just the joy on Langdon's face, but Dr. Robbie. Was proud of his boy. Yeah. I read. An interview with Noah Wiley that was talking about like why he's been so hard on Langdon. Was it the same one talked about Mohan, too? Because I read. Yes. OK, OK. I think we read the same. I think so. I'm struggling to remember the exact details of it, though, because I read it last night. I remember that it was because he's, you know, he no will widely wrote this episode way to go give yourself an A plus bad ass line. Right. But I the interview that I was reading, he expressed a little surprise that the audience is seeing this as being like some kind of draconian thing that he's doing or like that he's being harder. I feel like people are perceiving him being harder on Mohan than like anybody else, which maybe of Langdon wasn't there. Maybe. But and then that that Noah Wiley, I guess that they were wanting them. That the. You remember the details, the one that I read was like they wanted Wiley to come off with Mohan as like he's trying to get the best out of her. She doesn't. He thinks that she's brilliant and she's a rock star, but she's settling for something less. And he is deliberately trying to bring out the best in her. And that, yeah, the him and the other writers were kind of like, wow, I'm really surprised the fans are this down on Robbie. What's your take on that? Uh, yeah, I mean, I think he wants the best from all of his people. I I'm like, I'm with him there. I don't think he's just shitting on her because he doesn't like her or anything like that. I mean, that's how I've always read it. The thing I remember the thing that they were that they were talking about with Robbie and Langdon, though, is that Langdon is like a mirror of what Robbie should be doing. And that's why he can't stand to be around him and talk to him. Because Robbie is not doing the hard work that Langdon is doing that he desperately needs to fix himself. And I thought that was a really keen insight coming from the guy who wrote, you know, half the season and his executive producing. Yeah, of course, he understands the characters. Yeah, that's a really good point that like, but that's yeah, it's like, OK, he's forced to do it and this and that, but he did do it. You know, and it's hard and he's, you know, suffering through it. And I'm not and I should be and I know it. All right, let's put the guy who's not going to be a paraplegic to rest now and move on to the other big patient of the episode. And it's going to deal with a lot of the drama. Let's talk about Duke. Love Duke. Every episode I love Duke more, man. His obsession with VV and his attitude toward her. Choo Chit Su instructor boyfriend. I also like the bang, baby. Yeah, Perla kind of flipped it on us because we're like everybody. I mean, there is a obviously it'd be weird if no one commented on. It's potentially creepy. Got like Duke, even where he's joking, fucking around to whatever, like hitting on a young nurse like that. I like how Perla like turned it around where it's like, oh, dude, you think you're the danger? No, no, no, no. VV is the one that knocks or more, more, more, more particular. Her jujitsu MMA boyfriend is the one that's going to knock. Yeah, go out the bank, not a whimper, baby. Hilarious. I really like the scene where Robbie is trying to impress upon Duke, the seriousness of the situation and they're even like Duke is like translating everything into motorcycle terms. Like he's like, yeah, we're going to have to do this, do that, replace this with our. Oh, OK, new new new hoses and valves. OK. And the fact that he thinks it's a coin flip that you got a 50 percent chance of dying in a minute in the next 12 months, or you're going to have a five hour surgery surgery with a several day hospital recovery, a six week and, you know, kind of like six, eight week. You can't even lift a five pound weight. Cue the dick joke. And you're going to be down for three to six months before you get back. And it's like because I looked at this actor, I think is like 71 years old. I think he's playing broadly that. I've often wondered because like I've seen old people who like do the utmost to keep active and healthy throughout. And I've seen old people were like, you know, they do a couple of things. They're like, you know, I'm just like my grandfather died in 92. And six weeks before he died, he was just like, yeah, like, oh, you know, your uncles and aunts, they want me to do this to that. I'm I'm done. I'm reading between the lines. I'm seeing what the doctor's saying. I'm done. When does that math because like Duke's like, well, what if I die and I'm 74? Do I want to spend the 25 percent of the rest of my time as a weakling? Yeah, this is a coin flip thing, right? Like, yeah, I. But Robbie doesn't see it that way. Robbie sees like, oh, you could maybe live the 90 if you get this thing done. And Duke's like, you don't know how I live my first 30 years, brother. There's a lot more miles on these tires than you think. Just. I was kind of waiting for the moment where Robbie would be forced to take a little bit of his own medicine here, because he's always telling people like he's telling Duke, you know, this is not a coin flip, you're going to do this. And he's telling. It's not a go to. Moham that like Diaz made his choice. Like he's an adult is the patient's call his life, his mistake. Is he going to feel the same when Duke decides, you know what, I'm done. I don't want to I don't want the surgery. I'll take my chances. And that moment never really came. I think they did so much better things than that because we're rounding out the season here, we need to start concluding some of these arcs. I don't know, because almost like I felt like in the second half of the episode, the Duke was robbing him like the same things of trying to like get a person to delay trying to, you know, person that doesn't want to deal with it, but you're trying to make him deal with it. You're trying to put in terms that they understand. But you're right, it is rich for Robbie to be like, no, you got to do this. This is important for your health. It's important for and for all the other medical professionals to be telling him this the whole season and then be like, yeah, fuck, I just need to ride. Yeah. It it. I don't want to say if feel it would feel wrong at the end. If he was just like, yeah, you know, I'm not going to take any of my own advice. And he just went off the road. It wouldn't feel wrong necessarily. It'd be a shame, I guess. It would be like this character. And I want to seem sick around. It wouldn't be unrealistic. It wouldn't be a bad character turn. It would just you'd feel bad. Yeah. Yeah. I will say that something kind of hilarious happens, which is a stressed out ambulance driver runs over Robbie's motorcycle and kind of cosmetically fucks it up. And the way that Noah Wiley sprinted at an ambulance bay, like he was responding to a multiple gunshot wound. And then the fact that a gunshot wound to the head pulls up and Robbie's like still not ready to tear himself away from his baby. Like that just I thought was really funny. Yeah, I love that. I've never seen him run that fast to a patient. Right. Like maybe he ran that fast through the Code Hula hoop. But I've definitely seen this. God's medley hustle. But but yeah, this is a full on sprint. Yep. I really loved the because like, yeah, like everybody knows that Robbie's had a bad day and he's got this motorcycle. He's trying to leave on his trip. The way these am these paramedics were just like hyperventilating about what he's going to do. And the security guy, I love his because the guy's like, God, how many of these have my hands cramping up? It's like, well, you can leave anytime you want. We want the hospital to cover this bullshit. You did that to Robin. You're going to have to sign some forms. That was great. And then Robbie eventually got peace. I think. I want to break this down. Robbie goes out there and he's he's having Duke give his experts opinion to how the engine sounds and Duke says, yeah, it's probably rideable. And Robbie's like, oh, I can probably fix this damage on a route. And and Duke's like, let me do it. And Robbie's and Duke eventually is like, no, fuck you. I'm going to I'm going to get my tools and work on it. Robbie. Almost weeps, almost sobbed right there in the spot. What do you think is going on there? I don't know. I'm not the kind of person who has a lot of connections to my physical things in that way. I like having some things around, but also I've never felt like an object is a person or means as much to me as a person. So like, I don't know. I can't get inside that mentality. Can you you ride bikes or you that? Oh, yeah. But, you know, I'm not. Yeah, you're a sailboat either. Nah, not even. No, OK. Yeah, I've reigned at a ground of time or two. It's all part of it's all part of the all part of the game. If you're not running your sailboat on the ground, you're not. You're not fucking around in the shoals enough. But I mean, I see the switch. I see the change in him when those things happen. So here's what I think. I can't recognize it. Yeah. Robbie is a caretaker and he tries to take care of everyone. Who takes care of Robbie? I think a man that he respects, a man that he doesn't owe anything to and a man that doesn't owe him anything. They've had this like equivalence to him saying, dude, and not try to talk, not try to talk you out of it, not try to say, like, oh, you need to hang around tomorrow because I don't. You know what? I'm going to get you. I'm going to I'm going to take care of this for you so you can go handle your business and so we can finish this conversation. And so you can get on the road like you want to. I think someone just offering to take care of him. Mm hmm. That's what brought him to tears, not that he's so overcome about the bike, but like here is a father figure. Yeah. Saying, don't worry, son, I got this. And now we know with all this mommy issues he's got, like. You remember we talked about, like I said, Noa Wiley. Well, no, you meet me now, because this might have been with Jason. But I said, you know, Noa Wiley is a scene early on where he's, you know, holding baby Jane and being real sweet with her. And he's like, man, someone must have been in a really bad way to leave you. And you think about that with the knowledge of his mom left him. Like who the fuck leaves a Noa Wiley, baby? Like it's a whole season long. Like this is like because this is a wound that he's had the entire season. And like someone stepping in that like older mentor, father figure, the one that maybe he lost with the other attending to died in Kobe. I just think it really it got him. Like he felt loved and cared for. Yeah, I care for that. That's interesting take because like typically, you know, a mother will be the one who cares, loves, sits down with a child and just shows that affection and that's the stereotype. Yeah. Yeah, totally, totally stereotyping. I know it doesn't apply. I thought the first thing is a single dad. But yeah, that's for sure. For sure. I and I don't mean to, you know, say that single dads can't do that or that even married dads can't do that. Or non married dads, just with partners, loving partners, doing it together with children. I sure all sorts of states can be good. Check off all check off all the the identity. I keep going. We just make this the rest of the podcast. But yeah, the fact that his mom abandoned him and this is a very nurturing, supportive, loving gesture from Duke. And that doesn't work. It's not like the other thing about Robbie is like everything. Everybody wants to beat things from Robbie, like maybe not a thing, but like they're they're craving approval. They're craving an out of order and their instruction advice, like what to do next. And and he's always provided who provides that just free of charge to him. You know, like no, and I say free of charge. I mean, no strings attached and like, oh, God, I'm an oh, Duke, he's going to he's going to want me to fucking do his heart bypass for free. It's got to be next weekend. Yeah, exactly. It's it's just like I see you hurt and I see you this I want to help. But it touches a guy like Robbie. Yeah, for sure. I'm trying to think because we've talked about most of this stuff. But I think the other thing, you know, because this almost made Robbie cry, too, is like Duke, because I think also Robbie kind of sees Duke as a bad ass. And in a way that like maybe like Abbott is a bad ass. And this guy is another way to be a bad ass. And he's just cool, you know, give a fuck and, you know, he's got this devil, may care attitude. But him saying like, I get it, you fix I fix bikes, you fix people. And it's just so I forget the exact words he said, but it's it's just so impressive. Hearing that from like a gang, a biker gangster, an old biker gangster like Duke, probably got him just like your dad saying like, wow, you're really becoming I'm really proud of the man you've become. Yeah, totally. Except for if your Batman was where your dad is a little bit Batman, you know, he's a little bit cooler than that. Sure. But and then Robbie is like so far off therapeutically because like I clocked that Duke was talking about him being suicidal and him like not being able to resolve his stuff. And when Robbie was like failing and Duke's like, man, I ain't talking about me. I'm talking about you dumbass. Like that got Robbie because it just caught him completely off guard because he yeah, that's what it is. He's saying all the right things to someone who is saying that stuff to Duke. But then when Duke turned it around on him now, it's like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, is he going to take his own advice? Yeah, that little jujitsu move there. He's got some jujitsu of his own. It's good. It's good. And now it's it leads to the most poignant moment of the episode. I won't say the season. I mean, as much as I like Robbie, I think there have been some patience. Diaz and things like that being. Oh, the the cancer hot Roxy. Yeah, there's been Roxy. There's a really sad that it's gone real deep. Yeah, but this is a big moment. And I I found myself, you know, trying not to tear up during these scenes as well. Just like Robbie was Robbie, man. He's you could tell he wants to just let it all out. But how much? Yeah, like, I yeah, how much? How much self loathing is Robbie dealing with that? Like, this is the only place I can be and be distracted and feel like I've I'm worth anything. Like, where did all that? I mean, obviously being abandoned as a child, I'm just suddenly a lot more interested in knowing about his childhood and whatnot. And also with the realization that the structure of the show means any information I'm going to get on this is either going to be glacial or it's just going to be like always a submarine thing you know about. But you can just judge by Robbie's happiness of whether he's dealing with it or not. Because like what he's going to have like a long I guess they could have like an hour long episode where he takes a minute. He books a session with Caleb or one of Caleb's friends and he goes upstairs and he sits on the couch and we have a that would actually be kind of sweet. Like a representative real life therapy session that is not trying to. Yeah, you know, Tony Soprano. But wouldn't you need like 12 of those to like really get into anything because you're not going to sit down. You can't jump into the middle of the depths of that in just one episode. And you also can't start from scratch because nothing of real value will have been accomplished yet. What they could do is like posit that he this is a weekly thing he's been doing for the last couple of months and that because like a very rare thing in therapy is like you certainly sometimes you have breakthroughs where it's like the stuff you've been talking about and the things that you've been working on or I've led up to like a cascading series of revelations about yourself or what you need to do. And you know, like like then there could be crying. There can be like all kinds. I think you could do that where there's enough background where a lot of times on those breakthroughs, the it's the therapist, like he's got all the pieces in front of him and he's like, what if this piece and this piece and this piece fit together? I think they could do that. They could do they could sell you on like why? Because that therapy is a lot of just talking, man. You know, I don't know what other I don't know what other people think it is. But but but but yeah, it's like. But it's it's not like the ER where you show up and the doctors like, oh, you're presenting with this, you know, family of family history of abuse and addiction and you've got and I know what you need. You need to do this and the human machine springs back to life. And it's it's more it's a lot. The differential diagnosis in psych must be. Yeah, it feels almost like you have to like teach the patient how to fix themselves, right? Like if they if you somebody into the ER and you were giving them the tools and saying, OK, now here's what I think you need to try and do. Let me walk you through it. Yeah, now you got to do a figure eight suture when you close up your chest. That's that's for real. Yeah, you're teaching a person to be a doctor for themselves more than you are actually physically fixing their trauma. Yeah, here's what I will say. I expected Caleb to go a little bit deeper or harder, I guess, on Robbie than he did. He essentially just said. Really, you're going to say that. I know what that means. I'd I recognize it and then just let him go off on this. I expected you're a good company. Lashing your in good company. I thought of that. And, you know, I read a lot of reactions and I was like, you know, I don't I didn't know how to react because in the one hand, I'm like, well, you know, he's he hasn't gotten a view of Robbie. We've got this might be more of like, hey, this is this. This is a version of Robbie that you wouldn't even like or respect. Like this is this is a flash like you're trying to get him to take it serious. And but also you got to take a soft touch because if he goes in harder, Robbie might turn him off. And I think that people are way over blowing this thinking that like like that that Caleb could do like a cycle or demand that he has a suicide test right there because all the things about him being adult with stuff that like they said about Diaz, the stuff they said about, you know, that Abbott, you know, set up the Dana about him. It's like, that's all true. And I don't think Caleb has enough direct therapeutic evidence to be like he is a definite risk to himself or others. Yeah, we might just be a cynical joke. But yeah, we might with our 4K, you know, HD. Yeah, six inches away from Noah Wiley's face when he's having a nervous break. That we might, if we were psychologists, a psychiatrist might have that background. I don't think any one person on the show does. Except for maybe Duke, maybe Duke, because ironically, the person with the that could be the right information to put him in some kind of hold or whatever. But yeah, also, and maybe this shouldn't be. I would love to hear the opinions of other doctors on this. I feel like doctors are a lot more guarded on how they talk to other doctors and they would talk to just Joe Blow from the street. Guarded in what way, like with their own emotions or I don't think they would be as directive to another doctor about taking a particular therapy or doing something as they would a guy who just walked off the street. Because there's the assumption that he knows this. Yeah, he knows that I know this. I know that he knows that I know this when we're talking about. So what are we actually trying to do? We're trying to bully, browbeat or we'll someone into doing something. Like we're trying to, you know, hand pack them or whatever. And that's probably that. Got to leave that to Dana. I feel like Dana is the only other one who could. Maybe give her a try. She tried to mommy a couple of times. No fucking sale. Lady, I had one. She left. Fuck you. As I said, so it's like you want Caleb to do that. No, I guess there's nothing really that Caleb can do in this moment. I guess it is like, yeah, demanding a little respect. I felt was like a pretty solid move with Robbie and then like. Because Langdon was chasing him. Everybody's been chasing him around this whole time. And it's just like, no, we're going to talk about this before you leave. Yeah, but not as much as I wanted. And also, like I also, this is a good professional, like, you know, fuck you, dude, I'm I've been I've been saying I want a minute. And you've been blowing me off. Now I want you to give me the goddamn minute. Like we're because I believe he's the department. He's the he's the attending doctor in psych. Like, yeah, it's talking about you. But still, you can't blow me off, man. So I don't know. Like just having to talk, making sure he's got the number and that it's like, hey, I want you to call. I care about you. I want to say goodbye. Maybe that's all you could do. Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, it is it is a good exit for for him as as, you know, a guy who really can't break through to Robbie in this moment. Just leave a door open. And maybe between, you know, the combination of Caleb and Duke, Robbie might actually give him a call. Yeah. Mm hmm. Um, I want to talk to next to these two knuckleheads. I got one of their names, Barrett Dunkley's 34. He got Ewo G. Mudd, which is maybe the funniest. One of the funniest things I've heard this season, that guy like, oh, yeah, we hit him with a bottle of rolling rocks. Don't blame me. You got Ewo G. Mudd, which is there a person? Maybe there's a 16 year old in high school. It doesn't understand that this is referencing a famous picture of a bunch of Marines planting the US US flag on the highest point of Ewo G. Mudd during World War Two to take it from the Japanese. And there's a whole bunch of story behind a photo. It's worth looking up the Wikipedia article. But just like just come up that on the top like I stabbed you with a flag. I Ewo G. Mudd, your ass is hilarious. I think this other guy's name is Toby Schneider. I caught the last name and looked up the first. Toby McSchweyer, the rolling rock to the cheek. Nasty, nasty. Happy Gilmore-esque injury there at the broken glass. Yeah, I'm not a big sportsman. What the fuck are they? Because I figure this is a bar game. It's got to be darts. It's got to be like that weird mini shuffleboard. It's got to be billiards. Is this a is this a their their due to pool bet is what they're fighting about. So. Yeah, it's it's fairly vague. If you know the terminology, my brother could tell you he's a he's a big billiards guy. But the rail, something about riding the rails the way it's like, oh, that made me think of parole like I've never heard of a double kiss soft. Like, I don't know what the hell that could mean. Well, then there's the fact that he he needed to call the shot, which to me says pool immediately. But horse, maybe basketball, but there's no rails in that. You're right. Or Babe Ruth. Yeah, to slamming home runs. No, I don't think it was that. Yeah. And it's loud and sticks night and. I don't know. But I also like is it Dr. Ellis? I think it's Dr. Ellis, the night shift, one of the residents and these guys are just, you know, is that you motherfucking at Spry's Minder like John? She's like, gentlemen, you are now on separate medical journey. It's like, yes, you guys are. And literally because one guy is getting taken to the trauma unit to get on Iwo Jima and the other guys just needs, you know, maybe some plastic surgery, but not life threatening injuries. Mm hmm. Also Iwo Jima was, come on, man, pull it out. And like, Abbot and Robbie both know with the with the Ogilvy shit that went down a couple of hours ago. Uh huh. Um. These are all minor granddaddy Hanson. You remember him? He's the one that was dipping into the family pharmacy. Apparently he was the anchor of a family. What did they call that? A family reunion tug of war game. And I've got to say, I didn't think human body weight alone could generate. I've definitely know that ropes can cause gruesome injuries. I would never have thought twice about lupin rope around my hands and a tug of war contest. Same year. What other horrifying things would I do and not know about it? This. Oh, God. Oh, the visceral reaction to seeing that wound was really strong. Yeah, it's between this and the face lack that got me this episode. But I just can't get over these dudes. Like it's the second time you recall the Hanson family is back because one of their other idiots what blew off his fingers with a firework or something. I can't even remember what his thing was. Oh, no. It was a diabetics. Well, there's what there's a cousin that got into like some kind of fryer burn because his other cousin. Right. Like I dumped something frozen or whatever he's cutting. So and then then the same grandpa came in trying to take blood pressure medicine and he was just taking random amounts of somebody else's medicine bottles of. Yeah, the family medicine pile. The family farm. And now they're back and this guy like I can't tell if, you know, his diabetes or blood pressure or whatever is causing him to legitimately not feel his hand or if he's just one tough son of a bitch. I don't know because I've heard that's like this. Isn't that why you lose toes and fingers? Because like the the circulation goes and you get numbing tingling and then I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. So like I I feel like maybe. I feel like if he was that diabetic, there would be other like there'd be other things going on. Like that's pretty fucking extremities dead to pain. How are you grabbing on the rope? If you can't feel it cutting through your hand like a bandsaw, dude. I don't know. I'm loving this family, though. They're hilarious. I do too. It would be great that they're like just a constant in the ER. You know, I hear them. It's the fourth of July this time. Next time it's going to be Daytona. They all got together, watched the Daytona race and. Yeah, they could be the new Louis, right? In every season. Yes. Grandpa Hanson. Getting to know everybody. Yeah. We have Elbridge Gary, 25 year old guy who shot himself in the head at the 22 pistol. He was wearing an don't worry, though. He was wearing an aluminum pot on his head for protection. And I've heard that 22 shots can do this. But like one of the things they can do, since they are relatively small round of the low velocity is they I think it's called hamstring, where it like penetrates the skin, but it can't penetrate the skull. And so it diverts, but it doesn't have the power to bust back out through the skin. So it just kind of like runs under your around your skull under circum circumnavigates your skull until it runs out of energy underneath the skin. Uh, that's not to say 22 round can't kill you. Because the other thing can do is if it does penetrate your skull, it hamsters into ricochets around your skull and hamsters inside your brain. It's not cool because it lacks the power to punch back out. But they said he shot this in the air. I didn't understand that. Like it back down on him or he was shooting in the air and just happened to clip himself with it. I didn't know this is a thing until 10 years later. I mean, it checks out right because I didn't know it was a thing that people did this. But like, yeah, I guess during the Fourth of July and all these things where people tend to just, you know, pop, pop, pop, pop up in the air. Like they're you, Sam, and you Sam. Where where does that half ounce of lead go? Does it get in the orbit? Does it burn up on reentry? No, it gets a couple hundred feet in the air, whatever. And then it falls back down at a ballistic trajectory and that is bad. I was surprised that a 22 could fall back down with enough force to penetrate an aluminum pan and hamster on the outside of the sky. It's all right. But the thing is, this man, you got eight billion people doing crazy shit every day. Sure. Somebody somewhere is going to go to have the right thing. But we don't even find out what happens. This guy is thought as a funny, funny thing to talk about. He's quite the wordsmith from what I hear. Yeah, he was doing a glory, glory, hallelujah about fucking. I've never heard this particular version. Neither have I. I only got like every other line of it. But I think it's because he's making it up. All right. The most minor one. We got to read a will cut. She's 22. She slipped on concrete, falling off a dumpster, trying to get to a fire escape to get to the roof they're building to watch fireworks. And she is so mad because they're not telling the story right. You make me sound dumb. If my friends had held on to the dumpster, I wouldn't have fell. Not medically relevant, but OK. No, who cares? These doctors don't care. They just are going to patch up your leg and send you home. We'll be right back with more Bald Move after this brief pause. 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The the medics this lady had. I think the technical term is a rocking set of boobs. And they were too afraid to apparently too afraid to go up underneath her bra or to like move them out of the way to get the proper placement. And she they could have killed her. Yeah, they placed the leads for the EKG to see what's going on with their heart too low, clear the clear those boobs. And yeah, Robbie lights them up for this. And they get a standing ovation from every woman in the ER, which I thought was nice. That's like apparently one of the reasons that I think I think this is the stat that even though women have less heart attacks than men, they die from them more frequently. And one of the many reasons other than people not taking women's pain seriously is the fact that, yeah, guys are all the blue. What if she says something about it? What if she complains and Robbie's theatrical point? How many women would like to preserve all of their modesty in return for death? I mean, people want to rot a ste or life and like every woman in the ER puts up their hand for life. And what did you think about their points? Like you could have done this in private, man. It certainly was more effective the way he did it. But. I do think that is a little much. I think Robbie is suffering from I I just want to get the hell out of here. And also. I'm angry at everyone and everything, including myself. And I'm going to take it out on you guys a little bit. I the other thing is like it feels like when he said their names, like he repeats, is like, OK, if maybe that they like, I got the idea that maybe they do shit like maybe they're a little on the sloppy side. Anyway, but like on the other hand, like, yeah, maybe this was extreme, but this is also what I would call extreme malpractice, you know. And also I wonder what he would have if he would have gone that far and, you know, being theatrical if they had taken responsibility from it because they didn't. They were like, oh, that's no way. Oh, maybe she was sweaty in the leads. And he's like, cut the shit. She had big boobs and you didn't want to touch them to put the stimuli on. And I mean, yeah. Like, so that's the thing is like if they're in denial about it or they're trying to save face or cover, maybe they do need to be embarrassed. Can I get my take on this whole thing of like potential lawsuits coming from you being operated on medically? Look, I know there are. I've heard stories of plastic surgeons who seemingly only get into their profession so that they can look at women's boobs and fondle them. There's a whole movie about it. If you want to watch breast men starting a David Schwimmer, you can go do that. I was going to say, that sounds like the lamest follow up the madman of all time. Pretty much. Yeah. Breast men. But I do think there should be some blanket thing that is just like nobody, none of these doctors are getting into this profession so that they can sexually assault women who are in dire medical need. I just I can't believe that there's even one percent of doctors who are like that. Or yeah. Because obviously there are. You just said that they're like David Schwimmer. But yeah, vanishingly small, like vanishingly few people. But I think that's why required to get into this profession to be able to just fondle a boob. There are easier ways, guys. Well, not like that, but like nowadays where it's like you have to have two medics, dude, it's like the idea that you get two of those guys that would collaborate. Be like, we're going to touch all the poops is right. Pretty, pretty, pretty small. Like again, it might happen. There should be something like a thing. And I don't know because I'm not a woman, but I feel like if I was a woman and there was like a point, one percent chance a medic might creep on my boobs when she's putting leads on me versus like the statistics for women who dive heart attacks because I would be like, ah. But I'm not a woman. But it seems like it seems like everyone, all the all the actual legit women in the are agreed. So yeah, now they're just women that they just play on TV. But yeah, you know, sure. They're paid to raise their hands in that scene. But like, yes, I don't know. It doesn't feel right. The doctor should have to be afraid of that kind of repercussion from a procedure that should be routine. Well, I'm just saying is like, is that something they really should be afraid of? Or is that some boycoat bullshit where they're just like, you know, it's like, it's it's not a real fear because again, yeah, like what what like maybe I just try to think of like what woman would be coming and getting in an ambulance that is having signs of a heart attack and the guy and all the thing you do. So ma'am, we're going to have to move your bra so we can attach these leads. I can't imagine any woman who would be like, oh, this guy tried to rape me. And then even if the so is like. You did the other medics there, the ambulance drivers there. You were having like this is standard of care. Like did he cup them? Did he drop them? Did I don't know? I just feel like there's ways to adjudicate that other than just like, whoa, we got to put the stimmies on weird because we don't want to go there. Right. Yeah, as as with everything, their edge cases and it's it can be sticky around the edges. But like. Just it seems like a hassle that doctors don't need to be thinking in those terms doing a hundred percent agree. OK, so that wraps up, I think, all of our our patients. We have a couple of others, but I put them into the doctor drama like we'll get a final one, maybe not final, but an update on Diaz and all that. But now we're ready for doctor drama. I did want to talk about some other dramas recovering. Really, the only one right now is Space, not Space Above and Beyond. Good God for all mankind is on Apple TV Plus. It's a great final conflict. It's new, right? Yeah, Earth to Final Conflict, the aboveening. It's it's on Apple TV. It's great. We got a feed called the High Bob. If you want to check it out or bold move prestige for all of our podcasts with dramatic stuff, prestige television. And just a reminder, Jim will be gone next week, but we will have the episode as scheduled. I've got a guest host. And then he'll be back the next week to wrap up the season with me and tell us what he thought of the last episode and. Have a big old Bobby discussion, probably. Anyway, back to the doctor drama. This is really doctors is nurse drama, Monica. You know, we've I remember, oh, yeah, the urdin is showing up. This is going to be awesome. And it's like, oh, I'm not sure I agree with some of this lady's viewpoints on current events and what's ill in the country. And I think the funniest Coda to the Monica situation, the woman who's like just sneers when she hears a foreign language spoken between immigrants and in the ER. She's going home. To play mahjong. And drink margaritas. All American pastimes and beverages. Those. Yeah, Mahjong was was invented into 1895s in San Francisco by white men. I'm certain I'm certain of it. And Margaritas, that's that's an old world drink. We they've been drinking that since the days of the Beowulf. Is me and Margaritas back in the day. Sure. Yeah. The Norwegians came up with the margarita. There there should I feel like. This is not a real opinion I have, but it's an interesting opinion. If I get a B test universe, I would love to make a universe where they check your driver's license for your organ donations before you're eligible for a donation. And you have to be on a donation list for at least a year before you're eligible like something like that. So it's like you can't like I didn't like give me the I feel like that there should be some kind of like at test states that you could do like at the driver's license to where it's like, do you think immigrants are a vital part of American life? And if you say no, then they check your card at Chinese places, Indian restaurants, taco trucks, pizza, Bargarita, Ville, pizza parlors. And you know, you got to I'm sorry, you got to go eat a burger, ma'am. I'm sorry. There's there's there's steak and potatoes down there. But I'm sorry. Actually, those are those are Irish. She can't have those either. I don't know what you eat, frankly. Potato Packers for the Irish. OK. I yeah, I'm again, not a serious suggestion, but it's just funny that she can't wait to get back to her margaritas and her mahjong, because she hates the immigrants so much. Interesting. To be fair, she hates a lot of people. She hates the Chinese generation. She she hate apparently made it like Dana. Didn't think Dana's going to make it. Called her Virginia slim. You're too skinny. You don't got the hips for being a nurse. What are you going to do? What are you going to do with them? Hips when some homeless drunk Mexican comes at you with a knife, Dana, nothing. Now, yeah, I don't. Yeah, I'm trying to imagine. I try to write Monica dialogue in real time. It's like, I'm sorry, it's going to come out racist. All right. Of course. Yeah. Yeah, racist generationalist who knows. Yeah, I liked this woman less and less the more I heard her speak. But I guess she was there for her friend. That's her. I'm glad she came in and she's good at her job and she helped the hospital work and I hope she forgets to vote in November. I think that also what you think about the reaction to Dana in the same scene where Abbott comes up and gives her props like, wow, you're the real mama bear that holds this thing together. And she pulls a Robbie and almost burst out in tears. I think she feels like she's failing Robbie like. Oh, shit. She Robbie thinks he's supposed to take all of this on himself and he has been. But she's she's there to support him and she feels like that's a failing. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good because I was thinking like maybe she's like one step behind a Robbie meter where it's like, I know. I did not. I did not sign up to be the mom for this department. I do not want this pressure of everybody relying on me. I want everyone to get to my fucking level. And then also, yeah, she's just consumed with worry for Robbie and. The fact that I imagine it's bad when you tell someone the truth, but you forget to do it with love because you're so fucking angry and frustrated and you think that you might have hardened them against a position you're trying to talk him into. I feel like Dana was there. She she tried to level. She stepped in a minefield. She made it worse. And now Robbie won't listen to her and she doesn't know what to do. Yeah. Now, her telling about even really trying here. Her telling Abbot, you got to make him listen. OK. All right. I'll get right on that. Me and Cable have a sidebar about how you force people to do something they don't want to do and we'll see. I have a thing to talk about Larry and Antoine. I didn't realize that they were, I guess, comic relief. I just thought that they were guys who were brought in to and they like, you know, they're just trying to make things their medical assistance. I guess they're like truly grunts, like physical labor type things. But I just just Robbie is like, what do they do? And I was making a cafe here on the other's arguing this baby mama. And Robbie's like, yeah, sounds about right. And literally 15 minutes later in the show, we go out to the ambulance bay and Antoine is still there like, no, baby, she texted me. No, you can go through my phone. Look at like, he's still arguing with this on this day. That's love it. Yeah. McKay, McKay had some words of sunburn girl and it. The only thing it did for me is move the her beef injection plot forward. Her back. What's what's your what's your what's your guess? What's your guess percentage wise does McKay meet that guy at the art art installation next week or she does the the Triple B? No, I think she's going to do a Triple B. I don't think today is the day to try to go out. Afterward, she is frazzled, man. Everyone here is frazzled. You think the guy shows up? She just stands. She's ghost. If I'm that dude, I'm not putting on. Yeah, I'm not like. I'm not primping myself out. I'm not like primping myself up, primping myself. You're pipping yourself out. I got you. OK. I'm not pipping myself out. I'm not putting on my finest clothing. I'm not showing up at the damn place without at least a text. Hmm. Yeah, that's right. That's true. I was going to say, like, I would show up for McKay and shine myself up and all that. But like, yeah, you're right. Without a text, without a confirmation, because this was like a shot like he was shooting a shot here, but he's got to know it actually went in. So on the other hands, July 4th was the worst thing that could happen if you go to a art exhibit and then go out for a drink just by yourself. You know, maybe you'll meet some other. I was really interested in some of the other stuff that McKay was doing. Also, can I say the sunburn girl who's been just absurdly in the background of every shot being walked around this hospital. Why have they been doing this if the solution is literally just sunscreen, aloe and baths like just send her. I think it's funny that I got shamed for saying, why the hell is this girl here with this sunburn when all she needs to go home is like take a cool shower and put on it. And then for everyone to be like, well, you actually is going to be a medical emergency. And then McKay is like, yeah, I just go take a cool bath, put some aloe, it'll be fine. But I also fair enough. I'm not an idiot. We all apologize. If you get a partial second degree body burn over your whole body, it's probably better to be safe than sorry. And it looked pretty bad. That's like no sunburn I've ever had. She's like sour cream white with red hair. Of course, it's fucking bad. Like she fell asleep in the sun with apparently no sunscreen. That is as bad as you can get, man. Yeah, so it's hilarious that now they're sitting her home. But I here's the other thing with McKay when she goes to Robbie and there's been this whole thing with Javadi already, where Javadi is caught in an empty room making tick tocks or whatever Robbie thinks she's doing. And McKay comes up and is like, no, she wasn't doing that. She's actually trying to find Jesse. And this is like how it's done nowadays, right? Like you get your information from your network, which yeah, for her is all online. It's online. It's probably a lot of local Pittsburgh people. It's people that are concerned, like already plugged in. Like it is. Yeah, she's not trying to do social media, it's per se. She's leveraging her already success in social media to try to be helpful. But. And then I will say she kind of loses me at the end where she's like, Oh, and have you checked out her tick tocks? It's actually doing some really bad ass self care stuff. I'm like, what is bad ass self care? I don't know. A lot of self a lot of self care and self help tends to be very soft. You know, and like, I think there's room for self help that appeals to people who maybe are appeals to something that's a little bit more empowering or stoic or something. Maybe that's what she's doing. But yeah, I don't know. I'd like to see myself. I'd like to see myself. But yeah, we'll get to see that future season. I thought Dr. J. Handled a really great though, when Robbie's dressed her down, doing all this stuff. It's like, you know, when I was in bed, it's like, I get it. You didn't have cell phones. You didn't have this and you didn't have ice busting in and stealing your nurses and Robbie's his like his like, I was like, I guess I had cell phones. Maybe not in the beginning. I just thought I just suited when she was saying I was thinking back. Like I saw Dr. Robbie doing his fourth year med school of resident rotation at Cook County Hospital. You fuckers had pagers, man. That's where that's where we were at back and back in the day. I do wonder, did when did cell phones show up on ER? That was that was a nice funny man. I was thinking that's why. Yeah. Yeah, you can see the Dr. Carter and the Dr. Robbie kind of merge. Yeah, I just assume any time they talk about Dr. Robbie's history, they're referring to ER. Yeah, because I assume it's funny, but I don't know. Never saw it. I saw Noah Wiley at another interview. I forget who he's sitting with, but they read a statement that George Clooney made another interview. He's like, I don't know if it's cringe to say this, but I'm just so incredibly proud of Noah Wiley. And I think he's doing such great work on the pit and it's like so. And like, you know, he's giving him his props. And then the person interviewing Wiley's coming in and saying, the person interviewing George Clooney asked, would you ever be on the pit? And George Clooney said in a heartbeat and Wiley said, well, you know, he's he said that. But when, you know, how many oceans 11 is he had? I know why he's not been an ocean 11. Like he's like, but like, yeah, OK, yeah, OK. I finally got a hit show again. You're wanting on it. Oh, OK, George, like is he big time? Do it's so funny. Uh, I don't know if that helped their lawsuit. If Doug Ross shows. Yeah. Yeah. Although I did, is I don't want to say that I think Eric LaSalle. Well, that's I think I said that as like if his mentor hadn't died, like I just pretended his mentors, Dr. Alec Alisa, Eric LaSalle. Because he was like about that older. He was the African American gentleman. It's like, yeah, the one to one, that's my head cannon. That's who we lost in covid. Uh, moving on, there's a little brief interaction with Dr. Now, Ella, she's one of the ner, the night residents. And she is talking with Langdon, who's feeling sorry for himself at the beginning of the episode. And she makes this reference to Rumblefish. With God, what was it? It was a motorcycle boy and Rusty James. And this was a 1980s Francis Ford Coppola film. He says it's his personal favorite film. And I guess it's well regarded, like Ebert gave it three and a half stars, but it flopped. I've never heard of this film. Yeah, I haven't either. I had no idea what they were talking about. Look at this cast, Matt Dillon, Mickey Rourke, Diane Lane, Nicholas Cage, Lawrence Fishburne, Dennis Hopper. How have I I feel like I'm not a real film? I feel like I'm not a real film fan. I failed anyway. Yeah, it was made before I was alive, right? I got that excuse, at least. Yeah, not me. A3. Not quite. I could have seen it as a baby. But it's it's yeah, it's like I did. It's a really on point reference because it's about this guy, motorcycle boy, who's the older brother of Rusty James. And he is this infamous motorcycle outlaw who is in the dupe place where he don't want to do that no more. And he wants to like get out of that life. But his younger brother is all about that life. And because his brother is such a huge figure, wants to be big. Obviously, there's a lot of. Oh, yeah, a lot of that dynamic with Robbie and Langdon. And the realization that like, you know, Dr. Ellis, hey, I've been working with this guy for 10 months. So I'm mad at you. He's mad at himself because he let you down. Rusty James. Yeah. Dr. Ellis got him. Got his ass. But there's but there's more to it even than that. Right. There's Langdon's a bit of a mirror being held up to Robbie about the things he should do too. So that's the subtext. Yep. We talked about Dr. J's TikToks, I think we covered that. Yeah, Robbie just wanted to brutalize the the women residents and med students this year. Just really taking it to Dr. Davati and Mohan. And wow, Mohan, you know, she is just. Sitting there almost like an awake with Mrs. Diaz, Mrs. Diaz is whispering things to her husband and crying over him, why they're waiting to take him up to Nero. And Robbie finally does the thing that we thought he'd be doing for like three episodes where he goes and actually asks Mohan how she feels. And she's even taken aback. And then he pins that into like, well, don't take it too hard. The your patient made the mistake, not you. What mistake he had? Diabetes? I should have jumped off. Oh my God, Robbie. Doesn't make her feel better. I don't think. No, I want to throw. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, that's again. And again, again, as the whiplash thinking like, oh, finally, finally, he's going to take the sting out of this a little bit. And now he just. Yeah. Lemon juice and salt, baby. I mean, the thing that might help or should help her if she wasn't, you know, wallowing so much is it was his call. Ultimately, it was his call. She did everything like the case he lays out is ironclad. Like you went above and beyond for this guy. And it was just reason. You weren't there to stop him is because you made a run to the supply closet to get the things he needs and why when you did that, he snuck out. Yeah. I mean, I look. I think Mohan is allowed to feel bad about this. I can't imagine. I can't imagine this job. This job would fucking kill me. Uh, and like learning that detachment and like, OK, yeah, I could. I maybe could have done things better, but also ultimately, the patients are big boys and girls and they get to do what they want. They get to resist medical advice and all that stuff. But, man, I like this. I found it surprising when we were talking about that interview where Noah Wiley's talking about like, I'm surprised that people think. I'm surprised that he's surprised when there's things like this episode where it's like it's a three part shit, the Mohan. And I was surprising to the viewers. Then you think he's asking about her to make amends and he's just digging for dirt on Dr. Al. And then when he finally gets around, he gets this last dig on like, now, man, that's pretty that's pretty cruel. Yeah, he's in a bad place. I always try to remember that about Robbie. He's not in a place to be supporting these people. And that's what he should realize about himself. Yeah, is I can't do the thing that I claim I want to be doing here. If I'm not healthy. And he's probably got the problem. A lot of us have he has a hard time taking help from other people. Look how hard it was to take help for Duke. Maybe he doesn't have anyone he thinks he can ask for help. Maybe, like I said, I feel like it's a no brainer that they need to attend in this hospital in the yard. Especially when one of them is a micro sleeping, right? Yeah, that might actually be a good thing. That might be why she's suggesting that. I thought it's interesting that Whitaker is bookended. You know, first thing he does is gets his new doctor's card where he's no longer a med student. He's a he's a doctor. And then he fucking loses his first shift. That is, I mean, that's a St. Huckleberry, right? Oh, yeah. And also like Santos, like that's funny, because like half the time these kids don't get MacGyver references. Then you got Santos dropping this clue reference. And I got to, you know, I'm glad I decided to radically accept and love her because this joke she makes about like, oh, the poor boy doesn't have a clue. I love it. Love it. It's really good. Beautiful. I'm just questioning who the hell in the world doesn't know what the clue is. I don't think I've ever met a single person who didn't know the movie or the board game. One of the two. The thing is, is as we get further from the end, like, you know, that's an old board game, man. And it's not like the big one, like monopoly. I. Yeah. But it's in that genre for me. Like that. That's a group. Right. I was like, Santos doesn't know. And Santos, neither Whitaker or her know what who MacGyver is. Whitaker knows about Gilligan's Island. Santos knows about clue. It's like, I mean, I guess that's real, like young people. You never know what their parents were into. Yeah. Yeah. What what what? That's everything is like, why does he know? But then when he mentioned, oh, someone's been watching Nick and I. That's yeah, that's how I got like Whitaker would know about Gilligan's Island. Totally. Yeah, let's talk about that scene because that's big. What can we thought? There's a minor one of the old. So it's just a minor thing with the old lady where he tries to do Dr. Abbott and he gets her a I thought the thing was that she was going to live in the sticks and it was going to be like a hundred and eighty seven dollar bill. Just to take her ass out there. Her being like racist and also throwing up in this dude's car and getting him a negative lift review and a two hundred and fifty dollars surcharge. Oh. Yeah, don't judge a book by its cover. This lady may have seemed sweet and nice, but. Oh, she had some words for the driver. But I feel like this is why people don't do good things for people, because like if you do it long enough, you will eventually be burnt. And the longer you do it, the more egregiously you'll be burned. And then it's like, God damn, how can I? How can I put myself out there again? I mean, it'd be one thing if you had the money to burn, but like clearly. Huckleberry don't. Yeah, yeah, two hundred and fifty bucks a lot. Get your own fucking ride, lady. OK. OK, so Whitaker is desperately looking for his doctor pass. Langdon comes into the break room to take an Advil because his back is tweaked. Whitaker sees it and like it's always going to be it. It's always going to be a weird interaction, probably forever when you walk in on Langdon taking medicine, right? It's like, you know. And then Langdon. Langdon tries to kind of joke and be like kind of be a little bit of Santos with him and Whitaker just shuts it down. What's your read on this? Oh, you're going to have to ask somebody else. I'm fairly confused by this. The best thing I could come up with as to what is eating Whitaker here is he is intentionally trying not to be labeled as the farm boy. Mm hmm. But it doesn't sit right with me with the way that, you know, the like, hey, you've been working out, you go to the gym, whatever. Now I'm more of a barn guy. Like he probably wouldn't volunteer and say that if he were trying to defy that label. So like I really don't know why he chooses this moment to really. I guess reset boundaries with Langdon. Um, yeah, because I saw there's there's a lot of people confused and I don't have the answer, obviously, but there was a lot of people of different takes. Another take I saw was like, well, he's holding. He's fighting a Santos war. He's fighting a Santos war on this front. Like, you know, he's pissed at her because he's he's, you know, heard nothing but bad things about him and his friend. I think that's a bad thing to do, though. I don't think that I don't think it's had anything to do with Santos. I think this has to do with like he is fighting for respect because he is seen as a hayseed, a rural guy. You know, if you're. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of what I mean. Yeah, if you're from the Midwest or South, a lot of times people kind of look down on you, despite your educational background and all that kind of stuff. And and the fact that like Santos is already ruthlessly roasting him and he puts up with the Garcia and but he's friends with them. But this guy's coming back and he sees how say and he just wants to plug in and like, oh, he'll be my, you know, good nature punching bag. And Whitaker is just like, fuck, no, I I'm not even we're both doctors, dude. And I'm not going to have everybody treating me as the joke. And that's what it's like. I don't I don't care what role you play, but I don't want to be Gilligan. And I feel like people are trying to make me into Gilligan. That's what I thought. Yeah, that's kind of where I was getting it. But I didn't read anything that Langdon was saying here as being demeaning or like I make it funny because you're a farm boy. I thought he was just being jovial, just having fun. I think you're right. And that's also like why Whitaker, I think, apologize because he felt like it was a little strong. But like I mean, he was going into like, oh, what is this? Like Bay Pig in a city. So you must be farmer, hog it. And then the pig must be what is he was he going to say? Was he going to say to say to confess to not knowing the story of Babe or any of the characters? So oh, well, comparisons is it's about a target like a. He's the main farmer. He's the well, but he also like loves this pig and he raises this pig. And like, what was he going to say? Is he going to say to pig was Amy, his farm housewife? Was he going to say it? Santos was he going to say it was it was it was demeaning like you farmer. Harget is actually is an awesome guy. I wouldn't mind being compared to them, but not in like a medical setting from another resident who just got off a 10 month suspension for drugs and who is also Robbie's golden child and maybe Whitaker in the 10 months since has decided that maybe he wants to be Robbie's golden child. And there's I think there's a lot to it. I don't think I need to do to Santos, though. OK, yeah, I think I was just missing the Babe context. Hmm. Because, yeah, it does make sense to like, I look, I'm trying not to be. Yeah, that that I don't want to be. But everybody just like, I don't want to be seen as less than everybody else because I'm from the country. And it's lazy. Like, like, you don't know fucking shit about a fire. Be one thing if like there was another dude from Iowa and they wanted to bust each other's balls about like farm shit from a place of knowledge. But these people are just like, you're a fucking you just you're pitching hay and you're shoveling shit and he has one here. Sure. We'll be right back with more ball move after this brief pause. Hmm. And now back with more ball move. Yeah, I think we covered everything with St. Huckleby moving on to Dr. King. I think I say about that is like. So we had Santos baby being intrigued with the furry con. And King wants to be in. Historical reenactment. Because she might like and when when Santa said like as a joke, like, well, you think you could pull off a tricorne hat and she smiles and says, I think she's honestly geeked out about wearing a tricorne hat. And I bet she could pull it off easily. She looked great. How can this pay off? I want. But the thing is, like, this is so. I did this was the ER. Then yeah, I could look forward to seeing Dr. King rolling in in her minute man, minute woman outfit or whatever. But like, since this is the pit, how the hell are you ever going to get that worked in? But it's the night shift. It's just starting. The emergency happens where they need to call in all the doctors. She's been doing the reenactment all day and was just headed home. But she's got a divert to the ER. I wonder if she would play like a colonial battlefield medic. Will she have like a little black bag full of 18th century bonesaws and stuff? If I were her, I'd want to stay far away from my profession when I'm role playing. But this is true. I don't know. This is true. I didn't even think about that way. Who knows? Yeah, but I would like to see Mel do a reenfest or a historic reenactor. That seems a lot of fun. And then finally, Dr. Al Hashimi. This was a moment because she was very vulnerable. She brings Robbie in under the pretense of looking at a patient's history that she needs a second opinion on. And Robbie's kind of charmed by her kind of emotionally telling her how much she respects him as a doctor. And I don't think that Robbie necessarily feels that respect back because he's got a whole bunch of other bullshit, but he says it. But then like he's reading it and he's like, but then when he like stops reading and looks right at it and says, Baran, like I don't think I've ever heard her first name pronounced out loud. Is this you? And it fades the black. That really got me. Yeah, I was going to say like this wasn't a moment. This still is a moment. You know, we're going to go into next episode in this moment. And I. I don't know where it's headed because I like. He's suspicious of her over the last few episodes. He's never liked her. He's always been a little irked by even from the moment he showed up. And realized she was wrong here before him. Yeah, yeah. And by God, gotten treasonous bagels. Yeah, like, yeah, they rubbed each other wrong from the jump. And then she rubbed he rubbed her wrong. Like I spent the time to have this introductory docket and put all this time and effort you didn't fucking look at. So yeah, they've been at like this. Yeah, how is this going to come together? Are they are they going to come together over this? Or is this going to be something that he'll react like he did with Javadi like he has with Mohan like he has with so many other people right now because he's in a bad place. I'm I'm a little worried that he's not going to react the way we hope he would, which is have a little bit of empathy here. Oh, man, I felt like. Boy, if he comes if he comes back off of that scene and says something shitty to her, it's really going to throw me because it felt like he finally. Yeah, like her as a person as a human being, not as a colleague, not as a foe, not as a, you know, someone that she's got a jockey with politically or anything, something that is good. Now she's just she's just a person. She's just a sick person standing in front of him and she's got tears in her eyes. Someone did a really funny. So I did a really funny thing with Dr. Al on the the Pitt TV show subreddit where they're like Dr. Al Hashimi on hour one and it was her like smiling and her makeups fresh and everything. Dr. Dr. Al after 14 hours in the pit and she's got dark circles in her eyes and there's tears falling out and her makeup. It's like every character. It's almost like if you ever seen one of those things like this is what the president looked like on the day you sworn in and this is what he looked like every every person. Like whether they came in at forty five or they look like they've aged 20 years and eight. Is this really funny? But yeah, I think he saw her as just a person. I think you're right. And he sees her also at the risk of maybe sliding Robbie here a little bit. I think he also sees a vulnerability that he can support here. Like this is now a reason for him to do what he's doing with everybody else, which is being the rock, you know, this might be. I don't know. It feels weird. I don't want that. I don't necessarily want him to be, you know, her father. I want them to be equals. I could see him warming up to her, not from it, but just be like, oh, I finally have a dynamic I'm comfortable with. This is a person needs my help, but I can help her. Yeah, that's not exactly healthy. But we've only got an hour of it. Like next episode is it for the season. So they're going to come back with a time jump of some kind unless they do the night shift and we just roll right in. But I saw a lot of takes of people discussing this. Like is it irresponsible, Dr. Alashimi, to try to practice medicine in this fast based environment when she's having these absent seizures and a lot of like, you know, and this is like, I guess that's like the layman's opinion. And then there was a lot of, you know, obviously there's a lot of medical workers. I hear that they're premiering the finale episode at select cities and select locations for like hospital work, like they're doing like Gala premieres for like hospital workers and stuff, which is awesome. I feel. Yeah. But like a lot of them said, you know, it's like, if you have seizures, it's not like your life is over. Like most most jurisdictions, like you you can't drive or operate heavy machinery unless you've been six months this year, seizure free. They could be medically controlled. She could have had these seizures under control for 20 years. And I guess like they think this one doctor called it breakthrough seizures. Like because of the unique stress she's under or maybe some of the flash that it overwhelmed the medication level she's on and she might need to be on a higher level of medicine or maybe she's already at the max. And this is going to impact her career. But it's it would be. Yeah. It would be probably stepping over bounds or jumping to conclusions to say that she was irresponsible, putting patients at risk when this might. And people said like that her reaction of calling her doctor was not one of like, oh, fuck, I knew this is going to happen. It's happening or more like I thought this was handled. Why is it happening and having? Yeah. And now that she's dealt with the data has happened two or three times. I think her going to Robbie and being like, fuck, man, should I be practicing medicine? It's funny when you said he's finally got a weakness. I thought it's like, are you going to say that to exploit because like, she's just how dark is right now. But but yeah, it's like, finally, she ain't going to edge me out of this. Yeah. I could see. This is sorry. Sorry, I was. I was just going to say, yeah, yeah, seizures and further wrong attending lady. All right, right. Now I got you. I I wonder if they're going to go the direction of like she dipped her toe into the high stress environment, thought she had a handle, like you said, her condition and realized, oops, I don't and has to step back out. Like could be. Could she she might not be here next season because she realizes this is not good for me or the patients. I'm going to go back to my clinical informatics or whatever. And I can contribute to the ERs through my work with AI and those systems. But being in it moment by moment is good for nobody. Yeah, also the other sad interpretation I saw from some of the medical knowledge that says that like there's like an in between interpretation where it's like maybe she knew this was a risk like long term when you get older, like you're going to have worse seizures or it's going to be harder to control. And she was trying to flip into administrative. You know, because she's Buddy Buddy with Gloria and all that kind of like she was trying to get more of an administrative role. So she could like by the time it started being medically debilitating, she could be in a desk job or something where like she could have a velocity. Yeah, but she could still be in medicine, do what she's like. But but she isn't there and she was trying to get there. But but now the seizures have come or that would be really tragic. Like it's one thing to think it's handled, but it's another be like, oh, God, I've got like a 10 year window where I can get to where I need to be to still be the thing I love. But I don't know. Maybe that's maybe that's about she's hoping Robbie can help her get there. That's that. Or also it would be kind of cool since we know that the person playing Gloria is, you know, she works a lot. She does a lot of stuff like David Simon, a lot of stuff on HBO. What if she actually is Gloria next season? I think that would be interesting because Robbie and her didn't get along anyway. And you've got that'd be. But I don't know, like I said, we I don't know enough medically other than looks like she had a normal childhood. She's five years old. She had a fever with meningitis. We saw the kid last year had profound brain issues from untreated meningitis. Seems like she had it. And that's where it cuts off because we don't know what her history was from that point forward. But. Yeah, I wonder, man, I want more insight into what happened. Oh, where was the hospital she worked in? Was it Afghanistan? Yeah, that's where she was. Yeah, it was a convolved hospital. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I because now now I'm like starting to connect those dots. Is it because we thought all the stress and the you know, zoning out was coming from that, right? We saw her around the baby and we were she was having moments like that around the baby. So we assumed a lot about that. But knowing this now, it almost doesn't feel like the baby is the cause. It feels like she might have had some issues around that time as well with your condition. And now they're flaring back up because she's in a high stress environment again. And again, I'm not a doctor, but I did see discussion that like sometimes intense personal traumas and stuff like that resurgence can like cause the seizure to break through, you know, like it's an extra. So yeah, it's a little extra adrenaline boost that causes whatever mental misfiring to overcome. So like, yeah. You're just but the other thing is like you got to wonder if Robbie would do the same thing if he is in her shoes or would Robbie try to like keep going and hide it and because at least she's going to someone and her chief rival today, she's going to it. Like that is a level of professionalism that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if Robbie could do that. That the right thing that way. Like if he was in a Langdon situation or he was doing like would he would he would he do the right thing or would he try to keep going on and just like, I want you know, I'll fix it. I'll get it. Yeah, it's. Yeah, no, he wouldn't. A lot of loose ends that's so up next episode or kick down to the future seasons night shift spin offs. I don't know. I don't know. Sure. If you would like to send us some feedback, the pit at bald move dot com is how you do that again. We'll have a guest host to consider some of that next week, but also don't forget. 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