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06-12-26 Part One - A Random Memorandum

76 min
Jun 12, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Gary McNamara and Eric Hurley discuss President Trump's handling of Iran negotiations, criticizing his repeated claims of imminent deals that fail to materialize. They analyze the disconnect between Trump's public statements about Iran's military capabilities and the reality of ongoing Iranian military activity, while expressing concern about erosion of confidence among his conservative base.

Insights
  • Presidential credibility on national security erodes when public statements about military achievements are contradicted by subsequent enemy actions, particularly when a leader has previously warned about being 'played for suckers'
  • Conservative base loyalty is conditional on consistent action and messaging—repeated failed deal announcements damage trust more than admitting difficulty in achieving objectives
  • Negotiation leverage requires demonstrated willingness to walk away; appearing desperate for any agreement signals weakness to adversaries and undermines domestic political support
  • Military advisors (Hegzeth, Joint Chiefs) may be advocating for decisive action while civilian leadership pursues diplomatic solutions, creating mixed messaging that confuses allies and enemies
  • Hyperbolic statements about military victories during active conflict create credibility gaps when contradicted by intelligence reports of enemy capability restoration
Trends
Erosion of executive credibility through repeated unfulfilled promises on major foreign policy initiativesConservative media and Trump supporters publicly criticizing administration strategy on national securityDisconnect between presidential rhetoric and military/intelligence community assessments of adversary capabilitiesBase fragmentation risk when national security policy appears to prioritize negotiation over decisive military actionMedia comparison of current administration to Carter-era foreign policy failures as political liabilityAllies (Israel, Netanyahu) publicly distancing themselves from administration diplomatic initiativesSocial media as real-time indicator of base sentiment and political vulnerability on key issuesMilitary establishment potentially overriding civilian leadership preferences on operational decisionsMemorandum of Understanding as diplomatic stalling tactic rather than substantive agreement frameworkStrategic resource control (uranium, Strait of Hormuz, Kharg Island) as non-negotiable policy objectives
Topics
Iran Nuclear Negotiations and Memorandum of UnderstandingPresidential Credibility and Base Confidence in National SecurityMilitary vs. Diplomatic Strategy in Middle East PolicyIran's Military Capabilities and Drone/Missile ProgramsKharg Island Strategic Control and Strait of Hormuz SecurityIsraeli-American Alliance and Coordination on Iran PolicyConservative Base Fragmentation and Political LoyaltyHyperbolic Presidential Statements vs. Intelligence RealityNegotiation Strategy and Walking Away from the TableIRGC Regime Removal vs. Nuclear Deal FrameworkEconomic Inflation and Presidential MessagingKurdish Forces and Intelligence FailuresComparison to Carter Administration Foreign PolicySocial Media as Political Sentiment IndicatorDefense Secretary and Joint Chiefs Authority in Military Operations
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Relief Factor
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JJ Keller and Associates
Transport safety and compliance company providing regulatory guidance segment on roadside inspection documentation
Fox News
News network where military experts and Trump advisors discussed Iran strategy and military options
Wall Street Journal
Reported story about Trump's reluctance to strike after helicopter attack and military leadership pressure
New York Post
Published editorial criticizing Trump's advisors for making him look like a sucker in Iran negotiations
CNN
Network where Scott Jennings appeared defending Trump's controversial 'I love inflation' statement
Westwood One
Radio network distributing Red Eye Radio broadcast
People
Gary McNamara
Co-host discussing Iran policy, presidential credibility, and conservative base sentiment
Eric Hurley
Co-host analyzing Trump administration's Iran negotiations and military strategy decisions
General Jack King
Appeared on Fox News advocating for complete regime removal rather than negotiated settlement
Keith Kellogg
Discussed on Fox News advocating for decisive military action and total war approach to Iran
Benjamin Netanyahu
Israeli leadership publicly distancing from Trump's Iran deal framework and memorandum of understanding
Mark Thieson
Argued against negotiation strategy, advocating for regime decapitation and destruction instead
Scott Jennings
Struggled to defend Trump's 'I love inflation' statement on CNN, acknowledging it was inarticulate
Jennifer Griffin
Reported on Iranian drone attacks against commercial vessels in Strait of Hormuz
Jim Garrity
Analyzed disconnect between Trump's claims of Iranian military destruction and ongoing capabilities
Pele
Referenced by hosts regarding 1977 New York Cosmos exhibition match in sports discussion segment
Quotes
"I don't want to hear a damn thing about a deal. I don't want to deal with Iran. Remember, no, no, a memorandum of understanding."
Gary McNamaraEarly segment
"You're losing your base. Yeah, you're losing your base on the year. You're conservative base. You're losing it."
Eric HurleyMid-episode
"If I see Ayatollah Junior being taken basically by American forces, if I know that we have control, if I see across the board that we have control of the regime does not have control and that we have their uranium, I'll say well played. I don't have confidence."
Gary McNamaraMultiple references
"The goal should not be to get them back to the table. We've launched 13,500 strikes and it hasn't brought them to the table in any serious way. That's a hopeless cause at this point."
Mark ThiesonFox News segment
"You've been blinking more than Joel Osteen, the pastor. You've been blinking like crazy."
Gary McNamaraMid-episode analysis
Full Transcript
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And I was thinking as I got out of the car and just walked a short distance to the door, which is like what, 20, 30 feet? That, yeah. When I first lived in Texas and Florida in the 80s. Well, let me just start it with, let me start the premise with this. Back then, I am so old that when I was young, AC was an option. Yeah. Air conditioning was an option. I did not have air conditioning for the three and a half years that I first lived in Florida in Texas and I drove around and never thought anything about it. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, that must be youth. Yeah. I can't imagine. I can't imagine not having air conditioning. I lived in Texas all of my life. It's never been an option for me. Yeah, exactly. But I remember driving, never thinking about it when I first got my job in Florida, you know, because in, you know, in Buffalo, it's like, you never, you just open the windows during the summer and you're young and, you know. You look at your radio paycheck and you go, I don't need air conditioning. Or food. Or even a place to live. I'll just live on the beach. That's where the term in radio, if you're out of a job, you know, at least back in the day, they used to say, he's on the beach or she's on the beach. That means you're out of a job. And it's like, anybody have their phone number? And back then, we didn't have anybody's phone number. You know, and I do remember when I first got into radio and you'd see the, remember the ads you'd see in the trade magazines and everything else. Florida jobs, it goes, look, low pay, low pay, long hours, but we have beautiful beaches. Now, what they didn't explain is, if it's low paying, long hours, you don't have the time or the money to go to the beach. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then at that point being young, you know, drinking wasn't an option. Can I get free drinks or complimentary drinks somewhere? No, not really. You're going to have to drink for them. Well, on ladies night, you'd put a wig on and then sneak in. Hi, I'm here for ladies night. How did you know I did that? Yeah. That would be the sign of a true. I did it. And I didn't have to put a wig on. That would be the sign of a true alcohol. Yeah. I'm here for my free drinks. Please. By the way, I've always called that sexist. No. No. What? Using a voice like that? Are you saying you're a sexist for using the ladies night? Ladies getting free drinks. That actually was a thing. Yeah. Ladies get in free drink, free till nine. Most states stopped that though, didn't they? Yeah. Free drink thing. Because ladies drink heavily. Just remember it was women drink free. Yeah. It's like the men are like, we're going. Well, well, well, no, tell me how that's not a predatory. It's like, you know, you know what it is? Wow. It's like putting, it's like, like putting feed out, you know, for, for the deer next to your blinder. Oh, that's, that's basically it. Hey, we'll get them in here and get them drunk for you. Oh my God. You do the rest. What were the stories? What the hell is that? What were the stories of benefit that was still around and, you know, Plattner was still running for the Senate. Oh, then it would be excused as behavior when he was learning about himself. Wow. What a day it was yesterday. Yes. There was the before noon central time. And then there was the after noon central time. And it depends, you know, if you built your day around the news before noon, I mean, you're wearing fatigues. If you built your day around afternoon, right afternoon, central time. You're back in your pajamas. It was, it's ground holiday. I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't round all day. So now not only has this president. I wrote it, the confidence of his base, the trust is being eroded every day. I don't know why you would believe anything is going to be done. And I don't want to hear a damn thing about a deal. I don't want to deal with Iran. Remember, no, no, a memorandum of understanding. Yeah. Right. It was, it was a really interesting day just so people know. I mean, there are Iran's, Iran's foreign minister directly rejects this from seven hours ago. Trump's claim that everyone in Iran has approved the deal. He says no one has accepted it inside of Iran. The stories out there Netanyahu was caught completely off guard. He's like, we don't know about, you know, we don't know about this. So you've got, and I was reading from Israeli media, Iran denies the existence of an agreement and Israel says no such agreement exists. And then you had, I saw the Jennifer Griffin posting. I have that here. Yeah. Iran filed, fired several drones at commercial vessels attempting to transit the Strait of Hormuz. I'm background for a senior U.S. defense official. It appears Iran has attempted to strike commercial ships, transiting the Strait of Hormuz tonight. U.S. forces shut down the two Iranian one way attack drones, traffic flow through the straight continues. You know, I don't know how long this can go on. We talked about it yesterday, you know, you know, full, full me once, shame on you, full me 39 times. You know, we know how that that same goes. Well, the thing is, is that there, there, there are patterns of behavior at wartime that you, that you notice, like a president making an eight minute speech after the deed is done, not announcing we're going to do this long before the deed is supposedly going to be done. And when they mentioned Carg Island, by the way, I hope we do take Carg Island. I mentioned that just days ago. I don't know why we don't have control of all the islands in the straight. We should control them all along with our allies. We should control them all. And first and foremost, Carg Island. But I didn't believe it then because you're saying this. So you're saying this is going to happen. Is going to happen. Why would you announce that because you put our armed forces in harm's way by telling the enemy we're coming? You don't give a heads up to the enemy. That was the first red flag. We're going to be doing this. Now, typically what you see is a president walking out afterward saying this is what has happened. This is what we have done. I'm sitting in a parking lot, you know, I was on my way to pick up a couple of my grandkids and I was sitting in a park. I pulled over to get some gas and I'm sitting there in the parking lot thinking, none of this is real. And that was right. And then the phrasing, it was all over the place on the agreement that they had come to. It's just or supposedly had come to. I don't believe anything anymore. I don't. Tell me when you've done it and then tell Hexeth and the Pentagon to explain to me what was done when I see that. I'll believe it. Otherwise, I'm not listening. And you have zero confidence from me that this will get done. I'm not here to look for a deal. And they had, by the way, I saw on media yesterday in the morning before the turnaround. I saw a number of military experts going, this is exactly what needs to happen and don't leave one, one trace of the regime in place. Oh, yeah, you're, this was General Jack King yesterday on Fox News. Amazing you brought that up because you didn't even know that I had that ready to go. No, I can't see your screen. But here it is yesterday on Fox News. So I'm looking at this deal and saying to myself, even if they sign, as the president indicates, on a dotted line, won't they stall the implementation of that? And won't they cheat dealing with the implementation of that? And you're nodding yes. Yes, they will. Because we know it. We expect it. Yeah, we, so I still think the preferred option here is to recognize who we're really dealing with here. And we're never going to make the perfect deal with these guys because they're not going to implement it. Let's get on with the 10 to 14 days that we need to finish them militarily. And yes, president is focusing on what would cause economic collapse of the regime, Cog Island. Yeah. And, you know, that's, he wasn't the only one to say that on Fox News yesterday. Let me just get this. This is Keith Kellogg, former Trump advisor on it. And, you know, it's, it's sad because it seems like there's no self awareness in the White House at all. Yeah. And you see the Wall Street Journal and the White House isn't denied at Wall Street Journal. This is a news section, not the editorial section. So I'm always suspect, but they haven't responded and said it wasn't true that, you know, Trump, you know, downplaying the shooting of the helicopter. It was Hegzeth and the Joint Chiefs of Staff had that convinced him you need to attack that he didn't want to attack. It was Hegzeth and the general that convinced him to do it. We'll see whether that, you know, they deny that or, or not. But here's Keith Kellogg also on Fox News yesterday. We're going to go in, we're going to finish the job. Having a protracted war is not the American way of war. It's a war we've been conditioned to in the last few decades where we've done things in Afghanistan or Iraq. We ought to go back to the way we did it in like World War II or World War I, and we just finished the job, total war, obliterate them, and say, when you need to come to the table and you want to talk to us, you got our phone number, but until then we're done. Because right now we're playing their game, not our game. Let's play our game and force them to come to us. Yeah, force who's left to come to us, because at the end of it I would say you don't leave any, any of those who are loyal to the regime in place, period. They're all gone. It's really amazing because there seems to be, you know, when he jumped on yesterday, you know, you keep, you keep saying, well, I hope, you know, I hope this is the case. But I doubt it. And then when he was further in the day when I saw it, well, it's a memorandum of understanding of where that's framework. You know, this is framework talk that we reject completely, which just is another stall, you know, by Iran and everybody knows it. And the president getting, you know, like I've said, we've done this long enough where we know on social media when, you know, the cheerleaders for the president, and they exist. And it's just the reality that we live in and happens on the right and the left. And these are the influencers out there that whatever the president did, they would, you know, just boom rah rah rah like cheerleaders, nothing, nothing, nothing. No, they can't even defend what's going on here. The president looks horribly weak and and everybody, every Republican knows it right now. Every conservative knows it. Why he's doing it this way. When he knows the history of Iran, I cannot tell you. I, I know there was nothing absolutely nothing that was going to happen from the beginning. So I don't know how you conjure up some kind of massive set of just it sounds like stories made up at the end of it when you go, Oh, well, we've got a memorandum of understanding. No, you don't. No, you don't. And there won't be one if you did. Nobody would trust it. So it's, it's, it all goes back to a level of trust, whether people trust you here domestically at home, or trust Iran and nobody trusts Iran. Well, you're, you're losing your base. Yeah, you're losing your base on the year. You're conservative base. You're losing it. And then when it was out there now, you know, that you saw the stories, well, they may sign this on Saturday and the big signings of the president won't go. But JD Vance might go and I'm sitting the thing and you want to enrage your base. Do a memorandum of understanding where it stalled out for another couple of months. And you think this is going to help. Well, what's the purpose of doing it? And, and it just, it doesn't, it doesn't make, it doesn't make any sense, especially how the president started this. And then I was on Fox News, they were talking about, you know, inside the Iranian, the Iranian media and everything else, what they're calling, you know, it's taco Trump. You know, that that's what they're saying. This agreement is great for us. This is taco Trump. He's crumbling completely. And that was on Fox. Not only are you giving them leverage over the U.S. You're giving the enemy leverage over us. You're giving them leverage over their own people. You know, this story of, well, we were going to send arms to the people of Iran for so they could overthrow the government. And the Kurds let us down. We won't forget it. Kurds. Listen, there's so many moving parts to that one. I don't even know where to begin. I don't know how to process that one yet. It'd be interesting to find out the details of how that happened because that's, that is a, if that happened, that's a major, major, major failure of intelligence to understand what the Kurds might do on this. Well, and I wouldn't admit it. I wouldn't admit that failure. Yeah, it's a great point. You know, and so that's the problem that I have with it is if we were talking about Kurdish forces, if we were talking about those that had some experience, because it is going to take a great level of experience, I believe, to get the IRGC and the regime completely gone. And, and I don't know what that looks like. I'm not pretending to be an expert. I just know that all of this is going to require that and possession by the U.S. of their uranium. What end of story? What would got me is, you know, two days ago when the president came out and this is after the New York Post editorial saying his advisors need to stop making Trump look like a sucker. Yeah, you know, that's what they wrote. And then the president came out the next day and said, they're making us look like suckers. That you can't believe anything. And then this happens, which is just it, you know, and then by the time you get to the end of the day and everybody denies that there's any type of deal. And Israel says we're not a part of it. I just saw that story a couple minutes ago. They're not a part, you know, they're not a part of the deal. And it's a member of understanding you're like, well, you just said you're being played for a sucker and you seem to be repeating it over and over, you know, over again, as if there's this great deal out there and your own party. And Fox News, you've got some of your most loyal supporters basically going, what the hell are you doing? Look, if if if days from now, we see Ayatollah Junior in a KSM like perp walk picture and we see that everything has been overthrown and that there is control of Iran by friendlies. Then I'll say well played. 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If I see Ayatollah Junior being taken basically by American forces, if I know that we have control, if I see across the board that we have control of the regime does not have control and that we have their uranium, I'll say well played. I don't have confidence. I have zero confidence that that will happen. If it does well played. The clock is ticking. If you don't control your money, it controls you. You're not in control of your finances. You have to look outside of yourself to live the life that you want. You're not in control. You're like, what is it that you actually want? Money should follow the dreams and goals because sometimes we make the dream and goal the money and you've overworked yourself and you've exceeded what you've needed for the actual thing you want. Sometimes we forget like, what's the actual thing you want? You're listening to Red Eye Radio from the Relief Factor Studio. And here's your crew and I'm Gary McNamara, download our Red Eye Radio app and you can listen when and where you choose. Should we even be attempting to get Iran back to the negotiating table? We'll get to that coming up in just one minute. Our founders believed that freedom was a way of life free to move forward, be free to pursue what matters the most. But sometimes pain can take you out of the game and are you actually free when your pain is keeping you on the sidelines? I didn't feel that way. Relief Factor changed all that for me. Relief Factor gave me some to try and it made a real difference in my life and I stopped to think about that. I said to myself and I remember one time my nephew and my son were going skiing and I couldn't because of my lower back. And that didn't, I didn't feel free. You know, I had to walk around town while they were up on the slopes and I didn't feel free at all in those moments. 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And on Fox News, you had, you know, two massive Trump supporters on there saying, this is a stop this. Yeah, you're not going to get anywhere. You're just stretching, you're stretching it out. Right. You know, and the fact and the problem is politically for the president on this is the fact that he was so critical of Obama. Yeah, right. And that Iran deal and his base serves like, you know, what are you doing here? Who's and the interesting thing is, you know, we, we saw the net was it? No, it was a New York Post say, you know, who are these advisors giving us this advice and we've said, well, it doesn't matter what advice the advisors are giving him. He's a commander. He's commander in chief. It's on him. And then again, I mean, the story that I'm, you know, I'm interested in to see if the administration responds is a Wall Street Journal story that said after the helicopter attack, he even inside the White House wasn't making a big deal of it. And it was Hague Seth and the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that told him, you've got to strike back. Yeah, you've got to strike back here. And likely because they were learning what the capabilities that they did have in place and how dangerous it was becoming as a result of regaining some ability. I'm guessing on that. But if you lump that that story, if it's accurate and true, that Hague Seth and the joint and the head of the Chiefs of Staff was actually telling the president, we need to do this. Along with the stories that say Iran has been able to uncover and regain use of missile sites and all this, if that's accurate and true, all is accurate and true, then they were learning something. It wasn't just about getting revenge on taking down the helicopter. It was about taking out their ability to take out anything else. And, you know, I saw this headline in the live coverage from Fox News and I had to laugh. Trump pivots on strikes while dangling Iran deal testing whether Tehran blinks. Well, Mr. President, you've been blinking more than Joel Osteen, the pastor. You've been blinking like crazy. And Joel Osteen blinks a lot. I just, that comparison, I'm sorry. I just didn't see that one coming out of your mouth. It's just, I don't, and I'm the one who has said through all that has been thrown at him, including multiple assassination attempts. He hasn't flinched. You're flinching a lot. One of the things I was reading, Jim Garrity national review talking about if some of America's objectives of this war was to eliminate the threat from Iran's ballistic missile and drone programs, those objectives have not been achieved yet. And while those threats are no doubt reduced, the question is how reduced and how reduced is that arsenal need to be for us to feel like we've done what we've needed to do to on Monday. The Iranian drone took down a U.S. Army Apache helicopter gunship patrolling the Strait of Hormuz. Thankfully, the two pilots were rescued when communicating to the American public during a war. It does not help to have a president with the propensity for sweeping hyperbolic statements. In the Meet the Press interview, Trump said, we have totally destroyed their military. On March 14, Trump posted on True Social, the United States of America has beaten and completely decimated Iran, both militarily and economically, and in every other way so. On March 16, Trump said they have literally been obliterated. The air force is gone. The Navy is gone. Many, many ships have been sunk and they're war fighting ships. But I and the anti-aircraft is estimated their radar is gone and their leaders are gone. This morning, the president, this is yesterday, wrote on True Social, Iran's military is a complete and total mess, much of it like their Navy and Air Force doesn't even exist anymore. They have been completely defeated. Iran is all talk and no action. The bully in the Middle East is dead. Well, maybe the drone that hit the Apache was a lucky shot. Clearly, the U.S. and Israel have undoubtedly inflicted serious damage on Iran's military overall, but that does not mean Iran's military is totally destroyed, that it has been completely defeated or that it cannot shoot down U.S. aircraft. No doubt one of the reasons the American public feels so negatively about the war against Iran is because the president is regularly giving them assurances that turn out to be false. And it goes on to the ballistic, the reports of the ballistic missile sites that a significant portion of them are back up again and they're shooting ballistic missiles. They shot what was it, 30 or whatever they shot at the other day at different allies. It's like you can't do that in a war. You can't, you know, on other issues, you can sit there and you can throw out hyperbole. You can't do it when you're at war. You don't need to do it. The United States doesn't need, you know, to do it and the president is losing credibility, not with the Democrats because they're never going to give him credit for anything. He's losing credibility in his own party and his most loyal supporters. And I don't know what they're thinking in the White House. I don't know who those advisors are that the New York Post talked about. Certainly I'm getting the feeling it's not Hegset or the Joint Chiefs of Staff. No, I don't think so at all. You know, and so who is it? Who is the one? And it's like, well, he believes he's a great negotiator and he can negotiate with anyone. Well, you can't negotiate when the other side doesn't want to negotiate. And they never have. And you can't negotiate if the other side believes that you're not going to do what you say you're going to do. And they don't. You say we have a deal. They say death to America. Right. I don't want to hear about any deal. There is no deal to be had. There's not a deal that's acceptable that leaves the regime in place, period. And I don't mean to me. This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact based on 47 years of fact building by the actions of the regime. Well, you know, got one of our listeners just sent on Twitter. I don't know who's giving him bad advice. Somebody is in the shadows. The problem is he should recognize what the bad advice is. He is the one that is constantly said we've been at war with them for 47 years. He is the one that said two days ago, we're being played for suckers by the Iranians. So the fact is it doesn't fall on anybody giving him advice. He's the commander in chief. But that stops with him. That's it. That's the reality. That's it. Nobody can make the call with him. Right. Nobody can make the call with him. And he is the one that as an air post pointed out, this would be number 39 that we're very close to a deal over the last nine to 10 weeks. This is the guy by the way that fires everybody who makes a wrong call and gets out of line. If you have any question about that, I don't buy this garbage that somebody's giving him bad advice and he's following it. I don't buy that at all. If anybody in his administration or anybody on his staff that does something notable that doesn't work, they're gone. They're gone. Ask the former AG. These are things that he's known for. If you're not working out, you're fired. 39 times and not fired? No, he's making the calls. Yeah. And it doesn't make, he's confusing his own, he's confusing his own party. He's confusing his, he's confusing the people that most supported him on this and we're fully aboard after that eight minute speech that he made and we're fully aboard when he said deal. The only thing we want is unconditional surrender. Yeah. And then you get to the point, I'm sorry, you know it burned me yesterday. It's like, well, you know, is it a ceasefire? Is it a peace deal? It's a memorandum of understanding. I went, oh my God, stop it. And God's sake, stop it. And it's garbage and BB had to come out, Benjamin Netanyahu comes out as you mentioned earlier, and had to separate themselves, you know, basically from that deal saying, you know, and he's trying to walk the fence here applauding the efforts, but saying, yeah, we're not a part of it. If they're not a part of it, there's a reason. Yeah. And sorry, they're, they're the ally, the ally in all of this. And if they're not on board, that should tell you everything. And the president's biggest supporters are saying, we don't care whether it's a memorandum of understanding a ceasefire, a peace deal. Tell us what's in it. Tell us what the enforcement is. Yeah. Tell us how we verify it. That's what we care about. Forget about a deal. Tell us what it is. Right. Tell us what you want. Don't say, and he said it again yesterday that, you know, they've agreed to give up their nuclear missiles or their, excuse me, their nuclear materials. Yeah. They've agreed to do it. Yeah. And it's like, where? And he said, what, we can have to go. Well, they've guaranteed that they've done it. Well, we don't care about a guarantee. We care about how you verify it. What's a guarantee from Iran look like? And how you enforce it. Yeah. Well, when he, when he, when he said that, I just went back to, I said, stop doing what they did on Tommy boy when Tommy boy was, hey, we guarantee this. Well, you can guarantee a bag of manure. Yeah, exactly. And it's just, well, a guarantee is only as good as the person who's offering you the guarantee. And also I saw a lot of this on social media yesterday. Well, the order of the deal, order of the deal, order of the deal, order of the deal. Art of the deal starts with one thing, trusting the other party, which you cannot do with this. Really? You saw people defending him with Art of the deal. Oh yeah. Was that early on the day? Yeah. Wow. Art of the deal, Art of the deal. I don't want to hear anything about the Art of the deal because the number one rule is you're only going to negotiate with somebody you can trust. And in business, in the private sector, we have laws that protect the deal in both parties. Yeah, you signed a contract. There is no, there is no guarantee. There is no international guarantee. Just magically wave your wand and there's an international guarantee that Iran will do it. Oh, we promise. Yeah. And a contract in the United States is enforced by civil law. That's what I was saying. Yeah, exactly. What you do, you have laws that protect both parties. Get out of line and you'll be in court and you'll pay. There's no, you better not come out and say, look, it's a guarantee and the international court will take care of it. No, I'm waiting for that. You better not. You guaranteed it. We trusted you. If you ever say, and by the way, by signing any memorandum of understanding with Iran or anything else, what you're saying is we trust Iran. Thanks, Baraka. We are Red Eye Radio. Coming up more with Gary McNamara and Eric Harley. It's Red Eye Radio. We are Red Eye Radio. He is Eric Harley and I'm Gary McNamara. Yeah, I mean, you sit there and you say, and you had said this at the beginning of the week, you said, look, I just think they're just going to stretch this thing out until after, you know, after November. I don't know how long he can continue to keep saying the deals here, the deals here, the deals here, the deals here. Look, it's, you know, who was doing the counting was an Eric Post, which is one of the biggest supporters of the president. Right. Who's confused on this completely and angry at the White House. It's not the Democrats. No, no, it is not. It's the president's most loyal supporters. That's why you've seen him scrambling in the last couple of days. You've seen him trying to appease his base. That's what you see. And then all of a sudden the turnaround at noon and I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming. And then later he was asked about Carg Island. He says, well, yeah, no, that's off the table. If there's a deal, it was never on the table. If you're going to take Carg Island, you're going to tell us after you've done it. Search P W C UK careers. Now it's red eye radio, Gary McNamara and Eric Hurley talk about everything from politics to social issues and news of the day. Whether you're up late or you're just starting your day. Welcome to the show from the relief factor studios. This is red eye radio all across America. We are ready radio. He is Eric Hurley and I'm Gary McNamara. Good morning. Welcome. Thank you for being here this morning. Thank you very much. You know, I look at this week and say this has been the worst week for the, the, the, the president in the second term. Yeah. And, and I just, you know, I read you one listener who wrote to us and said, I don't know who's giving him bad advice. Somebody is in the shadows. And we talked about this yesterday. Well, I mean, the New York Post basically made that in their editorial page and said the advice, the, his advisors are giving him bad advice. It's making him look like a sucker. And then the day later, the president came out and said, Iran's making us look like suckers. Yeah, which is saying they're making me look like a sucker. Right. And then this happens today. But she wrote back after that, after we had a conversation about her, her tweet and said, he looks as inept as Jimmy Carter and dropping very low on my scale to be mentioned in the same breath. No, that's, that's where I am. And she, she, you know, she, you know, had us in there and then she tagged also Trump on it. And this is somebody, you know, obviously she's texted or she's texted. She's posted before and the ultimate Trump supporter. And when she said it, it may, that may not have an effect for people that aren't my age. If you're my age, you might have even been too young to, you know, because you're 10 years younger. But, and I was not as not nearly, I've read and everything else, but I had not yet, you know, formed all of my opinions or, you know, articulated everything in my head on each and every issue. But when she brought up Jimmy Carter, I went, whoa, now the tribalism is not back then was not as great as it is today. You know, because no matter what Trump does, the Democrats aren't going to agree with it. You know, he's going to be Hitler, Satan, whatever. Now they accept that, but yeah, right. They accept the Hitler part. Right. They accept the Hitler part in the, in, in Platner, but it's when you lose your base. Yeah. And I'll never forget, you know, that after the hostages were taken in the failed rescue attempt. And then just the way that Jimmy Carter would talk about it and try to talk tough, but it didn't work. No, and you really had, and then you can talk about the Malay speech and everything else that he made, which that ticked me off at the time when he made the Malay speech. I'll never forget that one because I just when he talked about that, you know, America has to do, you know, we need to get it. And I'm like, don't lecture the American people on what they have to do. You know, just do your damn job is, you know, do your damn job as president or whatever. I had more exposure probably than to it than, than many kids my age at that time. You're talking about, you know, a kid who's in his teens and I had a great interest in minibikes and, you know, playing guitar and the whole thing. But my father was chief of police at the largest NATO training facility at that time. And, and so dad's job was affected when dad's job was affected. There was a different tone in the house. You know, it's not that my dad was in trouble. It's just that there's something serious going on. And you could tell. And because dad, it was as an investigator, very thoughtful, but he was also becoming, he was about to become the senior enlisted advisor at Loughlin. So he was going to move over to headquarters and be right under the colonel for, for the enlisted people, basically. And that became a different set of priorities. You know, one is about securing and keeping secure this Air Force base, as the SPs do and still do today and do a great job. The other is about being part of the decision making for that entire, that base and also maybe that region or whatever it entails. Dad's never shared all of it with me, but I knew something was going on. And so dad would explain. And then of course, inevitably we would watch, you know, whatever then President Carter was putting out. And you had to, you really had to watch it there. There was no cable news. We, you know, we had just gotten cable. I think it was right about that time. And it was brand new, but there was no cable news. It was all about watching R rated movies on your TV for the first time ever. I remember watching, my dad was watching Slap Shot, the movie Slap Shot, and I walked through and then, you know, someone dropped the F bomb and I'm like, oh my gosh, someone said that on TV. And, but there was this changing era that was going on at the same time that my dad was contemplating also at the time and I didn't know it then. Retirement. So it was a very serious era for my father specifically. And because of that, I think I probably had more. I may have had more exposure to it than my brothers, because my brothers being older, they had more liberty to, you know, go do things. And, and I didn't, you know, I wasn't driving. I didn't have my license. I, you know, so I was at the house with dad a lot. So that's the only reason probably. The, the, when I look back at it politically, when he lost, when he lost the country on that, when it was like, what you say about Iran means nothing. This is going back to Jimmy Carter. And by the way, I need to apologize for Gandhi. I'm looking at my screen and the picture of the person is so small that I looked I go because I was saying it was a woman. Oh, okay. And what it is, it's a very masculine looking guy. When I clicked on it, I clicked on it when you were talking and went, oh no, that's a guy. It's like, what it is is the seats behind him. He's like, he's in a car. It looks like he's in a car. And from far away, it looks like he's got really long hair. And so I was saying, she, she and then I realized I looked at it and the Gandhi Gandhi. I'm so sorry. You don't, you do not look like a woman. I want to make this clear. Yes. Sorry. Sorry about that. I feel embarrassed. Sorry about misgendering you. Yes, I'm sorry. I misgendered you. No, he looks like a great looking guy. Yeah. Yeah. Platonically. Yes. Now that there's anything wrong with that. Generally speaking. Generally speaking. Generally speaking in a nonjudgmental way. But when when Gandhi said it's like, okay, he's got to be, you know, my age or, or, or, you know, probably older to understand the political implications of it. Sure. 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Yeah, you know, and so but but this is a case where, you know, Trump is is losing his base, you know, this week. It's been it's been really bad because it's gone on so long. And then when he finally came out and said, look, they're playing his first sucker. Everybody went, OK, he realizes it. Now he's going to be tough. Well, that's and then boom to go right back into this again, where it's like, well, no, Israel doesn't agree with this. Iran now is saying they don't agree to the deal. We're getting right back to, you know, number 39. And it all really started with the New York Post editorial that said, Mr. President, tell your advisors to stop, you know, making you look like a sucker to Iran. I'm paraphrasing what the headline was. And then the next day he comes out and says they're playing us for suckers. And then boom, this happens. You know, I mentioned to you, I saw a few people yesterday making the comparison to, you know, the Art of the Deal and trying to defend the president late in the afternoon. But one, I think comparable actual comparison or reference to the Art of the Deal comes from listener Ben and he writes me, I'm convinced Donald Trump needs to be needs to reread his book, The Art of the Deal. He's so desperate for a deal. He forgot the most important principle. Always be prepared to walk away from the table. And that's a great point, Ben. And these are the, you know, and also I would add to it what I said earlier and also know that you can trust the other party in the deal. But again, in a private sector deal, we have laws that protect both parties when the deal is done. There is nothing guaranteeing Iran, except for our own enforcement. And you cannot trust their regime because tell me what a deal looks like. They get to keep control of Carg Island. The president has basically already said that since yesterday morning. They would keep control of Carg Island, which means they get to fund their proxies to no end. That's not acceptable. They don't get to stay in existence. The regime is gone fully, completely. We have the uranium fully, completely. End story. And so you take that then along with the the the the president saying, you know, I love the inflation. And my God, it doesn't matter what he said after that, that that's going to be used against even Scott Jennings. Listen to Scott Jennings here on CNN. That was just that was a horrible statement by the president. As we said yesterday, you never say that you say, right, unfortunately, the inflation is still here. We're working to get it down. You never say I love the inflation. Because when this is over, it will come down. Yeah, you don't celebrate what the hardships that people are going through right now. Right. Even Scott Jennings had trouble defending it. Here we go. And why then shouldn't Donald Trump be apologizing for saying things like, I don't, you know, I think the inflation is great. And I don't care about people's finances and I need a ballroom and I need to slush fund for January 6. By the way, some where with Trump this morning saying he loves inflation. No, it was very inarticulous. I mean, I understand what he was. I think he was saying. I think he feels good for the country or for the people who are struggling. The numbers are better today than they were under Biden, but it was absolutely not true. It was an inarticulous statement. He can't defend it. No, no. And it's just like there's no. And that's why I look at this is this has been the worst week of Trump's second stint as being president. Yeah. And because he's his base is losing confidence in him. Well, and when you lose it on national defense, when you lose your base on national defense, I don't know what you have left. When you've lost them on the economy and national defense, I don't know what is salvage if you can. There is there are there is a two tier mission to be had in Iran. What I mentioned earlier. Regime gone. Or uranium hours. And then on the economy, I don't know what to tell you because there is zero. There is zero ability to connect with what people are going through on prices and that the energy thing is temporary, which makes the entire war thing even more of a priority. But it's a priority for a bigger reason. We know this long term. It means prosperity and freedom for all free nations. It means prosperity and freedom to a greater level in the Middle East for Arab nations that might otherwise turn on us. And all of this is very simple to see. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is not blind or territory. This is not one of those issues where, well, it doesn't affect me. Both of these issues affect everybody from this point on. Period. There's no one who's immune. And the thing is, when you lose your base, you're losing the people that supported you the most on it that are completely and totally confused as to, you know, what you're doing. Right. And it just, as I said, and it just doubled down on it when he admitted, I'm being played for a sucker by Iran. And then boom, this all happens again yesterday. And the memorandum of understanding, the Kharg Island and everything else. And you're just like, what the hell are you doing? What in the world are you doing? You know, I was at it. I told you during the break, I was at a fuel pump. I was fueling my truck. And when I look at my phone and I see the Kharg Island thing. I said BS, but I actually said the words out loud and public. By the way, I was already aware there were no kids around. Except my grandkids. And they say that more often than I do. So I'm sitting and then all of a sudden from around the corner of the pump on the opposite side, a nice lady just slowly peeks around the corner. She goes, is your card not working either? No, ma'am, it's working fine. I just, I, it's something I just saw. I was responding to. And the thing is, I don't know where the president goes now on this. I don't. That's that. That's the one thing I don't know what you do. You've dug yourself such a big hole. The only the, the, the only out, there's two outs. You go ahead with this and just say, I'm going to make a deal and just, you know, get us through to November. Make a deal, even if it's a horrible deal, my base is still going to support Republicans. That may be a mistake. Not that they wouldn't support Republicans, but the excitement might not be there and they may not go and vote. That's the concern. Not that they would vote Democrat, but they might not show up to vote. Or you say, we need to go in and just obliterate the regime. There's a really the only two choices that you have. That's it. I don't think you can continue to go on till November saying, you know, and then the New York Post comes on, goes, okay, it's number 89 that the president says we have are just a day or two away from a deal. Yeah, you just can't do it. You can't do it. Yeah. You can't do it. The only fix is you step up to the mic with another eight minute speech. The Iran regime is gone. They are no longer in power. They are gone full stop. And we now control the uranium every bit of it. The straight of four moose is also ours. I don't know if that can be done in one or two weeks. I don't. Well, you know, the one general said, right? Said that we could do it. I said this the other day. I said eight. I said eight weeks and I didn't think I don't think eight weeks will get done. But I I don't have that expertise. I'm not the Pentagon. I don't have that experience. Show me. And that's the only thing in terms of regaining the confidence as commander in chief politically set that aside. 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And I actually looked at the schedule to see when games are and it's like, okay, I'm free. Whenever I have to go to the airport, there's not going to be any problem. The roads that I take go into the airport, whatever, because I live south of that great Dallas stadium in Arlington, Texas. Yeah. Dallas. The Dallas and the media is calling it all over and they're getting social media. They're getting founded. It's not Dallas stadium. Yeah. By the way, to be kind, I'm not going to wear my I hate soccer t-shirt anywhere. And he's your colleague. I'm Jerry McNamara. Download our radio app today and you can listen when and where you choose. By the way, when we, you know, mock soccer, whatever. Yeah. I do that because I just you look on social media. For example, I saw yesterday a story saying that only 22% of Americans are excited about the World Cup being here. Right. And it's like people are questioning like the soccer fanatics. Why? Why? Why? Why? Why doesn't America like soccer more? And I it's such a stupid thing to argue. It's the same thing like arguing music. People like what they like. Yeah. And if you grow up in a particular culture, you like particular type of sports. It's that. Exactly. You know, outside of Nickelback, I mean, everybody has their own proper taste and can be respected for being a fan of whatever band or whatever. Soccer is the Nickelback of sports or whatever. Or whatever sports. No, Nickelback is of soccer. Nickelback is the music of, of, of, I don't know. No, I think the way I said it was actually more applicable. Yeah. They're the Nickelback of sports. And this is the problem. Soccer is the Nickelback of sports. Okay. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Okay. Yeah. And so the entire thing is, again, if you're a fan, that's awesome. If you're excited about it and this is, and this is going to be creating a series of memorable moments in your life, then that's awesome. I that's great. Now, I did get into a little bit of a of a conversation yesterday with a with an old friend who was, you know, was talking about watching, you know, soccer or whatever. Yeah. And, and I made some kind of, you know, you know, soccer joke. And he just said, well, it's not really big where you come from. Is it, you know, soccer, you know, come from Buffalo? It's like football hockey. That's it. Even baseball isn't big. Yeah. It isn't big there. But, and, and I wrote, I said, well, you know something, just so you know, I watched Pele's last game. I remember when he played, was it New York Cosmos or whatever? And I think I even watched the exhibition where he played for both teams. Because it was an exhibition was this actually last non competitive game. And he scored a goal. Right. And that was 1977. I watched that. Right. And then I did not watch again until the, the, the, the brandy Chastain, she's in her sports bra moment. Remember that one in 99? And I said, so you know something? It's been, it's been over 20 years, about every 20 years I watched a soccer match. Maybe I'll do it again. And the only, I did watch, I think it was when I was visiting my buddy Jerry in, in Tarpan Springs. And I remember one, we got up in the, in the morning, said, we have to go to the bar now. Like it's 9am. What are you talking about? He goes, you know, all, all my English buddies are up there and Liverpool is playing in something. Yeah. And so he's got a bunch of friends from Great Britain from Liverpool. And so I remember watching part of the Liverpool match and they lost. And we're like, look, we were late. We both relate to you. We're Bill's fans. It was like the big game. I don't, don't even know what it was in the Premier League. I guess I don't really pay attention to do it. And the only other thing I paid attention to, and this goes back a couple of years ago, when the Portland timbers were playing, yeah, you know, the major American professional league, whatever it's called. And after they scored a goal, they have, I think it's timber Joe or timber Joey, he starts chain sign a tree. There's like a tree there and he chains, takes a big part of the tree off. I'm like, wait a minute. This is Portland. We're the environmentalists. Yeah. They should be going crazy over this. And I was, and I thought about it yesterday. And I went, well, why didn't they get upset? And they said, well, because these are, you know, dead trees or they are, you know, whatever or trees that are being removed or forced management. And so it's okay. And I went, it can't be okay. Remember, liberalism is all about imagery. It doesn't matter. The imagery is that you're cutting down a tree and you're in Portland, Oregon. Stop it now. And you're doing it for just the pleasure alone. Tell me that that wood is being used. If I'm going to think like it, you know, that's the way it's going to be. Now, maybe they did. I don't know. Maybe they stacked it up and then someone took it and burned it. But when I saw that post yesterday, the only 22% and the people furious, I mean, name calling, cursing, swearing, you know, and, you know, back and I'm like, for God's sake, I wish just, you know, one tenth of you would pay attention and be a little bit passionate or angry about the death. It's like, no, that's it. It's like one of, you know, when all of a sudden a new food becomes a trend and it's a food that is really tied to another culture, you know, and it's just like, well, I've been eating this all my life. I don't know why more Americans don't eat this. Good for you, dude. I'm going to make a fried peanut butter and banana sandwich and you do what you do. And I'll smoke the banana peels. When it comes to soccer, when I was a kid, I played foosball and it was great. You know, it was, I mean, they were, they were dressed appropriately. It was, this is what it comes down to. And honestly, in the United States, we have a great interest in soccer. People would be shocked below the age of nine, above the age of nine. We don't have any, because we'll get up at four a.m. and drive to a soccer match for our kids that are playing our grandkids. We'll, you know, we'll, it's a tournament. We'll camp out all weekend. We'll bring snacks. Oh, who was it that, that? Oh, Henry Cho talks about that. I think it was, I think it was baseball he was talking about. He says, you know, they started this snack thing and Henry was like, it was snack. They was like, would you bring them? Well, nothing. They just came from the house. They should have eaten before they left. And, you know, we'll go out of our way for, you know, step with our kids and soccer just kind of grew into this thing with me as a kid. It was baseball, basketball. Then when I found guitar, everything else disappeared. But, but no, I mean, when, if you talk about parents as spectators, you know, watching their kids in Texas, of course, it's always been about football, but baseball and everything else. And then soccer kind of just grew into a thing with kids, but on professional soccer, just never been our thing. And if it's your thing, great. Well, you know, I, I love hockey. And this year, for example, the hockey numbers are up. And so there's this big debate. Well, hockey's numbers are up. But the NBA is trying to compare one sport to another as being better than the other one. Yeah. Who the hell, number one, who the hell cares? Like, I, I, I love hockey. I grew up playing hockey. Hockey was a part of, hockey was a part of, of the culture that I grew up in as much as, as football was, but I actually played basketball. I didn't play, you know, I played a little bit of high. I mean, no really competitive hockey. I played in a bang team for a while and stuff like that in a couple of adult leagues. But, you know, I've never took it seriously. Number one, when I was young, my parents said, we can't afford, you know, because you go play basketball, sneakers. That's all we need to buy. That's all we need to buy. You know, and, but hockey, you know, just we couldn't, we couldn't afford it. But I grew up in the culture of hockey. I loved hockey. Watched it all, you know, constantly. As I mentioned, as I've gotten older, my passion towards sports has gotten less. I've just had found other interests and other things to, to, to watch. And my mind just works, you know, in a, in a, in a different, you know, in a different way. Not that I won't watch, but I watch a lot less. I mean, a lot less, probably one one hundredth of what I, because sports was on 24 hours all the time, even 15, 20 years ago. And it just isn't, just isn't the same anymore for me. But, uh, America has not embraced hockey. You know, when they talk about hockey's ratings are up drastically. All right, what do they have? Some of the playoffs have two to three million viewers. It's like, you know, you know, the Superbowl has a over a hundred million. And, you know, they're talking 50, 60 million for the playoffs and stuff like that. And even some of the regular season games, you know, have, you know, 25, 30, 35 million people that watch the NBA and, and, you know, the NBA and, and, uh, hockey can't match that can come close to it. I don't care. I don't get mad that somebody else is a hockey fan. I mean, just how much time do you have to be pissed off about stuff that doesn't matter? No, I mean, it's like, well, it's, and it's, it's again, you know, people scream it's as if they're screaming, I can't believe you don't like hamburgers. Well, you know, I mean, it's, it's, oh, I do hate those people who try to push their food on you. And you're like, nah, oh, too many green vegetables in there. I don't. Brian Regan does a thing on, on raisins. And then, you know, how the people that, well, let me ask you, Brian, do you like grapes? Well, these are just dried out grapes. And then he goes, well, that's like saying, you know, you know, it's, it's, uh, if you found an old piece of ham laying out in the sun, well, do you like ham? Well, this used to be ham. It's, you know, he just goes on and on about it. And it's people that, and, you know, I'm with him on, uh, on certain things. And he also says like at restaurants, they need to quit using smothered on, on, on the menu. Don't it's smothered in mushrooms, but they, you know, they kind of push what they like on you. They push their taste on you and then act as if your tastes are wrong. Yeah. So when we do our stuff, like the soccer thing, we're just, we're having fun because we know how, how easily people are irritated, uh, in this day and age. But for hockey, for example, when people say, well, I don't like hockey cause I can't follow the puck. And I realized that I was born watching it on, you know, on regular TV that had, you know, we, we would watch the junior A hockey out of, out of Canada, you know, on a snowy little black and white screen, barely signal, barely coming in through the airwaves by the way, not a cable. Right. Exactly. And so we're, you know, and so, but you could always, we, we follow the puck. It's just you're used to doing it, but I can watch hockey and people say, I can't follow the puck. And I'm like, what are you talking? And then I look at it from a fresh perspective. I go, it is hard to follow the puck. If you haven't always watched hockey. Now I will say this with the 55 and 65 inch screens in, in pure beautiful, high, you know, definitely, you know, 9,000 K, are they up to 9,000 K yet? Probably. And the funny thing is, it's like 4K, 8K, 12K. It's like, well, how soon before they go one J? But the funny thing is, a human, I really can't notice a difference, you know, in, in a lot of it. I think they've, I think they've really perfected it as much as they possibly can. It's only as good as your eyes are. Yeah. Exactly. It's only as good also as your eyes are that day. So there's, there's stuff that can actually affect your vision tip rarely. Oh, and, and all of that. I was actually reading about Jackson Brown and Dr. My Eyes. He actually was temporarily blind for just a few days, but he started writing that song when he, and they told him, you have to take these drops and close your eyes for three days. And he said, he said, uh, you know, then it became a song, of course, his eyes healed in a few days. And he said, but it became a song about, uh, the loss of innocence. You know, and it did. I keep my eyes open for too long, you know, and, and that whole thing. But, you know, you're, and I got to think about that. And I thought, man, sometimes when I yesterday mowing my lawn, I felt like my eyes were on fire, like somebody sprayed acid in my eyes. Yeah. It was bad coming into work. My eyes are watering so much. You see some moving on the side. And I thought, you know, for a second, you know, I, you know, look very quick because my allergies are just killing me. Yeah. So your 4k is only as good as, you know, right? Your eyes are in that moment. Right. So, but, but, and they knew it in hockey that people can't follow the puck. Remember they had put the line in for a while, but then you started losing your base, your base, you know, the, and they finally realized we're not going to expand hockey by doing that because we're just taking people off who love hockey by having that little red line following the puck. Right. It just, you know, it's like, I couldn't watch it. I was like, stop it. You know, don't do that. It was annoying because it was like, almost like having a person over in the corner pointing at it, like down in the corner of the TV pointing at it, going, there it is. There it is. There it is. It just, it was, and then, then they, thank gosh, they, they finally stopped. I love hockey, by the way. I love hockey and hockey to me is fast moving with soccer. They're running 10 miles before they go. You know, so it's like, dude, it sounds like a lot of work. You're wearing me out. You know, who shortened the field. We are red eye radio. Coming up more with Gary MacDemiro and Eric Hartley. It's red eye radio. We're radio. These are probably, and I'm Gary MacDemiro. By the way, the Babylon B is also into the same sense of humor that we have. Yeah. They're, they're lead headline. Least popular sport in the world holds their little tournament. There shows this huge stadium with fireworks all over the place. Everything going crazy. It's like, that's, that's funny. Or they could also add, uh, uh, 2000 parents show up with snacks or half time at the soccer match. So the other one I like is Elon Musk confirms he will soon have enough money to become Batman. The IPO is today. Yeah, it is right. It is 75, 75 billion. Yeah. Per share. No, I'm. It's gonna cost you $135 a share. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see where it goes. Yeah. This is red eye radio on Westwood one.