No Filter With Zack Peter

Prince Harry's Flirty Texts EXPOSED! Jen Shah Speaks Out & Ciara Devastated After Amanda/West News

44 min
Apr 1, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Host Zack Peter discusses three major pop culture stories: the Summer House drama between West, Amanda, and Sierra focusing on friendship betrayal; Jen Shah's first prison interview where she discusses her fraud conviction and time incarcerated; and Prince Harry's flirty text messages with a Daily Mail reporter that emerged in court discovery, predating his relationship with Meghan Markle.

Insights
  • Reality TV drama resonates most when it involves betrayal of friendship and trust rather than romantic entanglement, particularly when one party violates girl code
  • Cultural relevance and star power determine audience investment in reality TV conflicts; Summer House lacks the established celebrity status of Vanderpump Rules franchises
  • Con artists and those convicted of fraud face credibility challenges when attempting public rehabilitation, as audiences struggle to separate reformed narrative from original deception
  • Celebrity nicknames and personal branding can be undermined by evidence of prior usage in different contexts, affecting the authenticity of intimate relationship narratives
  • Prison experiences of high-profile inmates attract disproportionate media attention and can paradoxically enhance rather than diminish public profile
Trends
Reality TV audience fatigue with male cast members who lack accountability or character growthIncreased scrutiny of celebrity personal branding claims through social media and court discovery evidencePrison memoir and rehabilitation narratives becoming mainstream entertainment contentFriendship betrayal narratives outperforming romantic drama in reality TV engagement metricsLegal discovery documents becoming primary sources for celebrity gossip and narrative contradictionIntersectional analysis of reality TV casting and relationship dynamics gaining audience discourse prominenceHigh-profile inmate celebrity status creating prison economy and social hierarchies
Companies
Bravo
Network producing Summer House and Real Housewives franchises discussed throughout episode
Real Housewives of Salt Lake City
Reality TV show where Jen Shah gained fame before federal fraud charges and imprisonment
Vanderpump Rules
Bravo reality show compared as having greater cultural relevance than Summer House
Summer House
Bravo reality series featuring West, Amanda, Sierra drama that is primary focus of episode
Daily Mail
News outlet where reporter Charlotte Griffiths worked and exchanged flirty messages with Prince Harry
Associated Newspapers Limited
Defendant in lawsuit filed by Prince Harry, Meghan Markle, and Elton John for unlawful activities
People Magazine
Publication featuring Jen Shah's first prison interview after release from federal incarceration
The Traders
Reality competition show where Sierra previously appeared before Summer House fame
Too Hot to Handle
Reality dating show referenced as comparison for cast member cultural relevance levels
Love Island
Reality dating show referenced as comparison for cast member cultural relevance and cultural moments
People
Jen Shah
Discussed her first prison interview, fraud conviction, and time incarcerated for telemarketing scheme
Prince Harry
Flirty text messages with Daily Mail reporter exposed in court discovery, predating Meghan relationship
Meghan Markle
Plaintiff in lawsuit against Associated Newspapers; her relationship with Prince Harry discussed
West
Central figure in Summer House drama involving Amanda and Sierra; described as lacking character growth
Amanda
Accused of violating girl code by pursuing West while friend Sierra had romantic interest in him
Sierra
Betrayed by friend Amanda's relationship with West; described as having more star power than Amanda
Kyle
Amanda's ex-husband; described as toxic and unfaithful throughout ten seasons of Summer House
Charlotte Griffiths
Received flirty text messages from Prince Harry in 2011-2012 that emerged in court discovery
Elton John
Plaintiff in lawsuit against Associated Newspapers alongside Prince Harry and Meghan Markle
Elizabeth Holmes
Incarcerated with Jen Shah; they became friends and took walks together in prison
Ghislaine Maxwell
Incarcerated with Jen Shah; showed no remorse for Epstein scandal according to Shah's account
Tom Sandoval
Referenced as pop culture relevant reality star appearing on multiple shows including House of Villains
Ariana
Referenced as having emotional depth and star power in Scandival storyline compared to Summer House drama
Paige DeSorbo
Identified as one of few Summer House cast members to achieve significant pop culture relevance
Lindsay Hubbard
Identified as Summer House's biggest star with significant pop culture relevance
Kyle Cook
Summer House cast member who launched successful seltzer brand Loverboy
Heather Gay
Co-star who stated Jen Shah's business practices were unsavory but didn't realize they were illegal
Stuart
Jen Shah's co-defendant in fraud case; Shah blames him for conspiracy to commit fraud scheme
Andy Cohen
Referenced regarding Summer House drama and Watch What Happens Live commentary
Zack Peter
Host providing commentary and analysis on pop culture stories throughout episode
Quotes
"The real issue is the crux in Amanda and Sierra's friendship. The fact that they were friends and Amanda broke girl code and Amanda essentially lied to her friend, I think that is the real betrayal."
Zack PeterMid-episode
"West is so insignificant because the standard of West is so six feet under. Like the bar is not up here for West, it's way down here."
Zack PeterEarly discussion of Summer House drama
"She's a con woman. Like that's literally what she did. It was a telemarketing scheme. It was a con."
Zack Peter
"Prison was like a Bravo Con meeting greet. Those are her words. She says that it was walking in was like a Bravo Con meeting greet and she was shocked by the number of fans that she had in prison."
Zack Peter
"She definitely made it seem like this was like, you know, an inner thing between them. And also like when she calls him H in interviews, it just comes across as so annoying because it's like she's trying."
Zack Peter
Full Transcript
It's April, but I ain't got no fools in my court. Prince Harry, though, may be another story, because Prince Harry's flirty text messages with the reporter have just been exposed. I would imagine Ms. Meghan Markle ain't too happy about that. Jen Shah, speaking of fools, has officially sat down for her very first interview since being released from prison, and then this whole West Sierra Amanda Kyle drama on Summer House. I've got some more thoughts for you now that we've gotten to marinate on it a little bit, but I hope you're ready for it. Lots to get into. Let's dive in. This is No Filter with Zach Peter. Your go-to source for all the latest pop culture and reality TVT, surf rash all week long. Now, let's dive in. And dive in, we shall welcome on in, welcome on in, welcome on in, everybody in the club. What's up, guys? Happy Wednesday, happy hump day. I hope you get humped today. Hey. Couple of things. First of all, it is Wednesday, so if you are a member of No Filter, I'll access on Supercast, then you will get a link tonight to join our members-only Zoom Wednesday nights. We go live on Zoom, members-only. We don't save it, so whatever you get is what you get, honey. Number one, number two, who's ready for some new merch? This is the new Justice for Justin shirt. We had the last limited edition shirt, and now we have this one, Hala, Justice for Justin, new shirts available today, but only available today if you're a member of No Filter, all access on Supercast. Members, you look out for an email. Be sure to keep an eye out for an email because you will get an email with a discount code and an access link. You will get first dibs, so you can get, remember, our last Justice for Justin shirts sold out twice. 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Listen, Jeremy, it's just not gonna work out better yet. Listen, West, it's just not gonna work out. This is on behalf of Amanda, and I just want you to know that you are a scumbag sleazy tool boy, not even a pool boy, just a tool boy, with a tool that's too small to fit in this box. Oh, grrr. So you need me to break up with somebody, I'm happy to do that. So be sure to head on to Cameo, you can check out the Cameo app, and you can book a cameo from me, Zach Peter, and I will give a personalized message, whatever you want, I will book it. There is a link in the description below, so if you wanna tap the link to book a cameo below, today only, I believe the promo is automatically applied. So actually, let's verify that right now, let's go on. Let's just double check that. Look at this, Cameo, boom. Oh, look at that, Tammy already, or sorry, someone, oh, Amber already booked a, look at that, Amber already booked a cameo for Tammy. Look at that, and she got her discount, boom. Okay, I have a lot of cameos to do, but that one just came in, so there you go, go book your cameo right now, it's in April Fools slash sale, so it's 50% off for April 1st, one day only. April Fools, make your fans laugh all the way to the bank with 50% off of your cameos for one day only. A deal so good, your fans will think you're pulling a prank on them. There we go, 50% off, go right now, you have until 9.59 PM Pacific, which is 11.59 Eastern, I believe 9.59 Pacific, that's what you got. Okay, Amanda says, oh my God, I'd get one for myself and hope you get Zaktivated, this, but no April Fools jokes. I mean, if I have an April Fools joke, I haven't played it on you yet. I haven't even thought of one, to be honest with you, I've been like, Andy Signor from Popcorn Planet, I saw he played a really good one where he announced, and he even put together like a fake news article where he announced that Amber Heard, Amber Turd, who was gonna be the new Bachelorette, which would be crazy and wild. Even Molly Felford, Molly sent it to us in our DMZ group text. She was like, oh my God, this can't be real. And then we're like, duh, Molly, it's April Fools day, of course, it's not real. It was just funny, because Michelle, you can tell Andy that he is definitely, Andy is the king of pranks, the king of the prank. Okay, that said. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Okay, what story should we start with first? West in Amanda? Okay, let's get into the West in Amanda, that way we can move on from the West in Amanda. So listen, I'm not denying that this is a deep cut betrayal. I actually had to talk to my friend Jess, who is a big summer house fan. I'm just gonna be honest, I was a big summer house fan, seasons one through seven, casually season eight, because that was the season that Carl and Lindsay broke up. I did not watch any of season nine, and I've caught very, very little of season 10. So that's why to me, I was like, why is this West and Sierra thing like such a big deal? Like they're not even together, they were barely even together, they were only together back in what season eight, and then by the end of it, and by the reunion, like Sierra hated West, he's a total tool, he's this, he's that, right? Not a fan of West, because he totally played her, and Sierra does not deserve to be played. She got played with Austin, she got played with, who is the other one? Luke, like Sierra is just constantly, she's got a bad picker, and that's reality. Now, like I said, I did not tune into season 10, but when my friend Jess was talking, she was like breaking it down for me this much, like no, you don't get it, like West and Amanda were getting back together. West and Amanda were working on things, West and Amanda were gonna go the distance. Like people were rooting for West and Amanda, and like we really thought that this was gonna work out for them, but I'm like, in what world did you think West was ever gonna commit to Sierra? Sorry, did I say Amanda? I meant Sierra, I meant Sierra, if I said Amanda. Like, I only watched one episode, and it was the most recent episode where Kyle snaps at Amanda and tells her to like F you or F off or whatever he says, and Andy Cohn, and the only reason I watched it is because Andy Cohn was like, oh my God, it's the worst thing ever, Kyle looks the worst, oh my God, it's so bad, it's so bad, it's so bad, and so I wanted to see it, because I thought it was gonna be so bad, so bad, so bad, and it was not that bad, not that bad, not that bad, but I see a lot of people comparing like this love triangle, the Scandival, this is nothing like Scandival at all, it's very, very different, and I think just in terms of like pop culture, peak relevance, not relevant outside of the world of Bravo. Like if you're a Bravo fan, if you're a Summer House fan, amazing, but Summer House is nowhere near what Vanderpump Rules is or actually was, not is, because that low budget reboot, like I've always said, it's reheated nachos, and nobody likes reheated nachos, send it back to Peter in the kitchen. But Vanderpump Rules has way more cultural relevance, you have the tying of Lisa Vanderpump, right? A star when the show started, a spin off of Real House as a Beverly Hills, a pop culture iconic show that even celebrities love to watch, people love Real House as a Beverly Hills, you have Kyle Richards who's now become a star, Erica Jane who's become a star, Derete who's like kind of becoming a bigger star, you have Rachel Zoo as a name attached to the show. Now you had Lisa Rinna, Eileen Davidson, all of these people that were big names that really kind of came and put Beverly Hills on the map outside of the other Housewives franchise, franchises when it comes to Hollywood and pop culture relevance, right? Now Housewives as a whole collectively as a brand has become pop culturally relevant. So when you have a spin off of that show directly, like Vanderpump Rules, and you have stars, like Stasi is a star now, Ariana is a star now, even Tom Sandoval, as much as you may hate him, he's kind of come to the forefront, and now you're like Tom star, Tom Santa's dying. Whatever, he has become a pop culture name, you're seeing him on a number of different reality shows. He did, he did, what's that? The one, the competition I had in my head, world's most challenging special forces, he was on the Traders, he's now on House of Villains, like whether you like Tom Sandoval or not, maybe you can see him as just like a reality TV bad boy. He is relevant in pop culture. So there's no way really that's, I mean, aside from Paige Disorbo that's come out of Summer House, Lindsay Hubbard, sure, I would say those are the two biggest stars to come, maybe Hannah Burner, but like Hannah Burner wasn't that significant on Summer House, Hannah Burner kind of became, you know, a star in her own right, and mostly as a comedian, right? Like nobody really remembers Hannah Burner, if you know of Hannah Burner now, you don't really remember her from Summer House, you know her from her comedy. Paige Disorbo, a star. Lindsay Hubbard, of everybody on that cast, the star, maybe outside of Kyle Cook, but I just think Lindsay has much more pop culture relevance. So yeah, I mean, maybe Kyle Cook because he launched Loverboy, and that's like kind of become a relatively successful seltzer, but I mean, come on. You really think Sierra is a star? I mean, how many of you even remember that Sierra was on season three of The Traders? Nobody even remembers that she was on The Traders because she's so culturally irrelevant. Listen, not to say that she doesn't, you know, hold her own on Summer House, not to say that she's not a gorgeous and talented woman, but she just doesn't have that je ne sais quoi. She doesn't have that star power. I'm sorry, I mean, at least not yet. Like I would compare her to like a really hot, pretty girl off of Too Hot to Handle, or off of Love Island, right? Like they have a cultural moment, but like beyond that, they don't have that much cultural relevance, which is why I don't think people are as interested in this story. Not only that, but like people weren't as invested unless you're a Super Summer House true fan. You're not that invested in Sierra and West. Like you kind of knew West was a fuckball. It's kind of like Kyle and Amanda. You're not really invested in their relationship because you were never really expecting them to go to the distance, and they went a lot longer than I think people were expecting. So the stakes were not that high with this. I think the real issue is the crux in Amanda and Sierra's friendship. The fact that they were friends and Amanda broke girl code and Amanda essentially lied to her friend, I think that is the real betrayal. West is so insignificant because the standard of West is so six feet under. Like the bar is not up here for West, it's way down here. Nobody has high expectations of him, and anybody that really thought that he was finally going to settle down and give Sierra his heart, you've seen too many rom-coms, okay? Sierra is not J-Lo, she's not gonna fall in the middle of the street and have a guy come and sweep her up and save her. Those things just don't happen in the real world, and somebody like West is not going to pick the girl that's good for him. He's gonna pick the pretty bimbo that, you know, he just decides to lock it down with. Sierra is a catch. Sierra is the girl he should have locked down years ago, but he's too dumb to do that. So of course he's gonna screw everything up. He could have had an easy choice. A good choice, a stable, secure choice in Sierra, right? Gorgeous, smart, you know, like a full package, and yet he instead chose bland Amanda, who just got out of a marriage, right? And listen, Amanda's vulnerable right now because she just got out of a marriage, and she's looking for any sort of emotional fulfillment that Kyle never gave her. Her husband never emotionally fulfilled her, and West is now being a good support system, so he's a man, and he's single, and he's got a little dingaling that she can play with, okay? And that's why it's all, you know, everyone's like making this, you know, JLo5 says, why isn't anyone feeling bad for Kyle? It's aft up that what they did to him. Because Kyle's been nothing but aft up in all 10 seasons of Summerhouse. Kyle's never been the good guy. Kyle's never really been the guy you root for because he was the guy that like, you know, came from privilege, and he's a pretty boy, and he's just like, you're a pretty frat boy. It's hard to feel bad for the pretty frat boy, you know? Especially when he's not been faithful to his wife, especially when he disrespects his wife, he's hard to root for, just like West. West is hard to root for. Sierra is somebody you want to root for. Amanda, you only wanted to root for her, not because she was particularly interesting, but because Kyle was such a jerk to her. So in order for people to rally behind you, there has to be something that you're willing to root for, right? Ariana is somebody you wanted to root for, and it's mainly because you saw the pain in her. When we saw that trailer of Ariana being like, your friendship is fucking bullshit. And he's like, no, it's not. She's like, yes, it is. That was, you felt that. That was 10 years when she's sitting in there, and she's like, you are nothing. I want you to know you are nothing, and I want you to feel that deep in your soul. She's like, I loved you. I would have done anything for you. I would have changed any part of you. And when you hear those words, they slap, baby. They hit so deep because we have been there, where we found the man, and we would have changed any part of ourself for him. And if not, then you're single, and you've been single for a long time. But like we've been in that place where we lowered our self-esteem for somebody that we loved because we thought that this was the commitment that was going to last. We thought that this was going to be the person. And they were together for 10 years, and they had a mortgage. West and Sierra are in no way any sort of comparison to Tom and Ariana. This is not Scandival, and Vanderbump Rules is not Summerhouse. So unfortunately, or Summerhouse rather, is not Vanderbump Rules. So it's not going to be that big of a thing unless you are a niche Bravo fan, and you love this show. Missy, or Miss Squishy says, Scandival was impactful because it was an affair. If we found out Amanda and Wes were sneaking around behind Kyle's back for a while, then it would hit harder. But even then, probably won't. Admit it. Yeah, they probably won't admit it. Yes, great point. Tom and Ariana were together when Ariel was banging Tom behind Ariana's back. Ariana was asleep inside, and they were making out at the jacuzzi in the backyard. They were having sex in the car in front of the house. That was crazy. She slept with Tom Sandoval in Ariana's bed while Ariana was at her grandmother's funeral. It was diabolical. Tom Sandoval dressed up as Ariana, or sorry, dressed up as Raquel in front of Ariana for Halloween. It was truly diabolical. They used Schwartz as a decoy, and he didn't even know he was being used as a decoy. That was wild. Amanda and Wes were both single. Amanda was already out of her marriage. Wes wasn't with Sierra. Granted, Wes and Sierra seemed like there may have been some potential, but I think if you bought into that potential, I'm sorry, you've seen too many rom-coms and you're naive if you really thought that, you know, if you really thought that that was the case. He's not gonna pick the black girl. Okay, this is what I hate too, is that everybody's making this an issue of race. I do understand Sierra this season when she says that she feels like a fool because a white boy took advantage of her. Now, I understand that from her perspective and how she would feel like she looks stupid this season by giving him another chance. Yada, yada, yada. I don't think Grace was a determining factor for Wes. I'm just being honest. I think he's kind of dumb, to be honest. And I don't think it's that he was never going to pick the black girl. I think it was just that he was gonna pick the easier girl. And unfortunately, Amanda was an easier option. Amanda doesn't have the self-respect that Sierra has. Sierra has self-respect. Well, I mean, I don't know, she's made some really poor choices, but she brings more to the table, you know, and she holds a confidence whereas Amanda was just a more vulnerable, easy to fall in love with type of person because she's emotionally vulnerable coming out of her marriage. But no, I don't think he didn't choose her because she was the black girl. Sorry, not everything is that. He just wasn't that into you. Thank you, Carol. That was the case. He just wasn't that into Sierra. And it's been abundantly clear time and time again. Natalie says, OZAC, yep, been there. Go low so those asses could feel the high. Yep, exactly. Lisa says, I think this is impactful because Amanda sat next to Sierra at dinner and Sierra said, you can come. Okay, that's, okay, Lisa, I'll give you this. This is what I will give you when it comes to the Summerhouse drama. That is the real betrayal is Amanda and Sierra. It's the friendship between the two girls, right? Granted, I don't wanna give Amanda grace because she is going through a divorce, but I don't wanna give her grace because that excuses her behavior. And I think her behavior too is truly diabolical because Sierra was a good girl's girl. She was a friend. She was there for Amanda. She was like, you deserve better than Kyle. So for Amanda to do this to Sierra, that's the real betrayal. It's the betrayal of the friendship. That's the real crux of the issue here. Wow, Scandaball flashbacks. What a time, right? I want Wes nowhere near Sierra. You want Wes nowhere near anybody good. That's the truth. Wes is just not it, you know? Wes just ain't it. Maybe Amanda is the bigger star that will put him on a bigger level. No, I don't even think it's a fame thing. I don't think it's a color, a race thing. I don't think it's a fame thing. And first of all, Amanda's not more famous than Sierra. Like Sierra of the two, Sierra probably has more potential. I think they both lack personality. Sierra and Amanda, and they're both kind of boring when you watch them on the show. But if anything, I would say Sierra has far more star power than Amanda does. Like Amanda is really no personality. The only reason people liked Amanda is because she was in this toxic relationship with Kyle. Natalie says, oh, and I don't know if you've seen this season, but even still this is the guy Sierra has opened up a lot about Wes as a friend confiding. I'd like, they're bonding over me. Yes, but you also have to look at their history. Like Wes literally went into the New York Times and downplayed their entire relationship. Like there, and she flipped out on him in what, the season eight reunion. So it's like their history has shown that they weren't compatible. They weren't gonna go the distance. He wasn't that into her. You know, she was waiting for him to turn into something that he wasn't. She was waiting for midnight. And she's like, when is he gonna turn into a pumpkin and settle down? And he was never gonna turn into a pumpkin. He was already a pumpkin. He was already a stump of a pumpkin that was just melting away. So, special KKS once says we are all baffled, but honestly I could care less. Don't watch these people. Yeah, the thing that was the most for me, that was the most baffling is that they admitted it and they came out with the joint statement. That was wild. And the wild statement was just like, we didn't know feelings happened. Like that was wild. That I will give them. That I will give them for sure. Robin says, for me it's not Sierra and West, it's Amanda. The girls, girl and Sierra's betrayal. I completely agree. If anything, that's the real issue is Sierra and Amanda. Not West, not Kyle. Like these boys have no say in any of this other than they're the ones that are tearing these girls apart. Okay, those is my thoughts about Summerhouse. So that said, I know you guys may be wanting to stay on track with your goals. Maybe you've fallen off. Maybe you want to get back on track. I just got my box from Factor because listen, Factor is what helps me stay strong. It's what helps me stick to my goals. And if you got goals that you want to stick to, Factor is here for you too. Listen, for me, healthy eating is not about willpower. It's a setup problem. And then I found Factor. And with Factor, I'm hitting my nutrition goals this season without the planning or the grocery runs or the cooking. They send the boxes straight to my door that help meet my goals, my macros, my nutrition goals, my weight loss goals, my fitness goals. 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So this is People Magazine's teaser that they released yesterday on Tuesday, March 31st. ["The! "'The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The The There's a lot of, or you know what they call you, they're like, did you have student loan debt? We're here to help. So there's a lot of like that telemarketing stuff that happens in everyday life, but with Gencha specifically, they were targeting elderly people because they knew that the elderly people were more vulnerable and more susceptible to fall for these schemes, right? So she was like, I'm innocent, I'm innocent, I'm innocent. And she'd pled that all on the real housewives of Salt Lake City. That's where she got her claim to fame. Season two was iconic because the feds came. They did a full raid and tried to arrest her. She luckily, or well, luckily for her, she was able to escape literally minutes before they showed up. She got tipped off and she got a call to like get out of their ASAP. So she left and then, yeah, she had a family emergency coincidentally as the feds were rolling up on her. But so, yeah, she claims that she was just an employee back in 2012 and then she didn't have her own business until years later. She said that she really believed in her innocence at the time she didn't think that she had done anything wrong and she makes it clear that she was not guilty of fraud. She was guilty of conspiracy to commit fraud. She makes it very clear the conspiracy is very different from actually committing the fraud. It's the conspiracy to do it. I'm trying to do it rather than I am doing it. Although, I mean, sure, let's work on the semantics. But she said that she should have been more diligent and she really kind of passes the buck off onto her co-defendant. She says that she really believed that she was innocent at the time, but she really blames Stewart, who was her co-defendant slash assistant and we saw him on Real House of Salt Lake City, right? She was like, he runs my life, he makes me money, yada, yada, yada. So she really seems to be passing the buck off onto him. But she does say that this, that when the trial or when the investigation first happened and it was going into trial, that that was the first time that she actually saw that they were victims. She's like, oh my God, they're victims of this. They're people that were wrongs. They're people that hurt, that were hurt. And so she says that she apologizes for her part and she says that she's trying to make these people whole through her restitution. So she is paying her restitution. It's kind of hard. Like there were moments in there where like, I wanted to believe her and moments in there that I felt may have been redeeming for her in this interview. But then again, you have to remember, she's a con woman. Like that's literally what she did. It was a telemarketing scheme. It was a con. And let's also not forget that once the feds started to crack down on her, she was telling her team to delete evidence, to hide servers. Like she knew that they were onto her and was trying to pivot her business around that. And then she started creating all these other companies. I don't know if you want to concept of them shell companies or not, but there were these other companies that didn't really, you know, do anything. But she says, you know, she does apologize and she wants to make these people whole again. She says that when it came to facing a trial, the truth didn't matter. It wasn't about the truth, that it was only about the story that the jury was most likely willing to believe. And so that's why she didn't go to trial because she's like, I could have told my story and it could have told my innocence, but like I couldn't take that gamble with the jury because they may not have believed me because they may just believe the prosecution's case against me. Okay, cause somebody innocent says that. But yeah, so she still kind of, or at least the impression I got is she still does believe that she is innocent in all of this and that it was all just Stuart's fault. But this is great, this is where it gets kind of wild. She goes to prison and she says that prison was like a Bravo Khan meeting greet. Those are her words. She says that it was walking in was like a Bravo Khan meeting greet and she was shocked by the number of fans that she had in prison. What? I'm sorry. I, Bravo Khan meeting greet, fans in prison. Okay, you're really selling it for me here. And then she gets into like how she was running the prison and how she kind of became the beauty guru in prison and she calls herself the Ulta of prison because she learned different skincare hacks. Like one of her skincare hacks was to use hemorrhoid pads for skincare because it was in a stringent and it had witch hazel in it. And so she would use the hemorrhoid pads to, I guess, clean and what is it, tone her skin. And so she got like very beauty savvy and she also got very health savvy and she was like advocating for people in it. She was advocating for healthier food options in prison. She was like totally leading the green charge behind bars. And then she talks about becoming friends with Elizabeth Holmes who she refers to as Lizzie. I was like, okay, Lizzie, real housewives in prison, right? All my fans are in prison. That's not the flex you think it is, girl, right, Kenzie? Like, you know, okay. Let's keep moving. But yeah, she became friends with Lizzie and they would go on walks together around the track, I guess like outside. That's when we would see them when we would see them outside in the courtyard and paparazzi would catch their pictures of them walking together. So she said they would go on walks together and they had to clean toilets together. And she says that she did have a couple of interactions with Galeen Maxwell, but she said they were very limited and mostly limited because one Galeen wasn't interacting with people that much, but also she says she had zero interest in interacting with Galeen Maxwell because she didn't like wanna be friends with her at all. She says that Galeen has no remorse for the Jeffrey Epstein scandal. And she says that she was super dismissive of the victims like when they would watch them on TV, she was just kind of like, ugh, like she was fully dismissive of the victims of the Epstein scandal. But so yeah, there wasn't a whole lot with Galeen other than she didn't seem to be somebody that had a whole lot of remorse for what she had done. She says that coach and her family were what got her through it. And now she wants to use the lessons that she learned to help other people and make the world a better place. So on behalf of all the people that she wants to help make the world's better place with, I just wanna say thank you, Jen Shaw. I have now learned we should not scam the elderly. Don't do it. That is the lesson I learned from you, Jen Shaw. And I just wanna thank you personally. I mean, listen, Heather Gay, her co-star on Real House has a solid city. Heather Gay said on Watch What Happens Live that, when this was all going down originally, that when it came to Jen's business, she thought that it was unsavory but she didn't realize it was illegal. So if Heather Gay knew that Jen Shaw's business practices were unsavory, her word, then you can't really tell me that Jen didn't know that what she was doing wasn't shady or wrong. She knew it was unsavory. If Heather Gay, who's not even in the business, knows it's unsavory, Jen Shaw absolutely knew that what she's doing was unsavory. So she knew what she was doing. I'm sure she let Stuart run a lot of it so she didn't get her hands dirty. Cause again, she's positioned as a con woman and I think she's very smart. And she knows how to be like, here's what we should do. Cause she was even telling me about like delete the files, take the servers. Like it was from what I remember. It was pretty bad. Like the case against her was pretty solid but I think she knew that they were taking advantage of elderly people. She just didn't think that she would ever get caught for it because she didn't think that it would ever be a big enough crime to go to prison for. But I'm glad she's reformed. I'm glad she did her time. I'm glad that she's paying her restitution but I don't buy this whole act where, she didn't realize what she was doing. But like also I get it. Like this is the only card she has left to play. So you do you, Ariana says more skincare. Elle says, are these facts or is Jen making up things to raise her relevance? Just odd to bring up Epstein. I mean, she was in prison with Ghislaine Maxwell. Ghislaine Maxwell was in prison with her. So that's what she's saying. Some need hemorrhoid pants for puffy eyes. Sounds scary though. Well, I mean, it's just that a lot of hemorrhoid pants for, I think to like calm inflammation. I think that's what the witch hazel is for. So yeah, it works the same way on your face than it would in your asshole. Now introducing toilet bowl skincare. I mean, you know, that celebrity prison isn't far from where I live. Oh, amazing. Are you planning on visiting? Okay. Last story of the day is this Prince Harry texting, flirty text message scandal. So this was reported in the California post that Prince Harry, I guess there's a Daily Mail reporter. Her name is Charlotte Griffiths. And he was sending her some very, very flirty messages. So there's this active court case with, is it associated newspapers limited? I believe Harry and Meghan, like a bunch of people are suing. Hold on, let me just confirm that that is the lawsuit that's currently active at the moment. Yes, so it's Prince Harry, it's Meghan and Elton John. So there are six people that are claiming that the associated newspapers were, I guess they had some sort of conspiracy against them, that they were participating in, allegedly participating in widespread unlawful activities, ranging from hacking voicemail messages, bugging landlines, obtaining private information by deception. And so they're claiming this behavior began all the way back in the 90s. And of course, when it's like, oh, Prince Harry and Elton John, Meghan Markle's gonna be like, yes, me too. Hashtag me too, I was wronged too. So in this lawsuit, I guess it came up in discovery, these texts, or I believe they were text messages and Facebook messages of Prince Harry talking to this reporter, Charlotte, who he claims he didn't even know she was a reporter at the time. And they have, he was calling her sugar, he was sending her kissy faces, he was talking about a weekend of naughtiness with her. She referred to him as Mr. Mischief. And then here's the really interesting piece as it comes to Meghan Markle. Also to be clear, these messages were from December 2011 to 2012. So this was well over a decade ago. So in Meghan and Harry, they didn't meet until 2016. So I believe Prince Harry was single at the time when he was flirting with Griffiths and she was writing her Mr. Mischief and she's like, hello, Mr. Mischief. We indeed was indeed confused by both effing awesome pie. And he was just like, hey, it's H in case you were confused by the name and the picture. So I guess he was like trying to, I don't know, but H is, that's the interesting piece is that he's referring to himself as H and he's telling this report and this is back in 2011, 2012. He's calling himself H to her. But in Meghan Markle's latest narrative, she says that that's like their thing. She calls him H and I don't know if he calls her M but it kind of seems like H is just something he went by. It wasn't a Meghan Markle thing where she made it seem like this was their cute little nickname. She calls him H. I remember all the headlines where it was like, oh, look at the cute nicknames that they have for each other. I don't know, it seems like he had more cute nicknames with the reporter, Daily Mail reporter. So I don't know if Meghan Markle's not too happy about that, but so he was always known as H. Basically, I mean, this was what four or five years before he even met Meghan. Yes, Meghan is mad that she calls him H. Yeah, absolutely. British sexting is so G-rated. Yeah, he's like, I'm gonna drink you under the table. He calls himself H. I know, it wasn't that funny though, because that was the thing that like, I wonder if chatGBT has any of that. Where did Meghan Markle get her nickname for Prince Harry? Let's ask chatGBT and see what he's, what he says. Meghan Markle has occasionally referred to Prince Harry by the nickname H, and it's actually, and it's actually pretty simple in origin. She picked it up from his close friends in Inner Circle who have long used H as a casual shorthand for Harry. It's not something she invented out of nowhere. It's more of an insider nickname that she adopted once she became part of his world. Oh, such an Inner Circle that he's over here telling the reporter his name is H back in 2011. Meghan is mentioned using H in interviews and they're Meghan and Harry docuseries when it comes across as natural and affectionate way that she refers to him in private. So basically it's not royal protocol, it's not public branding, it's just a low-key nickname for his long-time social circle that stuck with her. Okay, apparently not, because he's like sexting with some random reporter chick that he just met and he's just like, my name is H. So it kind of just seems like it's a nickname that he goes by or that he likes to be called by, which I mean, nothing against it, but she definitely made it seem like this was like, you know, an inner thing between them. And also like when she calls him H in interviews, it just comes across as so annoying because it's like she's trying. Like she's trying too hard to make it seem like, oh, look at me and me and H, I love H. And it's just like, girl, stop trying so hard. Debbie says, please don't call me D. What up D? I want that D. Yeah, no, it was always about her, her, her, her, her. Pretty sure Megan cheated first. I don't know if it was with Harry, but in her last marriage, I believe that was the case. So yeah, I mean, he's always, I guess, been a flirt. Lori says, remember when we liked H? Yeah, I do, I do. Oh, he testified that he had nothing to do with the reporter. Yes, that's according to him, but like these messages clearly tell a different story. I don't know. I DK. All right guys, well, on that note, I love you. I appreciate you. I hope you have a great rest of your day. Hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. Be sure to listen to No Fields With Zach Peter or watch No Fields With Zach Peter streaming live Monday through Friday mornings. Be sure to listen on Apple Podcasts, leave an Apple Podcast review. You can also watch on Spotify. Be sure to leave a Spotify rating. Give me the five stars, give me that five stars. You can also drop a comment on Spotify. 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