Vanilla Swingers: Swinger Podcast, Unfiltered AF

Ep 90: Swinger Movies That Totally SUCK (And the Ones We Actually Love)

51 min
Apr 20, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Hosts Kat and Leo discuss their recent relationship challenges in the swinger lifestyle, including failed attempts to merge threesomes into foursomes and multiple breakups. They review swinger-themed movies, distinguishing between realistic portrayals and Hollywood sensationalism, while planning an upcoming Europe trip with hopes of reconnecting with a memorable past partner.

Insights
  • Merging established threesome dynamics into foursomes creates unpredictable emotional complications that can damage existing relationships, even when all parties initially seem compatible
  • Realistic swinger-themed films resonate with lifestyle participants because they accurately depict the emotional complexity, jealousy, and communication challenges involved in non-traditional relationships
  • The lifestyle community values authentic aftercare and emotional connection beyond physical encounters, with memorable experiences often defined by unexpected moments and genuine human connection
  • Single males under 30 in the lifestyle frequently experience anxiety about meeting expectations in person despite strong digital communication, suggesting a generational confidence gap
  • Documentary and indie film formats provide more credible lifestyle representation than mainstream Hollywood productions, which tend to sensationalize or demonize swinger culture
Trends
Increased mainstream media attention to ethical non-monogamy and swinger culture through streaming platforms and documentariesGrowing splintering of swinger culture into specialized subgroups (hot-wifing, polycules, throuples) rather than traditional couple-swappingRising interest from journalists and authors in documenting swinger lifestyle experiences and sexual reawakening narratives for book and streaming dealsYounger generation (under 30) showing interest in lifestyle participation but struggling with execution and emotional management compared to older demographicsIncreased use of apps and digital platforms (Field, DTF apps) replacing traditional club-based swinger culture as primary meeting venuesDocumentary filmmaking emerging as preferred format for authentic lifestyle representation versus scripted entertainmentThrouples and polyamorous relationship structures gaining cultural visibility and becoming aspirational for some lifestyle participantsInternational swinger club culture remaining vibrant in Europe despite perceptions of declining US swinger scene
Topics
Emotional complexity in polyamorous and throuple relationshipsSwinger club culture and dynamicsAftercare and emotional connection in casual sexual encountersJealousy management in non-monogamous relationshipsSingle male participation in swinger lifestyleUnicorn hunting and single female dynamicsMerging multiple relationship structuresDigital dating apps for lifestyle communitySwinger movie and media representationInternational swinger club experiencesGenerational differences in lifestyle participationCommunication and boundary-setting in open relationshipsPassport and travel documentation requirementsSupernatural coincidence and relationship timingLifestyle community authenticity and trust-building
Companies
Netflix
Platform hosting swinger-themed content including 'The Unicorn' and other lifestyle-related films discussed
Amazon Prime Video
Streaming service hosting swinger movies including 'The Threesome' reviewed in the episode
Field
Dating/hookup app used by lifestyle community for finding partners, compared to DTF app functionality
Etsy
Marketplace where hosts purchased spellcasting services from independent sellers for relationship purposes
Mr. & Mrs. Heff
Adult toy/equipment manufacturer providing Sibian and thrusting machines used by hosts
People
Kat
Female co-host sharing personal swinger lifestyle experiences and relationship challenges throughout episode
Leo
Male co-host discussing relationship dynamics, movie reviews, and upcoming Europe trip plans
Stuart Scott
Invoked as metaphorical 'guardian angel' protecting hosts from relationship breakup spells and bad luck
Italian Edward
Memorable past partner from Rome encounter two years ago, recently reconnected with via WhatsApp for planned Europe m...
Pussy Galore
Close friend in lifestyle community who recommended 'The Unicorn' movie and provides emotional support
Tatiana
Recent single female encounter in San Francisco Bay Area who provided positive experience after relationship setbacks
Lana
First genuine full-bodied unicorn experience lasting six months, met at Twist club, went on Bliss cruise together
Wisconsin
Couple met on Bliss cruise, reconnected unexpectedly at Naughty in New Orleans for full swap experience
Unnamed New York Post writer/author
Writing book on E&M scene and single male sexual reawakening post-divorce, planning to shadow hosts at Naughty in Orl...
Quotes
"We will never ever ever ever ever ever merge a three set into a four set ever."
LeoEarly episode
"Guys under the age of 30, panty-waste."
KatMid-episode
"I've been thinking about you for like two years now. I wanted to reach out to you. I always thought the right, but I couldn't find your number."
Italian Edward (via WhatsApp, quoted by hosts)Late episode
"You cannot be a wallflower. You've got to put yourself out there."
KatMovie discussion section
"The cat has been walking in a desert for so long. I really don't complain very much either, do I?"
KatMid-episode
Full Transcript
Find us at vanilla swingers.com and you'll find Kat's only fans page there too. You wish. Hey Kat. Yeah Leo. I'm going to record one of those silly disclaimers that you put at the beginning of the podcast. Real advisory sticker. Let's go because this is going to be explicit. Oh yeah we're going to talk about lots of sex. Lots of bad language. We might even have sex on the podcast. We might have. Listening to the noise of our love making. There might be nudity. But you can't see it on the podcast. Doesn't matter. You can hear it. You can hear the nudity. We might corrupt you if you're under the age of 18. That's the disclaimer. Don't listen. We're not professional. What else? And yeah we're not professionals. We know nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if you want to try to sue us? Well we don't have any money either. Because this is bite-size and commercial free. We're not trying to make any money. It's fun. So if you like it then tune in and listen. Yeah. Word. It's Kitty Cat. It's Leo and I'm on a hot streak. Yeah. Woo. Of losing. What the segment? Two in the same week. What do you figure the chances are of that cat? That's called Stuart Scott. Stuart Scott. Are you saying Stuart Scott is betraying me now? Oh yeah. Yeah. He just thought you needed a little bit of that L that I've been having and that maybe some of our listeners get. He thought you needed your own dose. It turns out our last episode is on track to be one of our most listened to episode. Which is ironic because we almost didn't record it thinking nobody wants to hear all of our grief. All that tells me is that our listeners want to hear more misery. So let's give them some more misery. Shall we? We have actually a lot of misery and it's coming in on both ends, coming out both ends. It is coming out all over the place. It's like we've had some bad Taco Bell. Yeah, we've had some bad Karma throwing our way, some bad Juju. We are just licking our wounds, but we'd rather be licking other things. I don't want to be licking in the same sentence as coming out both ends. So let's just squash that right there. You heard about the breakup with Lil Batty. And I said to you in jest that the listeners probably going to love this and the only thing they love more than that would be two L's. And so your wish is my command. Well, what we didn't mention in the last episode, one small detail. You know how we talked about in the past of trying to merge a three set into a four set. We thought what could go wrong? What could go wrong? Apparently everything. Everything. So we thought Lil Batty Bunny was intrigued to know if we were going to reach out to Ellie Woman while we were in LA. Well, she's so E and M, but just sounded like a match made. We're both bifurious and we thought, why not bring two bifurious women into the bedroom? They were both more than down. Yes. Very excited. And so we did it. And it's an opportunity to have a lovely MFFF. No, no, not that many Fs. MFFF. I said FFFF. I don't think I said that. You did. You don't have enough Fs to give for that. And now you got. Come on, listeners. Back to the tape. Because all you get right now is an MF. MFFF. Yes, you did add an extra F. And we've never had one of those. So we were down. This will be so fun. And it was fun. And for all intents and purposes, we had to sleep over. I think we thought that the energy would match very well. We know both of them very intimately. And you just know, like not all our single females that we play with that are in our life are similar. These two seem like they had a similar kind of kismet cosmic energy. So they're both allowed. Yeah. And they did. They got along so well that you and I were on the bed together. Alone, actually saying, well, look at them. I guess it's just you and me, babe. It went so well. But. What I can say is they both ended shortly after that. Was that the reason? I don't know. We'll never know. All we do know is what, Leo? That we will never ever ever ever ever ever merge a three set into a four set ever. And it doesn't matter if you're one of our play partners, you're like, man, I really wanted to turn a three into a four. We'll never do it again. You know, one of the reasons why is because feelings, emotions are complicated. And we're all human beings with our own emotions and nobody quite wears their emotions on their sleeve. So you have to mind read. And it's a little hard. And you might have somebody that you get along famously with so famously that we talked about they would both be a couple. One said I'd love to be your Midwest. Thrupple. And the other one said I'd love to be your L.A. Unicorn. Thrupple material. But just because they get along famously with you guys as a three, it just seems slightly complicated. It just changes the energy in the room. Like we talked to Pussy Galore. Let's talk about for just a minute here. We have seen her since all of our breakups have happened and she is such a fabulous breath of fresh air. We love her. She is wonderful. We adore her. Such good friends with her. She's a total, total Thrupple vibes. And in talking to her, we told her we'll never do that again. Well, she was the first one to suggest it with Shy Guy. She wanted to add one of my M's to our MFF. So we'd all get a whole lot of fun. It was actually the other way around. We suggested it to her and she was totally chill with it. And she's been very down. She's actually very keen on it. But we told her we'll never do that. And she asked. Well, what if I don't touch the guy? I'm not really a part of it. It's more complex than that. It changes the energy in the room. It's more nebulous than that. It changes the feng shui in the room. The vibration. It can be unpredictable. I won't sit here and say that that contributed in any way. But we just had the first breakup that we've ever experienced in the lifestyle. And now we've had two in the same week. In the same week. So what's worse than one L, two L's in the same week. Now, during that MFF. MFF. You said too many F's again. You have too many F's to give. Apparently you said MFF F and that would be three extra girls. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you don't got that many F's to give. You know what? You have it. We're counting you. MF. Plus two. Yes. MF. I said four times. Yes. MFF F. All my fingers. I count. How's the matter with that? I don't know. But you don't got none of that. MFF F. Yes. That's where it stops. It doesn't quite roll off the tongue the same way. It doesn't. But you don't have any anymore. I'll tell you one thing. You are now in a dearth. I didn't completely enjoy myself. I did not have an orgasm for one. And one of the reasons why was because I was so overly concerned to make sure nobody felt left out was enjoying themselves, which is not the same as when we had the real MFF F with three extra ladies, Sweet Peach, Wild Child and Camila. Because they were all friends. They knew they knew each other better than they knew us. And that worked fantastic. It was perfect. We did it twice. In fact, it was so wonderful. I run it back in a heartbeat. I would three ladies if you want. Call us because we would so do that again. So it's not that Leo is not capable of pleasing that many ladies at one time. And he's like, oh, in his head, it was more. We have two very different people with different needs that don't know each other. And how do we placate everyone at the same time? Yeah. And one of the other issues is that you can't give your undivided full attention to any one person in the way that they might be used to. Because in our opinion, when you bring a unicorn into your dynamic, a single female, we feel like that unicorn should be put on a pedestal. All the attention should be lathered on them. Right. And I like your use of the word lather. Lather just sounds kind of hot, doesn't it? It sounds like a lot of spit and just frothy. Hot and bothered and lathered. Yeah. We might have done that recently. Oh, we have one W amidst all of our L's. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Moment because we have other L's. We are wallowing in LL. Loser. Now, during the MFF, Badi wanted to tell L.A. Woman, who is kind of a mystical cosmic lady, spellcasting woman that she once did that trend that's on TikTok about hiring an Etsy spellcaster. She cast a spell, a contact me spell. So somebody who had ghosted her, stopped talking to her, would come back into her DMs. And it worked. And it worked. What do you think? You believe in that spell, though? Well, she said it worked and it only cost $16. So what do you do? We bought an Etsy spellcast. Now, I'm not going to tell you what it is. And we're not going to tell you what it was for or who it was for. But we will tell you if it works. We will tell you if it works. It's basically, it's in the cosmic universe right now. The spell has been cast. I think there's been some incense burned. There's been some incantations chanted. And some candle wax carving. And maybe some sage. So we'll see if we get our $16 worth. But if it works, I'm going to go back for some other ones. I'm going to get some of my guys on there. OK, see, I think in our efforts, that somebody may have cast a breakup spell on us. Like to try to sever the ties between us, cause us friction. I think somebody might have cast that. But the problem was is that we have a Swinger Guardian angel. Stuart Scott. Oh, we've got a huge bubble of protection. Yeah. He's stopping all those bullets from hitting us. So I think the breakup spell intended for you and I. Did it hit us? And then it ricocheted and it caused breakups with two thruples. You can't make that up. You can't make that up. And now we realize that I don't think we can have more than one trouble at a time. So I think. Back to that. That Pushe cast the thruple spell when we were talking about, I think we can only hold space for one trouble at a time, but maybe that's all changed. And she said, oh, hell no. Oh, no, not that. Oh, it's not. This is a do-kill member. Ah, that sounds really, really enchanting. That's kind of scary. I know. Did you just enchant me? I hope not. Am I going to turn into a frog? Well, you've been kissing a lot of frogs. I've been kissing a lot of frogs. But I hear all it takes is one prince. Prince Charming. Should we talk about the frogs I've been kissing? Oh, they've been terrible. So we're going to Europe in the span of four days. We're going on our own. We're very excited. But do you know what we're doing right now? We're in a parking garage waiting for the passport office to print your passport the same day. Yeah, because no, my passport is not expired. I was aware it expires in June. Stupid me. Thought, ah, that'll be fine. I'll be back in two weeks. Wrong. Apparently, your passport has to have six months before it expires. So it's really only good for nine and a half years, not 10. In a certain amount of the EU country. And so we were scrambling yesterday. What is up with that anyway? What is that, like shrinkflation? I mean, you're going to get it for 10 years. All I can say is, if I hadn't had just literally, I don't even know why something bit me in the butt to look this up yesterday. If I had just shown up at the airport on Monday, I was going to be denied boarding. How about that? Yeah, like think about that. I don't mind. We have to sit here for three and a half hours to wait for them to print my passport. But I'm OK with that because I want to go to Europe. I call that a big enough L to count that as three for three. I think Chad actually said, oh, you're in the oh shit point right now where you need to go get yourself up to that passport agency and get yourself a passport. But let's talk about some frogs. First up, Dutchden Timberlake. He's been in your phone five months. Six. The plan was to see him when we went to Amsterdam. He's Dutch. I mean, from now. Right. He's my Dutch boy. Turns out he decides sabbatical. So I asked him, when is the sabbatical? When are you leaving? Because obviously he's still in town now. He leaves two days before I get there. Let me just say it again. Two days. Scratch that one. Are you kidding me? Like I was so bummed when I heard it. Got to lick my wounds and move on. I'm used to getting the chair leg kicked out from under me. So I don't wallow in it very much. And I wallowed for like probably all of 10 minutes. And then I realized maybe Stuart Scott doesn't want me to meet him because we have a great sexting relationship, but maybe in person, it might have been more awkward. I don't know. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't have been as much of a smoothie in person as he is with his text game. After that, your birthday weekend. I had three possible MFMs in the Bay Area. So I wanted to put myself out there so I'd be available in case one of them panned out. And which one was my favorite, honey? Do you love me? No. Do you suffer? No. Mother of her. So for boy, my little suffer boy. After being in my phone on and off since that fateful day, like a month and a half ago, we actually had a plan to meet at a certain time. Yeah, we were up in the Bay Area. You saw the Coast Guard boat, snapped a photo of it, texted him after a year had gone by. And he texted you back. He was blowing up your phone. And we blew up again when we saw Pussy Galore. I was up there again. He was texting me again, hot and heavy. It felt like it was really on. We actually had a date set for that weekend. And in the end, he told you, I can't do it. Now, when I say can't do it, I don't mean there was a scheduling conflict. I mean, he lost his nerve. Yeah, and a year ago, this was what he wanted more than anything. I want to have a threesome. I've always wanted to do this. And that's not the place he's in right now. I think he thinks he wants it. But when it came push game to shove, day before, I can't do it. I'm sorry. Can I just say that guys under the age of 30, panty-waste? Yes. And you were surprised because I just came up to you randomly and said he canceled. And you didn't know what I was talking about. Well, you were talking about somebody else on your phone. And when you said he's canceled, I thought you were talking about some guy sending you a dick pic. And saying, ah, I don't want to meet this guy. Low EQ, you meant he's canceled. Surfer boy. Surfer boy. And so with that, Surfer Boy's kind of done. Really doubt that's going to happen. I have to get my head around that. But that was a really, really big L. Yeah, you were gutted. And I got a theory. I think that Dutchton Timberlake, he might also fall into that category. Afraid to meet me. Afraid to meet you. Not a scheduling conflict. Maybe afraid he won't live up to my expectations or. Maybe it's afraid to meet me. That's a fair point. Right. Because he's not out there looking for threesome. He's out there looking for single gals. You got any more L's you want to throw onto the bonfire? Well, we had two other possibles that weekend. You know what? Who cares about that? Yeah, they don't matter. Let's skip ahead. But then there was one more. In the lore of Disney Princesses. We all know there are lots of frogs to kiss. But in the end, the princess gets saved by a handsome prince. Dark haired. And they live happily ever after. Don't they ride off on a steed? They do. Is that my imagination? Yes. Yes. Let's talk about the prince in this story, shall we? Because on your Mount Rushmore, there is one that stands alone. It has always stood alone. And this is from two years ago. Which one of you out there listening knows who we're talking about? Oh, well, that's how, well, that's how, well, that's how, Twilight Edward, most amazing MFM I've ever had in Rome about two years ago. Worst club we've ever been to in Rome. The most handsome guy we've ever seen in the lifestyle since we began. All of our swiping in field. Absolutely the most handsome guy we've ever seen. In fact, it was the only person Leo has ever leaned over and said, don't even think about it. I figured he was an arrogant douche. It turns out he is a fantastic guy. And so over the course of the last two years, a year ago, we thought, man, I wish we were going to Europe again because we could reach out to him. One of the things we talked about is before we go, we're definitely going, we talked about it on the pod. I know, but I felt like with Little Baddie Bunny coming, I had everything planned as to what to do. There was no way there was time to go to Rome. See, that's where we disagreed. I don't think we would have reached out. You think we wouldn't have reached out if it were Little Baddie going to Europe. And I'm going to tell you why. I totally disagree. You were going to be all wrapped up in that and you wouldn't have thought about it. False. I'm so right. Absolutely false. I'm surprised you didn't say true. You were so distracted and so wrapped up in that, which is why you're out of a fog now. I wouldn't have wanted to merge sets with Little Baddie and Italian Edward. I don't think we would have reached out. I'm just being super honest with you. And so for me- But we would have reached out. I think we're having an argument right now. I just think I'm right. I wish you would agree with me. I totally, totally disagree. You were so wrapped up in the fog. Absolutely wrong. Of Little Baddie Bunny. Absolutely wrong. There was one person that I would always hold space for and that would be Italian Edward, the number one spot on your Mount Rushmore. So let's just fast forward. Now that she's canceled, it seemed like right time to, hey, let's reach out to him. I've got his phone number. It was ripe, you say. I reached out to him on WhatsApp. He wrote back within like 10 minutes. And he told you, I've been thinking about you for like two years now. I wanted to reach out to you. I always thought the right, but I couldn't find your number. It's so wonderful to hear about you. I think often about the times that we walk through a room looking for the ice cream and the pizza rosa. I think very fondly of that and everything else. Everything else. Yeah. Everything else. And he's finished it. Not just, it was nice to hear from you. He said, if you're going to be in Rome, tell me and I'll come say hi. Yeah. Then it escalated from there. And it became, we should have planned it for something. So what does cat have? We're planning to go to Rome in between our terrorist stay. We're going to be there for two nights. We've added to our itinerary. Yes. It's going to be worth it. The Italian connection. We're going to go see Edward, guys. I just got done saying that single guys under the age of 30, sock, donkey balls, are scared of their own shadows. But he was always a anomaly. He was 22 at the time. He was built differently. Yeah. He'll be 24 now. You have to understand he is this amazingly handsome dude. He has a girlfriend and he is in this hole in a wall Swinger Club on a Thursday night. Where do I fall on that scale? Are you going to be like, he's this amazing handsome guy? You can come to, but you got to hold the water. You understand the water boy. You understand. It's nothing personal. You make the pizza pie. And while I'm really excited, I am not going to put all my eggs in a basket because I've been ghosted, gutted far too many times. Let me tell you something. When you saw Edward the first time, we were so soft. We had a no kissing role. I've never even kissed him. All I had was him kissing on the side of my neck. What do you mean? No kissing a ruler. It was so soft. This is ridiculous. How many times have I said since we've gone full for me? Man, I wish I'd gone full with Edward. Oh my God. Yay. I'm so excited. OK, so guys, please don't cast a spell for this not to happen. Please put out into the universe. I really, really deserve this. I want you guys to understand. I have so many L's. The cat has been walking in a desert for so long. I really don't complain very much either, do I? No, you really are fantastic. I had Magic Mike reach out again after, you know, a month and a half after the whole booty call, not a booty call. He's still interested, but you're like, where were you? That wasn't 3.30 in the frickin morning. I'm thinking that Stuart Scott might be my guardian angel. Stuart Scott might hate you. What a heinous policy. It's Stuart Scott. What a heinous policy. I have told you. We have an easier time fighting unicorns than we do, guys. If it means sacrificing those two potential thruples at the altar of the Swinger Gods in order to give you the number one spot on Mount Rushmark. You would have never done it. You would have never done it if they hadn't already broken up with you. I'm telling you, it's done now. It doesn't count. You have to. You hold my feet to the fire like that. You have to willingly sacrifice them, not. I figured we might be able to squeeze both of us in there. You mean I got to give up it? OK, OK. I am going to give up everything for you, my love. So I'm still swiping in Amsterdam. We're looking for guys, girls, couples. We're still swiping in Paris. But at the end of the day, Leo and I are going to have an amazing time because we love those cities. We're going to go to a million clubs. We are going to try to manifest Prince Edward. He is going to come through a line of frogs and say, cat, mi amor. You do know he's the only one. Is that what you say in Italian? Mi amor. Mi amor. He's the only one we don't actually have a photo of. And he doesn't have a photo of us. So for him to have this built up fantasy in his head, we don't even remember what each other looks like. I think we said the other day that we're considering printing out just a handful of photos, I mean, a handful and actually put them in our bedroom. And so people will see them. Oh, who are these? Oh, these are just some friends of ours. But some of our really special ones, some of our throubles, Edward. Yeah, we ain't going to stay down for long. That's not our style. No, we got to pick ourselves up. We got to lick our wounds and we got to move on and lick our wounds and move on. We did. We did a lot of licking and a lot of moving on. We had we talking about that. The honor. Katiana is a beautiful Russian gal. Didn't realize she spoke Russian, but damn, she was speaking Russian to us in the bedroom. She spoke Russian fluently. She is sassy. She is a bundle of energy. She is wild. We didn't know she was Russian. You have to understand we found her on field. She pinged us. She was very interested. We were just as interested in her. And I told Leo, I am totally excited about this, even though I was trying to keep myself open for MFOs, because I love new experiences and she was just a beautiful girl. We thought she was fake. Bra. We thought she was fake because she was sexting as we were driving up. She was sending us sexy photos saying, I can't host. What do you guys think? Can you host? You're like, this is totally not real. We didn't think she was real. She was super intentional. There were some things she did. Super hot. She did send us a voice memo. I just wanted to kind of say hi. She had a sexy voice, but she didn't reveal that she was Russian up to that point. No. And the whole time I told Leo, should I tell her that I don't think she's real, that I think she's fake? He's like, no, no, no. Just we'll just go to the bar and see what we see. I think we were in a mode where until she shows up, we'll just assume that it might not be real. Right. We got no expectations whatsoever. And show up. She did. And it was. Oh, my God. It was absolute salve for the soul. And it was Stuart Scott giving that to us because we don't usually meet girls on field. I don't even always open myself up to women because we're not looking for girls on field. Because you have two damn many unicorns already. I feel like if I keep finding more, I'm never going to have time for an MFM. But here she came in. And I don't even put myself in San Francisco very often. I was there for like a minute and she found out she was kind of ridiculous. She was ridiculous. Oh, my God, she stayed till four in the morning. Yeah. And she spoke Russian. It's a really demanding way. She was by furious. Oh, my God. I adore her. I left the room at one point and she had the double dildo out and she was going to town on you. We were so much fun. Who needs you? And you know what? Salve for the soul. She was like at all the wounds. It was one of our more wild unicorns that we've met. Oh, my gosh. And she lives just up the road, not too far. So excited for where this is going to take us. Because we were driving instead of flying. We had thrown a couple of the big toys into the car, namely the Sibian from Mr. Mrs. Heff. Shout out to Mr. Mrs. Heff. And the awful thrusting machine. You say it's awful, but I've actually since adjusted it and we haven't used it since then. We thought to ourselves, we're going up and even though we've got a hotel, even if nothing pans out, we're going to have some wild sex. And he thought he would DP me with the thrusting machine. That was the intention. If we didn't find anything, we'd have fun on our own. Because, you know, who wants to sit in a hotel room holding their dicks in a hand? I'll hold your dick in my hand. And when we were unpacking the car to take it up to the room, you said, just leave it. We won't bring it for this time. Because she was supposed to be there that night. Fast forward. I'm here to tell you, we could have definitely brought that stuff upstairs. Yeah, we would have had a lot of fun. So, you know, she is drivable, so there will be future rendezvous. And we should bring some of our little toys and gadgets. She was pretty amazing. I like her a lot. I like her a lot, too. She's fun. Yeah. She's sexy. I should almost play some of the Russian that she spoke to. No, you can't do that because you're toxic. OK, it was really hot. Like I was having flashbacks to Drago. I was having flashbacks to Rusky, but damn, she was even sexier. I was like, well, you played her Rusky's voice message and she translated it right on the spot. She knew exactly what it said. And it's exactly what he said. Super hot. Yeah. Yeah. So that happened. And that was just Stuart Scott. He was throwing us a bone. I probably had myself open in San Francisco for like all of an hour or two. It was really limited. Like, well, I've got three possibles. Why do I even go swiping? Oh, what the hell? It was just crazy meant to be. Not to put labels on it, but she was kind of a submissive for me and a dom for you. That was fucking hot. I send her a photo the next day. It's really this hot photo of her and I kissing with our lights and, you know, the rave room behind us. And she commented, oh, my God, look at my hair. It's all fucked up. That shows like a fucked really. I'm like, I didn't say that. I like that she manhandles you. And she speaks Russian to you. It's kind of a dumb voice. It's her dumb voice. Russian is sort of a dumb language. So that happened. And we're very excited for that spot of sunshine to come into our lives because we needed it. Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing her again real soon. Her hometown is actually in her backyard. Yeah. When we exchanged phone numbers, our area code was from her hometown. And she was like, oh, my God, you can't make that up. Which is why you can't make up the fact that we met her. It was just completely. Kismet. Kismet. And she just moved away from our hometown area. Like very recently, she'd been there for a couple of years and we're like, well, we've been exploring for a couple of years. Funny that we were in each other's literally backyard. Never have met. Never the twain shall meet. That would be trouble. That would be such trouble. If she was there full time, that'd be big trouble. Because you know, for us, we don't play beyond about an hour, two hours away. And it works for us because then it's an overnight. We don't get the bugaboo on a Tuesday to go do something super crazy. But we would. I think we'll probably go on some adventures together in the foreseeable future. That's what I predict. Post Europe, for sure. You know, the funny thing is a couple of days after we'd met her, we got, you know, the aftercare message, like had a really good time. Thanks for coming out. No, it started off by her saying, I've had some time to reflect over the weekend. Leo had like, oh my God, PTSD now. We already had two of those messages. I was like, oh, shit, not again. It didn't have to be a fantastic message. And maybe we're just over two. Just don't start off any more messages by I've had some time to reflect. Hey, honey, I've had some time to reflect. I've had some time to reflect and she's pretty fucking awesome. So you excited? You ready? You ready for? I'm ready to get my passport, but I'm really excited for Europe. We plan on hitting a lot of clubs. Yeah, we're going to just do them all. We're going to just go like our hair is on fire. And we'll tell you about all our adventures. We'll do some club reviews of Amsterdam and Paris. And we're just hopeful that my Italian friends will show up and we'll have some fun. So you're saying we were down, but not out. I feel like post Europe, we're going to say we're back. That's my plan. With something else interesting happened. Has somebody reached out who's a writer for the New York Post? He's writing a book on the E&M scene and kind of also his personal experiences as a single male in the lifestyle and his sexual reawakening after divorce. And I think he said that he wants to shadow us maybe at Naughty in Orleans to kind of see how the lifestyle is for a couple as opposed to a single male. So if you see a middle aged journalist shadowing us, looking like he's standing out in a crowd. He's an author. He's got a really great gift for Gav. He's actually sent us the first couple chapters of his story. And he's not quite sure where he wants to go with it, but he's a fantastic writer. And I've really enjoyed reading it. And I think that the talk was in there somewhere about how we might work together in the future because he's talking about doing some Netflix pitches, you know, some kind of writing. E&M is so big right now. Like, I know I've read recently, someone said, I don't think that swinging is as big as it used to be. Like it's heyday was like 2008. I think that's absolutely BS. Well, I think it's splintered more. It used to be that swinging was. Swinging. Couples swinging with couples. Swapping just full on swap, swap, swap. But today it's splintered into all these subgroups and E&M. And there's Polly and there's three sums and there's hot wifing. There's all these things all under the same umbrella. But E&M is really popular right now. I think it is. And so you've got the shows like couple to triple. We were watching DTF St. Lewis the other night and it's talking about an app, an app called DTF St. Lewis, which sounds suspiciously like field. And that was sort of the story device that they used. It just keeps popping up everywhere you look. Yeah, looking for kind of sexual gratification outside of your marriage. Temptation Island is basically structured around that. They come in as a couple. Well, some of them are in there wanting to have three sums. Now, of course, they're trying to tempt partners in the couple to stray. They should just say, I'll come and be with you as a three sum. Duh. I know, right? But I just feel like sometimes you're meant to meet different people because they open different doors to adventures that you might not have otherwise taken. And so you really need to, when that happens, say yes, lean in instead of this door could open, but we could just as easily close it shut. OK, well, thanks. It's been great. Whereas we're willing to just explore. Let's see where this takes us. All the possibilities. Yeah, we don't do it for money. We just do it for the love of the game. But who knows, there might be something in the future that we have yet to experience, explore, grab that the source. So, Leo, what are we going to talk about while we're sitting in a parking garage waiting for my passport? But we were just talking about movies. Why don't we just cover a couple of the movies that we've been watching lately? We're a little bit addicted. And so we're kind of in that mode again of watching swing or movies, three some movies. And we have a whole page devoted to all of them. Every now and again, they pop up. You got to track them down. And sometimes some of our listeners say, have you seen this one? So we're like, all right, we'll give it a try. One of them was Professor Marston and the Wonder Women. I didn't add that to the page yet. It's a movie about the guy who originally created Wonder Woman. And boy, did he have an interesting story. And boy, am I shocked that his creation ever came to light. Well, the movie is about him having a throuple back in the 1940s. And throuple, meaning they had children together. They were together for like 20 years. Yeah, one of those throuples where they ask you, do you guys all live together? And the answer was yes. Right. Not quite any kind of throuple we've ever had. We're not having each other's babies. We're not raising each other's babies. I'm not going to go too much into the plotline. No, because we don't want to do a spoiler alert. We're just going to tell you whether it was a thumbs up or thumbs down. It was a pretty good movie overall, I have to say. I get why people suggested it because when you're watching it, if you're a couple out there and you're fantasizing about having a throuple and MFF threesome, it looks idyllic. It does because everybody's in love with everybody else, right? The two girls are in love with each other. The guy in this particular kind of throuple sake is in love with both of them. It's almost like having a girlfriend and a wife. The one thing I didn't like about the Professor Marston and the Wonder Woman is that they made it out to be like it was a hot, throuple threesome where the girls were so fixated on one another. By furious. In fact, the true story of it is, is that after he died, the two girls lived together for 38 years. There was never any indication that they had a romantic or sexual relationship that they just made that up. That maybe they were just companions, because, you know, women can live together as companions, especially back in the 1940s, when it might have just been a matter of survival. I didn't really appreciate that. They took great liberties. Yes. And they turned it into a sexual kind of. It really did. They did the same thing with Wuthering Heights and Jacob Alordy and Margot Robbie. They made that much more sexual, you know, than it was. Yeah, it was hot, but I thought they did take liberties. And I think that did do a disservice. It was trying to be historically accurate to the source material. It wasn't really a biopic. Let's talk about another one. We recently were recommended a movie called Swingers from a listener, and it was a Dutch subtitled 2002 movie. I hated it. But 40 minutes in, there is the hottest threesome scene. Yes, we watched it like must have watched it seven times in a row. We were going at it. Oh, my God, it was so hot, except the extra guy who was in the bathroom crying. And every time he came in, you're like, oh, my God, you're messing up our sex scene. It was two couples and they were going to spend the weekend together and swap based on like some classified ad type of thing. You talking about some retro swing. Yeah, I don't know when it was based, but it was all Polaroids in the mail. Yeah, they're like sight unseen. Here we go. One of them was an experienced couple. One had never done it before. And so there was a lot of accuracies about the new couple were like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. What's he going to think of me? And and they had the NRE coursing through them. All that was a really inaccurate representation. And then they got to the sex scene part. I couldn't figure out why the experienced husband was in the bathroom crying the whole time while his wife was unicorning out there for the newbie couple. But God, it was so hot. Like the moment that she gave him a condom and he went inside, it was just like, oh, my God, it was just so freaking hot. You and I were getting close. They cut back to the ugly cry phase. And they were like, we got to start over. I was building and building an edge. They won. Yeah. So 40 minutes in, swingers, 2002 movie. You should watch it just for that sex scene. It was really soft, corn, but I didn't care for how it ended. It kind of went out with a whimper with a whimper. They didn't like stalk. They didn't kill each other. It wasn't something crazy like some end. You talking about that they didn't paint the swinger couple as a crazy psycho killer? No, they just had their share of drama. That was about all. But then while we were looking up that movie, we looked up the word swingers and we came across a very recent one. I think it was just a few years ago and it was documentary. Oh, that was actually a good one. The one about that club, vanilla alternative alternative in the UK. And it was fun because it followed two couples on one single night, two single ladies and one single guy. And so you got to see what it is they were looking for and what their night of debauchery would look like at the club. Well, it was a documentary. And so it was a real club with very real people. If you want to know what a swinger club looks like, watch that documentary. They even have the Swinger Buffet. Did they really? They absolutely did. Don't you remember the guy who ran it was this British gentleman. He was like 78 years old, very charming. And he was helping to put out the potluck Swinger Buffet. And he seemed so happy. He'd been in that kind of realm for a while. And I thought, man, at 78, I want to be having a lot of sex. And I'll probably be really happy. I think all swinger club owners should speak with a British accent. It's so charming. It's so classy. It's not creepy. There was drama. There were people crying about being insecure. But at the end of the day, there's somebody for you to focus on. Oh, maybe we have more in common with the unicorn because we might think, oh, we could have played with her. Or maybe you have more in common with this couple. They had like a 65 year old gal who was on the prowl and she was really entertaining. Did she get late? She did not get late, but she said sometimes she gets lucky and sometimes she doesn't. Well, you know what? She did embody one of those traits that you need to be successful in the lifestyle. You cannot be a wallflower. You've got to put yourself out there. And that's what she did. She was fearless of rejection. She was in the hot tub with a couple. She was on the bed with a couple. She was with a hot couple. She was with a really hot couple, a single guy and a single gal. And she was not able to bring it home, but not for lack of trying. So that was a good documentary. If you want to kind of see what a Swinger Club is like. What was it called again? Swingers. Swingers. Just go on the website. If you do my little search box and you look up movies, I've got all the movies listed that we've watched. What's the other one we watched just recently? The threesome. That's like our favorite. Was it called the threesome? It was called The Threesome. I was waiting for the title here. No, it's on Amazon. That was a really well done film. Pussy. Galore is the one that told us about that one. It had a really handsome guy. Beverly D'Angelo, which I think is from. Oh, well then come on. It was a program, Kat. OK, you're either making me look really smart or really dumb. Really dumb. I don't need any help in that department. It was called the threesome. Oh, no, it was called the unicorn. We haven't put that one on our page. It's just finished it. Yes, that was a great movie. That was actually well done. It was set in Palm Springs and it was a young couple who'd never had a threesome before, but they found out that their parents had lots of threesome. They were swingers. And so maybe that's why they're so happy. They renew their vowels every year. Every five years. The parents look like they were absolutely killing it. Oh, my God. And so this couple, they go through trying to pick someone up at the bar. They go through getting an escort. And you see all the different kind of iterations. It's actually very accurate, but it's a comedy as well. It's a cute rom-com. But it had a really good ending. I won't tell you the ending, but we like a happy ending. And it was a really happy ending that didn't go flaming off into a happy ending. I too like a happy ending. We're going to have to get you a damn happy ending in the room. I'm not putting any eggs in that basket at all. You're going to put all your eggs in that basket. I know. And then since this time, I had met another guy on field that I really, really liked all of like for a weekend, but he had the best EQ ever. You're talking about juice. Yes. It turns out the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. He even said the photo with four fingers. I knew he was not catfishing me. Did I tell you that single guys under the age of 30 are scared? They're just scaredy cats. I mean, Surfer Boy won't even come out again, and he's already been with us. They're just scared. But there is one to rule them all. Here's hoping. Are you guys so excited? Please, please put it out in the universe. For Italian Edward. Go watch Twilight. We were talking just the other day. He looks just like Twilight. What are some of our Mount Rushmore experiences? Rather than just our people, our experiences fall into a different category. The people have to be fantastic, of course. But we can tell you the experiences, because it's almost like they're nonsensical. I can't even believe that happened. It always has to have a bit of supernatural thrown in there where you just can't believe that just happened. So I don't think we have them in any order, but I think we have three or four in mind. I mean, one of them, of course, is the MFFF, because it was unplanned and it just happened, and it didn't happen once. It happened twice, like over the course of two months, and it was just as amazing the second time. The energy in there was something that's difficult to describe. It basically was three girls who were already friends, and we were coming into their space. And they were very bi, so much so that they were just happy doing their own thing, or being with me. The giggling that was happening. All of us were doing something for the first time, and it was just amazing. And I can't even believe we were able to reiterate that a second time. Edward has to be in there, because we met him in the stankiest, jankiest club in all of Europe, just about. And then he told me, it's not possible. Don't even look at him. And then we changed our mind. He said, you can cancel the Uber. And we, at that point, already knew we didn't like playing in clubs, especially with single guys. It was so magical, though. He took me into the broom closet of a room, so we could have a little tete-a-tete, a little menage-a-twa action. So not wanting to lose this opportunity, we're like, let's take it back to the little broom closet of a playroom. Well, that was early on in our journey, when we had just started to transition from playing with single guys at the club to taking it back to our hotel room. Because there's nothing that hits better than in your own hotel room. But he was so fantastic. We didn't want to miss the opportunity. We actually did what we suggest you do and just say yes. Just go for it right there. And so we went into a janky-ass broom closet, and you were sandwiched between two guys in the amount of space that would be described as, like, the front seat of your car. Yes. And in the course of that intimate little broom closet. While he was pretty much in the wheel well of the car, pleasuring me. You remember that, do you? With his maffy hair and those dangly earrings. The only other couple that was in that crappy club tried to open the door to the broom closet, and Kat whipped out her high heel shoe and kicked the door shut and said, my threesome. That alone would not make for an experience. We then took it to a hotel the next night, and he came into Rome and spent the evening with us. And after play, something happened that we'd never experienced prior to that. It was aftercare of all aftercare. He sat there on the bed, and he was just talking. And we thought, at this point in an MFM, this is the part where you get up, you put your pants on, and you walk out that door so that you and I, we could reconnect. We could debrief. We could have reclamation sex. He has post-nat clarity. Probably he's ready to go, right? But he wasn't leaving. And so at some point, I pantomimed, oh, well, you know, it's getting late, but I think I'm hungry. So we thought we'd walk him out, and he would go to his car, and we would go get some food. But we got outside, and he said he was gonna come with us. I will show you a wonderful place to get the pizzerosa. And it ended up being like a three hour long journey in the middle of the night through Rome. And at the time, it felt difficult. It felt a little bit awkward, but not long after that, we looked back and we said that that was one of the first spaces between that we had experienced, and that those are actually the moments that you should embrace with two hands. And what's so special is in the texts we've had recently in the last couple of weeks, is that he's actually said, I've often thought about those special days and walking through Rome in the middle of the night, eating a sandwich and gelato. And you're like, oh my God, you have the same memories. He remembers that moment fondly. And we experienced something similar to that with Lana, because also she was the first genuine full-bodied unicorn experience that we had. So Lana would be our third experience. Well, because of the supernatural nature where we were in twist, we weren't even looking. We didn't know single gals went to twist. Like we just thought it was all couples only. And she singled us out and came and sat next to us. And I just assumed, where's your husband? Cause I don't see anybody I'm personally attracted to. We had our guard up so much that when she sat down next to me, I stood up and I moved to the other side of her so you could talk to her. It was such kismet when she's like, I know I'm here alone. And we just went right and played because she's so unfiltered and so direct. And it was more the experience of it's our first time. We went exclusive with her for like six months. But after that first night that we met her, after twist, we all went back to our hotel room. To finish what we'd started because the rave room was set up and ready to play. And when we were done, she told us, I know this fun spot to go watch the sunrise. I think we drove following her, right? We both had our own car, like about a half an hour. We had to go from San Francisco to East Bay. So we had to take the bridge. I remember thinking, what the hell are we doing? What the hell are we doing? We should be reclamation sexy. Reclamation, that's right. Reclamation, reclamation. Pull up on the lever, pull up on the lever. It was still early on with that spaces between. And so then it proceeded to she visited us. We went to Vegas together. We went on a bliss cruise all in the span of this five, six month exclusive threpple hood. I think we sat on some graffitied rock on some lookout point. And it was foggy and you couldn't see the sunrise at all. I remember giving her my jacket and I was freezing my ass off. Trying to look manly. She had like some running shoes in her car. So she changed into them to walk on the ground. I'm like teetering around still in my heels because that's all I had on. But it was the moment, the experience of it being our first level. That definitely will always be in our Mount Rushmore. And then we had a curious one that we added. It was a sleeper one. This one is going to surprise them if they actually listen. We haven't played with very many couples. Two to be exact. One soft and one full. And the former of the two, I think may take a place on our Mount Rushmore of experiences because we had initially met Wisconsin. On the November bliss when we took Lana and the three of us with Lana, we all were like, we're going to shoot our shot. This will be a fun one. We were flirty with them the entire trip. We saw them all the time. Well, when we went on there with Lana, one of the things we said is let's get some posted notes and put them all over the cabin wall with bucket list items. Yes, sexual things to do. Oh, let's try this one. I think she said Leo's ass and Leo's like, we are not going to do this one. They ain't caught me yet. She actually added a new sticky note that said Wisconsin, which was just wild. Do we still own that? Probably. And so fast forward, the three of us were having dinner with them. And I think we were kind of nudging the idea of maybe shooting our shot. But I think their impression was Lana's wild. Lana was so wild, even at the dinner table, the stuff she busted out with. She talked about BDSM stuff. They were newer than us. And we were still. Put a strap on on. I was still not full at that point. We were still, this was the first person you'd only gone full with. We thought at that point, maybe you'll never go full with another girl ever. Like we were still new, but they were newer than us. And I think that Lana scared the hell out of us. I think they thought, but what is she gonna be doing? And so they demurred in a really kind way and said we just weren't ready for it. But they actually texted us after we all disembarked, something that normally people don't ever do. They certainly don't owe you. Because nobody ever tells you the thing, right? They don't tell you why. They don't ever just speak the truth. And they said, we just weren't ready. And we were tempted, but just weren't able to do that. And then fast forward, what, a year later? I think it was like full nine months later, somebody could have had a baby. And we were naughty in New Orleans together. Just, Leo and I, and we ran across Wisconsin. We didn't know they were gonna be there. No idea they were gonna be there. And so that ship had sailed. We weren't gonna shoot our shot again. Yeah, we're not gonna shoot our shot twice. We'll be friends, right? And so we were leaning out. It was flirty fun. But it was a little flirty, friendly fun. And then at some point it just kind of escalated. And the next thing we knew on the last night. They ended up in our bedroom. And we had a full on amazing last night experience with them. That was so unexpected. It was quite lovely. And at the end, we swapped lanyards. So they own one of our lanyards. It says vanilla swingers, because that's what they put on for us. And we own one of their lanyards that says their real names. Wisconsin. And afterwards, we actually texted Lana, even though it was probably four in the morning her time. And we said, guess what we just did? Guess who we just saw? And all we sent was a photo of the two lanyards laying on the bed. And she is the only one that would appreciate the gravity of, you don't understand. It had been so long. And you know, when time passes, it just kind of builds it up. It was as if she was in the room with us. I just remember, she said something like, this bitch is green with envy right now. I was just priceless. And it just felt like one of those things where that just happened. It was an experience. It was just the whole thing wrapped in one that it had been so long and it had all these different variables. And then all of a sudden, there you are together. And then unexpectedly, I think they left us a review on one of the Swinger apps or website. Which is weird, because that's obviously not how we met them. And they couldn't have been more lovely and more grateful. They said like, you guys are everything that's right with the lifestyle. It was just the most lovely, lovely message. It was the only one we allowed to go above Roller Girls. Amazing Yelp review she gave of us. Our five star Yelp review. Which is actually something we've taken a screenshot of that review from Roller Girl. And it's on our field profile. And people say it all the time, well, gosh, look at that five star review. You couldn't have gotten a better review had you paid for it. I know, right? And you're like, I know it's a Yelp review for a sex life. Isn't that hot? And we don't even use Cassidy at all. We don't use Cassidy at all. So we got off on a tangent. Those are our main experiences, I think as experiences that you just can't make them up. They just are a little bit more cosmic and a little more, I can't even believe that happened. Yeah. There's a couple more up there, but we won't go into those now. Let's talk about some more movies. The one I was talking about that you thought I was talking about was called The Threesome. The one where it was the really hot guy and he had a girlfriend and they met a girl. Are you talking about the one where he got him both pregnant? He got him both pregnant. We don't talk about babies here, huh? Yes, but it was a hot scene. Little Leo's and little Edwards. You gotta watch the scene because it was so hot. It really how Threesome's worked for us. Like it was a little bit of flirty, maybe play a little icebreaker game. Let's go back to that discussion we had earlier though. That little disagreement that we had sitting there. The way you disagreed, you made it sound like I was advocating for kitchen table pop. I was just saying that in the realm of our situationships, there are feelings and emotions involved that are strong enough that you would classify them as strong love hormone. Like. Are we gonna agree to disagree here? Like if Dutch Dintember like if he told me he loved me, I would really like that. Yeah, I know you would. I think you're just talking about two sides of your mouth right here. Maybe. I'm saying that hypothetically speaking and not hypothetically because there's no question that we've had or currently have situationships where the feelings and emotions involved are stronger than like. Yes. And I'm here for it. I think that it also differs because we mostly have Threesome Dynamics. If all you do are a couple dynamics, you're probably not gonna have this breath and depth of emotion because couples, by their very nature, are pretty guarded. Let me tell you what we're not gonna do. We're not gonna play separate. We're never gonna play solo. You go on a date with her, honey, that'll never happen. I'm feeding him in, okay? I'm licking them both at the same time. I'm right there. Which is really quite hard. And I'm, it's me, honey, hi, it's me, here you are. We're never going to move in together. You're gonna feed him in. Co-habitate. Hahaha. Oh, you think that's gonna happen now, huh? I think that's so funny. It'll be hot. Give it a couple of wanks. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, just feeding it. I don't know. Like, like that idea of someone else going inside. So you're not there yet. You're like. You think I'm gonna feed somebody into you. Woman. Man. Screw your head on. We are not going to co-habitate and we are not going to have any babies. Okay. That's what we draw the line. We also don't bring. Little leos and little edwards. We also don't bring any of our situationships into our vanilla lives personally. I know a lot of people go on real vanilla vacations, family vacays with their play partners, we'll never do that. We keep it very separate. And so- But we would go on vacation together, we often do. We would go on vacation together, but that keeps our feelings protected, I feel. When our vanilla life stays very much just you and me, vanilla. You know, Mr. Marshall and the Wonder Women, when you saw her climb into the bed in the middle. Oh. You know- We've been there. We've been there. In fact, the beginning of that movie, probably the first half, it felt eerily reminiscent. It felt like it was almost first person. Yeah, the one that recently got away. Yeah. That one. You talking about that one? Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about some more movies. But of all the swear movies, the threesome was probably one of the most well-made. It was, but there's two other threesome movies that I feel are equally as good. It was a great comedy. Are we just gonna move on from it? The fact that he got them both pregnant on a single night of a threesome- I don't want to give you a spoiler alert. It was a really good movie. It's on Netflix. You should watch it. Everybody dies in the end. Yes, in a fiery crash. They're all psycho-murders. Because you can't have a bunch of little, whatever his name is running around. I think most people agree that Hollywood loves to depict swing and the lifestyle as a bunch of wackos in poor light. We'll talk about, there's three that are awful, and we will get to that. But there's the three way, which was that cute little indie film where it was a girlfriend and boyfriend, and they both wanted to have a threesome. Remember they said, they would tell their friends, we want to have a girl and a guy. And they're like, no, that's a foursome. They would actually be in their bed drawing pictures. Like, okay, this is where the girl would be. And it was really a funny, but also very tender comedy. I would like the ones where you can tell that there's quite a bit of realism to it. The person who wrote the screenplay probably has some firsthand experience. This one was so realistic because when they both decided, okay, we're gonna have an MFF and we're gonna have an MFM. Leo and I are like, oh yay, double helix. They're gonna be like us. It was to the point of, well, who are we gonna find? Okay, friends, do we go on an app? Do we try to pick someone up in the wild? It was very realistic. There were real feelings involved. Some of them encountered jealousy. There was such realism. I give that advice to a lot of people who are like, I wanna have my first threes. I'm like, you probably should watch that one first. And probably not choose your best friend. Or let your wife choose your best friend. That's even more problematic. There was another cute little three-way one, little three-some one called Happy Ending. And that was a Dutch one. Remember, it was a Dutch couple and they wanted to find a female. And they found the female, but then... You gotta feed me more because I'm drawing a blanket. We want so many lifestyles. Well, first of all, it's Dutch subtitled. He was a tall blonde dude and he had a cute girlfriend. And they met this... Was she a waitress? She might've been, but the gist of it was that the girlfriend enjoyed the girl-girl play so much. I think she had like an orgasm with the girl. Oh, that's right. And she was like, I'm gonna give her over to the girl's house solo. To play alone. And so of course... Which personally, I wouldn't have a problem with. It's just for the record. It's just for the record. The jealousies in two. You two girls, you can go get your nails done. What if that girl could give me an orgasm and all the time you've been with me, you weren't able to make me orgasm like that. You might be jealous. It's just that you are a little... I'm gonna own 51% of all your orgasms. That's how it used to be. Now, he just lets everybody... They can just have the orgasm. I probably still own 51% of your orgasms. Probably because I don't get to play as much as I'd like to. I know. I know very much. Although Tatiana, I know she made me orgasm. She was really, really freaking hot with her mouth and her hands and oh my God. How did we get so lucky to have a hot Russian girl fall into our lap? In the San Francisco Bay scene, which she and I both agree sucks, we have a terrible lifestyle scene. She was too good to be true. She should have been fake. She should have been fake. And that you can only look to Stuart Scott. We were planning an MFM Catlandia weekend and that's what fell in our lap. And I was all for it. I'm like, let's go for it. 10 out of 10 would repeat. And 10 out of 10, I would not watch these next three movies again. Oh, we're back to movies now. We are. I'm trying to keep us on track. Okay, hit me. These three are what Hollywood think of for the swingers, right? They were heathens, we're crazy. We're lunatics, we're stalkers. Well, we are lunatics. Everybody's got a screw loose. Just admit it. You know you do. Oh, but I would not trade it for the world. This is such a fun chapter. And I can't imagine not having this part of our lives. People with screws loose, as long as they're not too loose, are a lot more fun than people with screws too tight. Okay, so there's palm swings where they're out at like that apartment complex and they go to a key party. Yeah, that was pretty boring. What's the next one? One of them dressed up in a furry costume. Okay, he ends up as a furry. So there was that whole element. It jumped the shark real early on. It was fairly unwatchable. Zebra lounge with the Baldwin brother. Oh, you talking about at the end, when he ends up in a car upside down and lights it on fire? Yeah. Crazy psycho swing couple. They were, they like moved in next door. We're gonna stalk you. Spoiler alert, the movie sucks. And then there was one more, the overnight. The overnight one. That one had so much potential when it started out. The first half of that movie is actually quite well done. It was a new couple befriends another couple in a new town. It might've been LA. Oh, let's go to our house for drinks. It turns flirty. And then it comes completely veers off the side of the road. They draw buttholes. He does art of buttholes. I kid you, Don. If it was artistically done, I would say fine, but the movie just lost the plot and the wheels fell off. But those are the three I would not recommend, but watch them to show what swinging should not be. We gotta get out of here because we gotta get Kat a passport so she can get over to Italy so she can see Italian Edward. Do you know that night that we saw him? We went back to the club the following night. Because the first words he spoke was, Would you like an ice cube in your Dixie cup? We needed memorabilia and Leo's a bit of a klepto. And he used these metal tongs at this really sad corner bar to put an ice cube in. And the next night. So here I am and Leo's like, here, here. And I'm like, what? And he's handing me these tongs to stick in my bag. And I'm like, oh my God. We stole those cheap metal ice tongs and they're in a memorabilia box. Yeah, and I can't believe we're set to see him at this point. He has both days open for us. Let's go get some more Italian Edward memorabilia. Cast a spell on me. And not only that, but we're gonna get a photo of the three of us. Yes. We'll all be holding up three fingers. Yeah. And we're gonna put that one in a bag. Three is the best number in the world. Oh, I second that. Okay, off to Europe we go. Let's do it. Let's get out of here. Bouncing about, bouncing. Sirenara, chow, bun, bun. Sirenara. We're calling to Italy. As you believed. Don't you, Belle? Get your salutations in order. We're gonna stop you at the border. How do you say, I in French? Au vois. Au vois. Voulez-vous que je vais? Voulez-vous que je vais avec moi ce soir? Do you know that means where you sleep with me tonight? Can I say that at a club? Voulez-vous que je vais avec moi ce soir? 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