Dumb Blonde Podcast: Sharon Osbourne

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That's shopify.com slash bunny. is this thing on hi babies welcome back to another episode of dumb blonde today i have a woman sitting in front of me who genuinely needs no introduction but is one of the most amazing women that i have ever had the privilege of being able to look up to and aspire to be sitting across from me Ms. Sharon Osborne. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm happy to be here. Believe me, I'm happy to be back in the world again. And I'm so happy to be here. So thank you. How are you doing? I'm doing okay. Hanging in there. That hair looks fabulous. The new haircut is like, girl, you are getting your groove back. You're looking really good. how often do you have to dye that hair? Because I used to be a redhead. It's, you know, it's a fucking nightmare. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. My neck is red. Everything I wear is the pillowcases. Oh, I believe it. It looks like a murder scene every time you shower. Yeah. It looks like somebody's cutting my throat. It's everywhere. Um, I have it done the color done every 10 days. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. So that's about what I had to do too. When I was a redhead, I loved being a redhead and I felt like the sexiest ever when I was a redhead, but the upkeep was more than blonde. I was like, fuck this. Give me some bleach. I'm going back. Have you ever been blonde? No, never. And I had blue, I'm sorry, blonde highlights in the eighties. That was as close as I got. Yeah. She was like, nope, I'm just a redhead. I think red is just your signature color too. Yeah. Well, my mother was a redhead and you know, she was Irish. So she had red hair and you know green eyes so I I got it from her of course you know it's fucking gray or white or whatever color is underneath and I tried doing that and that was just miserable no I hate it right like oh it just doesn't feel right I have a few gray hairs in the front too and I'm like bleach it I would look at my reflection sometimes like in a shop window I'd go who the fuck is that? It's me. Like, no thanks. Yeah, no, I can't do it. But you you're pulling off the red. It was just like, it's your signature color. But I came across you guys, I think it was Kelly was talking about you're very particular with your morning routine. And I was wondering to myself, what exactly is Sharon Osbourne's morning routine? well um now it's changed somewhat because i'm up all night i'm i'm a bad sleeper so i'm i'm i like rustle around all night but the morning routine is has to be the news the world news i i'm like addicted to it i'll check instagram check my emails and then i start with the ice on the face okay so we have a beauty secret oh yeah because that's how you look so flawless is the ice on the face do you put it in a bowl do you do that or I do the bowl and then I do it in you know in a little baggie and just keep doing it and then I do a face mask okay and then I start the day I love that but I have to I now I have to I'm at the age where I have to find my fucking eyes every day because you wake up and you're like, what? I'm about to get an upper bluff so I can find my eyes. Sometimes I wake up in the morning and this one's like doing its own thing. And I'm like, what is, is this 46? Like what's happening? This is it. Yeah. This is what we have to look forward to. So I heard you talk about your mom and I actually watched this, um, documentary that you did last night of discovering your family before we go any further. Do you want me to bring your microphone back so you can sit back? Oh, I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah. So I watched this documentary last night of you sitting with a historian, sitting with your niece, was it? Yes. Or your cousin niece. And you were learning about your family. And it was so inspirational to me because I don't know anything about my family, either side that I come from. And watching you sit down with this person and discover so much about your family was so enlightening. And I was like, I'm going to do that. Because you really got to learn like your grandmother Dolly was in the entertainment industry. Your grandfather was in the entertainment industry. I knew that they were in the entertainment industry, but I knew nothing. I mean, nothing else at all. Because my mother, yes, she would talk about, she was in the entertainment industry too. And she would talk about only professional, this is what we all did. This is you know where you came from but nothing else yeah and watching you get to discover that and also you didn't know who your grandfather was right because your grandmother never spoke about him so you get you got to know him through like pictures I mean they pulled up jail records oh yeah my mother and her my mother and her mother were arrested stealing um Christmas cards from a department store. And what got me was my mother was 12 years of age. And in those days, if you were 12 and you got arrested, you were immediately put in jail to a weight trial. So they got caught on a Saturday and then on, she was there all day Saturday, all day Sunday, and then Monday, she went into court and they were in separate cells. And I went to the actual building where the jail was and the jail was like as big the place was as big as this can you imagine being 12 years old and locked up away from your mother no and what got me was when she went into court she told the judge that it wasn't her mother it was her she took the blame for it took the blame for it and I never knew anything anything about any of that and I was like whoa and then I learned that generations back they were all born in workhouses and then you also learned about like I think it was you lost was it an aunt that was like 18 that died from tuberculosis like there was just so much cool stuff because I I never got into like ancestry.com until I got older. And I was like, I want to know where I come from. I want to know my family. And I feel like what you did was just really awesome. And it was weird because I thought they would have gone to my father. But him being born in Eastern Europe and being Jewish, everything during the war got destroyed. So there was nothing on anyone. So they couldn't find anything past his mother. So then they went to my mother. because my father was a Russian Jew. My mother was an Irish Catholic. So it's like, I'm a mutt. Right. Spicy one though. Yeah. That's where you get your temper from. Now that I know that dad's Russian, I knew that mom was Irish, but I didn't know that dad was a Russian Jew. So that's definitely, well, that's why he was so gangster too. Yeah. Yeah. And we're going to talk about him in a minute, but don't you think that it is so serendipitous how your entire mom's side of the family was in the entertainment center. And it has literally just continued on into your generation. I love that. It was growing up, I had an amazing childhood because it was spent on the road. The whole time I was brought up on the road. and it was like my father had a thing where he would um he would call people who weren't in the industry civilians and it was like I didn't know anybody who wasn't in the industry and we were brought up in a very weird way there were no kids parties there were no friends sleepovers it was business and it was like this is what we do and it was like I I was born with blinkers on I didn't know anything else it was just how you were raised yeah and it was like you're gonna go into the entertainment industry well I couldn't fucking sing I couldn't dance I couldn't act I was overweight and I laughed a lot so it was like they thought my father thought oh well she get, you know, we whip her enough. Some, some talent will come out and that was far off. There was nothing. But you did, you had your mind. So I, I went into the business side of the industry. And I've heard you say that you're so, you're so actually, I think it was last night. Um, by the way, uh, congratulations on the Clive Davis visionary award. That is so awesome. And I listened to your entire speech last night and it was so beautiful. You just have such a way with eloquently saying stuff, even when you're cussing. And I need to learn that because I cuss a lot too. You had said in your speech last night, you were talking about your father and what, what I've seen with your relationship with your father is you love that man so much, but at the same time, you also, I don't want to know, I don't know if the word resent is the right word or just, he just gets under your skin. It's been a very love-hate relationship with you guys. It was very much a love-hate relationship. When I was a young girl, I idolized him. I thought he was everything. And then as I got older and I started to work with him and learn the industry from him, I would see the way he would behave. There was always violence around, which I thought everybody did. Right. That was your way of life and thinking because that's all you knew. That's all I knew. And so if anybody did do what you wanted them to do, so you'd threaten them. And it was like, oh, okay, what's the big deal? Doesn't everyone? Strong armed robbery, no problem. Yeah, it's like, doesn't everyone? And then when you learn and you get older and you see how other people live And that definitely worried me. And then when I learned that my father's tactics with money was really not good, he was a thief to every artist. He was a thief. He was an incredibly good music manager. And he could read music and write it. Wow, that's a talent. And he had a great voice because he started out in the industry as a singer. okay wow and so he had a brilliant voice but he never made it for whatever reason probably because he was too busy punching people but anyway he went into he was a promoter he was a manager he was an agent then he ended up having his own record label but um it was then I learned that you know he he would fuck around on my mom all the time and I was like I thought he was like the most straight guy in the world and then when as a kid when you see it start to crumble and then as I was working for him he would go you know tax everywhere in the world and I need my freedom I'm going to put everything in your name you sign everything every mortgage every bank loan and every artist contract you sign, and it gives me freedom to go around the world without any hassle. And I'm thinking, oh, great, yeah, I'll do that. You can put that company in my name and send it bankrupt. I love that. And I was like a beard for him. And when we eventually split. Which we'll get into that too because that comes later. Yes, for sure. So the violence that was outside of the home, did you ever witness that inside the home? oh yeah I mean I can remember one time my dad was managing Gene Vincent and he was and a remarkable man and I was just a kid but he came into the house and he was drunk one day and you know God only knows how he got a gun but he had a gun and he put it to a guy who was my mother's son from her first marriage and just put it to his head and said, if you don't do this, I'm going to kill him. And it was like, oh, okay then. Yeah. Like how do you even react to that? You can't. No. And there would always be somebody else threatening my father and it was just constant. So you grew up in sort of a fight or flight mode. Yeah. It was, but again, I got to a point where it was just like, oh, all right. This is normal. Yeah. This is your way of life. That's what you do. I mean, at the end of the day, I ended up fighting people. Yes. And you're spicy. You are spicy. We're going to get into some of those stories later. But I was like, this little firecracker, like, I think it's just insane because, you know, you're such a just a tiny woman, but you have such a you're such a force to be reckoned with and such a powerhouse. I have a bad temper. It's OK. So do I. I get it. but I mean, you're also a product of your environment and how you were raised, you know, um, your mom, what was your guys's relationship like inside the home? And as you were growing up, not good. My mom loved, adored my brother and I was born at a time where it was, everybody wanted a son. And my brother was skinny, blonde, blue eyed. He had a great personality and he was a good actor and he used to get a lot of work as a kid in film and whatever and my mother adored him and I can see why I mean I have my own son I get it but I was much more to my father I was with my father and my brother was with my mother and it um it continued like that all throughout life throughout life I hate that but you got to fix that whenever you had your your own daughters I bet I did you probably became the mother that you always desired to have because you seem like an amazing mother I mean we've all watched you on tv for decades now and just how you are with your daughters is a really beautiful thing I didn't get a mom so I was like Sharon Osbourne's my mom I didn't I didn't get the mom uh card but in this life but it's okay I'll share you. Can we talk about the Houston Trio and, you know, how you discovered that also about your family, that that was that their dance group that they had your mom and her sisters. They were in a group called the Houston Trio and they were a pretty amazing act. Yeah. I mean, in vaudeville, it was vaudeville in those days. Yeah. And yeah, she was a dancer and her mother was a choreographer. And that's how, that's how it went. Yeah. That's amazing. P you know, people always assume that Ozzy brought like the chaos into your life, but like we just talked about, that was what you were so used to, um, growing up in that house with your father. So, you know, when Ozzy comes onto the scene at 18, I think you were, were you 15 or 18. You were 18 and he walks into your dad's office. You were like, red flags are my color. And you were just like instantly drawn to him. Can you take me on this first day of seeing Ozzy? I know you've told the story a lot, but I want some of my younger listeners to hear it. I was at 18. I was still acting as a receptionist for my dad, learning the management side of the industry so when people would come into the office i'd meet and greet and do the teas and i was also working the switchboard because in those days it was a switchboard and i looked like a skit out of an snl going crazy because i would have the headphones on and this fucking thing that looked like a tardis where you would plug in the calls right and it's like what you see on the cartoons. Yeah. Yeah. And that was me. And it was like when Black Sabbath came into the office and they all sat on the floor, I was kind of like shy and I would like look at them out the corner of my eye. And, um, you know, I was like this and putting through calls and do you want tea? And, you know, would you like a biscuit? And, um, they were the oddest people I'd ever seen in my life. because I was used to working with slicker, or seeing rather, people that were very slick and together, you know, and that smelled good and all of that. That bathed. Yeah, and suddenly these four guys come in, and Ozzy was just like, he had a choochy face. Even then he had a real baby face. he had really long hair and he had a piece of string with a faucet on as jewelry a a faucet okay oh like a faucet yeah a faucet okay gotcha we call them taps in england so i'm trying to be american so gotcha yeah yes and um it was in the color gold but of course it wasn't bloody gold and he had pajamas on and he walked in and he had like, we would call them Jesus sandals. They were like- Birkenstocks. And he had Jesus sandals on, which he threw off. And I'm looking at his feet. Oh, Jesus. And that was the first time I met him. And that night they were performing in London and we all went down to see them because they were looking for management so they came in to see my father and um they came out of the meeting they went in to see my dad and we went to see them perform that night and my father's bodyguard chauffeur drove them back to their hotel after the meeting with my father and also my father's day-to-day guy in the office. And my father thought, oh, you know, they're going to give him the chat and convince them that, you know, I'm the guy for them. Well, they didn't. They told them, don't sign with him. Come with us. We're young. We're eager. We think you're amazing. You know, all the chat. And that's what they did. So they ended up not going with your dad and going with somebody else. Yeah. Who worked for my father, who was his bodyguard. And my father went in. I was just about to say, I couldn't even imagine because I'm sure he saw the potential that Ozzy had. Absolutely. Absolutely. And we all did. We were all like, what is this? Yeah. This is something new. Yeah. And so I had this trauma in my life for, it was probably the first seven years that Sabbaths were together and they instantly blew up and they were, you know, touring the world. And I was touring the world by that time with a band called Electric Light Orchestra. Oh, wow. That was one of my dad's favorite bands. So I was out with them who were from the same town as Ozzy. Wow. and Sabbath. So we would pass each other at airports and all over. And I became quite friendly with them. So when they would come to LA, I'd get a phone call sometimes from the guitar player, never Ozzy, because Ozzy was married. And from the guitar player, and he'd say, I'm in town, you know, where should I go? You know, should I go to the rainbow? Where should I go? all of those things like you do and then about eight years on I get the phone call would your father take us back from management these managers have stolen all our money we've got nothing we owe tax will you help us and we did you took it your dad took them back or is this when you, I was still working for my father at the time. And, um, my father said, absolutely. Yes. And I was doing the day to day and there was terrible turmoil within the band. Every band, it's the same. Yes. Especially at that seven, eight year mark where, you know, they, you've been in a van traveling with these people and you guys just cannot get along and get on each other's nerves. Yes, exactly. And it was just at that stage. And they all decided that Ozzy was a problem. Oh, and he must go. Nobody ever wants to look inside themselves. They always want to blame everybody else. And also, I think, to be fair, when you've got a band, and before you start, they're calling for the singer. So they would always be the Ozzy chant before they would go on stage where the crowd was calling for Ozzy. And I get it. I mean, if I was a bass player or a guitar player, I'd go, what the fuck? What about me? And so I get it. They were resentful and they thought he was a problem You would think though being in a band you would be happy that you have a front man that the world loves because that means that you would have more gigs this thing this thing is in in we get it right musicians don't get it yeah they're all you know no matter what the good the bad the ugly they've all got egos they all want their moment and i understand that i totally understand it but in the most simplistic way it's like are you nuts why like be a front man don't be a drummer or don't be a guitar player that was always my thing i'm like well you know how many really really famous drummers are there right at that time in the industry you know yeah oh at that time none no and it was just like you know you you chose this this is what you do and you're hugely successful and people admire you and love you but aussie's got that thing that razzle dazzle and so it's like just go with the flow but no And I understood it all. And then we decided to keep Ozzy on. So I said, okay, I'll deal with Ozzy. My father dealt with the guys in Sabbath. And then that lasted maybe a year. And then Sabbath came and said, you've got to choose. We don't like the fact that Ozzy's here. It's him or us. I feel like all these ultimatums are kind of wild especially when they came to you guys and we're like hey save us we're over here sinking but we're gonna come back and tell you how to run your job yeah but again it's like I get it they're like kids right and musicians are super emotional and I mean yeah yes I get it and so we made the decision bye so the band got fired and you guys kept Ozzy on you kept Ozzy under you yeah but your dad was still kind of co-managing correct or yeah he was and um we were trying to move away because I knew what was going to happen and by that time you were already in love with Ozzy yeah you guys had already started and every you know at every gig I would in those days you'd get you'd get paid in cash everything was cash cash, cash. And I would bring back the big bag with the money and he'd be giving me the money. And I'm like, I got bills to pay. We've got to pay trucking. We've got to pay the road crew, got to pay the band. And we just disappeared. We literally ran away. Having your dad a strong arm you like that for your whole life. Do you think that you getting with Ozzy gave you enough strength to be able to step away from him because you trusted him so much and was like, okay, you know, I'm ready to be on my own. And I think I can do this without my father because I have Ozzy. Yeah. And I'd been, I'd been on the road with several bands around the world. I, I had, uh, at that point I was managing another singer and another guitar player a guy Glenn Hughes he used to be in Deep Purple and this great guitar player Gary Moore that was in Thin Lizzy and I put them together and they were I was trying to get that guitar player from Thin Lizzy in with Ozzy but again don't like him don't like him so that didn't work so I felt I was ready and I knew that if we stayed he just couldn't I just couldn't allow my father to do that to Ozzy he had a wife he had kids you just can't do that you know before me he had a wife and kids and it was just like you just can't and when you see the blood sweat and tears that goes into it the hard work night after night after night. You know, I know a lot of people think that it's just like a continuous party, but you know what it's like. It's like a traveling circus. And it's hard, you know, and it breaks you down emotionally. And I just said, we've got to go. And we literally went to an agent that was working with us that I trusted and I asked him to lend us some money. and he put us in um south carolina in a hotel and we were hiding wow so to to get away from your father you had to go into hiding because and then i also heard that he had like sent people to kill you and threaten you and yeah he's guys from new york would come and they'd sit on in the dressing room put their foot here and inside the boot you would see the handle of the gun sticking out and your father wants Aussie to sign this the publishing and I'm like get the fuck out and I I was just turning myself into my father I was like that was the only thing I knew what to do what am I going to do go to the police no you can't you know they would have laughed me and told me, you know, go away, crazy woman. And so we spent, oh God, probably the first three years of my kids' lives, you know, we'd get phone calls. What are you doing in LA? Get the kids out, you know, blah, blah, blah. You know, I knew it was all his people and it was terrible. That has got to be such an, uh, just, I couldn't even describe that feeling of just knowing that your father is almost hunting you. Yeah. And the more successful, the worse it got, the more successful he became obsessed. Do you think that he would have really hurt you or he was just threatening you? I don't know. Yeah. I honestly don't know. And so that split lasted for 20 years because, you know, he became obsessive and the stalking and the harassment. How do you close that gap with your dad? How do you find that forgiveness in your heart for him after putting his own daughter through something so brutal? He lost everything. He went on to manage other successful bands, but he lost it all. Wow. And I just got goosebumps. And, you know, the big houses, the cars, the staff, everything went. And he got Alzheimer's. And I got a call through a mutual friend in the industry, and they said, your father needs you, he's got nothing, he can't pay his rent, you know, all of this. And by this time, my mother had died long, long before. And he was on his own. I didn't want to do anything. And it was Ozzy. And he said, you've got to go. You've got to do the right thing. And I'm like, the right thing's to leave him. Let him burn. Yeah, really. And Ozzy insisted I did it. And I did. I got him from England, and I brought him back to L.A., and I got him nurses and set him up in a place, and that was it. Were you able to have a conversation? I know he had Alzheimer's, but were you able to have a conversation with him to where he told you at least that he was sorry or anything like that? No, you never got the sorry you deserved. No, never, never, never, never. I'm so sorry that you didn't get the sorry that you deserved. It was weird. It was, it was very weird because when he eventually passed, I'd already mourned him because when we left and ran away from him, I was mourning him. I missed him so much and I couldn't believe what he was trying to do to me so i went through years of that and having to mourn somebody while they're still alive is probably tougher than when they've already passed and then when he eventually passed i was i didn't shed a tear i'd done it i'd done it years before i was actually relieved for him because he was I mean it's the most wicked thing to have that disease it's horrendous and I was actually relieved that he was at peace well I'm proud of you for taking care of him even if you didn't want to and my parents and life I had to do the same thing I left home at 14 never met my mom till I was 36 my father was a relationship like how you and your father have And in the end, I got to take care of both of my parents and their death. And I always say that in some weird way, it's like their way of closure for us. Like, it's kind of like how the universe just gives us a little bit of closure, like that we would have never gotten before. So I try to always see the blessing and the lesson in it. So I am proud of you for stepping up and taking care of them. Because I know for from personal experience, it is not easy. No, it's not. It's not. And, you know, it was like the first time that I actually saw my father after 20 years. I walked in and he goes, oh, you're still fat. And I'm like, yeah, I am. I'm so sorry. Even though he had Alzheimer's, he could still give insults. You didn't deserve that. No. And I was just like, oh, shit. You're like, you know what? Why don't you go back? to you. I'm going to ship you back right now. Bye. So let's go back. Cause I heard you talk about Ozzy's marriage that he had before. And if you want to cut any of this out, we can. I know that he was married and I know that you guys got together while he was still married. Are you friends with his previous wife? And do you have a relationship with those kids also now? it's um very complex got you ozzy's wife was married very early she got pregnant very early and she was married and had a child to somebody before she met ozzy got you so when ozzy and her name is selma got together she had a five-year-old child and they married But Ozzy was already in Black Sabbath and they were just starting to break. And she was a student and they were young. Right. It was like one of those first love things. Exactly. Babies. The pair of them were babies. And there's this young girl who had a baby and she's a baby. And their lives just went in opposite directions. He was constantly on the road. and when he was home he was drunk and acting I can only imagine and um it fell apart it couldn't stay together they were two totally different people that had two great kids that was their connection was the kids and um we I knew her but we were so different I was a big mouthed flash kid and she was a student so I would come in a room and f and blind and you know and she would look at me like she's crazy she's crazy and I get it you're like a little mobster yourself so I could only imagine how you were back then. So we had nothing in common other than I was always respectful to her because she was Ozzy's wife and they had their children together. I'm very close with Ozzy's son. Oh, very good. And, you know, it's always the way the girls go with the moms, the guys, you know. Yeah. And we have a great relationship and adore him. And my kids adore him. I love that. I love blended families. It's a unit. Yes, I love that. We have a blended family, as you know, also. So I respect it and I love it. I've heard you say a few times that Ozzy was actually romantic. Very. Yeah, I've heard a couple of times that you say that. Can you give us a couple of examples of Ozzy's romance? He was more romantic than I was. Which I think a lot of people would have a hard time believing. Yeah. So, so romantic. He would like, when we were first together and, you know, that whole initial thing of beating someone and you fall instantly in love and, you know, that honeymoon period. You know, there's nothing like it. And he would go back to home and I'd go home. and he would give me a couple of t-shirts and say wear them so you could smell me and in the t-shirts or the pockets he'd leave little notes and it's like how can you not just fall in love with that over and when i would when we'd be away from each other and we'd come back he would always have a gift for me always that's amazing later on I'd always been a night person and so I was you know usual up all night and in the morning he would come in with breakfast for me that he'd made and there would be a note and a flower oh my goodness yes I love that people really don't realize how boys at home take note writing little love notes for your girlfriend or your wife just me i had any note that jay has ever written me i still have saved because i just think it's such a it's an art it's like a it's it's really like a lost art it is yeah it is and when he would be on the road and i wasn't there he would write me letters and post them oh i mean it's like you know how could you not love him he was so easy to love because he was, you know, everybody has this perception of what they think Ozzy was. He was just a guy that wanted to be loved. And from the Osbournes, we got a glimpse of you guys. He was such a lovable dad, such a love when he, you know, with you, he was so lovable. Like you could tell the man could not live without you. And I think that when you guys did the reality show, we actually got to see how your family dynamic worked. Can you, before the Osbournes, can you take me back to how was it balancing his career and then you coming into motherhood on your own? Cause I couldn't imagine trying to balance Ozzy Osbourne in the, you know, eighties, nineties, and then you having babies and having to like, did you have to slow down or how did that even work. Do you know what? I look back now and I go, how in God's name did I do it? When Amy was born, we had a crib put in the back of the tour bus. Wow. She's a road baby. A road baby. Absolutely. And she was literally raised on the road. And then when there's only a year between each of them. and because I lost um three before I had Amy so um they were born within a year and again it was like me they came back not to cut you off but they came back to you you lost three and then you had three yeah oh that's so beautiful sorry I didn't mean to cut you off no no no not at all and they were raised on the road so it was but it was it's hard you know because I wanted them to have roots I wanted them to have security I wanted them to have that warm home that safe place that's their home that you never got you never had a safe space I didn't know but they did and, you know, every school holiday and, you know, they were out with us on the road and we just made it work. I mean, I look back, honestly, at some of those Osborne shows and I'm like, you little shits, how dare you talk to your father like that? I mean, they were gremlins. Oh, no, there was a couple of clips that I watched last night and I was like, I don't know how Sharon didn't, you know, just freak out. But you always had so much patience. And I think what was so cool is that no matter how like Kelly was really known for kind of going off a little bit, no matter how much she would go off, you guys always responded to her with love. And I think as parents, that's one of the hardest things you can do, but also one of the most important things you can do. Because, you know, when you meet fire with fire, the only thing it does is creates a bigger fire. but you created such a safe space that your kids were able to talk to you you know and express their emotions and you didn't shut them down i would always listen aussie would always listen but they would believe me when we'd be in bed at night would go can you believe what they said to us what are we raising here i mean they were gremlins yeah i feel like jack was always so sweet right maybe we didn't get to see that the the gremlin part of him but jack was always just so sweet and like whatever floats your boat and then you know we didn't really get to see amy because she didn't want to be on the show yeah which how did she come about deciding that that she didn't want to be on the show amy has always been she was um very mature as a child very very mature and it was because of the upbringing that she had. So she knew her own mind and she said, it's not for me. I don't want to do this. I don't want to be recognized everywhere I go. I want to just have my life to me. And I thought it was an incredibly mature thing to do. Absolutely, especially during that era. It's like going to the Grammys. and I said to her we're going on Sunday and with the red carpet she goes no you know I don't do the red carpet mom I'll be there but I'm not doing the red carpet and she's still the same she just stuck to her guns yeah but I respect it yeah you did that you raised a strong woman like that so yeah which one of your children is most like you and which one of your children is most like Ozzy I think Jack is most like me and Kelly's like her dad no I mean she has the man's face like you they she is like a young Aussie when you look at her face she is literally her dad but you see Amy where you'll see her on on Sunday and Saturday yeah and she's the really the image she has his hair and she has his um there was a really quiet I know it sounds funny to say it but there was a really quiet side to Ozzy where he you know Ozzy didn't like to um mix with other bands he liked to be with just normal people he didn't care for the egos no and the fluff oh my god no and I mean there's we all know we see it every day I mean you know and especially with lead singers I mean the lead singers it's like I can remember Robert Plant years and years ago said again they came from the same part of England and Ozzy was in his house in early early 20s and he said to Ozzy what did tell me what does it feel like to be in a room with the world's greatest rock singer. And Ozzy's like, are you talking about me? Wow. And he's still probably one of the most egotistical men I've ever met in my life. And you just go, shut the fuck up. You're old, you're fat, shut up. That is so crazy because, you know, huge Led Zeppelin fan, of course. So I had a podcast with Jacoby from Papa Roach. And I had read a story where he had disrespected a festival that he played at. I think it was, was it Ozfest? I'm not positive. It was a festival that you were running. And you pulled him in the back and you read him the riot act. He said that he had never had the tiniest woman put him in place like he did when you put him in his place. And he said from that day on, he got his shit together and he wanted to thank you for that. That means a lot. That means a real lot. It does. Yeah. It does. And especially for that guy because he was wild. So for you to make that impression on him, I think that was just really beautiful. That's great. And it's like, because so many times you see these young kids with great talent and they are surrounded by yes people. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. You can behave any way you want. You've just sold so many records and you go and do it. Fuck them. And it's like, no, uh-uh, no. you know if you want to stay in this business a long time if you want to have a long career and you want people to invite you back again to work with you and you know you you have to you know it's it's so easy to lose your sense of reality when you get new fame it's so easy and i've seen it happen to so many people who were genuinely good people but they were just drunk with the fame and so they you know said things behaved in certain ways and they could never get their career back and it's sad so you always need somebody to say hey what are you doing i don't care how many records you've just sold you want to sell more in the future then shut your fucking mouth yeah and so it's people need that but but they're surrounded by yes people who were scared oh they'll they'll fire me yeah well it made an impact on jacoby's life and he will put that we'll put these clips together and i'll send it to you whenever i get it that you can hear him talk about how much he admires you and he is really thankful that you gave him that reading of the riot act because he needed it yeah i mean you know some so many of these kids that i've seen that have never made it through you know they've lost their lives and it's like fuck if only they'd have had that one person there if only they'd had a Sharon Osbourne pep talk it's like I you know even the older artists you know I look at people like Chris Cornell and it just fucking breaks you it's like if only there had been that person that one person there for him at that time you know it's just it's heartbreaking when you see these people and every day there's somebody else that we lose, you know? It's heartbreaking. But your old man will be good. Yes. Because he's got you. I listen. I love that man You know how it goes I love that man more than life and I couldn imagine life without him He pisses me off but I love that man more than anything I think if they don annoy you, you don't love them, you know? Of course. Of course. You know, like I just love him. He's the best human. And now that he's lost his weight, it's, um, did he feel good? I get a different version of him now where, you know, before I loved the big guy too, you know, but I always knew the skinny guy was under there yeah but now it's like I'm getting to watch him live his life out loud and he's falling in love with himself and I love to watch him walk by the mirror and like he'll flex his little shoulder shoulder muscle and he'll be like baby look I got a little shoulder muscle like he's just so excited and he's like a little boy and he's just running and doing everything that he could now he wants to skydive I'm like we lost all this weight do we really want to attempt death you should go with Jack Jack does it does he okay we'll have to connect them because he's trying to make me go and there's no way in fucking hell I'm going up. I was like, I'll wait for you on the ground. I'm like, I'm not doing, he's like, baby, please. I'm like, absolutely not. No fucking way. No, thank you. See, tell him I'm not allowed to go. Mom, tell him I'm not allowed to go. Stay inside the plane. No, I don't even want to go up there. No, I don't even want to go up there. No, I'm not doing it. Okay, one quick, quick, quick story. Give me all the lore, Sharon. Okay, before the bodyguard left that stole Sabbath, my father had another bodyguard chauffeur and his name was Peter Grant. Oh, wow. And he used to take my brother and I to school in the car and great guy. And he left my father and he said, I'm managing a band, I'm leaving. with Led Zeppelin. Wow. That's insane. You have, I get goosebumps just hearing this because you have so much lore that I grew up listening to these bands because my dad was a musician. So, you know, these bands were just like, I hear you speak. Weren't they amazing? It's just great. They were incredible. We're never going to have music like that again. Never. Ever. Like this was an era that, I mean, 70s, 80s, the music. It was pioneers. It was pioneers. And now everything is, You steal a bit of this and you steal a bit of that. Oh, the digitalized, don't get me on that one. How does that make you feel seeing all of this now? Because you have been in each decade and you've worked so closely in the music industry to see where it is now. How does it make you feel? Well, there still is, you know, that organic, that purity in the industry. Thank God there are not that many, but there are. and you know then you get the stuff that's manufactured like let's put a boy band together or I see this kid from Disney and you know this kid's got it let's sign her and you know we'll nurture her and she'll be the next big thing I get all of that and I get the electronic shit too and I don't mean it's shit but to me it's shit it's shit but people love it and I I respect that great love it if i was on what do you call it poppers and fucking coke and booze i'd love it too right well i feel like it detaches you from a soul you know like you're hearing the same thing repeated repeated right the same pitches the same frequency and it's just it's not it's not like when janice joplin would sing and hit seven octaves in one note goosebumps literally and you yes you hear their soul singing to you. And that is what I live for. And so when I've got this guy that's brilliant on a computer and he can do whatever and it comes out and it's great. It's not my thing personally, but I appreciate people who love it. And it's like, you know, knock yourselves out with it but for me i prefer the real thing the real thing i prefer that i want to hear their soul yes same exactly and we're just not getting that anymore no it's dying it's dying and now with ai i mean i fucking hate it it's scary hate it hate it i'm totally against it because it's it's going to destroy people it will destroy people it will I found a Christian song the other day that I absolutely fell in love with so I went to go find the band it was an AI track I was like are you it was a rock Christian song that I had never heard before and I was like who is this I go to look and it is a freaking AI band and I I kind of was just like how how could I have fallen for that you know like I I just I couldn't listen to it after that because I was just like I don't feel like this is real I feel like it's almost not right it's to me it's it's like what has happened with streaming yes where people don't want to buy a body of work anymore they'll they'll listen to a track or maybe two tracks from the album and then they're they're gone and And we would listen to somebody's body of work from beginning to end. And now everything is attention span of three seconds, three seconds. I call it the microwave era. Everybody's just ready for the next 15 seconds. And all of this about, oh, it's brilliant. We've got one trillion streams. And here's your check for $35. And you're like, yay. You're like, oh, I can't wait to be in the music industry. Really? It's like that's why touring is everything now. Yes. And you're merchandising your name and likeness. And then comes AI that will strip everybody of all of that. Yes, which is so scary. It's terrifying. Disconnected. It's disconnected. It's terrifying. You know, I see what's been going on with AI since Aussie passed, you know. and I'm like what the hell and it's like no no no you don't do that you ask first absolutely it's the wild west there are no laws yes you know you register your name your likeness and this but it's the wild west who the hell do you go to to say no right we need to put some sort of law in place There has to be. And unless the record companies, and I don't think they will because I think they love AI, I don't think they're going to stand by the artist because they don't sign your name and likeness. Right. Wow. So it's like, oh, it's not our problem. That's yours. And so I am totally against it because this is just the beginning. Can you imagine what it's going to be like in even 18 months because it moves so quickly? Yes. No, it's scary. it's i've been watching it happen for the past like two years just how it's gradually and the way they introduce it is so like passive it's not like in your face but it's like oh here's a little bit here and it's almost like they're trying to get you used to it you know if i i don't know if you're getting brainwashing that's i didn't want to say that but that's exactly how i feel like they do and then everybody wants to do it because i can make this guy look like this i can make him sing like this and oh he looks like this guy and it's like no no no you don't understand that's a human being you cannot take his face or his voice and make a film no and a silly little whatever a short a short film or whatever you're trying to do you cannot do that yeah no you can't it's it's honestly very scary I showed them a video on the way home uh from where we were at earlier and it was a woman, an older lady, like dancing, and it was an AI video. And I was just like, this is so scary. Like everybody's gonna be walking around soulless soon because there's really gonna be no human connection. No, you know, and then you've got Musk coming up with the new robots in the house that are gonna clean the rug and, you know. I might want a couple of those. I might want a couple of those. They frighten me. Did you ever watch the movie? What is it? Chappy and Johnny five. Like, give me one of the, give me a sweetheart robot like that. But if you see the ones that look like dogs, no, those are creepy. Those are creepy. Freak me. Yeah. I can't do that. No, those creep me out too, because you know, man's best friend, you want to be able to snuggle it and smell the Frito paws and all that stuff. So moving on from AI, there was a video I saw of you and Kelly and Jack talking about how how during, you know, when you would find some of Ozzy's weed, you would have Kelly shit in the bag. Or Jack. Didn't matter to me. Can you please take me on this journey of shitting in his, was it just the weed or was it any drugs that you found you would have somebody shit on them? Oh yeah, anything. I mean, I can remember even finding booze because he used to hide booze in the oven because I don't cook. So he knew I would never open the oven. And so there would be bottles in there and, you know, I would rub it in the baby's diaper. And so when he went like this, he'd go. Because what do you do? because no matter how much, you know, with addiction, no matter whatever you say to somebody, they physically can't stop. So as a younger woman, I thought, this will stop him. It smells like shit. He ain't going to drink that. And did he ever drink it? No. I mean, because Ozzy's pretty crazy. He threw up. If he would bite a head off of, you know, a dove, baby shit might not deter him, you know? No. So it's, you know, by the way, I did ask him why he did that. Because I was with him at the time. And he just goes, you know what? They don't want me here. They don't like me. Did you see the way they, did you feel the atmosphere in the room? I thought we were only in it for a minute. But that was his reaction. Do you feel like Ozzy was an empath? and that's he he picked up on people's energies and oh my god he could suss somebody out he would come in this room and he would look at everybody in here and he absolutely wow yeah absolutely i could see it on him the more like a lot of the stuff i was watching last night i could see that he which is why he was so like you're you are his person and you know the kids and stuff like that I could see that he just took on so many emotions and feelings of other people. Yeah. And I mean, he, I mean, absolutely came from nothing. I mean, no running water, no toilet inside. They had to go outside into a shed and, you know, no, they used to wipe their bums on a newspaper I mean they had nothing they used to get one bath a week and that was on a Sunday and it was a big tin bath that his mum would put in front of the fireplace and she'd fill it up with water from a kettle and Ozzy was the um six one in it wow the same water wow and there were eight of them. So there were two brothers later that got Ozzy's water, but it's like, can you imagine? And you know, he would go to school and he didn't have a school uniform. And so he'd get sent home or they'd say, you're dirty. You can't come to school. So he would get thrown out of school and just wander around the streets until it was time to go home. Where did all of his pain come from uh was it from his childhood did he have an abusive home he wasn't so much abuse as it was people who had nothing nothing factory workers after the war um england was very poor then anyway you know there was never enough food there was six kids and mom and dad in a two-bedroom house so Aussie would sleep with there were six kids in one bed with no blankets they had coats on they would sleep in a coat no blankets and it's like people don't believe it we we kind of grew up seeing movies about these things and and we know that in certain parts of the south in America people were raised like that yes and it was the same in england and you know but um he appreciated everything everything the first time he ever went and bought himself a gold watch we went home and he said i can't keep this i have to take it back i can't keep this he just didn't feel like he deserved it no and he just thought what a waste of you know what other things i could do with that money i i can't just have a watch that's made out of gold it's not for me but i changed his mind yes behind every strong man is an even stronger woman yeah can we kind of touch base on your guys's razor blade romance? Because I know that the tabloids and the headlines have had such a field day with his infidelity. I'm going through it myself because my husband had an affair for a year behind my back and admitted it on a podcast. And I don't hear the end of it. So I could only imagine how you have felt through these decades with people always asking about it. Yeah. It's, I mean, Aussie was a terrible flirt. but it was his insecurity he hated to be on his own and when i started to do things on my own and do work for myself we were parted and he hated it and he needed that ego boost constantly and when it's there if there's a piece of cake here i'm gonna eat it right i don't say i'm gonna find out where it's made and go to the factory but i'm gonna eat it right and he would you know if there's some girl there said i want to suck your dick Ozzy and he'll go sure you can yeah and then they turn up in the next town and then in the next town then they become a problem they won't go away and you know and Ozzy at one time had women all over the world. Did you guys have kind of like an ask, don't ask, don't tell policy in your marriage when it came to him touring? Cause you just didn't want to know about it. It didn't bother me because again, I saw it all over and over and over again with so many musicians. I was, you know, my father did it on my mother. Every band that I ever worked with, it would go on. So, you know, I would see marriages crumble because their infidelity is on the road and you know the whole thing and so I was like it means nothing it's only when that person windles their way in and then they become a problem and then it's emotional your partner gets frightened if I don't see them then they'll call her or they'll do this or they'll do that or if I don't get her a gift or I don't do this I know she'll do this to me and so then it becomes like an uneven trade yeah and that's when it's like no no no I mean we had terrible fights about it and it's like I I understand people's insecurities I understand their their loneliness and I understand that piece of cake there it didn't bother me until it got to the point where he was going nuts with it and then it was like I I can't do this and believe me the things that I did to him my response was not cute I mean I feel bad about the things I said to him and the things I did to him because he was doing this to me. And so it's something that I bear on my back. Because when you love someone so much and you have a life together and you can be so mean to people who you love. You hurt the ones you, what is it, you hurt the ones you love the most. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, I bear that. I don't think that's something for you to bear, though. I think Ozzy completely understands or understood where that came from, you know. You were a wonderful wife to him. He knew, he knew, but, you know, it's still something that sucks. Can I give you a hug? Yeah. and I'm all sweaty you're an amazing woman you're not so bad yourself if I could just be half the woman you are I actually had to answer this question today when they were asking me about the affair and I pretty much said the same thing you did and it's when you love somebody so much you don't know you're not saying it's okay you're not saying it's okay for them to cheat on you but you're also saying like hey i'm willing to go through hell with this person because i choose to yeah this isn't for you this isn't your life because so many people on the internet are like oh i would have left him you're a weak woman for staying and i'm just like bro you don't live in this you've never loved someone to a point where you cannot live without them yeah and it's I get that a lot, and a lot of women say that to me. Thank you. To this day, you were weak. Why didn't you just walk away? How dare he do that? And it's like you're not in my shoes. You don't. You know, I was never the sort of woman that had a million boyfriends and was dating all the time. I had a vision in my life. I wanted to have a career. Yes. I guys I would be like nah he's all right you know fucking move on I am it was never a thing in my life I felt secure on my own I didn't need to have a guy on my arm to feel like I was somebody I could walk into a room on my own right yeah and so I was not one of those women and then when you find someone that turns your life upside down and you are like oh god God, this is it. This is what they write about. And it changes everything. Everything. And only people who have been through it and feel the way that we feel can relate. And it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks. No, it doesn't. Because look at the life you guys built together and the legacy that you guys built together. Your lives are your testimony of your love. It's like, it's so easy to say, you should have left. Yeah. It's not, it's not. Did you ever want to get retaliation as far as not physical, but did you ever want to get back at him and go and date somebody else? Cause I'm sure you could have had anybody you wanted to. No. First of all, guys are afraid of me. I think it would be kind of a turn on for some of the guys. No, not at all. I was never one of those people it was like i used to hang with so many musicians and it would always be my girlfriends would go you're fucking him you're fucking him it's like you know music it's and and two a lot of women if they don't work with a lot of men don't understand that you have men friends yes i've got men friends in this industry i've had for 40 50 years doesn't mean i'm fucking them No, not at all. And so it's like now I was never like I say, I I didn't need someone on my arm to feel good. Right. I was. Bullshy and loud and it was like, I'm all right. Yeah, I love that. I love that you stood firm and just loved that man until the end and did not ever want to get any sort of revenge on him. Can you take me into the story about you guys in Japan when you broke the picture frame over his head? Because I'm having a really hard time visualizing this. Oh, yeah. She said, oh, yeah. We were in Japan and I was there with Amy. She was all of, you know, three. And Ozzy had gone out and whatever with the guys. And, you know, I knew he would come back legless and whatever, whatever. and um I put the lock and the chain on the door and they kept hearing this click click at the door and it was about four or five in the morning and so I go to the door and I open it and there's Ozzy with this little Japanese girl with hair long long hair all the way down her back and she looked at me and I looked at her and Ozzy looked at me and goes what are you doing here I'm like what do you mean we've been in Japan already two weeks and he was so faded so he forgot that his wife was in the hotel room yeah yeah yeah and so he's bringing up this beautiful little thing with him and I just went no no and there was a mirror on beside the door and I just picked it up and went bash and this little girl ran down the hallway she probably thought it was a setup at this point oh god I don't even think she could speak English to be truthful with you but an Aussie just went oh all right then and he sat there with a frame over him and I said you can sleep out there tonight too oh my goodness and how long would an argument like that last would it would not long it's not long and you just what are you gonna do you'd spend your life like being angry and no yeah it's like oh you're dumb thing yeah two weeks we've been here yeah and that's how loaded you are I love the understanding that you gave him though you gave them so much grace. And I think, I think people don't realize how far grace can go with somebody. It was, I'd always seen alcoholics and addicts in my life, but as a young woman, I didn understand what it was because I never had a problem with it I could stop anytime I wanted and I was never a druggie ever I would drink and I was the worst drinker in the world Did you have a problem with alcohol? I know, but I couldn't take a lot of it. Right, okay. So if I'd had four drinks, the next thing I'd get my tits out. And I'm like, what am I doing? Let's get the alcohol going, baby. And it's like, what am I doing? Yeah. It's insane. I was such a weak drinker. So I didn't understand that it was something that you physically cannot stop. The demon that you just cannot, that you're going to battle. You know, and then when you get into it and you educate yourself about it and all of these people that do this have a huge hole, you know, inside that they cannot fill or they're hugely insecure. They're carrying something from their childhood. and it's people did so easy to say they're a drunk oh they're an addict you know yeah and then just toss them to the side and not no I think that's so beautiful though again that goes back to the grace that you've had for him the last thing I want to talk about as far as his infidelity is a story that I you know read about his affair that he had with the hairdresser yeah and that was like your breaking point and in my book I talk about wanting to take my own life when I find find out found out about my husband having the year-long affair behind my back and I don't think any other woman who unless they've been through it knows what crushing pain that is to find out that it's not just a sexual relationship oh yeah and I did when I when I found out and then um my kids put me into treatment. And I did. I mean, it was just like... What kind of treatment? Like just a therapy? No, I was sent away to a nut house. I shouldn't say nut house because they helped immensely, immensely. But I needed treatment. you know i was i was mentally like crushed i was like um no you've been there you know it sucks no matter how long or how short it was it just sucks i love you i love you too and i am so proud of you you are one of the strongest women that women that I have ever sat across. And I know that probably doesn't mean much to you right now, but I hope one day that you just know how beautiful of a woman you are inside and out. You have raised so many of us, Sharon, and so many of us look up to you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being the woman that you are. You want one more hug? I'll give you one. Come on. hug it out and then let's move on because I don't want to talk about it anymore. No, I mean, it's like when you, and then when you realize like something so serious is taking your life, when you have children, it's the most selfish thing in the world to do. And I didn't realize that until I went into treatment and I saw girls whose mothers had done that to them and they were in there for treatment because they couldn't live they couldn't face life and then when you see that it's like fuck no suicide ain't the answer unfortunately you have it's the easy way out it is you have so much to live for and i know i have i literally held a bottle of pills in my hand and i know it was god that night that came you know that came down to me. I was just like, no, what are you doing? You have a testimony to tell, and this is your testimony to tell. You don't know how many people that this podcast is going to reach that are at that breaking point. How many broken women are out there right now that need to hear this from you, you know? So thank you for being so vulnerable and so open. I'm a crier. It's okay. I'm a crier too, but I just, I'm trying to hold it together right now. Because if I start crying, we're not stopping. The floodgates open and it's like freaking Hoover Dam over here. So let's talk about the decor that you had on the Osborne show. Because my husband and I have liked to dub ourselves. So here's the thing. We get compared to you guys all the time, which we could not even compare to a fly on the wall with you guys. That's about true. But we get called the modern day Ozzy and Sharon. And I mean, even down to our house decor, you have inspired so much because what we do is we we call it country gothic because we mix it together but your house decor literally just spawned a nation of people decorating their houses like that where did this style come from i i got a personal thing about moving houses and decorating. If I hadn't have ended up in the industry, I would have probably been a decorator. Wow. I love it. So that was all you. Amazing. It wasn't like a set design. I guess that was my question was, is that all you? No, that was our house. And I just loved decorating, mixing things together. And, you know, and Ozzy and I would always, wherever we were, we would go and bring something back from whatever country we were. Like when we first went to Russia, we couldn't believe the artwork there and the old icons that you could buy that were carved on wood. And so wherever we were in the world, we used to go and bring something back for the house. I love that. I think we'll start doing that too. Yeah, you have to because it's all memories. It's all memories, you know. and like now I pick up saying, oh, well, we were in New Zealand when we got that. And it just is, it's, you know, it becomes such a memorable thing. And it's, it's part of your life. I'm going to start doing that. I love that. You've accomplished so much in your life. And I remember I was glued to charm school whenever you guys were, she's like, I already know what's coming. I'm waiting for it. Go on. I have to ask because you know all the TikTokers want to know the tea because that clip goes viral at least once a month. Oh, yeah. Charm School, an amazing show. I only watched for you. I was obsessed. I love Brett. Brett Michaels? Oh, is he really as sweet in person as he seems? Oh, my God. He's unbelievable. He's such a great guy. A sweetheart. Big heart. I love that. That's good to hear. I've never got to meet him, but, you know, I'm sure. He's a good guy. I love that. So there was a scene where you guys were sitting down and there was a girl, I believe her name was Megan. Yeah. Who said some really obscene things about your husband. And you got up and you poured a drink on her and then you swung. I actually pulled two hair extensions out of her head. But, um, and the thing for me is it's so hard because I know TV. i've worked in it i know it and i was set up and i fell for it but it was because it was about aussie if she'd have said things about me i was like yeah yeah you're right you're right yeah come on more but it was like how dare you and she was having it off with the producer of the show and so they set her up they told her to do this because they wanted my reaction and the thing that I would always do is I don't I love women I support women and I I hated doing that because she was a young girl, but I'm like a baby, not my husband. I'm a girl's girl also, but I do believe that if you put yourself in a situation to not deserve grace, you're going to get it. We match energy. Yeah. Like there's a difference between being a girl's girl or just letting people run all over you. And you can't do that. I support women who actually deserve to be supported. Yeah. And I'm, you know, all for it. And like a lot of the reality shows now that are about women, And I hate to see them picking on each other. I hate to see it. It's like, no, support them. And if you don't like them, why are you doing the show? You know, because you don't want to work with people you don't like. So why would you put yourself in that position? I've done it a million times, walked away from things because I don't like the people. So you leave. Yeah. Not all money is good money. And not all publicity is good publicity. and saying that too the um the charm school was such a huge payday for me and i'm like fuck it i'll do it it'll be fun and um the producer was very very bright and he knew how to get me and it all came out because she sued me that was my next question yeah she sued me and it all came out in depositions and shit and And, you know, so my insurance company gave us 65 grand to go fuck off. And that was it. But I fell for the, I fell for it. I feel like back then, though, the paparazzi, the reality TV shows, all that stuff, women were not protected. Like it was a freaking heyday back then. And the men really took advantage and manipulated so much when it came to stuff like that. So, I mean. And they still do. I mean, look, the load of the reality shows, they ply you with alcohol. They encourage you to drink. They, you know, they want to get that TV gold. They want to get that, that, you know, two minute clip of you beating the shit out of somebody. And they got it. I delivered. One hell of a historical moment that doesn't go away, Sharon. I know. Do you ever see it go viral and you're just like, shit? Click, click, click. It's like, oh, please. And that dum-dum is probably twice divorced by now. I don't know. she completely fell off after charm. I know nothing about her anymore. Yeah. Where do you, I don't even know how to ask this question because we've had so many tears. So I just want to kind of be very gentle with you is now in what's happened recently with Ozzy's passing. I know that was probably one of the hardest, was the hardest thing that you've ever had to go through was watching the love of your life pass. How are you picking yourself back up? I'm getting there. I am. I'm getting there. It's hard. I couldn't imagine. Jesus is hard, but I'm getting there. I'm going to keep working and I'm going to keep doing what I do in my life. and that's it. Did he know, did you guys know that he was going to be passing whenever you guys did his last show? Is that why that show was done? Yeah. So you guys did have a warning and you knew that? Yeah. Two weeks before the show, they said he could probably die and he did. But he wanted to do it so bad. He needed it, you know, and it's like whether I die in two weeks or I die in six months, I'm still dying. And I want to go my way. And he did. You know, he went like a rock star. He did. He did go like a rock star. My heart, my husband and I's heart broke when we heard the news. And I mean, there's nothing that any of us can say to you and your family. it's um it's kind of bittersweet because again you know we knew aussie had sepsis earlier on last year my god and very few people ever walk away from that without losing a limb or their life my manager had sepsis and she lived isn't that crazy oh my god i mean god bless her because No, it was a fight, a battle. It's a nightmare. And as soon as he got sepsis, the kids and I, we knew it was time. And then when we went to England, he went into hospital for a week. And when he came out, they said, you know, Ozzy, this could kill you. And he said, I'm doing my show. And it was, I mean, he went out like a king. And you stood by him and just made sure that everything he wanted on the way out was. I mean, the thing is, when you've lived your life that way. and it was like okay six months more to to go out the way i want to go out it's like saying you know when you when you get really old and somebody's still smoking and they're like 78 years of age and you're like just let them smoke leave them alone just let them The 78, leave him alone, you know. And it's like he went the way he wanted to go. He knew. He knew. When he was in his last hours as his wife, what are you feeling? How are you getting through this? Like, I just, I couldn't imagine. It was so quick. And thank God that, and I knew when they were trying to revive him, I knew. I'm like, don't. Don't do it. Leave him. He was done. I'm so sorry. But again, you know, he went out like a rock star. He did. Ooh, did he ever. But he's not the only rock star in this relationship. No. You are a rock star. I'm just a loud mouth. He was a king. He was a king, and he was your king. And he loved people. He loved his audience. He loved them so much. and even if you didn't like his music you couldn't dislike him you know he was one of those guys like your old man my husband loves him so much and i see so many similarities in those two i know i know i've i've i've watched him speak and i'm like oh god i know i know what he's going through and guess what he married a loud mouth too I am so protective of my family and just exactly how you are. Oh, yeah. It's like you can say anything about me. Same. There was this band, this Irish band, that are very, very horribly political. And I don't like that when people bring it into festivals or music. People pay to be entertained, not lectured. Yes, music is an escape. Oh my God, is it ever. Because it's creating more chaos in the world. It's not good. It's not healthy. Rage Against the Machine was the perfect example of how to mix politics with music. And do you know what? Tom Morello is such a brilliant musician and an even better human being. I adore him. and he and I politically, you couldn't be further apart, but we never speak about it because I have so much respect for him and that's his thing. It's not my thing, it's his thing. And it's like when you get people now in this industry that will destroy relationships over what you believe politically, it's like, are you nuts? it's like hey everybody's entitled to their thing but you're not entitled to people who buy a ticket to preach to them because they've not gone there to hear your political views amen i truly believe in that and it's like you just don't do it so anyway this group then went to their next festival and on the screen it was so fabulous they had um sharon osborne is a cunt so i wrote to them and i said you've missed two words out guys sharon osborne is an old dry cunt oh and it's like you can say anything about me what what what is it going to do to me right that this you're like this insignificant who are are probably c category at best musically what band is this oh they're called kneecap okay great really never heard of them uh-huh and um it's like you can't you can't hurt me why would you come on to the scene like that with such a chip on your shoulder against one of the women against a woman who literally is rock and roll it's um because they're ignorant it's entitlement but it's they're ignorant yeah they're ignorant firstly they have no fucking idea who i am they're fucking you know from ireland ira fucking you know all of this shit god bless him if that's what you're into, hey, don't do anything to me. Go do it. God bless you. But they're ignorant and they don't know who I am. They know nothing about me, obviously. And it's like, you can't humiliate me. Just say something about my husband, I'll fucking kill you. You'll pull two hair extensions out. Oh, yeah. You can't do that. I feel like the world needs so much of your wisdom. Would you consider doing reality tv again would you consider doing a show of some sort where it's just you i would do because i'm so old i've lived such a life and met so many extraordinarily different people in my life and I'm you know a lot goes in there and I I like to judge everybody as an individual and whatever your beliefs are the way you want to go about them is your business but when it comes in to affect millions of other young people that that love you and they want to listen to you and they'll say what you say. Let them do their own thing. Let them find their own path politically. But they're here to listen to your C category music and that's it. Give it to them. But that's why I'm saying the world needs your wisdom. But I would do something political. Would you? Yeah, because I'm kind of... President? it i'm at the stage of my life where i've seen it all i know right from wrong yes i know i've seen it all and you have a just moral compass like i do and i i know how i fucked up i don't hide the things i've done and it's like i've learned because unless you learn why are we here we're never going to go to the next place if we don't learn right you come right back here and do it all over again and believe me i've learned and um there are too many young people spouting out that don't have life experience they don't have it and i do would you run for is something out here in California or would you do it in your homeland? I would have to do it in my homeland. And I've really, really seriously thought about it. Please do it. Please do it. I feel like it will, not that you don't have enough purpose, but I feel like it will be so cathartic for you and also give you a new purpose, like something to look forward to. I like to help people. And when you can see situations from both sides and you go, hey, come on, there's compromise. And that's the thing that there's so little of. There's no fucking compromise. Can you do it out here in the U.S.? Because we need it. We need that. Please. I'm scared to say my political beliefs here because I'll get shot. No, you don't have to. It's, no, believe me, it's bad in England. You can get arrested in England if you do something political or against the government and you say it online, they'll come and arrest you. Wow. They put a pregnant woman in prison for months because of what she put on her social media. Because she had an opinion. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I don't believe in that. Believe me, it's bad everywhere. Wow, that's insane. Sharon, thank you so much. Will you vote for me? Are you kidding me? Can I be like, I want to be your first lady. Can I be your first lady, please? Wouldn't that be fabulous? Oh my God. Please. I just want an excuse to dress up and look cute and just stand there and be like, what she said, what she said. I'll just be behind you clapping all the time. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. I love you I love you I love you you are a beautiful soul I feel like I've got a new best friend we are besties for the resty baby I know I can't wait to hang out this weekend at Clive's we're going to have so much fun I can't wait and anytime when you want to come back and announce your presidential race please come back and have a seat on my couch I will have you anytime and if you ever just need a friend yeah you will always have one in me and my husband bless you thank you so much Miss Sharon Osborne, everybody. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye. You ain't no dumb. Stop that shit.