Summer House: Golf Drama

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Hello everyone and welcome to Everything Iconic with me, Danny Pellegrino. Today on the podcast, we're going to be covering this week's episode of Summer House. It's episode 10 of the season. Now, the scandal happened last week. Actually, when I was recording the Summer House recap or episode last week, the news came out that Amanda and West were having this stallions. They released a joint statement and we saw the joint statement as I was at the end of recording last week's Summer House episode. So it was all breaking news, but in retrospect, it is so crazy that Amanda and West released a joint statement because I'm thinking about the mechanics of that. Did they use the Bravo PR or did they use personal PR? How did they decide to get together to do a joint statement? And then they sort of just went, I think like West finally posted maybe yesterday or something, a post on his Instagram where he was like with a friend or something acting like nothing happened, but there's like this whole scandal that's going down behind the scenes of Summer House. And it really reinvigorated the show in a lot of ways because I'm seeing so many people who had never watched Summer House. They're reaching out to me and be like, where do I start? Where do I begin? Of course, I always think you need to start from the beginning. If you can, if you have the time. But if you don't have the time, I still think you need to start from my personal opinion is like starting from the COVID season because that I think is like one of the only shows that had a good COVID season because they locked them all in that house and just started rolling tape. And that was good. Everybody was going nuts in that house. And so it was good TV. And that's I think when we had Hannah and Paige and Luke and Sierra was there. And so I think you get really get to know the players. But I would suggest starting as early as possible. I don't like this whole idea of like we're on season 10 in real time. I don't like the idea of like, oh, I'm going to start with season nine. It's like, get the fuck out. Electric chair. Absolutely not. What do you mean you're going to start with one season? You're not going to be. And then I don't even want to hear your opinion on it. Like then I don't. Then you shouldn't even be allowed to give me any sort of opinion on what's going on in Summer House if you're just starting from a season back because you don't know. We've been in the trenches with these people. We were here from the beginning when one of the twins was throwing a watermelon in the house. And if you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, then go back and watch. And yes, that season, the early seasons were kind of bad of Summer House, I believe. But I don't want to hear opinions on the whole Summer House scandal. If you just like just started tuning in this season or you went back three episodes and watched, it's like, get out of here with your hot take. We've been in the trenches. So I certainly want people to catch up if they can. And there's a lot going on. And I, a lot of people are comparing it to Scandival, which obviously it's very different than Scandival, but I do think Scandival is interesting because it's sort of a blueprint for how this thing goes. And I think I look back on Scandival and I've learned so much about how the audience responds to this kind of scandal and merch and sponsorships. People are talking about Carl and Lindsay getting together for this Uber Eats commercial. Now that, for instance, is there's a blueprint for that because when Scandival happened, then all of a sudden the Vanderpump rules cast members are getting all these sort of brand deals. They did an Uber Eats commercial where again, I just played a clip from it. Remember where they re-recorded Good as Gold? It was like Ariana, Lala and Sheena. And so some people are saying like it's inappropriate for Carl and Lindsay to get together to film an Uber Eats commercial because they're like, oh, it's a friend and there's chaos amongst their friend group. And it's not appropriate for them to be making money off of it. And I find that to be actually crazy because first of all, all these people signed up for reality TV, like this is their profession. And when you sign up for reality TV, like you're not making tons of money from the network, unfortunately, like you're making a lot of money off sponsorship deals. So we talk about that not only within the context of Bravo, but even if you go on the Bachelor these days, like they're not going on the Bachelor for the paycheck that they're getting from the Bachelor. They're going on there to build up their social media following and then make a couple hundred grand off a sponsorship for Uber Eats or whatever it is. And if there's one thing I learned from Scandival, it's that none of the people on these shows are actually friends. They like different, they're like work friends. I remember I used to work in an office job when I lived in Chicago. I worked in this office and I had this good girlfriend there and we would go get lunch every day and we were like office besties, right? And maybe once a quarter we'd go out on the town together outside of work hours, but otherwise we were close in the office. And then once I stopped working there, it's like we never spoke again. I don't even know where she is in life. I wish her well and I had the best times with her. But it's like, you know, when you have an office or a work best friend, that's different than like an actual best friend. And these people, when they say they're like best friends with each other, what they mean is like we're best friends amongst the cast, right? Like we're best friends occasionally, occasionally, I think there might be a couple of them who developed these really close relationships or maybe they had a preexisting relationship before doing the show. But for the most part, it's like they're work best friends. And so when they're doing press and when they're in interviews, it behooves them all and part of the whole gig is telling everybody in an interview like, oh, that's my best friend. Like we're best friends because that's what the show is. It's about friend groups. And so when we hear them say, oh, we're best friends, it's like, that's all them playing the game. Does that make sense? And so if we've learned anything from skin ball, it's like, remember, they were all friends and how many, how many of them were friends? Like Lala and Sheena were saying, oh, we're best friends forever. You know, and then, or Sheena and Ariana, we're best friends. You know, and then these things happen and then we come to find out they never speak again and or cameras go down on any of these shows, not just Vanderpump rules, but any of the shows. They get canceled. And then maybe they come back together. I was just seeing on the, the real house is a Dallas. This is sort of a deep cut, but the Dallas housewives, when some of them were getting fired from the show, you would see them in interviews, maybe it'd be Kerry Duber or Cameron Westcott or who are some of the other ones? I forget even Lee and Lockett. And they talk so much shit about each other and say, oh, we hate each other. We hate each other. And they never hang out, don't see each other, whatever. And then they get a gig where they come together again. So I'm noticing on the real house is a Dallas. I think they have some sort of like, I know a morning show or late night show. Or some of them Cameron, Kerry Duber and Lee, and I think they are doing some sort of panel show. And so now of a sudden they're friends again, because it's like their work friends, does that make sense? So really when the cameras stop, none of them are really, not a lot of them are friends. And so my point with the Uber Eats commercial is like, yeah, make all the money right now, because in five years, when none of you are speaking to each other, because the cameras on the show are down or you're fired off the show, you're going to look back and be like, why didn't I make a couple hundred grand from that Uber Eats commercial? You know what I'm saying? Like, and I understand there is emotions and feelings involved in a scandal like this, and so you want to be respectful of someone like Sierra or, or some of the other cast members who might be going through something because of the scandal. But I think they all go into it knowing I would imagine all of them understand the game of that. And they all should be making as much money as possible. I mean, last week on the podcast, I kept saying like Levi needs to get in the mix and it's like Levi is leaving money. I hate to focus on Levi. She's leaving money on the table. And so I'm telling her, like, girl, get in the game because you're going to be looking back on this time, say, why didn't I monetize as much as possible? Because none of these people are actually my friends. They was just cast on the show. And so Carl and Lindsay getting together, despite the fact that they broke off an engagement there, they've been in the game long enough to know, like, yeah, we need to strike while the iron's hot and make as much money from the Uber Eats people as we can. And milk those people for all it's worth. And so I think it's the, I personally think like, yeah, that's what they should be doing. All of them should be making as much money as possible. And then of course, I think like it's respectful to behind the scenes, maybe text Sierra and be like, Hey, I'm doing this. Is this okay? And I would bet my bottom dollar that she'd be like, yeah, go do it. Like, because anyone who signs up for reality knows that this is like a, and they didn't do anything to Sierra. So like they, what did Carl and Lindsay do? Like they didn't do anything to her. If anything, they're defending her honor, but like, yeah, make some money off of it too. Um, but those idiots did, you know, idiots, meaning Amanda and West, but it is shocking to me that like West and Amanda just like kind of went into hiding. You know, there were like paparazzi photos of Amanda. And then also I'm seeing like on social media, all these clips of Amanda flirting with Craig and flirting, even with West on camera. There's like moments that I think we all didn't know, or I certainly didn't notice where I'm like, wait, that was inappropriate. And I've been calling out on the podcast, like all the times that I thought Amanda was like too close with that Ben fella, who I am turning on Ben, by the way. Uh, but I always thought it was inappropriate this season, even when he was like lifting her when they had that carnival party. And then at one point they were coming back from the club and he was like lifting her over the doorway. And yeah, Kyle was right there. Uh, but Bailey called it out. And once again, I'd say justice for Bailey. Bailey was right because Bailey called it out and was like, oh, you two acting like you want to fuck or whatever. And then everyone gave Bailey a hard time. It's like actually looking back at all the footage, they, Amanda is acting that way inappropriate towards Ben. And then I'm seeing clips where she's acting inappropriate with West and with. It's like, what was going on there, girl? You need to love yourself. Girl. I mean, what is Amanda? What's her deal? I know I'm seeing all these. I'm looking at it through a different lens and I'm like, what the fuck was she doing? I would have been so pissed. I kind of get why Kyle was like pissed because. Yes, she was sort of flirting with everybody else. And then yeah, there, I saw a clip of her flirting with Craig. She like gives, I said, I don't know if it was social media or what it was like. She gives Craig a kiss on the, the cheek and Craig was with page at that time. I don't know. There's like a difference between friendshipy kind of thing, but like, I don't think it's appropriate. I don't think it's appropriate. But then anyway, let's get to this week's episode. We have, we open with New York city hubs is having her housewarming party in her new house or apartment or whatever is gorgeous. She's got a pianist, which I love the word pianist and Bailey and Dara, Dara the Xplora, they are getting into it because Bailey. She's first of all right about everything. And I just said justice for Bailey, but truly justice for Bailey, because she calls it as she sees it. And I feel like she's the only truth teller on this fucking show because she is the one who is saying, yeah, like Ben and Dara were in the room together. And last week on the show, Dara got all pissed, like, oh, I'm going to confront Bailey about that and then come to find the footage this week. They show flashback. And yeah, Dara and Ben were flirting with each other and Ben was being inappropriate and saying, like, oh yeah, do you want to go in my room, girl? Like what the fuck do you think Ben meant by that? He did his accent though. Like, do you want to water bottle, you know, go in the room for a water bottle or whatever, whatever the fuck he was saying to get her in the room. And then she was like, oh, you're trouble. You're trouble. It's like that's flirting. Okay. I might have been out of the flirting game for a while because I've been with my husband for a long time, but I know flirting when I seize it and Bailey does too. And so Bailey called it out and then Dara last week is like, oh, I'm going to confront Bailey and think, oh, we got the footage girl. Dara, I know you're new to this. That's what I've been telling you. I don't trust that Dara. I've been telling, I've been saying that. I've been saying that. And I just don't, I just don't. And people have been yelling at me too. A couple of weeks in particular. Hopefully now people will start to see the light, but I, I, I don't know. She was trying, she was coming in and swinging. And I think I'm just, maybe I'm just really defensive of Bailey. I just love my Bailey. And Bailey was right about Amanda and everybody Bailey's been right about everyone and Dara did. I understand. Like, I'm not trying to say like Dara, she was more than okay to flirt with Ben, but there is something a little, I'm looking at you a little sideways. It's like, we've seen your vibe now or flirt with Ben KJ and West. Okay. That's three of them. West remember it was like, that's how she came into this group because she said she dated West and then she was flirt with Ben and then with KJ. And I'm sorry, but three out of how many men are in this house? I mean, the only one, which she was Jesse or the only one that she didn't flirt with the only one she didn't flirt with who Jesse and Kyle, Kyle's married, which I know didn't stop Amanda from doing something sketchy. Or West, but I don't know. There's something I find that weird. What you mean to tell me, you just sort of accidentally flirted and hit it off with three of the men in this house. I don't trust it. I trust them. I don't, I want to be on Dara's side. I'm going to, I got to try to get on Dara's side a little bit because it feels like I'm being too hard on her. And obviously there's way worse people that we should be hard on on the show. We got bigger fish to fry. Okay. Then Dara the Xplora. Um, anyway, I have turned on Ben and he shows up with Sabrina, his sort of X, who looks like Dara and I've turned on him. He kind of looks like spoiled milk to me. And Jesse even thinks it's weird. And when I'm siding with Jesse, like that's an issue because Ben brings Sabrina this party and Jesse's like, Oh, it's, oh, it's weird that he all of a sudden has this girlfriend and he didn't have one before. And now he's bringing her to Lindsay's housewarming party. And I'm just wondering, did they actually not be together or were they together the whole time when he was flirting with Amanda and then he realized, you know, when Jesse's saying that as professional and I'm siding with him, it's an issue because I don't ever want to side with that, that off key crooner. I don't want to side with that great value version of Michael Buble. It's not something I'm interested in. And so when Jesse thinks it's weird, Jesse says, by the way, that he didn't know about West and Amanda, it was like news to him. And he's like, I got proof. He said on social media or something. He got proof that he didn't know about it. I don't know if I trust that. You know, you can't trust anybody on these shows, right? Like that's why they get cast on reality TV because they're a little nuts. And maybe we can't trust any of them. And so just saying, you know what it was I do trust so far, so far is Mia. I do trust Mia. She, her boyfriend, Scott shows up and she said, the boyfriend doesn't only come to the social things. He's always opened into restaurants. I'm worried about their relationship and I do think they will break up. But I like Mia so far and I feel safe with her in a way. I'm usually able to feel safer with the women. Like Bailey, I felt safe right away with Mia. I feel safe right away with like, I trust them enough to think that they won't be diabolical. Like even when I look back on Amanda, I, I feel like we all kind of had a little gut reaction. Oh, I think we all kind of had a gut feeling about her. Right. Am I wrong about that? I think we all kind of thought like, uh-oh. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about her, but Mia, I'm like, I feel her and Bailey, like I don't feel like Bailey would do anything. I hope I'm not going to regret this in, in three years. I hope I don't regret this, but I don't feel like Bailey would like do some sort of crazy scandal, like Amanda did. Um, anyway, Bailey tells Lindsay about her date with Carl and Lindsay is just, she gives the thumbs up to Bailey about Carl, but also giving the thumbs down. Does that make sense? So she's like, Bailey, go ahead with Carl. She tells me to send a sexy nude and what she really needs to do is go get like a tan line in, because isn't that what, isn't that what he likes? He likes the tan line. Wasn't that as fetish? It was something like tan lines or something. Uh, okay. So then, uh, yeah, Lindsay's, I'm happy that Lindsay and Carl had moved on. They did a Uber Eats commercial and I, I do sort of, I, I predicted this at the beginning of the season. I, I feel there is a path forward for Lindsay and Carl of them getting back together. I'm sorry. I called it as I sees it at the beginning of the season and now I'm seeing the vision even more. It's coming in even crystal clear. Uh, but then we see Amanda. Oh, there's like, obviously we're looking at everything through a different lens now after this, uh, West and Amanda situation happened, but we see Amanda saying she wants to go on a double date with Ben and Sabrina and Sierra and she calls Kyle the fifth wheel and they're doing couples therapy, which it's like, you're wasting your money. I mean, they don't need to be doing couples therapy. What they need to do is get the fuck out of that apartment, break up with each other, but they are doing in, in the time of the show, they're doing couples therapy, Kyle and Amanda, but it's so fascinating Amanda being like, Oh, how about Sierra and I go on a double date with you guys and Kyle will be the fifth wheel. I'm like, get the fuck out, Amanda. You are, uh, being devious with Sierra right now. And now you're trying to act like, Oh, you guys are going on a double date and your husband is the fifth wheel. Like, get the fuck out. How about you get the fuck out? She needs to love herself. I don't think Amanda loves herself. I don't think she does because I'm seeing it and she doesn't, she doesn't. I would, we mentioned this on the summer house episode last week. It's like, I don't really know if I know who Amanda is as a person. I've been watching her for a hundred seasons on this show and I'm still a little unclear in like, what are her personalities? And now she's going into a relationship with West. It's like, who is this person? I don't trust it. Um, anyway, they're doing couples therapy and Kyle's hopeful and it's like, whoops. Whoops. Should be so hopeful, Kyle. If I could go back in time, I'd say, Kyle, don't be hopeful about the couples therapy because you're both fucked. You know, you're, you're fucked. Carl's going to be a mess in the future and you're going to be fucked. Um, but there is, uh, we do see a, speaking of Carl, a whole montage of him with women in the house. This was actually triggering to me because Carl looks like a different human being in the early seasons. Like it's, it's literally like a different human. And I know he's been through a lot. So that's no shade or anything. He's just, when they show up montage, I'm like, who's that? And not only do I say who's that about him, but also the work as twins, which is always like a jump scare when they show up on the screen. You're like, who the fuck is that? Who's that women? Uh, two of them, because there's two. And because there were twins, they had twins on this house and double the trouble. But then, uh, he also made out with Paige and the broom closet or the pantry. Him and Lindsay were engaged. And when they show that montage, we see him say like more life. And I don't know if you've never watched early seasons. This is another reason why you got to go back and watch the early seasons. Because Carl was obsessed with that catchphrase. He was just run around. I forget how many years it was, but he was like, oh, yeah. More life. Oh, yeah. More life, dude. Uh, more life. Uh, uh, more life, more life, more life. Uh, yeah. It was like the worst. It was truly the worst. And that's why I have trouble like sort of warming because I want to get on Carl's side and I am, I ultimately, I am, you know, I said at the beginning of the season recaps that I was going to get behind Carl and get on his side. And I really do feel on his side. He feels like he's grown a lot and I'm happy for him in real time. I'm happy at him and Lindsay are friendly again, but seeing that montage, I remember him with that more life situation. It's like, that's the Carl. That's why it's been so hard for me to get on board with Carl is because there were so many episodes back in the day where it's, oh, yeah, more life. Oh, yeah. More life. I'm like, ugh. Anyway, Sabrina Benz Gal is being very aggressive to Sierra and saying how obsessed she is with Sierra and her, she's like, oh, your energy. They just met for the first time at Lindsay's party and she goes up to Sierra and she's like, oh, your energy is just the best. And I just knew that Ben told me about you and we're going to be best friends. And like, I'm going to come to the house. Well, only if you'll hang out with me the whole time. And I'm like, girl, you need to settle the fuck down. Sabrina, the teenage wish. I don't know my arch nemesis. I think that's why I'm actually just having a hard time with Sabrina because the name reminds me of my arch nemesis, Melissa, Joan, for heart or heart. Excuse me. She, the name Sabrina is a little triggering to me, which speaking of heroes and villains, uh, did you guys see, I hate to change subject, but did you see there was this TMZ report that Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey were both on the same flight? They ran into each other on the same flight. And I don't know if anyone has cell phone footage, but I need, I need it. So maybe find it for me and send it to me because I'm so pissed that I was not on that flight. I would have, I would have taken, I haven't taken my son yet on a flight. I want to take in my son on that flight. I don't care if you would have been yelling and screaming, I would have been yelling and screaming too. Uh, if I was on a flight with Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson in the year of our Lord 2026, I wish somebody would release the footage. Does the plane have footage? I don't normally think that it's appropriate for people to take a cell phone footage of people in public places, but that rule goes out the window and Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson are on a flight together in 2026. It also goes out the window when the real house is Salt Lake City, get on a flight and Meredith Marx gets to hopped up on some stray pills and a glass of Chardonnay and acts like a demon towards Brittany Bateman. That's another time that rule goes out the fucking window. Anyway, let's take a break here. And we're, I want to thank a cast and we'll come right back. I still got so many more pages and notes. So sit tight, little bear. Be right back. Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business with easy customizable themes that let you build your brand. Marketing tools that get your products out there. 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And I do just want to say this about the whole scandal that's happening with Summerhouse and how it kind of relates to scandal as well. What I've learned about the Bravo audience, and this is where this was what worries me, the Bravo audience wants perfect villains, perfect heroes, perfect victims when something like this happens, or even in the smaller fights on the show, it's like, that's, that's how the audience is trained. And so unfortunately, no one really is in real life, a perfect hero, perfect villain or perfect victim, right? We all have different layers. Uh, if you're a victim of something that doesn't mean you're not going to be, uh, villain in a smaller situation, or you're not going to be mean, or you're not going to screw up or something like that. And so when these big scandals happen, uh, and again, I know it's so different than Scandival. There's a lot of other layers to the Summerhouse one that weren't apparent in, um, Scandival. But what I did notice with Scandival is like Ariana really became the victim in Scandival and the people wanted her to be the perfect victim. And the minute that she wasn't being the perfect victim, then the whole audience starts to turn on her, turn on that person. And that's what I don't think is fair because someone like Sierra, she didn't sign, she didn't, had no active participation in West than Amanda doing this thing. Like she really was the victim in the situation. So she didn't, she wasn't asking her, or participating in what happened in the situation. And so I worry that the minute Sierra does, uh, one wrong move or something, which any human would, I don't want the audience to all of a sudden then turn on her like they did on Ariana or even the show then does. Remember on, uh, with Ariana's situation, it was like that, that season that they came back Ariana, the minute she wasn't the perfect victim, the, the cast, the edit turned on her and they tried to make her into the villain. And she didn't do anything in the situation. The situation had been done to her. And so that's what worries me because I don't want the audience. I know how the audience is like they want, even with the villains, it's like the minute, the flip side of that is you look at someone like Tom Sandoval, who was the villain of that situation or Rick Hall or whatever, Rachel. And they, uh, you know, the, the minute they do something nice, it's like then that the narrative flips on it. And so I just worry when we have these big scandals, it's like everybody wants to fit everybody into these perfect, they got to be completely 100% villainous forever or completely 100% the hero or the completely 100% the victim. And when it comes to the victim, I think it's unfair because they didn't have any active participation in like what happened to them. And so I already can like predict where the show is going to try to turn them into the villain. And I don't want that to happen with, I don't want the show or the audience to all of a sudden turn Sierra into the villain just because she's maybe not being the perfect fit. Does that make sense? I just think that's what I learned about Scandinavia. It's like no one's, no one's ever going to be, even the villain is not always going to be, they might have a couple of good qualities about them as well. Does that make sense? Like they're not always going to be just 100% the worst person ever, forever and ever. Am I making sense? I don't know. I had a lot of coffee today. Uh, where were we at the episode? Uh, we talked about Sabrina, the teenage witch. I shouldn't have called her that. I'm not saying she's a witch. I'm just saying it's, I can't read the word Sabrina without saying the teenage witch. Um, so we do see Sierra at her North Carolina house. She bought it cause it was meaningful and really that I love this scene. If she said it feels like home to her and she's redoing it. Her grandparents own a bunch of houses on the street. They were creating generational wealth. And so she wants to restore the plan for grandpa. And I thought this was just a beautiful scene and really, I don't know. I had like this, maybe it was like a, maybe a little too emotional, but I'm like, that's what life is really about. It's like none of this other crazy stuff. It's like, when it comes down to it, you're going to be with your family. And like, I don't know. It's that's what's meaningful to me. I'm a little weepy cause of the baby, but yeah, like, yeah, none of this TV stuff should matter. It's like, that's what really matters. And so it was nice to me that like, to see someone on TV. On a show like summer house and like still understanding kind of what matters in her life. I thought that was beautiful. Uh, we see Bailey on the phone with her dad and her dad says, I'm listening about how Bailey interviewed Scarlett Johansson. Did I get that right? Did I hear that right? And I need more about Bailey cause I'm obsessed. Also back in the city, KJ gets a pedicure. There's my king because, you know, you know, I feel about the straight man's feet and so KJ, I already loved him, but now he's getting a pedicure. God bless. Um, not as popular with me as Jesse singing. There's a quick little clip, a little cutaway of Jesse Solomon singing. And to that I say, enough, enough, enough. We've been through enough. We've just simply been through enough, Jesse. And if you can't read the room, I'm happy. I don't know what it's, maybe it's mean of me. I don't mean a squash or dreams. I've, we all got dreams. We all got, everybody's got a dream and, uh, ambitions and hopes and futures. And everybody's got to start somewhere. So I don't want to poo poo on Jesse's lifelong dream to be in the same rooms that Michael Bublé is singing in. Uh, but Michael Bublé is in different level. And so when I see Jesse crew, I'm saying it sounds like croaking to me more so than crew. And so I hate to, and again, I'm not saying that as someone who can sing. I can't fucking sing for the life of me. You know, I got a, I've been told I was toned deaf by a professional in college. I took a vocal lesson because I was in school for journalism and TV and film. And I remember they, one of the electives I had to either, it was like, either take a singing class or it was like something, it was like a vocal thing. You had to take like a vocal class. And, uh, I took a musical class, a singing class, and they said, absolutely not. The teacher was like, Oh, sorry, you're just toned deaf. Like you can't figure it out. And so I understand that, but Jesse, having to hear him sing, that I'm getting coffee. Like, and the song's the lyrics. I'm like, what are the fuck? These lyrics, I'm getting coffee and I love my friend. Like, what the fuck are you singing about? I'm in love with my friend and here's my coffee and I go to the summer house and I like summer and you. It's like, stop. I don't know if those are the words he's singing about, but that's like spiritually what he's singing about. Cause it's like, what the fuck are you saying? Then we cut to Mia, Amanda and Lindsay. Amanda gets an apparel spritz, which made me judge her, but she says she forgot Kyle's birthday. She woke up and demanded he walked the dogs and she's like, Oh shit, like it's his birthday. I shouldn't have demanded he walked the dogs. Like I should have, you know, figured it out. But she didn't and she, uh, unfortunately, or I don't need to break it up, but Mia had a, made a contract for a boyfriend. She, the contract is no more than 10 days apart. This cast loves the contract, uh, but both me as parents are gone. Her boyfriend going away, it's hard for her. Her mom died a year and a half ago and she said she feels untethered. It was heartbreaking to me. It was, she said, I think she said something like she doesn't, she feels like she doesn't have a village. And you know, look, my family is all, I have a very tight knit family and they're all in Ohio and sometimes it feels here, especially now with the baby. It feels like we don't have that village here. We have, of course, wonderful, great friends who come over and, uh, uh, our friends have become family, but, uh, you know, it does feel like scary sometimes when you think about that. Like I look back at my family in Ohio and like they all live a street over from each other. So if somebody needs something or you need a sitter or whatever. And anyway, so I, I feel bad. Mia saying she lost both her parents just made me sad and she's scared. She's going to be 45, no kids in a great career and she knows she wants kids. And it concerned me a little bit. She said, having a baby will heal me. And she's like, I got all this love to give. And I understood what she was saying, but I also think it's important. You got to heal yourself before maybe bringing the child into the world. But I don't know much about the fella that she's with. I mean, we saw him very briefly, but it's hard for me to understand. If that will work out, because I don't even know if I got much out of him in that quick little scene. He was at Lindsay's house. Uh, but Lindsay says it's also, she says it's healing to have a little baby girl because she doesn't talk to her mom. And now she's got, uh, it's Gemma, right? I always want to say Emma, but it's Gemma. Um, then we cut to Sierra and her mom. Sierra said she wants to raise kids with land and animals. She wants pigs. Uh, she said, Sierra's dad, this was interesting. Sierra's dad was going to be mad about the house that she bought because she had to go through all this, like she had to start an LLC. She had to get the house in like a very secretive way so that the dad wouldn't find out, which I didn't really understand that until she was explained to her mom. That was fascinating to me. Uh, but the hurt in her dad, what was it for? They haven't talked in four years. And Sierra says, uh, she was closer to her grandparents and she hopes the kids that she has one day feel that way about her parents, even though she has a complicated relationship with her parents. Yeah. So then we cut to everybody. Finally going back to the summer house. West was in Italy all week and he got wasted there. Okay. I don't know if I'm just looking at him differently, but now he looks in this is mean I'm going to be mean for a second. So everybody just buckle in because buckle in because I recognize and I apologize in advance for this, but he looks so ugly to me now. I see him and I just, I'm like, wow. Like I kind of thought he was attractive before and I see him when they showed him like in Italy drunk, it was like cell phone footage and he had a nice suit or tux on and I don't know. And so he's like dressed all nice and I still was looking at him like, oh, oh, I don't know why is he looks, is it, I guess his insides look ugly to me. And also he seems to like, now that I'm looking at all these clips, cause I feel like now on my social media, I go on tic-tac at night and it's like tic-tac pulls all these clips of West from earlier seasons and in confessionals and stuff and watch what happens live. And it's like, he always seems like so afraid to do a declarative sentence. It's like, say, I'm like, be a man and use a declarative sentence because every time he's being interviewed and something's like, uh, or even there was a clip I saw a couple of weeks ago where he's like, I really like Sierra, but I don't know how to tell her that. And it's like, you just fucking tell her you dumb shit. What do you mean? You don't know how to say, or he's like, I don't know how to say, I'm proud of Sierra. It's like, you fucking say it. That is, what do you mean? What do you mean? Or that clip of watch what happens live or Andy asks West, if him and Amanda are a thing and he like, uh, he gives like some word salad answers for everything. And like use the declarative sentence. Anyway, where are we at here? They go, okay. So they go out of the house. Lindsay texted Carl a nice thank you for the NYC baby book that he got her. I don't know why that makes me laugh. Cause he was like, so proud about that baby book. He got her. Cause remember he showed up to Lindsay's house, we're in party last week and he's like, I just want you to know, like I found this book about babies being raised in the city and I got it for Gemma. Like he was so proud of it. He was like, he got her a board book and I was happy for it. You know, it's good for kids to read. I read them as done every night. It's the best part of my day. Um, so let's see. I wonder what book it was too. Like I need it. Did anywhere, did we ever find that out? Cause I might need to get it for myself. I'm always looking for a good baby book, good board book. So let me know, let me know in the comments. I don't know where that is. You know, a lot of people have been recommending, cause I post on my Instagram stories sometimes when I read a new book to my son at night. And so people will send me comments or send me messages and say, you got to get this book or that book. And I love it. I've gotten a lot of good books that way. I don't always get a chance to respond to everybody, but I, I do look into those books. Sometimes somebody will send me one. I'll immediately go to Amazon and then I'm mean to go back to write them and say, thank you for the wreck. Uh, but yeah, I like a good, I like a good board book. Um, okay. So it was Carl's anniversary of his brother's passing and again, that was also Lindsay's birthday. And so Carl's pissed because Kyle had posted a Instagram photo of him and Lindsay saying happy birthday, but then didn't reach out to Carl saying like, I'm sorry for your loss at this time. So that's going to come up later. But in the meantime, Amanda apparently at the hub house housewarming party told Sabrina that the whole house things bends in love with Amanda. And Sabrina is like, piss, because she's like, why would you tell that to me? And it is a fucking weird thing to say for Amanda to tell Sabrina, Ben's new girlfriend. Because also it's like Sabrina's going to know, or probably also knows that Amanda and Ben were like skinny, dip in in Italy. Do you think something happened with Ben and Amanda? I hate to throw that out there, but I do sort of feel that way now. And look, we, uh, ultimately we just want the best for all of these people. And we want them to learn and grow and to love themselves. You should go and love yourself. Girl. So I hope that that's what happens with Amanda. But now I'm looking at this Ben situation. I'm like, I hope that, I hope that didn't happen because now I'm side-eye and everything. It's like, and how long was she with Ben with West? It seems to me, and I'm seeing all these clips and stuff. I'm like, it seems like maybe it was going on for a long time before it was actually revealed via a joint statement. I don't know. Um, so they all get to the house. Carl, I have to say the most relatable he's ever been to me. And this was a very small little moment, but he was eating a rice cake. And something about Carl eating a rice cake. I don't know what it was exactly, but it really, it both got me on his side. It made him feel, I think something about people eating a rice cake feels very relatable to me. And it was like more than anything else he's ever done. I'm like, Oh, I'm on Carl's side now officially because he's eating a rice cake. Something about it. Meanwhile, also at the house, there was like a shaker with some old blue cheese in it. I hate blue cheese and the idea of like blue cheese just sitting in a shaker on the counter of a kitchen. Nothing is more. All right. Nothing gives me the egg or the more, I mean, I get more of the egg from that shaker with old blue cheese than I did when I saw Jesse Solomon singing his grin and his diddy in the recording booth about a coffee or whatever. Fuck that was. I need to go back and listen to it. Not that I want to go back and listen, but I'm curious what those lyrics were that Jesse was singing because even when he's, he pops up in my social media sometimes where it's just like him walking. It's like he, he thinks he's like Sarah Bareilles or something. It's like, every clip I see of him singing, it's like a Sarah Bareilles video. And, but it's like Sarah Bareilles can sing. She's got a good voice, but you know, like that's the kind of energy that he's given in those clips where he's like walking the camera and the cameras. And he's like, Oh, I'm singing to the camera. And I swear he thinks he's like, uh, singing, I want to see you be brave. Or what's that song? Fucking song about being brave. Show me how big your brave is. I think that was a lyric or, or what was that other song spiritually? Jesse's music also gives me that, um, this is my fight song. Like it gives me that kind of energy, which I can hear that. Do you ever hear that song fight song in like the grocery store or something? I can't hear it because it just, it takes me back to like the election time. And it's like, it's too much for me. Like if I'm trying to buy a Dijon, no, at the grocery store, I do not want to hear fight song over the loud speaker because I will shed a tear in that moment. Just like in real time, hearing that song, it's like not okay for anyone to ever play it again. Okay, we can't, we just need to put a moratorium on that song and all of Jesse Solomon's music. I'm sorry. Anyway, the shaker with the old blue cheese, very triggering. And then Carl, he's ready to confront Kyle about his brother. And Kyle said he didn't post because he had laundry or something. Like West went up to tell Kyle to give him the heads up that Carl's pissed on him, which West, it's like, actually, you shouldn't be the one to give him a heads up. And if you're giving him a heads up about anything, it should be that you're fucking his wife. You know, that's the heads up you really should be giving them. And so you're giving them a heads up about Carl being mad about a post or something. It's like, you got bigger fish to be confessing about West. You hear me? You hear me? You hear me? What is wrong with that man? You're going to tell Kyle, oh, Carl's pissed at you. It's like, shut the fuck up, West. And how about you apologize to Kyle because you're fucking his wife on the side? Allegedly, we don't know exactly when it started. But obviously he had some sort of feelings for Amanda back then because I can see it now in the footage. It's all there. It's all in the footage, West. And so you're going to Kyle, I just want to give you a heads up. Carl's mad about this. Oh, get the fuck out. Give him a heads up that you're fucking his wife or you want to at this point. I don't know. I'm pissed. I'm mad as hell. I'm mad as hell. Bailey, though, they all go out to, um, oh wait, no, Carl, we got to talk about this for a second. So Carl said, if the house is on fire, fire Kyle's going to grab his DJ equipment. He's like, Kyle, I want to care about anybody else in the house. And this just reiterates my theory that none of these people are actually friends. And they probably, no one would help each other out of that fiery house. If that place burned down, if that's motherfucker burnt down, guess what? I don't think anyone, anyone would help each other out. I think they'd be all, every man for himself. Jesse would probably be running out singing. And what else would be happening? I don't think that Kyle would be grabbing his DJ equipment. I don't know. I don't think any of them would, would help each other out. I'm sorry. And Carl's mad about that, but he's like, I know how man it feels now. He does whatever the fuck he wants. And I was on Carl's side because of the rice cake. I mean, I under also understand why he was mad because Kyle said he just forgot because he was doing laundry or something, which is the worst excuse ever. Anyway, they all go golfing. Bailey's got her buggies out. And one of them was wearing heels. I forget was it Sierra? Somebody was wearing it. Jesse looked like he was going to work at the Malibu Sands and say by the bell. Like, did anyone notice his outfit? It looked like he was going to call Mr. Corosi. Do you know, do you remember those Malibu Sands episodes that say by the bell where they all were working at that thing? Ah, that's what he looked like to me. Um, let's take one more quick break here and then we're going to come back and I still have more to talk about. So yeah, I'll be right back. Tax season is one of those times where you suddenly have to face everything at once you're looking at your income, your spending, your savings, and it's overwhelming. 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And I was happy to get a new location anytime we get a new location. And this is one of like three locations they're able to film at here because we did see, and they showed flashback footage of them arguing with Luke at the batting cage. So they were, it's like one of the few places they're able to, to film in, but I wish they would get more places. Like it shouldn't just be like batting cage or that one area of the beach. Like we need some other locations for the show because it's all going to feel dusty and I think they're selling that house. So I hope that they're not going to film at that house again next year, next season. I know a lot of people are mad about like, what's going to happen next season and is this canceled? And I don't, because of the scandal that's happening, but I don't think they would cancel it. I think also the network, I think learned their lesson with Vanderpump rules and how they rebooted the whole thing. And so I know a lot of people are saying, Oh, look at what happened with Vanderpump rules, the scandal made it so that none of them would film together and then they rebooted it. But the show Vanderpump rules was doing like over a million people in ratings, in live ratings, even post scandal, that really bad season post scandal that a lot of people hated. It's like that was still the ratings were through the roof and then they rebooted it and had a completely new cast and the ratings were like lower than most every other show on Bravo network. And so I'm sure Bravo learned their lesson of like, we can't fully reboot. Even if some of them are not getting along, they're going to keep some of the cast because they've learned. And if you notice on all of the other franchises, they're bringing people back. They have Dolores on Rhode Island. Like they've learned that these shows need anchors from the past of people that we know, because every time they fully reboot it, the audience repels it. And so if you look at Vanderpump rules and summer house, the past week in the ratings went through the roof because of the scandal and it had only been a day since the scandal happened. So I'm imagining summer house ratings are going to be through the roof the rest of the season. And so they're not going to fully reboot that. I think they'd be stupid too. So they're going to figure it out. I don't think it's going to be canceled. And I said a million times on the show, but I think the other reason why they're not picking up cameras, some people keep saying like, oh, they're being respectful or, or whatever. I think the reason that they're not, and maybe they will end up picking it back up cameras, but I think it's, they have a spin off coming and the summer house finale is going to lead into the spin off. Much like the episodes of Vanderpump led into summer house or Beverly Hills led into Vanderpump rules. It's like, that's the history of the show. So they'd have to re-edit everything. And that's like a lot of timeline confusion if they pick back up. So instead they're going to save it all for the reunion. Maybe they will pick up back footage and then show some of that at the reunion. But I don't see, I feel like it would just be a clusterfuck for, you know, when they pick up on other shows, like last season, they picked up when I think Paige and what's his name? Craig broke up. They picked up and filmed the scene, but that was easier to kind of slice into the season. Did you get what I'm saying? Like this would be harder if they have a spin off coming to just all of a sudden put that in the finale when it leads into the spin off. Like it would be very difficult, I think to do. So that's at least my take. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Um, but I could be who knows what the fuck do I know? I'm a dummy. Anyway, they go to golf. Carl's kind of teaching Bailey how to swing, but it, and I know that they went on a date ish, but they don't have any chemistry. I don't believe, I don't think Bailey, him teaching her how to swing the golf club, he couldn't even like get close to her. I'm like, Carl, get in there, get in the mix. She's like, she even said, she's like, I got the puppies out. She was hopeful that Carl noticed the puppies. And then she's acting like real kind of demure and being like, oh, I don't know how to swing the club. Like she's giving like full carry Bradshaw, like, I don't know how to do this. Oh, oh, I don't know how to do this. Like very damsel in distress. Like, and we've all been there. I mean, we've all been there to kind of, to get a guy on our back, right? Like we're, it's like, that's what you do when you go to the driving range and you want someone to curl up behind you. Uh, and, and cuddle on up into your caboose. That's what you do. You act kind of like, I don't know how to swing this. I mean, if I had a nickel for every time I said, I don't know how to swing this club, even though I'm thinking in my head, I don't want to swing this club. I just want you to cuddle on up to my caboose. Uh, so she's doing that. She's given him all the signals saying like, Hey, cuddle on up to my caboose. And Carl's like 10 feet away. And he's like, Oh, you got to swing it like this. It's a Carl. She's giving you an open invitation to come on up to her caboose. She got the puppies out. Like go on up there. It's not like she's saying, she wasn't being inappropriate. She was just saying, like, come to show me how to do this. And then even when he was showing her from 10 feet away, she's like, Oh, you're doing so good. Oh, you really know how to do it or whatever. It's like, yeah, Carl, she's saying, like, come on up in here. Like, what is he not getting? Like, wake it up. Look alive. Look alive, Carl. Look alive, Radke. Then we cut to dinner. They were all eating these chicken fingers. West with that dumb ass bandana under his hat. I was busy. I'm so disgusted by him now, but I was craving the chicken fingers because it looked like the type of place that has a good chicken finger. It does. You know, you could just tell it doesn't have to be like a fancy establishment, but you could tell when somebody's got some good chicken fingers and they did. I could feel it, feel it through the screen. And I love a good chicken finger. Love a good chicken finger. Uh, but then Carl and Kyle, they get pulled aside and they talk about fighting Luke at the batting cages. Kyle apologized to Carl and it looked, it seemed like a genuine apology. He's like, I'm sorry to let you down. And Carl's like, I was just hoping to hear from my best friend. He said, you were the guy I ran to that day. And that made me, that made me understand Carl in a better way than I did earlier in the episode, because Carl's saying like, you were the one I ran to that day. I was like, Oh, Kyle really is sort of like entangled in Carl's perception of everything that happened that day. So it made me see, it made me understand Carl in a way that I didn't understand earlier in the episode. So yeah, earlier when I was saying like, I kind of felt like Kyle, I understood why he maybe didn't reach out. This is where I kind of turned and I understood Carl says they're disconnected though. And Kyle, I hate to stick up for that man again. I'm going to say it. I'm going to say something. And I know people are going to be mad at me because I'm sticking for Kyle a couple of times this episode, but I do feel like Kyle keeps telling everybody, like I'm a big mess this season. I owe literally millions of dollars to a lone shark or whatever the fuck it is. My business is failing. My marriage is falling apart. Like he keeps telling everyone that. And when you're going through stuff like that, like you kind of just expect everybody to understand and give you a little grace to be like, he's not going to be the best friend or he's not going to be the best person to me. And he keeps at least being upfront about it. So I'm not saying Kyle's obviously Kyle's fucked up and said, and done awful things and we're not here to defend that because he's a demon for those things. But at the very least, I have to say that he's being upfront. He's not like trying to hide the fact that he's a mess this season. He's trying to tell everyone like I'm a big fucking mess right now. And I'm, I don't know how to handle it. I'm not handling my emotions. So he's at least telling everyone, like giving them the heads up about it. But he says something like Lindsay would have been pissed if I didn't post a birthday thing and Carl's like staring at him like, uh, okay, well, that's like a birthday post and I'm talking about my brother. And it's like, Kyle doesn't get that. And I was like, Kyle, don't be such a fucking dummy. But Kyle says that Carl never invites him anywhere. And Carl bites his tongue and sort of shuts down and he wanted to tell Kyle like, fuck you. But Carl says, Kyle has no one in the house and Carl kind of just like accepted Kyle's apology. But he really wanted to like let Kyle have it more. So obviously this relationship dynamic is going to blow up and we've seen in the previews for, I don't know if it's next week or later this season where Carl and Kyle getting into blows, but it seems like they're good in real time. I think I saw something. Where did I see an interview or something? It seems like Carl and Kyle are good in real life, but it's going to come to a blows. Then we have Ben confronting Amanda. And let's see, Amanda sort of acts like a dummy. She acts dumb about like Ben's like, why did you tell Sierra? Or Sabrina, whatever. And Amanda's like, oh, I didn't know. And then next week on the show, we get Amanda versus Sabrina. We get Carl versus Kyle. And Carl says something in the preview for next week, like, oh, I wish I had Coke cause I'd tell him how it is. Or if I had Coke in me, I'd tell him how it is. And then we see West floating with another gal in front of Sierra. Electric chair, electric chair, West, such a fucking idiot. Can't even do a declarative sentence. Now you're flirting with somebody else in front of Sierra, not to mention your Amanda or doing that was sketchy stuff. Summer should be fun. That's the one thing when it comes to future seasons, summer house, I think that's the one issue that the next season is going to have. It's like, we do need summer to be fun. We want the drama too, but we need the cast to be wanting to have fun with each other. So I think that's going to be real, the real chick trick for next season is figuring out a cast that can come together and still they could, cause I think the network is going to want to lean into the drama and the scandal, but they're going to have to figure out a cast because yeah, Sierra might not want to film with any of these people. And I understand that. And I get that. But then the audience, we're going to want it. We want Sierra. So we want to see, they're going to have to figure this out. We're going to have to watch what happens live and go to profit TV.com for more information, as always. By the way, like some, um, an outlet reached out about like a quote about this, um, summer house scandal. And I think it was, it was glamor. They did an article about it, but I, and they didn't use this quote, but I did say and, uh, they had asked me some questions and I did say, ultimately that everybody in the audience is just going to have to go to Bravo TV.com for more information and watch what happens live. And like, I was really hoping they would print that and they didn't. I was so pissed because I thought there would have been so, so funny to like, end the serious article about the summer house scandal where it just said, like a quote for me that said, go to Bravo TV.com for more information. Everything's so stupid. Everything's so dumb. I mean, let's, you know, everything's so dumb. And at least these shows in a sick way, it is a good distraction from everything going on because the world's a mess. And so at least we have our stories and probably it's got a lot of stories going on right now. We got the Rhode Island gals or deliver in two episodes in a Rhode Island. And it's like, I love them. And I'm like, where have they been all my life? Where's Rhode Island been all my life? And then Atlanta too, did you guys watch the Atlanta premiere? I thought Kay Michelle was so good at watching her and Charles Barkley at the table, just having a good time together. I was like, that's what I need. And Angela Oakley is like my, one of my favorite housewives now. I love Angela Oakley. And I just feel, I really feel like Atlanta's figured out the cast. They obviously had all that situation with Kenya and Brit last season, where it was kind of a mess, but I feel like this season, Atlanta's going to be good. I at least really, that was, I feel the premiere was really promising of Atlanta. Um, and then Beverly Hills is wrapping up. Thank God they're going to have to figure out their cast the next season. I hope it's one of the casting directors, got a whiteboard and some, some names listed because we're going to have to figure something out for them. And, oh, in Southern hospitality, you guys, I, I'm loving Southern. They're okay. So this is going to be, I'm not spoiling anything, but this week. So the episode that airs this week of Southern hospitality, I did get a chance to watch this week's episode of Southern hospitality. Again, I'm not saying any spoilers. So, you know, this isn't going to get me in trouble, but the one thing I will say is like watching this week's episode of Southern hospitality, it felt so like watching my friends in their 20, like it felt like I was. Watching a genuine group of friends. Like it felt so relatable to me. They're all on obviously this cast trip where they're at, was a lake or a cabin or whatever. And just seeing, it felt like such a genuine friend group and I had the best time hanging out with them. There's like good drama. I know this week, if you haven't watched Southern hospitality, like maybe tune in and try it because the last couple of episodes on this cast trip, I just thought we're like such a perfect mix of drama, comedy, genuine friends and connections in a way that some of the other shows don't always feel like. And I just thought it was great TV. And I think it's continuing to be a great season of Southern hospitality. And so if you're looking for that energy of like early Vanderpumper rules, I think it gives it. But I don't know. I've been trying to tell people to watch it and I guess some people don't believe me and I get, I understand. But I try to always be honest. If I'm not liking to show you guys, like I said with Beverly Hills, I am not someone who's going to get on the microphone and say, oh, this is a good season. If I think it's a shit season. So I hope that everyone understands when I say Southern hospitality is good this season, I mean it. Right. 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