Conquer Your Karma

Hi there, I'm KTown and on this edition of Mysterious Radio. Alright, thank you for joining me tonight for another edition of Mysterious Radio. I'm your host KTown and tonight my special guest is Tracy Dunblazer and she's here to discuss her book called Conquer Your Chromatic Relationships, heal your spiritual trauma to open your heart and restore your soul. This is the Demon Slayer's handbook number 3 and it is available right now on paperback and also Kindle on Amazon. In this book, Tracy explains to you what karma is and you learn all the ways to reveal except forgive and transform your connections in every dimension, not only to your soulmate beloveds and romantic entanglements, but how you relate to food, money, family, culture, religion, sex, death and your environment. Tracy is going to help you unearth the very core of what drives you, showing you how to direct its power into usable life giving resources for you and all your relations. So we start off by asking Tracy to tell us a little bit about herself and then why she decided to write the book about karma. Okay, well I'm a spiritual empath and I'm also a certified grief counselor but I really got into doing specifically grief counseling because of the amount of grief and spiritual trauma that I was born with. I was born what I call as a multispirate. So I had multispirated. I had many and not only multiple incarnations that I carried imprint of like the spiritual knowledge of those imprints but I also carried other spirits with me that I believe have traveled down with me for hundreds of years but all at a similar vibration and it was my goal in this lifetime to reconcile all of that, to find a way to heal myself, my heart, my spirit, my mind and do it in a way. One of the things that when there are people like me and there's a lot of us on the planet who are ultra sensitive but also have a deeply, we have a lot of cultural trauma in our world and that's one of the lines of karma that's coming up for all of us to heal and the way we must do that is to deal with it within ourselves first. And that created, that was the birth of the Demon Slayer's Handbook series. Each book I deal with different elements. The first book deals with the spiritual essence, like all the different types of spirits that there are and how we interact with them in this world, all the multiple dimensions. The second one is really focused more on past lives and healing your past lives and then conquering your karmic relationships is really about how that translates into our everyday living world. And my goal was not to upset people's own dogma or their own belief systems but to give them additional things to expand how they think of or how they experience the life that they have. Okay, so you call it multispirated. I haven't, you know, I've never heard the term before. So how did you figure out that you are carrying other spirits with you? Well, because I had those feelings, those experiences, those reactions. I had that viewpoint and that viewpoint did not match the culture that I was born in. It didn't match my parents or my relationship to them. I had dreams. My nighttime was really intense and I had a lot of, I also call, you know, I was demonically challenged because I literally brought a lot of bad spirits with me in order to overcome them. And so I didn't do a lot of sleeping as a child. And you know, if I had been born in any other situation and any other relationship, familiarly, I would have been called mentally ill. I was very functional during the day but really struggled at night to manage all of the energy that was going on. And so like I had three or four different spirits with me and that really gave me all several different lenses to look at the things that I was experiencing in life and the things that I was attracted to and the elements of life that were attracted to me. Okay, very interesting there. Okay, so let's first of all, let's just start with karma itself. What is karma and what does it mean to you? Okay. So karma is originally, it's a Sanskrit word that literally translates to mean action or the larger concept of action and reaction. However, it's kind of become a cultural buzzword that we use, especially here in the West, that means punishment and reward. And it's not punishment and reward. Karma is literally the multiple vibrations or patterns that we carry with us into this life that then create again what's attracted to us and what we're attracted to. So karma is the patterns that create the foundation of our viewpoint. And at any time we can do the work to change our viewpoint, our belief systems. Everybody starts out with their own truth and that eventually will give way to the spiritual truth, the one truth that we all connect with that is truthful for all of us. Right? But everybody will have their relationship in that. So karma is about understanding what drives you originally and then working with that in the ways that it supports you and then changing it in the ways that it doesn't support you. Okay, so I have to come back and ask you about, let me just ask you now before I forget this. You said something that was interesting there. You said karma is what is attracted to us. Is that because of the actions, our everyday actions or interactions with everything? Is that what you mean? Well, it's more like actually at a certain point, yes. But so let's say I've had multiple different lives living in different cultures. I've lived in ancient China. I was a shaman in ancient, I was an Anu, which is an ancient, they originally, the tribe was actually where the concept of shamanism was created, but it was several thousand years ago. I also lived as an Egyptian several years ago and then I made several mining thousands a year ago. And then I also lived as an African slave here in America. And then I also had ancestors from those lines of energy that also were with me. So those were the perspectives that I carried when I then came into this life and witnessed it. I see. Okay. So not to confuse people, these are some of your past lives that you're talking about. That is correct. All right. That is correct. So I am as Caucasian as you get in this lifetime. And I grew up in New Mexico, which was in itself very multicultural. Interestingly enough, I was always a little disfuddled around my white people. I didn't see myself as them. I didn't see them how they saw me. And when, you know, there's racism in my family. And when I had to confront that, even as a very young child, it was devastating to me because I didn't, I was devastated. They were talking against me, but they didn't know that. Did that make sense to you? Yes. Yes. I understand. You were talking against who you were previously and the person that you were in your previous life. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. That is correct. But as a six year old, I didn't see it as it's who I was. It was literally still who I was, even though I also had a spiritual awareness of other cultural elements that I carried. So like, I think that, you know, when we really, as we, as human beings begin to really break down who we are in quotation marks, you know, we really have to break down all the different elements of what feels at home to us. And that was not what I was born into. I eventually in my life sought it out and it saw, sought me out. And that was the thing that helped me deep, more on a deeper level understand. But I lived, I lived well into my twenties without being able to communicate to you what was going on with me. I just knew that there were multiple parts of me that I honored all of them. I see. I see. Very interesting there. Yeah, it was intense. Okay. So let's talk about spiritual trauma because you mentioned that as far as something that you have been through yourself. So in what ways do people feel or experience spiritual trauma? Okay. So spiritual trauma can be so like right now what we are calling a calling for social justice. Is the karma from not only slavery in our country, but any kind of diminishment of human beings, any kind of separation or illusion of superiority, right? There was karma that is created by a group of people who want to say, you know, I'm better than they are. There's a karma that there's an action and then it creates a reaction. And the reaction that is created is ultimately the knowledge that that's not true, right? And that today is what we are calling our call for social justice. And those who have in life not had a voice are getting a voice. And those who in life have diminished other people's voices are understanding what it's like to not be heard and to be marginalized. So earlier you mentioned talking about what's going on on the planet. And this is what we call a, it's literally a global crisis, but it's 25,000 years in the making. And one of them is about human conflict and really getting down to ultimately the karma of our own personal internal conflict with our self and our shadow, like the things in ourselves that we feel ashamed of or disappointed in or we are grieving, right? All of those things are now coming up to become obvious to us and so that we can process them by grieving what we no longer want, letting it go and creating a new path. So everyone experiences cultural trauma or spiritual trauma in their own way. It can go from, like I said, karmic spiritual trauma that again, we're calling cultural trauma in this case, but it also can be someone who's experienced in this lifetime and like in one lifetime they've experienced being abused in some way. That abuse leaves a spiritual imprint that even, you know, once you've grieved your loss, processed the pain, found that part of you that can raise up in courage to face that which hurt you and then find peace and move on. Like that's kind of the process that a person would go through to reconcile their own spiritual trauma. But spirit literally just means not physical. If that makes sense. Yeah, it does. It does. Very good. Thank you for explaining that to us. Okay, so now let's talk about spiritual patterns and then, you know what? No, let's not go there yet. I want to talk about the karma again because I'm really interested to know if you think that there is a such thing as cleansing karma because I've heard that before from other people that talk about spirituality, but is there a such thing from your perspective, a way to cleanse your karma? It is. It's to deal with it. Basically, unless if we took the word karma and we said karma equals patterns and habits, karma equals patterns equals habits. So what you do to heal your habits is to change them and replace them with other habits that work better or include more people or include everyone. So yes, right now everybody is working to cleanse their karma and there is this illusion that there's old souls and there's new souls. But in fact, we are all old souls all coming back to be here at this time to level up, you know, deal with, grieve, and then find a new way to integrate with one another to be the most inclusive we can with one another that's possible, right? To find harmony to be inclusive as opposed to exclusive. And that starts with each individual with themselves. I see. Now, how important is you talk about mindfulness and I really think that, you know, speaking for myself, I'm really, really trying to be more mindful and I do practice doing that by kind of unplugging from everything because I feel now things are, we're so inundated with everything our phones and electronics and just it's ridiculous that, you know, I feel like I'm missing the little things that I know that I loved about my childhood and I don't want my son to miss out on those things. But you talk about that in your book, how important mindfulness is to karma. So can you talk about that a little bit? Absolutely. Mindfulness and if your listeners aren't, I mean, everybody uses the term mindfulness, but mindfulness meditation is literally the process of even as you're multitasking, as you live, like as you're walking, as you're breathing, as you're, that you are aware of the energy, emotion and thoughts that raise up in your mind, in your heart and you acknowledge them without indulging them. Right? So if you, if you feel, if you, all of a sudden you feel a little sad that you let that sadness come up and you let your eyes well up and then you let it continue to move through you. Right? You don't, you don't take it and hold on to it, but you just recognize, oh, I'm feeling this and this is what's triggering that feeling and that's okay. And you let it, you let it keep moving. Right? It's the practice of recognizing that there is a beginning, middle and end of a continual motion to our energy and the more at peace we become with being mindful of ourself, our world being present, the more we can accept ourselves, which puts us in the strongest position to be the most present in any given situation to, at the low end, protect ourselves if necessary, or at the high end to love and have compassion for ourselves and others. Mindfulness will bring us all to that. You know, I had, I had, it was very much a product of what we're all living through right now. I was having a conversation with one of my neighbors the other day and after like two minutes of trying to have a face to face, we were about 10 feet apart, but we were having a face to face conversation. I felt my eyes darting everywhere. Like I, I did not want to be face to face in connection. Like it was difficult, not that I didn't want to, but I couldn't. Like I was looking for my television or looking for my book or looking for something around me to connect with in addition to trying to listen to her. And I was like, wow, okay, that's not good. You know, it was really hard, it was really hard for me to, to connect on a real level. So and that's, and I know that a lot of people are having that experience. So how do you suggest people overcome that by A, recognizing it, B, not judging yourself for it and C, creating a practice to do it different. So for me, I need to start having one-on-one conversations, you know, once a day, I'll start out for two minutes and move it to five minutes and hopefully make it to 10 minutes without doing any multitasking. I literally have to retrain my brain because my brain is used to doing 10 things at one time. So like right now, I'm talking to you, but I've got this, I've got this picture on the television that's moving because that's soothing to me. No, it's just awful, but that's, that's just how it is, you know? So you just have to literally accept that that's what it is, whether or not you like it and then start a practice to change it and be honest with yourself. The first thing that, one of the things I talk about in the book is like, don't expect yourself to just change overnight. You didn't create the habit overnight and you're not going to change it overnight. So don't be mad at yourself, just start the practice. If what you can do is a minute of mindfulness, great, that's amazing. So then start with two minutes and then three minutes and then four minutes. And if what you can do is only once a week, then do it once a week. That's a goal that you can follow through with because even if it's a small goal and you follow through with it, that is infinitely better than setting even a bigger goal but not following through. Yeah, yeah. I totally get it. It's not easy for me either. My mind goes a mile a minute and I can't slow it down. I don't know what it is like. You know, my other half will be looking at me and then, you know, say, listen, I need you to really look at me and, you know, get our contact with me and focus on what I'm saying because apparently I'm looking all over the place, you know, and I try not to do that. I just can't help it though. I don't know why I do that. Well, you do that because you are a multi-passing person and you understand too that one of the things that's happening right now is that people are, the energy on the planet is different. All of what we're seeing as conflict and upheaval is literally cleansing some of these denser spirit. It is opening people up to a level of grief that we on a societal level have never processed. I mean, we process it in things like 9-11. That processed globally, an enormous amount of grief, right? But there are different events that happen that actually everybody processes similarly, but this is like happening every single day, all the time, everywhere you look. And that does something to the brain. The brain literally changes. When we create a new habit, a new set of chemistry, if I can make say that's not the right way to say that, but a new set of chemicals tell you how to respond is created in your brain. And so you have to know A, that you're empowered to change that. And the only thing that's going to change it is practice. Doing something new to transform the old pattern into the new pattern. I get it. I get it. For you, knowing that it's hard to look into somebody's eyes for any length of time, start practicing that literally a one minute practice every morning, good morning, and stare at each other for a minute. Okay. And then done and then keep going. And then the next week, do two minutes or five minutes or whatever. But it's worth the commitment, whatever you can do to begin the process because it's going to bring up in you what needs to be grounded. It also might bring up emotion that's there that oftentimes when we scatter ourselves, it's because we don't want to feel the impact of what we're really feeling or what the people around us are feeling because we are, that's the other thing is that everyone is becoming, everyone who is capable of feeling empathy is opening up on a whole new level of empathy and knowledge of other people's experiences. So that's happening. Whether or not they like it. You know, you don't get a choice. Your choice is that you chose to be here now and you can either embrace that and be accountable for it or you can fall victim to it and suffer. Yeah. I totally get it. I like what you said. You know, sometimes we feel scattered and I do feel scattered sometimes just thinking about so many things at one time and I have to calm my mind and be mindful of it and try to give people my full attention and get eye contact because that is a little hard for me and I don't know why. I didn't know it really tracing until someone else brought it to my attention. You know, like why are you looking all over the place and you just, I don't know why, but I am going to be conscious of it and try to practice doing that. I have a little trick that you might employ to help you do that. It's something that we call brain heart harmonizing or heart brain harmonizing. And you literally, if you take a minute and you close your eyes, take a deep breath and you literally see all that brain energy when your eyes are darting all over the place, close them and bring that energy into your heart and to the center of your chest. Literally see it as a pink light of energy and then bring it down into your heart and then exhale and then open your eyes again and you will be much more grounded and you'll be more connected to your heart center, which allows the brain to relax. Understand this is a good point. The heart actually can take in much more information and metabolize it energetically than the brain can. Really? Because the brain, yeah, because the brain has to break things down chemically to send the messages to the neural circuits and then they communicate that. If you take an energy through your heart, you take the entire download of the experience and then your brain eventually has a deeper understanding of how to communicate that. But our brains are really to help us communicate. They're not to feel. They're to communicate what we feel through the heart. So if you bring the energy to your heart, you'll be a lot more focused. For a longer period of time. And the more you practice that, it'll help you be present for great lengths of time. Well, thank you for that because I want to be more present for myself and for the people that I'm interacting with. You know, I just I need to be. Thank you for that. Yeah, I'm going to put that into practice. Tracy, I am. I am. All right. Now your book is wonderful, really, because you talk about many other ways that karma can affect or many other areas of our life that karma plays a really huge role in our experiences. And one area you talk about is the karma of dignity and respect. So can you talk about that? Yeah, when we respond in a dignified manner and dignified means that we have a sense of calm and peace and integrated emotionally. When we feel integrated, when we all parts of ourselves come to an agreement in our heart, it allows us to have the most compassion for ourselves and others. And it allows us to see the truth of what's happening and not to be mean about it or to be an asshole about it or to be prideful about it, but to acknowledge it as it exists and then do what is for the highest good of everyone, which is to possibly set a boundary if someone is being, if they're acting out of a lack of knowledge or acting out of an ignorance, if they're acting out of anger, you don't match them in anger. You go, OK, I see. Go work that out and then we can have a conversation when you're ready. That's respecting me and that's respecting you. But not allowing yourself to go to where somebody else else out but require them to be where you're at. I totally get that is well put. I mean, I couldn't have said it better. That was beautiful. Thank you. Really? Listen, let me just say this one thing. I worked in customer service, OK, many years ago for US Cellular. And I'll tell you what, I don't know how there. It was very difficult for the company to hang on to people because we have to deal with customers that are so rude, so rude that people just quit. And, you know, you have to you can't match their energy. You just can't. You won't get anything done. And so I learned that. I learned that there. It's just, you know, I mean, I've always just been even when people are not so kind to me. I really try to ignore it. But that's, you know, that's easier said than done. But really, you can't match their energy because nothing gets done. But what you said, though, it is just a beautiful way you put that. You was like, yeah, OK, I see you work that out. And then when you come back, we can talk about it. Well, here's the thing. You used a really powerful word that I want to point out. You said, you know, I used to want to ignore it. And the truth is, is you can't ignore it. If somebody is being a raging jerk, you can't ignore that. You can feel their pain because please understand that when there is anger, there is grief underneath. And they are overcoming their grief by being angry, but they're not processing their grief. They're just sitting in the side for a minute. And so when you can recognize, wow, you to be this mad or to be this hellish to me means you must be in pain. So go with your creator, whoever that is to you and work that shit out. Because I think you're terrific. And I can't wait to talk to you another time. You know, but you have to acknowledge it. You can't. That's what we're living in today is people have ignored. They have ignored our systemic racism so much so that they don't acknowledge the way in which it exists. And that's like everybody has done that. Many people, not everybody, but the majority. And so now we all have to acknowledge things that are there, not feel bad. So bring up the customer service. You can imagine that, you know, even 10 years ago as an empath, when I feel a lot and I'm in my world and I'm trying to get things done and trying to focus to get things done. And I'm and it's not going the way I want it to. And then I have to deal with customer service. I have not been beyond, you know, unleashing my rage and then crying at the end of it. Right. I've put a few people through a few things today. Like even, you know, even now, if I find myself getting upset, I'm like, Hey, hi, what's your name? Hi, hi, Sally. Thank you so much. I just want to say I'm really angry right now, but I'm not angry at you. And I'm not taking it. This is not about you. I'm really frustrated in the situation. And I'm really trying to manage myself in it. So if you could bear with me just so I can get out, you know, get, communicate to you what the problem is. But I always start out with that, like, look, I'm not going to right now, I'm so mad that I can't overcome that. But I just want you to know it's not about you and I value you. And if you could help me, you know, communicate to you what I need, that would be great. And then we can go from there. And usually by the time I've said that, I'm calm. Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, it's about being honest with where you're at and then going from there and being honest, not only with yourself, but with whom you're dealing. Very good. Very well said. OK, so another thing I found very good just that you put this in your book. And I'm wondering why you did, why you felt it was so important to talk about it. You put in here, you actually talk about the karma of corporations and big money profiting at the expense of others. So can you elaborate on that? Why did you feel that that was important to put in your book as well? Well, you know, how could it not? How could it not be in the book? Here's the thing. We're right now in a battle with the illusion of what we call the top one percent. And these are the innovators and creators of our planet that have enormous amounts of money. And the old illusion of, you know, that they give money to foundations and then it trickles down to everyone else. The only thing that they really have is a sense of entitlement and confidence. And they. Have created the karma of this illusion that not everyone can have that. That you have to be from a certain background or from a certain culture or from a certain dot, dot, dot, right? In order to have the confidence to create a business that's going to create that kind of welfare and cash. And that is unequivocally not truthful. It is not the spiritual truth. We all have the ability to do that if we will become single minded in it, in the ways that some of these big corporations have. And understand that it's a deep thing as an empath. I have had to put myself into the sociopathic mind of people in power. And it is not pretty. It is not. It is no. It's not pretty there. It is not. There's this illusion that it's a better life and it is not better because no matter how sick of a human being you are, the more money you have, the sicker you get. Because your problems just get bigger and bigger and bigger and your ability to handle them diminishes in the same way that it would if you had a smaller lot. If that makes you know what I'm saying? So yes, there's a great divide or the illusion of a great divide in humanity, and that is only created by how we feel we are in division with our own creator. If we believe we are separate from our own creator. The other point that I think I really bring up in the book is this illusion of giving your power to someone else. You know, saying that the government will sustain me. You know, regardless of what your politics are, I'm deeply liberal, but at the same time, you know, everybody has to learn to be accountable. And the government or other programs can give you a leg up. They can offer you an opportunity, but you have to desire to take that opportunity and expand it to the point at which you become autonomous. And each individual has that opportunity. If you'll make it between you and your highest rather than you and the guy next door, you and the creator, or you and the guy you think is going to give you a job, right? If you if you can take the middleman out of it and go just you to your highest self, whatever that is for you. The opportunities, the universe is going to support that in a way that you can't even fathom. When you're in the mindset of trying to get a job. And it's deep and in our country, it's ingrained deeply this socioeconomic caste system that has been created for us. I want to be, of course, all on some level spiritually. We were here and we created. But the truth is, right now, we are all living on what our ancestors have created, and it's not our fault, but it is our problem. And it is our ability and responsibility to resolve it. I see very good. Now, the last thing I want to talk about, you know, is there, you know, I've had psychic mediums talk about. I had one in particular. I think it was Teresa St. Francis talk about karma specifically in relation to suicide, but you do it as well. So can you tell us more about your perspective from that? Because you don't have any psychic abilities or you're not a psychic medium or anything like that. Are you? I am. Oh, wow. That's exactly what I am. So I call myself a spiritual empath because I feel like it incorporates everything. But I definitely am clairvoyant, clairaudient, claircentient. Wow. I didn't know that. I'm sorry, Teresa. I didn't know. No, no. Well, you know what? No, I'm not mad at you because here's the thing. Sometimes when people think of you as psychic in quotation marks, and, you know, I'm putting up the fingers. If people think I'm psychic, it totally changes. It becomes adversarial. And I'm not trying to be anybody's adversary or trying to get you to believe the way I believe. I want you to hear what I'm saying and for you to apply or consider what I'm saying and apply it to yourself and see what matches and what doesn't. That's all. OK. So so that's that's where I'm at with that. And, you know, suicide, I've worked with many victims of suicide, whether they are the ones that are left behind or they are the ones that have killed themselves. And then once they get on the other side, they're confused because it wasn't what they meant to do. It wasn't really what they wanted to do. They didn't really fully think it through. And then they end up out of body and they're like, what the hell? What happened here? What's going on? I didn't mean this. And I don't talk about it in Conquer Your Karmic Relationships. I think I talk about it in Master Your Inner World, which is the first book of this series. But I had a very a guy just get emotional every time I want to talk about because I had a very deep love, karmic love. His name was Andrew. And no matter what, like our relationship could only be at a certain level. But we were we were deeply good friends for many years, but for three years in particular. And then he he really started into drugs. But intermittently as he got into drugs, he started shooting heroin and eight balls and doing all of this stuff. This is a New York City and he would smoke. He was a cutter. He also cut himself, but he would he was a heavy smoker. And he had in his room. I don't know if you know New York City, but sometimes the apartments are like the size of your palm. And he had this itty bitty apartment and this big, huge, fifty gallon clear hefty bag of all of the cigarette packs. He had smoked. And it was the first time I'd met him and gone to his house. And I was like, whoa, like, what is this thing in this house? It like it took over the energy of the whole house. And he said he wanted to remind himself what he was doing to himself. And I'm like, wow, that's deep. So, you know, jump forward many years later, almost a decade later, we'd always kind of stayed in contact. But one day spirit made me run into him. I said spirit, but we ran into each other and it was not a coincidence. And I ended up going to his house later that night after I'd finished my I was waitressing at the time and I went to his house and he said, oh, I'm so glad you're here. Do you have any money I need to go? And I just want to tell you that I really I think I've done it this time. I you know how I always sabotage myself. I think I've really done it. And I said, what what happened to Andrew? And he says, I'm sorry. And you know what? Don't don't worry about me. And as I looked at him, the house was already kind of dark, but there was this darkness that was around him. At such a level that it kind of pushed me back on onto the bed in his room. And he was outside of his room looking in and I'm like, you talk to me. And he's like, no, no, no, I'll talk to you another time. And and from that point, he was never heard from again. And at the time he had a girlfriend who got got in touch with me a day or two later because she knew that we were he and I were going to be connecting. And she thought with the police to find his body, I believe he was murdered. They thought at the time it was a suicide. But, you know, it was kind of kind of he continually put himself in a position to end up in that way. And that was always him, like all the things that brought him there, that was his karma and it was his pattern and no one was going to break it. But what we were going to do in this, you know, coming to the end of the story is that from that point after he died, they finally two or three months later found his body and we had a memorial for him. And then about nine years later to the day, I had a I had a dream where he came to me and he was lost. And I didn't know what that mean. I was living here in LA and so I went to my mentor and said, I don't I'm not sure exactly what's going on here. And she's like, oh, he's ready to he's ready to be delivered now. It took him nine years being discarnate in his neighborhood where he lived. He died in the East River, right? But he ended up back where he lived and he was ready now to transition. He's ready to cross over. He was ready to cross over. And I was like, wow, OK, and I was called to see him before he left. So I could understand the vibration so that I could be called to help him be delivered when it was his time to ascend, if you will. And when you talk about suicide, the people who experience suicide, the ones that complete a suicide, who kill themselves. Die from suicide. There's a lot of ways. You know, there's a lot of controversy about how we say it. But the most plain way to say it is somebody who dies of suicide are usually in such a dark place that they're not necessarily in their hurtful mind. They don't see any way out. There is no way to move forward out of where they're at. And it's usually for such a short period of time that something comes up and they end their life. And in my personal experience, I call them the suicide demons, but there are spiritual entities out there that all they want to do is create chaos for you and your mind. And the longer they can keep you in that chaos, the more opportunity there is for you to make a mistake and kill yourself. So having said that, some religions believe that it's a sin to die of suicide. And I mean, it is. I mean, in that, that's not a judgment. Meaning anybody who dies abruptly and unknowingly is usually going to stay in that middle place in between worlds for a period of time before they can gain understanding as to what happened and to move themselves through the grief that was not processed. If that makes it clear. Yeah. So when someone dies like in an accident or something like that and it comes quick, they may stay in that, you know, you call it in between world before they actually cross over for a little bit before they realize, you know, what happened and come to terms with it and things like that. Absolutely. Yes. And that's not everybody. Some people are very, some people have. So when we talk about destiny, this is kind of another conversation that comes up in destiny is, you know, is someone who kills them? Is it destiny for them or or the way we die? Is it destined? And it's not always destined. Sometimes it is. So sometimes people will come in with a very deliberate plan for their life and they'll execute it and then they'll be done. And then they can go however that is. I had an experience when the the last day that I carried what I call the burden, which was all of these spirits on me that weren't, you know, they were living, they were living with me and they needed to go back to where they could be free. And when that finally lifted from me, I had a dream and what really seemed to be a council, but it was all of my guide. And they said to me, you know, wonderful, you've done great. You've done what you came here to do and you can go now. And I'm like, oh, OK, huh. I was so relieved and excited that I could go. And then I and I woke up the next day going, huh, but do I but will I but do I want to? And at some point I and I hadn't I hadn't written the books yet, which was interesting. I always thought that I was indebted to write the books. But in fact, I could only write the books if I wasn't indebted. That was a shock to me. Right. I decided I was like, oh, what would I say to myself, Tracy, what would you do if you stayed since you can go? And that's great because I my heart my heart was ready to give out, frankly. And when I said, OK, well, what would I do? I guess I'd write the books that I've always talked about writing so I could start there. OK, great. And maybe about a week later, I had this spiritual experience. I was running and I had this profound, enormous pain energy in my heart and it moved to my right shoulder and then it left my body. And I believe that that was the heart attack that was wanting to happen. Like there was an energy that would have if I had decided to go, it would have caused a heart attack and I would have gone. But since I decided not to, it left. I see. And I literally after there was such a physical trauma from that that it took me almost a week to actually be able to reuse my right arm. I had to literally use my brain to retrain, lifting my arm, using my hand. It was a very interesting experience. But after the fact, I came to the understanding that that that was the energy that if I had decided to go, would have taken me out. But since I decided to stay and do other things, it left me. And then I had to retrain my ability to function in the world without burden. I see. I see. Now, OK, let's get back to because I want to give you time to answer this because I don't think you answered it fully. But what does that mean? Like if someone commits suicide, then when they reincarnate, is there karma, something that is, I guess, people would think that, OK, so in their next life, it might be something, you know, that they have to go back and deal with again, you know, maybe the same situation and learn how to overcome that. But what are your thoughts on that? Yeah. So like one of the examples that I use in the book was very good friend of mine, her son killed himself. And after the fact, I had multiple conversations with him. And he, you know, he began to come into come into her dreams and have conversations with her. But they'd had a bit of a conflicted life together. He had always been he was one of the first groups of people who was treated for ADHD and given medications from a very, very young age, which, as it turned out, was not not really the way to go. But that sense of shame that he had about his mental capacity and his mental balance and then his ability to communicate it, his ability to manage it, and then eventually to master it becomes his karma. And in his case, this was a situation where he killed himself because he'd had a fight with a girlfriend and just he just did it and then woke up out of a body and said, Oh, that's not what I meant to do. You know, and so he will stay in the in between until he has the information that he feels he needs in order to move forward and should an aspect of his spirit incarnate again, it will take with it. It will attract to it the things that are going to help him to be accountable for himself and his energy to set boundaries with people and to learn to communicate in a different way that doesn't inspire conflict or maybe to, you know, in this case, I think that he he used to immediately go from zero to anger in a very short period of time. And so to learn to master those emotions to really get to the heart of what it is that he's feeling and to communicate it, right? That's the karma. And so again, people want to see suicide as a religious thing. And it and that's just not helpful, frankly. You know, I mean, if that's your bag, then do that. But there's a deeper understanding that we as human beings, as spiritual beings, we are spiritual first, and then we are physical. And we are always trying to find peace and balance. And to bring the light, the light that we descend from to bring it into our physical world through. We're like a better way to say it, raising our vibration. So I did that answer your question a little better. Yes, it does. It does. OK, good. Thank you for that. Well, Tracy, this has been an amazing conversation. I want you to take a moment to tell my listeners where they can find out more information about you or anything else you're working on. Yes, ma'am. So you can get conquer your comic relationships anywhere where books are sold, Amazon, Barnes and Noble. Please support your independent stores by growing. And if they don't have it in stock, have them get it in stock. You can reach me. The other thing that I want to talk about is I do have a special that's only for Christmas. I only have 250 pieces of it. It's called the Demon Slayer's Handbook Series Box Set. And that you can get for me. It comes with all three of the books in the series. And you can get to me at BeA Slayer.com. That's where you can go to order that. It's not available in stores. It's only available at B-E-S-L-A-Y-E-R.com. And the other thing is you I'd love it if people go to TracyDunblaser.com or tune in with me at Tracy Dunblaser Spiritual Empath on Facebook. Every Friday I do a chat, a Facebook live chat where this week I'm going to be talking about what happens when you ask a question. Because when we ask a question spiritually, that puts us in a specific position. And I'm going to really talk about that. But it's an opportunity that if you have questions or want to get to know me better, you can tune in. They're usually anywhere from 20 to 30 minutes on Facebook live at 12 p.m. Pacific. And those are all the places that you can find me. Awesome. Please reach out. I want to hear what people think. Yeah, I will make sure I have the links in the show notes for you. 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