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Welcome back to Two Judgy Girls. This is Mary from the Bay. And it's Courtney from LA. And it feels like there's a lot of stuff that happened within these past few days that you need to fill me. And we have a lot of summer house press. We have Salt Lake City stuff. We've got housewives, left, right center. Tell me things. Okay, so Lindsay and Wes were on Jimmy Fallon last night. I just can't believe that summer house gets to do their promotion on Jimmy Fallon. I mean, Hannah and Paige have been on it before. But this feels really huge. Yeah, I was going to say NBC Universal. I wonder if they're really pushing the umbrella of all of their partnerships right now. Lindsay and Wes, I didn't even know that they were on Jimmy Fallon. That's awesome. That feels huge. I'm like so excited for them. Big, big stuff. I'm curious if he talked about sale gate because I think that's a peacock property. Obviously, the Super Bowl is this weekend, which is going to be on NBC. So Kyle made a speech last night. They kind of had a summer house premiere party. And he said in the speech like, and to Amanda, thanks for joining me on this journey through all the ups and downs you stood by my side. And I'm forever grateful to have shared so many memories. This season is more bitter than sweet for us. But I'm confident we'll both find happiness. Whatever that looks like. And yes, I'll still help you with your taxes. It's like, it's obvious. Again, I know we'll talk about Bronwyn too, but it's like, Bronwyn obviously came on the show to get a divorce. And yet she could wave her papers in front of my face. The divorce papers. I said, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But yesterday, Bronwyn, breaking news, she's dating this model, branding good, who literally did play girl and has lue on the cover with him, which I just, what a small world like housewives, but he's very good friends with Christian Cereano. They seem to be very cute. They went, you had said that she had gone to Whitney's opening night and she brought him. They look like fascinistas together. I'm so excited. He's very hot six pack. I mean, him and Todd side by side, no comparison. But I don't think she married Todd for his looks. Sure. But Courtney, not believing that they are separated. All right, let me give you my cynicism here. Okay. Here's why I find it weird if you're dating someone for a quote, a quote, a few weeks that you're making a people announcement about it. That feels like a pay for play of a PR team doing some work. She was also in Paris for Paris Fashion Week. And she had shot some like Instagram content and like posted it. And it was 100% Todd's arm in the photos. I don't know what her situation is. And I hope she's happy with whatever situation she's in. Just to me is like a few weeks. This is the hill that Courtney is going to die. Like I said, you could throw divorced papers that say Todd and Brahman are officially divorced. And I'd say, is it notarized? I mean, I love someone that has a stance and sticks with it. Talk about convection. You know that I know it's a ridiculous stance and like it's unbelievable. And something's wrong up here. But at the same time, I like, get the cool. You know what? Keep going with it. I like it. I wanted to go back to Kyle and Amanda. Was he wearing his ring in that speech? I didn't notice via video. Okay. Because as we mentioned, he was wearing it during the press. I am so curious because we also got an in the city teaser promo. And it's just Kyle, Lindsay and Amanda. Obviously, it's supposed to be what their life is like in the next phase after summer house. And I'm sure everybody thought it would be marriage kids settling down. And now it's going to be the split, how they're living their lives and like what's next as single people. And she was on watch what happens live. Andy asked, you know, when did you move out? And she looks at here and I was like, I don't know October, November. She didn't happen to know the exact date, which seems wild. What's our story for in the city? It seems strange. And then he was like, well, before Bravo Con, and she does say before Bravo Con, she had heard at Bravo Con, she was already moved out. Maybe she had signed a lease in October, but didn't move in till November 1. Maybe, maybe. I also feel like the city promotion, we didn't even need that yet. I don't know why they put that out. Like, we're still enjoying summer house. We just got started. I think it was a little too early to premature for you. Yes. It's just like we know it's coming. And yeah, with this is day one of summer house, you know what it is though? What? I think for it's not for us. I think it's for people that summer house is now, as you said, they're on Jimmy Fallon. The show is gaining really big popularity, especially when you're like, wait, one of the couples is split and they're in the show together. I think it's gaining new fandom. And I think it's saying, hey guys, we know that the separation has happened. In the city is going to without telling you guys, let you know that we're handling the we're handling the separation on that on that show. For the normies, not for the obsessive people like that. Like people who casually view and not the ones that watch it three times just to get every single detail and make sure. And then forget to talk about those details on their podcast, but they still have watched it three times once at 1.25x speed twice regularly and then comb the internet for any clues that they can get. That's not us per se. This is for the normies. Yeah, got it. Check that. Check that. I also saw on Du Moir. They said, don't be surprised if you see Jesse Solomon and former bachelor at Jen Tran together soon. I am trying not to trust anything these days because the super bowl is on Sunday. And I'm like, is it a partnership? But the cynicism in me gets gets to me. Is there an ulterior motive here? Is this a partnership or we think in their dating? I don't know any. This is the first time hearing about this. So right now, you know, my thoughts on Du Moir. I don't trust them all the time. No, sure. And we shouldn't. They're right. But perhaps I appreciate that they live in the same place. Yeah, I mean, who knows. I don't, she was on Dancing with the Stars and dated her partner Sasha for a while. And then she moved. I believe to go to nursing school, PA school, something like that. And so she's doing that right now. And now that you have a newfound appreciation for Jesse and his body, do you want to see him settle down or do you want to see him kind of live the life? I feel like if he's looking for love and open to it, go for it. Settle down. You know, live your best life. Okay. Yeah. All right. There you go. I'm just, you know, because now you are the man connoisseur of summer house. We will be looking for you for breaking news for any of these men. Okay. Let's talk the reunion seating, thoughts, concerns. This feels like it went the way I thought I would. What about you? I mean, I thought when we talked to Shep and he told us that he was in New York, that he didn't say it was for the reunion. Now I feel dumb. Yeah. We feel very dumb. Okay. But that's fine. This makes sense to me. I mean, Madison could have sat lower. I think she's there for because she's longevity. So we'll go from bottom to the other bottom. So left side at the very bottom. We've got Rod Rico. Then we have Charlie. Then we have Venita, Madison, Craig, Andy. That feels right. I mean, of course, it was going to be Craig next to Andy. And then an opposite of that having Austin next to Andy because it's going to be like team Austin or team Craig. I would have changed it. But let me go with the other side. I'll tell you my changes. Next to Andy, Austin, Sally, Shep, Molly, Whitner. I would have switched Madison, Sally, and Shep Craig Shep. Then I would have done Austin, Madison, Sally. Interesting point because, well, but Madison has been getting along with Craig. She could be on both sides, for sure. I don't think they do the couches anymore. This is one team. This is the other team. It just isn't as clear anymore. Probably would have put Charlie closer to Craig unless there's some fallout that happens. Maybe switch Venita and Charlie. Yeah, other than that, I'm surprised that Shep is in that third seat, even though he didn't do too much. But I feel like he could be an ally for Craig right now. It's very interesting that he is in the third seat. But I mean, sorry, Sally, her back hurts. She's carrying the season, babe. You're right. I think Madison is too high up there. I think she's so team Austin. I don't think she's going to save Craig at this reunion. For me, I agree. The Shep Madison switch. Everyone else is fine. Yeah. Anyways, I mean, it's exciting. It also means the season's coming to an end. It happens so quickly. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's take a break and come back and talk the episode. Wrong tool for the job. Don't make that mistake with your van. Get up to 30% off, selected new Toyota vans and pickups with a warranty up to 10 years or 100,000 miles with every qualifying routine service. Visit your nearest Toyota Center, Jemker N Field or visit Toyota.co.uk forward slash van savings for more details. Savings on selected vans and pickups ordered by the 31st of March, 2026, UK residents, see Toyota.co.uk for full details, TZC's apply. The year is 1888. In France, Vincent Van Gogh spots a part of sunflowers and thinks soccer and blur may look nice. While in Bolton, England, Henry Warburton carries his new wipe over the threshold, consumed by passion beyond dress, only to change into aprons to bake the next day's loads. Talk about a one-track mind. Warburton's toasting 150 years. I feel like a little ice-enished. Thank you. I was hoping we were going to open up back at the dinner. I thought we even got it to be continued. Am I wrong? Didn't like the way that it just moved on. It's like the Audrey situation we didn't get to see either, you know? And then this week, we really didn't get to see the break up. And it's like we know more went down at that dinner. There's no way that they just yelled at each other and then said, bye. Did they get dessert? Who paid the check? These are all questions that we need answers to. Chef, who we had on our pod yesterday, he said that was a crazy dinner, but we didn't finish it. I thought we were going to, I didn't ask more questions because I assumed we were going to get more answers. I know. I know. And Chef, he compares it to a break up. Him and Wittner, are they debrief the Craig birthday dinner on their run? Also, Chef running makes me laugh. I know he goes to the gym and I think he loves sweets, but I was shocked to see him run. Wittner being like, I'll go at your pace. And then Wittner also being like, by the way, though, none of this drama can happen at it. You grasp farms this weekend because Mama will be upset. And I think we figured out what the problem is with Wittner. And that would be the Mama's boy. At one point, he also said mother. Yes. I was like, Norman baits to me. I would be running mother. The property is gorgeous. Amazing. I mean, it felt like a chateau in France for the way that that pool, the different colleges. I don't know what I was expecting. When you try to look for it on Apple Maps, it does not pop up. And I was thinking, is that because it's actually just a home and not a location? And they named it themselves because the grass was actually itchy, which is funny. We were wondering why it was named that problem solve. We got an answer to that one. Another mystery solved. Whitney is debriefing with Patricia and Patricia is like, that must stash has to go. It's disgusting. Then she later released that you're not too old for a spanking. Those two must get drunk together almost every night. They are having the teenies. Randy is DJing for them in the background. And they're like, Randy, play the tunes and it's just old jazz in the background and their cheers and their teenies with a twist. They got a little vesper going like add a little more lemon to the next one. Randy, mother, Whitney probably calls her mother. Maybe it's a southern thing. Maybe, maybe, but he's telling his mom, I mean, I don't know. I think Austin has had it with Craig. This could be the final moments between those two. Everyone's making it super dramatic. It was. Yes. But then I feel like when they saw each other at the pool, it was like no big deal. Well, Vanita did call that out. Like Austin will probably be like, Hey, bro, what's up to me? And I know you think that Craig is what on Bravo? He is the biggest gas lighter on Bravo TV. For me, I think Austin is actually in a bad place. I think he's just in a sad place of what things are going on with his life. I think Craig said the quiet part out loud to him at that dinner. I mean, the fact that the first person he calls his Madison, I think that is weird, by the way. You know, Austin girl, girl, I think Madison for him is the one that got away. And he sees this life and it's it's like a sliding doors, you know, like that going to palter movie, like that could have been me with Madison in a different life. They were so tumultuous though. It was crazy. Yeah, like, on the city levels were insane. But I think in an alternate reality, maybe without this show, that would have been his life. Also very interesting. He did not film the breakup. I mean, Audrey's not a part of the show, but did he though? Because did it happen at the table? We're unclear when this happened. Because, okay, this is what I was trying to figure out too. Okay, so we have the white party. Then it's Austin's birthday. Is he calling Madison the next day after the birthday? How much time is in between this dinner and this phone call? Are they broken up from the white party? Did they did they get in a fight that night? And then he just broke up with her at that point. And then the dinner they were actually broken up, but they hadn't talked about like he hadn't told anybody yet. He had only told Madison. It felt like to me this phone call was like the day after the birthday when everybody's going for a run. And then the weekend at itchy grass was like one or two days later. I'd agree with that. And did he break up with Audrey over the phone? Well, I'm thinking maybe after the white party. Yeah, that fight happened in person. And when she left, he said, let's go our separate ways. We didn't get answers on that. It's like, we, you can't give us a detail in a car ride 20 minutes into the episode. And then we learn nothing else. It was very strange. I mean, I guess the whole point is we didn't break up because we weren't not compatible and that type of thing. It's just like, I wasn't going to lead her on anymore because I didn't want to marry her. There's nothing wrong with her. There's something wrong with me. And I'd also like to hook up with Sally. We got an answer to that too because I was worried about Mexico. Was he cheating on Audrey? He wasn't. But I wanted to talk about this phone call, though, because him calling Madison to complain about Craig, but then we learn he's also told her about the breakup. But we don't see that in the phone call. We see it in a flashback. Him pouring himself a glass of wine to sit down with his cats. It was Oyster Bay. It's the Sauvignon Blanc. It's a good, you know, weekday wine. Oh, like a 4 p.m. It's almost five. It's not a weekend wine. You know, it's a weekday. A recommendation for a weekend wine. That's your rambour. Well, this is a Sauvignon Blanc. Oyster Bay is a Sauvignon Blanc. It's probably like a $13 price point. I like cloudy bay better. And that's more expensive, probably $30. That's the weekend wine, you know, when you can spend a little bit more. When you have time to taste, well, there's only two days, you know, because it's the weekend. Okay. So he's telling Madison. He's like, you were the one person I wanted to call. Now, when he wanted to bitch about Craig, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. He called Madison. You guys have your girl time and you're just gabbing with the girls. But knowing that he also called her to tell her about the breakup and she was the one he wanted to call, I'm telling you, slide indoors. We were misled. You know, a lot of misdirection is happening in this season for us. We're not getting answers. We're not getting questions. We need the details. What is happening down south? I don't know. I kind of decided this week. Okay. Don't think Charlie is the reality TV. I think she's a lovely gal. It just feels like she's not the fit. She's not she's not giving me what Sally's giving me to be fair. This is like Sally's third reality show. Okay. She's had time. She's put in the time. You've talked about how these scenes are so funny, how they like lead to the next one, right? And she's with popcorn, the chicken, and then Madison's eating popcorn, right? We're watching Sally be pissed. She's got these stupid chickens, right? Her dogs are trying to eat them. And she's like, you know what, Kevin and Boots go crazy at this point. I don't care about these chickens lives. Sally has bought the chickens for Craig. Craig has bought art for Charlie. And Charlie's coming over. I think Charlie is put in such a bad predicament here. She kind of reminds me of Chelsea a little bit in that personality. And I love Chelsea on the show. But Charlie is in such a predicament here because Sally is her best friend, but she really kind of likes Craig. And she's in that situation where she has to decide, okay, do I do respect, respect my friend and be a girls girl? Or do I pursue this guy who I have chemistry with? And they, you can't call dibs, Sally. I will say Charlie and Craig are adorable together. I think you're so right. He bought the painting to get more time with Charlie. Does he even like the painting? How much was the painting? Craig had wanted a painting of like tigers or pandas. So abstract art for him. He can say, this tells a story. And then he'll say, but what story do you see? And then because he's a storyteller, he'll take your story, expand on it. And then the next person he meets, he'll tell that story. And then he'll ask that person, but what story do you see? And I'll start to take some bits and pieces. And so that painting is a little bit of everyone who's ever entered his home. The story is about a girl who bought chickens for me. And I bought a painting because I liked someone as well. And then story continues. I know what I mean. So what is he going to buy next for the next girl that he likes? The painting will tell us. I think they're cute. And I kind of bummed because I think Sally is real rhoding this relationship completely. And it's if I can't have him, you can't have him. I also love to know how much of best friends they are. I don't think they're best friends. I think Sally might use that term loosely. Yeah, so let's go into the hair spa then because yeah, she's been best friends with Charlie, Vanita, and Molly. The continuity of the hair spa is so strange when you watch it because one minute, their hair's wet. The next minute, it's dry. I want one of these scalp massages. So badly, there is nothing better than someone brushing your hair for you or putting their fingers through like a full scalp massage. Like take me to heaven. There's so many of them around. We saw, you know, they did on Beverly Hills with Erica last season. I remember I think maybe in Sutton. But these things are so just like in-transing, like watching him. The fact that they have to have a conversation while this is happening, I said, you guys are at work. They literally made it into a porn. The way that it was edited, it was like a porn. I didn't see that, but I was focused on the massage and the music they were doing. It was like bouching about while. It could have gone one of two ways. They were hoping it went a different way. I also think it's funny too because they talk about their relationship of how Molly and Sally met and they worked at Republic together. And so it made me think of the chef interview that we had where chef was talking about the trajectory of the show and kind of keeping it younger. And at the time I didn't think about it, but I'm like, that really is Southern hospitality. That was what was coming to my mind. But I guess Southern hospitality is even younger and more of the Vanderpump rules. Sure. But I think it's funny that Sally both worked there. And Sally was only on Southern hospitality the season before last season of summer or Southern term. It is very much like these lines are crossed because I think it's also such a small town too that a lot of them probably are in this hospitality arena. And then they're kind of mixing the characters across the board. Molly saying, I don't know if Sally really wants to be my friend. I have a feeling it's because she's on the outs with Venita and Charlie. So she just wants to get on my good side. But I'm open to it. I mean, she's not wrong. I have an astute observation. And then I thought it was very interesting. And Sally was like, you know what's happening? Venita wants to pin us against each other. That whole vagina thing really came from her. And I just am sad by Venita's edit because I keep on thinking about how Sierra brought up how Craig was trying to basically not film with her to get her off the cast. And this just kind of feels icky. I've always loved Venita. She has weirded me out this season I would say. But I'm rooting for her. I think with Venita is for her. And you know, she talked a little bit about her trauma before with like her relationships. She can't figure out that the energy she gives to a friendship isn't going to be what she gets back. And at the end of the day, Sally is for Sally. I think actually if Venita wants a really good friend in this cast is Molly is the girl for her. What they don't have here. And they had in the earlier seasons with like Cam Chelsea and even Naomi that is the girl's girl alliance. Yes. And so you had that kind of invander pump rules, right? You had Stasi, Katie, Chris and whatever. But then even now is Ariana, Katie and Dana. Like they're all still friends. And so when you had this girl's girl alliance, you could be together. But if someone's defecting because they want to be with the guys, it makes it really tough to have this backup. I just worry that Venita will not be back next season. It also makes me sad for her too because if we go to talk about the rides to the house to itchigras farms, Venita being put in the car with Austin and Rod. It bummed me out because I was like, I think Venita is excited about being a part of this car ride. And she's a pawn in the Austin and Craig game right now. I was thinking about this because obviously she wasn't going to go with like Whitner and that boy's car because Craig hates her and feels like won't film with her. And then she's on the out with Sally. So she couldn't go in the girls car. So she had to go. It was sad. I will say it was very funny when she was pulling out his dirty socks and he was like, stop airing out my dirty laundry, Venita. I just was bummed for her because Austin is using her because Craig doesn't want to film with her. And so now it's an ally in his side. And that's why I'm like, Austin's a sniper from the side. I feel bad for Venita. I agree. I was just not a girl to support her when the women should be coming together. But that's Sally's fault because she's putting them against each other. Yeah. Because of Craig. And Madison at this point too, I think just doesn't care. Obviously she's 34 weeks pregnant. She is just like, she's filming. She's like a March on Lynch here. I don't know if you guys remember when he was there just so he wouldn't get fined. Madison is filming just because she has to film as much as she can until she has that baby because she does not want to be forgotten on this show. And I think she thought she'd be able to go a little bit longer than she does because she has the baby next week, I think, because she had the baby so far in advance. Yeah. So it's just, she's going, but I guess I'm just saying she doesn't have a dog in this fight right now because of where she's at in her life. Like next season, she'd probably get in the mix. But right now she's like, I just, I can't even put a bathing suit on. I don't even know if I'm going to sleep over like, I am going because I'm I'm off. She doesn't want to be there. I wouldn't want to be there. Yeah. Should he take one more break and then come back and talk the rest? Yes. Okay. So let's talk about Charlie Molly and Sally in the car. So Sally's like, so how, how was the date with Craig because I heard that he is going around saying that you will fall in love with him and he doesn't want to hurt you. He's saying that to all the guys and Molly says, what are the boys are twisting this? You know, this doesn't feel quite right. And Molly calling Sally a jealous psycho took the words out of my mouth because it's exactly like you said, if I can't have him, nobody can. Right. I also wanted to talk about the cars too. There's something about these castmates. Nobody has a fancy car. We have jeeps. We have Buick's. We have exteras. We have their a Tahoe. There's something really likeable about that. Austin's Lexus is very nice. But is he a guy? Yes. When I saw Charlie drive up with the exterra, I was like, do they make those anymore? There was something refreshing to see it. And chef rose driving a Buick feels so random. It doesn't though. It does not to me. He's probably a Buick family. I feel like these his dad drove a Buick, his mom drove a Buick. It's been old reliable. And chef isn't buying a new car every couple of years. He's riding that out until it's in the dirt. Agreed. And Craig and Austin both used to have jeeps. But Austin looks like he bought this really nice Lexus. Yeah. And then I noticed Whitner has a Jeep. I think Craig still has a Cherokee. I mean, as a former Jeep girl, yes. I love that. You had that blue Jeep for so long. I drove that into the ground. I had that for like 15 years. How many miles did I have on it at the end? I don't even think I had 100,000 on it. What? I know. I know. My Venza already has 60,000. Well, you're just a girl who loves to go in the car. That's pretty remarkable. My car now has less than 30,000. I've had it since 2020. Yeah. Well, I don't drive my car that often. For me, I'm somebody who the weekend comes, well, the week two, I basically walk everywhere that I can or I take away. Yeah. Mine is Tahoe. Tahoe. Yeah. Like you're going like longer distances with it. But I just love it. It's refreshing seeing them drive these these cars that are not super fancy. Going back to the Sally conversation. Do you think Shep was the one that told her or do you think that Austin actually told her the details and maybe she talked to Shep and got like an inkling so she could blame it on Shep? I don't think she made this up out of thin air. My conversation comes from the dinner. Craig was worried about the dating. What if in a couple of dates she falls in love with me and I'm not and I have to say no, right? He was just was nervous about the dating. I think Austin talked to Sally and spun it. And then I think she maybe talked to Shep and he confirmed like, oh yeah, some conversation happened like that. But then she was able to use Shep. Like Austin and Sally have a backdoor deal. Not sexually. Sorry. I need to clarify that right away. I think it's exactly what you're saying. She heard it and Shep and Austin from both their mouths and has decided to use Shep as the vessel as the vessel as a fall guy for this because she can't give any ammunition towards Austin. And I think they're both mad enough at Craig that they're like, we could team up and take him down. No big deal. Like we'll ruin it for everyone. But we can say Shep said it because Shep confirmed that that conversation did happen because Sally is so confident it was said it. Obviously she's just here to protect Charlie. The way that Sally gets win that Austin is single and her excitement is palpable. I mean, the girl is giddy. I just was excited for her to have the opening because I want to see her pounce. Oh, like you're for the show. You're excited to see this. I mean, I just felt bad for Audrey. I love Sally. I love watching her. She's excellent TV. She is chaotic, but she's perfect for reality. Oh, she's great to watch on screen. But if I'm Audrey, first off of my modry and I'm watching this entire season being like we were good for the first half and realizing episode one, apparently my boyfriend hated me this whole time. The last scene of me is having to watch him and Sally be all over each other. And then the goodbye for me is yelling at him from a distance, the table at the restaurant and seeing how quickly he's moved on to flirting with Sally at this point. Oh, okay. Thanks for not wasting any more of my time, but thanks for wasting all of that time. If you were Audrey, would you watch this season? If I really wanted to get over him. Because I could. No, I couldn't, but I'm saying if I wanted to like make sure I was never going to like drunk texts, allow a DM and like text and respond or like try to be friendly absolutely not. I'd watch this season. I'd probably make my girlfriends watch it and then like do a summary for me. But if I never wanted to talk to this man again, I'd watch it. I'd watch it for you and tell you about it. Thank you. Austin tells Vanita and Rod long story short, I told Audrey we are done. Do you think that was their genuine reaction the first time they heard about this? Yes, because Austin and Vanita are not friends. I remember that one random FaceTime they had. I was like, this is so unnatural. I do feel like Rod was caught off guard as well. I mean, when Madison relays the information softly to Sally, she does say he said not to say anything, but I got to start some drama on my last trip. So yeah, he's not with her anymore. I think it was genuine. And then when Sally calls and they're in the the card talking, Vanita is a get off the freaking phone, Sally. I'm trying to get the details. Sally asking Vanita when they get to the property and Vanita being a vault about it. I'm like, if you wanted to get your friendship back with Sally, you should have said, yeah, he's single. Go for it. There's no loyalty lost with Austin. No, you want to be back with Sally. Say, I think we've had a big mess misunderstanding. You know, the only person I don't like in Hey, Ther Guts is Craig. And he's so fake. You know, I won't be fake to his face, but I don't want to be friends with the guy. No, she will be fake to his face. That's what's kind of annoying to me too. A little bit is like, if we don't like Craig, let's just like stand tentos down. Let's just like not give him the attention that he probably wants and wants to like prove that like look on the star. Just like, let's not fuck with Craig. No, right now Sally doesn't like Craig. You guys are on the same side. You could be in the Alliance with Sally and Austin. You need open the vault. I thought that was so strange that that would have gotten her closer again with Sally if she just told about also, why does she call Sally Stink? I didn't hear that. Oh, she like text Sally and calls her stink. Like she says like, I miss you stinker. Like, I don't want us to be fighting stink. Oh, maybe she's a big farder. Oh, farts. They've traveled from Salt Lake down to Charleston. Sally's got gas. Okay, let's talk about Whittner bringing the crew to itchy grass. Let's talk about the mom. I thought the mom was lovely, very welcoming. They felt super Southern. All the Whittners trying to be like, but we're not Southern. Like my uncle was Jimmy Buffett. We're very progressive. The property is gorgeous. I thought everyone was very sweet to the parents as well. Everyone's giving hugs. They're bringing honey. It was sweet. I always find this funny too because we've talked about this. You're always still a kid when you go and meet someone's parents, right? Doesn't matter the age you are, you're still always just a kid. So all of these cast members who like live these lives, they go into his parents' house and they're like, thank you. There's something endearing about that. It's manners. Who doesn't think manners are sexy, you know? Put that on a pillow, Craig. I feel like the editors, they know what's up and he's the mama's boy because the amount of times we had to hear mother or mama or mommy, I was like, okay, I need a map of the property though because at one point we have golf carts we're driving to places. We're driving the red Jeep, which is not the GP drove in it on. We've got space. We've got a lot of cabins. Craig is glamping. I thought that was very nice to provide everyone with their own sleeping quarters and they got two glamping tents to accommodate that. And who's in the other tent? We don't know yet because we have Austin and Rod who are together. Austin has a zit. So you know what would be funny? Put a little cookie hat on. Cover up that zit. Austin and Rod are together. Vanita and Madison are together. It seems like the three girls are together. Craig's in a tent. Shep has his own room and Wittner's probably sleeping in his mom's bed. So, Craig. What? Is that wrong? I think you hit the nail on the head on that one. So it's really just Craig glamping with bocus. Maybe Madison was going to sleep next to him. Craig? Who? Next to Craig. In the tent. 34 week. Madison was sleeping on an air mattress in the glamping tent. I mean, she's not actually staying. That's why I know. I know. But again, too. I was like, Vanita's on the outs because of Madison's not staying. She's in her own room with the knife. Okay. So then Charlie and Craig. This was so embarrassing. The way that she ran over to him and was like, so we talked about you in the car. I'm really Charlie stop. This is when I decided she's not good reality. You know? Oh, I thought she was cute because I think she really like I think she's in that like giddy state. I think both of them kind of are in this giddy stage of like, oh my god. I like you where it goes like a little elementary. And I think she was also trying to figure out like, I thought you liked me. And now I'm hearing this and I just want to get the true story. I think she also feels that Sally says if I can't have them neither can you. And so she wants to go straight to the source about it because she has a crush. She definitely has a crush. Sally is definitely jealous. Maybe something more has happened with them too besides the one or two dates because Craig, he keeps on saying like, you know how I feel about you. They feel like they're in a deeper relationship than two dates. They're probably big textures. Well, I mean, she's come over with the painting. He had to buy the painting at some point. We don't know when he bought it. There's been definitely more interactions. And I'm with Craig on this. I know again, you think he's the biggest gas lighter. But I actually do feel for him. He went through this breakup. Regardless if he was really blindsided or not, Craig's mind, he was blindsided. He's like, I'm ultra sensitive about everybody talking about me and these really in my relationships. I'm really protective. Like, I don't want someone else to ruin our chances. Like if it's ruined because you and I aren't a match, that's fine. But I don't want you getting all of this outer speaking from Austin, Sally, whoever about who I am. You should find that out firsthand. Yeah. I just can't stand Craig. And then the way that walks over to Sally and is like, you better tell Charlie, I didn't say shit. I haven't said anything about Charlie. I'm not getting sucked into your stuff. Why do you need to talk? I don't even think it's talking shit. She's warning her. Oh, warning. Charlie, you know, I know, but come on. You know she's telling her this because she doesn't want Charlie to be with him. I completely agree with that, but I can't stand Craig that much. Oh, I see. Sally. He's your bitch eating crackers. Yes. Okay. So even though he's technically in the right, he's still wrong. Well, I mean, this conversation was had. But not in this way, I just feel like they're twisting his words to make Craig look bad. Like, that is the goal of this. And I'm okay with that. And I think what Shep said at the end too was that he was like, Craig is a romantic. Keeping stubs are going to fly. And I just think it's Sally is great for TV. No, I mean, the chaos is great for TV. But if I'm Charlie or Craig, I'm bummed watching this. I know. Sally cannot let this go. She's like, I know what he said about you and it lights up fire under my ass because I know you are better than him. Oh, are you going to believe in Craig walking by? Like keep talking about me. And she's just like, not everything is about you. It's like, it's this couple really is about Craig. She's spiraling at this point too. I know it's so good. It's I know it really is. She's like, okay, we're fucking over Craig. Okay. And now I've got to focus my energy on Austin. I've also had three glasses of wine at this point. So I'm on a different level. And I don't know what spiral to get on. I can do Austin's dirty work. And then that gives me a point with Austin. But that means I have to focus my energy on Craig and not Austin. I know. And I just like love her eyes for Austin. Austin like gives her a hug and is like, why are you looking at me like that? It's just like, because I know he's like, oh, yeah, she's so cute. You anyway, these are just my eyes. They're baby blue. Craig is a monster. Andy does put himself on a pedestal. And I recognize these things. But I also think that Austin really does want to take him down a little bit. And so it's a bummer to see that because I think Austin was just he wasn't happy with Audrey. That thing about what have you had to show in five years really got him, especially as he goes into his 38th year. I mean, to do that on his birthday, even though he started the fight. Tof. Not we're going to go day one is that as day one is setting the tone for the next 365 yikes. Yeah, not a great way to enter your 38th year. Yes. Yeah. No. Craig is the answer to be able to kind of take it out on him. And I think also they know at some point they're going to come back to each other. Like the longest relationship these men have on this show is with each other. Exactly. The friendships with one another. And they'll fight and they'll yell and they'll say mean things to each other. But at the end of the day, they're going to be fine if they want to be fine. I'm very curious how Craig and Austin are in real time because I don't think they've done a ton together recently. I mean, the reunion is going to be telling. Austin and Shep did use of traveling together after the season. I see more Austin and Shep travel well together. I don't think Craig seemingly travels well with them. I think when they're in a threesome, maybe they need for because it probably ends up a gang up on Craig. And we know threesomes are never good. Never a good idea. Even sexually you need for. Okay. Anything else about Southern Charmers? We do a quick recap of Van Apenprul's. Yes. Let's talk about VPR. I'm obsessed with Shane Davis. I know. I love Shane Davis so much. The way that he is emotional intelligence. We talk about that a lot. And the fact that he's sober around all these dumb dumb as they get progressively drunk on this wine tour. I just love him. We watched in Jealousy have a full mental breakdown this week. And it really was I think about her current situation with her ex. And she felt like everyone was kind of gaining up on her when she was the one in the wrong because she was trying to expose the eyebrow brothers, twins, cousins, whatever, the eyebrow people expose their only fans and saying it was incestual. And without seeing the video. That was genuinely crazy. She never watched it. She just looked at the blurb, which was obviously marketing and sales to get people to watch the video that she never saw. I like the Jason stood up for himself. He's like, this is how I make my money. I'm proud of what I do. And then she just was so strange after she's still undercuts by saying, come here, little man, get in the photo with me. The two differences. She's calling like, get over here, little man, stand next to me. And he heard her say, don't come near me, little man. Did you hear that? And maybe I heard that wrong. I thought he heard her say, don't come near me, little man, which I think also set the tone when she was just calling him little man, regardless of she's still insulting him. But I heard him say, don't come near me. And I heard her say squat near me, little man. I just heard little man. That was the thing that stood out for me, little man. Someone fact check us on that, please. But I love how Shane let her down. He's just like, wow, she's Kuku bananas on the bus. First up, these people are always did at this point because on a wine tour, nobody's tasting for the flavor. They're tasting for the drunk. And she's crying in his lap with a blanket over her head. Audrey pulls her up and is like, it's not worth it. And I also, that's cute because she's like, I'll block your head from the camera. She says that, you know, when they're hugging so that they could have like a real talk where she was like, this isn't for the camera, whatever, like I don't want you to be upset, even though we're not friends. And then Angelica sits there and starts saying like, he's just not my ex and Shane's pretending he's sleeping at this point because he's like, what the hell? Like he has to let her down easy because he's like, she's clearly not over her ex. I just wanted to make out with her on the trip. This was a vacation girlfriend, not a real one. No, I liked the way he went into her room was like, so where were headed's not going to work. I don't think we should be romantic, you know, you know my lifestyle. I heard not taking the news. She's like, the wait, we're not going to make out. Well, she's like black out at this point. I don't even know about that because I feel like she was like, oh, you put up boundaries. I am going to climb over them. She's sending him you up text. She checked the door and realized it's locked. She sluts on the couch to be closer to him. The car ride back. Oh my god. They are driving. I got the heebie. Geebie. So when she was trying to touch him, he has his hands in his mouth. He's biting his fingers. He's like, oh my god. He's driving with his right hand so that he cannot hold the hand where she's trying to like hook into the seatbelt. And she can't understand because that's why I think she was also blackout was because she was like, I don't understand. What do you mean? And this just felt like old Sheena to me have not gotten the picture with her best brand. It was so cringe. It was hard to watch. I felt bad for her, but I felt worse for Shane Davis. Shane Davis that gem. You can do no wrong in my eyes. Can I tell you a funny moment? Yes. Okay. There are many obviously. But okay. When they get on to this bus to go wine tasting, first off, what is the dress code that they decided to do? Don't understand it. It's like Shane and Angelica are kind of cuddling on the bus and you got like Kristen Audrey and then like Kim and Marcus are sitting next to each other. First off, they started the trip broken up. They're already back together by day two, right? And she's like, look at everyone cuddling and like, you can't tell if he's like, well, we've been together forever. 10 months at this time. I know. 10 months together forever. Time. Just a construct. Right. Right. And I just started giggling. Same like Marcus hates his girlfriend, but doesn't also want her to be with anybody else. And I need Kim who also did admit, by the way, my insanity comes from a long line of insane women. I did not build this crazy on my own. She's like, thank you to my grandmother, my mother, my aunt. I also just say to shout out to Natalie because if someone spilled their red wine all over my yellow dress, I would not have handled it as well as she was. I also wouldn't me personally be walking around the house and my thong with the hair over my tits because my body was bangin' like that. Now she was blacked out. She was blacked out. That's the guarantee. She fell down the stairs the night before. But her outfit was so cute, she had to wear the boots still. Sure. Sure. They were all this way. They were all so wasted at that point. Demi, she is pissed at one point because one of the eyebrow brothers is giving her a lap dance. She said, this is unprofessional. Babe, we're not, we are at work, but we're not at work. She's like, what is it? Don't get your face. I did think it was very sweet. The moment between Jason and Venus on the bus. And Jason is talking about, he's like, you know, one I was younger. I was kind of like, am I gay? And then I realized my grandmother was gay. And now I just realized, you know what? You got to love who you are and love yourself. And he has like a full on breakdown crying moment in the confessional speaking of his grandmother. I thought it was a really great story to share. And he felt very vulnerable in that moment because I haven't enjoyed him this season. I enjoyed him this week. Penis Pump included. I don't need the double-sided dildo. I'll tell you that. I don't need the double-sided dildo around him. Like, who's bringing this? Like, were they trying to shoot wine content with the double-sided dildo? It made me think of Requiem for a dream. And I believe it at that because if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. And if you haven't seen it, it's better you don't. When they were putting the dildo in the sandwich. Like a hot dog. Would you consider a dildo hot dog a sandwich or not? You know, that's a big question. Are hot dog sandwiches? No. Absolutely not. No, they're definitely not to me. They own category. I agree with that. I agree with that. Thosage if you will too. Brought worst. The category of their own, of course. Of course. I don't know if I see a future for Chris and Audrey. Well, I feel like we know in real time they're not together. They are very weird. How do you know that? I just have a feeling. Okay, but so we don't really know. Vibes no evidence. Yes. Okay. Obviously always. Well, because when she was on watch, I happened live a couple of weeks ago. It could have gone either way for me the way that she was answering questions. Okay. And so I was unclear if they were together still or not. We do know there's a reunion coming. So I guess we'll know then. I would be shocked. But maybe I'm wrong. You know, I've been wrong. I've been wrong a couple of times. Courtney. Only a few though. Only a few. I did want to say we don't need the world dog day. We don't need to see shorts show up. Oh, you've been working out. Schwartzy. Not one of the cast was at it. It was so strange. Also, they went to Dow. Dow is gorgeous in Paso, Robles. I highly recommend going there. It's fantastic. Which one was that on there? Because they one was almost like a wine tasting bar. If you're going to sleep with me, call me Toby. If you just drink my wine, call me Tobin. It's it wasn't that one. It was the first one. That's a Robles. I feel like is a hidden gem. It's such a cute little town. It's kind of a good meeting point between SoCal and NorCal. They have an airport. No. Not a good meeting. For me, I'm virtually. I don't love a road trip. That's what I'll meet you in SF. You are and a couple days. I feel like when I land, you're going to get a tingle up and down your body. Like, no, she's here. Yes, I think you're going to have a lot of fun on Friday. She has like nerves on her face. Right now, though, like, she's worried about my coming into the city as if like, she's not the mayor of SF over here. Like, we know we're going to be so good. 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