The Big Suey: The "How Is This Okay?" Hour
42 min
•Feb 9, 20264 months agoSummary
The episode covers multiple controversies in sports and entertainment, including Bill Belichick's girlfriend wearing an Orchids of Asia Day Spa shirt (referencing Robert Kraft's 2019 prostitution scandal), Giannis Antetokounmpo's conflict of interest with prediction market investments during trade deadline speculation, and the Utah Jazz intentionally losing games through strategic benching decisions.
Insights
- Unregulated prediction markets create significant conflicts of interest when athletes have financial stakes in platforms while their own trade status or performance is being wagered on
- Strategic in-game benching decisions to ensure losses constitute a form of point shaving that currently lacks regulatory oversight in professional sports
- Public figures with sufficiently large cultural legacies can engage in controversial behavior with minimal long-term reputational consequences
- Petty behavior conducted publicly through proxies (like partners wearing symbolic clothing) generates more media attention than substantive conflicts of interest
- The absence of clear governance around athlete partnerships in emerging gambling markets creates compliance gaps that major sports leagues may not be adequately addressing
Trends
Unregulated prediction markets gaining mainstream adoption with minimal athlete disclosure requirementsAthletes leveraging trade deadline news cycles to announce financial partnerships and investmentsIntentional tanking strategies becoming more brazen and transparent in NBA team managementPrediction markets and alternative gambling platforms attracting major sports figures as financial backersLack of regulatory clarity around athlete conflicts of interest in emerging fintech/gambling spacesPublic figures using symbolic gestures and proxies to communicate grievances rather than direct statementsSuper Bowl weekend as a marketing rollout opportunity for athlete business partnershipsCompliance gaps between NBA/NFL policies and emerging financial products involving their players
Topics
Prediction Markets and Athlete Conflicts of InterestUnregulated Gambling PlatformsNBA Trade Deadline ManipulationPoint Shaving and Intentional Game LossesAthlete Financial Partnerships and DisclosureSports Compliance and Regulatory GapsBill Belichick and Robert Kraft FeudGiannis Antetokounmpo Trade SagaUtah Jazz Tanking StrategySuper Bowl Commercials and MarketingCelebrity Endorsements and Reputational RiskSports Betting RegulationNCAA vs Professional Sports StandardsMedia Coverage of Sports ControversiesAthlete Brand Partnerships
Companies
DraftKings
Primary sponsor of the episode; operates sports betting platform and sportsbook mentioned throughout
Miller Light
Sponsor providing beer product placement and casual lifestyle marketing segment
Peacock
Streaming platform mentioned as home to Ted TV series remake
Calci
Unregulated prediction market platform where Giannis Antetokounmpo has financial stake; received $23M in bets
Orchids of Asia Day Spa
Massage parlor referenced in Robert Kraft 2019 prostitution scandal; featured on Jordan Hudson's shirt
New England Patriots
NFL team discussed in context of Bill Belichick's departure and Super Bowl participation
Milwaukee Bucks
NBA team where Giannis Antetokounmpo plays; subject of trade deadline speculation
Utah Jazz
NBA team accused of intentionally losing games through strategic player benching decisions
Orlando Magic
NBA team that benefited from Utah Jazz's intentional loss on Saturday night
Miami Heat
NBA team that pursued Giannis Antetokounmpo during trade deadline
Los Angeles Clippers
NBA team with protected draft pick interest in Utah Jazz's performance
Chelsea Women's Football Club
Soccer club where Giannis announced ownership partnership alongside prediction market stake
People
Bill Belichick
Former Patriots coach attending Duke-UNC game with girlfriend wearing controversial Kraft scandal reference shirt
Jordan Hudson
Bill Belichick's girlfriend who wore Orchids of Asia Day Spa shirt at Duke-UNC game
Robert Kraft
Subject of 2019 prostitution scandal at Orchids of Asia Day Spa referenced through symbolic shirt
Giannis Antetokounmpo
NBA star with financial stake in Calci prediction market platform; manipulated trade deadline narrative
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Announced partnership with Chelsea Women's Football Club during trade deadline news cycle
Will Hardy
Accused of intentionally benching key players to ensure loss against Orlando Magic
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Recently traded to Jazz; benched entire fourth quarter despite 22 points through three quarters
Lauri Markkanen
Benched entire fourth quarter despite 27 points through three quarters in intentional loss
Drake Maye
UNC quarterback in Super Bowl with Patriots; subject of Belichick's apparent public feud
Blue Ivy Carter
Jay-Z's daughter mistakenly identified as Beyoncé at televised event
Emmanuel Clase
MLB pitcher banned for life for manipulating 48 games; faces gambling-related legal consequences
Yasiel Puig
Former MLB star facing 20 years federal prison for private gambling involvement and lying to investigators
Mike Tyson
Convicted rapist featured in Super Bowl commercial for healthy eating despite controversial past
Dan LeBatard
Podcast host and primary speaker throughout episode
Stugotz
Co-host providing commentary and analysis throughout episode
Quotes
"How is this okay? Jordan Hudson. How is this okay? Yana's being having conflicting conflict of interest with the predictions market. How is this okay? And also the Utah Jazz losing on purpose. How is this okay?"
Dan LeBatard•Mid-episode
"This is staggering in its pettiness. Really when I saw this I was like whether Bill knows or not I cannot believe the size of this pettiness."
Dan LeBatard•Belichick shirt discussion
"You're making strategic in game decisions to make sure that a specific outcome losing happens. That's point shaving."
Stugotz•Utah Jazz discussion
"Hurt people hurt people this is Bob Kraft's greatest public shame that you're hitting like you're hitting in the softest spot"
Dan LeBatard•Belichick controversy
"There's never been someone in the history of marketing who gets to occupy this particular space"
Dan LeBatard•Mike Tyson commercial discussion
Full Transcript
Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan LeBertard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, Fat Face and the habitual liar. This episode of the Dan LeBertard show is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. Juju, put these questions on the poll, please. Why was Lady Gaga there? Yes or no? No. Also, was anyone clamoring for a remade television show of the teddy bear, Ted? Yes or no? My son and I watch it. It's hilarious. You're way off base. I'm not even sure people know what you're talking about based off how you said that. It's in its... The teddy bear, Ted. What? The teddy bear, Ted. The teddy bear, Ted. How much clearer could I have made it? Yeah, and it's on Peacock. I'm just wondering whether anybody was clamoring for that show. Yeah, I think so, since it's a multi-season run and popular IP. And you can find it right here on Peacock. Also, I saw on the broadcast early as they were showing all of the celebrities, they were saying, and there is Jay-Z with his crew and Beyonce's there. Beyonce's more famous than Jay-Z at this point. Is she not? Put it on the poll at LeBertard show. Who's more famous? Jay-Z or Beyonce? I don't like how they're scrambling back there. She was not there. That was his daughter. That was his daughter, Blue Ivy Carter. But again, looks just like her. Dan. That's a compliment, I guess. I knew once they started moving back there. Did any of you- Quick, pressure with four. Did any of you watch the North Carolina Duke game? Smooth. I really didn't. Again, Dan, to be fair though, between- Very much looks like her mom. It was quick. It was a flash. It was sideways too. Like I saw that same thing. I was like, oh, there's Jay. And it's like, oh, wait a second. Man, that's not Beyonce. I'm telling you, very close. Did you guys watch North Carolina Duke because- I did. I did not watch the very end. I fell asleep. I thought that game was over. Mike, Duke was leading the entire game. And it remains a mystery to me today how North Carolina won that game because it very much was in the last four minutes of that game. Three, three, three, three out of nowhere, college basketball players can't actually shoot. They're all learning how to play basketball. They're all terrible shooters. You never see threes go down like that. Bang, bang, bang. And then the last one hits and you got to let them storm the court and you got to leave the four tenths of a second off of the clock. Don't get everyone off of the court. John Shire saying after the game that one of his staffers got punched. No one saw the staffer get punched and there's still not video evidence of the staffer getting punched. In his defense, they're very rarely cameras at a Duke North Carolina game. They rush everyone off the court and then play the last four tenths of a second. So then you get the court storming again after that. You get two court storms, but North Carolina deserve to enjoy the revelry of winning that game because having watched that game, I still don't understand how they won that game. Yeah, North Carolina fans and the students should be embarrassed to be ashamed of themselves. You're North Carolina basketball. You stormed the court. That was a pretty fun way to win. It doesn't matter though. Duke's top five. It's Duke's top five. It's their rival and UNC's ranked two. OK, but he's also ranked. What's a top five win? Rank first ranked, you don't storm. That's what they care the most about. UNC basketball. UNC should storm the court against nobody. They hate Duke the most. They would only storm the court against Duke. That's the one. But you storm the court because you just did something improbable. So UNC basketball is telling me that beating Duke is now improbable. Not improbable, but a top five Duke team that's a very good team. You can be excited. You don't have to storm. You can like it can be a ruckus atmosphere. You go crazy, but like you don't storm because you've been here before. It's as I get your larger point and in a vacuum, I don't even really disagree with you, but you're saying when it's improbable, you can storm the court. Well, if you watch this game, no, it was improbable. That was a wire to wire ass kicking that they were on the receiving end of. I still am confused because I fell asleep and I fell asleep because I'm like this game did not deliver. Storming the court doesn't mean anything anymore. It doesn't. It has no meaning anymore. Chris Cody, what did you put in front of the atmosphere? What is the word? No, ruckus. So you made it a ruckus ruckus atmosphere. No, the raucous raucous raucous raucous. Yeah, but I so it was both though because it was also a ruckus. It turned into a ruckus because nailed it. Yeah, but you didn't nail it. But two birds one stone. Wait, what? I said something meant something else, but it fits. So on this day, though, Bill Belichick shows up. We were talking about this last week, right? We were talking about the Panthers fighting with the lightning and we were talking about rivalries, but also players actually hating each other. And when you see a North Carolina game against Duke, their luminaries show up like their people all show up. Former players and it's a it's a really fun different thing and these schools hate each other and that hatred gets passed down generationally from parents. So Bill Belichick goes to the game with Jordan Hudson and she's wearing what is the shirt she is wearing there? Can you describe it to the audio audience? It is an Orchids of Asia Day Spa T-shirt. Obviously custom made. This is the massage parlor that was tied to Robert Kraft's prostitution bust in 2019. How do you know the parlor doesn't sell them? You want a good book? You have rocks in your mouth. He when he delivers a good point, he does it with a little trouble. No, when he's got your corner, I've been around him so long that I can kind of speak. But if I just met you, I wouldn't know what the hell you just said. How do you not know how do you not know that they don't sell them because you're saying it's custom made and he's he's as a journalist. He's questioning your verification. Cool. Then she went down to the day spa that was connected to Robert Kraft's 2019 prostitution. You probably could have just ordered it on the Amazon. It doesn't have to be. She doesn't have to go down to Boca. All right. Let's not get bogged down here. There was intention. Yeah. All right. This is evil. This is sinister. This is calling attention to this. This is trolling. This is speaking to all the conspiracy theories out there that Robert Kraft is behind Bill Belichick not getting into the Hall of Fame. This is you want to talk about this is a purposeful like distraction for Bill Belichick. What Bill Belichick is going to play dumb there. They did this with intention. They don't get to play the whole like leave us alone. We're not asking for any of this card. That is we are looking for this attention. We have a message to share. Do you think this is him being like the hey you should do this or is this her? Hey, I have this idea. Remember he did this and Bill is just like, oh, this is this. Cares are both having a laugh over. I'm just curious the dynamic there. Like who's the actual mastermind behind this crazy move. This is staggering in its pettiness. It really when I saw this I was like whether Bill knows or not I cannot believe the size of this pettiness. Even if look man, I have rarely seen my wife how she gets when she gets that way in defense of me. She doesn't do it in defense of herself. It's when someone has wronged me. What it what it sturs in her is something that is nastier than I'm used to seeing from her and I don't know whose idea this was. I can't imagine that it was Belichick's idea, but it is born of whatever it is that Belichick is telling her about Bob Kraft that she would wear a t-shirt that represents Robert Kraft's greatest public shame. There is none worse than this than him being caught as an old man in a Boca tanning strip mall center in the middle of a sex trafficking ring allegedly like he has no greater public shame to wear that t-shirt while standing next to Belichick at North Carolina Duke when the Patriots are in the Super Bowl is a is a breathtaking amount of petty a flabbergasting amount of petty. I think that's right up there with that time Robert Kraft audition for that movie. Can we get that can we get that video because I think I get in trouble for playing that on ESPN one time before Robert Kraft actually before Bill Belichick ended up with the young girlfriend Robert Kraft a recently widowed Robert Kraft was doing auditioning for a part acting or helping a young woman in a part. I forgot about that. I got in trouble for playing that on ESPN on highly questionable. Yeah they got there. I don't know what phone calls got made where but I found out after playing it because I was so delighted by it right. It's an 80 year old owner sitting there acting opposite. Here we go. A Heather Graham in trouble before doing it here. Do it again. A Heather Graham look alike. Yes in a in a bikini top and yes see if you can find the sound because the audition is truly terrible like that. He's a cigar store wooden Indian for acting like he's just he's he's absolutely not not a good actor go ahead and play it. How do you know the parlor doesn't sell them. I found out in first. How do you know the parlor doesn't sell them. I'll be honest with you at first I wasn't sure what I said there. How do you know the parlor doesn't sell them. It's tough to make out what I said. It's when you're at your most confident and most relaxed when you know you've got a killer line you just do your jowls get a little a little looser and you really let it fly there and you had a good one. There's an air of confidence to that. How do you know his four words. How do you know how do you know how you know how do you know how do you know after a couple of brown liquors in you. How do you know the. Whatever it you know had the effect how do you know the. I didn't understand them. Had the effect of what I understand them but I've known them for 20 years got the point across. Quick break to tell you about a special Miller time I had with my good buddy Mocheta Mocheta texted me the other day he said hey what are you doing for the game. 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Two guts good algorithm this is the done Lebatard show with this two guts. You guys are surprised by how petty right like that you just do that publicly not that you would feel it not that you would feel it but that you would do that you would allow anybody to feed on this kind of petty it's not even just that it's the weekend that the Patriots are in the Super Bowl and obviously six championships with the Super Bowl with the Patriots but Drake may went to the school that he works at and is in the Super Bowl that weekend with the Patriots and this is why Bellachic's an asshole and I find it funny that he was left out of the Hall of Fame that's why that that was funny to me last week when Bellachic now has to wait because he's a dick am I the only one that can see a scenario where he doesn't really know what's happening here. Oh stop that's what he's counting on for everyone to just think these what are you ordering old man that doesn't get the reference. What did he clearly say that's going to get picked up like you're just making more news for me. It's just feel like if she so he's a big see I'm not trying to say that I'm sure he is aware a little bit. I don't know it just seems so obvious that this would make news if it bothered him would try to avoid it if it bothered no no no he's actually looking for it right and that is insanely and that's the part that I also find to be incredibly hypocritical and it's something that he was doing this entire first year at UNC for the coach who in the NFL were dealing professional players was all about no distractions. It's only about the team don't do or say anything that takes any of the attention away from football and he is nonstop with let's take attention away from the team. Okay the thing that I want to go down the path on though and thank you Chris for doing that because I think we're all in agreement like he can't be an innocent victim on all of this but beyond petty I suppose you can make the argument on behalf of it being artful content wise but if that's the way you feel Bill say it like don't don't drape your 20 year old girlfriend in it like if that's the way you feel stop with not congratulating Drake may when they win and he's the North Carolina quarterback and and doing some of the stuff that you do say it like quit hiding by your your a champion coach like if this is the way that you feel don't drape it in or in the ornament that your girlfriend is wearing small and pathetic it's pathetic what he's doing to have Jordan wear that shirt and send that message out the weekend that that franchise is in the Super Bowl when you know people are going to be looking at you and and decontextualizing everything every single one of your moves out in public with one another I am flabbergasted and how ugly this has gotten publicly because he in my mind he did just say it in my mind that is a statement with a craft statement a couple of days earlier saying build deserves and trying to high road it nope for him to come back in low road like that is nope Mike if he said it if Bill Belichick said it what about Robert Kraft being caught at that sex parlor if he said it it would be headlines and it would be nonstop it wouldn't be whispered about and it wouldn't have I'm not sure did he know would like it was is he a doddering old man if he said it it would be headlines for days and there would be no misunderstanding about oh he actually hates everything in that organization now he's not said that yeah I I'm not maybe you guys are putting more stock into the did he or did he not know it's just so tasty obvious yes it's so obviously taste for us to imagine he can't be this way aggressively petty he's shown us who he is I mean that's wild if he is the thing about it though is again hurt people hurt people this is Bob Kraft's greatest public shame that you're hitting like you're hitting in the softest spot like this is the he was widowed and and he loved his wife and their love was a public love that everyone in New England knows about and an old man was caught at a Boca strip mall in the middle of a ring in which he made a lot of that stuff go away like because of the amount of power that he has a lot of that stuff was a momentary blip and then he fought it and then he went then it went away Bill Belichick being with someone who's purposely showing off at that game this weekend Bob Kraft's greatest public shame I would like there to be more if the if that's the amount of petty that Bella check has in him I would like to hear it spoken instead of us having to interpret whether or not it's so when he's make it when they are making it this obvious what are you shaking your head about Tony then everything you're saying I'm listening to it and I'm just thinking of one thing you could have said all those different things and just switch the name it's exactly what Yanis did to by the way just standing behind an absolute just say it man just say it you want to get traded but you don't want to get traded I want to find a new home but now you come out after the trade deadline and say no worry I attract stars no you don't know you don't you have miles Turner okay you had Kyle Kuzma you didn't attract shit you know you tracked it I got they cut from Brooklyn okay oh but this is the reason this you're you're talking about what happened with him and this alternate gambling market that there is that is predicting futures you're talking about he hasn't even gotten started that I haven't even started that that ruined his legacy by the way this is a open and shut what are we doing here ruined his leg is open and shut oh yeah Pablo five minutes on on the Calci Yanis thing how was this allowed how is it allowed terrible he waits until his name is in the news cycle for weeks on end to announce a Calci prediction market partnership that's not something that just a trade deadline after the trade deadline while he's manipulating the markets don't worry don't worry Adam Silver get on it they're taking millions of dollars in bets as to which team he'll land on on that platform and then he comes out after being all coy and stuff and saying he's a partner you weren't even talking about that you're just talking about just his other social media behavior of I don't I don't leave I'm not leaving yes putting the Jordan Belfort you know Wolf of Wall Street thing I'm saying I'm not leaving buddy three weeks ago you said you wanted to find a new home and then you dog and pony show okay with Milwaukee they called it a side show it was a side show maybe we should revisit what Brian Windhorst was saying there because the teams are left with the impression these guys aren't serious about moving him and then they didn't move him teams were informed the evening before the deadline that they were not moving him but it was absolutely something that prediction markets were getting handles on and it was something that he perpetuated so now he comes out as a partner for this platform as a as a financial backer of couch of Calci like he stood the game from all the action they took do not do you am I is this nuts how is this allowed yeah it's crazy especially because like those partnerships don't happen overnight and over the course of the time after it was brought up by shams that hey Yanis wants out of Milwaukee and they're looking at trades in the Bucks are taking it seriously 23 million dollars were put into Calci over whether or not he would leave Milwaukee 23 million and he is a financial investor in this company and that comes out the day after in this way that is so like cocky about it like that was it was brazen in the way he went about it was shocking and guess what it's not regulated not regulated at all not regulated you can put whatever you want in whatever amount of money and be like all right yeah I'm here I'm you know and some I'm in Wisconsin here it is boom he also announced a partnership an ownership stake in Chelsea women's football club it seemed to so Yanis use the trade deadline and his name being in the news as a setup for a whole marketing rollout on partnerships that were trotted out not even 48 hours after the NBA trade deadline that is with intention that is an obvious conflict of interest and I want to get into what it is that Tony was saying about ruined legacy because I don't believe that this will stick to him in any meaningful way no matter how mad Miami people are that they did not get him but when we talk about some of the stuff going on with gambling markets in general and how much we don't know about the behavior of some of our athletes and where they're conflicted I don't know if you guys have seen Emmanuel class a the Guardians closer was as good a closer as there was in the sport now the numbers are he manipulated 48 games like there were 48 games where he was throwing it's a lot more than people thought he was really terrible last year didn't make any sense that he was terrible because he's a dominant closer so he's never going to play baseball again okay that is he's he's going to get banned for life and that news comes out as Yassiel Pueg who came from Cuba and was an uncommon phenom in baseball he now faces 20 years in federal prison because of his involvement in gambling in Los Angeles that he was doing privately he wasn't even doing it through any of these regulated or unregulated sources and then lied to federal investigators so now he's facing 20 years you're talking about somebody who was a Dodger superstar somebody who was a legitimate baseball phenom now faces 20 years when you say ruined legacy guys on this I don't believe anyone's talking about this I have heard no one never mind ruined legacy on Yannis I've heard no one talking or caring about the the conflict that you guys are talking about which is you can't do what he just did like that's not something that should be allowed to happen quietly that's not something that should be allowed to happen with people not noticing it people shouldn't notice Bill Belichick's girlfriend shirt more than they notice this particular conflict and when we talk about foreign players when I talk about Emmanuel Klause Yassiel Pueg Yannis onto to couple when they come to this country they have to live by our rules but what are the rules here the stuff's not governed like what what are the rules when the president of the United States okay he's taking $500,000 from the 500 was 500,000 or 500 million I don't even know what it was some ridiculous fee that he was taking that he says he doesn't know about because his sons are involved in it and it involves giving away AI information in exchange for that money because everything's compromised now it doesn't matter what's regulated what's not regulated rules don't matter anymore. No one's talking about set up the conflict again so that people understand who don't understand there was plenty of advertising for this during the Super Bowl because unregulated gambling unregulated gambling is what they call it futures markets dance prediction market it's a prediction market predictions are largely unregulated and there look LeBron has a marketing partnership with draft Kings Kevin Durant has done stuff with ownership stakes and in the betting space but prediction markets and platforms that are totally dedicated to prediction markets this is something new that the NBA is dealing with there hasn't been a precedent I don't think for somebody that has a stake in a soul prediction market platform and to have it all roll out by the deadline is crazy and it seems like did this not go through some sort of compliance with the NBA a partnership like this cannot be taking the NBA by surprise which is why I'm stunned at the timing because if the NBA knew about this and it cleared their checks and balances the optics of this given everything that's going on with salary cap circumvent circumvention in that league are terrible it's terrible optics because you're looking at what happened with this trade and the honest pursuit and you could very clearly see now now that it's over that now you're just kind of manipulated this a little bit the narrative around his actual departure wasn't the truth it's not going to stick to him though ruin legacy you guys are getting carried away with that like you guys can share Jeremy you can shake your head all you want this how do you have this sticking to him I'm telling you like a lot of people felt differently about him over the last 48 hours after that then they did before fans no I know NBA people in the way NBA Internet reacted to this people calling for him to be in prison over what just happened in the manipulation of these markets like and I'm talking about like reputable people I'm not talking about like random heat fan one two three I'll determine how reputable he put you on the spot there name somebody who said that's not gonna be imprisoned I'll go grab the name I feel I feel for Jeremy here because you just cornered him I'm surprised you didn't say with the marbles in your mouth. To be fair though how do you know the Don Lebatard John can you rate my Al Pacino from that billyard scene in Carlitos way if I do it for you I think it's pretty good. Yeah, okay. Stugats. You think you're big time? You're gonna die. Big time. That is on my infamous scale of one to ten. That's a that's a 7.6 solid job. Good job. Good job. Good job. Good job. This is the Don Lebatard show with the Stugats. Go ahead. You want to be why do we need to be fair? We're scorned by Janice. Let's wear our bias on our sleeves. What I was gonna say outside of the couch. We're calling for jail trying to figure out who that is. That is an official position of the scorned heat fan is we're calling for jail. At least wait two weeks before you spit in my face with cash like if this happened like next week. All right. Not as painful as the next day and less shady. Can I tell you who should be in jail? I'm being serious here. Who's that? The head coach of the Utah Jazz. Will Hardy. You see what happened on Saturday night? I'm being serious now. No, this is a good segment. I did not see what the Utah Jazz. I'm being serious. Really? So Saturday night. Hold on before you get any further just I love the amine stat of three years ago. The Utah Jazz had the single worst defensive season of any team ever topped only by what they did the next season two seasons ago topped only by what they're doing this season. That's why he should be in prison. Okay, but continue. So I'm gonna enter some more evidence into the case. All right. So the Utah Jazz like they traded for Jaren Jackson Jr. Last week. It's clearly looking toward the future. All right, but they they still they're still tanking. Okay, because their pick is protected if it's one through four. If it's five through nine, they have to give it up. I think maybe to the Clippers, but it's protected one through four. So they still want to lose. Okay, the Utah Jazz on Saturday night. They're playing at the Orlando Magic. The Jazz were up by seven going to the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter, Lori Markinon who had 27 points through three quarters did not play a single second in the fourth quarter. Good player. Jaren Jackson Jr. who had 22 points through three quarters did not play a single second in the fourth quarter. Starters use of Nirkic and Keontae George also did not play a single second in the fourth quarter and predictably the Orlando Magic came back and won the game 120 to 117. So let me ask you something. You know when when John T. Porter purposely comes in with unders under points under rebounds. This is a federal fence because he is manipulating gambling odds. The Utah Jazz head coach here not before the game or they listen where we're trying to tank. So we're going to sit guys and they're going to play and if they win, they win if they don't they don't things were not going the way that the Utah Jazz wanted through three quarters because they want to lose games. So in the middle of the game, the head coach decided to make strategic moves to ensure that the team loses. That's not point shaving. They said before the game that Keontae George would be on a minute's restriction, but nobody else that is that isn't that the definition of point shaving? You're making strategic in game decisions to make sure that a specific outcome losing happens. That's point shaving. Look, I usually think you're a sucker. You're dead on this. How is this okay? Look, this is what we're discussing. This is what this hour is. How is any of this okay? Jordan Hudson. How is this okay? Yana's being having conflicting conflict of interest with the predictions market. How is this okay? And also the Utah Jazz losing on purpose. How is this okay? Jeremy did find some support online. He found someone asking openly is this okay? Yes, reputable og and a nobie addict at playoff found and why? Wait, read that again. Yeah, og and a nobie addict. No, I was like, layoff found and why K asks. How is this legal? Not reputable. No, he's made the ruling. There is an MLB journalist that had questioned how it's not manipulating. I want to throw under the back. Well, June Lee. Yeah, June Lee. He's on that beat. June Lee's all about like how gambling's taken the joy away from sports. I don't know, man. When when Henderson got that catch at the hand, your boy was pretty happy. When AJ Barnard scored that first touchdown, Dan, I was elated. Just needed a half a rushing yard from JSN. You got a defensive touchdown to what did that pay? What is the defensive touchdown? No, no, I'm not asking you how much you bet. I'm saying was a seven to one 10 to one. What does it pay for a deal? What were the odds on a because I think Damashak said I was thinking about Damashak because he said it was 11 to one of odds that you get for a safety and and they were pinned inside their five yard line and the one like the ingredients were perfect to get a safety given will Campbell was out there. They can't block anybody and it's the number one defense pinned pinning the Patriots inside of their six yard line three different times. That would have paid 11 to one. But what did a defensive touchdown? Can you guys look at 850? It's very good. And I got AJ Barnard's plus 750. So Smith and jig believes that game and it doesn't even end up mattering because of how it is that the Seahawks and Collins were it saw it early, right? It's three nothing middle of the first quarter. He's like, Oh, this is all this is going to be a defensive game like that. There's going to be no answer for what's presently happening out on the field at any point from the Patriots. But did you guys on the commercials? We have not talked about the commercials. It's the only time at any point in the year that anyone talks about or pays attention to commercials and I I thought that the Goodwill. What was it? The good will Duncan commercial that that was going to feed a certain demo for the nostalgic among you. You know, they bring out Ted dancing from cheers and they make him look young. They made all these people look the age they were when they were in the 90s. The whole the whole commercial was meant to feed the demo of did you love this stuff back in the 90s 30 years ago? So it's a commercial for old people and it's summoning parts that a whole generation of people don't even know Ted dancing as the bartender from cheers. Like they don't I don't even know if they necessarily watch friends, although it plays on commercials everywhere. I also didn't understand why they wouldn't get Matt Damon given that he was in the last Duncan commercial with Affleck and Belichick and Jordan Hudson. Why did they get? Why did they have Ben Affleck playing the role of Matt Damon when they could have just gotten Matt Damon who didn't participate in the commercial at the end of the commercial? There was a little disclaimer that said like back in the 90s there was a real leading man who played will hunting in a movie that was very popular like trying to appeal to Gen Z in that respect. I would have really loved this commercial if they didn't D age these guys. They would have looked exactly how they look now, but with the wigs and as opposed to the stupid like why are we doing the CGI to try to D age these people? It's so stupid. None of us want to see all of this like AI manipulating all of it. I'll tell you. It's frustrating. Speaking of the CGI that Jurassic Park CGI awful. I didn't like it. All left me uncomfortable with aging. I'm with you. That looked bad. Although I did enjoy the nostalgia of the commercial. Did anyone have more commercials than Jeff Goldbloom? Did any one person have more commercials? I know this is backstreet boys. Yeah, how thrilled were their agents when all those emails started rolling in? I actually thought the karaoke one for Coinbase was pretty pretty good. That one got the attention of our room. My entire can get anyone to shut up, but everyone started singing when that one came on. Yeah, and because of that, my entire Super Bowl party started booing when it ended up being for freaking Coinbase. Like everyone's so excited. Oh, carry on. What is this going to be? Coinbase? Really? What's your deal? You don't like crypto. We get it. What's your deal? Was Denny's you would have been good? Like it pairs. Yeah. Mike Tyson. Denny's would have been fine for him. Grantslam. Mike Tyson did a commercial for healthy eating and there has been in the history of I'm going to say American sports and American marketing never been someone like Mike Tyson. You can never have a convicted rapist be in commercials for your things. That's not something that's ever been so he navigates a space that no one is. No one in the just he's that famous and that recognizable that the Q rating is somehow like you guys say that this is going to ruin Yanis's legacy. There are some legacies that are so large that they're almost not ruinable with little things and not that being in prison for rape for three years is a little thing. But his life is so crazy throughout that somehow that is a spot on it. That's not the lead spot and can somehow get erased over years somehow in a way that doesn't totally make sense to me because there's never been someone in the history of marketing who gets to occupy this particular space. He was in a terrible space and you know what put him over the hangover like that movie put him over back into the good graces of everybody in society. But convicted rapist doesn't ever get to be spokesman for commercial things during the Super Bowl and no one and there's not even a public objection and someone who's generally well liked. Well it's because of what Tony is saying it's because the the hangover all of a sudden he went from menacing to being somebody in a comedy that we can laugh with and was making fun of himself but again convicted rapist and not just convicted rapist but told me one time yeah I was more comfortable there than I was on the outside like I didn't want to actually leave my life was better in there than it is on the outside because I got a bunch of people grabbing a whole bunch of stuff that I want on the outside and on the inside nobody messes with me and I could just be alone and my life is easier. What were the top three commercials though by consensus like the good will Duncan commercial was one of them was it not and I understand Tony making a face because it was for a demo and it's not Tony's demo like I knew a couple of guys but then after that I was like okay whatever there were two others that I really liked I like the NFL tight end prostate commercial yes that was very funny and the Budweiser the Budweiser one was the best one with the Clydesdale and then the Eagle with free bird playing in the background and they had the Eagle coming over the horse I was like oh you didn't stand up and cheer when when everybody should be careful. What else Roy do you have any nominees do the rest of you have any nominees for the commercials that people were talking about yesterday because no good word Duncan was the best one for me I believe Ben Stiller Benson Boone see the following off the stage is funny yeah but the thing about that commercial and I always have an objection to this because I do very little in the way of retention I'll remember your commercial but not necessarily what you were advertising because the commercial the commercial is so far afield like Ben Stiller as dodgeball rock star who's getting you know it's the car who yet but you don't remember because it has nothing to do with it's a car it doesn't have anything to do with anything it's just a commercial you remember but you don't remember the product as it relates to marketing finally though and I'm glad bad Bunny has a quicker video team than the one that we have we have located the Bob Kraft audition that was his greatest public shame before the massage parlor Hi I'm Ricky Lander and I'm auditioning for Mary Elena. Okay, yes that is burned in my memory you can stop now.