#701: The New Monroe Doctrine Is Here with Mel Mattison

You've had a dynamic where money has become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven. I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor. I mean, that's part of the bull case for Bitcoin. If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. Addison, we meet again for a look forward in the year that is 2026. Great to have you back, sir. Great to be back. I've been really looking forward to this one. I have as well, especially after the weekend. We wanted to record this before Christmas or between Christmas and New Year's, but you were on a trip, and sometimes destiny just works out in certain ways. We have a lot more to talk about today, I would imagine, than we did a week ago or two weeks ago even, and that is because of the events happening in Venezuela over the weekend and into this week, the Trump administration going in, four-hour mission taking out Maduro and basically waving the flag. There is a new Monroe Doctrine. We're going to own the Western Hemisphere. And I think my favorite meme that's coming out of this is that what is international or rules-based order? What is international law? It doesn't even exist. Exactly. I mean, that's absolutely right. I think the rules-based order was essentially a scam put in place by the United States post-World War II to give a structure to enforce what we wanted. That started to fall apart. So we're no longer enforcing it. So it basically means nothing. I think even if you go back to a lot of people talking about de-dollarization right now and this just incentivizes people, um my take and and i think the consensus take is like what really accelerated it was the seizing of russian assets uh post the ukrainian invasion my take is that those russian assets would have never been seized if the powers that be didn't recognize that this whole de-dollarization thing was already in play and that the reason it didn't happen before 2022 is because there was still this sense that the dollar, the post-Bretton Woods system could work. I think by 2022, the powers that be realized, it couldn't work. And so it's like, what the hell, let's seize the Russian assets, these countries, the BRICS, everybody. The jig is up on that. The train's left the station. You're not going to accelerate de-dollarization by this stuff. Like that kind of modus operandi is in effect at as high of a volume as I think the powers that be in places like China and Russia feel comfortable with because they don't want to scare or flood the market and then, you know, ruin their own asset value. So I think they're already moving as quickly as possible. So I don't think this speeds it up. I don't think the Russia seizure speeded it up. I think it was in place, and the reason we seized the Russia assets was because it was the de-dollarization plate. That was already done. And the rules-based order is done. All this is done. We're in a multipolar world now with three great powers, and the decisions that need to be made need to be made based on national security, national interest, economic stability. I mean, these are the driving forces, and that is, to me, what led to this weekend's activities. Yeah, and it was really interesting to see what happened in Venezuela over the weekend, particularly after the national security strategy was released last month. And the NSS is something that I never really paid attention to, but enough people were making noise about it that I read the whole thing, and it made a lot of sense to me. Let's get away from these forever wars in faraway lands. across the oceans. It's focused on the Western Hemisphere and create economic partnerships with people throughout Central and South America, and then economic partnerships with people abroad where it makes sense, but we really want to bring it home. And I was actually at an event in Dallas last month with a high-ranking ex-military official who was saying, ah, he was like hand-waving at it, like, don't worry, nobody takes these national security strategies seriously or they're never really implemented in the way in which they're sort of written. But here we go, less than a month or two months after they released their national security strategy, and it seems like they're trying to implement it, a new Monroe Doctrine, the Don-Roe Doctrine, as Donald Trump was calling it earlier this week. I think even taking a step back and looking at it broader, it actually goes back to exactly what we talked about a year ago when we were sitting here post-election, prior inauguration. And I was saying like raise cash, buy puts, because I think the market's underestimating how bold and kind of unconventional Trump will be. And he's going to do some things. I called it my sour cream and salsa philosophy, that he had some negative things that would cool the economy that he wanted to do. And also that he was going to do things that people that thought Trump 2.0 was going to be more or less a revamp of Trump 1.0 were not reading the room. that this this guy and and these are not like political things like I'm I'm not a big fan of Trump I'm not a hater of Trump I just want to read the room and try to see where markets and things are going and I think what people misread about him was like this guy really sees in his head that he is a historical figure I mean I think Gingrich Newt Gingrich said something about him being the third greatest president from a historical perspective after Washington and Lincoln. And Trump didn't like that. Like that's the type of ego we are dealing with. And if you think that somebody with that type of an ego is not willing to push things to places that people don't expect, you're not reading the room. I think this guy is even going to get bolder. Like last year, I said, look, he's going to do some bold things that are going to freak people out and there's going to be market turmoil in the first half, but it's going to be a buying opportunity. I actually think the exact opposite is at play right now. I think we had three months of basically nothing in equity markets. You can go back to October. We're basically where we were on the S&P. Bitcoin's been disastrous in the last three months. I messed up that call because I was totally bullish when it got around 98. I was like, we're going to bounce from here. But I think what's happened is people have now pulled back and what they're doing is they were a little afraid because of what happened in the last three months and they're not seeing what's going to happen in the next six months and that while last year there were people including like tom lee who were like very bullish on 2025 great first half but watch out for the second half i was saying actually watch out for the first half we're going to have you know a great second half or and i think the opposite is true this year where a lot of people are like 2026 is going to be a great year but be careful in the first half but then in the second half things are going to do better i i'm actually worried about the second half as we get closer to the midterms i think this first half and i think everything that's been happening um in just the first two trading days of the year are supporting this is that this first and second quarter of this year are going to be incredible i think crypto is going to be amazing. I think Bitcoin is going to be outperform gold this year. I mean, we're getting ahead of ourselves with some of these predictions, but I think there's a foundational basis for it that is rooted in what is happening right now globally, geopolitically. And it has to do with the fact that people are starting to realize the rules of the game are being slightly rewritten. And while there's high risk involved in this, if it kind of threads the needle, and I always talked about, there's this needle to thread. Things can work out in a pretty positive way. And so far, I think they are. And I think there's a lot of people that are just doom and gloomers out there. I'm always the ex-doom and gloomer. I'm like, be optimistic. At the end of our last call, even given everything that happened, I looked at the transcript yesterday. I'm like, what did I say at the end of the last call? I'm like, well, we'll probably be sitting here in three months and the S&P will be somewhere around 68, 6900 and up 4% or 5% from where it was when we did our last call and there'll be volatility and sure enough here we are you know exactly where i said we were so and i i think this is still going to go on and we're climbing this wall of worry people don't want to believe it they don't want to think this is going to work they think we're heading for a disaster they think a financial crash is coming and i think once those people start to capitulate and say oh no this is all figured out that is going to be the big sell time but i i don't think we're there yet i don't think we're even close Well you mentioned a few things there Threading the needle, he's going to get bolder And I think Building on what you just said A lot of our ongoing conversation over the last couple years Has been okay, if he's going to thread the needle Let's think of the positives What can happen, let's bring it back to Venezuela And just use this example Of what happened over the weekend And what's continuing to unfold now And basically paint the picture of how This can be extremely positive For the U.S. from an economic perspective from a geopolitical strength perspective and what it means moving forward for the U.S. economy in the Western Hemisphere. I mean, I think it makes a lot of sense. I think it's very smart. I think it's an asymmetrical risk that was worth taking. And I think it still has yet to play out. So when you take an asymmetrical risk, it's like taking a trade. You're like, you know, buying futures and you're like, oh, I think we could go down a percent. I'll put my stop there. But I think we're ready to break out for a 5 percent move. And you're like, OK, I got five to one X. I think that's the type of trade this was for Trump was like, look, and I know there's some conspiracies out there that this was actually all prearranged with Maduro. and he wanted an escape route that would allow him to kind of deny giving into the U.S. and they're going to come up with a bunch of legalities that allow him to get out of there. I don't know. I'm not even getting into all of those. But what I do think is that the move to secure the Venezuelan resources was a great move. I don't think that this has anything to do with international law or fentanyl. I think obviously those are smokescreens. I think this is the realization that Venezuela has probably the greatest concentration of natural resources in our hemisphere and perhaps one of the greatest on the entire planet. and that Russia and China were worming their way in to be in control of those resources and that allowing that to happen would be akin to allowing Russia to dominate critical minerals. It's like shame on me once, you know, like fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And I think we watched China go around the world and dominate critical minerals and then put us over a barrel when they needed to. And we said they're getting ready to go into Venezuela and get their hands on that. And in these shale reserves in the Permian, you can look at them. They're going down. The ROI you need, if there's a Permian basin hole opened up and you put all that money in, Like the marginal cost to pump it out is like 10, 15 dollars a barrel. So nobody's going to shut down and open, you know, fracking well right now. But at the price of oil, there's not much incentive to open up a bunch of new fracking opportunities because you need like 60 dollars a barrel to break even. So and that's been going down. And, you know, there is a great piece that got like three and a half million views from Sky News that basically just spelled out the different types of crude, the light, the medium, the heavy, and talked about how, you know, these fracking wells produce light crude. Light crude comes out of the ground almost clear, almost like a smoothie in some cases. And they have pictures on it on this if you want to see it. But basically, it's not the heavy crude. And a lot of people, they're talking about two things. Number one, they're saying Venezuela doesn't have the reserves they claim to have. So they're saying those were jacked up post-GFC. I saw an analyst on Bloomberg this morning say Venezuela doesn't really have the reserves they claim to have. They claim 300 billion barrels. it's more like a hunt only a hundred billion like a hundred billion is nothing and it's like the u.s known reserves are like 45 billion okay so even if you go and you cut their estimates by you know two-thirds you're still at twice all of the u.s reserves even if it's only a hundred billion then they say it's well it's a heavy crude well heavy crude is what used to come from places like California when we actually drilled there. And most of our refineries in the U.S. are set up to manufacture heavy crude. So even though we produce more oil every year than we use, we have a huge amount of exports of oil and a huge amount of imports. And what do we do? We export the light crude and we import the heavy crude. There's only three countries in the world with large reserves of heavy crude, Canada, Russia, and Venezuela. We're kind of tapping out our exports of Canadian heavy crude. We're obviously not importing heavy crude from Russia. So there's only one other source of heavy crude out there, and it's Venezuela. And that's what we need for our refineries. And you can't just, you know, flip a switch in a refinery and say, okay, so if we need heavy crude, like that's what we need is heavy crude, the exact type of oil that's there. They've got 100 billion barrels at the lowest estimate I've ever heard. And at the highest, it's over 300 billion barrels, which is six plus times the U.S. reserves. They've got massive amounts of gold. They've got critical minerals that we also need. And so I think what the Trump administration did was they said, look, we've got the perfect smokescreen, the fentanyl, Maduro is already indicted. Enough of this stuff of going to the Middle East. Venezuela has more reserves than Iran and Iraq combined. We're going to secure these reserves here. This is going to be a total resource grab, not make apologies for it. I don't think Trump made apologies for it. I think then on Sunday when people like Rubio went on the shows, they tried to make apologies for it. But I think Trump was pretty clear on Saturday in that press conference, like this is basically about the oil. Yeah. And I think people, I don't even know if they forget. I don't even think they even understand from first principles before Chavez took over 26 years ago. I mean, what was Exxon Chevron BP essentially built the oil and gas infrastructure within Venezuela. And there was this beautiful symbiotic relationship between Western ONG companies and the country of Venezuela. And as you mentioned, we have these refineries in the Gulf of America that can refine this heavy crude. And I think it's a win, win, win for everybody around, not only Americans, but Venezuelans as well. They're able to get their dictator out of office. And again, like you said, it's early days. Who knows how this is going to play out? But I think we should try to be optimistic. Like hopefully there can be an incredibly positive outcome from this in terms of Venezuelans getting their freedom back and reinvigorating that market around the oil and gas industry specifically. And then so that's the economic side. Then you have the geopolitical side where you basically show up in force and say, hey, China, Russia, this is our part of the world. We're taking control. We're going to own this relationship with Venezuela. And so you curb that. You lock down those sea lanes. And then the economics plays into the geopolitical as well because if you're able to refine and use that crude and keep oil prices relatively low, that's a huge bargaining chip with Russia on the geopolitical stage. Yeah, exactly. And I think, I mean, for me, there's like a couple of things I don't like. Like I don't like trying to nitpick, you know, international law on these things. I think, you know, as I mentioned in the beginning, we're kind of beyond that. But I also think like, yes, there are some positive side effects of this for the Venezuelan people and different things. but at the end of the day i think even if there weren't it still is a good idea because i think you have to kind of look at the world differently than say 2005 when the u.s was like a dominant unipolar like there's now kind of teams right and it's kind of like i think this is a great win for like our team like the kind of western european japan certain countries south america like and I think it was important enough that it deserved the risk. And I think that this amount of resources and this oil, if we can secure it, and I think there's still a lot of ifs in there. And I think, you know, it's still to be determined whether or not this big asymmetrical bet is going to pay off. I don't like rah-rah stuff. I don't like, oh, the U.S. military is invincible and we can do whatever we want. There are limits to military power, even though I think we have the greatest military. There are limits. So we've seen that in Iraq and Afghanistan. So this is not a fate to complete deal that this is going to work out well. It's still extremely early. But I think the broad strategic viewpoint is more of like, look, we have adversaries around the world that are clearly grabbing resources. China, the Belt and Road Initiative, what they're doing in Africa, what they've been attempting to do in South America. We also still have an economy that is very dependent on petro products. I think in the long run, it makes sense to get away from those, not necessarily for environmental reasons, but for independence reasons. It would be great if we could power everything in America from nuclear and solar and wind, not necessarily to save the planet, although that could be a great side benefit, but just because we don't want to keep having to go into the Middle East or needing to do these things in Venezuela. Ideally, in an ideal world, it'd be like whatever people want to do in South America, let them do. But unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world. We live in the real world. And this real world is still very dependent upon energy. And the US shale boom is not likely to continue. It's not likely to continue to grow. And in fact, it might even begin to decline. And we had a kind of regular oil boom with the Rockefeller era and everything, and we became dominant in it. And then that declined. And we wound up in the 1970s. We wound up in stagflation. We wound up with gas lines. We wound up in a big heap of trouble, basically in a horrible decade and economically and i think what people are looking at in the deep state um and i think trump might even be like kind of more like about the fentanyl and the drugs things than people realize but i think there's also people in the cia and the deep state and the nsa that are saying hey these resources are important like we we need to if not you know get control of them we need to at least stop them falling into the total control of china and russia which is what was happening. I mean, that is basically what's been going on. I didn't mention this before, but like, you know, my wife's family is originally from Colombia, but a number of her sisters wound up moving to Venezuela in the 60s. And my wife has cousins and aunts and people that live in Caracas. My wife's aunt was woken up at 2 a.m. by the bombing. I mean, they're there. They know what's going on. When my wife heard the news, I mean, she came downstairs like it was Christmas morning. I mean, Venezuelans and people in that region are very, very happy about this, and that's a great side effect. But I don't even think you need to justify it by that. I think you can justify this by what happens if the entire kind of global economic system begins to collapse. And I think you can justify expansion of the Federal Reserve balance sheet to ridiculous amounts to absorb treasuries I think you can justify actions like this because we seen what happens when the world financial system begins to collapse it the biggest one happened in recent memory in the 1930s and it led to the rise of hitler it read it led to world war ii and i think people that think oh well that's being crazy and you're you're making a bunch of leaps here and i i i honestly don't i think in a way going into venezuela might wind up saving millions of lives in Africa. And it's like, well, how does that happen? Because if we can keep the economic and the world order going in a way that actually gets gas to pumps and banks don't collapse and the system doesn't collapse, you really drastically lower the chances of a World War III, of regional conflicts in places like Africa, because it's always the poorest people who are hit hardest. Then they start starving. Once people start starving, they're willing. So you want to keep this whole system of like 8 billion people somehow getting food, energy, everything they need to survive. You really want to keep this system going because if it breaks down, it's going to be a big disaster. And I'm not talking about like, you know, 5,000 people killed. I'm talking about millions. You know, I'm talking about World War II. I'm talking about like billions of people on the line if the entire world order just collapses into absolute chaos. Sup freaks, this rip of TFTC was brought to you by our good friends at BitKey. 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It's like, hey, we're able to produce oil cheaply. We're keeping the price of oil down, which is a base input of the economy to a great extent. And so you can sort of hedge that inflation risk or the monetary inflation risk. And then another thing I wanted to add on, too, I'm not a big rah-rah. I got into Bitcoins. I'm very anti-war. But I think another thing, and we can maybe end it on this, the Venezuela topic, but, like, another thing that really pleased me was, like, setting the precedent. And I guess this was the second precedent after Iran in the summer of, like, hey, we don't need to boots on the ground, be in these places for weeks, years, decades, even. We can get in and out in four hours and accomplish what we want to, which I think is an incredibly strong precedent. Say, hey, if Trump was able to do this, why do we need to going forward if you get another president? So we don't need to get in a forever war. If you really want to accomplish this, he was able to do it in four hours. Why can't you? Yeah, it's showing the way they're handling it now is really showing that they learned some lessons and took them to heart. I think, you know, a lot of people, including my wife, Sam, she's like, why is the U.S. kind of talking to this Delce Rodriguez? Like, she's a total chavista, doesn't like her. She's the vice president who took over. And it's like, the U.S. doesn't want to go down there, right? I mean, yes, on the one hand, we want to help the Venezuelans. We want to turn this into a free market economy and democracy, but that's not the primary goal. Rubio stated as much directly in the news shows this past Sunday. The primary goal is, I think, U.S. national energy security, U.S. national interests. Side goals are the narco trafficking stuff. And then tertiary is like, let's help the Venezuelan people. So I think we want to do that. That's the ultimate goal is like, let's try to get there. But ultimately, at this point, it's like, look, if she's willing to keep the military and the state security apparatus in line, but also play ball with us, okay. And I think what we're doing is we're giving her some time to decide what she wants to do. I think if she doesn't play ball, that the U.S. is committed. And I think Donald Trump also said this, if we have to put boots on the ground, we will. So they've learned the lessons. They don't want to do this. And I don't think it's a good idea to do it but again i like my read on this is that this is such an important strategic move much more important in my opinion than iraq or afghanistan that i think the the decisions has been made at the highest levels that we're willing to take this where we need to take it and hopefully and i think this actually is my base case the people in venezuela will realize that and realize it's resistance is futile you know to use like a star trek term like like if if we say okay i'm going to be the new maduro and i'm going to give the finger to the u.s and like i don't think the u.s is going to let it die and and i think if they realize that that there is a chance to once again thread this needle without having to put a bunch of marines on the ground or do that type of operation, which, you know, is great. And I think one of the things, one of the worries I have going forward for longer term is just if that does work out, like you're starting to get some good results from the Trump administration and you have to also guard against good results, just like you do if you're a trader, you start having a bunch of wins. You have to be careful not to start thinking, you know, everything that's going on. I did a little bit of that this year. I had such a great beginning of the year. I made some bigger bets than I probably should have around the third quarter. You see this in world history, where people have successes. They do what people told them is impossible. They get away with it. Hitler did this. People told him, don't go into Czechoslovakia. You're going to get killed. Don't go into Austria. You'll get killed. Don't go into Poland. You'll get killed. Don't go into France. You'll get killed. He kept doing everything that his advisors and generals told him not to do, and it kept working out great. Eventually, he said, I'm going into Russia, right? Soviet Union was their allies in the beginning of World War II. And he said, I'm turning on them. He got killed. Napoleon, same type of situation. So what the Trump administration really needs to guard against is getting too cocky and thinking that, okay, things worked out pretty good in Iran. So far, things working out pretty good here in Venezuela. Let's do Cuba. Let's do Mexico. Let's just keep going. And so I think there are risks out there. Like, I'm not like, oh, this is a done deal. Mark is going to skyrocket. Like, there are risks out there. And that's the wall worry I think markets are going to climb in 2026 is where is this all going? And where does Trump, you know, kind of draw the line on what he's able to accomplish? Yeah, because on top of all this, you have this tension between domestic and external forces where there's obviously another big headline over the last two weeks is this Medicaid fraud being laid bare, not only in Minnesota, But across the country, many people are asking, why are we even paying taxes if it's becoming abundantly clear that billions, tens of billions, potentially hundreds of billions, maybe trillions over the course of many years is simply going to people who aren't working or contributing to the system at all. And there is a palpable sort of anger and a desire for the Trump administration to be more strong willed in terms of their domestic policy, immigration specifically. Yeah, I mean, we've we've got this. I mean, we've got so many balls in the air right now. I think that that's really what markets are trying to figure out. Like they're looking at all these things are looking at how do we make sense of the job market? And we haven't even talked about AI yet, which is obviously huge and in the background of everything that's going on. So it's like how is that affecting the job market? How is that affecting the economy? And we're seeing these huge nominal GDP numbers. I think it was like 8% last quarter. We've got almost no employment growth in GDP going through the roof, earnings going through the roof, margins going through the roof. and and people are like they're looking at this and they're like this is not what we've seen before and this this goes i think all the way back like like i said what we talked about last year is that these are not normal times the we're in an era whether we recognize it or not because maybe we're living through it it's harder to recognize but we're going through a very historic area we're going we're going through an area that you know 50 100 years from now people will look back on and And they'll be like, this was an extremely transformative time for the world, for the globe, with a lot of ramifications from technology, from geopolitics, from just everything that's going on. And so it's really kind of astounding, really, when you look at market behavior. And I think it's not surprising to me to see precious metals have the year that they have. I've long been a big precious metals bull. I've always said that's where I started before even I thought about Bitcoin. I was a big precious metal guy. I mean, I literally have like, you know, my hundred ounce bar of silver that I bought for like eleven hundred bucks, which is now like eight thousand. You know, like precious metals are a big part of my investment philosophy, my core position, as well as Bitcoin. What's happened with Bitcoin in the last quarter has been confounding to me. To me, it's like this was a great opportunity. But when I look back on it, what I think of is that what Bitcoin has been responding to in the last three months is Bitcoin is not a NASDAQ correlated asset. Bitcoin is not a gold correlated asset. Bitcoin is like a global liquidity correlated asset. And I think there was a pulldown in liquidity in the fourth quarter. I think if you look at the September monthly treasury statement, we actually ran a surplus for the U.S. government. Then we went into the government shutdown, which, you know, kept funds at bay. We have had we were still running QT until December. And I think you had this global liquidity drain that essentially collapsed high momentum things. things, you know, you know, the quantum names, the nuclear names, any kind of quash crypto and Bitcoin. And that's just one of three things that happened. The other thing was the October 10th liquidation in crypto, which are market makers. And then you kind of have the digestion of some of the things that were perhaps hoped for in the beginning of the year not coming to fruition, The Clarity Act not getting passed, the Strategic Wealth Fund where it was talked about. There was a report that was given to the White House 90 days after Trump signed the executive order, and it talked about the difficulty to create this Strategic Wealth Fund without congressional approval and how they were going to do things through these really shady defense investment funds, and that's what they've been doing for things like Intel. So a lot of these things that were expected kind of collapsed. We had a pulldown in global liquidity. And when you look at it through that lens, actually, Bitcoin's response makes sense. It's not like, oh, the four-year cycle is here, and then that's what happened. Or, oh, Bitcoin, it's not the real deal. It's not digital gold after all, and that story is done. And it's not even, oh, it's, you know, people don't want to get into it because of quantum. I think there's a lot of those things out there right now about why did Bitcoin not have a good fourth quarter? And because it had a great third quarter. I mean, it was at all time highs in October. So like why the last two or three months it hasn't done good? I think that's why. And I think it makes sense. And I think a lot of those reasons why are changing. And that's why, you know, I'm very bullish on Bitcoin. And I don't think that while it's totally possible I'm wrong and it makes one more leg lower. I just see this as like the year to think about it as last year was a consolidation year. And this year it's going to have an excellent return. I completely agree. And I was very bullish going into last year too, obviously with the Trump administration coming in, the ETFs really catching their legs and was a bit disappointed. But I always like to zoom out. And if you zoom out, we did a – between November 21 and October of last year, we did like an 8X. It's like, okay, we can take – It's ridiculous. I mean 23 and 24 were 100% plus years, both of them. I mean then you have a 6% down year and people are like, oh, I'm worried about Bitcoin. It's like, I mean, come on. I mean, but it's good for everybody. I mean, the markets are this way, too. The markets give people opportunities like they did in April. I mean, you could have bought NVIDIA for $89 a share. In 2022, you could have bought Meadow for $89 a share. Markets give opportunities. And the thing is, when those times are there to buy, is like there's no narrative out there in the zeitgeist that reinforces buying and all the narratives out there are negative and so it's very hard for people to come on especially if they work at like a Morgan Stanley or somewhere and they come on to CNBC or something and because all the accepted narratives around Bitcoin I think were very negative into the I think frankly Bitcoin wanted to rally in December, but it didn't because it was a victim of tax loss harvesting. I mean, a couple of big things with that. Okay, this was an incredible year for almost all assets. So if you were looking for what can I sell and take a loss on, and you were somebody who maybe said, oh, I want to get in and invest in Ibit in my portfolio at $108,000, and now Bitcoin's at $88,000, You're like, let me sell my IBIT and let me harvest that loss and let me offset some of these gains. That's real money, especially if you're a wealthy person. Like your net taxes are like 40 percent. Like you could have had a hundred thousand dollar loss in your IBIT position and you sell it and you basically make fifty thousand dollars in tax loss harvesting. like it was so blatant that you basically saw the calendar flip and crypto and bitcoin take off like a rocket ship because it was there was so much selling going on at the very end of the year and then you compound onto that the fact that because bitcoin is not a stock so i i just gave the example of somebody that owned ibit if you actually own bitcoin there's no wash sale rule So, I mean, if you own NVIDIA and you sell it on December 15th and you buy it back on January 1st, the government says, no, you didn't sell it. It's a watch sale. You didn't wait 30 days. In crypto, there's no watch sale rule. People were able to literally sell their Bitcoin on December 31st and buy it back on January 1st and claim that tax loss. Like that's that's a market inefficiency. That's a tax related inefficiency that is real. that was there. And when you look at the crypto moves, and we're on January 5, and you look at where a bucket of crypto is at, it's up 20-30%. If you bought things like ADA or Virtual or Arbitron or Solana or whatever, and Bitcoin's up a lot too. But a lot of these cryptos are up 10-15, some of them up 30-40%. I think virtual protocol, which is like an AI-based coin, And I never play in these things, but I was buying them at the end of the year because I'm like, this is the beta. Like, you know, these are just short term trades playing for beta. But like and it's I'm shocked at how well they have done. Like it's it's it's ridiculous. And I mean, I don't even know. I mean, if I even just take a quick look, I mean, virtual is like ridiculous. This is just a protocol. it's up a percent today. It's up year to date or the past week. I don't know. Sorry, that was with me at Solana. Virtual is up 10.58% today. This past week, 62.9%. Okay, virtual's protocol. Crypto, tradable on Robinhood, whatever. 62% in five days. that's insane i mean it's insane i mean some of these crypto moves are ridiculous and i'm a total bitcoin believer i don't believe in these coins for long-term trades like right but i'm also a trader i want to make money and i'm like what where's where is some of the beta um and i mean people want to talk about silver or gold this year virtual is up 60 plus percent this is january 5th um now is that going to continue i don't know i mean at some point i'm going to take some profits in that thing but right now i'm i'm letting this i mean you look at solana this like 120 level on solana i mean you can go back five years and every time it gets around 120 it starts to bounce um these are like long-term levels um and what this is going to do when you start seeing returns like 62 percent people that are like oh i was playing all the beta and silver wait a minute i could have been playing this then you start getting that momo going then you start getting the activity on the exchanges this is all financial plumbing right then you started saying oh then then the trend followers come in and then people of course you know you know there's going to be a moment this year where you know the financial advisors are going to say you know what i've kind of wanted to put my clients into Bitcoin, but I was a little scared, but it went down to 80 something. Now it's at 98. You know, maybe now's the time to put a 2% allocation for my clients into it that we can maybe even leg into it. I'll put a 1% out. And this is going to start to build on it and build on it and build on it. And that's why I think, you know, what I've been saying since the beginning of last year was my next target price for Bitcoin was 150. When we hit 150, I'll reevaluate it. I think we're going to 150 in the first half of the year. We need to see what what the markets in the world looks like at that point to come up with another thing. But I think on a percentage basis, you know, Bitcoin is going to outperform gold this year. And that was my, you know, number one prediction for 2026 is Bitcoin over gold. So Freaks is what was brought to you by our good friends at Unchained, who brings you this message. Is Bitcoin risky or is ignoring it the greater risk? 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And then the fundamentals are only getting stronger, like what we're talking about with Venezuela, this multipolar world, the rules-based order going out the window and only heightens the demand for the fundamental value prop of Bitcoin as this neutral reserve asset that can't be controlled by anybody. Yeah, and I follow technicals a lot, but at the end of the day, I've seen them so much that even when you get all the signs, sometimes the market just does something else. You can look at it, and you study the RSIs, and there's a divergence here, and the moving averages are here, and the trend lines are here. I think you have to overlay the technical. I think technicals are very important, but you also have to overlay it with the fundamental story. And I think, as I said, I think the fundamental story last year was coming into the year, there's all these amazing things that are going to happen. Some of them happened. Some of them didn't. When some of the amazing ones didn't happen, then you layered on this basically liquidity rug pull from September fiscal surplus and the government shut down and basically the kind of, let's say, profit-taking ethos that I think came into the market. You know, like a lot of people that had gotten into the markets in April and May saying, hey, you know, I got a great – all these things came in. And then all of a sudden you see everything completely flip when the calendar flips. And a lot of people will come on and they'll say there's nothing special about a calendar. You know, on the one hand, they're completely right. There's nothing special about a calendar. But on the other hand, there is. Like it's kind of both. Like there are tax things that happen. There are financial plumbing market inefficiencies that happen. And I think there was a lot of market inefficiencies going on at the end of 2025 that were keeping the Bitcoin price suppressed. I think people didn't want to see it go higher. I think there was the tax loss selling, all these things. I think a lot of this just got lifted when the calendar flipped. And that's why you're seeing a completely different reaction. Now, a lot of people will say, yeah, this is just rebalancing. It's the first few days. Let's see what happens. And I would just say I completely agree. Like it's only been a few days. I'm not going to start saying that this is a long-term trend. And that's why, like I said, for some of these crypto plays, I'll probably be taking profits as we reach some of the levels that I'm looking at. Virtuals is around a buck right now. I think $114 or something was what I looked at on the technicals where I wanted to take profits. But basically, these are things that are happening. And then you look at gold. I put out a post right after Venezuela thing happened on Saturday, like this is very bullish gold, equities, Bitcoin and even bonds. And they're all up today. And I think a lot of people when this first happened wouldn't have thought that. And they might have thought gold would be up, but they might not have thought equities or bonds or Bitcoin would be up. And I think this is part of the long term strategic plan that Trump has in his mind around interest rates. and what it has to do with, and this actually is very rooted in modern monetary theory, which is that one of the key drivers of inflation is oil and energy prices. And that if you keep oil and energy prices low, you open the door for a lot of money printing, low interest rates, all this stuff. And I think that even though there's not going to be a bunch of Venezuela oil coming online immediately, from what I've read, it might be possible to get a couple hundred, two, three four hundred thousand barrels a day uh like you know fix some of the broken uh rigs and different things and you can get a little bit but venezuela used to produce four million barrels a day right now they're at under 500 000 to get them back to four million it's going to take years but you can get a little bit of supply on the market immediately and then you put that four million coming online overhang over the market and what you begin to do is you begin to control the energy price. And if you control the energy price, you kind of can control inflation. And if you can control inflation, then you open the door for all these other things that I think are going to be necessary, including massive expansion of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet. I think these $40 billion T-bill purchases are just the beginning. I think the whole idea of like foreign nations buying treasuries and that's where they go, that's done. And that basically the government is coming up with a plan to allow banks to store treasuries, to allow the Federal Reserve to expand the balance sheet. And really the Federal Reserve balance sheet is extremely, extremely low in regards to their holdings of treasuries historically, if you look at it as percentage of outstanding U.S. treasuries. So if you look at it like, oh, how many treasuries does the Fed hold? OK, well, they were at nine. Then they went down to like seven and now they're increasing again. Well, like seven trillion out of a thirty eight trillion dollar treasury market. That percentage is way low, way low. They could have 10, 12 trillion on their balance sheet. Just to get to like a historical norm of percentage of treasuries outstanding that they hold. So I think if then the consensus opinion is if you do that, that's money printing, it's massive inflation disaster. The thought process in the Trump administration is, no, it's not going to be because of A.I., deflationary forces, oil, all of this. And then if you look at some of the pundits that are saying, well, Bitcoin is down because it's the greatest smoke detector for liquidity and the liquidity era is over. And therefore, you know, you need to get out of it. What I'm saying is the liquidity area is just beginning and that this expansion, this isn't going to happen in one month or two months. It's definitely not going to happen under Powell. But over time, the next one, two, three years, we're going to see liquidity expand massively. And that's what's going to be amazing for gold, amazing for Bitcoin. It's going to be good for equities too. Well, building on this, I think another sort of needle to thread here is what is the average American consumer citizen? How are they handling this as asset prices are screaming and they're not most aren't participating in it? And what if price inflation does manifest? And a big topic of last year and one that you were pretty vocal about was tariffs. And so I think doing a retrospective on Trump's tariff plan, has it been successful? It seems like it has been massively successful. Are they going to lean into it more? And then what does that do to the revenue side or the fiscal side of the equation and the levers they can pull with income tax specifically? Well, I do think probably in the first quarter, that's probably the biggest known risk out there is that the Supreme Court comes out and in some way curtails the tariff policy, which introduces uncertainty. I do think that's holding people back. That's part of this wall of worry is there's probably a big group of people, institutional size type buyers that want to get more involved in this market, but they're holding back because of that ruling. and I think what they're hoping for is that that ruling comes out, it curtails the tariff policies, causes a sell-off. I don't think it's going to be a 20% sell-off like we had in the first quarter of, or actually it was the second quarter of last year, but I don't think that's going to happen. But could it be a 5% or 10% sell-off, which is basically what we had in November. We had a 5% to 10% sell-off, especially on the NASDAQ. I think it went down almost 8% from the highs, so and that's that's still not at new highs so i think people what people are hoping for is we're going to get a tariff surprise from the supreme not a surprise because actually most but see that's the thing most people are expecting it like so is it really going to be a surprise if the supreme court comes out i i don't know i i think it could be almost like a two three day thing where like the Supreme Court comes out, knocks down tariffs, futures drop 3%. They drop another 3% the next day. They drop another 3% the third day. And we're down 9% highest to lows. And on that third day, it just, you know, hits a bottom, like it's a total hammer wick and goes down somewhere and starts going up. And people are like, whoa, this wasn't really something to flip out about. Like, they're going to figure ways to put on tariffs. And in the meantime, it's going to actually alleviate some of the uncertainty because now Trump can't do what he did last year, which is just throw out 50% tariffs on rent. That should be a good thing for markets. So I think a lot of these things that people are worried about, I think they're real things to be worried about that could really cause some issues. But I think a lot of this is noise when you look at it through the perspective of a year. If you're a short-term trader and you're like, oh, I'm going to buy a bunch of QQQ call options because I think earnings are going to be good and the earnings do do well, but then a week before the big NASDAQ earning comes out, the Supreme Court comes out and rips the Trump tariffs and the market goes down 8%, that whole play is not going to work. So I think there's a lot of risk that people want to take right now. They're not taking it because of that overhang. The Venezuelan thing was an overhang. They knew that we had this armada out there in the Caribbean. That seems to be lessening. I think that's a lot of the reason why you're seeing a lift today. the other big overhang and it's i think bigger than venezuela is what the supreme court says my gut's telling me that what they're going to say is they're going to try to walk a fine line and they're going to curtail his powers a little bit but they're going to within their opinions give him an opening to continue to use tariffs in almost a unilateral way and that people will recognize okay he's going to have to do things maybe a different way but he's going to be able to do it and you know it could be like i said a two three day hiccup that people get freaked out about and then you know the fundamentals get are the drivers and the fundamentals are strong gdp um earnings going up productivity increasing margins increasing like like that that's what's driving these equity prices and i think the liquidity is going to come in and that's going to continue to drive gold in the Bitcoin prices. Do you think there's an overhang with the fiscal spending, again, particularly with this fraud being laid bare? I mean, there's some people throwing out stats that if you were to get rid of 50% of the fraud, you could eliminate income taxes for people making under $200,000. I think it would be very stimulative, right? Because what you would do then if you got rid of income taxes for people under $200,000 is those are the people that spend the money that they have and so you know like i i just struggle to find a way that this whole card game works out without expansion right i mean i mean this is essentially the primary basis of bitcoin right it's like the whole world is set up to expand the money supply to expand it through inflation because the whole economic system is built upon this and therefore an asset that has a fixed cap that is what it is can't be printed has real value that will over time increase and and so i think if you're betting that like we're gonna put ourselves into a deflationary cycle um you're you're wrong and i think i think if we get massive deflationary forces which some people are predicting that the response from the federal government and the Federal Reserve will be to work their damnedest to contradict those deflationary forces, which are essentially, you know, money printing, asset purchases, all of that. And so, look, I think it's going to be another year of volatility, a lot of volatility, probably more even than last year. But I think at the end, it's going to be a good year unless, unless, and this is why in my 2026 predictions, I didn't give a full year S&P target. I said, my target is we're going to hit 7,700 sometime in the first half of the year. That first half is going to be really good. I want to see where we're at with that. And I'm also a little concerned about, like I said, the midterm elections. I think what's going to happen right after that is presidential candidates coming out. And the market could look at some of these people that might start running on rolling back deregulation, increasing taxes, more of a socialist agenda. And I think the market, if it anticipates things six to nine months in advance, by the time you get to July or August, you're going to, in six to nine months from there, you're going to have a slew of Democrats out there talking about rolling back everything that Trump has tried to do these first two years. And so I think the general thought process is like there's a lot of people being held back right now because they're worried about the Supreme Court ruling. But the Republican administration is going to really try to juice things ahead of the midterm so the economy is on complete gangbusters by November. I think the economy will be on complete gangbusters by November. But the market itself is going to start anticipating that, OK, the midterms are going to be over. We've got these Democratic politicians out here talking about socialist ideas. Maybe we want to rein in the risk a little bit. And and so therefore you see a second half substantial pullback, not just a five or 10, but more of a 10 to 15 or even a 20 percent pullback in the third or fourth quarters. So is that incumbent upon Democrats taking ground in the House and the Senate? I think if that happens, it's going to probably push the rally even higher. I think if things work out really well and even if they don't necessarily keep the House and the Senate, but let's just say the Republicans lose the House but they hang on to the Senate somehow and it seems like there's a good chance that a lot of these policies are doing so well that the far left wing of the Democratic Party, becomes marginalized, that maybe the Mondami election and inauguration was like a high watermark for far left policies and that the bulk of the American people are seeing this and the prediction markets start saying most likely president next year in 2029 is J.D. Vance and that these types of policies can continue. Then I think you can get things, you know, rip roaring again. And again, this is kind of why I'm kind of hesitant to give a full year prediction, because I think, number one, it doesn't really do any good to give a 12 month prediction. If, you know, right now we're looking at what's going to happen in the next six months and then we can reevaluate it when we get there. But I think that seeing how these things shape up, that's the this whole Venezuela thing collapse on itself and turn into a big kerfuffle that is horrible. and the economy doesn't do what I think it's going to do and the Republicans are going to get killed in November and it becomes clear that it's almost a guarantee that we're going to have a Democratic president in 2029 and the market starts getting worried, well, then I might start getting worried, right? I'm not a permeable. I'm not someone that's like there's no way that things can go down. I think they definitely can. I think if they do and they're not going to stay down long. But, yeah, could there be a 30%, 40% sell-off because of stuff? Absolutely. but right now I just don't see that in any sort of base case that I'm looking at. Yeah. Let's lean into AI too. I mean, we've mentioned it a couple of times, but I'm sure you've been using it. We've been leaning into it. I've been telling people this behind the scenes. Actually, I said it on air on Rabbit Hole Recap last week too with Matt O'Dell. Like Claude's, Anthropics Claude, Opus 4.5, and Claude Code, but it feels like we're getting close to AGI. The stuff that we can build with this, the stuff that we're building with this at TFTC is insane. It's making us extremely productive, allowing us to do much more with very little CapEx, for lack of a better term, very little overhead investment in it. And it seems like this could be a massive boon, particularly for people of high agency who are actually willing to play with this stuff and experiment. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't think it's all hype. I mean, I think it's real. And I think actually there's a lot more already done. It's just a matter of it being absorbed in society. And a lot of people say the bottlenecks energy. No, the bottlenecks memory. No, the bottlenecks compute. I think the bottleneck is human nature right now. that there's already so much potential out there with AI. But when you look at like large organizations, like it's, you know, let's just imagine like your job, you work in, you know, FP&A, like financial processes, you know, and you're, you do a monthly report, you know, closing the books and everything. And you kind of look at it and you're like, okay, if I really create an agent and I get all the data in there, like basically what I spend the last week of every month doing, this thing's going to do automatically. And then it's kind of like, well, do I want to do that? Yes, I do. Do I want to share that? Do I want to tell people I'm doing it? I think there's a lot of stuff happening just with human nature that like there's all this productivity going on and companies aren't even completely recognizing it because there's a lot of workers that are just used to work 45 hours a week. Now they're working 25 hours a week and they don't want anyone to know about it. And they're like look i used to spend 25 hours putting this report together now i spend 25 minutes and nobody really knows and so i'm going to protect that so i i think there's actually so much more potential that already exists and and then you do have these bottlenecks like the com but i think that the these kind of you know speed bumps are good like organizations not fully embracing it as much as they can are good eventually they're all going to have to because other organizations are. Startups are going to come along embracing it. But I think there's a lot of speed bumps in the road, which is actually a good thing. We talked about this on one of our episodes last year where people have talked about how you need AI to come along at just the right pace. If it comes around too fast, it creates a collapse. Too slow, it's not enough productivity. I think things are coming along at a good pace. I think it's actually a good, like, it's not taking things over like overnight even though that potential is there but what's happening is if it did take good things over overnight we'd have too high of layoffs um there's also probably not enough compute out there to really get done everything that would need it to be done if it was embraced as much as its potential now entails um you have the power constraints on it and then you also have you know the memory constraints on it which is one of the reasons why one of my predictions of like uh sleeper stock was gsit uh gsi technologies which is like an sram company you know like memory is a big bottleneck on this and you've seen the dram companies and the the microns and everything take off and you know um there's ways to do a lot of the ai computing with a lot less power, a lot less latency, where you have the memory embedded in the chip, which is basically SRAM. You know, and I'm not a big technical guy, but I look into this stuff closely enough because I started looking into it after NVIDIA's deal with Grok. And I was like, why are they doing this? And what does Grok do? What do they have? And I think NVIDIA recognizes like the GPUs are great, but there are certain inference TAS that can be done more efficiently with less power with SRAM which is static random access memory instead of DRAM dynamic And you know I just looked like what like a SRAM play with a low market cap you know that has a potential for like a really big you know, 510x move, basically. And I came up with the GSI Technologies, which is like an SRAM company involved in aerospace. It's only like 158 employees. It's a $250 million market cap. is trading around six bucks a share. And I'm like thinking about it like a call option. Could definitely go to zero. Could definitely go to 60 bucks in the next day. Like let's say some company wants to buy it for 2 billion. You know, that's like a, you know, an 8X move, right? Like it's so small, it's ridiculous. That's a $250 million thing. And so far this year, it's been doing good. I think it's up 10 or 15% in the first two trading days of the year. But, you know, so there are these things out there that I think AI gives opportunities for. And, you know, there's a lot of risk involved in some of these things, but there's also just this amazing opportunity that AI is presenting. And I do think that it's eventually going to become part and parcel of everything that people do, but I don't think it's going to happen so quick that everything's going to just collapse. Yeah, that would co-sign that. I think the point that there's a ton of human potential that's untapped right now because human nature is such that they want to protect your job and not really shake the cart, if you will, is definitely out there. But there's going to be forces. I mean, you're just observing, having jumped down the rabbit hole myself, trying to teach myself and how am I teaching myself? going online and finding Zoomers that are just cracked out, building a bunch of these agent flows and skill markdown files and just highlighting how they're using it to build products and processes. And it seems like there is a portion of the younger generation, particularly Gen Z, that has really latched on to this and see it as a way to actually be successful in the economy since they can't get jobs at regular companies. And I guess that gets to something I think you've been talking about as well as this sort of changing dynamic in the workforce and who's actually going to be successful moving forward. Yeah, I mean, definitely. I think, you know, a good like corollary example of this would be like, you know, Robin Hood came out and they recognize like off of order flow and different things, we can actually run a profitable brokerage. And because of that, we're going to not charge any commissions on equity trades. and schwab and everybody's like whoa whoa whoa this this is our cash cow like we could do it too and make money off of it but they weren't going to rush to do it eventually they had to do it but they didn't rush to do it and i think that's a little bit of the situation with ai right now is people are recognizing corporations are recognizing with ai i could basically get rid of commissions in this analogy, but they don't want to do it too quick because it's either the individual's bread or butter or the corporation's bread and butter. And so there's a lot of slow playing going on. But eventually, market forces went out and eventually Schwab and all the big ones went to zero commissions on equities. And so that's what's going on with AI right now. Everybody knows that this potential is out there. It's just not happening because there are forces at play that incentivize slow rolling. Yeah. No, it's funny. I've been watching, like, one of the strategies is kids will just go out, download a massive unicorn B2B SaaS app or something like that, and just screen record the UX flow, like, go in and do everything they can and feed it to Claude and say, all right, I want you to make this app for me. And I'm just going to go out there and undercut the B2B SaaS company while Claude builds this for me in a few days. It's insane what's happening out there right now. It's insane. I mean, all this, the visual stuff, the Nano Banana, the coding. I mean, Claude Code, I mean, to be honest with you, like if I could invest in either Anthropic or OpenAI right now, I'd do Anthropic probably, you know. I think OpenAI is cut. Right. Yeah. And I'm a little nervous about them. And that's probably another risk out there is that I almost I think I said in one of my posts, maybe Brad Gessner, when Alvin said, do you want to sell your shares right now? I like maybe he should have said yes, because like, I mean, these hyperscalers are a little bit like and this is part of like where I think the market's seeing is like it's now time for AIs helping out. We've got this commodity bull run going on. We've got all this other stuff going on. And then we're starting to see this disseminate out this this type of margin increasing potential for the other four ninety three different areas of the of the global economy. And some of these massive hyperscalers have not been doing too well. I actually think they're going to have a good year because a lot of them are not at good places in the charts. like meta is not at a good place in the charts as it comes into the year microsoft isn't and so i think that in a way because of where they're they're starting position the mag 7 is probably going to help perform the spy this year but like to me that's not where the beta is that's not where the big gains are going to be it's not in buying meta or microsoft although i think they're going to have great years because of how they're coming into the year i think there's these other plays out there. I mentioned GSI tech, but that's a small one. But I think when you look at some of the bigger companies, like a Capital One Financial, one of their biggest cost items is call centers for customer service. Like, are they ever going to need to hire anybody again for customer service? And that's one of their biggest expenses. I mean, these things are going to really improve profit margins. So, I mean, all this stuff that's out there, like I said, I think it's just, it could be happening quicker if there's enough compute, enough power, and not this organizational speed bumps and individual speed bumps. And it's just, it's going to play out and it's going to be, I think, very beneficial in the long run. But it seems to be now playing out at pretty good speed, actually speed the market likes after some technical difficulties you may notice by mel's new headphones here beautiful headphones no but i think i was uh i was just asking it seems like we're in this inflection point where you have all these things intersecting at once whether it's the reshuffling of the geopolitical order bitcoin rising even though it had a bad year ai really taking off and feels like we'll be in a transitionary period for at least the next two to three years but like what's it look like after that what does what does the economy look like after that and i think you've been very optimistic in the past and i'm becoming more optimistic personally by the day i think it's going to look really good on the other side of all this if we can thread these needles yeah i mean it's it's definitely sometimes kind of hard to see the light before you know before the dawn and i think a lot of times when you kind of look out on that horizon and you see all of the massive issues that are out there and you can make a very competitive narrative a very compelling case for why you know market should collapse or you know the banking system can no longer continue the way it is but one thing i've noticed over the last 25 years is you've always been able to make that case you you you were able to make that case in 2000 You were able to make that case in 2009. You were able to make that case in 2020. There's always this kind of impending doom, this wall of worry kind of hanging over markets. And then you take a step back and you say, well, what is this all? Like, is it really just kind of a human construct or is there actually some sort of external constraint on it? And there's not really an external constraint. There's not anybody that says the Federal Reserve can't hold 15 trillion dollars on their balance sheet. There's not anybody that's saying you can't issue, you know, massive stimulus checks to get the economy going when there's a global pandemic. Like there are these exits, and I think there's a great tendency to underestimate the ability of policymakers to keep this shell game going. And all the incentives for everybody, pretty much, are to keep the shell game going. Like, is it in China's interest for the United States to have a financial collapse? Some people might say, yes, it is. But actually, it's not. like is it is it in the u.s interest for china to collapse some people might say yeah that would be great you know but what happens then you know who take like right now they're a known entity they're reasonable they have they have a nuclear arsenal do we really want them to collapse and have everything go into the hands of some madman i mean no like actually the whole balance of power and global status quo right now i think it's something we can live with we can live with three great powers. We can live with the situation we're in. And so I think everybody's incentivized to just keep this thing going. And if every single global power is incentivized to keep this thing going, why do you think it's all going to collapse? That's my question. The debt spiral. The debt spiral. It's here. Yeah, the debt spiral. Yeah, we're heading to a debt spiral, and nobody's going to be able to get us out of it. And they're not going to get together at Basel, Switzerland at the Bank for International Settlements and all the central bankers are going to be like, that's not going to happen. They're not going to get together and figure something out. And then on a Sunday night, come out with this massive stimulus plan that all of a sudden, you know, we've got the biggest bazooka you've ever seen to buy corporate debt. Like, of course, that's going to happen. And so why do you think if all those kind of band-aids in the past works to create a band-aid solution and then keep the status quo going why do you think that now this time is going to be different this is the time when the band-aid solutions aren't going to work this is the time when it's really going to all come tumbling down and i think the the smart bet is to bet that if we do get into another one of those situations that the band-aid solution they come up with will work for at least another four or five eight years and then they'll come up with another band-aid solution the next time there's another risk of system collapse. What do you say to people looking at gold and silver prices right now, saying that there's a margin call in the paper markets and the banks are in trouble? Yeah, I think they're going to have a great year. I mean, I love precious metals. I think the dollar, like I said, I think the whole dollarization world and everybody buys treasury, I think all that is done. And I think the assumption that a lot of people make is if it's done, it's going to lead to this collapse. And I don't see that. But I think we're moving to a new world order. We're moving to a non-rules based order, a multipolar world, something more akin to, say, 1900 than 2000. We're moving to a situation which, if you look at 1900, it was a gold based order. and I do think that gold is the central monetary asset of the future as it was the central monetary asset of the past that doesn't mean that bitcoin can't play a role at some point in the future but I think at this point and I've made this point before because I know there are certain people that like to say bitcoin is superior to gold in every way and I've always maintained there are aspects of gold that are superior to bitcoin there are aspects of bitcoin superior to gold One of the biggest superior aspects to gold is if you look at things through a central bank perspective is its physicality, its ability to be melted down, no ledger, no history of transactions. You can get bars from somewhere, melt it down, create new bars. Nobody knows where you got it. There are certain aspects of gold that are benefits and superior to Bitcoin for central banks and different large purchases of gold. And that's why they like gold. But could they expand to silver? Could they expand to Bitcoin? Certainly. And I think what Bitcoin offers is right now we have this situation, and I think it was Jordy Bisser talking about this in his latest video, where the largest holders of wealth right now are still that baby boomer older generation. And once that wealth transfer begins to happen, the younger generations are much more comfortable with digital assets, and they'll be much more willing to look at Bitcoin in that fashion. It's not happened yet. I think in a sense, I think Bitcoin is going through a awkward puberty right now that, you know, when it was born, it had this great growth and it was sustainable. And then like a person, when you hit puberty, you might have a growth spurt. You might have a little year where you don't do much and, you know, all these things that that happen. And with Bitcoin right now is it's still trying to find out exactly who it is. It's not exactly digital gold. It's not exactly the NASDAQ. What is it? I think it's becoming its own asset class. And that's a maturation process that is probably going to finish up at the end of the decade. And by the time that happens, I think financial people in the TradFi world will be much more comfortable with what Bitcoin is. And it becomes even more and more embedded into the way that the economy works. And this is very bullish. It's a $1.8 trillion market cap right now. I mean, all these things are so bullish longer term. But that doesn't mean that every year it's going to go up 50 percent. And I think that doesn't mean it's not going to be the best performing asset over the next five or 10 years. I think it will be. But I think it's a matter of this maturation process and people figuring out what is it. And I think it's a liquidity correlated asset. And I think the fact that it's not completely correlated with gold or the NASDAQ or the bond market is huge. Because anybody that puts together portfolios knows the most important asset in that portfolio is the one that's least correlated to the other assets. And if Bitcoin can carve out a path where it's got its own correlations, I mean, there's no reason not to put it in every portfolio in the world. And if you do that, it goes from $1.8 trillion to $18 trillion pretty quickly. Well, that's the point I was going to make too. The digital gold meme is good. I think Bitcoin is scarce, divisible, fungible, all that, and certainly has those properties of gold. But in terms of digital gold and the aspect of it being used as a central bank or nation-state reserve asset at scale, I don't think it has liquidity profile quite yet. $1.8 trillion is certainly nothing to scoff at. But when you're talking about reserves at that level, you need tens of trillions, hundreds of trillions eventually. So we're, to your point, going to that puberty stage where we've got to make that order of magnitude jump to the next liquidity stage. And if you look at that and you think, okay, neutral reserve assets need to have that type of a liquidity profile, I think that's why you're seeing gold do what it is. Like it needs an even bigger liquidity profile. In my book, Claws, basically gold and silver come in as neutral reserve assets into the central banking system. in 2027 once quantum AI kind of takes over the markets. And the estimates in my fictional book of where gold needed to be to begin that was 25,000. You know, like just looking at how much wealth is there in the world, I estimated a quadrillion worth of asset. And I said, how much does gold need to be to account for a quadrillion worth of assets? And I came up with it needs to be somewhere around $100,000 an ounce. I said, that's just too big of a leap. And in my book, the government offers a program where they start buying gold and they offer $25,000 an ounce because they know that it needs to go to like $100,000. I think the liquidity that's needed for a neutral reserve asset is so huge that people are underestimating what gold can go to. I think that Bitcoin, as it begins to play a role in this non-cash flow related neutral asset game, it doesn't need to – it's still relatively small. I mean, NVIDIA's market cap is more than twice as much of all the Bitcoin in the world. It needs to get a lot bigger than it is. It will. But I think, like I said, it's in a puberty stage right now. it's growing and it's going to have a growth spurt at some point. And when it does, it's going to skyrocket to five, 10 trillion. And people are going to be like, oh, wow, I need that. Like, this is, I think, all going to happen. It's just not necessarily happening out as fast or as quickly as people hoped. And all I have to do is look no further than that bar of silver on my desk and say, I bought that thing 20 years ago for $11 an ounce it was at. I watched it skyrocket to $50 an ounce in 2011. And then I watched it go right back to $11 an ounce in 2020. And now it's at $80. Assets don't always move at the rates that we want them to. And I'm sure everybody would love to see Bitcoin go to $500,000 next year, but I just don't think that's going to happen. All right. We've covered a lot. What haven't we covered in preparation for 2026 that you think people should be on the lookout for it i i think we covered it all i mean i think my main thing is like don't be too bearish now because of the supreme court thing and the geopolitical stuff because the time to make money is when there's that wall of worry once everybody if they hit that point like they did this past year rick reader came out best investment environment ever um john paul tudor jones uh we're in the beginning stages of a bubble this is when once those people started coming out and people believed the market could do nothing but go up that's when it went down and i think people right now they're out there saying well we think the market could have a rough first half and you know all that this is probably the time to get it and in the summer and early fall there'll probably be a point where everybody thinks this can't end and hopefully we'll be on together and i'll refer them to here and i'll say i'm taking profits now because the time to buy was in january not in july oh yeah well i can't wait for that mel congrats on a very good 2025 not perfect but very good and uh here's to uh a very good 2026 it's always fun doing these with you yes i appreciate it and sorry for the technical difficulties, but always a great time. And best to you and yours and to everybody that listens. I know I'm a little bit out there sometimes, especially with my ex posts and different things. But, you know, I just do this because I love to share it. I trade, I invest. I don't have a newsletter or a research arm. I just think that it's a great opportunity to actually develop my views when I have to present them to others and also a good way to keep me humble, keep me on track. And so I really appreciate the opportunity. Well, thank you for doing what you do. I've grown to love these conversations more and more as we continue to have more of that. So we'll probably meet beginning of Q2, catch up, see where we are, and then go on from there. Sounds perfect. All right. Peace and love, freaks. Thank you for listening to this episode of TFTC. If you've made it this far, I imagine you got some value out of the episode. If so, please share it far and wide with your friends and family. We're looking to get the word out there. 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