UAP EP 186: July 8th, 2026 - Disclosure Day?

yes welcome back into UAP Stephen Diener back with you here as always on the unidentified alien podcast for episode number 186 thanks for having me once again and I'm glad you are here because this, I believe, is a hugely important episode of UAP because I was able to set up a time here in an interview with the British filmmaker and journalist Mark Christopher Lee. So why is that a big deal? Well, a couple of reasons. Number one, in case you're not familiar with the story, Mark Christopher Lee is the man who put out the viral report that went internationally viral that said that President Trump has a disclosure speech written And not only is it already written, but he's going to give the speech on July 8th of this year, 2026. So that in itself obviously got a lot of people's attention. And I thought to myself, well, we've got to talk to him here on UAP so we can have this conversation about what the heck is going on. What are the ins and outs of this? Where did this come from? You know, what's involved with this speech? What might happen after it? And the second reason is, is because, and you'll hear it at the beginning, Mark isn't really doing many interviews. And so I appreciate him coming on here. He's maybe just doing like a handful of interviews. And this was one of them. So this is information really that is truly exclusive. This conversation you're not going to hear anywhere else right now about the ins and outs, the behind the scenes of what went into the information, how Mark got it, what he thought when he got it. What was the thought process like as far as making the decision to put it out there five months ahead of time before this speech is supposed to take place, allegedly supposed to take place? And then what? So we go through all of the questions, and I think this, well, if it really happens, this could end up being one of the most important episodes we've ever done here on UAP because it covers what we've always talked about, which is disclosure. Are we really only five months away? Well, make up your own mind as I bring in Mark Christopher Lee to discuss what the president might really have in store for us in just about five months. Are we actually going to get that disclosure moment? Hear it right now. Myself and Mark Christopher Lee, exclusive right here on UAP. Enjoy. Well, happy, excited to have this interview here today with Mark Christopher Lee, a filmmaker and, well, the man of the moment, I suppose, right now, when it comes to a lot of the reports about a possible future disclosure speech from President Trump. Mark Christopher Lee, thanks so much for coming on here to UAP. I really appreciate making the time. Yeah, thanks for inviting me, Steve. And excited to talk to you. So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. And I know you aren't doing many interviews, so it means a lot that you've made the time to come on here today and speak to the UFO community, speak to the audience here that takes in the show, takes in UAP. I think a lot of people are going to be interested in the discussion here today. First off, now, obviously, the main topic is what you put out a couple of weeks ago, which got the attention of the world, essentially, that you have a source that tells you a source, correct me if I'm wrong, a source within the Trump administration, within or circling around? Circling around, they're advising on UAP matters, historical UAP matters. OK, that's what they're doing. And that source has come to you and said, hey, look, you know, I know what's going on behind the scenes. And this is what I'm being told. This is what I've heard that President Trump will have a disclosure speech on July 8th this year, 2026, which is the 79th anniversary of the Roswell incident. And you get that information. And then what? What is your reaction? And then what are you told to do from there? well i mean we've been uh i've met this person in real life so i know them uh face to face done business with them i can't give too much away because you probably guess who they are sure uh so we've built up a relationship over the last few years uh they were initially interested in a film that i put out called god versus aliens uh which is on tubi i'm not promoting that i'm just giving this as a back story really when that film came out because it looked at first contact or disclosure and what the impact would be on society and religion and being a christian i put a christian perspective on it and so i got contacted by a lot of kind of people from the evangelical movement in the u.s about this film and about this secretive organization that i talked about called the collins elite i wasn't suggesting that they definitely exist but i said then there's a theory that they do exist a secret group in the pentagon that's uh basically think that ufos aliens are demons demonic in origin and it's interesting that jd vance has recently looked at this angelic demonic element to ufos so i believe there is a a subset in Washington that genuinely believe this. And my initial reaction to that was, you know, I don't believe that, but it's this influencing disclosure. It's this real reason why we're not getting disclosure because, you know, they think there's some spiritually harmful element to UAPs. So we back and forth and, you know, and getting more and more of a relationship. and you know over the last few months we're in contact about this speech which has already been written uh and uh now there's a date uh the update i've got from my source is that they're going to hold a press conference on may the 1st that's hopefully going ahead i'm not going to be anything to do with this i'm going to be staying here and here in the uk uh and that's when they will take it all over because this is not i just wanted to get this information out to the public to the ufo community is this is not mine to leverage to gain financially out of that's never been my uh you know raison d'etre uh i've been investigating ufos since of you know since i was a kid uh 56 now uh this is my passion and i've always wanted the truth yeah you know much like Fox Mulder has been my kind of mission. I don't care about, you know, I make my films anyway. I do my books. I'm not some big studio that's, you know, trying to leverage stuff. And that's one thing I've hated about the UFO community, especially in the US. There's a lot of great people, but everyone seems to be, there's factions and they're holding on to stuff. I've never liked that. I don't want to hold on to stuff. I mean, obviously you've got to assess whether it's credible before you release it but i don't want to just sit on something yeah i think it's really really important so this is why you know i've put the information out there okay i realize there's a lot of skepticism around i mean i'm there i'm always skeptical about sure you know i've been for the record i've got a science degree environmental studies uh from a uk university I'm pretty grounded in terms of trying to come up with scientific analysis of UAPs and most of them can be debunked, we know they can there's so many dodgy videos out there but there is a real core 1 or 2% of science that just can't be explained and that's always been the case in my opinion I've rambled on a bit there was actually a lot there that I want to kind of touch on because first off and I know you gave that explanation for a good reason which is to address a lot of the speculation to a stress or to address the motives behind your announcement that this would be coming you know I've I'm not again this isn't self-promotion just like you were saying but I to relate to what you're saying I've experienced what you've experienced which is a lot of people giving you blowback a lot of people questioning your motives because I put out some different announcements before. I've put out different videos that I've received from the intelligence community before showing UAP or purported UAP. And I get a lot of blowback for that. And I also get a lot of applause for that. So I understand your situation where you have people coming at you saying you're a grifter, you're this, you're that, we don't believe you. And then you have other people saying, you know, exactly. If I had a dollar for every time someone's called me a grifter recently, I'd be doing well at this grift. That's exactly right. Yes. Yes. I would be driving a Bentley if everybody said what they thought I was. And I'm not driving a Bentley at all. So I get where you're coming from and I get why you gave that backstory and that explanation. So I appreciate you doing that. So just kind of add more context and layers to where you were coming from with all this and why you put the information out there. Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to put all that backstory onto a post. Right. Exactly. Which is why it's good to do a few interviews to explain, really. But you did say something, though, that caught my ear. You said something about May 1st. What is May 1st compared to July 8th? Well, there's going to be a press conference where my source is going to go public with the aim of putting more pressure on the Trump administration to go public. Wow. That's a big deal, right? We haven't heard that before. No, no. I did tell Jeremy for Into the Parabnormal, my good friend who I've been on his show many times. But it's no offense to Jeremy, but it's a small show. It's a great show, but not a massive impact. So, yeah. So it's May the 1st. There will be a press conference where my source will be hosting and attending and telling you everything that he's got with the aim of putting more pressure on the Trump administration to go public. But I think, and I'll be stepping back then anyway, it'd be nothing to do with me. But I think May 1st, July 8th, it's just the beginning, whatever Trump says. And I always qualify this with President Trump as his own person, as we all know. He does what he wants, when he wants, and doesn't really necessarily stick to timetables or procedures. Sure. He's a maverick. Whatever you think of him, he is a maverick. For sure. yeah, we talked about this May 1st plan and we say press conference. Are we talking something like the National Press Club in D.C.? Or are we talking something like, you know, they're going to put out a video on social media? What's kind of the plan for that? Yeah, it will be a physical event. Probably will be out on social media. I mean, it's only just been finalized in the last week. I will put out more information as soon as I get it. Well, we've all been there when we have that big idea. And it's no different when you have that idea about your own business. 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That's Shopify.com slash UAP. so the goal of it is for this then this the source of yours who's uh around the trump administration who um advises on the uip subject that they would go out and say here's what's going on and here's what to expect and we want to make sure they do it you know people you know people will know this person uh that's the thing so it's it will take a new a new stage a new format then How do you think it's going to be taken? How do you think it's going to be taken once they come out on May 1st? Do you think people will say, oh, wow, this is actually a really big deal? Or will they say, well, now we'll, I don't know, we'll see what happens. What's going to be the reaction? I think it will be a massive deal. I really do. And, you know, one of your questions you've sent me is, you know, on a scale of one to ten, you know, do you think it will happen? I'm pretty sure it's nine, in my opinion. the only slight doubt I've got which you have to have and I'm being honest and open here is that there is a small possibility that I am being played and I'm being fed this stuff as some sort of disinformation I mean I have to be aware of that I don't think it is but who knows I mean as Fox Moeller said trust no one I understand it so I've always got that and it's like okay you know Yeah. And that's been another accusation, right? I mean, I'm sure you've seen it. The accusation has been out there that, oh, you know, Mark's being played and he doesn't know it. And I appreciate that you understand that. Of course, there's that percentage that there's that possibility. Absolutely. Yeah. I'm not stupid. I've been quite bold. Maybe I've been stupid going public. Maybe I should have. Well, on that note, I mean, I know. Yeah, that's not that's not my ethos. And, you know, I'm a, you know, by background, I was a trained journalist, reporter. And, you know, that's the way I treat my social media, especially my TikTok channel. I report and stuff. Yeah. And I want to get the information out of there. It's not necessarily what I believe. But I think that people can't understand that. Yeah. But that's an interesting point. So it's not something that we say something that you believe. Are you talking about the way that the phenomenon works or that the announcement itself will happen? I know you put it at a nine scale one to ten. Will it happen? It's the way the phenomenon and what will be in possibly the speech is not necessarily what I believe. I think a lot of it will be to do with Roswell and various more modern UFO incidents, videos, which I don't necessarily think are genuine. And I think it's just to start and I think it's just to set the scene for more revelations, which will have a more profound impact on society. You know, because I believe the UAP phenomena is not necessarily extraterrestrial, it might be interdimensional or something even weirder. I mean, that's my 30 years of research into this phenomena has led me to this conclusion. inclusion. Right. Yeah, I mean, we don't really know, right? I mean, obviously, there's a lot of theories out there. No, we don't have the answers. Anyone who says they don't have the answers. It can be interdimensional. It could be crypto-terrestrial. It could be time travelers. It could be outer space. We don't know. Right, it could be all. It could be angels and demons. That's the thing. Is it a mix of things? I don't know, yeah. What's not going to happen on July the 8th? Trump's not going to happen. Yeah, it's really weird, it's interdimensional, it's angels, it's demons. It's not going to do that. You might say, we've got recovered craft, biologics, whatever you want to say. We've had interaction, possibly extraterrestrial. It's not going to go woo-woo on us. It's definitely not. They're not going to dig deep. It's not going to be a deep dive. It's a basic disclosure. Yeah, which is what I think has been happening over the last few years. Anyway, I mean, I have to say I'm not American. It's all happening in the US mostly. Over here in the UK, there's absolutely nothing happening, which is very frustrating And we trying to get our own UK disclosure group hearing and you know had a little bit of interest from uh members of parliament but not much yeah oh it very frustrating really because you know i do get contact i mean also for context i do get contacted a lot by a lot of people all the time sending me videos claiming to be this claiming to be that And most of these, it's just complete rubbish. I've got so many bird videos, insects. I've got people claiming to be from all sorts of walks of life. They're not completely lying. And I can differentiate most of the time, just given that as context. But we do have a lot of valid whistleblowers over here that want to go public, pilots, current serving military personnel that have seen something, experienced something that they can't explain. These people in the UK want to go public, but there's no safe platform. There's just fear of ridicule over here. And that's the issue that we've got. Whereas in the US, you're probably 10, 15 years ahead of us in terms of, yeah, we've got serious military personnel seeing stuff, experiencing stuff, filming it. There's something real there. I don't know how we get it going over here anyway. Yeah, that's obviously still a big point of contention here, too, is trying to find some type of whistleblower protection act that will open up the floodgates even more. Just on the speech again real quick, Mark, when it comes to the contents of this that are planned anyway, it sounds like it's going to be basic disclosure. It sounds like it's going to be the moment where a U.S. president says, we are not alone. Is that what you expect here? Yeah, it's going to be a big grandstand moment. And, you know, I think President Trump will love it. And he'll want to own it, that he is the disclosure president. And he's created this new universe where there's life out there. And that's what it's leading up to, in my opinion. So it happens. And then and then what? Right. So the moment comes. We are not alone. President Trump says it. We have disclosure for the world. It's that, you know, watershed moment, that huge moment for the world. Then what are other governments prepared for this? Well, I mean, from what my sources tell me, I mean, this is the least likely bit of what I've been told, which I do struggle with. Trump has been gained authority by the Chinese leader and Putin to to go public on this. I mean, I find that quite difficult to to to believe that bit, to be honest. would the Chinese, would the Russians agree for Trump to go public on this? And also, it's interesting that there's a really great Russian UFO researcher, you might know Paul Stone, I think his name is. And he spoke about this a lot. And, you know, he doesn't think that they would have given Trump permission to do this. Yeah, it's interesting. This could be a play of some sort, I guess. because Trump would want to jump into this before. Others can take credit. That's just the way he works. Well, it's interesting because you do have to take into account the geopolitical aspect of this, and that's really big, right? You have these, you know, these, and that's kind of like the other caveat to this, right? Aside from, of course, the world-changing moment of having that we are not alone speech, you also have to look at the players involved with these three very well-known and strong leaders in Putin, in Trump, and in Xi in China. So that's what I've been curious about, which is, is there some type of cooperation? You alluded to that there. Is there some type of cooperation where, you know, okay, yeah, we'll let you be the guy. You're the main guy on the stage. Go ahead and you be the one to say it. Are we looking at something like that? That's what I've been told. i i find that hard to believe in in some respects to be perfectly honest this is the issue i have which nearly held me back going public but i don't know at the end of the day i don't know uh it's interesting but yeah it is an issue uh so yeah but then you know is there an intergalactic federation communicating with us that's already got you right how far does this go i mean you And, you know, there's been talk before of these intergalactic federations have been around. And so, you know, what else do we find out? How quickly will the floodgates, I guess, you know, get – will this water come rushing through, right? Well, I guess this is my concern a little bit is that what happens next and how does the world react in terms of the economies of the world? You know, even religion, how does it affect? The world's religions. Well, there's so many aspects of this, right? You know, economic, spiritual. Also, when it comes to any, and George Knapp has brought this up before, and I think it's a strong point, when it comes to any past crimes. I mean, you're talking about 80 years of secrecy within the shadow government, if you will, of these people who have lied, who have possibly done things behind the scenes that are very, very illegal. And very questionable morality. So, I mean, how much does it affect that when people start to realize, wait a minute. So this is true. How long have they been lying about this and when did they know? Yeah, but how many people have you killed to keep it secret? Yeah, yeah. Those are questions that are going to start to get asked. Why did your source decide to make this public so far ahead of time, Mark? I think that's a question people have asked. And I think it's a fair question and a question I know you've pondered and have addressed a couple of different ways. Why? Why about, you know, here we are mid-February as we speak. Why five months ahead of time? Why put the date out? Yeah, that's a good point. I think to lay the groundwork, really, to create this conversation that we're having now. And it's out there. People are talking about it. The media are there for us to get used to it. And I think we've had this steadily now for the last couple of years, and I think it's just part of the same process, really. It's interesting, actually. That's a really good point, and I didn't think about that. Is it part of a play? Is this even a play from the administration itself, rather than maybe what some people have been thinking that your source went rogue and said, I'm putting this out there, you know, I don't care what anybody thinks. Is this a play to give more slow drip disclosure and get people used to the idea that this is coming? Yeah, I do start to think more like that now, especially with the first press conference coming. That does seem to be coordinated to some extent. So, yeah, that is a distinct possibility. It's really interesting. So this would then, this speech would be then the first step in a larger rollout, I assume. This isn't just like one and done, like there's going to be things that develop from this, or do you know what the plan is behind the scenes on things like that? I haven't been told, but from, you know, discussions with my source, this plan's underway for what happens next. They're not going to tell me, but there'll be stuff happening. It's not just going to be, as a speech, that's it. I'm off back to play golf now. That's not going to happen. Right. There's going to be a plan and agenda, I guess. Hey, guys. So real quick, just wanted to take a break to talk about you and that big idea that you've had that you keep putting off. Make 2026 the year. We all get different ideas about different businesses or marketing things that we can do, what you can sell. Oh, I can create this product, that product. Everybody would love it. 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By David Grush told him, Eric Burleson, that Trump was briefed about the existence of nonhumans in his first administration, that he was briefed about hybrids, that he was briefed about Nordics and Greys. would this lend to that something like that being true or do you think they're you know they can be exclusive no no i think it's all part of the same the same play the same disclosure feed to the public uh definitely i would say as well lara trump's comments on the podcast pretty sure that was pre-intentioned as well what we're going to get in the next month who knows she was reading a question on her podcast that was asking about what Trump knows about aliens I think she referenced your report without directly referencing it saying that she's hearing things that he has a speech planned we can assume to your report that this was coming. It's just fascinating stuff. I mean, when you heard this, because this is the moment that people have been waiting for. So, I mean, and I think that's why that, you know, this report has gotten so much attention when you put it out there, that Trump is going to have this disclosure speech. They've been waiting for this for decades from an American president. So, I mean, what was your reaction when you heard this? How hesitant were you to put this out there? Like, when did you finally decide, okay, I am going to put this out there now? Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's a tough call. You know, for me personally, it's the holy grail. You know, this is what everything that I've researched, written about, made films about. This is what I want. This is what we want. It's the public. We want the truth. That's all we've ever wanted. It's been a crusade, a mission. You know, this is what it is. But I have to put that aside to one extent and look at it kind of logically, factually. OK, this is what I've been told. I've had this relationship now for a couple of years. Trust this person. But you still got the doubts. Am I being played? But is it a good play in terms of coming from Trump himself or those near to him regarding disclosure? and that they want to lay the groundwork for this big speech. At the end of the day, I don't know, but I felt my instincts, which I trusted for a long time, served me well, to be perfectly honest, was to go for it, and not in terms of personal gain. I haven't made a film about this. Right. Which maybe that was a mistake. That's the funny thing with this thing that's gone viral. it's like lots of newspapers picked it up and the films they're mentioning in it are The Age of Disclosure, which I'm not a massive fan of, to be honest. And Spielberg's New Disclosure Day, which is a really interesting timing with that as well. And we know that Spielberg is massively into UFOs and Jacques Vallée was one of the researchers on close encounters, et cetera. So there's always been that element that maybe Spielberg knows more, possibly. But I think Spielberg's take on previously has always been the time travellers, that's his angle. So, yeah, it is. It was a tough moment for you, it sounded like. It was definitely because, you know, if it is all a big, you know, crap getting out from somewhere just to put disinformation out there because maybe UFOs are just misidentified tech, which has always been a possibility that they're using the UFO, extraterrestrial, interdimensional angle to deflect away from, you know, high-tech weapons that we've developed here on Earth. And, you know, my own research into Rendlesham has indicated that might be the case for a lot of what we see, but I don't think it accounts for all of them. But I have to be aware of that, that maybe this is all a giant smokescreen and I'm responsible for putting it out there. And, you know, I've got to live with that. So I had to make that call, but following my instinct, my 30-plus years of researching this and what felt right, not emotionally, but just with the facts, and, yeah, I'm going to go for it. You trust your source, and I think that has something to play into this as well. This is the key to it, I think. You know, we build this relationship, and yeah and i do trust them and that's that's key i guess and you know i'm sure george knap corbell or those people have been through similar things uh where they've developed relationships with a source and gone public with stuff yeah i i just think yeah i think i've made the right call i mean come may the first come july the 8th you can all judge me then and i'll happily answer your questions and if I was wrong, if I am wrong. Sure. Time will tell. You put yourself out there, you got the information and time will tell. Yeah. Why now? Speaking of time, and maybe this is more of an abstract question or even an abstract answer, but I think it's one worth asking that a lot of people have on their mind. Why now when it comes to the U.S. government making this decision? Is this Trump saying it's time? Or is this more than, you know, actual an administration, a cabinet, other world leaders coming together and saying now is the time rather than 40 years ago under Reagan or, you know, 10 years ago or 15 years ago under Obama? Why now? I think it's come to, this is my personal belief. I think it's come to the stage where They want to go public because they want to own it. I think it a possibility that we could have disclosure just come from the ground up really Because people that haven their own sightings they filming them we got more service people coming forward with their own testimony evidence to such a groundswell of people that actually believe have seen have experienced when i go all over you know the country and europe and speak to people and uh from all walks of life uh because i make all sorts of films it's not just ufos uh and you know they'll see my ufo badge and you know everyone I speak to, most of them have had some sort of encounter that they can't, you know, they can't explain logically. So I think there's so many people that have had these experiences that it's floodgates. They can't keep the dam up anymore. And by doing this, they can own it and they can control it to some extent. Yeah, that's that's why I think. I think that makes sense. And it's right. It's a matter of control. Maybe they feel like they're losing control now. You know, things are starting to come out more and more. Governments want control of the people. You know, that's what the word government means. It means mind. Control the story, control the narrative, control the information. Control the story, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It makes sense. Actually, kind of on that thought, one of the things that will branch off from this, in my opinion, and see if you agree, one of the things that will branch off of this will probably be the discussion about, well, is everything we're seeing connected to non-humans? And if not, how much of this technology is ours that we have been able to reproduce through reverse engineering? Are we ready for that discussion to go public into the mainstream if and when this announcement comes? That's a really good question. And, yeah, it's when I made my last film, Rendlesham, I finished the film and then found out loads and loads of information about secret tech projects. Don't you hate when that happens when you're done with it? You're like, oh, I just found all this new information. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. but I got contacted for quite a lot of people about the US and the UK coming together to develop really high tech plasma directed energy weapons around the Rendlesham area which might have accounted for the 1980 sighting and all sorts of weird stuff and there's a lot of good authorities on this that ever since the Manhattan Project they've wanted to weaponise physics how can we advance physics and turn it into a wonder weapon of some sort and I think there's a lot to that so you've got two strands is it all our own developed from our own scientists developing these extreme weapons this craft, whatever or is it, like you said, reverse engineered I suspect it's both is what I would say and I don't I don't think there's I know if you said this before, there's one simple answer to this phenomena. It could be many things. It could be extraterrestrial. It could be our own technology. It could be interdimensional. It could be time travelers. It could be all of these. That's not good for governments. They can't go up. Trump can't get up there on July the end. Yes, we've got something unidentified in the skies. We don't know what it is. It's probably all these things, and it's all a bit weird. Which is why it's easy to go. Yeah, I'm glad you said that because that question pops into my head. Will this just be, as far as you know, a statement that's read, or will the president be taking questions? Will the press be there to ask questions and have that first reaction and be like, okay, what else? Is this going to be a Q&A session? I don't think so, but then it is President Trump, so we'll see. But there is a statement to be read, and hopefully he will read it. But he may go off piste like he does. And he may take questions. Who knows? It's not one of those things that can be planned, I think. Well, what's the framing of this, Mark? Is this an Oval Office address? Is this a primetime address? Is this in the press room? Do we have any of those details? It's some sort of address to the nation. That's what I've been told. Okay. So it might be like that, you know, Hollywood type of framing where the president is behind the resolute desk in a primetime address saying we are not alone. But that might be what we're seeing or is that too much? It might be what you're seeing. Yeah, absolutely. Wow. You know, I mean, it's just it's a surreal thought to have. It's honestly even surreal to have this conversation right now. You know what I mean? I'm trying to keep it together for the interview's sake, for the conversation's sake, without getting too excited or too hyped or anything like that. But honestly, like inside me, it's hope and it's excitement that this, and I'm not saying it to question you or anything, but that this actually comes to fruition. Because can you imagine? Can you imagine that moment that people have been waiting for for so long? I know it's just going to be yeah the next the next stage of human life human society it's just so profound we'll be having these conversations I mean so much branches off from this right because then you start asking the questions technology down the bar it's like my god what's happened it's going to be one of those epoch moments I mean I guess what I've always wondered, will it unite the people? Can anything unite us? Right. Maybe this is it. I don't know. I know. This is it. Obviously, that's what I want, really. But it's for more people to get on. Do you know what type of contingency plans they have, Mark, as far as, you know, we brought up the economic impacts? Societal impacts of people start freaking out and rioting yeah I have said about this and I refer them to my film God Vessus Aliens we're going to need spiritual leaders to step up and provide some sort of because you assume Trump's going to do his speech then what happens next you presume that other world leaders have been brief beforehand and they will address their own nations I don't even know who will be the British Prime Minister then But I've always said that maybe King Charles over here, his head of state, he's had an interest in UFOs. Right. That he should be the one to address our nation. And, you know, he's got an open mind. Yeah. And some experience of the phenomena. So, and he's also leader of the Church of England, which is the big church here. Sure. so he would have a role to play in that I think actually so on that note and maybe we can kind of close out with this because I know your time is limited and again I appreciate you doing this Mark the religious impact right we've kind of alluded to that a little bit and you have your film God vs. Aliens where you discussed this topic and now it might be a thing that we're actually experiencing in a few months so have they first question on that has anyone in the trump administration do you know contacted the vatican about this you know this speech coming up reportedly i haven't been i haven't been told no uh but from my own uh research into other things the vatican is is prepared already and i i would i would think other uh religions are as well to be honest and and that was that was the assessment that came to from from my own research was that i expected it to be all like oh no there can there can be no alien life and we're the center of the universe we're god's creation that's all creation nothing else but that's not what i found what i found was that the world's religions were already prepared willing to accept other life in the universe it's all part of god's plan uh and our kind of distant relatives whatever and we all have the same god uh so wouldn't impact as as much as we would think i think it would need clarification which they're ready to go with about how how we should react right uh but you know like like governments uh the vatican religions is about controlling people and you know at the end of the day uh which is why they're want to act quickly because, you know, there are other kind of spiritual ideas out there where you don't need a church or a priest. You can have that spiritual contact directly. And I guess that's what will concern them. Do you know if anybody else is in the know as far as industry leaders, you know, such example, like an Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or just, you know, any type of like, you know, really big industry. type. I would say definitely from what I've been from conversations I have yeah I would say absolutely 100%. Interesting. Wow. So I mean they would be in the know as far as what's coming and that way they know how to react to it ahead of time. They're not going to be caught off guard. No. No definitely not. Well I mean there's just so many aspects to this Mark and you know it's one of those things that I mean I guess I could talk about this for the next three hours with you, but it's just one of those things that we're going to have to wait and see. And if it does happen, you know, we'll find out all these things, all these hypotheses that we've thrown out. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, listen, if I find out any more information, I'm happy to come back on and talk more. Yeah, I appreciate that. You know, we'll keep up throughout it. So I guess on this, I'll get you out of here on this, Mark. So what is going through your mind now? Here we are, mid-February. What is your thought as we head through over the next few months and get closer and closer to these dates? I've actually got butterflies when I talk about this. That's how excited I am. But then I try and suppress it a little bit and try and be calm and rational about it. Like, oh, yeah, it's coming up. And, yeah, it's all going to happen. But yeah, I'm actually well pumped up and excited. Yeah, really excited. Do you think there's, is there something that would prevent them from doing this? That would say we're going to scratch this? Because originally this was supposed to be done in a UN address. So this already should have happened and it didn't happen yet. So do you think there's anything that would say, no, we're not going to do it yet? I think it will definitely happen by July the 8th of the latest, if not before. And that's what I've always thought. and I think it's not going to be any later than that. Why didn't they do it in front of the UN if that was the original plan, do you know? I don't know. Just decided against it? Yeah, I don't know why. Okay. Well, Mark, I hope, like you said, we can stay in touch on this and just kind of follow along with each other as time goes on with this conversation. I feel like we're just at the beginning of this and we'll see how this plays out. I'm excited to see what happens next. Yeah, no, thank you so much for having me on. And yeah, the truth is out there. July the 8th, May the 1st. It is exciting. It could be the time. We'll see. How can people follow along before I let you go? Follow along with what you're doing with some of your films and things like that. Yeah, The King of UFOs. Not because I am the King of UFOs. The King of UFOs was one of my last films about the royal family's interest in UFOs. that's what on the handle is, the king of UFOs. Because people have been pulling me up on that. You're not the king of UFOs. It was a film of mine. That's funny. I am not the king of UFOs. But that's another interesting subject, is the royal family's interest in this. Has that been a thing over the years? Over the decades? That's massive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in Africa. I keep finding more and more stuff out. And there's definitely the royal family have got a massive interest in UFOs. And I've been told that King Charles has actually had his own UFO encounter fairly recently. So, yeah. That's interesting. Well, we'll show that, I guess, for another time because I can get into getting that with you as well. But I know you got to go. So follow along at King of UFOs on social media. Any websites you want to give out, Mark, where people can find your stuff? It's fine. Just look at the King of UFOs. Well, my films are out there if you want to watch them. You don't have to watch them. It's all fine. it's not about me that's right no i want to try to get some of your stuff out there so you know you've done great work over the years and i appreciate it absolutely well mark christopher lee thanks again so much for doing this uh i look forward to keeping in touch with you as we move forward yeah thanks a lot much bye so before we get back into the discussion i just want to bring up something that we all deal with the what ifs of life and i've had those before especially when I started this podcast right here a few years back. What if it doesn't work? What if I'm wasting my time? What if no one listens? Well, we've all been there when we have that big idea and it's no different when you have that idea about your own business. 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Well, thank you again to Mark Christopher Lee for coming on here. truly thank you know I'm very thankful for him for doing that to him for doing that because like we said you know he's not really going around and doing a lot of interviews he's done a couple here and there he's out on social media making a couple of posts but he's really kind of lying low on this now because of all the attention that I got he you know did what he set out to do which was to put the information out there let people know that he's been told it's coming and then just wait and see. Now, the other piece that we got in there, and there is a lot to review here. I made a lot of notes because I really feel like there was a lot of information in there that could be of huge significance, and I don't want to gloss over any of it. So just a few notes here before or as we wrap up here on the post-interview part of the show. First one being that May 1st date that he mentioned in the first part of the conversation where his source has told him that he's going to go public on May 1st and give some type of press conference to say, I'm the one who gave this information. I'm the one who's been told this. And yes it going to happen and we are going to continue to put this out there so that it doesn go away Now I got a lot of questions on that because I put that particular clip out on Twitter yesterday, before this episode came out here today. And one of the questions that came up a lot with that clip was, well, what's the point of this source doing a press conference on May 1st? Like, what kind of pressure is he going to put on Trump if he's already putting pressure by announcing that it's going to happen. And the impression I got after talking to Mark was basically just that, that continued, hey, we're not forgetting about this. Kind of like, you know, maybe an insurance policy, if you will, of saying, we're not forgetting about this. This is supposed to happen. We're going to try to hold this announcement accountable. We're not going to let it go away. So, hey, this is happening. Look forward to it. Talk about it. And don't let them sweep it under the rug again and say, well, maybe people will just forget that this was planned. if we don't mention anything about it. No, we're going to talk about it more as we lead up to it. And hopefully, if this really is planned, right, if Mark isn't being given wrong information or misinformation, and if this is the real deal, then hopefully by July 8th, could you imagine we really get that moment? The other question is, why so far ahead of time? And you heard me ask that. You heard Mark and I talk about that. And I want to bring that back up again because I thought it was an important point And it might actually be an answer to that question. It felt like it made sense to me during the conversation of why bring this up four or five months, five months from now, five months ahead of time before it's even set to take place. And why have the source come out three months before or actually, I'm sorry, two months. You can tell I don't do math. Two months before it's going to take place if the source is going to come out in May and the announcement can be made in July. So why all that? Why all those things ahead of time? Well, it could be that this is actually part of the plan. If we look at it that way, it actually does make a lot of sense. Instead of just coming out on the day, afternoon, or night of July 8th and the president getting up and making a speech in front of the country and saying, we are not alone. Aliens are real and here's what we know about it. Instead of just kind of dropping that bombshell on the world, let alone the American people on the world, to be the first world leader to say that, that's an announcement to the world. So let's not get that mistaken here. It absolutely is an announcement to the world, not just to the United States. So instead of just kind of dropping that on our heads, why not kind of put the feelers out, right? Let's do some soft disclosure ahead of time. Let's get people used to the idea that this could be coming. Hence, why this source who is around the Trump administration as an advisor on this subject, according to Mark's reporting there, have that source give the information to somebody that they trust. And according to Mark, he and his source have had a relationship now for a couple of years, a nice working relationship. So obviously this person trusts him professionally. So maybe Mark was chosen by his source through the direction, and this is just my theory, okay, through the direction of the Trump administration to say, if we're going to do this, we don't want to just drop it on people's heads. We want to have people get used to the idea that this is coming. So, hey, you, Mr. Source, Mr. or Mrs. Source, go ahead and put this information out to somebody you trust and let them leak it and let people get used to the idea. Maybe that's what's happening here. And then maybe to go one step further, that May 1st press conference that Mark is talking about, where the source is supposedly going to come out and reveal themselves, maybe that's also part of the effort, the soft disclosure effort, right? Cushion the fall a little bit to let people know that this is coming. Get used to the idea. This is coming. So that's just my working theory as to why, because it is a valid question. Why would you talk about it so far in advance? And I think that is at least an explanation that makes sense to me if we're asking that question and if we really are leading up to a disclosure date on July 8th. So that was just something that I wanted to put out there that I thought made a lot of sense. It's up to you if you think I'm crazy or not or if that does make sense. And then the questions that have to be asked, what else will follow after this? So we kind of touched on that a little bit. But one thing I didn't get to really bring up that I wanted to and we ran out of time was what about abductions? What do we do with the abduction question? And there's so much that stems from this. So the basic disclosure of a president, of a world leader, and in this case it would be the president of the United States, to come out and say that famous phrase that has been used in Hollywood and all these different forms of media, those famous four words that we've been waiting to hear, we are not alone, to have them come out and say that is basic disclosure. There will be details to follow. We've recovered Kraft, kind of following the David Grush model. We've recovered Kraft, we have recovered biologics, and we are not alone. There you go. There is the big secret unwrapped. That's the root of disclosure. Now the rest is going to grow from there. Okay, we need a stem. We need branches. We need leaves. There's so much that's going to branch off of this from these roots of disclosure, of basic disclosure, that are now going to branch off of that. Okay, well, if this is real, then how long has it been hidden? Who has known? How many presidents were told about it? How many people have been killed or their reputations ruined to protect this secret? How many secret groups have been out there? Is Majestic 12 real? Are all these experiments that have been talked about, are they real? Is the Dulce base real? What else has happened with all these different questions? Rendlesham, you heard Mark talk about that. Of course, the British Roswell, as they call it. What's the deal with that? All these other stories, the Phoenix Lights, what were the Phoenix Lights? Were those UFOs? Were those aliens? How much of this is secret USA tech versus extraterrestrial? How much of this have we been able to reverse engineer and gain technology from versus being so confused by it that we don't know what it is? Because we've heard both stories, right? So all these other questions, all of these other things that have been asked over the past 80 years, the repercussions of this are enormous and so vast that I can't even talk about it all in one episode. because what would follow from a basic disclosure speech would be, you know, earth changing. It would truly be that paradigm shifting moment. And then, of course, you have to ask the questions. Like I said, well, if this is real, then what about abductions? Are people really being abducted by aliens? And if they are, the U.S. government and other world governments can't do anything about it. Like we're just being abducted by aliens and there's nothing we can do about it. What about the drones? What about the military base incursions? So you see what I'm getting at here, okay, before I keep going and going and going. And then, of course, the religious aspects like I spoke about with Mark. How do the world's religions respond to basic disclosure? These are all things that we have to wait and see how they kind of play out. But make no mistake about it, the roots of basic disclosure are just the beginning. that would branch out into all of these other subjects that would then need to be answered as well. How do they get answered? I don't know. But basic disclosure is not the endgame. It's the beginning, quite frankly. But outside of that, some of the other things that I wanted to bring up here. This is actually just me connecting the dots on this part. Remember the report, and I kick myself for not bringing this up with Mark because he's there in England. But remember the report, I want to say maybe about three or four weeks ago, we had from, I want to say, was it the Daily Mirror? I forget who it was, but they came out, a British publication that said that the Bank of England has been told by advisors, economists, to get ready to protect against economic collapse from the disclosure of aliens. I don't know if you remember that report a few weeks ago, like I said, about three or four weeks ago. But that was a real thing. British economists have warned the Bank of England to prepare for any type of economic response and protect against crashes because of disclosure. So it's very interesting to think back on that. And then as we look forward to July 8th, does somebody know something behind the scenes to say, hey, you need to prepare for this? And that goes back to the question of is there international cooperation on this? There has to be. And Mark said that he was kind of skeptical on that as far as the other world leaders like Putin and Xi saying to Trump, OK, you take the lead on this. He was saying he was skeptical on that. But in my opinion, that actually makes sense to me because there has to be some type of cooperation to keep it secret. Let's start there. I mean that you have to be able to agree with your adversaries and allies that this is going to remain a secret. So no matter what the geopolitical situation is, if this is all really going down, adversaries and allies alike have had one thing in common for the past 80 years or more, quite frankly, which is we're keeping this a secret. No one's talking about this. So if that has been the cooperation over the past multi-decades, then the opposite would also have to be a cooperation as well where there is an agreement with the world powers, adversaries and allies alike, to say, okay, we're ready and USA, you guys take the lead on this. So that actually does make sense to me and quite frankly, I don't think it happens unless there is that international agreement that it's time. Give the green light. It's time to go. So that part does make sense to me. Again, this is all speculation. But the fact that Mark did say that, he rates it as a 9 out of 10, because I did ask him, you know, what do you think the chances are, 1 through 10, that this speech actually does take place on the 8th of July? He says he's giving it 9 out of 10, leaving that 1% that maybe he's being played, or maybe Trump changes his mind, or someone changes his mind, or it doesn't happen at all, or whatever it might be. But leaving that 1% to say, maybe this isn't going to take place. But 9 out of 10 is pretty strong, according to him. And then, of course, just to have those optics, right? Again, something out of Hollywood, where the president is sitting behind the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office to say, we are not alone. Will we actually get that moment? That's more fantasy land for me, just to have that theatrical moment. But, again, time will tell on something like that. And I think there was one more important point that came up that I want to highlight, which was, why now? And I do agree with Mark, where he said, I think it's to own the narrative. right there's been so much talk over the past say eight or nine years since around the new york times article in 2017 that was really the game changer and then the dominoes have really fallen since then of course so many people have come out since then we've had congressional hearings we've had movies we've had documentaries we've had more um come out about the ufo topic in the past eight or nine years than we have really in the past like 50 years i mean the acceleration has been uh Incredible, unlike any other time in history, I think. So if they're seeing that and they're seeing that forward motion, maybe it is just to say, all right, let's get it out there. So we can say that as far as the Trump administration, they can say, well, I'm the disclosure president. I'm the one who did this. And now we can control the narrative and control the flow of information. Right. We're putting it out there. We're telling everybody what it is. And now they can kind of control the flow of information from there. That, to me, does make sense. Because otherwise, what is the play? Is it just to let everybody know that this is going on? That would be nice. But there also has to be a contingency plan in there. Why do this? Okay, to let everybody know because we deserve to know? Yeah, sure. But also, it does make sense, if we're just thinking about in government terms here, to control the flow of information, to control the narrative. So that thought process makes sense to me. So that is something that maybe does play into this as a possibility of really coming true in the next five months. But, man, I'm telling you, I could talk about this for days and days and days. And we'll continue to cover it here on UAP, of course, as we get closer. And if that May 1st date, when it comes around, if the source comes out, we'll have that. Hopefully maybe get Mark back on with his source or the source in general. so still much more to come here as now we kind of inch our way toward that date over the next five months and three months for May 1st and we'll see what happens I'm going to go along with you and see what the heck happens here next and I'll cover it the best I can but that is everything for today I hope you enjoyed this again really exclusive information there exclusive interview with Mark Christopher Lee to get this information out there I felt it was hugely important and I hope you took something away from it because again if this really is all going down, then we're talking about the most consequential events of our lifetimes. So what's coming up next on UAP? Well, I'm going to be talking to someone named Laura Ranger. Laura is an author and she wrote a book called Taken, the complete Carl Higdon story. If you've never heard the story of Carl Higdon, which is why I wanted to have her on, fascinating stuff. I mean, there are some, it's going to be straightforward with you on that. there are some details that when you hear it, you're going to be like, what is this? This does not make any sense. I've never heard anything like it. This dude is a whack job, this Carl Higdon. There is no way he was telling the truth. He made this all up. I get it, okay? If you've never heard the story, that might be your first reaction. But there are some things here, actually, that are going to make you say, huh, is this real? Yeah, it might be. I mean, so there's really some fascinating details when it comes to the Carl Higdon story. And I was really excited to talk with Laura Ranger because as an author, she did a great job researching this and writing a book on it about the family, for the family and for the memory of Carl Higdon. So that's coming up next on UAP. You can look forward to that episode. Fascinating, compelling stuff. So looking forward to hearing that one as well. But as far as this is concerned, thank you again for listening. I hope you were able to take this all in and we will see what happens. Could be some big, big stuff ahead for us. Stay tuned here to UAP and follow along on social media at UAPodcast850. On all the social media there at UAPodcast850. And you can search it on YouTube as well. Just put in UAP podcast and you should be able to find it. Also, you can send me messages on any of those social media channels on, you know, where I'm on Twitter or TikTok and all that great stuff. or through email s-d-i-e-n-e-r-u-a-p at gmail.com. It's s-d-i-e-n-e-r-u-a-p at gmail.com. But that will do it here for now. So thank you all again so much for coming by here, for continuing to come to UAP. I really do appreciate that you're still listening to the show and we're still going here. We're going strong. I mean, there's so much more to cover as we continue this crazy journey through the phenomenon. 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