1442 - Naughty Confessions: She Cheated and Feels Terrible, She Wants to be a Unicorn, She Went to an Adult Theater & More w/Luci

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People get very naughty on there. We have lots of contests, tons of different channels with all kinds of content. But it is private and I only give links to either my guests if you call into the show. You get a link to my Discord or get my book or join my Patreon. You get it from all that. Last thing I want to tell you about is if you are looking to get into the lifestyle, the site I recommend to everybody is SDC.com. SDC.com is like the world's largest online adult dating site, but it's so much more than a dating site. It's more than a pickup place. You go on there. You're going to learn everything about the lifestyle. They have live events. They have educational stuff that you can learn on there. They also will tell you where all the gangbangs and swinger clubs and orgies and parties that are going on in your area and your neighborhood. Or if you're traveling, you can find out what's going on there too. That's what's great about SDC. It's like a one-stop shop for the lifestyle. And if you use my code 37712, you're going to get a free trial so you could check it out. You could go to SDC.com, use code 37712, or just go to the description and click on the link. All the links, everything I told you about including my Patreon is in the description. Okay, today is a fun Confessions episode and I got on today with Lucy. Now, Lucy is super fun. She's a guest that was on my show before. Now listen, if you don't remember Lucy or you never listened to her episode, you should, okay? Because it was great. Episode 69, Lucy and her husband opened up their marriage and had an MFF and an MFF. I know an MFF and an MMF. They had a lot of threesomes anyway. Just go listen to it. But on this Confessions episode, we listen to a bunch of fun confessions. First, we hear from a girl who cheated on her guy and she's feeling really bad about herself. And then we hear from a unicorn who wants to make sure she's really a unicorn. That explains exactly what she's looking for and she might not be a unicorn. And then we hear from a guy who had a threesome with his wife and her bestie, right before their wedding. And then things went awry many years later, okay? And then we talk to a woman who went to an adult theater. She's pretty hardcore and she had a whole blow gang, bang, gang, bang, blow gang, a BJ blow gang. I forget what it's called. And then we hear from a guy who's looking for advice. His girl agreed to opening up their marriage, but they still haven't done anything and she's nervous. He talks about how he brought that all up. It's super interesting. You know, in the Confessions episode, the way I run it is I run a confession and then me and Lucy discuss it. So I talk about my cheating paths. Lucy talks about her hookups with couples. We talk about unicorns and cupcakes because we think maybe, or Lucy points out that maybe that girl's a cupcake. We talk about the cons of being a unicorn. The last guy, we give him advice on how to bring up your fantasies with your partner, how conversation and more conversations and more conversations is all. And then Lucy talks about opening up her marriage and how she did it and all that kind of good stuff. But anyway, you're going to love the Confessions as well as me and Lucy discussing them. Lucy's great. I have hot picks of her over on my Patreon. And you should go listen to her episode, like I said, I'll put the episode number in the description. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with the first confession. I'm kind of a piece of shit. I've been dating this guy for like eight months and I'm 20. So I'm still pretty young and he decided to take a job three hours away. And I've had a lot going on at home right now and it's never a justification. But I was kind of on my way out of a relationship and I made out with my ex-boyfriend. I broke up with my boyfriend the day after. But yeah, I just, I don't know, I feel about it. Everybody, before I had even like started talking to my ex-boyfriend again, everybody in my life was telling me that he's probably cheating on me. Which doesn't sound great, but it wouldn't surprise me. His job is kind of known for that, not just like stereotype or anything, but it wouldn't totally surprise me. I was just feel bad. So yeah. And then I decided that I don't like my ex-boyfriend and now I can't get him off my back because he kind of has that like black veil against me. And I don't want him to tell my now ex about it. So yeah, they're young. Okay, I just got to start off now. I don't know where you're at in your life, Lucy, because you're younger than me. But you know, at my age, looking back, I'm like this poor girl thinks she's a piece of shit for just like making out with another guy. I like fucked another guy after I found out my boyfriend was like cheating on me and like really got him back. This poor girl thinks she's a piece of shit because she made out with a guy. Now, listen, I know people are going to be like, oh, that's terrible to say she's not. But I mean, you know, she didn't fuck the guy. I mean, you know, like she she was breaking up with him anyway. She made out with him. You know, I feel like if the guy found it is cheating though, like for sure, right? Like we can agree. I agree with you. Yeah, it's totally cheating. But can we tell her as women that are beyond 20 that like don't, you know, go so hard on yourself? Like just don't go further than kissing. Okay, don't be like me and go fuck somebody else. Like, you know, even like, but do you not a total piece of shit? Right? I mean, come on. Yeah, I'm like, it's certainly not the worst offense. And maybe I'm going off topic, but I'm just laughing so much at her saying that she can't get her the guy off her back now. I know. I mean, she must be a good kisser. I don't know, but he's like, yeah, maybe he saw the window and now she's so maybe maybe some of her regret is having that factored in to knowing that. You know, maybe her mistake wasn't even worth it. Oh, but I was thinking the X that wants her back is the X that she made out with. Cause listen, we have two guys in this story. There's the ex boyfriend she made out with and the X that she just dumped that she cheated on with the ex boyfriend. So which I'm thinking that the ex boyfriend that's coming back at her and wants her back and she can't get him off her back is the ex boyfriend she made out with. Not the one she just dumped. Yes. Right. And you think that's a good thing. What do you think? No, I think it's because it doesn't sound like she's into either of them. No, no. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. It's so funny because it's like, man, like you picked the wrong person because now you have even extra drama. You're feeling bad that you cheated and you don't even like the guy and he might tell on her and she feels so bad, which I listen, I think like, like the fact that all you did was make out and you feel bad means that you have like a good moral compass, right? Like, obviously not a cheater. You know, listen, I do think a lot of times, you know, the kind of cheating that happens on the tail end of a relationship, right, is a little bit different than the cheating that takes place once somebody that's doing it like throughout their whole marriage, like right from the start, like all the fucking time, right? Because I feel like a lot of people do sometimes and I'm not saying it's right at all, right? But a lot of people do wind up cheating when shit has hit the fan and it's terrible and they're just staying together and nothing's good anymore, but they just can't leave each other. And a lot of times that is when people cheat. Now, I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying it's less bad than the cheater that's cheating the whole time for just shits and giggles, right? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. Because, you know, if she's already checked out, it makes sense that she would be open to another connection, even if it's casual, even if it's not something she wants to invest in long term. Verse, if you're perfectly happy at home or you think you are and then you turn into this whole relationship with somebody else is very different than briefly kissing your ex. Especially because her guy moved three hours away. So it just seemed like they were on their way out. I know, like I said, when I cheated on my boyfriend, like I had just found out he had cheated on me so much. And I think it was like always kind of obvious, but I was like super young at the time. And then I like fuck somebody else. And then I told him actually to get him back. It's like on purpose, you know what I mean? So that he would know, you know, so my cheating was always like revenge cheating, you know, but I think a lot of times, like I said, people do cheat. And now anybody listening to this, this is the thing about cheating and cheaters, quote unquote or whatever, because I will always be like, I'm not a cheater at all, but I have cheated. So, you know, anyone sitting on that high horse, like anyone that cheats is a terrible person and you're going to call this poor 20 year old girl that like fucking made out with her ex boyfriend when her boyfriend moved away anyway. Like is a terrible person like calm yourself down because you never fucking know. Do you know what I mean? Like what you might do is sometimes people that aren't really cheaters and good girls like this girl that feels so bad, you know what I mean? Wind up cheating like, you know, and shit happens. Nobody's perfect. It can happen to the best of us. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, it's like, like you're Lucy, right? Like you had an open relationship and now you have a side guy, right? But your husband knows it's not cheating, right? Like that's really what you want to do is kind of like be upfront because you're not a fucking liar, right? Yeah. And it's just, yeah, it's not worth it just to be sneaking around or, you know, trying to keep your lives straight. I don't know. That just seems like an exhausting way to live. Yeah. And now she has to worry that this poor guy's going to blackmail her and tell her boyfriend. Well, especially because when you feel bad, then you're paranoid. So yeah, I bet she's stressing. I know, but I wanted to add this into the episode and do it first for this girl to let her know. Don't forget. Forgive yourself. Okay. Like there was a one point in my life where I did something very bad. I don't even want to say what I did, but I had to like, and I felt so shameful and terrible about myself because it was really terrible. But like, I got to a point where I had to be like, you know what? I have to realize like I did a terrible thing. I'm not a terrible person. Right. And there's a difference, right? Just because you did something terrible doesn't make you a terrible person. And that's what I hate about the judgey comments that people give. They like tell people they're terrible people for doing a terrible thing. But just because you do something terrible doesn't make you a terrible person. It's just you did a terrible thing. You did some things that obviously wasn't right for you because you feel so terrible about it. But you know what I tell my son when he feels so fucking bad, when he does something really wrong, I don't even punish him. Cause I'm like, you're punishing yourself enough. You're fucking bad feelings about what you did is enough punishment. And that tells me you're a good person and you won't do it again. This girl obviously feels terrible. She'll never fucking cheat again cause she hates herself for it. And I think that that's a good thing. You learn your lesson. You got your fucking judgment for yourself. Nobody else needs to judge her. But she should get over it. Get over it. Yes. Get over it. In a perfect world, we never do anything wrong and you know, whatever, but that's not realistic. No, that's not on my show. The fact is, I don't know about you, but some people, and I kind of consider myself to be this way in some aspects, you kind of almost have to make the mistake to learn from it. I don't learn as well from other people's mistakes or seeing what other people do. But when I make the mistake, then I don't want to make that make mistake again. Totally. Totally. So, you know, and if you feel bad, that's the first step. Because if you let yourself sit with that, then you're like, okay, I don't want to feel this way again. What do I need to change about myself? Or how did I get into that situation where I made this choice that I'm not proud of? And then you can actually grow and expand. And yeah, ideally you would never make a mistake. But as long as you learn from that mistake, I think that, you know, everything we go through makes us better in the end. Yeah, totally. And your 20s are like times for all of that shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. I give you a pass. Okay. I don't remember what you're doing. Yeah, you gotta give yourself a break. Yeah. Give her a pass. Okay. Hi, I'm calling because I wrote to you recently and you suggested that I call in with my confession. My confession really is a question confession. So I feel like I fall into the unicorn title. I'm single, recently divorced, and have inquired about the lifestyle over the last several years mentally and I think physically. I'm a little bit older than the average person in the lifestyle, I believe. So I'm in my 50s, late 50s. And my friends would say that I'm very outgoing, very flirtatious, always have been always wearing like Wednesday revealing clothes, but clothes that are more on the sexual side. I've always been a one partner kind of person, but in the last couple years, I've had more thought of being with other people and such. So I think that's where the unicorn on me comes, but I'm not interested really in being with a female. However, having the thought of a female watch me have sex with per se, her husband is like a total turn on. Now, I'm not to say that later in the sexual experience, I wouldn't mind having the female touch me or caress me. I believe that sex is all how you're exposed to it initially. So am I really a unicorn or am I just looking for an experience with a male partner where there's no attachments? I don't know if it's my upbringing that's holding me back from the thought of being with a female and a male. I'm not really sure and I don't want to go into this into the lifestyle and say I'm a unicorn and that I'm not portraying myself as something that I'm not. I want to release the thoughts and the curiosities and the feelings and the excitement that I have when I think about this type of lifestyle. I've been talking to a few people on the site. There have been a couple of couples that I've met and I think I've fallen to the unicorn with the cockle queen. I've been perceived when I tell them exactly how I feel like I am. They're like, yes, you're a unicorn and yes, we would like to speak to you because I want to be a great unicorn. I want to be like someone that once you experience with me, they're like, yes, we want to have another experience with her. I think it's definitely something for me. I just want to make sure I approach it correctly and thank you again. 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Plus teenagers under 16 can't change these default settings without parental approval. So parents can help teenagers connect safely. Learn more at instagram.com slash teen accounts. Okay, I'm so confused, but I really wanted to air her episode because she's really looking for advice, but I'm confused. I do think she's a cuck queen, though. I'm going to say really fast. I'm going to send it to you because I know you have a lot to say. But like, I do believe she is a cuck queen more so than a unicorn. And I think that's very different. She wants to like be with a couple, but not really be with a woman and watch. You know, that's a very specific thing. What do you have to say about this one? Well, so I'm hearing a little Layla and her. I'm hearing a cuck. I think she says cuck cake. No, cuckles. She said cuckle queen. She said she wants to watch the girl with the guy. No, no, no. She wants to fuck the guy and the girl. Oh, you're kidding. That's what I heard, which is what Layla likes. And later, they call it a cuck cake. That is a cuck cake. Yes. So that's what I'm hearing. So I definitely would avoid the unicorn word because that definitely implies that you are wanting to engage with the male and the, you know, or both elements of the couple, whatever that may look like. And what I do think could be an interesting angle, though, is that if she wants to engage as a unicorn, I feel like there has to still be something in it for the wife or the girlfriend or, you know, whatever, versus just, you know, maybe she just needs to go somewhere and be watched. Maybe she has more of that kink. You know, you don't necessarily need the person to be in a relationship with someone to enjoy someone watching you have sex. That might be what's kind of in the back of her head alluring her. But no, I think exactly what's alluring her. Listen, I do think if, okay, I think if she is not the one sitting there watching, which is much more a cuck coin scenario, she wants to be with the guy, then that is a unicorn. Plenty of unicorns are not into girl on girl action just because your unicorn does not mean you want to be with the wife. As far as I'm concerned, you don't think that's the case, but that's what I think. So, you know, and a lot of times a husband and wife does bring another girl in, but the girl doesn't want to be with the girl, but they bring in a unicorn, you know. So, and I do think she really wants to be with a couple and it's specific, like what she gets off is thinking about is being with the guy. And that is the, yes, much more of the cupcake thing. I don't know if she's getting turned on by the girl. Well, she did say she likes the girl watching her, right? So that is a little bit of a cuck coin, but it's still a little bit of a unicorn. Here's, oh yeah. And I definitely think it's like unicorn adjacent. I don't think she's not a unicorn at all. Yeah. But to me, I think there's a very big difference between we're all three going to be in the bed. I just don't want to touch her. I don't want her to touch me. I mean, even the fact she doesn't want her to touch her. No, no, no, she said I wouldn't mind having the female touch across me. She said down the road. Yeah. She said down the road. Yeah.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 engage with the other woman would be what if she could take the angle of like giving that woman tons of attention, tons of affirmation, telling her how beautiful she is, telling her what a good man she chose. Because maybe that other girl isn't going to be interested in any sort of humiliation. Like Layla really lays it on thick when it comes to that element. And I don't know if this girl even wants that, but it's like niche, niche on top of niche on top of niche. If she could find some way to be connecting with that other woman on that sort of level, I could see a lot of appeal to that. Like I wouldn't have any interest in just watching my partner just sitting off to the side doing nothing. But if in the overall dynamic, there was a connection, even if it was separate from sex or intimacy, I think that would be the only way to kind of achieve what it is she's looking for. I personally think though, I'm sorry that there are like, okay, so MFM threesome is, you know, the female, the F is in between the two M's because that means the men don't hang out. Hook up, right? You have an MFF threesome, but you also have an FMF threesome. Like there are plenty of threesome that happen where both girls are involved, but they don't touch each other. It's no different than when two guys are with a girl and the guys don't touch each other. Like plenty of threesome happen with a unicorn where the girl doesn't touch the girl, but the guy is with both girls, but they're not doing anything together. So I don't think it's like, if you don't let the girl touch you, it's not like you're not a unicorn. I don't think a unicorn means you were into the girl and the guy. It just means you want to be with a couple and you're down for threesome. And plenty of couples go looking for unicorns where the girl, it does not want to be with a girl, but they all want to be together. Hooking up. Yeah. And I, and I definitely agree with you on that. I think maybe, and maybe I just heard her story in a certain way, but again, like, I just think for it to be a threesome, like you're all three at least like doing things. Like, yeah, maybe the girls aren't touching, but are both girls getting fucked are, you know, you know what I mean? Like you're all three, say it's a bed, you're all three in the bed. Now it's a threesome. One person not in the bed, just watching and not partaking in any way. To me, that is not a threesome. Right. Well, this is because she got a specific. Yeah. It sounds like she's sitting on all of this and she's thinking a lot about it. And I say at this point, like she needs to, because she says it's, she said, like, I've met up with couples, right? Like I've been talking to couples, you know, like maybe she just needs to kind of pull the trigger because like, and just, right. And just kind of do it. I mean, there are plenty of couples, more couples, I think, with a girl that's not into being with a girl than there are vice versa. You know, maybe she won't sit there and just watch, but, you know, while you're participating, maybe she won't be like on top of her, you know what I mean? But I think at a certain point, she's just got to do it. I think that's what I would, I would try, I think, because if I heard her correctly of what I thought she was describing, I think that would be a really hard situation to find. But if she could try to warm herself up to the idea of all three people playing at the same time, but, you know, I don't know, let the girl touch you though. That's the one thing I would. Yeah, I don't think you could get past that. I don't, I mean, don't you listen to my show. I know you really do. Like there's tons of reasons that happen with two girls where they don't do anything together. That's a very normal thing. I don't think it's that hard to find. It's actually harder to find that the woman is actually interested in the other girl. Yeah. No, I think, I think I'm just like having a mental block because I'm so just imagining like that she wants like a cuck scenario. Because she brought it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think if that's true, but then I wish she would push herself out of her comfort zone a little bit and be willing to say like, okay, I don't want to do anything, but like it's okay if we like happen to brush up against each other because we're in close proximity because we're all playing. Totally. She has to be open to that. If you want to be with couples, you're going to be with the both of them. If you want to cook, cook cake scenario, then you have to say that and that is going to be harder to find. But I don't think she should lead with that because she talked about, she wants to be a great unicorn. She wants to be somebody that they're both like we love our experience with her and blah, blah, blah. So she needs to like put that, but I think she could put both on a unicorn that loves like the cupcake experience. She could literally put both because there's tons of couples that would probably be into that specific scenario as well as doing a threesome that doesn't include girl on girl action. Cause I'm sorry. Most couples I talk to a lot of times the girl doesn't want girl on girl action, but their guy wants to be with a girl and they're going to do the whole three something. So there's, it's totally fine to do. I just need her to know and go listen to my unicorn episodes, especially one with Lola Jean, who was like one of the first unicorns to come on and talk about the problems and the cons, not the pros, but the cons of being a unicorn and be prepared to feel certain ways and, and, and know your place in that sort of scenario. I'm not going to get into it because we have so many other confessions to get into, but there are negatives to being a unicorn that sometimes people don't take into consideration. And this woman sounds like really like vanilla to me before all of this and she's like ready to open up, which I give her credit for, you know, but just, you know, just make sure you are aware of the, the feelings that could come up being the third person in that couple unicorn scenario that I never knew existed, but plenty of unicorns have talked about with me, how they feel with being the unicorn two couples. It's not all perfect. There are these cons and she needs to go listen to the episodes with fun. Charlie, I'm repeating her episode soon as well as Lola Jean. Those are two great unicorn question episodes that talk about the problems that unicorns can have. You might feel a certain way. So there you go. Let's get to the next confession. Kathy, I was listening to your show about the brand that got banged by the brains man. Well, I was getting married to my now present wife. We were four days out from that. One of her classmates from school had a little bit of a problem. So they were, she was spending the couple of weeks with us. No big deal. She was kind of an insecure person. So every once in a while she would want to be our bed. So it would be me, my girlfriend slash gonna be wife and this woman would be on the other side. So I would normally make them some snacks and stuff before I went to bed because they'd normally still go one o'clock in the morning studying. So I made the snacks, took my pain meds, I just had an e-surgery. My wife came in and she said, Mary is going to be sleeping with the skin tonight. I'm like, all right. So I start to move over and I could smell Irish spring so strong. And I'm like, okay, what's going on? And I'm in this kind of druggy haze and Mary is standing next to the head of the bed where I'm at and she drops her towel, butt naked. And there goes a threesome. Three days later we get married and here is this look going between the three of us that did this really happen. So the next morning no one said anything. No one, it was never mentioned again for about five years and she was going to spend another week with us and this time she had kids and she suggested that it happened again and my wife was like, no, we're not doing that again. It got a little bit too whatever because it's real weird, bisexual. And now my wife is not, but we kind of stuck our toe in a lifestyle. And we have a lot of bad experiences. So we kind of gave that up to you later. Have a good day and I love your show. Okay. I need to talk to this guy because this is like a unicorn gone wrong story. Right. I mean, it sounds like, you know, they had that first threesome, which is so crazy. I've heard so many crazy stories that have happened after a wedding or right before a wedding, right? But the fact that his wife wasn't down the second time and they didn't talk about it and somehow, you know, things didn't go right when they got into unicorns. You know, into the lifestyle is super interesting. Okay. 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And if you head over to peek-a-vibe.com, slash strictly, you're going to get $15 off your order. Peek-a-vibe.com slash strictly, P-I-K-A-V-I-B-E.com slash strictly. $15 is going to be automatically applied at checkout or just go to the description and click on the link. It started out like I was like, oh, this is kind of hot, but then knowing that they never talked about it and then, you know, mentioning that they tried the lifestyle, it didn't work out. I was like, man, I didn't even hear you. He didn't tell us like how the threesome was, what they did. I'm like, give me more details, buddy. Well, sometimes on the confessions, they don't get into details and I do have them on like Gia, who I posted. If anyone hasn't listened to Gia's story, Gia has a husband and a lesbian partner, you need to listen to her story. It was one of the best episodes I've had. It was such a killer story. I promise you. Okay. But like, uh, you know, what was the point of my thing? I have to edit that out. Where is that going with the details? Oh yeah. She actually called first my confessions line and left like, you know, kind of the very short version and then I'm like, Oh, I get the details on the episode. Now, typically when I get confessions like this, I email, give me the details. You know, there was, I mean, he threw in there that they did wind up after that, getting involved in the lifestyle. So they obviously had a lot more things. I think a lot of times, especially if you're besties with someone, you might wake up the next morning and be like, Oh my God, what the fuck? I just never talked about it. I don't think that that's so uncommon, right? Like it's post nut clarity exists for men and women. Maybe they felt really weird about it the next morning, you know? Yes. And honestly, not talking about it for a little while. It seems normal. Like, you know, let's go into wedding mode, you know, whatever. But it kind of sounded at first to like, maybe there was like some kind of sexy tension going on, whatever. But then when he went to, we didn't talk about it for five years, I was like, Oh, okay, they really brushed that one under the rug. And I'm like, maybe it wasn't that great. No, but they obviously got it. No, because they entered into the lifestyle, he said, and they started doing other things. So maybe it was no big deal considering what they did afterwards. They got into the lifestyle, but things did not go well in the lifestyle. And it turned out his wife was not into chicks. And when this girl comes back way later, she's very by and it's not going to work out. Yeah. Yeah. And let me tell you, there's a difference between like, you know, before you get married and you're still dating and you share your guy and you're young and everything, then, you know, fast forward so many years later and you got a house and kids and, you know, you're married to this guy for so many years. And now you maybe you don't want to share your friend with him anymore. You're, you know what I mean? Maybe it's very, it's much, there's more to lose. It feels different, right? Can't you see that? Totally. And that's my initial impression is like, okay, it was a wild spontaneous thing. Exactly. Yeah. Love that. Wild spontaneous thing. But then she probably didn't really like it. And obviously I'm just projecting and guessing. Yeah, exactly. It's all we could do. But I'm thinking the guy got bit by the bug and was like, oh, that was really fun. Like maybe he was the one kind of trying to push them to have more experiences. And maybe it didn't go well because she wasn't really that into it. It was just a one time thing that she was into on that day in that moment and never really wanted to, you know, go too much further. But I applaud her if she tried, you know, but that was kind of what I was imagining may have been the progression of those events. Yeah, definitely. And I definitely think a lot of like gone wrong stories and probably ones I haven't even had on my show are stories where the wife sort of went along with something like that, maybe because the guy was really into it. And I feel like girls are so much nicer than me. Okay. They wind up doing things for guys all the time to be cool with them. You know what I mean? But maybe not necessarily because they want to, you know what I'm saying? And that is could be, I think is probably the story for a lot of people that get into the lifestyle. The girl gets involved because the guy pushes her into, but it's really just not for her, you know, and maybe it sounds like maybe that's the case because it doesn't sound like he wasn't down to have it. Maybe when she came back for the threesome, so many years later, but he said, my wife, my wife wasn't down for it. Right. But I just can't, I just can't believe like right before the wedding, did you hear my episode I had recently with the girl who her husband and her had a threesome with her husband's best friend right before his wedding the night before the night before. I think that was on my binge list. Oh, you need to listen. It's crazy. It's crazy. I just think that I listened to so many episodes back to back that some of the stories are blurring to that one. You would definitely. That one people should listen to because it was so crazy. They had a threesome with somebody right before the night before the wedding. And then it went on and it happened, you know, a lot of times after it was crazy. I think it's, you know, different when it's guys and girls. Yeah, I love to hear that. Oh yeah, because it was his friend. Yes, it was the guy friend. It's different. Yeah. But, you know, yeah. And so I just think that this was a fun story. I hope I emailed him to say I texted typically when I get that good confession, I text someone and say, Hey, you want to be on the show? You know, so I probably did. I don't know. I've booked, I booked so many people who the fuck knows, but hopefully he'll be on with more details, but let's get to the next confession. Hi, this is Michelle from episode 1026. I was just calling to give you an update on some of the fun stuff that I've been up to my husband and I went to an adult theater with two of our friends that are into the kink community. At first I sat down and watched as my lovely friend gave multiple men blowjobs to sat back and enjoyed the view. And then some of the gentlemen started asking me if I was going to participate. At that moment, I was not ready to participate, but then one of the gentlemen asked if they could touch my tits and I was like, Yeah, sure. So he started touching them. I took my top down and he was touching my bare tits. And then I started having cocks shown up in front of my face, which I have a huge oral fetish and decided that I would also enjoy what my friend was enjoying. So here both her and I are blowing men in this adult theater. I blew about, I believe it was five or six gentlemen. They came on my tits. One did come in my mouth a little bit. My husband was even being the loving husband that he is by holding my hair back as I was enjoying sucking these different men's cocks. And, you know, it's lots and lots of fun. We would like to go back to the theater at some point in time with our friends. But anyways, I've also been doing with these set of friends that we have. Electrical play, fire play and all sorts of other play. They again are in the kink community and they are educators at events. They are opening up a lot of doors for us. We are actually over there playing with them last night. So the next time we go over, they are going to do rope play with me. His lovely wife is going to tie me up in a nice little neat package and do some rope play with me. And then they're going to do some other play pipe play. I do believe was one of the other pipe bondage and a vacuum bed and everything. So I'm getting to experience a lot of cool things. And I look forward to experiencing a lot more. Thank you for taking my call and have a good day. Bye. OK, Michelle is into a good time. I mean, right? I love her. Do you love Michelle? You hit it off. You kick it off. Well, OK, I just have to say, doesn't it just make your heart so warm and fuzzy when you hear these stories of people that have like met these perfect people for them like they are some so aligned? I'm so happy for them because as a couple, it's not that easy to find another couple that, you know, there's mutual attraction and you're on the same, you know, journey. And I love that they almost sound like they're in a mentorship role. Like they are maybe a little bit more experienced than the other couples along for the ride. It sounds like, you know, she wasn't sure if she wanted to join in on the blowing. And then she warmed up to it, which I think that a lot of times, and this almost calls back to our first call. I think sometimes as women, we like almost just have to put ourselves in the situation and go with the flow because sometimes something that you might not have thought you were into or wanted to do, you know, even a few minutes later, you start warming up, you know, girls, we take a little longer to get, you know, in, you know, like let the mind catch up to the body. But, um, yeah, I just this, this story warmed my heart. I loved it. Warmed your heart. Yeah. Listen, she did say, I mean, the funny thing was, was after she said she started getting into it, she realized she's like, she did cop to the fact that she's like on a very big oral fixation. So I would have been surprised if she didn't take part in any woman that's in an adult theater to begin with, right? Has already sort of crossed a lot of lines, right? Like, would you ever go to an adult theater? I mean, you did, because you did experiment with a lot of things and did a lot of crazy things with your guy. People could go listen to your episodes. Would you ever go to an adult theater with a guy? I think if it was the right situation, I, I feel like I haven't personally had an appeal to, you know, go to any of those more social events that were all centered around that experience. But, you know, never say never ask me at the right time. And what do you mean by social events? You mean public event, like being in public instead of just doing like solo stuff with your guy, maybe other people in private, you're saying this like is a public thing. Yeah. Like a social event that is centered around the intention of sex and kink and yeah, yeah, of course. Has it directly appealed to me personally again, because if anybody remembers my, I'm like, so I like things to happen organically and you know, whatever. And so it's not very organic if you go somewhere where the idea is to have that experience. Right. But like I said, maybe I should take my own advice and lean in and try something. You know, maybe someone asked me at the right time and I'll say yes. Yeah, you just, you just mentioned that you're down. That you should just go. You never know. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, as she did say that the other people that she's friends with are educators, right? In the kink community. Have you ever heard of pipe play? I don't know what the fuck she's talking about. What's vacuum play? Like what the fuck is that? Yeah. You play. Oh my God. Yeah. This, this girl is open to it all and I love that for her. I heard those words and I was like, that's a no for me, but I am so happy. And she's, you know, she sounds so excited about it. She doesn't sound hesitant or unsure. Like she wants to have every different experience and I love that for her. Well, don't you find it. I don't know about you, but I think it's typical human being nature, right? That when you sort of push the line and cross a boundary and do something, then that's like really great. But the more you do it, it becomes like, oh, that's not even that big of a deal. So now you got to push it a little further and then further, you know, and that isn't that like the way it goes? I don't know. You tell me you were someone that did like a threesome and then you did a threesome with like three guys and then you. I know I'm like, wait, you're telling on me now. I mean, is that true? I think, I think it can be. I definitely think it can be or just, you know, it opens your mind to, okay, I did that and that really didn't feel so crazy. So what if I do this, you know, you, it kind of just expands your horizons. I think when you have an addictive personality, like I try to, I try to fight against that thought process of like, okay, this made me happy. Now I need to step it up. It's not really that, you know, I still want to make sure I'm always happy with, you know, even if it's simple vanilla missionary sex, I want to find that just as exciting as if I went and fuck five guys tomorrow. You know what I mean? So that's smart because I'm telling you the problems happen when people start pushing, like I'm airing someone's episode where her and her guy were doing hotwifing and the reason why she started playing solo and got like a boyfriend is because like, and it almost ruined their marriage and it was because her husband kind of like the idea now to push it further. Like you actually like him. You know what I mean? That whole, her actually liking him added to it because he was already getting all the rest of the stuff. And so you push it further and further and then there are caught feelings and there was problems and that's what happened. So, and I do think, I mean, I'm an addict personality. So I know, and you do have to, it is not good to, I think, chase after that and always want the next thing because sometimes you wind up crossing boundaries that you're, I mean, this woman is just hardcore. And I do believe most hardcore people that are on my show, Casey was one of them. Like a lot of times like it is what happens. So, and I don't know that it's so addictive. It's just that kind of been there, done that, whatever. So now she's like, let's go here and they're just like super open. So now she's at an adult theater and she's doing all this. I mean, in her first episode, she was like, they were, they just started swinging, they were full swap, swapping with couples. She was looking up with women. Now she's in adult theaters blowing guys. She's just kind of like open to try it all. She sounds very enthusiastic and happy as far as I'm concerned. You know, no, no, she's not confused at all. You know, and that's why it does sound in her, in her instance, it sounds very healthy, not like she's trying to reach some new high or top her last experience. More just that she's completely open. Like, hey, I've had these experiences and they were really fun. So why not try this one? Even if I don't like it, you know, then I know, you know, okay, that's not on my list of stuff that I enjoy, but I love that she's just in a season of her life where she can just explore and has people. I think that that's such a big part though is the people that you're doing with it, with our, our big part of well, that's what it sounds. Yeah. And that's what it sounds like. It sounds like she tagged along with this woman who was doing the BJ's. You know what I mean? She was like, they're watching this woman do it. It was probably these educated people brought them along. She winds up being there because these people go and then this person is doing what they normally do there. And then she jumps in and winds up joining in on the action. Kinda kind of crazy. Yeah. It's a good update, Michelle. Now, after your role play, your role play and vacuum play and pipe play, now you can come back on because I want to know what the fuck all that stuff is about. Cause I've never even heard of it. Fireplay? Fireplay. I've heard of fire play. I, but I don't know. Vacuum play. I have like, is that when you like vacuum up parts of your body? I like, what could that be? What else can it be? I wonder. It's like suctioning stuff. I don't know. Maybe it's, maybe it goes on your pussy like your beloved pussy pump. Yeah. Oh my God. I can't. Consider vacuum. Yeah. You're right. I love the vacuum. You're right. I'm like obsessed with the pops. I feel like maybe we like it. It's an intense sucking. Nobody ever turned that down. Exactly. Exactly. All right. Let's get to the last guy. He wants some advice. I feel like maybe you could help him. Hold on. Okay. Let's get to the next confession. Hey, Kathy. I'll start off with a code name I've been given, which is Gemini. I just wanted to call the hotline for the first time. I swear I'd never do it, but here we are. I just wanted to confess that my wife and I have somewhat agreed to opening our relationship. It's kind of complicated, but I finally confessed to my wife that, you know, some past experiences that I've done in the past and shared some things with her. And we kind of talked about maybe having some fun with a couple and yeah, just wish me luck. I've got a whole lot of fantasies and fetishes and stuff like that. But yeah, while you figured I would take it slow, we have a good sex life. We are newly married, but we've been together for, I'm going to say seven years now and we're deeply in love with each other. And this all started, I will say, through kind of an awkward moment where I was kind of confessing to her some things. And I was kind of getting frustrated because she wasn't the most in my eyes, easy to talk to at first, but it kind of boiled down to, you know, just me coming clean and like, you know, hey, listen, I love you. And, you know, this is what I think about all the time. I would love to see you with a couple. I don't think she could handle emotionally if it was a full swap. But, you know, I told her I would love to see you with a girl and maybe sometime even a guy. So we'll see. Like I said, wish me luck. You know, I've been listening to your podcast for a real long time and I've got a lot of past experiences. You know, I've been in smaller group play. I've been with two girls at a time. I've been with another guy and a girl in between us. I, you know, I'll throw out high school too. I mean, we always, if we're, me and a friend, we're in a relationship, you know, and my buddy was in a relationship with another girl, we would, you know, we would swap girlfriends and stuff like that. We didn't think anything of it. And now my wife's past is nothing, anything close to that. So yeah, you know, she's, she's a little nervous at first. So I'm just giving her her time and, you know, I apologize to her if anything. I didn't want to come across as she isn't enough for me. So there were some tears and things like that. So I, you know, apologized and because I do love her, I never want to break her heart. She means the world to me. I, I just want to see her happy. And, you know, I look forward to hopefully sharing some spicy, you know, adventures with her in the future. I hope she understands that. So I hope you had a wonderful Easter and you have a great rest of your week. Kathy, take care of yourself. Bye now. Okay. That's a lot to unpack. I mean, I love his whole honest, very honest, very realistic. If you ask me a scenario, right? Because I feel like that might be the way a lot of women would react if all of a sudden you go to them and I don't know if she knew about his past. I'm hoping she did. But if she had no idea of his past, because he had done a lot of stuff and all of a sudden he just comes clean as like, I want to see you with couples and women. I mean, that's a lot for a vanilla woman to take on out of nowhere. Don't you think? Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, he sounded like he was very nice and he like, endless. And I think sometimes the, the best thing to do is just like hit that first domino down, right? Because then everything follows and maybe he didn't do it the right way. And maybe he put it on way too thick at first because there were tears. Okay. So why did his wife start crying? I don't know what the fuck he said at first, but you know what? I give him credit to at least like do it, you know? And, and, and he sounds like a nice guy that he'd said everything he could to make those tears go away, right? Like he felt really bad and he got hurt or sort of understand where he was coming from because where he was coming from was not. I mean, just because a guy does want those things doesn't mean that he's not happy with what he has, you know? And that's what, of course, a woman is going to assume, right? And what he needs to tell her, but it's really apples and oranges, right? Totally. Oshjet. Powerful, compact purification. That's quiet. I agree. And, you know, I think it's interesting. And I think because it does sound like his heart is in the right place, you know, it doesn't sound like he wants to manipulate her into doing this or force the issue if it's something she's not comfortable with. And I think, you know, if anybody remembers back to my first episode, you know, when I first brought up this concept to Trey, you know, it was, I kind of completely blindsided him and, and it wasn't like, okay, now we're going to do it tomorrow because I told you I wanted to do it yesterday. You know, we gave it some space, some time to breathe, some time to just fantasize about it first and then bring it into just our own sex life to just talk about it, you know, and you give that advice a ton too, that, you know, sometimes somebody might not ever be open to having those types of experiences. I think that is a very specific person that is going to want those experiences. Me personally, if I was in a relationship and I found out that my, my partner had had all these experiences, I hope she already knew about that. If she already knew that I feel like she had to expect this on some level. And, and then hopefully it's not so jarring, but if she didn't know, that's a lot to process all at once. So I could understand, you know, some overwhelmed tears or feeling like, oh, he's missing what he used to do. And because he's not fully, you know, fulfilled currently. Yeah. That's what it sounds. I would bet money that she didn't know about his past. Cause I think a lot of people would keep that out of it, especially if like, you know, he did that stuff. It was fun. It was with people maybe he wasn't like with completely like her, then he meets this woman that he loves and wants to marry. Like maybe he's not going to come clean about that stuff. You know, right? Yeah. I think a lot of guys might not share that and women too. Right. Might not share that shit with the person, you know, cause God forbid you might be nervous that they might get freaked out. Yeah. And that's where I'm like, you know, we can't, we can't rewrite history. You know, however he handled it is however he handled it. But if I were to give a guy, say he was calling in before ever bringing all of this up to her, I would have encouraged him to kind of be like, canceling Gretel with the little breadcrumbs here and there. You know, just, just every once in a while, drop one little story at a time. See how she reacts. You know, go from there, not dump the whole thing all at once. And I'm not assuming that that's how he handled it. But, you know, just if I were to give a word to the wise, you know, just the little micro dose, these ideas and then see how it's received. And then from that point too, you can also adjust your delivery and your approach based on how they respond. Like if you notice that that starts making her feels super insecure. Well, what I would do is the next time I wanted to bring something like that up, I would make sure that that was at a time when I'd been giving her hella compliments, telling her how bomb the sex was, how tight her pussy is, how wet she is, you know, how bomb, like how happy he is. Build a foundation of that. Then when she hears, Hey, what if we tried some other stuff she wouldn't even go to, Oh, I'm lacking because she could look back and be like, Oh, no, he's been affirming me every step of the way. Like I know our sex life is bomb because it is. Vers maybe if she was already feeling a little insecure, like, and then he drops that that's going to be received very differently. So, you know, it's always kind of a matter of timing and making sure that your person is completely supported and confident. And that that's true for the lifestyle from step one to step a thousand. Yeah, no, that foundation. Yeah, for sure. And it's communication. And I mean, I think that like, you know, it's, you know, telling a woman out of nowhere that you want to see them with other people a lot of times for women. And I just had this conversation with someone and she said, she's a woman who is now hotwifing, but she was like, a quote unquote, a good girl. And she said, like for her sex was meant love, right? Like that's how she related to, she was only with two husbands. She never played around. You know, that's what sex was for her. It was always with love and that's what it meant. So, you know, that's what a lot of people, that's what a lot of women feel. And that's what they live by. So for you to say, for a man to say to them, Oh, I want to see, but men don't feel that way. Right. Like her husband's not coming there saying, I want you to be with other people and fall in love with them or anything like that's not what he's looking for. But that's what she's going to hear. You know what I mean? And you have to understand that women are wired very differently. And we think of sex differently and a lot of women do sort of equate it and they can't just go. They don't, you know, they don't see a guy across the way and see a bulge coming out of his pants and feel attracted to him. Like we're not wired like men that way. You know what I mean? It's not, it's not like an easy sell to be like, Oh, I want to see you to be with someone else. And she's going to be like, fuck, yeah, I couldn't wait for you to tell me that. You know what I mean? Like I can't wait to fuck 10 more guys. You know, most of the time she is going to be like, what the fuck? Like, why do you want me to see me with other people? Like that doesn't make any sense. Like, do you love me? Like that's always like the first thing a woman's going to feel like, how do you are? You are the one that did it in your relationship. So you're kind of like backwards. Like how did your husband feel when you say, did he have any kind of like insecurities about it at first? Yeah. I mean, he didn't cry, but he definitely expressed, you know, some reservations initially, but more, more with curiosity. You know, not, not judging what I was putting out there or not saying like absolutely yes or no, but more, you know, asking me questions of like, well, what if you, you know, liked that experience better and it affected how you felt about me? You know, not necessarily assuming that that was going to happen, but like, how would I handle it if it did? Right. So that's where I feel like, I think too, when you bring up these things, it's so important to get clear on what your main motivation is. You know, for me, I really brought everything up just, just to be open, not because I even needed any of this to happen, but just like, you know, I've been holding this inside of me that I have this fantasy and I thought this was hot for so long. And like, why am I not telling the person I'm closest to in the entire world? Like that's kind of crazy. And also the only person who could actually make this fantasy come true, like, you know, if it was ever going to happen, I would have to put it out there. But I think that there's a difference between the person who just kind of maybe wants to talk about it or, you know, be open or there are some people that are like, actually, I've realized that this is very important to me and this is something that I need. And if that's the case, I do think you should be very clear about that, not necessarily to them, but it would, it would affect your approach because you would need to, you know, go about it probably even more sensitively. If, if it was well, listen, in the middle of your vanilla marriage, you realize you need to be with other people. That might be a problem because maybe your partner is not going to. Yeah, but it sounds like this guy did all this. I get, listen, I give him credit. It sounds like he had all this fun and he was very open minded guy in his youth when he was whatever. And then he gave it all up to get married, have the kids, why pick offense, wasn't thinking about it. And now those thoughts are coming up and he's like, I want to like try this stuff out. And instead of going and like, you know, jerk it off behind her back, thinking about it, doing shit online, maybe, you know, cheating on her and living out these fantasies, he actually copped to it, which I give him credit for, you know, and that's where everything starts. It starts with conversations. Now it does get to the point where like, what if your wife never wants to do this? Like, are you going to be okay? Is it a need? Well, then you might have a problem because a lot of people are not going to sign up to have an open relationship. That's the truth. Like I always say for my show, like it's not like I do my show and I'm like here to say everybody should open up the relationship and fuck other people. All I'm here to say, and I don't think the majority of people ever will. I think there's plenty of people that are just wired from not monogamy. But what my show is here to say is that you can open it up and it can work and you can be closer because of it, you know, but it's not for everybody. So, you know, if his wife isn't into it, then what happens, you know, that's, that could be a problem. But it sounds like this guy is like super open, communicating. He's coming from the right place. Like, you know, like I said, I don't know, because there were tears. I don't know how he brought it up to her, you know, listen, too much at once. Yeah, but listen, I remember a girlfriend. No, no, but I remember my girlfriend calling me up crying because she found porn underneath her guys bed. Some women are just so vanilla that they, like a, like a, like a thought like that. Their husband coming and saying to them, I want to see you a couple's could make them cry. You know what I mean? Because it, they feel like, because I think like we said before, it's like them saying, I don't love you. You know, it must have meant something. So I don't know how he said it, but he didn't maybe say it in the right way. But at least he said it and that's where the conversation starts. And the thing with conversations, this is what I always tell, especially like my fetish people, but it's for anybody in the life story. Anyone trying to have a conversation about anything with their partners. Like it's never going to be one conversation. You know, it's not one conversation. They understand it and everything gets resolved. And if it doesn't get resolved, then it's not on the table. You know what I mean? It has to, it's like the initial conversation is just the opening. It's that first domino. And, but then you have to have tons of conversations after a lot of times someone won't understand things the first time. Most of my hot wiping stories are guys that play the long game. The long game sometimes is months. Sometimes it's years. Sometimes it's a 10 conversations. Sometimes it's many conversations over five years. You know, you just don't know, but the truth is in this situation, your wife, you have to go at her pace. You're going to go at her pace, you know? So you have to keep talking to her, bringing it up, making it feel like validating her feelings, making her feel like you love her. And this has nothing to do with anything other than just a little fun. And you have to allow her to go at her own pace. Like if you, like you said before, like if he sees her getting upset again, because he's pushing too much, don't fucking bring it up for a while. You know what I mean? And then bring it up. But it does take a while and you have to continue to talk about it. If it's something that's important to you. It just, it is without making the other person upset. You know, they should hear you out though. She should hear him out, right? And he's doing it, but he should not push too much. That's always the problem. You know what I mean? Like now that you brought it up, don't bring it up every fucking night you're with her. Okay. Yeah. It'll be too much. And again, and just to go back to what I said, and actually I would ask you, your friend, was she very secure in her relationship before she found the porn? Oh my God. She was the funniest thing this girl. She was like the biggest fucking cheater. I didn't understand her. You know what I mean? Like, and I think she used to fuck all my boyfriends to be have my back, my friend. Oh, she was like a crazy girl. But she just was like clueless to guys in that way. She, you know, I don't know. Like some women only have like girlfriends and they don't know anything about guys. And some women know more about God. You know, I mean, there are a lot of women out there that think like porn is cheating. They don't understand. They think if their guy watches porn and meet, like, I don't think that at all. I was like laughed at her when she called me up, but she was genuinely horrified, depressed. She thought, like, why does he need these? And this is like back in the day where there was no porn. It was like playboys. You know, I mean, like, why does he need this if he has me crying? And I'm like, Oh my God. But she was that upset, you know? Yes, she was secure in her relationship. It had nothing. I don't think it had anything to do with the relationship. It just had to do with her being clueless about men. Men don't see sex as love. So that's why they could go and like get sexual with a woman in a magazine. It means nothing to them. But because a woman, it means something. She thinks that when he's jerking off to the girl on the TV, it means something more because that's maybe what it would be for her. I don't know, but it's not it's not the case. And that's that's like a big disconnect between men and women sometimes. Yeah. Well, I would just just on just on the flip side of that, but, you know, there could just be some element where some people just don't understand or, you know, whatever. But to me, what I hear, if I hear that the reaction was to cry, I'm like, that tells me there could be some insecurity to deal with and not to say she's an insecure person, but maybe I don't know. I mean, I've just been there, you know, where something, you know, at a point in time when, when Tray and I are doing great, didn't bother me at all. And I, you know, because I knew he and I were solid, then that same exact thing at a different time might make me feel like shit. And totally. But listen, we got it. No, no. But if, okay, these are, there's two scenarios in the situation. Okay. If she knew nothing about his past life, okay. Yeah. Out of the blue, this little, because he sounds vanilla himself with her. Okay. She knows a vanilla husband that's never done anything except be monogamous with her. She married him. He's the father of her babies, whatever. Regular guy. He comes to her with all that shit. I could see a totally secure woman starting to cry. It does not mean she feels insecure. If she knew about everything and knows who this person is. And now he says, Hey, I want you to do it. Maybe it could be out of insecurity, but I don't necessarily mean if a woman starts crying, like a woman, listen, if the man's crying, maybe there is an insecurity there, but like, but like, but for a woman crying, I think, you know, a lot of vanilla women might find that horrifying. If that's like out of nowhere, that comes out of nowhere because they would think my husband doesn't love me and that would make them and feel insecure for the first time in their life. So I don't think it's about feeling insecure before. It's about feeling insecure at that moment. Cause what the fuck does that mean? Where the fuck did that come from? But with that said, I do think that regardless, nobody's going to be worse off for receiving a bunch of affirmations and compliments and feeling great about where they're at. You have to do that too. Of course. So, so that's why I'm like, whether, whether your girl is starting out secure or not secure in your relationship, it's, you're still not going to be fucking yourself over by making sure before you bring this stuff up that you're super intentional to affirm your actual relationship and, and connection. So she feels really solid in that before you bring anything like this to the table, or if you already have, bump it up a little bit, make sure she knows that she is hot, she is loved, she is supported, she's secure. You're going to have a much more receptive woman and hopefully less tears. If that's the case. Yeah. Well, listen, this is a lifestyle three sums opening up your relationship is not for anybody in an, it like an insecure relationship. You have to be rock solid foundation. That's why a lot of times I have people on there doing it after being together for many, many, many, many years. Some people, people start off that way, but it's after being married two, three times, you know what I mean? And they're older and stuff like, but you know, and I think younger people are starting off that way. A lot of times now it's a different world, but I do think that, you know, security and a strong foundation in a marriage is first and foremost. And if anyone's feeling insecure about anything that has nothing to do with sex in that relationship, well, then forget about going and having a three seven and work on your relationship first. You know what I mean? Because that's not going to help. It's never going to help anything. It's only going to ruin it. You know what I mean? So that's like a bad thing, but I don't know. I need more information from him. Well, listen, Lucy, people should listen to all your episodes. You weren't just on once. You were on a bunch of times. Okay. I should re-air some of your episodes. You were a six 69, Lisa, and her husband opened up their marriage out of a three sums and people loved your episode. You were a great storyteller. Okay. Then you're on a girl talk episode about hot wife, fake and sexting. Then you guys did more three sums and four sums. And then your husband came on. So, oh my God, they could really go hear all your stories. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. You've been on before. So thanks so much for coming on and doing these confessions with me. It's always fun to have people on that. I know I like to do these confessions. I was with people like, I kind of know, you know, what I mean? So it's like, yeah, kind of fun chemistry, whatever. But I think you gave some good advice. You were perfect on this episode. Thanks so much for calling up and doing the thing. Will you send me a page for my page? Yeah, no. Yeah, sure. Okay. Well, so, so if anyone wants to see her, she's on my page. Yeah. Okay. Good. We'll do a hot pack. She's hot. I've seen a reefer. So you got to try my page to see her. But anyway, thanks, Lucy. Thanks so much for calling it. Bye. Thank you. Bye. The world moves fast. You work day, even faster, pitching products, drafting reports, analyzing data. Microsoft 365 Copilot is your AI assistant for work, built into Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and other Microsoft 365 apps you use, helping you quickly write, analyze, create, and summarize. 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