Cubarsi's Controversial Red

Hear that. That's a McVitie's moment starting. Whether it's a work catch-up, oh, don't mind if I do. Or five minutes in the work run. Go on, help yourself. Grab the digestives today and make it a McVitie's moment. Welcome in to the latest edition of ESPNSC. I'm Dan Thomas joined by Craig Burley and Stevie Nicar will kick things off in Spain in the Champions League quarterfinal between Barcelona and Atletico Madrid. Barcelona would start the better of the two sides. Big chances for Marcus Rastford that was unable to convert La Mena Malle. Dancing past the Atleti players early on, but a big moment in the game would become four minutes before the end of the first half. Simeone brought down by Cubar C. The referee would initially give a yellow. However, he was sent to the monitor and it was declared it was the denar of a goal-scoring opportunity and he'd be given a straight red and from the resulting free kick Julian Alvarez would make it 1-0. Barcelona rallied in the second half. More chances that they failed to convert. A big talking point actually would come in the 54th minute. Mousseau and Poubille. Poubille handling the ball when it looked like the goal kick had already been taken. The referee didn't go to the monitor. Nothing was given. Flick was furious after that and it didn't help his mood when Seuloth made it 2-0 to give Atleti a nice advantage going into the second leg in Madrid. For more on this, let's welcome in, shall we? Frank LaBurfe is with us. As is Stuart Robson. Robbo, how did this happen? It happened because Barcelona didn't take their chances when they had them early on. Rashford, as you saw, just had those chances and they didn't play quite as well as they normally do in an attacking sense in that first half and Atleti, I thought, did okay. They tried to press the ball a little bit higher up the field. They just didn't drop in and they made it quite difficult for Barcelona. It was a Barcelona of the better team for the first 20 minutes, but the game changed obviously completely in terms of the score line with the free kick and the sending off. But in the second half, Barcelona still dominated the play. They still created one or two good chances without them being clear cut chances, but they were always vulnerable on the counter attack and Seuloth, as he's done so often against Barcelona, comes on as a sub, gets in the right place at the right time, as Craig just said, gets in between the centre halves, gets in front of Martín and finishes it brilliantly. And for all their huffing and puffing, for all their decent play, Barcelona just couldn't find the breakthrough. They probably missed five or six chances without them being absolutely sitters. They loved to give... And if he'd go away to... Sorry, Rob, I thought you'd finished. Yeah, go on, Craig. No, I'm going to say they loved to give themselves a mountain to climb in Fossilins. Well, we saw it, of course, in the Coppa del Rey, four-nil down in the first leg there. That was four-nil, but then they were taking them back to the camp now. Yeah. Obviously, two-nils, obviously. Much less damage in score line, but you're now having to go to Madrid. They missed Raphinha today, didn't they? Yeah, and look, some of those chances for Rashford were difficult. The first one was, the first one he rushed and he scoffed. The one at the back post in the first half, the angle was against him. That one there, the touch was a bit heavy, but I thought, you know, the ones that balls played from La Mignamal, the goalkeepers came out quite early. So he has to go around them, then the angle is against him. But yeah, you're going to miss Raphinha. Again, I'll say the same thing as I said in the Coppa del Rey, where they almost came back. I still fancied them. I do. But Hansi Fleck said in an interview we listened to just before we came on air, he said, they are dangerous up front and they can punish you. And that's what happened in the first leg of the Coppa del Rey. And today they were punished by a great free kick from Julian Alvarez. I think when Antoine Griezmann standing back and letting somebody else take a free kick, then you know that they've got good quality. But yeah, I still fancied them to come back, but giving themselves a bit of a mountain to claim. Where do you stand with the red card, Stevie? It's a red card. You know, as a defender, when you get caught on the wrong side, it then becomes your responsibility not to make contact with your attacker. And we can talk about whether the ball was behind them, did they have control of it. But at the end of the day, regardless of where it is, he's not going to be able to control it if the defender bumps him and he basically runs into his back leg. And so, as I said, defensively, you get caught on the wrong side. Your responsibility, when you're behind, is to not make contact in any shape, way or form. And he doesn't do that. He completely and utterly makes contact. And down he goes and I think the red card is the right call. And see, that ball is only a yard. It's not spinning 10, 15 yards away from him. It's always going to be within a yard or two and Cundy's never getting round. So I think, and I think that was maybe in the referee's mind when he gave the initial yellow. But then I think when he looked at it in the monitor and he saw that, you know, the player was going to regain control of the ball within a reasonable area and Joe's Cundy was never going to get round and cover. Then I thought it was a red as well. Yeah. Mr. LeBeouf. Yes, we disagree with my colleagues in a way that I agree with the free kick and I agree that would be a yellow card. But that's the big point of the analysis of Stevie and the first sentences when he said, yeah, he's not in control. The ball is behind him. He's not in control. I think you needed a clear opportunity and a real chance to score a goal, to give a red card. And it's not. It's again, he's not in control of the ball. The ball is behind him. He missed the control. So even if he gets the ball, even if Goobas, Goobas doesn't make any foul, it doesn't have a chance to score. So therefore, for me, you know, card would have been enough and I think would have been a different story tonight, 11 against 11. Robbo. Well, when I first saw it, I thought it's got to be a red card. He's given a foul. He's running on and goal. The defender's behind him. But when I saw the replay and the back leg goes up from Simeone, I'm thinking, does he initiate the contact? So I would have probably gone to the VAR and gone the other way. I'd have just given a, I'd have sent him off, off the first view and then seeing the VAR, I would have probably given a yellow card and changed it round. Because I think that the initial contact was made almost by Simeone, putting his leg back in to the... It's quite hard to think to do that Robbo. It's a good one. You're running that way. You're running that way and somehow you launch your leg that way. That's going against physics, I believe, isn't it? But, you know, in the end, Steve is absolutely right in terms of, if you get on the wrong side, if you don't see the run, there's the big fault. And you're always going to have problems if you're chasing back and it only needs a little bit of contact or something like that to happen and you're in trouble. How would you rate LaMigna Marl tonight? Obviously, we talked a lot about Alisa yesterday and we talk about LaMigna Marl in the same conversation. He did a lot of things right, but they just didn't seem to be that final ball, Robbo. Well, he started off, he went past Marco Ruggieri a couple of times, and then he played the worst pass you'd ever see. He didn't see the athletic player and that started him off. But when they went a goal down and when they were playing with Tim and he was the player you wanted the ball to go to, every time he got the ball you thought, well, he might go past him, he's gone past the first one, he's gone past the second, can he get his shot away? But when you're outnumbered, they always got blocks in, they just stopped that final cross, that final shot. So, he did everything he possibly could to get Barcelona back in the game, but it wasn't quite his night. He didn't quite have the end product. Some of his general play, as you saw in those highlight package, was absolutely magnificent. I think that was the reason that he was doing it over, doing it. Because of those, in quick succession, those two horrendous passes after looking so great, I think that is the reason he was trying to make up for that. He had that in his mind and so he over does it. So, instead of going by two and then maybe three and then releasing the pass, because clearly, if you've got three men around you, there has to be a gap, he just didn't quite get his head up and then that's why he overdid it. But I think it was all to do with those first two heli doors. Where are you like, really? I've never seen Hansi Flix so angry though. Well, this was the incident after my check, have you? He brought it up here, because they asked him about the red card and he said it could be a red, maybe a red, maybe not. On the Cubar scene? And then he brought up the goal kick incident and was like, if you have that, then this is surely where you have to use it. Now, I'd let him argue, obviously, the goalkeeper's just passing it to his player. Yeah, but that's starting to play. I mean, where do you... This is such a grey area, I mean, but should it be? If the ball is still, because you can't play a moving ball, certainly when you're taking a free kick around like that, if that ball is still and the goalkeeper plays it, it has to be in play. But we saw this last year with Arsenal by a minute, it was last year, the year before, I can't remember. And it was so casual from the goalkeeper, but I think that ball's back in place. So they can take the grey area away. Before they changed it, a goal kick was taken on either side, it was on the corner, the corner of the... That takes away all the grey area. And then all of a sudden, you can take it anywhere, it seems like anywhere along the whole line. So then now there's a grey area. So now it becomes a decision the referee makes, well, did he start or did he not? So you can change the rule back and say, right, a goal kick is taken either that corner or right on that corner. And then there's no issue. I think it's even easier than that, Steve. Sorry for that. I think it's even easier than that. I think you make a law in the game that says, the first initiation of contact of the ball in the six yard box is the ball back in play. And that's it. You just need to change the way the law is written and say, the first person to play a non-moving ball in the six yard box deems the ball in play. And that there then would have been a penalty kick as soon as he puts his hand on it. And Hansy Flick also said ascending off. And with Stevie that you had to kick from the corner of the six yard box, but you had to, the players, the partners had to be out of the 18 yard box as well. It's way the grey area started, you can be anywhere now. And clearly we played football. We know that the goalkeeper gave the ball and engaged the action. So that was clearly for me a handball. It's kind of Robbo innocent till you proven guilty though, isn't it? It is. And the referee turned a blind eye. The crowd were going mad. Hansy Flick was going mad. And but it's a dangerous thing to do. I mean, it was actually, I think Tyrone Mingz did it for Aston Villa against Club Brugger in a Europa League game last year as well. And that caused the problem. And there was a big argument about that. But they must have realised that the ball had been taken. All they're trying to do there is waste time, but it's a massive gamble to take. Because if the ref decided that was in play, suddenly it's a penalty. How do you say there's a ref that the ball's not in play? Yeah. You know, that's having a free kick somewhere outside the penalty box. And you go up to it, the ball's not moving, and you tap it five yards to your teammate, and it gets intercepted. You say, oh, that ball wasn't in play. But the ball has to be in play as soon as the goalkeeper plays it from a non-moving ball. That is in play. And it's not difficult to rewrite that rule. If you want to have this rule where the goalkeeper wants to pass it to the centre-backs and the forwards are outside the box, but then they can initiate it once that touch is taken, if people want to do that to make the game as open and as entertaining as possible, and I believe that's why they did it, they didn't have to write the laws of the game in a manner which allows the referee to make a concrete decision here. Not one that leaves everybody scratching their head. Was it in? Was it not? Was the game restarted? So I can understand why Hansy Flick was, and we saw his post-match interview. He was pretty furious. Right then, Robbo, percentage chance. For Barcelona, I would say at the moment it's only 35% because obviously they're 2-0 down. They've got to go to Atleti where they lost 4-0 in the first leg of the Copa del Rey. You'd think that Atleti would only need to score one goal and they do know how to break Barcelona down by timing their runs and when Sawlott comes on he's a threat. So they're going to have to play brilliantly but they're going to also have to defend for their lives and not give goals away. So you can only see 35% for Barcelona at the moment. The bookies have got Atleti, it's huge. Cubarsi out as well, don't forget. He's got a suspension, so I mean that backline anyway, certainly that sent a half partnership of Cubarsi and Gerard Martín. He just doesn't film me. I mean there's two experienced fullbacks in Cundi and Cancelo but is it Gerard Martín and Eric Garcia? Does he step back in there or does Ronald Arrujo step back in there who's got the pace but just doesn't play the high line very well, doesn't play the squeezing of the game very well? So you're going high in 65-30? No, I'm kind of about there. I'm about 60-40 but the way that Atleti Gomedrid have attacked this Barcelona defence in the last two or three games with Alvarez and Griezmann who is picking out some great passes. You could see Barcelona having to score four or five to get through so I'm going to go, I'm actually going to go for Atleti. I think this is tighter, tighter. Yeah? Yeah, I think this is like 55-45 because this is not Atleti Gomedrid evolving. This Atleti Gomedrid side, in my opinion, when they get in this sort of position, I think they've shown previously, when they're in this position they get stuck in between and basically out and out defending is not their game either. Yes, they're way better than Barcelona because Barcelona, you know, you're talking about the combinations, there's not a great one. No. There isn't and you can see Barcelona scoring two or three. It just depends how the Barcelona defend. You can see Atleti scoring. I can see Atleti scoring. So you got it, Stevie. Do you know what? I'm going to go with Barcelona. Yeah, you're going to give them 51-49. Yeah, I'm going to. I thought you were 55. I was. 45 again. I was. A minute and a half ago. I was. I still fancy Barcelona. I don't trust Atleti Gomedrid. Frankie. I'm going to follow Stevie because even against Sanig and C-11, second half, I saw Barcelona dominating and being capable of scoring goals and being better than Atletico. So I think away from them, yeah, it's going to be hard, but maybe they will have more spaces. I don't know how they're going to place Atletico is going to play. Maybe Simone will park the bus. I don't know. But I really think that Barcelona can score at least three goals. And even if Atletico score one, you go on extra time and you never know what can happen. So I'm going to follow my, my, the, the, the, the score that I love the most. Wow. There we go. That's a quick break. That's a low bar. Let's be honest. Yeah, no, no, no. You're the second one. You're the second one. 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They'll take 2-0 going back to Anfield next week. Frank and Robbo still with us, Stevie. Goodness, you've taken 2-0. Oh, get on the flight and get home before they change the mind. Before Vaar comes back and says, by the way, we made a mistake. Yeah, you can't complain. Should have been 5, could have been 6. They got outplayed. I heard the commentators talking about oh, this could be another Anfield night. I think that's a bit of a stretch. No complaints. Just looking at it. Try something different, no, tactically, didn't he? I was glad that he did. I was glad he did. I said in the show the other night that you can't keep doing the same thing and keep being so bad. You have to change something. And he did. Now, unfortunately for him and Liverpool, we're playing against the side, who in terms of the movement of the front players is absolutely scary. We saw with the amount of chances and I can sit here and go, well, can I, shouldn't have been weighed too wide or better end of the day, they'll tear apart any defence, any defence when they're in that sort of mood. Luckily for Liverpool, they weren't in the mood to take those chances. And that's why Liverpool are, I guess you could somewhat say they're still in the game. But if you're realistic, well not. I mean, changing it to 3-5-2 basically, with vets floating around, basically meant he didn't have to tell Mo Salah he was dropped because he's been playing badly. I'm dropping you because I'm not playing with any wide players. And so it kept him a little bit more solid early on, but if D'Nbelly had his shooting boots, was it due to the challenge for the penalty? Yeah. Do you have the first chance when you hit it straight at Mamadash Vili and then the one where Canati gets round to make the challenge, the ball gets stuck under his feet a little bit. If he gets a decent touch in that, so it could have been easily, and I mean easily, five or six. I don't see any redemption for Liverpool here at Anfield because they're going to outplay them again in Vettina. I mean, they're all really tidy on the ball and the movement's great, but Vettina, the little guy in the midfield, just dictating in control and getting the ball up, starting move, switching play, you know, everything about his game. And he's only a little guy in there, but he just drives this whole PSG team forward. And I don't remember him, and I'm sure he did, but I don't remember him losing the ball in this game. He was absolutely brilliant. Yeah, PSG far from their best, but they absolutely bossed this game as we expected, Frank. Yes, exactly. Even if I'm a little bit frustrated and some players, PSG players after the game, say they were, they were frustrated, not satisfied with the result because they thought and everybody thinks the same. They thought they should have scored more goals and finished the game. Well, thanks to the ref as well. Like yesterday with Olysees, didn't give a penalty at the end of the game, but whatever. But just for Craig, for just something that I was told, Vettina touched 145 balls and gave passes to and didn't lose one ball. That's insane. And when you see Neves also capable of doing what he did when Varshkeler scored the goal because the assists come from him. And so many others, Mendez on the left side, I keep me on the right side, it's hard to not believe that Liverpool can survive even if they have the crazy and feel atmosphere. It's going to be scary for maybe for five, ten minutes for Paris Saint-Germain, but really I don't see how they can overturn anything and especially scoring more than two or three goals to Paris Saint-Germain. Robert? Well, the problem that Liverpool had by playing with the back three at times, PSG didn't have a centre forward because Dembele was going here, there and everywhere. So they were outnumbered elsewhere on the field and that's why Vettina could find space and he could dictate the play. And then when players made runs from midfield or made runs from wide, the Liverpool players, as we've seen where they're playing with the back three or back four, they don't pass people on, they don't see danger, they don't recover quickly enough. Even the goal where Carrots-Valiers scores, I was watching Van Dyke, who gave up on it on the edge of the penalty box. If he had continued his run, he might have got a tackle in on Carrots-Valiers, but he didn't do so and that's been happening all season. It's not going to change now whether they play with the back three or back four in the end, PSG were far too good for them. It's true what we said, we were talking about this yesterday, saying for Anley Slaw and somewhat it's walked out this way that he walks out relatively unscathed because we were talking yesterday saying this could be a mess and where does he recover from a mess? You know, if this is five or six, which it should have been, it should have been five or six, how does he deal with the press? How does he deal with the supporters? How does he go into the second leg? If he even gets to the second leg? And that's still going to be a conversation down the line after the PSG second leg takes place, but I think had he gone into it with the score line it should have been tonight, I think he'd have been maybe getting a phone call from his board. So a little bit unscathed, but again after the second leg it could be it could be curtains for him. What were the French broadcasts saying? Well, you know what, I wanted to talk about that, you know, many people and pandits in France, you know, and myself, we found that it was the hardest task for Paris Saint-Germain against Chelsea on the first leg and have you seen what happened on the second leg? It's been a shocker for the Blues fan and imagine it can happen the same. That was a bad day for Paris Saint-Germain forward line in terms of scoring goals. That's not what they are capable of doing. The ability to not have a good day means too many chances. So imagine they are on a good day and unfilled, yeah, that can be hard for the Reds. What's your way for standards on penalties here? I'm not talking about the Canati one so much. You're just pushing the bank. Yeah, that's the second one. Well, basically that's where I'm going to. What's the high bar that a player yesterday in Michael Alessia was clearly barged in the back in front of goal? Nothing. The referee not even told to go and have a look at the monitor for himself. And now today, Mendy about to cross a ball or shoot is pushed. So one handed shove, there you go. What's the criteria? They told them not to go. That's a scary thing. What criteria has to be met for you to get a penalty kick from a push in the box? Because this is two games and we're in the quarterfinals here. We're in two games that we all sat here and went, holy smokes, what's going on? You're talking about a decision that you can't possibly sit and fathom out. No. How a referee can watch that and not give a penalty. We can sit and say where the Canati one. Well, there's not enough contact. There's not enough, but on these shoves, if you can figure out what he's thinking, then good luck. Because any normal former player and certainly official, if you cannot see that, you're in the wrong job. Well, they'll say it's not enough. But how can the counterargument to that would be, how can it not be enough when a player is about to strike a ball and you shove him off balance and therefore he makes a mess of the pass or the cross or the shot? We think it's just some of these league matches we see in the league and the Premier League and other leagues, but it seems it's a bit of an endemic at the moment. Sometimes we want to be nice to referees, but it's hard to be too nice. Because of yesterday and today and clearly people at the bar, where maybe at the bar or maybe in the restrooms, I don't know, but again, you know nothing and Seavius Wright is not for you. That job is not for you. All the people in the bar, in the booth, get out of the job because you know nothing. And yesterday that was the same. I can get frustrated. Imagine Liverpool win 3-0 at Anfield within six days or seven days and you say, oh, we had a penalty. Yeah, but that's just, that's just something, it's just nothing. No, it's big time. As Greg said, it's quite a final of the Champions League. You have the best player, can we have the best referees? Can we have people standing in the balls and us going to the restroom every year to every five minutes to make a bad decision? It's enough. We are fed up. We shouldn't discuss about that because it's clear. It's, you have to a little bit feel the football, then don't feel anything. Robbo, you said not a push for me. Well, I can see what the problem is. Get out! I can see what the problem is. Frank, Frank, records there's a bar in the booth. Well, that's going to be a problem. I think if they're drinking in the booth, I mean, that can't take place. You know, that's a big danger. Craig and Stevie might have done it if they were VA. Both penalties for you, Robbo? Yes, I mean, the one where Canate gets the slide challenging, I can see why it wasn't given, there was a little bit of contact, but that last one had to be a penalty. As they said, as everybody said, it's a shove in the back. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. The sense it sends, Stephen. Liverpool Echo is watching. Well, you can't see none. You can't see none. No, that's not right. What? It's not high five. It's close. It's close. Okay. I'm going to push the ball out and see 10. Wow. Okay. Well, because, and you don't want, as much as anything, not just in this game, but all season, Liverpool cannot pass the ball to each other consistently. I thought 10 was quite high, Stevie. That's what I said. Wow. Well, I think everybody else should say, so to get from one end of the field to the other, you're going to have to have some passes and they can't do that. Right. And that's an issue. And that is a bit of a problem when you play. Sacher. Yeah. I think if everybody else says 50-50, you're definitely going to be in the Echo. I don't think the issue for them is what Liverpool do. I think the big problem for them is what PSG is. Yes. Yeah. And if PSG do what they did tonight and do it better, then it's going to be all over. Yeah. I have a look at the bookies. Yeah, PSG. Huge favourites to advance. Frank? Yeah. Again, it's impossible to say none, but I give five percent chance to Liverpool. That's it. People keep saying that, well, not people, one or two on commentaries and that and say, well, what about that Galatasaray night recently? You know, coming from behind after losing in Istanbul, but let's be honest about it. They are absolutely, I mean, they made Liverpool look good. Galatasaray. Right. So that, you know, if you're thinking that was a great Liverpool performance, it was a good night, but it was nothing more than playing one of the worst teams that were in the knockout stages. This is a completely different ballgame. A lot more discussions then and what happened in the Champions League on the latest edition of the Gavan Jules podcast. That drops on the Thursday. Be sure to check that out. That is it. That brings us to the end of today's show. What? I'm going to Robbo. We'll be back. I'm loving these quarterfinals. Fishbash, Bosch. Extra time though coming up next is the boys to answer your questions. Welcome into the latest edition of Extra Time. Lots of Champions League questions for you, Stevie. The first one. Give us something. At Anfield Miracles can definitely happen. Are we dreaming or is there a real chance? I wouldn't say there's a real chance. You gave a 10% chance to be on the show. We're dreaming. Yeah. You know, everybody talks about the Anfield nights and the Great Nights and the Barcelona and the comebacks. But the one thing that we're forgetting is that all of those sides that had those comebacks were actually very good teams. This particular Liverpool side is not a very good team. Okay. And so it's not happening. Who impressed you the most from the Reds today? The referee? I guess Mamadash, really. At the end of the day. You were saying in the first half you'd never seen a maker save? No, I wasn't. I think you definitely said that. No, I was talking about Alisson. What? We were talking about whether Alisson would stay or go. And I said, recently, even because he's missed a lot of games, when he's actually played, I don't remember him making saves. Oh, okay. That's what we were talking about. I apologise. I missed it. That's what I missed. That's what I missed. No, I can certainly want that. He's sticking your ear all and trying to heal what's going on. He's starting to put in his little black berth on. He's not one later. Tell me how it is. See if he'll write anything down. For Craig and Dan, how was Stevie today during the Liverpool game? Did he eat more or less than a dozen bags of chips? I'm going to have to wait. This is the story you told on Monday. I wasn't on. And I've got to question it. Because you said that you were on Scotland International Duty and you took 14 bags of chips up to somebody's room, yeah? Yeah. To share. I have never seen you share a packet of crisps in your life. Well, I ended up not sharing them. Exactly. So I think, I think that's just an added twist to the tale. Because isn't it? Like when he's eating in that room, you try and get one chip and it's game over. Yeah. But it's not, I mean, you're right. Anybody comes on and it helps to sell. I'm like, I'm like a dog. You've never seen a black bear try to catch salmon, go up, right? Exactly. Just sit on the rocks. But I was being, you know, it's international duty. And I can imagine how, do you want to know? Yeah. Yeah. There is a feeling of safety when you've got 14 bags. Yes. Actually, if somebody wants one, it's okay. Well, you're tugging over in the middle of the night and you're just crunching chips. They didn't want any. How can you eat 14 bags? He shares it only with Scottish people. Dan, do you understand that? Only in international duty. No, no, because he doesn't even say it's salmon with bear. I've seen it. Frank, I wouldn't even put my hand in the bag. I wouldn't even try and put my hand in the bag. It's like taking a bone off a top. It really is. You got angry at the referee. You called him a very bad word at one stage. Yeah, just a couple of times. I just knew. When you know, you won't see bad. It's not. A couple of times, I got angry because I was disappointed. I got a couple of shots at the commentators. Yeah. But generally, I was late because you know, you know, it's happening. It was inevitable. It was inevitable. Robert, who was your man in the match for the Barca game? Who was the man in the match for the Barca game? That's a difficult one to come up with. I mean, Griezmann picked out his passes when he had to. It wasn't your mouth's best game, but he was still the most dangerous player on the field. Julian Alvarez won it. It's difficult. Nobody had, I think, Julian Alvarez obviously scored a good goal and he had that chance early on in the game, but he didn't have that many more touches in the game. And they looked actually more of a threat in the second half when Sawlott came on for the last 20-25 minutes. So I wouldn't go along with that. I don't think there was anybody that was absolutely outstanding. Yemal is the player that you wanted the ball to go to because he was the one that might do something different to anybody else, but it wasn't his night. So nobody got man in the match in my view this week. Wow. There you go. That's such a Robbo response. No one deserved it, despite that athletic unconsolidation. You've got to earn it. You have to earn being man in the match. No, you've no need to be man in the match. I tell you what, in 25 matches or whatever it's been, and you don't want to give anyone a man in the match at all. In 10 minutes. Was it team effort? Does man in the match mean that you are the best man of the match or you have to have an influence in the match? I mean, Rashford was the man of the match having five chances to score but not scoring. But me, the man of the match, I don't know if it means to be the best. What are you doing? I'm just going to go in two. You can be the guy scoring three on goals and you are the man of the match. You made differences in that game. Okay, whatever. They didn't say best man of the match. It's not best man of the match. It's man of the match. Of course, it's man of the match. It's always been. Man of the match in England. I don't know. That's already a stupid old order to give a man of the match and we are discussing about that. I pulled something. Sorry, Frank. I'm going to ignore you because I want to get Stevie's reaction. PSG should have won today's game by several goals but Liverpool are still somehow in there, Stevie. Should the board pull the gun on the Alonso slot switch before the second leg? No. Oh my god. No. Absolutely. When should they do it? At the end of the season. Okay. If they're going to do it, end of the season. Who will be more boring? Arsenal, Athletic, Go Madrid and a potential matchup in the Champions League semi-finals, Robbo. Oh dear, dear. The way Arsenal and Sporting Lisbon went at it yesterday, it was a horrible game and I would say one of the worst games I've commentated on for quite some while in terms of what each team was trying to do, the passing backwards, the passing square. Remember that Arsenal thrashed Athletic Go Madrid earlier in the season so maybe they will play more forward thinking football and maybe they know how to get a tad to Athletic Go but that game last night was a really poor game from both sides but a confidence booster for Arsenal I would say. I would say at the moment. So what was your question? Who's going to be the most boring out of Arsenal and Athletic? In terms of possession, Arsenal because in possession they're really boring. Erdogan went between the two centre backs yesterday, must have had to bore about five, well a hundred times and I bet he passed it forward about three. It was pathetic. No matter the match there either. They're actually are out boring. Wow come on, that's not the question. The question is who will be more boring? Who will be more boring on second place? Arsenal. Arsenal on the ball. No it's not the question. The question is when they meet in the semi-finals who will be more boring? Robbo's right, you're wrong. Again, I got it. Okay again I'm wrong but that's the question for the manager. What's the answer Frank? Well Athletic Go Madrid is not through yet you know. If Arsenal are going to qualify I'm not sure about the answer. This is a hyper-fair question. It's a stupid question. Yeah but it's not written. If he's not written he doesn't get it. We talked about this yesterday. What's the hand to the Arsenal side that outplayed Bayern Munich? Ellie and they say not right Bayern Munich, I've got the second wind and they've got good momentum playing some great football. What's happened to this Arsenal side? They beat Athletic as Robbo said. Anybody who went to the Emirates could barely get out their own half and yet they've gone from a quite enjoyable team to watch. Yeah. To being the Athletic of English football and Athletic would be Athletic Go Madrid are more expansive than Arsenal at the moment and I think that tells a story. Craig, I know you're looking forward to that semi-final. Oh yes. Imagine it. Two legs of that and the previews. Preview? Brilliant. Craig better chance at a comeback. Barcelona, Real Madrid or Liverpool? How are we ranking them? Well Liverpool at the bottom. Right. Who's the first one? Real Madrid, Bayern. Okay. Real Madrid, Bayern, PSG, Liverpool. Bassa, Flutti. Bassa. Okay. Bassa. Best chance. Yes. Real Madrid second and Liverpool. I imagine everyone's nodding to that. Right Frank, the mood you're in, you can answer this one. Would you rather time travel to the past or the future? To the past. Definitely to the past. I love the past. I love the 1955 Rock and Roll in the United States. I want to see, I want to be like, yeah, back to the future. I love that time. I love that movie. It's exactly where I want to go and I love that book from Stephen King called November 22 in 1963. Amazing book and I want to go back on time. Okay, beautiful. Robbo. I would go back to my school days, I think. So I'd go back in time to around about the ages of 10 to 13. I went to a great little school, had great friends, played loads of sport. It was a sport in school. And you had hair. Like football and cricket. Oh no. And I had a lot of hair and I, that was, when my memory goes back, that's the happiest time of my life. 10 to 13. Beautiful, Robbo. Ever since then he's been very angry. Yeah, that's the last time he had friends. What are you going? Where am I going? Back or forward? Back or forward? No, I'm always looking forward. Back to when everybody, I'd like to go back to the time when not every sporting event or everything that happens, people get a phone out. Okay. And take pictures. Yeah. You see people at some iconic events, it doesn't have to be soccer. And they're all stood there with a phone. I like to go back to your time. It was a bit more simplistic than. Nice. Stephen. I'll definitely go back. Yeah. Where did you go back to? Late 70s, early 80s. Right. Yeah. Fantastic. Prime nickel. Oh, just fantastic. Not a kid in the world. Yeah. Not a kid in the world. Do what you want. Yeah. Nobody would know anyway. Definitely. Thank you very much guys. Not changed for you, Stevie. That's not changed, is it? Who? That is it. Thank you very much guys. I'm on holiday now for a couple of weeks. Kay and Alexis will be here. Be sure to... What's that? Don't come back. What a treat for me, everybody. Exactly. See you tomorrow. Bye bye.