You NEED to Stop Skipping Anime Movies | Trash Taste #284

Innovation is moving fast across every industry with AWS AI. From Formula One insights to smarter power grids and personalized learning. AWS AI is how leaders stay ahead. Alright, anyway. Anyway. Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm Joey and I'm with the boys Connor and Garn. That's per usual. Garn to show is the weirdest thing. Yeah, you see I've been going through my arts phase now where I'm like watching all the anime short films since Joey, you know, I'm a film maker now. Joey got the CEO title. Yes, you have to scroll about the competition now. I'm unemployed. Yeah. I've been watching a lot of anime short films recently. Unfortunately, not been watching a lot of what's coming up. Was it you who asked me, Garn, what good anime is coming out this season? I was like, I haven't even started the season yet. Oh, really? Yeah. It were already like what, two weeks in, three weeks in? To the new season, I think? I did watch the newest Demon Slayer actually. I went out and watched the Demon Slayer movie. I've heard that animation is like fucking bonkers. Yes, it is exactly what you would expect from a Demon Slayer movie for better or worse. Did you cry? I heard a lot of people cried. I unfortunately did not cry. I can see why people cried. There was one backstory without spoiling anything. There was one backstory that they took a lot of time to flesh out as opposed to your usual Demon backstories. I think it's one of the best Demon Slayer backstories to come out in the series. But let's just say it doesn't do anything differently than what Demon Slayer is known for. Do you think that sometimes, I was watching some animation that sometimes it looks amazing, but other times it's just, I guess, flashy? Like it's just a lot going on, but not necessarily good. But they just bombarded me with colors and cuts and I'm like, okay. I've been feeling that a little lately and I sometimes wonder if that's the trend. Yeah, it's the Jingling the Keys, right? Kind of, yeah. I don't know though. So pay attention, Jingle Jingle. We're also like 30. Oh, you're not yet. I'm 30 in spirit. So what I think what you're getting into is like composition versus choreography. Thank you for putting actual words behind. You know, with like composition, you get to add all these digital effects onto it. It affects the way it looks, the explosions, the colors and everything. You get a lot more control over that and you photo have always been masters of digital composition only with like Demon Slayer and stuff like that. But you know, sometimes you get, funnily enough, the best. I think that comes in a movie by the way, just saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like for me, when I think of choreography, I think of stuff like the, I haven't fucking watched a narrative. Narratives has like some like stellar choreography in my mind. And a lot of those animators have gone on to do like Chinese animation as well, which I think have some of the best like action choreography in the field right now. And I think what you described is a debate that is going on. That is going on in, at least I've seen on Twitter. It's like two different takes on action scenes and my take on it is like people can have personal preferences over which type of action they prefer. I do enjoy like very, very good choreography. But you know, I watch stuff like Demon Slayer and I'm like, yo, some of this shit is mind-blowing. You know, some of like it. Yes, it is a lot of flashy colors and a lot of things going on. But God damn, does it not get the adrenaline pumping? I want to watch it because I think it'll be a visual spectacle. I didn't, it wasn't talking specifically about Demon Slayer, but in general I felt like sometimes flashier equaled good. And it's like, well, not all the time. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true. Because I've heard the same thing with like the, the Reze film as well, the new chainsaw name. Oh, that looks amazing. I really want to watch it. I've had no time to go to the streets recently. I want to watch it so bad. Like the animation of that looks amazing. And I'm probably going to be watching that next as well. Isn't it like number three on my anime? This was something right now. Is it? Doing pretty good in Japan as well, I heard. Oh, I mean, it's been in cinemas for over a month now. So that's pretty telling. Considering that it's competing with Demon Slayer movie right now as well. It's crazy that Demon Slayer movie is still going fucking strong. I mean, it's already topped the previous Demon Slayer movie. Yeah, I was like, I'm surprised. Has that made me become mainstream now? Is it? Yeah. I mean, my local cinema has what, 12 screens and I think seven of them are still Demon Slayer. And I'm just like, can I, I mean, that's cool and all, but I want to watch something else as well. When we moved here, it did feel like, you know, even in the short time we've been in Japan, six, seven years, it feels like when, when I feel like, because obviously I love going to the cinema. So when I moved here, I always remembered that the two movies that would always crush were like Doraemon movies for kids. We'd always do numbers. And then the new Mecha movie, whatever it was at the time. Yeah. Also the Detective Conan movies. Oh yeah. So I ended up, and I, any loop in if they were going out, but they weren't here. Obviously they've been out for, when was the last one that came out? It was a quite a long time ago. A long time ago. Yeah, right. But there's the numbers too. But like, yeah, it was always Detective Conan or Doraemon for like the younger crowd, but I guess Detective Conan is kind of ubiquitous. And then it was always some Mecha movie that was crushing it at the time. But then Demon Slayer feels like I just kind of, flipped everything on its head. Like the Mugen Train feels like it changed everything. Well, it did. Yeah. I mean, Mugen Train in Japan at least was in cinemas for like, endless, endless. Endless, endless. It was crazy. Even now, I was one of the watch like one, One Battle After Another, which is a big film in America. Yeah. And the cinema to me, I was, the week it came out, played it twice, and they're still playing Demon Slayer like 15 times that day. Is One Battle After Another the lead? The end of the gap year. That was like the biggest box office flop of the year, apparently. Is it? I don't know. It's really good though. Yeah. I liked it. I thought it was really good. Apparently it's lost like a hundred million dollars. Oh my God. I looked into this the other day. I think the budget was like 300 million, and it only made like 150, only made 150 mil. I feel like in the movie, if you get a chance to watch it, Sean Penn is the most terrifying human being I've watched. I fucking love Sean Penn, dude. He's so fucking terrifying in that film. Oh really? He's really good. I don't want to check it out. I'm off for another. How much, how much is it made? Bombed. Shit. That's crazy that it bombed. The initial budget. Okay. That's not too bad. Is it Wes Anderson? Paul Thomas Anderson. Oh Paul Thomas Anderson. I just saw Anderson. But sorry, go back to Demislayer. Yeah. It's a controversy. How much is Demislayer made now? What's the revenue? 650 million or 700 million. It was 600 million, and I think that was before it launched in China. So it was like a legitimate debate over whether this could cross a billion. That's like insane. You know what I mean? And Gotoge Koyoharu is seeing none of that. She is not seeing any of that. And the fact that, man, they fucking, they got part one of three. Yeah. And dog. There's two more films as well. Hold on there. 649 million worldwide becoming the highest grossing Japanese film. And the highest grossing international film in the US previously held by Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. No. I mean, I feel like, obviously, Chainsaw Man wouldn't have done as well in Japan, but I think at least globally, the excitement would have been a lot higher for Chainsaw Man. I think it had it released maybe before or slightly later on. Well, I don't think Chainsaw Man has the, like... No, not in Japan. Certainly not. No, no, no. Just even globally, I don't think it has the, like, wide, as wide of an appeal as Demislayer. Yeah, I think, you know... You can't take your kids to go watch the Chainsaw Man move. Yeah, yeah. But you can with the Demislayer move. I mean, you could if you were... You shouldn't, but you could. If you're an irresponsible parent. Yeah, yeah. Chainsaw Man's a little bit edgier. I mean, this is so weird because, like, when did it become like... When did Demon Slayer become considered kid-friendly? Which, like, it is. Like, I think it is. No, it's not kid-friendly. It's family-friendly. Yeah, it's family-friendly. What the fuck does that mean? Dude, my uncle, who, like Japanese uncle, who is, like, in his 60s, is, like, the biggest die-hard Demislayer fan ever. It's like PG-13, like, you and watch it with your parents. Yeah. Oh, God, I got it. It's like parents watching it with their kids, and then they get into it together. I never understood that. Like, I didn't either. Does the theme change because dad's in the room? No, no, it just means it. Like, you're kidding me. It just appeals to, like, everyone. It appeals to everyone. And it's something like the family can enjoy together, because it's like there's something for the kids to enjoy, but, like, the older people are also there, and they're not bored either, you know? I feel like if Demislayer came out when we were kids, they'd be like, is Demon Slayer too grotesque and violent for kids? Yeah, I don't... I don't really... Mitsuri, Hanon, and Titi's out to discuss. I mean, I'm not gonna watch you missh it. But in Japan it is, though. Yeah, it is, it is. Which is crazy, but I love it. But I'm not saying it's something. What is Demislayer and Finity Castle rating, like, age rating? I'm so curious. And I don't... Okay, this is not me saying like we need to... It's an R in the US. That's crazy. Because in Japan, it is certainly... It is certainly at least being... I mean, actually, I don't know. PG-12. PG-12. Wow. PG-12 versus R. I feel like it is, though, because like the themes discussed in Demislayer are very childish. Easy to understand. Yeah, childish. But yeah, like very... You know, it's nothing... Wide appealing. You know. It's not like giga deep necessarily, you know. There is just a lot of violence, I guess. Yeah. I mean, in the movie, there is some legit like body horror in there, I would say. Cool. PG-12, baby slammed on it. Yeah, PG-12. I was like, okay. Good enough for a kid. Rating, rating R in the USA that actually kind of makes sense based on the content that I saw on it. Japan is so funny, man. Sometimes they will just be like, yeah, a guy gets killed and run over by a truck. They get in all ages. Yeah, my 14-year-old can watch that. No worries. And then they'll have something that I'll be like, absolutely not. This guy stepped on the tummy, put a fucking R rating on that thing. We're not releasing Oppo Nighmore. Oh yeah, they didn't release Oppo Nighmore. Well, they did. Eventually. Yeah, they did. They did. They did. But a lot of horror doesn't end up making any trouble. We discussed it before. But yeah. Yes. Yeah, sorry. We were talking about money and dumbbells. No. I mean, I think this is like now... Like it's insane. I think it didn't it like earn more than Superman or something like that? Yeah, most certainly. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's a two-fold thing of like, great, I'm really happy that anime is doing well, but it's like, man, I... Dude. It's getting out of hand. At least don't make everything into a movie. Oh, you know what? We'll see this. Please don't make everything into movies. Seeing this, it's going to happen, man. Like... I feel like as well that when I talk to other anime fans, people drop off on the movies. Like if there's a series and there's a movie, some people drop. Do you think so? Because there's something about a movie that loses people. I don't know what it is. I think it's because people are going to the cinemas less potentially. But also like as an anime fan, we're so used to watching this stuff online. Yeah. Um... But I don't know. Like when I watch Mugentrain as an episodic, like I didn't watch it as the movie. I would say that Mugentrain especially has this bad... You know, the feeling of Mugentrain wasn't... It didn't feel like you were watching a movie. It felt like you were watching five episodes stitched together. They also doubled it, bro. They did both. They released the episodes and made a movie. Yeah. Well, that's what they figured out now. It's like they release it as the movie and then once the movie starts to like dwindle down a little bit, then they chuck it up on streaming services. They completely set a shot again and record it back. Yeah. Exactly. I will say Infinity Castle felt less like outrageously like episodes stuck together and more like, okay, this is a movie. This is a movie experience. And most of that is just because you are there in the Infinity Castle and it's just like, all right, what fights do we want to show? All right. That's all we need. We're just sharing a bunch of fights, a bunch of backstories. And that's pretty much it. Yeah. Because that's what the Mugentrain film in cinemas. And it was kind of crazy because I knew obviously chronologically it was a continuation from season one, but it really just like first two minutes, it literally just kicks off right after the last episode. We're just kind of cool though. You know, we're just kind of cool. You could watch the episode the day before and just boom your end. Yeah. But I was at the same time I was like, Dan, you're not even going to like ease me into this shit. No, that's the same with the Infinity Castle. All right. Like you fucking demons like you see, you know what it's about. You know what it's about. I mean, ultimately, you know, there's a part of me that was mentioned just now. I don't really want more anime movies. Sorry. I don't want everything to become an anime movie. But I do like the fact that stuff like Demon Slayer doing really well has been a massive push for at least in America, UK, and Australia, I assume, for kind of getting anime in theaters. Yeah. Oh, definitely. And I think if, you know, thank God there's three of them because that will most certainly help push these cinemas to incorporate it more. Do you think the Attack on Titan ending should be, it should have been a movie? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. I think so. Because one thing I would say I like about what Infinity Castle was doing right now is that this is like the ending of Demon Slayer. It does give it a banger. It does feel like an event, you know, because this is going to be a trilogy of movies. And on one hand, I'm like, yo, dog, they're seeing the dollar numbers and now they're seeing this first movie and then there's my first bridge. We've done it. We've done it. So what's going to be in the board meeting? Yeah. Fourth movie. I'll say. Demon Slayer Zero. But the prologue. The prologue. It does feel cool to see just an like a global event that is tied to an anime, IP release, you know. And I'm not sure how much Chainsaw Man is like earning compared to Demon Slayer. I'm not going to. I think Chainsaw Man from what I've heard is probably not doing as well, obviously commercially, but I think. But I still think pretty well. I think critically, though, it's doing really, really well. I've heard some really, really good things. Yeah, 50 mil. But for what Chainsaw Man, you know, because we've just got. You just say like, oh, oh, baby. We did that first hour. Day one. Day one. I mean, we've discussed before, but Chainsaw Man is obviously a very weirdly uniquely placed anime that kind of is very specific and who it kind of is for. And it is for a very diehard anime fan. It's an incredibly unconventional story to turn into a film. For the fact that this can do so well as well is great. I think that's awesome too. Totally. And I'm glad that this movie is doing well. Totally. And I hope it does well in America too. Yeah, I hope it does well in America. It's been out for a month. I think, yeah, I would definitely, yeah. Yeah, is it already out in America? I don't think it's already out in America. I would love us to get to the point where it can be same day. Same day worldwide release would be nice to have. Well, I think after the Demon Slayer trilogy, I think studios are seriously going to start considering it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm wondering. I wondered America because I obviously, none of us got to watch it in America, but I wonder if it was mostly dubbed or sub that was being shown. I saw an article that said it was mostly sub, but still it was like, still it was a lot of people watching dub as well. I don't have a source in this. This is a random tweet. The source is I made it the fuck off. This is a random tweet I saw, so I'm going to preface with that. But I think it was sub more than dub. But also, I don't know how many people are lying as well. It is Twitter. I mean, at least in Japan, there's like, there's a most movies that come out here that are Western. I want to say like 80% of the screenings are subbed. Yeah. Every movie that comes out here, like Western. It is obviously a demand for dubbed. That's a thing. But most Japanese people prefer to watch. Most foreign films that are dubbed into Japanese in Japan, from my experience, I usually like the Pixar films and the Disney films and the more family films and stuff like that. Yeah. I accidentally bought tickets to when the Batman came out to watching that dubbed. That wasn't good. Wow. I was like, I was like 10 minutes in and I was like, should I just leave? Like, should I come back and... I want to hear what fucking Robert Patton's Batman says. It was weird. I mean, I kind of find out. Dido Dark. I did. They did change it. The staff are very sweet though. Oh, yeah. They did. They're very sweet. It's funny because also it wasn't like, didn't like the Crunchyroll CEO or something. Didn't he say that, you know, I think 70% of all anime gets watched in dubbed on Crunchyroll and similar thing with Netflix as well. Really? Yeah. Despite how despite... Man, people really hate reading, huh? Despite how vocal the anime community is about watching anime subbed and only watching in Japanese. The data says otherwise. People just don't want to read. I mean, I think you're the person... Let's say you're the person who watches, especially me at this point, you're watching maybe, you know, an anime or two a season. I could... Yeah, I probably gonna watch dubbed, right? It's just easy access to that point. I think it's also just because most people watch, you know, anime on just second monitor, right? And so when you're saying... When you're watching something on second monitor, you don't have time to look over and make this up. Oh, was I wrong? Okay. Sorry. I was wrong about... 80 to 90%. It's 80 to 90%. Oh my God. Uh... Sorry. I made that number out of my ass. Damn. I also wonder like how much of this is to do with, you know, sometimes when you boot up the anime, it does remember your preferences like Netflix. I imagine there's probably not a lot of people out there who when the anime boots up its English. If it's your first time watching anime, you're probably not gonna be like, oh, ew, and then put it like... Yeah. The average anime fan is not as puritan in that sense, where they're just like, oh, my Japanese cartoons need to be in Japanese. I think it's good though. I think it's good that most people are watching it dubbed because that this is just the gateway. Yeah. It is. It was... This is what happened to me. Like I only want... When I got into anime in like 2010, I only watched dubbed and then Attack on Titan came out and I was like, shit, everyone's talking about the show and it sounds amazing and the dub isn't, you know, because the dub didn't... Wasn't announced for a very long time. Yeah. And I was like, ah, fuck, I guess I'll watch it. Also just from that point on, it was like, yeah, I couldn't go back. Bowser is back. Everyone calm down. The Super Mario Brothers can take care of the kingdom. Let's go. On April 1st. Toad pack our things. The galaxy is waiting. Who is this? So some cool dinosaur just shows up and he's now part of the group. Cool. The Super Mario Galaxy Movie only in cinemas April 1st. Also just quality of dubs have just gotten so much better as well compared to when you started watching anime, I feel. Wouldn't you say? Yes and no. Really? I think some of the dubs that people think most about were some of the older ones. Oh, really? I think so. When you think about iconic anime dubs, everyone tells us. Back in O, Cowboy Bebop, Oren High School Host Club, all these shows, because I think they had more time. It's 50-50 for me. There are some really, really good quality dubs nowadays. But I feel like back then, they did have more time to... Like now it's all about like simulcasting, making sure the dub releases as soon as possible after it releases in Japan. And for the pipeline that they have, they do a really, really good fucking job. I feel like before, they did have a lot more time to go with scripting. I think scripting is a massive part of the dubbing process and obviously just getting enough time for the voice actors in the booth to give the best performance that they can give as well. I can't remember the last time we had an iconic Watch This Anime in Dub moment. Have we had that recently? I have had that recently actually because I was watching the newest panion stocking in dub. Because I enjoyed that, in my opinion, the original panion stocking, the dub is so much better than the original Japanese. And I really enjoyed the dub. So when the new one came out, Akina was like, oh, let's watch it again in English. But I ran into this really weird phenomenon where I would be watching it and if you know anything about panion stocking, it's vulgar as hell. It gives Quentin Tarantino or Ronfer and who has money on how many times they can say fuck in a script. But after episode two, I was just like, this is just getting really overwhelming. It's almost too much vulgarity. The cursing feels less intrusive in Japanese because I don't really hear people say it normally. Yeah, in Japanese, we don't have the equivalent of the word fuck. So in the original Japanese of panion stocking, yes, it's vulgar, but it's a lot more nuanced. Whereas in the English, because of the handy F word, you can just repeat that like every three words. And after a while, I'm just like, I just, I don't want to hear the word fuck anymore. It's too much. And I had to actually switch it over to Japanese and the Japanese is still great, but it was just, I don't know. Maybe it's just like my taste is changed. So you start, you start off this conversation by saying, I love the panion stocking, panion stocking dub. And then you immediately fucking swapped to the Japanese. No, no, no. No, I was saying, no, because God was, no, fucking listen. God said, God said, what was the last iconic dub? Okay. And that's why I said the panion stocking dub. And then that led me onto the new one. I thought, yeah, I thought you were saying that. No, the panion stocking dub is great. It was just overwhelming for me, the new one. Yeah. I mean, I think the baseline quality of dubs is higher now than it was, but I do think we get less standouts than we used to get. But there's a lot of factors involved. And I also think particularly people forget about how bad dubs were 2015, 2017 era, that space when they were just trying to figure out simul dubbing, which is something I think that they, I don't think they do as much simul dubbing. I couldn't. Okay. Well, then he's a question. No, they do. They do. They do. He's a question for you then, Connor. What, what in your opinion then makes for an iconic dub of an anime? Like what factors would you include as a voice director to make it like, like what is it about, say the Barcano dub or the Cowboy Bebop dub or the Panion Stocking dub, where it's like those are standout dubs? I mean, first of all, I think you have to be set up by the source material to succeed. Yeah. So like, obviously, I don't think there'll ever be a case where we'll be talking about greatest dubs and it's set in a Japanese tea ceremony. You know what I mean? It's just like not going to happen. Well, that's why like, in my opinion, as much as, you know, it was like basically the same for the most part, the same group of voice actors as the Cowboy Bebop dub. That's why I didn't think the Samurai Champloo dub was that strong. Oh, you think the setting doesn't fit it? I just don't think the setting fits it. I think it works for Cowboy Bebop because it's literally a Western in space. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think like it's set up to succeed. Yeah. Like it is like back and I was set up to succeed. It's got, it's a very Americana story and also then on top of it got great writing, great references to the era through that writing that would take a lot of time to research, I imagine. And so I think it's just really tough to compare exactly what one dub to another and why one might fail and one might succeed. There's so much more factors than just the dub itself. Yeah. And also we just, we're just making shit up and speculating on why something is better and why it's worse. Yeah. You don't know what happens behind the scenes or, you know, how much each actor plays a role or the director plays a part and how good it came out. But I mean, the one thing that we at least do know is that the general thought process of what the companies are trying to do at the time. And all I know is that like during 2015 to 2017, maybe even 19, there's a big push for simul dubbing. But it wasn't quite figured out yet how to do that. And so one of the happenings that we got a lot of dubs that there's a big criticism at the time that all the actors were the same. And that's mainly just because they just needed people in the goddamn studio like constantly. And so I think there's a lot of dubs for a very, a brief period of time in anime where we've got simul dubs that were generally lower quality and had all very similar sounding casts, which ended up making it feel like, okay, what the fuck am I watching here? Yeah. But I think now it's gotten really good again. I think they finally figured out how to do simul dubbing. And I think the Japanese side is also willing to help support that more. Whereas I think there was a bit, it seemed like it was a bit difficult initially. I think it's because finally the anime industry has realized the huge missed market that is the overseas world. And they realized that, oh, most people want to watch anime in English. I mean, it's hard to say what factors really made that decision happen. I have to imagine Netflix played a massive part in a lot of this. And Netflix's model was probably quite persuasive in a way that, and you have to remember this time that obviously Crunchyroll wasn't owned by Sony yet. Crunchyroll was owned by I think AT&T. But I don't know how much they were really trying to make anime work as a, obviously they sold it off. So I don't know how much they were trying to really push anime and also change the industry. Whereas it's obvious that Netflix has tried to change the industry as much as possible. And one of the massive factors of how they have changed it is obviously dubbing and how that's done because Netflix, obviously, as we've all seen, 80 to 90% of people watch dubbed. And so if you release an anime, people are really excited about push it a bunch and then they can only watch it in Japanese. You've already lost most people. So I think it's obviously, I don't know if it's good per se or anything, or if it's bad. I don't really have an opinion on it like that. But at least it seems to be in a better point in terms of what the viewer's getting. I do because I think what I think about it is that it's gotten to a level now where I feel like... You can always watch the dub. It doesn't really matter what language you're watching in. Before it was like, oh, the Japanese is like so much better. Now I feel like dubbing has got to a point where it's like similar in level to what we get from like the Japanese cast. That doesn't really matter what you watch. It's all preference. People are like, man, there's dubsox. I'm like, okay. Sure, man. Sure. Yeah. It's like, you just have a preference and that's fine. And that is fine. Just admit it. Stop, stop trying to tell everyone else that all done. That you like this thing more. And in proxy, your way of explaining that is everything else is bad. I like is really good. And it's like, this is not helpful. I think the offshoot to that is that we get less iconic. There were some shows back in the day. Play it safe. Yeah. There were some shows back in the day where it was like, no, this anime is better experienced in dubs. And I feel like we get less of that nowadays and more of just like, eh, the dub still slaps, but the Japanese slaps as well. Okay. Maybe a question. Maybe this is a topic that we don't want to open up. And in regards to that, and for zoom out, we have a look at it. How much of that do you think is perhaps taking risks with localization? Like how they kind of convey the story a bit. Do you think it's a bit safer now? Are they unwilling to? Because there was obviously for a, I can't remember what year it would have been. Anime had a couple of controversies with some of the localization. Oh, yeah. Where they changed some of it, some of the wording. Well, there was some of them are pretty egregious as well. Yeah. There were certainly out of pocket with it. Do you think that the safer approach to localization, perhaps, is, you know, maybe played a part in that? Or? I don't know, because I'm still trying to figure out what exactly made shows like dubs for like cowboy, bebop and Bacana, like iconic. Like, because I'm thinking about it now. I'm like, yes, there were most certainly really good dubs. That's no shadow of a doubt of that. But is it were they brilliant because all the other dub shows that were surrounding it at the time were just below average or even crap in standard? And it just like kind of elevated those actual good ones to really stick out? Or is it that they were actually, or was there something in those dubs, whatever it might be that actually made them legitimately excellent? I think those like there are a few examples where it was just right actors, right place, right script, right time, you know, where some of like some of, I mean, you know, cowboy, bebop, the dub is the dub is what everyone quotes. So it's not, I don't know us like. I think it's the fact that the show is more well known overseas than it is in Japan is like speaks for itself. Right. Yeah, exactly. And localization is always hard. Yeah. It is very, very hard. It's kind of like you have to balance this fine line between making it accessible to the audience that you're localizing it to, but also keeping the spirits and the intention of the original, you know, the original Japanese. Right. And I think that is always hard because there are necessary. There are always going to have to be some things that you change because language, you know, culture is baked in language and there's always going to be some things that you switch over and it's always trying to find that fine line between localizing it without pissing off your audience and paying respect to the original. And I think respect is like a big thing, a big thing that you need to come across in any localization, localization that you do. Because if the fans think that you aren't respecting the source material, oh boy, you will get caught up for it. And there have been some outrageous examples in the past where it feels like it may have felt like, okay, this is a translator kind of like moving too far away with what the intention of the original source material is and what the intention of maybe what the original story, the original author wanted to convey with these characters and these lines. Because yeah, unfortunately, we have had some examples of some, you know, maybe like bad actors in the industry setting a bad, setting a bad precedence. And those are the examples that gets the most press coverage for better or worse, unfortunately, and that doesn't necessarily reflect on what everyone is doing industry-wide. But it does mean that there are a lot of eyes on this. And if you fuck up, the audience is going to let you know for better or worse. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I can't remember exactly, but I remember there was a scene in Bacanao. I've got to basically say it properly. Bacano. Bacano. Bacano. It's a scene where Ladruso is like punching this guy to death. And I think while he's punching him, he's naming a bunch of boxes that were like famous at the time. I'm near certain the Japanese one doesn't do this. But for all, I don't remember. It's been a while since I watched Bacano. I could be wrong. And I swear I remember listening to like some DVD commentary or something where the guy is talking about it and how they basically kind of would almost completely change the sentence at times. Because they're like, well, this is what the character is doing here. And this makes a lot more sense given here. And it's like, okay, I think you wouldn't, you would be very much not allowed to do that now. But in a way that most, I feel like little things like that can sometimes enhance and make these really stand out dubs where you've allowed someone to research and really flex and show off the appreciation of the source material, but also also the time, the setting and the place and be able to use the active strength in that scene. But now you don't really do that. Yeah, it's not worth the risk. I don't think it's not worth the risk. And I think, yeah, when it can go wrong, it can go spectacularly wrong. And when it can go right, it'll be a thankless, unnoticed appreciation. Yeah, because I swear there was something recently where people were really praising the dub. And I can't remember what it was for, but yeah. The point you said about, yeah, even if they do it right, like nothing happens is so true because it's like, you know, not many people watch both the sub and the dub of the same show and like compare and contrast. Right? Like then I'm going to be like, oh, in the Japanese, when he said it like this, but in English, when he said it like this, it's like, you're either just watching one or the other. Yeah. But those people who do compare the two are very loud. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They are the minority, but they will let you know. But I mean, it's, I think it is something that obviously we had Michael Koji Fox on, he was talking about it. And it was really interesting hearing how they did it for games. And, you know, obviously they worked so closely with the game. Yeah. And that was really interesting. A lot of anime, unfortunately, a lot of anime localizers don't get the same privilege. But that gave them the confidence to be able to, it sounds like, you know, really tell it the way the director intended. Sometimes in English, right? Have to change it. Or, you know, sometimes Japanese can be stiff in English. How do you make it sound more natural? Or even get across the same point without saying the same words. How do you get that across? And I think perhaps that's something that is less of a factor nowadays, which might be one of the reasons. Oh, you had to do that as well. Wow. Not to the same extent. Not to the same extent. That's the same extent. But I mean, I also got to ask you. So like there's no, and I feel like if I couldn't ask you, women with barn, for example, like I would probably go with the safer option nearly always. Because like I'm not trying to piss. You don't want to step on his toes. Yeah. I'm gonna piss you off, step on your toes or ruin your work. And that's maybe that's also from me not having the experience or confidence to take those risks. Perhaps I would be otherwise if I had been a writer and then I got into anime, which is what it felt like it used to be as well. Yeah. Because I feel like, you know, I think previous as we go back to timing and how much time they had to prepare a lot of these scripts where they had time to research to make sure that every line enhanced the like the characters to better suit whatever time period they were in maybe or maybe better suits the setting that they were in. It enhanced the work rather than kind of like detracting from what the original vision was, which I feel like is very slippery slope. For sure. I don't know. There's also another morning, another reminder. There's a gap to be careful of, but maybe it's time to bridge the one between your nine to five and your dream of living life on your own terms. At HSBC, we know ambition looks different to everyone. 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I think, again, it's very highly nuanced because it's like, there can be some moments where maybe one word can slip in that adds to that particular character or adds onto the personality of a particular character. It's like, oh yeah, if this character was a real person, I could hear them say this particular slang word. But I think when some people, when I've seen some dubs where they just like chuck it in just because it's like, oh, this will get the kids riled up. Then it's like, it's a bit unnecessary. All right. Like, okay, here's the thing. Do you ever experience this in Japanese at all, where they have maybe a character that is, you know, or like it's either a character or show where, you know, it's a little bit more modern. So do they ever feel like the need to put modern Japanese slang terms in there? I mean, from recent shows that I've watched, there are certainly some words that are more geared towards, I guess, like the modern day slang in Japanese. I swear they use a lot of these words. Yeah. That's pretty common. Yeah. But that's the thing. It's like, I don't know if it's like a language difference or a culture difference or a mixture of both, but it doesn't sound maybe as jarring because the way that Japanese slang works, at least from how I see it is, it's not as like stand out in when you compare it to like an English slang word. Like when you hear like an English slang word, especially like, you know, like, you know, Gen Alpha slang words, for instance, right? It's very apparent. Like this is like the new word. Yeah. Whereas I don't know what it is with Japanese slang words. It doesn't sound as like front and center or like stand outish in a sentence. Like it's managed to flow a lot better. But in saying that, if they overused it, then yeah, I would start to be like, what the f**k? You know, like, I don't understand what you just said, but if you do a slang term that a lot of Japanese gamers are using now, chiru, chiru, chiru. Oh, chiru. Yeah. Yeah, chiru. Yeah, chill. Chill. They say chill. Yeah. Yeah. If someone's chilling out, they say they chiruってる. Chiru, yeah. So that's the thing. It's like there are some like, obviously you will know a Japanese slang word when you hear it, but it's either they don't incorporate it as much into the story because maybe the particular author is adamant against it or maybe he thinks that it's not fitting to that particular character. Yeah. Or it's just a lot more integrated or maybe it's like one generation behind kind of slang. Do Japanese people care as much about slang as English people do? In what sense? I feel like there's a lot of... Like a generational thing? There's an aspect of looking down on someone who uses slang in English. Does that exist in Japanese or...? I don't know, to be honest. I think maybe some older generation people will be like, what does that word mean, you know? And... Yeah, like I think for certainly when like I talk to my parents, I try to use none of the slang anymore or someone older. Right. Just because obviously. You don't say lamout to your parents? Parents say lamout. I caught myself saying lock in to like a 50 year old the other day and I was like, I felt very embarrassed. I know they didn't care. I don't know if they understood, but like for me, I was like, I'd want I dated myself, but also I gave away like who I hang out with and what I fucking do with my free time. Not that it matters, but is that the aspect in Japan and Japan? Potentially. I don't know. I think if I say like I've been playing kusou game lately, Akusou game. Yeah, kusou game. Would there be like, what's wrong with you? Well, no, no, I don't think so. I think they'll just be like, what does that word mean? Then do you perhaps think there's some kind of attitude difference towards slang? Because I feel like in English, we certainly have this. Like we certainly have like a prejudice against slang. Right. I mean, okay. For instance, right. My grandma hates it when I use the word Yabai for everything. Because Yabai can mean like bad, right? Like, oh, Yabai, Yabai, but it can also mean like good. Like, Yabai, this is so Yabai. Like Japanese is already so like lack of context, heavy. Exactly. Like the fuck are you not? Grandma, we need to lock in. Yeah, but when I say something, my grandma hates it when I say Yabai, because then she's like, do you mean like a good or a bad way? Like I don't know. What? Yeah. She doesn't understand like the contextual Yabai or what it particularly means. She doesn't have any gripe with the word or the newness. She doesn't have any gripe with the word. She doesn't like to just understand. She has a gripe with me using it. Right. Right. Because she wants to communicate with her grandson in a way that she can understand. So I actively avoid saying the word Yabai when I'm talking to my grandma. Yeah, but Yabai is just like so familiar. It's such a handy word. It's so handy. It's so handy. It's so handy. It's just like sometimes just like the feeling, right? Yeah. And so like I've like, my grandma has like forced to my hand to like, every time I talk to her and I have to explain a situation or something, I have to like flip the thesaurus and be like, all right, what's like a, what's a word that can get the Yabai? Yeah. What's a Yabai adjacent word that works in this situation? Yeah. And the short word word in a bit as well. Oh, Yabai. Yeah. Yabai. Yeah. I think slang is so fast and ever-changing as well in English. Like I feel extremely so. I think when you try to use it in some kind of official capacity, it ends up just looking quite stiff. And I think that's why people kind of recoil at it when they hear it. It's like, oh, it's a company that said to go through approvals and everyone's 30 who made this. And there's just a lot of like aspects to it where it's, it doesn't feel. Yeah. I think in Japanese as well, a lot of slang derives from a lot of subcultures. So it's, if you're not part of that subculture, then you'll most likely never, like, you know, like Gyaru speak, for instance, right? Like the Gyaru's back in like the 90s and 2000s made up so many fucking words. They basically invented their own language. But if you yourself weren't a Gyaru or you weren't hanging around Gyaru's, you would never hear it. It's like Cockney rhyming slang. Yeah. Yes. It was, it was like, I've heard some Gyaru words where I'm just like, that doesn't even sound Japanese, but it is. And, but that's the thing. I'm not part of that subculture. And I don't know anyone who is in that subculture. So I'll most likely never hear it. And unless, you know, you have a Gyaru character in an anime, you also will most likely never hear it. Yeah. But okay. So when it comes to like localizing that, do you commit to the slang? Because I think the most, the biggest example I can think of is probably like Marankitagawa, who is not like full on Gyaru, but definitely, you know, definitely has a lot of like, yeah, modern, modern definitely doesn't speak, speaks modern slang sometimes. You know, I think, I think with Martin, for instance, right? And I think this is the case with a lot of Gyaru characters. I think the authors purposefully make sure to like, yes, portray that this is a Gyaru in the way that that character speaks. Yeah. But they don't go, they don't fully lean into that slang, I think, because it alienates a lot of people. Because especially with Gyaru, again, if, if, if the author of, if the author of my dress, I'm down like fully committed to Mane speaking like a Gyaru, no one would understand anything. And it would isolate everyone being like, I don't understand what this character is saying. So it's like, it's, it's adding subtle hints to the fact that she is a Gyaru, but not in like an egregious way. Yeah. Where even if you might have the most surface level understanding of it, you can still understand it. It's like when I've noticed like, I don't, I don't remember which anime did it, but like when you have like an anime character, for instance, speaking like a Kansai dialect, there's been some like fan subs that I've seen where they like, they translated in a way that makes them sound like Southern. Like, like a Southern. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like instead of like you guys, it's like y'all. I remember when old dubs used to do that. Yeah. Old dubs used to do that too. And I was just like, huh, that's, that's an interesting, I guess you are committing to the fact that they are speaking in a different dialect in Japanese. And that translates to they're from Texas. You know, so, but you know, there are also some anime where you'll have a character speaking a Kansai dialect, but they won't bother, you know, showing that off because it's like, you're not going to know otherwise. Yeah. You know, it's still Japan. Yeah. I think it's also because, you know, with a lot of modern slang, it also comes from, I listen to English like from like black culture a lot of the time. And I feel like seeing an anime character say that, it just reminds you of basically the 12 year old white boy in Ohio who learned this from Kaisenat saying it. And that's kind of the image I have when I see like, like if Deku was to say Riz, I would just imagine he goes home and it watches Kaisenat. I don't think that Deku would be in the place where he would learn to say these words. Exactly. Yeah. It doesn't feel like- It's too culturally different, I feel to include it without it sounding off. Well, now it's- A lot of the reasons and culture that goes into these words and why they come from in English, don't carry the same weight as they would in the anime. No, definitely not. Sorry, I got it. And also like not everyone speaks like that. This is all such a- So online. No, because you mentioned, oh, you caught yourself saying lock into like a 50 year old person or whatever. I hang out with people my age and I feel dated when I'm like- You say lock in. When I say lock in. But lock in is one of the good ones. Lock in is one of the good ones. I love lock in because it's so easy to understand. But like bikes saying that, like I know anyone who says that, it's terminally online. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like the fucking- The fucking three fingers from- Probably glorious, glorious. It's like I know you're online. I know you're online. Like it's just, I catch myself every time I hang out with people, not even like older people, people my age or younger than me who have- Who are employed. Novel job. Who are employed, who live normal lives. And they're like, what the fuck is this aura thing? And I'm like, oh yeah, this is, I am an online content creator. I love this. I've got the words in my head that I have to use when I'm talking to someone who's normal. And I'm like, no, his energy is really powerful. What are the words? Aura is energy. Lock in is to concentrate or focus. Cap? Cap. He's profusely lying. I- Yeah. I could deal with that. Stop shitting me, man. Yeah, yeah. You're shitting me. Oh fuck off. Yeah, fuck off. You're taking the mic. I got all the replacements locked in there before I made it. That is true. I'm trying to pick a mix. I'm trying to choose the ones I like. Lock in's a good one. Yeah, because some of them can actually work. Yeah. And then other ones are like, you know- There's just something so, I can, a visceral image of locking in. Something in my head that I can picture. I can hear the ch-ch sound. I just, the image of that parasite clip with that guy. Yeah. Which I love that that kind of became the face of locking in. Was that one clip from Parasite? Which is a great anime that you should all watch if you haven't. Because it was one of the first anime to have a completely like dubstep soundtrack, which was fucking great. Fantastic soundtrack. I love this. God, I love this. But also the context of which this is in is so fucking cool in the show. It is. Yeah. It's so good in the show, dude. You have to watch this because I do- When I first watched this anime and this scene happened, it was chills. It was chills, dude. Because that's why it's still popular. Because it locked in. Because, dude, it's a show. It's so good. Yeah, you gotta play it. Do you remember the show on one hand? Yeah, because they basically, they take a serial killer. They're like, does something, is something wrong with this guy's energy? Yeah. You know, can you tell anything? Yeah. Yeah. And he immediately senses the parasite within him. Yeah, this is such a cool scene. He senses the aura. He senses the aura. I just, it's just so sick about the FBI's like it, we brought in the serial killer. Fuck. Fuck. Lock in. But he can't sense him, right, initially, until Miggie does something, right? Yeah, yeah. He's like, he looks him in the eye and he's like, oh shit. Yeah, long, long, long way for it. Yeah, long, long. He's about to lock in. Such a fucking good show. It's so perfect. You gotta watch this show. Oh, so good. Please watch this for you as we have it already. Yeah. That's your weekly recommendation. Yeah. Watch Parasite. So good. But yeah, damn. Man, we say it on podcasts all the time and obviously, you know, when we talk to other content creators, man, using it in normal society doesn't make me feel unemployed. Yeah, it really does. I really out myself. Yeah. Well, I'm like, oh, this man has aura and I'm like, oh shit. I just, damn, man, I shouldn't be using that word in normal society. It feels, it feels wrong. Feels wrong, man. Yeah. I have to actively stop saying drip as well. That's another like, oh, yeah, man. I'm like, he's fashionable. He's got great sense of clothes. I'm like, yeah, I don't have coworkers. I don't have proper office coworkers and I need to like change my language so that everyone of every age will understand. If you want to save a few quid, British gas have a way you get half price leaky and it's called peak save. On every Sunday, it's the smart thing to do if you're regular folk or furry and blue. 11 till four, let the good times begin. You could charge up the car or take the dryer for a spin. Half price electricity, what joy that brings with British gas peak save. We're taking care of things. T's and C's apply eligible tariffs and smart meter required. I still haven't coffee before I come to Trash Taste. And now I'm like, now I'm a two office guy. Now I'm a two office guy. Okay, nice. I'm glad you joined me. I had one before I came to this. I need to admit one. I had a shoot before this. Oh yeah. I had to do that one. So I was very sleepy. Do you have a favorite mug? At home? Yeah. Yeah. Do you have a mug where you know, it's on like the RNG and it turns up to be your favorite mug? And you're like, you know, today's going to be a good day. I used to and you know, this is a very UK problem because you'd always have zero matching cups. Because people would just, you just always got mugs in the UK. People give you mugs and sometimes you buy it. The Easter eggs. Yeah, the Easter eggs. Or the sports direct one. Yeah. You remember the sports direct one? Yeah, I remember the sports direct one. Fucking gigantic one. Everyone has that in their home. I don't, that must be a UK thing. It is UK. Do you have, do you have a favorite mug? To answer your question in Japan, I do not sadly. I have four of the exact same mugs. Oh no, no. Might go with the RNG. My favorite is the trash taste mug actually. I do like the trash taste one, but one I'm scared of one using it. Yeah. And why? Oh, I just scared of breaking it. It feels like an artifact. And then also it's good, but the ribs make it weird. You think so? I don't like the ribs. I don't like holding the ribs. What do you mean? What do you mean the ribs? The ribs of the can. Of the can? Yeah, it's got like ribs. Oh, like the divots? Yeah, I guess divots. Is it ribs or divots? I don't know. I mean, that's what the handle's there for. Yeah, but I like grabbing a mug. Do you like doing this? I like put my hand through the mug thing and like. Oh, you're one of those people. No, no, no, I don't. Do you do that with beer as well? Yes. Completely neglecting the fact that it has a handle. Well, it often doesn't have a handle. It Japan does. Not always. Most Isakayas have the handle. 50-50. Is your favorite mug the Trash? The Asahi fucking cup always has the handle. Yeah. But you can fucking grab it by the handle because that's what it was built for. Premium malts, bro. No handle. All right. Actually, no, it does have the handle sometimes. Actually, it depends. Yeah, it depends. It depends. Yeah. No, I like the Trash Taste mug because it's... I have a lot of small mugs where it's like enough for one cup of coffee, but there are some days where I'm just like... Two cups worth of coffee. I need a double coffee. This is a grande size. Yeah. I need a grande coffee sometimes. And the Trash Taste mug is the perfect size. I know. You like your coffee, Joey. I'm ordering one. Yes, please. I know. I don't know if it's a me thing, but you all of my cups in my house are different. I don't have... I don't think a single or repeating mug as it should be. Yeah. I have too many mugs. I've got like 15 mugs. I've got like five like glass glasses. Yeah. When people come around and like, can I have a glass of water? I'm like, just pick a mug. Pick a mug. Some people will ask me, do I ever think we'll run out of topics, but then Gump whips out this one. I'm like, I don't think it's possible. I think we'll always have something. We'll always have something. Sometimes we'll bring... We'll have some mundane things to talk about. We'll bring out the 15-minute mug conversation. Sometimes I just wake up and like today I was... I wanted to go... Because I wanted a coffee and I was like, it's my favorite mug on rotation. Where it knows the trash taste they this is tomorrow. Sometimes I don't know. It's all about the... I appreciate the little things, right? Yeah. I have like a favorite mug and when the R&G gets to that mug, I'm like, today's going to be a good day. I'm feeling up today just because I get to be this mug. I never thought that deeply about it. I don't know. I'm just like, yeah, double coffee. I was drinking wine with Kevin and L. And I realized I have the most outrageous way of holding a wine glass. Kyle, can you give me a wine glass? I didn't realize this. How else are you supposed to hold a wine glass? I don't know. I didn't realize I did this subconsciously. You hold it like L, like at the bottom. Just like... Oh, no, no, no. Wait, wait. Glass or wine? I'm going to show you guys because I didn't realize I did this. So it looked at me and they're like, you are holding it like a fucking war crime right now. And I'm like, oh, shit. How was it like from the top? Like you didn't do one of these? I feel like I've seen you hold a wine glass weirdly. Probably. Probably you've seen it. I never noticed. I feel like I've seen you do this. No, no, no. Oh, I was only joking with the top thing. I swear I've seen him do that. That's that. If you hold it like that, that's a grievous. This is a sequel to the, uh, to the Gone Drinking Water. All right. All right. Okay. I'm going to hold that. I'm going to hold that. Red or white? Red. Red. I mean, we go from here where you give it a little sound. And then white, obviously you can do this with white. It's a little cold. Pick it up. That's what I learned from the guy in Wells. Yeah. So I think I, what the fuck? Wait, I'm trying to do it. Bro's playing it like it's a, no, no, no, no, no. You trying to Pentrix with it? I'm trying to like spin it. I have fit like some way that's like, wait, now, now, now I'm second guessing myself. Fuck, I can't do it on commands. So me, okay. Yeah. Red or white. I'm holding it like this. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And just spin it like that. That's the human way to hold it. I don't know how else you would hold it. It needs to be, it needs to be one of those like fancy ones where it's like really, I think, I think I hold it like something like that. Hey, yo. It's like, it's balanced on every point. This is like the tech deck. This is the guy who holds a wine glass who's dropped one too many wine glasses and can't trust himself and has to barricade it on all sides. Like, because, because this one, I'm like, this wobbles too much, you know, this one, you get like this, the fingerprints on the wine glass. So I just, I just started holding it like this. Yeah, that's pretty. It balances it out on every point of the stem. How the fuck are you doing that? I don't know. I figured this out subconsciously. That's crazy. And I'm like, perfect, perfect glass of wine right there. That's weird. Yes. That's crazy. Yes. Yeah. That's a, yeah. Kevin and Elle have ever write a DC on that. That is weird. That is fucking weird. Oh, how do you hold a pin? How do you hold a pin? Oh, no, I hold it like this. This is normal. I've seen people hold pens like this before and this, this I don't get. I've never seen that. Watching left-handed people right always scares me. I get why they're like that. They're like, they're the devil. You're a witch. What do you mean? Just watching them like curl their hand around because everything's built for the right handers. Yeah. And I'm like, what is this? The ones that freak me out are the people who write literally sideways. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? We're like, if the paper is like here, they spin the paper like 45 degrees and then they're like, I like that. I'm not kind of like that. You do that? No, I don't do it often, but I used to like it when I had to write a fuck ton. It's more comfortable. All right. Like when you had to do tests, you have to write. Yeah, I hold it like that. That's pretty normal. That's normal. That's normal. That's normal. I hold like what I hold my chopsticks. You know, really, it doesn't matter anymore. It's all typing. Yeah. No one holds pens. I was going to say the art of handwriting is lost. Yeah. Sometimes I see, I meet people where they have like perfect handwriting. How can some people write in a completely straight line with no guidelines? Because I've seen people do that. And that to me is that's the my hero academia quirk. That's the fucking superpower. I do not understand. Does yours always like slam down? Yeah. Yeah, we've all been there. That's why in school you had to like draw the lines out. Yeah. Did you guys ever have good handwriting? No. No. I used to write all my stuff in cursive because, you know, obviously we, apparently kids don't learn how to write in cursive anymore. Oh, okay. That's pretty good thing. But, you know, we were in the generation where we had to learn how to write cursive. And I guess I got really into it in high school to the point where it's so cursive, I can't even read it. So I had to stop doing that because I literally got to some points where I would write a word and then I look at the word. I'd be like, what did I just write? Yeah. So now I do like all block letters now. They threatened to hire a transcriber for my exams because my handwriting was so bad. A threat. Yeah. They were like, we're going to have to make you, like they were like, threatening my parents to charge me. If you don't walk in. She charged me for a transcriber because my handwriting was so bad. Really? But I try to use it to my advantage as well. That's what doctors say. You know, like, you know, when you're in an exam and you're like, I don't really know the answer, but I think I know how to roughly write the start of the answer. Just make it look like five different words at the same time. If I just write and I just write something, maybe they'll feel so sorry for me that they'll think maybe he got it right. Did it ever work? You don't know. You need to find out. I guess I, yeah. I think in the UK at least you have to pay to get your test back. What? Yeah. Like your exam. In school? Did you ever get your exam back? I don't remember. No, you don't. You don't. I don't remember. I don't think so. You never got your exams back. Did you get all your exams back? Yeah. So like you see the exact paper you sent out. Yeah. Yeah. So you can see exactly what you wrote, exactly what you got right and wrong. No. In the UK, you would get a sheet that just said your score and that was it. And then you could request like a review or your paper back, but it cost money. What? That's fucked up. Well, yeah, they probably got less complaints that way. And they got money. And people did complain. Yeah. That's crazy. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. Maybe Google check. Oh, ask. I don't know. Fucking Grocko. I don't know who's. Grock is this true? I swear that's at least how it was when I was in school. Like you, I never got my exams back. Really? Never found like, like, and during A levels, which was the one before high school, you would get your maybe section marks. I can't remember exactly though, but I think it was just overall. Yes. See, look at it. Review of marking, 43 pounds. What the fuck? Clerical recheck, nine pound per unit. That's crazy. So, because like, so you have to pay money in order to like review your work, essentially or a priority copy of marked paper. Okay. I didn't see this one. So you, I guess you could get it for free. Right. I didn't know that. No, I think that review of marking is a, you can pay 43 pounds to say like, I'll reevaluate your school. I'm not happy with the result. This would evaluate. Right. Sorry. So I, maybe that's what it was, but that's still pretty crazy though, because I'm pretty sure in Australia, at least my school, if you got your exam back and you thought that, you know, say, if it's like an English exam, right? Where it's like the scoring is very nuanced. Yeah. Yeah. You could like just give it to the teacher and being like, oh, actually this section, I think should be marked or whatever. No. And then some teachers would just be like, fuck off or they'll be like, okay. I never got it back. Really? And I think maybe, maybe it wasn't, sorry, it was probably free, but maybe going through the process was a bit cumbersome. Oh, interesting. To get it. And, you know, obviously, if you did bad, a lot of the time it was like, stop floundering. You sucked, Connor. Just fucking do it. Except the reality. Yeah. I mean, there was a lot of that to it, right? You only ask for it back once you've gotten the bad mark, right? Like, so, you know, I think at least the culture was not to get that. Interesting. So we normally used to, I don't know if Garnt did this too, but they would always tell us like right after the exam, sometimes the teachers would be like, all right, let's go over it. Can everyone explain like what you answered and stuff? And I'll hide. We did not do that. Oh, we did that a couple of times. University. In GCSE, an A level? Maybe an A level. Okay. A level, we did it. But then our classes were already small because mine was well-shownly. Right. So my biology class had like five people. Oh, well then, there's a little bit easier. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you want to do that? So you can review your work? I think it was because... Bro, it's already done. You're like, well, fuck, I didn't know this answer. And now I know I didn't know this answer. I think I always appreciated like, you know when you fucking bombed an exam. Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there was never a time where I was like, man, I think I did really well. And then I did fucking awful. Right. Like that never, I had like, I thought I did really well. I did okay. And I thought I did okay and did really well. But I'd never had, man, I definitely passed that and I bombed. Like that's never, you just know when you bombed. Yeah. For sure. So I think for a lot of people, at least I appreciated knowing like, okay, I think I roughly got around here. Peace of mind. Okay. That's what I'm expecting. If I got a C, at least I know right away I got a C, you know, and that's it. Yeah. The disappointment isn't there because I knew exactly what I was going to get. Yeah. Yeah. Like, and then I could also set my parents' expectations, which was a big thing too. Which was... You go home and you're like, don't look forward to this. Well, yeah. I could go home and I'd be like, mom, I'll be real with you. It's a C. Don't expect anything more. It was pretty ass. You know, it is a pass. It is a pass. My reminder, it's not a great pass, but it's a pass. Maybe this is a white parent thing. I don't know. Do you have to do this kind of, was there no negotiating? No, dude, if I went up to my parents and I was just like, I kind of did ass, I would die. Well, I'll be like, oh, so you don't want dinner then? Well, I never did. Well, I never did ass. So that's something I never needed to do. All right. You know, straight A fucking student right here. All right. Stop bragging. Oh, I would say like the most stressed I've ever been. I think one of the most stressed in my life actually, I don't know if I've said the story about me almost missing one of my exams. Thank you. You're not sure. This sounds familiar. Yeah. This is the bane of trash taste. This is if it is. This could have happened like 200 episodes. Yeah. It's probably like 200 episodes ago, but like I remember it was like my maths exam, final maths exam in university year four. It's my master's year. No do-overs. If I fail this year, I fail, you know, you fail the entire section. And this particular maths exam, we had no coursework or everything or anything. So it was worth 100% of that term. Oh, that would fuck me up. That was no safety nets. It was all on this one exam, which now looking back, I'm like, this is fucking mental. But yeah, we didn't have any coursework. We didn't have any pre-work. It was all in this final exam. And I remember it was a three hour exam, which shows how much we had to cover, because I think most exams are like two hours or whatever. Yeah, tops. Yeah. This was like a three hour exam. And I remember getting to the exam hall and looking around, there's a lot of people. I see a lot of my mates from my other engineering courses. And you know, hanging about, I have this weird feeling. I was like, huh, don't see anyone in my course here. But I see other engineering courses, other engineering students here. So the mechanicals, the civil engineers. So I was like, I'm in the right place. So we get to the point where we have to go in and, you know, I go in and I don't see my name. I don't see where I'm supposed to sit. I'm like, what is going on? Call up my friend. And he's like, where the fuck are you? You know, we're in this other building, right? And I'm like, what do you mean other building? And you're like, no, all electrical engineers got sent to like this other building. And I'm like, okay, shit. Okay. How long do I have to walk? I Google it. It's on the other side of town. It is a 40 minute drive. It with traffic. Holy shit. And there is no Uber this time. I have to, I panically go to the front desk. I beg them to call a taxi. And we somehow get a taxi. And I am, this is like, I don't know. There are some, I don't know if you guys feel there are certain moments of stress that all get attributed to like the same kind of stress levels. So me, it's like, it's like, obviously this stress and it's the dream of waking up and feeling like your naked, that kind of stress. I don't know. That has a unique kind of stress to it. That I feel disappeared when I went into the working world. I don't know why, but like it was like, it's not even stress. It's like dread. It's the moment that you wake up from and you are glad that you never had to live that moment. That was the kind of stress I was going through. And I remember being in this taxi, I was like full on fucking monk modes. I was just, I was trying to meditate. I needed, I need to go. Or do you have like- Yeah, there's nothing worse than the moment of like impending doom. And you are literally like traveling to it. And you're like, just got locked in. It's like, there's nothing worse when your only enemy is time. Yeah. And there's like, there's nothing you can do. It's just like the seconds do not stop ticking. Yeah. Because like everyone tells you, oh, you know, you got to be calm. No one performs better under stress, man. How do you de-stress in a moment like that, man? God. I think the only way to de-stress is for you to just try to convince yourself that it's like, well, it's over. It's, it's, you just have to like do it. Like it's like- Well, if you have to go through the five stages of the grief, you have to speed on it. But you have to recognize like, it's the same with if you're late to hanging out with friends or you're late to a job. It's like, the only thing you can do is one, apologize profusely when you get there. And two, do the fucking thing that you came there to do. Yeah. Like just get it done. Just get it done. Yeah. And don't like make the whole fucking thing about it. Cause it's like, whenever someone's late to your things, right? Like if you have a work thing or, you know, you don't, you don't care that they're late. Well, obviously you do, you're annoyed. But like that's, you can't keep, you don't keep caring constantly. You're like, I just want to get the thing done. Yes. And so it's like, that's all I care about. And then same with the exam, right? So you should probably want to get it done. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was just, uh, luckily with the saving grace for that exam for me was, I mean, at the time it was fucking hard because I opened it and it was the one subject I didn't study for, which was statistics. And I thought I bombed the exam, but, uh, luckily me showing out up an hour and 10 late, uh, and barely finishing on time and, uh, trying to, you're locked in. I did lock in kind of, I did badly in that exam, but so did everyone else. So everyone, so mine, my score got bumped up because everyone flunked in that exam. Dude, I was the guy that would fucking get there. And it was a two hour exam. I'd leave 40 minutes in fucking grin on my face and I'd fucking fail. I feel like, and I'd walk out and everyone's like, man, he must be so confident. And I'm like, I fucking failed. So yeah. You have a giant smile on your face and you're just thinking like, it's Jovo. Because I was not the kind, I feel like you're either one or two. You know, you get, you, you exam is two hours. You get to an hour and 20. Yeah. You're like, all right, time to review. Yeah. And then you review. And you're like, okay, do I, do I review or do I just say, look, it's done. I was always like a look, it's done. Yeah. I would leave. I fucking hate because everyone says go back, check your work. And I'm like, I can't be fucked for this. No, because do you know the biggest, the biggest stress in your life and everyone's done this is when you are done with the exam. You're like, all right, it's done. That's okay. And then you got 30 minutes left. All right. You're walking through, you're going through it. You're like, all right, okay. And then you get to one, you're like, hold on. I think this is wrong, but I'm not sure. So then you start fucking scribbling everything out and you start writing like a fucking mad scientist. And then now suddenly there's five minutes left. Yeah. Now you're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. And then you leave and you don't feel good about it because you rushed an answer that you think is right. But then you're like, I don't even know if I was right. Yeah. I don't know which one was right. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, I ended up, I didn't want that. And I was like, I end up stressing myself out more when I start second guessing. I had, I had that so many times in my math exams where I would, you know, be like a two hour test. I'd be done like an hour and 30 and I'd be like, cool, let's start reviewing. But you know, at this stage I'm reviewing and I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm pretty confident. I go all these. And yeah, I hit that maybe page or a couple of questions where I'm like, let me do this one again, just in case and you get a different answer. And now you're like, all right, let me quickly fix that. And then you start second guessing. So, and then you get the exam back and your first answer was correct all along. And I'm just like, I hate myself. Why did I, if I just had left now, I wouldn't have had to go through that. What's the latest you've been for anything? It's the latest you've fucked up. Latest I've been for anything? Yeah, like something important. Like, yeah, like you'd be somewhere and you just showed up like ungodly late. Ah, I feel like we're all pretty punctual guys normally. Yeah. Because I just gave me flashbacks to the, remember that Netflix shoot we did? It was like the first one. And which one? I think we were reacting to something. Yeah. I don't know what it was. In that like dark studio? What? I don't know which one it was in. But I never oversleep. I don't know how this happened. But I got a call at 2pm. Maylene waking me up. Be like, where the fuck are you? And I was supposed to be there at 1.30. And I don't know how I woke up. I don't even wake up at 2pm normally. So I don't know how the hell I managed to oversleep such a colossal amount on an important day. And then it was very fortunate. Gant saved me. Gant was, was called, call time was after me. But Gant got there a little early and they put Gant first. But I was in Saitama at the time. Yeah. And so I'd go from Saitama to Tokyo. It was like an hour and a half to get to where we need to go. And I was supposed to be there at 1.30 and it's 2.30 and I'm in bed. I don't remember that. But I do kind of remember that because I was like, yo, it's Netflix. I got a shop early for this. Yeah. Yeah. I was there like 30 minutes early. I felt so fucking bad because that was like the first time we'd ever worked with them. And I never late to anything. I'm always on time. So I was like, fuck dude, the one time I somehow overslept. And then fucking Moodown gave me the scare of my life recently. We were climbing up Fuji and you know, whenever you wake up early for things, there's always a discussion of what time we're waking up. Yeah. You know, and we were climbing Fuji and we had stayed in a hotel right next to Fuji the night before. So it was like, you know, quite a lot, you know, we spent a lot of effort trying to arrange this and whatnot. And there was two times, yeah, 5.30 or 6.30. Which time do you think I wanted to go? 6.30. I wanted to go 5.30. Oh shit. Okay. Everyone always thinks Moodown's the one who wanted to go up early. I was like bastards because he's got that energy. Yeah. Because he's a Stonian and he's handsome. Everyone thinks he wakes up at 4am. A Stoic bar. No, it's because it's Moodown. Yeah, I know it's Moodown. But so he wanted to wake up at 6.30 and I was like, I really feel like 5.30 is a good idea. Just give yourself enough time, you know, and he'll be too safe. And he's like, but Conner, I need sleep. I'll be dead. I was like, I can't, I was like, well, I can't really argue with that. If he thinks that he can't, he needs more sleep. I was like, all right, sure. All right, we'll get up at 6.30 and we'll, or 6 it was and we'll get the, oh, okay. No, I tell you, I would mean waking up at 4.30 versus 5.30. I want to wake up at 4.30. All right. 5.30. Right. And we'd have to get basically the first bus up, which hopefully gives enough time to climb up Fuji and come down. And so we decided ultimately 5.30, which is the later time slot. I was like, all right. So, you know, set my alarm and I get a bed and then, you know, I'm asleep and then I hear, oh my fucking door. Yeah. Oh my fucking, let's go on and answer the door like Moodown. I'm like, oh shit, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize I overslapped. He's like, oh no, I just couldn't sleep. It's 4.30. Do you want to go? I was like, he's like, you bastard. So, you didn't need sleep. Yeah. Yeah. So he was like, I couldn't sleep. Dron just go now. I was like, fuck, really? So I ended up being like, yeah, okay, I'll get ready. Let's go. So I went and had like the quickest shower of my life and then... Well, that's not your fault. That's Moodown's fault. But you know that, that instant dread of someone having to wake you up. Yeah. Yeah. Someone banging on your door. It is like unrivaled anxiety within the space of 0.1 seconds. Have you been like woken up by someone like that for something important? Like someone's banging on your door? Only my mom when I was like late for school. Yeah. The worst is when they would do that, they'd bang, wake you up and they're like, I'm going now. You go back to bed and you fucking sleep through it. You're like, God damn it. I slept through it, man. I'm my own worst enemy. I knew I shouldn't have closed my eyes. Or it's that like thing where it's like, you're already like 30 minutes late for your bus to school or something. And then your mom comes in and it's just like, you're late. And it's like, cool. You could have woken me up a little bit earlier, you know, but that's obviously my fault as well. Yeah. I don't know. I don't see. I'm always so scared to run into that moment of like feeling that dread because it sucks. It's the worst feeling ever, especially if you have people waiting for you as well. Even if it's not important. If it's just, if you have someone there that who will be disappointed if you're not there on time. So now I'm like, I'm extra careful now where I was just like, oh, I need to wake up at seven to get ready. I'll wake up as I'll put the alarm for 6.30. Well, I think it's just the worst because when you at least oversleep, you can't communicate that you're going to be late. Yeah. And so nobody knows what the fuck is happening. There's no excuses you can make. You can normally assume if it's a morning thing, what's going on. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I get the like inversely. Do you ever have that moment where you have like an important day coming up and you just can't sleep? Oh, you can't sleep. Yeah. Oh, yeah. At which, at which hour do you call it? I'm going to stay up. Do you I'm going to commit to staying up? You know, I've really done a lot of thinking about this a lot because there's been a constant thing with jet lag. You have to really, because jet lag pretty much just does this to you. Exactly. Even if it's not a big thing the next day, it will just be like, you're awake. And then you have to be like, do you decide? Do I want to get up? Do I want to lie in bed? I do think, and I don't know if there's any truth in this, but in my own weird mental thing, I do think they're like lying down and resting. Even if I'm not sleeping, yeah, still gives me some mild amount of refreshment. Like, oh yeah. And I feel like so that's why sometimes I'm still hesitant to get up and start doing stuff. Because I know I'm going to be tired at like seven anyway. If I'm up from three, yeah, I would love to know if closing your eyes and lying down still gives you some form of rest. I think so. I think it definitely does. Yeah. Like not looking at like no music, just like even if it's your thoughts, because sometimes your thoughts are the fucking enemy. Because I'm in the one. You can calm your mind and help your muscles relax. Your blood pressure drops in your heart rate slows. It can also reduce stress. Yeah. Because this was like a huge stress thing like early on in my YouTube career, where I knew I'd need to go to sleep before a shoot. And I started getting to the point where I was like, okay, I need to like pop some melatonin. Yeah. I would need to pop some melatonin to help me to like make sure I get to bed. But my insomnia got so bad that I didn't take a lot of melatonin, just like a tiny bit. And I don't even recommend it. You know, I only used it when it was just like emergency. Yeah, necessary. But probably with melatonin is that if you pop it and you don't end up falling asleep, bro, you're fucked. Yeah, you're fucked. Yeah, you just feel groggy. Wait, is that possible to stay awake? Oh, yeah. You can fight through melatonin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Man, anxiety is a big thing for me. Anxiety sometimes counteracts the melatonin. Wait, that's when I went when I had my surgery, they gave me drowsy meds. And I think I was just too anxious that I that shit did nothing. And then the moment of the surgery was done, I passed out in the cab. Yeah, yeah. Because I know some people who like take melatonin daily. Yeah, that scares me. But also, you know what I realized with that, though? This is like such a difference in upbringing because if you, you know, obviously not I'm not trying to bash Americans because we always said a bash of Americans. But, you know, a lot of people I know that I feel like take melatonin a lot. They're like Americans. And so because like it's just normal in America, it's readily available. Yeah. In the UK or Japan, you got to get a prescription. Yeah. It's a very hard thing. Well, hard thing. It's pretty easy to get if you just want to want to get it. It's more of a roundabout way. It's most certainly like harder than getting like drowsy meds, which is the same. Also melatonin from what I understand is if you take it every day, then it just stops working. Your body gets adjusted. I just feel bad, you know, because I'm like, I don't know. It's like. I only take melatonin when it's like an absolute like I need to sleep. Otherwise, I'm fucked the next day. Yeah. I'm never taking it. I'm too scared to take it. That's great because like because I'll maybe take it like, I don't know, once or twice a month on like where it's like, I need to be up the next day and I'm extremely tired, but I can't fall asleep. And so it's just like, it's just a quick knockout. In my mind, like sleep feels like the most delicate thing that we do as humans. It's such a hard thing to do. I'm so terrified of messing with it in any capacity. Like, yeah. Yeah. Because I remember the like the worst time it happened to me the night before our trash taste drifting special. This is back in the early days where we'd not get our own rooms. Yeah. And we'd all sleep in the same room, which we don't do anymore. Yeah. But I remember that night I was like, oh, shit. This is like first big shoot. Yeah. It's in for that time. We spent a lot of money to make this shoot happen. Early on in our early on in our careers, fucking Chris was there as well, you know, big, big plan shoot. Oh, and I remember we're all sitting in the same room and I'm like, all right, I'm getting a bit sleepy. I should pop a melatonin. And I pop the melatonin. And I remember we were we were up chatting for a little bit. And I was like, okay, I'll stay up with the band just a little bit. Giggling in the dark. It's just giggling in the dark. But in the back of my mind, I'm just like, Gantt shut up. You need to go to sleep. You need to go to sleep. Stop banter. Yeah. And I remember we all get silent, right? And I'm like, okay, in my mind, I'm like, get rid of this anxiety. You need a good night's sleep. You need a good night's sleep. Fucking Chris just like just goes. And I'm like, oh no, it wasn't even that. It was just it was just a. Yeah. And I'm like that that is such an anxiety spike for me. Because even though it's short, I'm like, it's like the omen. It's like you got a fall asleep right now. You got a fall asleep right now. You have got 10 minutes. That's why I, it's like whenever I shared a room with Chris lately, I had to like beg him, like, please, can I fall asleep first? Like, because I once I'm asleep, it's good. Yeah. So please. I just don't share a room with him anymore. And I'm like, well, I mean sometimes you can't, right? It's like, I don't want to sleep in the dragon's den. That's what it fucking sounds like. Smorgasbd. Yeah. Do you ever, do you guys ever have to like get up in the dead of night to go to the toilet or anything? Yeah. Sometimes. I've gone to that age now. I realize I have to pee at least once every night. At least once every night. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's every, every other night, I'd say. I have to. Oh my God. I have to, if I don't want to pee at night now, I have to not drink water like two or three hours before bed. Do you know, do you know what, do you know what I've, I've had to like start consciously doing? Right. If I have a dinner and there is spicy food there, I cannot eat it. If it's past the hours of, I think like 8pm, if I'm having a late dinner, it can't be spicy food. Otherwise, I will take a shit in the middle of the night. And to me, taking a shit is 100% worse than taking, like getting woken up to take a piss. The two AM shits are just some of the most like, you'd be sitting on the toilet in the dark and just like, what the fuck am I doing? I was like, I'm shooting at 2am. I've had some nights where I've had like a big dinner and I'm just like, yeah, 2am shit. Sometimes it's the spicy food and you feel, you like, spicy food is one of those shits where you cannot like get off the toilet until it's all out because you will feel it like, you'll feel like gurgling in there. And the problem with taking like shits, like like 3am shits is that I feel like when I go out to take a piss, I'm like on the clock, right? I'm trying to piss and then do my business and then sleep before my mind catches up and wakes up. Yeah. But when I fucking take a shit, I have to go through the process of really going to, you know what I mean? You have to lock in. Yeah, I have to like, cause like after your mind starts getting active, I'm like, no, no, no, no, mind stop thinking, stop thinking. But when you take a shit, you're just like, you have to be there for a while. And your mind naturally wakes up. Yeah. With a piss, with like a 3am piss in the night, you can kind of still do it like half sleep. Yeah. You know, you just like sit down, do it, and then it's done. But with a shit, it's like, once it starts coming out, you are awake. It's just like, oh, this is happening. And I'm like, that, those are the nights I never get a good night's sleep because I wake up and then go back to sleep. And I find that really hard to do. For me, I'm like one session, I cannot like, I find, to me, it like blows my mind when people can wake up at 7 and then just go back to sleep. Oh, I can do that. You can do that? No, for me, once, once sunlight hits, and I know there's sunlight there, I'm like, no. I'm the master of double dipping in sleep. Like I've never been so many mornings, especially recently, because I've been going to bed like 11 recently, that I would wake up randomly at like 6 in the morning. And I'd look at the clock and be like, oh, alarm doesn't go off for another two hours. That is the best feeling. It's the best feeling. You wake up and you're not tired. Yeah. You're not tired and you still got like two hours before you have to be up. It's just like, yes. It's great. It does feel amazing. Yeah. It's so weird. I take so long to fall asleep the first time around, but doing double dipping, I can do it in an instant. Do you have any wake up tricks, stuff that helps you wake up instantly or wake up fast? What's your wake up routine look like? My wake up routine? I would just, I would turn my alarm off and then I would immediately sit up. That's my way of waking up. Because if I'm lying down on the bed, then I can very easily just knock back out again. So I actively sit up on the bed and just kind of start the processor in my brain and be like, all right, it's morning. Let's go. And then once I'm out and out of bed, I'm awake. What do you got? I don't know. I don't have an instant wake up routine. No matter what, it takes me like two hours to wake up unless I'm on jet lag, in which case. Yeah. In which case it's just like that. Do you have one? Yeah. Chug like half a liter of water. Yeah. Glass of water in the morning is great. Instantly wakes you up, bro. Cause you just got so much liquid inside of you and you're like, oh, okay. It's like, fill me up. Yeah. If you want to wake up instantly, I highly recommend keeping like a big glass of water next to your bed and chugging at the moment you wake up. Something about chugging wakes you up. I don't know why. I think it is like actually scientifically proven for it to be like the best thing to do when you wake up. Is chugging water wake you up? I have, I have heard that like drinking a glass of water in the morning is the best thing you can do in the morning. Well, cause I, cause now I can't fucking drink water right before bed, which I used to do. So you're just dry as fuck. So now I go to bed not, not thirsty, but not, not having drank water for quite a while. And then I, There you go. Drinking water when you wake up, office plenty, office plenty can improve your health and give you a great start to the day. Cucumber and mint. No, that's too fucking fancy, dog. I think I just just fucking drink water. Just a cup of water is great. What is Japan Japanese water therapy? What the fuck is anything is worth there? The practice of drinking four to five glass of water first thing in the morning. Four to five glasses of water. First thing in the morning? Bro, it's gotta be the orange juice glasses. There's no way it's like, It can't be the mug. It can't be a trash taste mug. I mean, like I have like a 500 milliliter glass bottle that I just washed all the time. And I fill that up room temp. The moment I wake up fucking poop. Yeah. I just have a, I just have like a bottle of water next to my bed at all times. So like if in the middle of the night, I'm feeling thirsty, I can sip on it. Here's the question. Let's say trash taste hypothetically is recording for some reason at nine o'clock. PM. AM. 9 AM. Oh, 9 AM. And let's say you got to leave your house at like 8 30. Okay. All right. What time you waking up? 7 30. 7 30. Oh, I'll do an eight or an 8 10. Oh yeah. I've seen, I've done that before. I'll do an eight or eight 10. Okay. So for example, like, you know, normally for trash days, we have to be here around on an average day, like 11 in the office. It takes me at least an hour to get to the office. So I have to be out of the house by let's say 9 45. I'm usually waking up at like 8 30, sometimes eight. So like what, what are you doing in that hour? Well, I'm taking my time to wake up because my, my brain takes a while to start up. So I'm like, I'm like, I'm making myself a coffee or like doing, you know, a couple of chores around the house that I can get done. The act of, okay. The act of getting up, doing this thing, going out that I did the idea that stresses me out. I need to mean salary man lifestyle. Okay. Okay. So I can do an 8 10 or 8 o'clock wake up, but that just means I have no time for myself. You know, I agree with that. Yeah. I don't leave time for myself. Yes. I try to do that on the commute. Yeah. Like look at my phone and reply. The worst feeling for me is like the feeling of rushing first thing in the morning. Yes. I hate that. Yes. No, the worst one for me is that my, my morning routine takes about 15 minutes. And my, my YouTube video I want to watch is 18. I gotta find three minutes. No, do you guys, do you guys feel that the way you start off the morning kind of dictates your mood for the day? Yeah. Totally. Yeah. If I could always have 30 minutes to myself to relax in the morning, I always have a better day because of it. Yeah. I just never do give myself that time because I think I'd want the 30 minutes for sleep. Right. Now to me, I prioritize that 30 minutes de-stress. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Question. You mentioned doing chores in the morning. I, I've never done chores in the morning. Oh really? That's what I always say. I love doing chores at like 11 PM or 12 PM. No. No, that's the worst. No, that's the worst. I mean, I'm in bed by then. My day's done. Well, yeah, but I, I am a big lover of going to bed, checking my phone for 20 minutes. Boom, I'm out. Like I do not like, I don't really enjoy sitting in bed doing nothing or like watching TV for like two hours. Because I have a routine now where I read for at least an hour before I go to bed. See, that sounds nice. So that's like my way of like de-stressing before bed. But for me, it's like, oh yeah, I can go take my trash out and I can get all the shit sorted. I'll do that and I'll go right to bed and I'll feel so good. Now I do it in the morning because then it's out of the way. And then I don't have to think about it until tomorrow. But I do it in midday. I do. I do love a midday chores session too. Yeah. Yeah. Midday to like break up the routine that you got. Maybe you're like, oh yeah, no, maybe you're in work and you're like, I gotta do something. That's the thing though with chores is that there's, if you're working from home, there's always a chore you can do in the middle of your work day at home. Right. So it's like, you know, I, if, if I would have a day where I'm home all day, working on a video, whatever it might be, and I want to break it up, then I'd be like, I'll look around the house and be like, well, there's these three chores that I have to do. Might as well do it. But if it's like today, for example, where I'm at the office all day, then I'm like, oh, there's dishes in the sink. I'll clean that up before I go. And that also wakes me up. Doing that process wakes me up before I leave the house. I guess I don't have that many chores to do. I have a dishwasher. I do as well. I load up the dishwasher. I do that every night. I do it every night. Yeah. I do it every night. I do it in the morning. What? Yeah. Why? Because I don't want to do it at night. But don't you want all the clean stuff for the morning? I mean, yeah, but the clean stuff is the stuff that I got done in the morning. I don't know. Sometimes you have a bang of meal and you're like, I'll clean this up in the morning. Yeah. No. No. No. No. I'll just put some water in that dish and let it sit in the sink. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Speaking of the spicy shit thing you mentioned, the other night I went out with a friend. I had a couple of drinks and I didn't get by too late. Like maybe like 11. And I was kind of peckish. I didn't want to order anything. And I had a bunch of instant ramen in my house and I had like two eggs in the fridge. And I was like, I'm a chef at all. Yeah. Mix them in some ramen, Korean noodles, black bean. Throw a fried egg on top. Chef's kiss. Started eating it. Didn't realize it was like the lava packet. But I mean, I'd already made it. I made the fucking egg for fuck's sake. Yeah. I'm in this. You can't back out now. So I finished it and I just had the horrible pain all night. Yeah. With my stomach. Just fighting for its life. And this was like really, even for me, this was really hot. This noodle. Right. This is a bit of a piss take. Yeah. I was really struggling and I really regretted it. And I had Indomie right there. I should have just done the Indomie. I'm such a fun and idiot, man. And I realized the Korean instant noodles are way thicker than the Indomie. Oh yeah. I was like, fucking hell. I'm getting like, I'm getting a... Carbo-loading. I'm carbo-loading, but I'm getting water-boarded by spicy black bean noodles. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, it's so good. Well, you picked that. I did. I did. It's fucking good. I haven't had instant noodles for so long, but it's so hard. God. Yeah. God, I haven't had instant noodles in a long time. I just haven't, you know what I've noticed? I haven't eaten ramen in a long time. Yeah. Cause I don't get the... Ramen takes a lot on the soul. I don't get the urge to go out and eat ramen anymore. Well, do you want to plus my mind when I see Reddit and people are like, this is everything I ate in the week in Tokyo. And it'll be seven bowls of ramen. I'm like, Lord have mercy on this man's blood level, blood pressure. When you're on holiday, you take pictures and you're like, god damn, I don't want to see how many calories I eat. I don't know. Like I never eat ramen anymore because when I'm in Japan, I'm always on my fucking health arc. Yeah. And then I go travel, which is often, and then I'm not on my health arc. And me living my normal life is me catching up to all the shit I did while I'm traveling. Yeah. True. Yeah. Most ramen when I'm doing cycle thongs, I don't feel bad about eating like 2000 calories in a single bowl. That's fair. That's fair. And it feels amazing after even cold all day. Yeah. And I don't know that soon. But I think, I feel like I don't deserve ramen half the time. Kind of in a slob, you know, I don't really deserve a giant bowl of calories. What's your cheat day meal? When you're like... Cheat day meal? Yeah. You are in Japan, but you're like... I feel like treating myself today. I don't want to do chicken breast again. Cheat day meal. Yeah. What do you rethink or going out to eat? Are we like Yakiniku? Yakiniku? Yeah. Yakiniku is my cheat day. For me it is. Fuck. I'm fucked. That's the healthy one for me. I just meet and veg, isn't it? What the fuck? Yeah, but it's a lot of meat. It's good for you protein. Yeah, but it's also like 3000 calories sometimes. You know, it's a lot. I don't count the fucking calories. I'm going for yakitori tonight. That's good for you. Because I'm also drinking like a beer next to that or like a high ball or something. Rice, you know, it's a lot of food, bro. I don't eat rice at Yakiniku. Oh, no, I do. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do. I do. I do. Yeah, for me it's pasta. Oh, no. Oh, really? That's a regular for me. Oh, shit. I don't like... This is the part about trying to stay healthy. We are like... I don't know. Because I know the really bad foods for me. I know I got those down. Yeah. Burgers. Yeah. Donalds are like easy. I know that. I know that. I have the really healthy foods. One that I should be eating all the time. Yes. But then when like you mentioned like it's like a carbonara. I feel like it's okay. Yeah. It's fine to have just a carbonara. Carbonara is the neutral meal for me. Like that's fine, right? To have a carbonara, right? Like I mean, it's not healthy for me, but it's not terrible for me, I think. Yeah. And so I'm at this point where I start feeling bad for eating literally anything. Like I had a biryani. I'm like, I know it's just rice and meat, but like... Oh, I would feel bad for eating that. It's not that bad. It wasn't that much food. And I was like, is it? Should I feel bad for this? I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Like I eat like a lot of like breads and rice and pasta. And I know that I shouldn't be eating it as much as I am, but fuck man. You're going to have to fight me to get me away from those because I'm packing it away. I just don't want to live if I can't enjoy a good curry or a biryani. Yeah. Or a pasta. I mean, what's the fucking point of being around here? Yeah. It's just miserable enough as is. To me, it just makes the... Don't bring this shit up, guy. Look, I know it's... Don't even feel bad. Look, look, I know it's bad for me, but isn't it really that bad if I just have one carbonara? Yeah. Can a man not enjoy a carbonara in the comfort of his own home? A succulent Italian meal. A succulent carbonara. Is it a crime to enjoy this? So what is a cheap meal for you then? Bro, like fucking fried chicken. Like, you know what I mean? Like some objectively... Like yanyom chicken or some shit? Yeah. Like just saying that there's no qualms about is it bad for me on the whole. See, I put fried chicken in the same level as carbonara and biryani in terms of my cheap meal for me. No. What? No. Mentally. Mentally, I do. I mean, you're probably like right. You're probably right, but... I don't know. I'm not a nutritionist. Like that's... And the reason I don't have ramen anymore is because on the like level of cheap meal, that's so down there in terms of like what I'm craving. I feel like we've been warped by like, you know, social media and diet culture. It's like I genuinely struggle to let myself... No, I do enjoy these things. I tell a lie. I was going to say let myself enjoy these things, but like let myself enjoy these foods without at least thinking once like, oh, I don't know if I'm allowed to eat this or if I should be. And I'm like, does it fucking matter? It's a fucking carbonara. Just eat it. Yeah. It's fucking tasty. Now, even for me, right? Like when it comes to like the not wanting to eat ramen, I've recently caught myself being like, okay, do I want to eat a ramen or do I want to like go and get like a tally and like a pasta? Yeah. And nine times out of 10 now, I'd rather go and get the pasta. But is there that what's the difference between the pasta and the ramen in this case? What's the... I don't know. I feel less in a weird way. I feel less guilty eating the pasta. I mean, ramen is heavy. It is heavy. It's a lot of salt. It's a lot of salt. It's a lot of fats and a lot of carbs, which I'm sure is also in the pasta, but I don't know. I feel less guilty eating the pasta. So also, generally speaking, I will say like the portions of food you get in ramen is a lot higher than your average pasta size in Japan because ramen is meant to be the... You know, it's meant to be that you're working on your fucking construction site. You're going to get a fucking bowl of ramen. You're fucking good for the day. Yeah. Like it's meant to be a very extremely filling food. Not... I don't think it's designed for like the office worker to be having every day because it's not great for the lifestyle. Because I would also like if I wanted Japanese style noodles, for instance, if I was in a very craving that very niche type of meal, I would rather just go like get sobo or something because I feel again, less bad. I see a serve as well. Yeah, I feel a lot less guilty. Yeah. Soba is like way better for you than ramen. So I'm just like, I'd rather just get that. I don't know. Maybe it's the lack of good ramen places around my house, which is a grace, I guess. Oh no. I find myself eating a lot less. There were some meals that I feel like were in my diet a lot more before I started being like more health conscious. Because now if I want to eat, it has to be like really, really tasty. And really, really up there for me like, okay, I'm taking a day off to enjoy this meal. You know? I don't know. Weird. 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