Spittin' Chiclets Episode 615: Featuring David Andrews

Hey, spit and chicklets listas. You could find every episode on Apple Podcasts in Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Bostal sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the spit chicklets podcast full time. No, little bit. Ryan Whitney got a pink Whitney out there now. I just got a man-bagger. Get that on camera. He can't be. The song man. Kate is a full time member. Marley just gotten us this from Chris B. Whoa, we're buzzing right now. So, Keith. What is up, everyone? Welcome back to spit and chicklets. Episode 615. We are climbing up towards Biz and I finally getting a thousand episodes or something because we never sniffed a thousand games even combined. That's our guy, Yance. But thank you so much for everyone who's joining in again. And thank you so much, everyone who drinks pink Whitney. Right now it's snowing again outside my office window. We got about, I think it was 20 inches we got just a complete Blizzard snowed in which can be fun with the fire going inside and what a day for a Blizzard. Incredible football, but pink Whitney was was drunk. It was drunk. It will be drank again because I think another Blizzard's coming next weekend. So reminiscent of 2015 Boston times when it snowed a foot in a half every five days. Don't necessarily love that, but I do love pink Whitney. And I love anyone else out there who drinks pink Whitney. And I love the big bottles and the little bottles and the Mickey's and the sharks. And anyway, you want to drink it. I appreciate it. We appreciate it. And we love New Amsterdam's pink Whitney vodka. Pinkies up. You'll see more of that later. Keith, Biz, what's going on? Keith, we're going back to another Super Bowl. Biz, you got to watch our team win just one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen in my win. A win is a win and the hatred from these people towards the Patriots and you stink. You suck. You're going to get murdered in the ball. We've heard it all before. We've heard it all before and the hatred. I think Hank from part might take tweeted out. It's an image from South Park. I don't know who it is. One of the characters is just literally licking and drinking somebody's tears coming down their cheeks. Because that's how I feel. And Biz, when you root for a team like this, people call me a bandwagon Patriots fan. Get the fuck out of here, bandwagon Patriots fan. I ran out into Kenmore Square after the first Super Bowl, my freshman year at BU, the night before my first ever Beanpot game and partied and celebrated. And I ended up on the cover of the BU Daily Free Press. So Sandbag and I've been rooting for this team for 25 years. So everyone can suck it. Everyone can just enjoy the Patriots back in the mix when all your loser teams can't get anything accomplished. Rebuild after rebuild. We drafted one QB didn't work. And we got another one now. We're back in the big game. So suck it. I do feel like a lot of Canadians, which obviously we have a lot of Canadians listening. I feel like a lot of Canadians like the Patriots, right, Biz? Especially the East Coast. Yeah, I mean, outside of obviously Bill's fans in the West Coast, they're big Seahawks supporters. I mean, I say it in the interview that we got today with David Andrews. Like I, I love the villain and the dynasty and the fact that it infuriates so many other fan bases. Cause I like, like even when the chiefs were winning, I didn't mind that either. Like I was a big my, my home's fan. I was a big Kelsey fan. And actually, who's there coach? It looks like a walrus Andy. Andy Rie I love him too. And I'm happy for the Patriots, man. I'm happy how miserable it makes other people too. So I hope you guys bring home your seventh. Although I gotta be careful because Jeff Jacobson and all my Vancouver community are huge Seahawks supporters. And actually thinking about it even more now, I kind of feel bad the way they lost the Butler interception one. So I wouldn't, I would be okay if it ended up one in one, right? You guys want one each, but we'll keep it neutral. Congratulations to you boys. I know G's like the one of the biggest jocks. Neffers, he's got this old Jersey that he always wears. It's his good luck charm. But let's see if it works out this one. Yeah, and the game between Seattle and LA, I mean, yeah, that looked like a different league. Both QBs playing incredible. And the Sam Donald story, we get into it. It's hard to hate this guy. This guy has been kicked to the curb numerous times by different teams, different organizations. And I mean, he's playing incredible. That team looks amazing, but there's been many Superbolts where people counted us out. And it all started with one when we were 14 point underdogs. Right now, I think it's four and a half points. The Seattle sea hawks are favored by. So yeah, we underdogs. Yes, no doubt. But Sam Donald originally saw ghosts against the Patriots. That's where it all began when he was on the jets. And who knows? You could see that again, but I couldn't believe the guy was, the guy was a machine. And that crowd in Seattle, I know Jeff was at the game. That seems pretty special to see a football game. At least a big one, like the NFC title game, because it seemed awesome. But after you win and then you sit back, you just get to watch you, you get to play. It's like, that's the best time to watch a championship game when you've already won the other one. Because as I'm sitting there, I get the fire. I get to pink wit. And I'm just like, who do we got? I don't really care. We'll beat either one of them, but it was a hell of a game to get to enjoy. And then shoveling every 25 minutes. I would say outside of maybe two games, these playoffs in the NFL, every game's been entertaining. Even though one of the Blizzard, although it was low scoring, and then to lead into that shootout from last night, I don't even know how to say the guy's name, but that one receiver who had a big night. Yeah, he's a CSN. No, what's it? Jackson Smith, and I don't know how to say the third name. CSN, Nicole. Okay, a kind of like a UPL from the Buffalo Sabers. You just kind of keep it and simplify it. Classic. I thought that Tom broke it down perfectly. His shoulders didn't move when he was running. They didn't go up, didn't go down. He just stayed like he was like, it looked like he was a Tesla out there. You know, like the way that you just all of a sudden boom, out of the gate and a pretty remarkable player and a great job for the Seahawks to reload. I don't know a ton of football boys, but I paid attention mostly during these playoffs, and I've been blown away. So I just hope for a great high scoring Super Bowl, and we can all put the season arrest. Yup, that'll be it. And we do a lot of football talk with David Anders about current, you know, Patriots Seahawks matchup about the games and then about his kind of career where he won two Super Bowls, good friend of yads, great guy, awesome interview. With that, I think it's the perfect time to throw it over to David Andrews, legendary Super Bowl champion and great guy, former NFL New England Patriot, David Andrews. Very special guest right now, a little different than the usual hockey guest. We have a former 10 year NFL player, two time Super Bowl champ, named to the all 2010 New England Patriots team, 2010s center David Andrews. What's going on bud? Well, what's up guys? How are we doing? We're doing great Keith and I at least. Yeah, I was like, this, who do you cheer for? I'm not a hard core NFL fan, but I rooted for Green Bay. I still do more from a distance now. I was a big far guy and then Aaron Rogers. So I was very fortunate with quarterbacks and yeah, but I, you know what though? It, I love that it pisses so many people off about the New England dynasty. Like I love the Bellachek Brady area, era. So I am so happy for you guys and right back on top of the AFC. I took a lot of pride playing in New England because a lot of people didn't want to play there. They'd be like, oh, I can't come do that with Bill. Like I can't and it was a grime, like it was hard and it was tough, but to me, like that's the point, right? Like it's supposed to be like that. And I took a lot of pride knowing that maybe someone was better than me, but they couldn't last in this system. You know, they couldn't, they couldn't thrive. And now I see why people really hate New England because we were the worst fans for about four years and just acting like our world was coming down. And now we're back in the Super Bowl. So I understand why everyone hates us. And I like the hate. I'm glad you brought that up first. Like what is it about like surviving that environment? And like what is it that Bellachek did? That was so much different than other organizations when you would come in every day. Like would he be on you nonstop? Like was it just the amount of time you would spend at the field? Like what was it in particular? It was a little bit of everything, man. And you guys had Tom on, you know, whatever that was a couple of weeks ago. And you got to see some of that. I mean, look, I think, and I don't know how it is in hockey, right? But I always felt like the coach sets the tone, right? He's got to set the standard. But then it's the players job to uphold that standard. And it's also a little different, you know, we have 53 guys plus 10 practice squad guys. So you're talking about 60ish guys. So you got to have a lot of leadership in that big of a group, you know, and it can't just be, all right, Bill and Tom are on the same page. And then everyone else go do your own thing. So I think I look at these teams and learning a lot of history of New England, right? When I got there, they beat you over the head with the history. What are the six states in the New England area? That was like fun facts we had to learn, you know? And that's a lot for you too, T. I'd be see if I could do that. Let's see if you can do it. Maine, yep. New Hampshire, Massachusetts. What? Yeah. That's how he says it. I don't want to keep us stalled here. What are the other two road island? I'll give you a hit. Road Island. And then there's one next to a really big place. I'm going to say this will be his hit. No, Jim, Jim Calhoun. You guys give me the sex. Connecticut. Oh, what? Him saying long island after Rhode Island's funniest shit though. I almost missed that one. Fuck, I'm an idiot. But that, but I got five of the sex for a Canadian. So that's pretty good. Right. Why was he so we just we had a big one? I'm going to say this is a big one. I'm going to say this is a big one. I'm going to say this is a big one. Jim, Jim Calhoun. You guys give me the sex. Connecticut. Oh, what? Him saying long island after Rhode Island's funny is shit though. I almost missed that one. Fuck, I'm an idiot. But I got five of the sex for a Canadian. So we just we had to learn about New England. We had to learn about the area we were in. We had to learn about the guys that were there before us, right? Like the brusquies, Matt lights, Brabels, all these guys. And for me, as an alignment coming in, learning about, you know, Matt light, Dan Copen, Logan Mankins, all these guys that had this great ol' line culture. When I got there, it was like, all right, whatever I got to do to try to. Keep that going. That's what I wanted to do. And then you walk in the meeting and what could you say about even when I got there, he had another Hall of Fame career. Com Brady did when I got there. But before that, he was a Hall of Famer. What are you going to say to him? But it wasn't like, he messed up, Bill was on him. Julian messed up, Bill was on him. We had these things called low lights and practice. And it was like coming in after practice or the next morning, you did not want that film to come on and the lights to go down and be on low lights. And I think a lot of people get misinterpreted about, like we didn't want to let Bill down. It wasn't about that. I didn't want to let my guys down. And then by being on that film, that means I let my guys down by doing some stupid. You know, that's what low lights were. It wasn't, oh, you got beat. Everyone's getting beat, right? It's the NHL NFL. Like you're going to get beat. You go out and you do a stupid turnover or penalty or whatever it is and cost your team, that's going up on the low lights. So it was just the culture that was set along before I got there that I wanted to try to keep going, which we somehow lost, you know, toward the end of my career. And then labels come in and totally redesign this culture. I don't know what it is, but it is. I know it's nothing like what it was when I was there. He seems like he's the man like, yeah, as you pointed out last pod, like he's in the hallway, making sure he shakes or high fives every single guy who walks in the locker room. So I'm sure there's still that like that accountability and quote unquote, shaming on video to keep guys accountable. But it seems a little bit more fun loving and you're getting that positive reinforcement from them. Well, I think you guys probably looked at the end of your career like things were changing, right? Oh, yeah. We're different motivations. We're different with guys. Um, you know, it just, it's a different world. And now that's only getting worse coming from college with the transfer portal. These guys are making, I mean, I don't know what it was like playing college hockey. And I know Yanns didn't go to college, but I like, if I got a hundred bucks, that man I could drink for like two weeks straight, you know, like it was unbelievable. And so, you know, I then I came in and they write me a little check and I'm like, I'm rich. I'm living forever. You know, I think that's changed guys when guys come in and I think Mike's done a great job of connecting these younger players and older players and kind of meshing that to what's important. I don't know if he saw something. There was a, he was doing a press conference and you have a lot of national media on these big games, right? People coming out of the woodworks and the press conferences. Someone asked them like, Hey, you're going to try to keep your players off their phones for distractions. And he like chuckle. He was like, yeah, all right, that's a good idea. Tell them not to look at the griffy. You know, like he gets it. Like it is what it is. Like this is what the world we live in. He's not trying to change these guys. And I think too, for the biggest thing, and I thought Bill did a good job of this at times too. You get these group of guys, right? You can't make everyone be the same. Think the same. Have the same motivations. But you can have all these different personalities, but you got to have one mentality. And I think they've done that this year, which has been so impressive to do in five months. Warriors. Is that what the mentality is? That was cool. It was Matt Collins. And he walked in and he's got no shoes on. And it was big to get him back. And he's banging these bottles together. So I had no clue me in my buddies. We're, we're, I don't know what that is. Then my dad sent me the clip of the movie. Warriors. Have you seen that movie, bitch? No, I haven't seen that. That's what I heard. I saw it all over social media. Yeah, it was a movie. Did it bad boy? Okay. Mountain play. It's a spin off of that from the Warriors come out and play movie. Okay. But that was like very, very good interest. And he made that huge catch in that game. And I want to ask you about that game. Oh, messy. Now, yeah, just a dog fight and our buddy murals on our show is a huge bills fan. So he's just bitter and miserable. He's a loser. He's never want to think. He's always been losers. And they're always going to, I mean, they're just losers. They're losers. And they're just complete. Although the sabers are buzzing that we'll get into them. But murals is just furious watching the game. This is disgusting, horrible football. That game, when it's like that, I assume no matter what team was playing, you can't move the ball, right? Like what was the wind like there? No, yeah. It that games tough and that place, you know, I sure you guys have favorite stadiums you play in, right? Like there's no ones you guys go into and you're like, this is awesome. Yep. And that place is great even. I played in 180th-C championship there. And then I think three or four times in the regular season. And it's just always been one of my favorite places. It's a great atmosphere. You know, the bills are up there for me. Kansas City, that 2018 AFC Championship game on the road. That's by far my favorite game and probably one of my favorite places I've ever played. But Denver's always been awesome. And look, we've had, we've had like, I think it's O and 4 in the AFC Championships or playoffs out there in the history of our team. So it kind of broke a little bit of a curse this week, which was awesome. But yeah, it was a lot due to first half, beautiful. I mean, it was cold, but it's also I also think the Denver cold and Massachusetts or like other colds are very different. So what really wasn't bad? And then I mean, the middle of the third quarter is not bad. And then all of a sudden it's just like white. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't. I think for this Patriots team, I guess the thing to me that's been so good to see, but also a little concerning is most of the year, what's everyone talked about, Drake May, right? That's been the whole storyline. And he's been unbelievable. He's put up MVP numbers. You know, we'll see what happens with that over the next week. But it's been unreal. That's been the story. And it's kind of like the defense has been on the back burner. And I do sports radio in Boston and they were like, all the defense can't win a game. And I didn't have a lot of evidence to be like, no, I think they can. You know, they were dealing with injuries, different things like that toward the middle of the end of the year. And he's like, our offense has to win a game. And I was trying to be like, I think this defense is better than this, but I just didn't have anything to back it up other than to do the whole, oh, they got injury cop out thing. But then you see them get healthy, these playoffs and your defense for three straight games has gone out there against, you know, the top five defense, the number one defense. And Broncos were again top five and outdubled these defenses. I mean, they played unreal. So to me, that's the, I guess the biggest positive in these playoffs, the biggest negative has been the offense. And you play two games at home, you turn the ball over a lot. Drake made the plays when he needed to, especially in that Texans game, you know, some of those throws throughout that game were huge. But this game, you know, I guess the good thing is they didn't turn the ball over. That to me was going to be the biggest thing. If you turn the ball over against Denver, especially in a game like this with this weather, that's huge because you see what happens. It's only push out the Patriots scored what it came off of. Drake made run in the end zone that I called turn over came off the turnover and, and, you know, we got the ball at the 15 yard line, but you are right. That is how we scored. But, you know, that's the only real points. The Patriots got, they never put together a drive, you know, they missed a field goal. That's what I thought if the Patriots were going to lose, that's how it was going to be. But the weather is also just, it's a huge factor and you could see that in both offenses. I mean, I just got done watching the film and I'm sitting there trying to watch it. It's just kind of like banging your head against the wall. You know, but those games are awesome. I, to me, winning on the road some days is better than winning it out. My question about that game. So the Broncos had a chance to go up 10-nothing. They go for it on fourth and one or whatever, fourth and goal, whatever it was. They get stuffed. It turns out if they just taken the points, right? It's 10-10 if the game works out the same way. Did they know the buzzard was coming in? Were people aware because if they knew they're saying, why didn't Peyton just take the points? Yeah, who's in charge of the weather? Yeah. We were very, you were usually various in, in dialed with the weather. Like, you knew what was coming. Right. Like, and you were, you play, when you play outside, you have to be aware. You have to be aware of the score, rain, heat, snow, wind, and it's always changing. You know, we played the wind game in 21 in Buffalo and we prepared like we were going to go through the football. Like I remember doing the walk through that night and I'm like, have we looked outside yet? Like have we seen this? But you got to prepare like, you got to prepare like you're going to do it. And then during the game, that's when or at the start of the game, you know, we ended up having meetings in the locker room. So I don't, I wasn't keeping up. I was more concerned about what was going on back home, you know, with my, I'm going to get my, my babysitter and baby there, like who's taking care of everything? We had the heat go out. So like, Gil, getting, you know, text come in. But, you know, I wasn't paying attention to it. So I had no idea it was coming. I assume they did. So in saying that, I looked at that. I wrote that down in my nose. Like to me, that was one of the most mind blowing decisions from the coaching position at that point. To go up 10.0, right? And look, everything's hindsight 2020, obviously, but you go up 10.0, you've got a great defense. You got home filled advantage. You've got a backup quarterback who was playing. He outdooled Drake May. Other than he's going over, he outdooled Drake May in that. Drake did not play great. He only had 80 something in our passing and Jared had 130 something yards in a touchdown. But and Denver was really moving the ball. I was, when I was watching this morning, I was like, man, they were stringing drives together and they missed the field goal, got a field goal block. And then the fourth down, where he did a good point. So field goal block, field goal miss and no points right there. That's kind of 13 points that you cost yourselves. And so that coaching decision, that's one thing I do love about football is I don't know, and you guys will know more about this and hockey coaching. But like I don't know if coaches have such an impact on sports as they do in the NFL. No way. Nothing comes close. You know, I mean, and me and, yeah, and obviously became close from working out together. And just like hearing how you guys prepared for things versus what we did is so different. You know, like we were talking about our practice schedules and I'm like, yeah, you know, I get in at 6 a.m. and leave at 7 o'clock that night. And you know, he would just like, couldn't wrap his head around and then he'd be like, well, we'd be in there at like nine and leave it noon. And I'd be like, like we're just going to practice at noon. And then we're coming in to do me. You know, it's just, but that's, you know, you guys are going out there and playing so much versus we're putting all this time in for one, three hour thing. And in football, there's so much, there's so much strategy and you're setting things up whether both sides of the ball and looks on special teams where it's, you know, hey, we might run this zone coverage and make it all look the same because in the third quarter, 40 plays later, we want to show that zone coverage and switch to man and mess them up or whatever that situation is same with offense. So that to me, the coaching decisions in football are so out and there's become this big movement on going forward on for that. Yeah, I wouldn't read in a lot online about this. And I feel like there's a bit of a revolt now and it's kind of ruining the game. Yeah, I go back and forth on it because sometimes I think it's really good and Bill wasn't that big on going for it on for that. There's not a lot of like I really remember, you know, very rarely different things like that, but you know, I feel like a few years ago with Dan Campbell, he was kind of like the first like we're going for it. And then, you know, I mean, the Patriots have gone for it more. I feel like this year than I did in my whole career and it's paid off a lot. But sometimes I think we get these analytics and these percentages go get wrapped in people's heads and they start playing to that versus sometimes you got to feel what the game is because every situation is different, you know, and yeah, I didn't think that was the best coaching decision personally in my view. Yeah, you talked about, you know, the Patriots, most of the season being an offensive threat and Drake may do in his thing. And then the last few games winning by defense, like when you talk about the good teams in hockey, they can play in any type of game, whether it's scrums at the net, like you think of Florida's Tampa's, the Colorado's, Vegas's like, they want to play heavy, they can play heavy if they want to play defensive game. Other Patriots like going into the Super Bowl because you've seen what their defensive done the last, you know, a few games. Is it something that you're like, whatever type of game this is going to be, you know, you feel comfortable in what they can do? Well, I think this, like Mike's very big on, he never worked with Bill Bellichek as a coach. Brable didn't obviously, right? But he played with him or played under him for whatever it was 10 years, I, you know, eight years, I forget and had a lot of success. And you don't, you don't, you know, there's a lot of stuff, you know, people were talking about Bill and that, that is what it is. But you don't, to me, you can't look at Bill's 20 something years and say, what's happened the last four years, five years has ruined those. No, you still, we still did all that stuff. And, and, you know, Tom, like the whole Bill and Tom, first, Tom thing, I, look, it makes great talk radio and TV and all of that. But Tom, to me, when he went to Tampa, he took everything he learned from Bill and just instilled it into Tampa with a great roster that was missing one piece, the quarterback. And so when I look at Brable and some things that this team does and Brable believes in, I see the obvious Bill Bellichek influence, right? And I think these Patriot teams, especially the ones I played on, we were a chameleon, right? Just a go throw at 45 times, great. Tom will do that. You need us to run it, you know, and 18, that was our big identity was running the football we were built for it. We had Gromp, Dwain Island, two huge tight ends, James Devlin, a fullback who was just a moose that we had great running backs are really good offense line. So we went into games like, all right, we're going to line up and play in two tight ends in a fullback, which that's when the league, I felt like started shifting to more of these fast skill, you know, the Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City with all these skill guys was coming on the scene and was like, well, we're going to throw one receiver out there who's you know, white, Julian, Adelman, and you know, we're just going to bully ball you. And and then, but what we did, we can manufacture things so well and like in the Super Bowl versus the Rams, that's what we were doing. We were lining up, letting them dictate what for, you know, if you guys are putting out base defense, which is harder to run against, easier to throw against. All right, we're going to spread the ball out. And now we get Julian lined up against the linebacker. Good luck. Linebacker can't cover Julian. So we were just able to do all these things, look different. Hey, you know, and we go to Kansas City the week before in 18. It was a shootout, right? Over time, out dual Patrick Mahomes and that high scoring offense. And then we go play the Rams and it's 13 to three, you know, like we could do it. However, we wanted to do it. We scored one touchdown defense, played their ass off. So that to me is always a great sign. I think when you're a one trick pony and you're living off, hey, we just got a score of 45 points. That's great. It's fun to see. I enjoy watching it. Who does it, right? We all love seeing scores on anything. But, you know, being able to win games in different ways, that's the only thing that matters. You got to find a way to win, you know, and I think that's what great teams do. They don't care who gets the credit. If it's Drake May throwing for 400 yards, great. If it's him throwing for 86 and win a messy snow game, great. We'll move on. And I think there's guys like I look at Stefan Diggs, right? Like he's had this reputation. I'm sure there's guys like that in hockey, right? Where they get some type of reputation. Or whatever reason. And then they come somewhere else and just, you know, look, he's older. He's at the back end of his career. He gets put in an opportunity. And I think he's done a great job for this team. And he's had obviously his big, you know, first thousand yard receiver in a long time since the Patriots. But then there's games where it's like he's not even out there. Like he had a few catches yesterday. But that doesn't matter. I saw him one drive yesterday. They were coming off the field paths were stalled again, struggling in the first half. He's getting going up the guys, picking up their chains. You know, it's stuff like that you need as a veteran. And I think he's done a great job for this team. You know, and they've kind of put all that other bullshit and all that personal bullshit aside and said, no, we're going to come together. Where this helmet jersey and fine waist went. And that's me. That's what a football team, that's what teams are. You know, that's what it's about. That's why I think we all get into this eventually. When I was just going to hop in because you mentioned like it's not even close as far as like coaches and how much impact they have on the game. In hockey, there's like set plate face offs. You have a certain amount of system changes throughout a game like how you four check. Maybe how you want to break out for a for you. How many different plays do you basically have to have memorized in your head going into a game for your position? And as a center, you got to know just as much as the quarterback, right? Yeah. Me and Tom would work really hand in hand together. You know, how we wanted to handle. Look, he was driving the bus and then I was conducting it. You know what I mean? It is. It's a lot. I would say, you know, there's really, you would have your core plays, right? And then, you know, which we probably had. So let's say you're like passing plays, right? You would have dual protections in that, which is something. And then you would have five of those. Then you would have slide protections. You would have five of those. Then you have your empty protections. You'd have five of those. And then you'd have play actions, gadgets and all these different things. It's always constantly changing week to week because of what you're facing, right? So if a team runs a lot of man-defense, when they blitz and the back has to stay in the block, you can expect that extra blitzer because when the back-sky gets blocked, he's going to add on. So there's all different things that changes week to week that changes your rules, right? You might want to say, hey, they do this. We got to be in three by one formations, which means three receivers on one side, one on the other because of their blitz package. And you can't tell because now the weak safety gets involved in two by two. So there's all this different stuff that would change week to week on who you're playing, how you're playing. And it's, you go into a game and I would say, memorize, you have to learn the offense, right? And that's what training camps for. That's why we spend so much time in training camp in the offseason program because you have to learn the offense. And then once you know it, now it's just changes week to week, right? So it's a little, you know, nuance week to week. As it often's aligned and you can change plays call the same play, but instead of a tide end doing something, now it can be a receiver. So it really doesn't affect you, but it changes how it's, you know, viewed by the defense, right? You go up there like Mac Collins, right? Mac can do so much run blocking as a receiver. So you can do different things where it's like, hey, well, now we only have one tide end, but we have Mac Collins who's very physical. Now when you took him out, now you have two tight ends, now that changes everything, but you're still running the same core play if that makes sense. Last quick one follow up, how many times when Tom would get in there and you'd be like, we're going to go like red blood hole to do like whatever you call the play and you were like, fuck, I don't know what play he just called. And like, would you have to be never one time? No. Okay. Like it just, I mean, probably my, so my rookie year, right? I was undrafted. You know, I was supposed to be there for a cup of coffee and then go sell insurance or something. And then, but it was awesome because I got thrown in with Tom some reps. Well, I'm learning this offense at a snail's pace and he's on, you know, ninth degree algebra. So it made me have to learn it, you know, and like, dude, I, I made flashcards. You know, all the stuff teachers tell you to do to learn how to study and then you don't do in school. That's what I did coming. I had flashcards. You need my, I'll never forget in the huddle. Oh no. I had them do. He had one of the arm things. I locked, I would lock myself in my hotel. He had one of those quads. We stated the residents in in Foxboro. I'm a risk-cult and black member with how much time I spent in that mario residence in. We, I would lock myself in the room and I went and bought a white, white board and expo markers. I had flashcards. I was drawing stuff up. Well, I'll never forget. I went home with my dad and my dad coached me and, and, you know, had a lot of impact on my life. But it also became, I'll never forget he came to college one day and tried to coach me. I got dumped in college, picked up, someone put me on my head, held me, fly off. And I walk it off the field and he said something to me and I was like, hey, this is a high school football anymore. Yeah, it's different. I'm different dad. If you come to practice, don't say a word to me anymore. And, you know, it was whatever. But, you know, he was my coach for my whole life. And then, you know, we were at home. We get like five weeks off in the summer. So I was like, hey, quiz me on these flashcards. He's like, are you in with me about what I wrote? And I'm like, shut up. You don't know what that means in the first place. So just shut the hell up. You know, but it was, that's what I tried to do. You just try to learn it because I knew with my position and where I was, if I, you know, if I fucked up my opportunity, I wasn't getting, I mean, you guys see it in hockey, right? Like a high draft pick in hockey. He's going to get more and more opportunities, right? Oh, yeah. Versus someone that, you know, gets in. I don't even know how many rounds are in hockey, but a late round draft pick like he, he kind of dicks around. They're just going to be like, I scrap it. We're moving on. You know, and that's even worse for an undrafted guy. So, you know, that was, I knew for me, if I had an opportunity, I better be squared away and ready to go because if not, I wasn't going to, they could have cut me and wrote me a check for $5,000 and sent me on the way, you know? And so I knew I had to have that. So I worked so hard on my school side of football, you know, more than I ever did in anything because it was just in school. In school. I was a, yeah, I was a big school. I was, school was always pretty easy for me. So I didn't feel like I had to study. I could scrape by. But yeah, I don't know. And I loved the, I grew up in football. My uncle was a head coach for a long time. He's actually, he's in the ring of honor here for the Broncos. And so I grew up around training camp and seeing all this stuff. And it was one of those things from like an early age. Like I fell in love with, I only played a line. I got never scored a touchdown. I played for 26 years. You know, it was just like, this is what I loved. I loved being an alignment and watching my uncle's guys and seeing that, like, there's just something special about it. So, you know, and I think it's similar to like hockey, right? You guys have these lines you play in. And you guys kind of know how each other are going to react even when something goes off script, right? Like something happens, which I know your guys' sports very unscripted in a lot of ways. But you guys just get that feel with guys. That's how it being an alignment is. Like something could happen in a game. And when you got a good alignment guys that click with each other and play together for a long time, it doesn't matter. Because you know, I know how my right guard's going to react. He knows how I'm going to react when shit is the fans. So, I don't know. I love studying football. I still like, I love watching the tape. Like waking up Monday morning watching tape is like the highlight of my week, which is kind of sad. But. So, besides, you know, being afraid to not know the plays and stuff like that, I know Tom Brady was big or not having a sweaty ass. Were you ever worried about, you know, having too sweaty of an ass out there? Because I know you're a sweaty fella. Yeah, you know, you know, thank God I couldn't imagine playing with him in Tampa. But I will say this, my favorite thing about playing in New England, right? You get up there and you're like, man, this is, you know, I got up. I'll never forget my wife came my first and more a week and she comes up there. She didn't bring a jacket. You know, we're from Georgia. It's 80, 90 degrees more a week and it was like 50 and raining. I had to go buy her a jacket. Like it was miserable. She was like this place sucks, you know? Like it's, you know, gray and raining and it's memorial day. We can't be supposed to be drinking and hanging out. But, you know, but the best part was like in training camp, you're like, oh, thank God, it's not going to be 105 degrees out there today. And just guys from the south, we always just fall out. Like it's like 91 degrees and we're just getting our ass kicked up here. It's a weird heat. But he was very big. I had never understood it. It kind of pissed me off a little bit because I'm like, dude, I've done this for a long time. I know I haven't played in the NFL, but like other quarterbacks just get along with it. But that's what made Tom so special is he just found these little edges, right? This is this is a little thing on how I can be better, how I can make stuff easier. So yeah, not having a sweaty ass and getting the ball. But then he got mad at me. I didn't wear gloves on my snap hand and I bleed a lot. And you know, I mean, you're hitting guys, your knuckles, your hands. You're just always cut up and bloody. Blood on the ball would piss them off to him. Like, what do you want me to do about this? What would you do to keep a dry ass? You would. So dude wipes, you would learn how to fold these towels we had. And I had to throw away a lot of towels. Some came out. Yeah, some. I should get them at the they're all at the residence in. Yeah, some some came out a little messy at times, you know, and you know, so they they made it in the trash and that the laundry. So you had this very special way. You had a full of towel and then you had to put it in your pants. Now you had to put it bare ass. Some guys would want to go like compression pants and then the towel and that to me, that system never worked because you're never getting at the source, right? You got to get in there. You got to get to the source of the ass. And so that you do that. Then he would got real big on this baby powder kit, right? And I don't know if hockey guys deal with chafing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, football like the chafing like goal bond, especially when we were doing like two a days, that's like a freaking goal bonds, a commodity, you know, like who's got the goal bond? And so always the trainers would have goal bond and then he became right and like you're dying your sweaty, your hot, you know, you're fighting, you know, giant men. And you're just trying to take a break. You're just trying to get some water and all of a sudden some guy just comes and rips your pants open and just shoes, shoes, shoes, baby powder. And like, you know, like Tom had a baby powder guy to come fucking loud. No, he did it. He did it. He did it. He would take it from the trainers and just like you're a son. Cool. And I read Tom do that to me. Also like, you know, I don't know what you guys, all your equipment's like, but like, oh, lime and wheat, right? A lot of times you got tape fingers. You got tape on your hands, thumbs, wrists, all this, you know, just shit on. And he'd be like, go change your towel. Well, and then football pants, right? Oh, lime and, you know, we got the Dunlap disease. Your belly's done, laughed over your belt. So, you know, you're trying to like get your sweaty belly and like take your pants off and get this towel, a new towel and shit on the towel. Yeah, you know, it's just like, geez, Louise, but, you know, I think like one thing I noticed about Tom was how detailed oriented he was. And it made you detail oriented if you want. And it just showed you like if this guy is at the top of his game, right? That was a guy that could probably just go roll it out there at the time. And he's out here. This is how detailed, like, well, I'm nobody. I got to figure something out. Where's my edge? How do I get that edge? And, you know, how important these little deep like ass sweat? Like who thinks of that? I haven't any watch, watch. If you watch anybody in the NFL, any centers, the only ones that do it are quarterbacks that played here or centers that played here. And it's a wild thing to me. I'm like, how is more people not caught up on this? Right. You know, they're well now. Hopefully. It's been like the biggest talked about thing I feel like of his career is his ass sweat. But, you know, and then I try to train myself not to sweat, you know, just sit in the sauna and just try to pinch my butt cheeks together, I guess. But now, it was, you know, it was, he was, that's just what he did. It was unbelievable. And I thought, I'm like, how did no one else think of this? You know, it's really not that big of a deal. And then for me, like I couldn't, I would go to walk through. So I was like, I got it, it was like my safety blanket, you know, like once you have it, I'm like, I got to have my, my, my towel, my ass towel. Yeah. I needed it. It was like, you know, a little kid with their stuffy, you know, and that's right. Yeah, yeah. Was Randy Moss there during part of your career? No. Randy, Randy, I know Randy pretty well, but Randy, me and Randy never played together. He was one of a kind though. And then he got in my apology because it would probably be hard to have these like, uh, these standout characters. Like you just mentioned because everyone kind of just fell in line. But who were some of the guys that brought a lot of life to the locker room? Dude, Grohnke was a character, right? Adults was nuts. Dude was, you know, nuts. Yeah, I just, I don't know. You know, like Devon McCordy was a ringleader in the locker room. And I think like people thought like, oh, we didn't have fun. We cut it loose. But when it was time to go, it was time to go. And it was time to put that shit aside and let's go. And I think like we, Bill used to, especially old training camps, he would give us a random two day all. When he gave us two day off, the old line was like, how quick can we go to Boston? And how quick can we be out at the bars? You know, it was like, that was just what we did. And you know, plane ride at home, like all that stuff, like we had so much fun, but I think we just did such a good job of like understanding, like the more we focus on this, the more fucking fun we are gonna have. And winning is a lot of fun. Like the parade's the best thing that I've ever done in my life. Like the parades are unreal, the ring ceremonies, and look, the end of the day I think people sometimes get mission-turbarded. Like winning's good for business. I get to do a lot of things because I won. Like why do people care about the fat center? You know, because I won. If I didn't win, no one cares, you know. Yeah. You know, you're asked was dry. Yeah, my ass was dry. So, you know, that to me, I think we just had guys that were able to put that stuff aside and be like, all right, we're gonna do this one, it's time for this, but then like, when we're starting to go, it's time to go. Business panel and Edelman's podcast, it's awesome. Is it games with names, Bill? He's got two, he's got dudes with dudes and games with names. Okay, so he's very entertaining and he was recently telling a story how he would just get in a fight at the beginning of practice on purpose to get kicked out. Like, we were there when he was doing that. Yeah, you know, I, I, I, I'll never forget toward the end of my career, when we were struggling and I got in a fight and Bill was like, get out of here. And I was like, I'm not leaving. I was like, I'm not going off a fucking field. Let's bullshit, Bill. Because I was, I, look, you try to fight and I assume it's the same in hockey. Like, some days, like, do you guys go out there and it's like, you know, you guys are in a rut and it's like, all right, we gotta fight. Like, we gotta get some juice going, you know, you can't do it in the games of football and it's also football fights are dummy of helmets. Like, you're just gonna hurt yourself. You punch someone in the helmet, like, it's fucking dumb. But sometimes you need that, like, you need juice. Like, him and he went at Steph, and he killed more very early. He went to Steph and it was kind of one of those things, like, hey, Steph, you know, like, you're a big signing. We wrote Steph a big check. Like, we need you. Like, this is what, you know, I'm coming at you. Wake up kind of. Yeah, like, I'm coming at you, you know, and this is what I'm gonna do. And so, you know, it was different things like that. Like, to me, like, if you're gonna fight, it didn't accomplish anything in football and it would become, some days, like, hey, if you fight in the game, you're just gonna hurt your team, you know, and you're gonna get a 15-yard penalty, you're gonna get kicked out, you know, we're very strict. Like, you punch in football, you're out, you touch an official, you're out. Like, there's just, you know, more rules. They don't, it's not part of our game. And so, in practice, that was be the big thing. Like, especially when you would get in these joint practices, and you couldn't even accomplish anything, because it was just a fight. You know, what's the point of doing it? But like, every now and then, like, you needed to get some juice at practice, like, training camp, especially against each other. I felt like fighting with each other was always good. Like, it just, bring people together sometimes, get the juices going, and look, you feel like, it's competitive, you're out there, but him going at staff was, that was a really good one. I thought it set the tone, but then, Julian, you know, we get late in the year, right? And it'd be Friday, Friday's in the NFL, like a feel-good day. You know, try to just get out there, like, tie a bow on the whole package, not contact anybody. And like, as all of us in this job, you're supposed to protect everyone, right? If someone gets in a fight, you better go do something about it. Well, then Julian would like fight the, like, you know, practice squad cornerback on like a Friday and week 13, and you're just like, because he, like, touched Julian the wrong way, and you're just like, oh, man. Here we go again, you know, it's like, can we just get through this practice? And, you know, we're all trying to get out of here. Friday's our early day, we get out there, like, two, three o'clock, so like, everyone's trying to get out of there, go see their family wives, whatever, you know, go to dinner, and, you know, and then Julian's just out there scrapped and with some, you know, 21-year-old kid trying to, you know, keep a job, you know, on practice squad. But, yeah, Jules was awesome. He's one of the best teammates he cared about, a lot of people. He made a lot of, you know, I think that's something that was cool coming into New England. A lot of these guys you looked up to, they made an effort to try to connect with you, and it made it easy to try to come in and feel like you're a part of the team. On the other side, Seattle gets it done, and it's funny, because you look for reasons to hate the team you're playing against, like, as a Pats fan, I'm like, fuck Seattle, we already crushed their dreams once. But I want your opinion on Sam Donald, because to me, it's a guy who's really hard to dislike. He goes to the Jets, and it's just the Jets, it's not him, but he's got the C and Ghost game, and he was kind of a laughing stock for a little bit. Goes to San Fran, then he goes, then goes whatever, Carolina San Fran, Minnesota, who he lights it up, they gas some. So it's a guy who's been through a lot. Like, is he as good as he looks right now? Like, this game looks like it'll be, you know, they're big time underdogs. The Pats are. You would have to think so. He's playing hard. He's got like a torn oblique, I think, you know, he's barely practicing. I don't know. I've seen a lot of these quarterbacks kind of like revamped their career, you know, Baker going, like goalies. Yeah, Baker going down to Tampa, you know, who else I'm trying to think? There's been a few more now. Gino Smith for a little bit, for a little bit, Bryce Young this year with the Panthers, you know, like, you've seen these quarterbacks kind of like, get out of Daniel Jones with the Colesos before you got hurt. Like, and I don't know, like, I want, you want to see people, I'm sure you guys feel the same way. Like you want to see people do well, right? When you're, especially when you're out of the game, like, you don't want to see a guy like struggle, like, I don't know, you, when they're not assholes, when, you know, these guys are good dudes. From what you know, you want to see them do well, you want everyone to see do well, make money, and have a career. But Sam, I mean, it's an unreal story. Minnesota's got to be kicking themselves right now. For like, this guy walk out of the building, I understand it because he draft this kid in the first round. You know, what do you, you know, got to shell out a bunch of money for, for Darrell, like, it's tough. And if I'm Sam, I'm like, well, you drafted this guy in the first round, I don't want to be there. You know, I'm going to go somewhere where I can have a, you know, another seven years and be a franchise quarterback. And so for him to go out there, Seattle's interesting. There had coach was actually a GA with me at Georgia. So I know him, you know, and he went to the Ravens was great with the Ravens running their defense. You know, it's fun. The NFL to me is funny. I don't know how this isn't hockey, but it was like a few years ago, it was like, you got to hire offense a young mind to coaches. And now you're seeing like, Brabels defense, obviously, Mike McDonald's defense, you know, you're seeing some of this like defense for surging, see in the NFL. It's going to be a tough game. Look, they've got obviously one of the best receivers, Jackson Smith, Perciaddle, dudes unreal, great running back. They lost their second running back, but you know, didn't see much of that last night. I mean, just unreal game. And then that defense is really good. Mike, like I said, Mike McDonald, there, there had coach, there's a great defensive minded coach. A lot of experience on that defense, a lot of really good players. It's kind of wild. I was hoping it was going to be the Rams, just for like the nostalgic of like the first dynasty started with the Rams, Tom Brady's second year, going up against Kurt Warner, AKA Matt Stafford, like the older quarterback, like just to beat the Rams and be like, all right, here's our second 20-year dynasty. Everyone gets our ass. That would have been kind of sick to me. But it's going to be a good game. It's to find the Super Bowl's nuts. It's a wild, wild time and you got two weeks, you know, to really prepare. And once you get out there, we always did a good job. I feel like if having the game plan kind of buttoned up while you were at home. Because when you get out there, it just becomes a lot more chaotic. But it's going to be an interesting game. I, you know, look, I think the Patriots are going to have to score for it. And obviously now you're not going to be dealing with cold and weather. But you saw what happened last night with that game. I mean, it's to shoot out. You're going to have to score some points. And hopefully you get Drey going in this offense going and the defense can continue to do what they do. And maybe it's not a shootout, but it's 24 or something, you know, 27 to something, you know, but I think you're gonna, I say that, but you know, who knows? I just don't think you're going to be able to skim out this game like 17 to 14 against this team right now, the way they're playing, they're explosive offensively. I mean, dude, almost through three touchdowns of 400 yards, not Rams, defense isn't a joke. So, you know, it's going to be a great game. It's, it's, it's, it look, I think to me, like a lot of people were talking this week with like Jared Stidham, you know, obviously coming in. There's not a lot of people on that Patriots team that've been to the AFC championship. And now a lot that have been to the Super Bowl. I mean, there's a few guys, but it's not like, it's the teams of the past of the Patriots walking back into a AFC championship Super Bowl. Yesterday, that was the biggest game of Drake Mace career. You know, and obviously this, everyone in these playoffs has been for Drake. He's never been in this position. So, you know, I think Mike's the, the one thing like Mike understands what's about to happen, you know, Vrables got an idea. He's playing a lot of these games as a player, which is such a unique perspective. So he's going to understand what this week's like these next two weeks. And, you know, hopefully have the team ready to go. How important is that that that two weeks of, or even when you get out to the Super Bowl of enjoying it, but also like, hey, we're here to win a Super Bowl, especially like you said, a lot of these guys, it's their first time in the Super Bowl. Yeah, it's hard. I look at my first Super Bowl and Houston versus the Falcons. I didn't enjoy it, you know, I didn't. I did, I was there. Where you, yeah, it was my, let me tell you, I had like 12 buddies and a wife. My wife was there and they had a, that was your first one. Yeah. Wow, the Atlanta, the Atlanta comeback. Yeah, the Atlanta comeback. So yeah, it was, you know, and then, and then it's, it's, you know, it's a lot like you're trying to figure out tickets for your family, you're trying to figure all this stuff out. Like it puts a lot on you and, you know, but there's just nothing like it. And I think for me, I enjoy, right? And it's sure same in hockey a little bit, right? You guys playing, you know, college, whatever, it's just you and the boys always. And then you get to the big leagues and it's like, well, I'm playing now, even though I'm 22 years old. Like I'm playing with dudes that are 31 and they have three kids at home. So it's not like, hey, practice is over. Let's all go hang out with the boys. Like, you know, guys are got family, especially in football when you're working to 536 o'clock at night. Like you're not going out with the boys every night. Like sure, you try to build that stuff in and build that rapport. But, you know, guys got families, they got wives to go home to and college is like, all right, where's Wing Night tonight? You know, like, where's the dollar beers? And it's just not like that. So any chance you get where it's just you guys, like the past gets stuck here last night, that to me is like a dream come true. Just you and the boys together, no distractions, like, you know, because you play at home, everyone's got families in town, right? Like your mom and dad, your aunt and uncle grandmothers and high school cultures and friends. Like, so game ends a lot of times. It's like, good to see you guys. And then you're like, all right, I got to go find my family and do all this stuff. And you miss out on some of that stuff sometimes. So like when you're on the road and you get stuck or whatever, like, it's just you and the boys for that time, those moments are priceless to me. So when you go out to the Super Bowl, your family usually doesn't get out there to like Thursday afternoon. So you're going to get like four or five days of just you and the boys. Okay. And like, I remember when we played it, we played in Atlanta, which I grew up in Atlanta in 2018 versus the Rams. Everyone's like, where do we go? What are we doing? So I had a buddy that owned a bar called him. I was like, hey, can you, you know, do you set up something for me? And they were hosting like a private party. It was like Monday night. We had Tuesday off. He's like, I'll put you out on our patio. So he set me up like we had like 20 dudes in there took all the guys to the Waffle House after, you know, like they'd never been to Waffle House. So we took them, I was like, we gotta drink some beers. You gotta go to Waffle House after. So we all go to Waffle House like that kind of stuff, you know, you really enjoy it and cherish it. And then when your family gets in, you know, then it kind of changes again, right? It's like, see in your family and guys with the kids and then Saturday is like a picture day, which is awesome to get like, you know, all these pictures with your family on the field, with your team and your uniform, you know, and then Saturday night, obviously you're trying to lock it. And but like, the thing that's the most wild to me, like, you know, obviously Tom Brady's jersey got stolen. Remember that in 16 where that was, I'm like, no shit that happened because it's chaos after. It's just, there's no rules. Like we live such a structured life during the season. Be here at this time, do this. Everyone's ushering us. The horns on the bus are honking, letting you know it's time to go. Like, and then after the super role, it's just like chaos. No rules, what are we doing? You know, I mean, I remember when we played the Falcons, smoking cigars, my buddies are smoking cigarettes inside of this convention center. I'm like, I guess there's no rules. We went into Minnesota after the game and lost obviously to the Eagles. So I'm pissed. I don't want to be there. All my buddies are there. They've been drummed for four days. And you know, we show up to the after party and I'm like, all right, let's go home. And they're like, no, like, you know, they're like, let's have some fun. Like it is what it is. And I was like, fuck that. Like I want to go home. So my buddy brings me, he's like, here, brings me two double jacking coaches, like drink those. He goes, you drink those and then we'll decide. And like I finished the first one, there was two more. And after those, I was like, screw it. Let's go. Like I can't change the game now, you know? And ended up having a great night with my friends of families and just hanging out. Then we ended up trying to take home a bunch of champagne and beer bottles and the bags exploded all over this party we were at, trying to leave. My wife was pissed. We just kind of ran. We didn't know what else to do. You know, like we're like 18 sneaking beers out of your parents' house. Like I just would just like, oh, run, I guess. Like, and then my wife, I'm like, yeah, my wife's just like dog cussing us and then we stayed up all night, you know? In the hotel room with my buddies, we had to leave the next morning. It's like things like that, you know, even though we lost, like I cherish those moments, you know, hanging out with those guys. And especially now with kids and everything. You don't get to do that stuff. Like you used to, you know? Yeah. But, you know, for this team, I think, you never know when it's gonna be over. Like you think, right, we're all sitting here right as Patriot fans with Drake May. Like we're gonna win another six Super Bowls. I sure hope so, but you don't know. You know, when we played the Rams in 18, I never thought that was gonna be the last Super Bow I ever played it, you know? And, and, you know, it was the, I played one more playoff game in the last, I guess what was that? Five years of my career, you know? And it just, it's fleeting, man. So, you don't know if you're gonna get this opportunity again. You damn sure better take advantage of it, you know? And so, I'm excited for him. I mean, it's a great, it's unbelievable. It's an amazing story. And you've got a great opportunity that will change your life. You know, Tom, Tom never really spoke to the team. People always thought like, oh, what are these pump-out speeches? Like, you know, every week, you never really give them, you know? But when we got into these games, the AFC Championship were, Super Bowl, he talked to the offense. And it was unbelievable here. And I'm talking about legacy and how important this was and the honor that you're gonna bestow on, you know? And it's, sometimes you think about it, it's like kind of cheesy. It's just a football game, but there's some truth to it. Like, what do you, what do you often tell you guys? Like, like, like, closely after the AFC Championship game just to kind of keep you guys on the rails? No, it'd be like right before, either the start of the week or right before we left to go out there. You usually did it at home. You did it, do it at the Super Bowl. You know, it was like the week, this week, they're about to deal with. Was there anything that you remembered in particular about that comeback when you guys went in for half and you guys were down, what you were down? Everyone thinks, right? Like, it's like the miracle on ice speech, you know? It was funny. I went down to UNC and there was not a big speech, but I go down to UNC and a lot of people always ask, like, what's Bill, like, and I tell him, like, he's actually kind of funny. Like, he's very dry, but he's funny. And it's awkward because you make a joke in the team meeting room and like, as an undrafted young player, I'm like, is that funny? Do I laugh at that? Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here. But I was talking to the guys about the game, his team, and, you know, it really wasn't about them. It was about us. And Bill goes, well, I remember what I said, he goes, he said, 21 points isn't going to be enough to beat us. And then he goes, he goes, they scored 28, and I thought, shit, that might be enough. You know, but at that halftime speech, there wasn't anything. I'll never, Josh came in and he wrote, you know, 44 plays, which is a lot and a half. You usually average around 50 to 60 plays of offense again. So he wrote 44 plays, whatever our time of possession is, make it count. I was like, hmm, you know, that's interesting. And when you look at that game, there's a lot of added like old sayings of football, right? Like sometimes you win games, but you're never in control of the game. Like the Patriots won yesterday. I don't know if the Patriots were really in control of that game. You know, Dibba was moving the ball. They, you know, made the plays when it counted, but they weren't in control of that game. And then there's games you lose, and you're in control of that game. And so it was one of those that we were in control of the game, but we were losing. You know, we had, look, the pick six, we were moving the football. That was on their side of the 50. That was points we gave up. We had a fumble, a garble, I had a fumble on like the 30 yard line. That was points we gave up. We were moving the ball. We just, we were screwing it up. And so, you know, there really wasn't this big speech. Julian was going nuts, right? You guys probably seen the Mike Uppclips. It's gonna be a hell of a story. You know, and he was going nuts, but there wasn't like this amazing, Disney moment speech. For us, I felt like, look, this is about us. It's not about them. We're the ones screwing this thing up. But I do love that game because there's so much that goes into it that people don't talk about. Like we kicked off the ball after scoring once. And the special teams tackled them deep, pinned them deep. And if they didn't do that, maybe the Patriot or the Falcons are in fill goal range. And, and, you know, it's, there was little things throughout the game where you never lost hope. But the one time, like the bill moment, whereas like they scored 28, Kool-Aid Jones had a foot injury. And we go in all week. I'm sure you guys would like, you guys deal with injury people. And they're like, hey, he's not gonna be able to do something because of the injury. So he had a hurt left foot. So the whole week, it was like, he's not gonna be able to cut off his left foot and go out to the boundary. And, you know, if he's on the right side of the field, he's got to be running in cuts. He's got to be going inside because he can't plant. I don't know if you guys remember the catch we caught on the sideline. And, saying, I'm believe one, where the online sit-in was right in front of us. And I'll never forget watching him run and plan off that left foot and put to that sideline and make that catch. And I was thinking, son of a bitch, that foot looked for confined to me right there, you know, and he makes this catch on the sideline. And that was like a moment for me where I was like, oh no, like this might be it. That might be the straw that broke us right there. But, you know, the defense came up huge. It was one of those games where all three phases at the end of the game had to come up huge. And I don't know, it always felt like to me and over time, Matthew Slater always called heads. It was a tradition. His dad did it. His dad played in the league for a long time. His dad's all a famer. He's dad always called heads. And he called heads a lot and he won a lot. And so when he did that and over time, it was like it was over, you know, it's same thing in Kansas City. Like when we got the ball, that's it. This game's over. Get the buses going, get the plane deice or going, we're going home. You know, I think we ended up running 99 plays that game. It's the most plays ever ran in a Super Bowl. Wow. Yeah, it was, it was exhausting. Your ass must have been fucking sweating my crazy. You must have gone through four towels. I didn't, I didn't go through that many that game. I don't think, like I said, I hated. That was my biggest pet peeve. I hated changing them because of the dumb lap, the disease and everything else, you know? So all the tape and everything else, it just mess with me. I hated changing so. But yeah, it was a, it was a unreal game. It, some days it's still like people love talking about it. I'm like, I mean, it just doesn't, I don't know. It doesn't feel that real, you know? Like, and I don't think it'll ever happen again, which is kind of really cool. But I mean, that's the thing. It just takes a lot of special people, you know? And those teams, the amount of special people we had from the coaching staff to the, to the, you know, the whole organization, right? And, and, you know, I'm sure you guys, when you guys have success, right? Like your trainers, all those people that do all the dirty work for y'all, you know, that for all of us to just go out there and, you know, everyone thinks we work so hard, but it's like, yeah, we work really hard, but like also the equipment guy that's washing all our shit. And when we get home at 5 a.m. from a road game and we get to go home for a few hours before we have to come back to work, he's staying at work doing fucking our laundry, you know? And so those, to get to share the success with all those people, to me is like what makes it unbelievable, you know? And then you throw in your friends and family and, you know, high school coaches and all these people that impacted your life, that's what makes it all worth it. That, yeah, that's a lot like hockey, to family. And, and I appreciate all this. My last thing for you is how did you meet Yance? Because I think there's something behind that. Like, I don't know how you guys became buddies. Sutterberry towel boy. Yeah, yeah. Are you doing one? Yeah, and Yance was a shoving towel then my, my drawers for me in the off season. No, so I, I, we ended up, needed a place to train in New England. And, and Brian McDonough had a gym and Foxboro. And look, I grew up, I didn't, I had thrashers, right? For, I felt like a cup of coffee in Atlanta. There's probably longer than that. But, as a kid, I didn't know anything about hockey. Nothing about it. The kids in Georgia that played hockey were all homeschooled because they played on these club teams. So then they were like weird because they played hockey and were homeschooled. You know, we're like, well, we're going to football and like we're all in school together and baseball, right? Baseball's king in the south. And, and so I come up here and some of the old Patriots guys are like, hey, meet Brian, this is his gym and all this stuff. And I was like, all right, cool. I start meeting these hockey guys. And, and no offense to you guys, right? But you guys don't look like physical imposing creep. Like you put like grok next to one of y'all. Like what you're really tall, dude. Base has the build, but we did a recent sandbag with Paige Sparantik. I think her first thing was like Whitney played hockey. He doesn't look like an athlete. I know, where's his ass? See, to me, like I would say like hockey guys look like, you know, like businessmen that like take really good care of themselves. Like you guys are in good shape. But so they had this little like PT area in the gym. So I was getting some work done and Yandle was in there getting work done. And I had no idea who Yandle was. And, you know, and he's brings up talking about Georgia football. I'm well, I love Georgia. So anyone does that. I'm ready to just talk. So we get to talk in and Yandle, I would say didn't do a lot of work in the gym some days and and talked a lot about playing golf. And doing different things. And, you know, I would work out with these hockey guys. And you guys are just, I'd watch you guys run and it would be the funniest shit to me. Like, but then we would do stuff, right? We'd like do like these balance drills. And you guys are like one leg of things. And I'm like struggling. And you guys are just like sitting there like we used to do these, which was fun for us. We'd sit on like both who balls, one leg in. Like you guys would give me a hockey stick. But also a short, I'd keep talking to Yandle. I had no idea who he was. Football, you know, we talk about Georgia football, Patriots, whatever. And I became close with a lot of the hockey guys, like the Hayes brothers and different things like that. You know, but I didn't think Yandle, I thought he, I didn't know anything about him. And, you know, I wasn't like plumber. Yeah, I just, I thought Yandle, honestly, like played college hockey with some of these guys. And did really well in business. And, you know, they just like kind of like wanted him around. Like he was always great. He was always chopping it up. Like they liked having him around, you know? And he kind of do some stuff and then he kind of did. And, you know, they would all be going to, I felt like they would always like work out and then go skate or skate and then work out, you know, at the rink and, because we trained at a hockey rink. And I just never saw Keith really doing that. So I just figured like he's just here, like hanging out, staying in shape, you know, and works some business job somewhere. And then the trainer Brian was like, you know, that is right? I'm like, yeah, it's Keith. Good to, he's like, yeah, but like you know, like who he is? And I was like, I mean, not really. Like we talked about Georgia football and then all of a sudden, he was like, he's the longest running Iron Man. And I was like, like Iron Man like competent, you know, like, that is not working. Like dress up every year. He's driving like, you know, or something. You're like the NHL is not a serious league. And, I mean, this is early in my career. It's like my second year. And, and he's like, no, he, he, he's like, well, he played the most games in the NHL consecutively. And I was like, that guy, this guy, like, I've seen him do like a couple sets of bench press and like a minute on the fan bike for a week. And, you know, it just became, we became close. And then, you know, I, I, Dandel the one thing he did to me, what year was that? You got your, all your ship busted up your teeth and all that. Think it was 2019. Yeah, he sent me this picture of him like laying in a dentist. And I think the teeth, the teeth for me, like, I've had a lot of broken bones, surgeries and stitches. Cool. The mouth stuff to me, this is what sets football and hockey apart that you guys think that's like a badge of honor. Like not wearing anything covering your face to me is, you guys need to talk to some people about that. But, you know, it just, he sent me that picture on like a random day. I'm like, I'm like puking, looking at it. I was like, dude, don't ever send me something like that again. But we always just stayed in touch with each other and all these, it was really fun for me getting to see all these hockey guys and become friends with them and learn about what the sport is and what it's like. Like, I thought, I thought you guys were like basketball players where like the starters played, you know, like you guys took breaks. But like, I thought like you guys played 90% of the game. Not like, oh, a minute shift is like a super long shift. That like blew my mind. I just got to learn a lot and be in with these guys. And then it became fun for me because, you know, you start making relationships, right? With like the Hayes brothers or Noah Hanuffin, Yeah, Endals, like all these different dudes. And then you kind of like get to keep up with their career when you didn't care, you know, like you didn't know anything about hockey and like now I'm like, oh, yeah. You know, Kees with the Flyers with Hayes. That's really cool. You know, it's just very cool to get a different perspective of the sport. And then being up here in New England now, like this is our home. You know, I got my son and learned to skate. Keith sent me some skates after our cinema video and he said he's like, your son cannot be in those skates, you know? And, you know, I took my son to a pond a few weeks ago and like he's skating on the pond with kids. Like, like to me, it's like, it's such a fun, you know, new thing for me. Like I hope my son, even though this is like, I know people that this sounds wild, like I hope it plays hockey because I won't know anything about it. And there'll be no pressure, you know, and to me, like, I think watching Bad Football, like watching like seven year olds, like if I'm not coaching and the coach tells them to do something I disagree with, like then I'll be the dad on Instagram, you know, like fighting a coach it little league versus like hockey. I'm like, yeah, buddy, good job. Yeah, I just turned it over. Like the wrestling father who pushed over the referee. Yeah, you know, so you got to bring forward to Witt's ring, Kevin some buzz around. Where's your ring, Witt? At my house. Oh, you got one at the house? Yeah. How old does he? How old is he? Four. When does he turn five? Uh, August. Okay. You got it. You got a, he's real big on his crate right now. He loves the crate. Actually, that leads me. I should have mentioned this. I should have mentioned this before, but it's rollback. Rollback last question. Use the code chicklets on rollback.com for 20% off your first purchase at the end of the week. CHIC LETS on RHO BACK.com, 20% off pants, joggers, hoodies and more. But this kid's going to be a tank. Your attack according to the internet when you played, you were six to still six to 300 pounds. What are you weighin in now? Because your wife must have loved the fact I got it. He's going to be losing a couple of LBs here with retirement. Hey, I always said women like to party with a full keg, nine to six pack, right? You know, but no, yeah, that's, I've really enjoyed. I do. I gave away a lot of clothes like my suits now. And you know, I had to get custom suits made when you're that big. You can't just kind of go buy stuff. But now I look like I just bought all my suits. I got to get those all retailered with, uh, gonna be in. I ate really, I'm a fake 300 pounds. You know, I was eating. It was disgusting. I wasn't eating like bad, but like the, the quantity of food I was eating, you know, just to put on. You have to all day, right? Yeah, it just, it was a lot. And I always told my wife, like I was like, I feel bad for you because you have to eat, like an offensive lineman, you know, it's like, and that was like the thing lunch for us was always a struggle, right? Especially in the off season when I was home more. And it's like, what do you want for lunch? It's like, oh, like a salad or maybe like a cup of soup in a salad. I'm like, well, like I need to rib eye a baked Tata, maybe some shrimp, you know, some asparagus, how many calories we talking? I would probably try to eat north of 5,000 a day every day. Wow. Wow. It was like, you know, it was a lot. And then, and then when you get to that, you drink in 2500 of calories. Yeah. When you get that much, you're, you just can't, like you're having to do different things whether it's like protein shakes, you're having to drink a lot of calories. Yeah, you throw it away a lot of towels. Throwing away a lot of towels, yeah, it's messy. You know, and so, but I've enjoyed, you know, losing a lot of weight, gotten to, I'll never forget, I played golf with the Andalus summer on their tuck-in. And it didn't hit me. We were going to tee off on the back nine. We played super early. It didn't hit me out. It was like, you know, my first training camp, a lot of people are like, how are you going to be without football? You know, I was worried. Like it's, I played it since I was six years old. It's been a part, such a part of my life. And I was sitting there teeing off with the Andals on the back nine at my common. I was like, and I looked down at my phone, it was like 830 and I was like, dude, they're walking into a team meeting right now. And I'm sitting on a nan tuck-in. Like, things are all right. You know, life's okay right now. So, you know. And you're not clogging the toilet, fucking. You must have been shitin' logs. I would, so I would, my, my shit routine was, first thing in the morning, I was like, morning about 540 when I got up, poop, facility, poop. Then you would have to like, then it got dicey because of, you know, you're drinking a lot of coffee. And we'd always have a team meeting at eight. So you always plan in this weird window, right? And the team meeting with Bill, like they're supposed to be 15 minutes. It was an hour. And a lot of times it changed our whole day. You know, the coaches would be pissed because Bill's got to be. Just a spring to the stall after that one. After or you're trying to play the game before where you're doing stuff, right? So there's treatment, a lift, breaking down film, mean with the whole line. So you're trying to do this like, give as much as you can't done. But you gotta leave yourself some, you know, some time, right? And then you know at the facility, you guys, you got the one-ply toilet paper. So your clean knock situation, you know, you gotta, you gotta pay. Or towels, shower. Or towels, shower. I hit some post-shrower ones at the facility, you know, sometimes. But no, I mean, it's been, it's been great. I've lost like 40 pounds. Oh, you know, a lot of it was, I do, I mean, I saw you a lot this summer playing golf, got into that. That's kind of been my retirement thing. Buddy, you are not just playing golf. Like that is the bug biting someone maybe as much as I've ever seen. It's like, I remember just, I was the exact same way. It's like, I got nothing else to do. And then you, you hit that one good shot and you're like, what the fuck was that? Oh my gosh. It's the most addictive thing. And I do have like an addictive personality with like, you know, you get into it right and I was like, I'm not gonna buy new clubs. I'm not. Then you're just like, oh my gosh, I gotta get like, I hit a bad shot. I got it. Maybe it's my club. I've changed grips, grips, shafts, which by the way, I was a little upset. Shoes. X to me. I think I was the seventh alternate for a sandbagger thing. I was just going to throw this out there considering you and Tom are that close. Tom said that he would do one. He said nine holes, but we could get him in the 18. New Tom, who else who would be the third that you trust? Edel nut. Edel nut we get Brian Hoyer from my podcast. Yes. You know, we could, we make Tom and Yanns take us to Old Sandwich. I don't think they've told me, although they've said there's no chance if I'm like, hey, I think TB 12's actually a member there. He is. He's on the membership book. So he is. He's a member. And I, because you would ask me to go play over the summer and couldn't make a work and win with another guy and Tom's like, caddy there who also goes down to like, seminal and caddy school. That's my guy. Bone. Dude, he's awesome. He's the best. So we send like a picture to Tom and I was like, hey, man, since you're not up here much, you want me to take over this membership for you? You know, can you, that work? He transformed, you know, I'll, I'll make good use of it for you. But yeah, you know, I'd like to see. The Tom, you know, playing golf, wash a clip the other day and you see get some lessons, swings looking a little Jake. Hey, hey, you might be on his team. Look at this. If they are team, they're already kind of battling back and forth. We play people and they end up arguing and us three just come on on top. It's incredible how it works. The best. I got to say from my fly back, uh, didn't you guys do, uh, what's his name? The, uh, Bob does sports guy. The crazy guy. Dude, dude, didn't you guys do him a while ago? Yeah, he did. He's gone. I haven't been able to why I got, I got that would save for my flight home. But I just put us in a mental pretzel. I texted the ends after the page one. You guys chirping those guys was unbelievable. On all the, the guys, the morning fighters, just getting their grease on. Oh, how about this story? I, when I was in London, I'm at the Boston bar watching the game. I look over and I see a dude wearing a David Andrews jersey. I'm like, I'm like, this dude must have got this sent to whatever, like, no offense, no one usually has the fucking old line jersey. Don't go over to the guy. I'm like, are you a David Andrews fan? He was like, yeah, I love him. I bought this jersey in Foxboro. The great guy that DA is, I FaceTime DA give the guy the, the guy was crying afterwards. Cry like, couldn't have been more happy. He's like, you just made my life, man. That was the best thing ever. So I want to say thank you for that guy. That's good. Answer in the phone at two in the morning. It's awesome. Like that is one thing like playing in New England. It's such an amazing sports city from all four sports. Or, you know, it is cool to see like that support. Like I saw a guy in Denver with my jersey on at the game yesterday. Like that's just really, it's cool, you know, and they care. And it's an amazing place to play professional sports, I think. Well, DA, this was fucking awesome. Long overdue. Congrats on everything. Dude, I see you all over sports radio. You got your podcast. The sandbag will happen in the future. And we appreciate it. Congrats on all your success. I know retirement can be tough, but you're certainly crushed. And we're not going to let you off the hook either prediction for the Super Bowl. Oh, man. That's tough. You know, the media stuff's been hard for me because I like, I've such a fandom of the Patriots, you know, and like such a, that's sometimes it. But we did the NBC. We do a podcast with NBC. They pulled up me at the beat like third game of the year going through. And I pick every game but one right like win a loss, not score obviously win a lot. Cause you just, you get this feeling and you think something's going to be special, but that was just a little bit of a lot to team help me out. But, um, man, this one's tough because I just, offensively, they just haven't looked great in three weeks. And that makes me very, very nervous. Uh, and I know they played tough defense, but Seattle's a great defense. Um, so I have to say I've stuck with it all year. I'll go, I'm going to go pass 30, 24 hell. Yeah. Good damn. I gotta ride. I got to ride with them. They, you know, they haven't let me down yet. And I follow those jerseys be getting chucked in the trash if you just pick Seattle 30. Exactly. You know, 24. So, you know, I do think this is going to be their hardest game of the year. It's going to be tough. Um, you know, it, I just, I hope the offense can settle down a little bit and get back to where they were, you know, throughout the year because the last few weeks have been rough. And it just, you know, there's been glances of it. Yesterday is a different thing with the weather, but there's been glances of it, but you've had the turnovers and all this stuff. That stuff, you can't, you can't live like that. It'll beat you eventually. So, uh, but I think the patch can do that. I have so much face in the coaching staff. They've done such an amazing job this year. So I got to ride with them, man. Got to ride with them. David Andrews. Thank you very much. Um, we'll talk soon. Thanks, fellas. 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It's the caffeine zero sugar body armor flash IV. It's hydration with a caffeine boost and zero sugar. I know granalities been hammering this ball. 95 milligrams. Wait 95 milligrams of caffeine. That is a ton of caffeine. It's got zinc vitamins B and C 2,290 milligrams of electrolytes. I drink one of these bad boys every morning. It's just like my morning. Oh, Jay, you can keep them around for long days and early mornings. Forget coffee. Have a body armor flash IV caffeine zero sugar work hard and hydrate hard with body armor flash IV. Grab it at a 7 11 right now. Thank you so much to David Andrews. Awesome interview. Great catching up with him and here in some true ball knowing knowledge. And and we were also we were at coast to coast Thursday. It's time for some hockey talk boys plenty of hockey to talk about. Yeah. I mean, we can get it. We can get into it right now. First off, I do want to say I'm very excited to be at Penn State this weekend, right? We're heading out there Thursday. We're all going to meet up. We're going to do another in person pod together for Friday. We're going to get a bunch of interviews and then we'll go to the Friday night game that's in Pagula, Icerina Saturday afternoon is that I believe it's it beaver stadium. A white out in front of 60,000. Now, I don't know if snow's going to hit there. Wouldn't be a bad place to get snowed in at. Not going to not going to lie. But I'm very excited to see even their ring too because they've been on fire. I think they just went into Wisconsin and swept the badgers who have been a very, very good team in college this year. So good times. We'll see. Have them. I kind of put up his first hat trick. Hello, CIA this past week. That was one play knocked it out of the thingy knocked a clearing attempt out of mid air. Ended up scoring just. Yeah. He's really turned it on. I think a lot of times you go to world juniors and you just feel good about yourself coming back, right? You get maybe you gain a little confidence. You're not playing against 23 24 year old men during that tournament. I know it didn't go as Canada hoped. But they still were able to get a government kind of back at Penn State who looks like a different player. So we'll see that. And his line mates back too. Remember the coach when we interviewed the coach, Kabooshu, his line mate had been out of forget his name. It's a thing for him. He's a place for Nashville or he's a national traffic. Yeah, he had like a messed up thumb. So he's got his line mate back. You're going to see more, you know, more skill playing with him too. So I'm sure that feels good for him to, you know, get back to where he was in the beginning of the year. Yeah. And gee, I believe you took a little heat online saw a retweet of your tweet that was semi viral in which you said, uh, this should be the spot where the penguins play the capitals with a, you know, a video of how the ring looks at beaver stadium. And immediately, you know, people were like, gee, it's in Pennsylvania. You, you think it'd be Pittsburgh. Don't give a shit. I think cross, cross, we know, Vetschkin has been the best rivalry in hockey for the past 20 years. They saved the game of hockey. Like what they've done for the game of hockey has been incredible. Give them, it's, it's, it's, let's call spade of spade. It's a Vetschkins last year. Like we all know it's a Vetschkins last year. Ah, is it? Given the outdoor game, given the outdoor game at Penn Stadium, I want to white out with everyone screaming for Oh, that should do it in Moscow. If it's for him, do it in Moscow, outdoor game in Moscow for OV. A couple of years ago at, at giant stadium, they did two outdoor games. They had the, it was the Rangers, the Devils, the Islanders, they all got to play. So do another game with the flyers. Let the flyers go play the Rangers and do two games at Biver Stadium. But it needs to be crossby. It needs to be OVetschkin and it needs to be outdoors. And, and yeah, I mean, I think it needs to be Michkov with the Philly fans, give Michkov ice time, give him an outdoor game, give him everything he needs. And, and if you think otherwise, you're scumbag, dirtbag idiot. But can't wait to get out there. Can't wait to get out there. Thursday night boys, we were on coast to coast. It began with a bang. Andy Petrilo, she called me Ray Whitney. Very funny, very funny video based on the fact that second that she said, Ray Keith was doing windmill pumps and celebrations. Like he just scored an overtime winner in the Stanley Cup final. Biz was laughing. And I was the butt of joke once again. Now I'll say, I don't mind being called Ray Whitney, Ray Whitney, who then called in a cabin call to our show, one of the funniest guys of all time, an incredible hockey player over a thousand points Stanley Cup chair. So you want to call me Ray, I'll take it. But Andy thought she's going to get to redo the intro. She's like, okay, let's start of it. No, no, no, no, that's not how Chikolts works. Well, I wouldn't have time because we shrunk 15 minutes, pouring on. Cassie Campbell texted me. She was like, it was so much better that it was live. I'm like, it wasn't live. We just made them make that the one take that we did. Yeah, TV people are like, wait, wait, wait, that's gotta be live. You always redo it. No, we don't redo things here. We fuck up so constantly and so often. If we were redoing things, we'd be on episode seven. Take that's taking again. Yeah, we'd still be doing it. Yeah, no, no shit. That was a blast. But I love doing those coast to coast. It's so laid back, you know, full night of hockey. We had some pretty good games, probably the Buffalo Montreal, the most meaningful, I would say. And then it's funny because I ended up seeing Wizard a couple days later. I ended up going to the bear Jackson because my buddy Tim Kwak sister sells a bunch of cars there. I think he sold like 55, 60 cars. And it's just growing every year. It's kind of like the golf tournament, the open. Yeah. Every year you go, it seems a little bit more energetic. They got these crazy cars. I think Chevrolet had this one of one that they made. And they did it actually for all the first responders for 9-11. And I want to say the car went for just under $3 million and you get to go to the whole Chevy experience. They bring you there. You get to ride it around their track. So that was pretty cool. Obviously, always a blast hanging out with Wiz. He looks great, man. He looks younger than when we play with him with the tan that he's got and all the golf that he's doing. And then this is this is a crazy one, boys. So Francesco Acalini is there. He's always there buying cars every year. So I bump into him again. He pulls me aside. He goes, hey, he goes, we're going to go full rebuild for the first time. I go, no fucking way. You're doing it. You're really pulling the trigger. He goes, there's only one way I'm doing it though. Is if you're the guy behind the wheel. And I said, Francesco, I got off for the gig. I got off for the gig. And I'm like, a president. I know. And I'm like, I don't know if I'm ready to leave the podcast. He said, you could still do the pod. Okay. I said, we will have real insider information with the connox, but he doesn't, he doesn't fish for it though. What do you mean? No, you always say that. I know. I know you always say it comes. It just comes down. I don't fish for the stuff. It just comes downstream. It's right. Six year drum. It's like six Irish travelers. It just shows up unexpected. And I said, I'm an ambassador for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And he's like, that is one thing that's going to be a problem. And I said, I don't think I can do it. I don't think I can do it. Although we got our head coach with 50 zippers in his head, we got our second best player flipping off the cameras. We got fucking Mitchie Mariner coming back to town. We got all the drum in the world. And maybe that would make me want to leave. But I can't do it. Then he buys a $1.5 million Ferrari and tries to proposition me with it. And I said, I can't be bought. I can't be bought. Maybe other companies can, but you can't. That thing would fit in the bed of your monster energy truck. That's. That's true. I could talk. I could tell it around. Tell that thing around. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. So I left it at I'm honored. But I can't accept. So that's where it's been left off. So I don't know right now if Vancouver is going to go through with the rebolt because he told me the only guy behind the wheel that was going to happen. If it happened, it was going to be me. So that's where we left things off. But it was great seeing him. He looked great. Do you think that meant that for you to come in and really tank this team? Or in the lineup, you mean? I think it meant whatever I can do to tank it, hopefully get Gavin McKenna, which I know that he spends a ton of time in BC, especially in the summer. So I probably will be training him in the summer. Like I did Bidard to change his turn his career around. But as of right now, I just I just I can't do it. And I don't know if now that he's going to commit to a fee full rebuild. So all the people, all my friends in Vancouver, all my my friends at the Arbutus Club, I hate to let you down at least as of right now. But my bond is still too strong with the Toronto Maple Leaf. So that's where I'm going to leave things. And I'm sorry to Francesco for for telling the story publicly. But I just I felt that I had to. So I want to get into the leaves in a little bit because I want to go over a couple things coast to coast. But you brought up Acollini and him offering you the gig. I saw some tweets and I don't know if these are legit. It was talking about Keaton Verhoff, the defenseman who's a top prospect for this draft at North Dakota. I think he's got like 17 or 18 points already, which would be the most points. Basically his point per game pace is the best in 50 years for draft eligible defenseman in NCAA. And that Vancouver has had many meetings talking about him, right? He's a Western Canadian boy. If they don't get first or even if they get first, maybe he's their man. So the fact that maybe these tweets aren't real. Maybe it was a fake account. But Vancouver is very open and willing. And if you watch the team play, it's obvious. They are going to be a lottery team. Will they get their first ever? I think it'd be their first first overall pick ever. Is that correct? Yeah, they've never had a first overall pick. So they had a second and third overall pick. That was the sitings. Yeah, they had second and then Burke made that trade to get the third to get both of them. But Vancouver, yeah, far and away, the worst team in the league. It's going to be a long road. Pasha said they wouldn't do a full rebuild, but buying a new Ferrari biz heard otherwise. So very kind of interesting storyline to keep your eye on. If I did take the gig, I would hire Pasha as an analytic guy. He's local. He'll be cheap. But he'll try to ruin you. He hates the connox. Yeah, but not if he's under the payroll. No, no. Any a strong Tizer now that he's dating his girl from there. So I think things are. He was at the game the other night scouting. Mind you, it was New Jersey playing. I believe that they pulled off the 544 victory. Cody Glass continued. He's guys unreal. He's having a. I'm happy for the kid, man. He's such a good kid. We interviewed him on T and T at one point. I think he was with Pittsburgh when that went down. He's a good team. Yeah, it's just nice to see him finding a great landing spot. And he's he's getting it done. I think he's got. I want to say he's got like seven goals over his last nine games or at least that was after the the New Jersey one. But he said, Biz, okay, I understand that you're going to stay loyal to the Leafs. But what would be the one move you'd make? And I'd say I'd go all in on Michkov. They took the Rick talk it from us. Then I'm going to take Michkov back. That would be the cornerstone move that I make to get this organization back to where it needs to be. And that's just my two cents. And I'm not going to charge you for a refort. Well, we got we got Fridays actually get to get Saturdays action and God damn with the Edmund Thoreau. There's fun Saturday. But back to Thursday, quick, a couple things that stood out to me. Steven sits stamp coast. A hat trick. He had a four goal game earlier. He gets a hat trick. The Preds continue to kind of stay in the mix somehow. He actually passed Marcel Dionne for most power play goals all time. I think now he sits at ninth. And now he's tied or actually eight. He's tied with Mario Lemieux because he got another one this weekend. And we were lucky enough to have him on a cabin called kind of wild to think about the career that he's actually had with all the expectations. First overall, the Stanley cups, the goals. And then the fact that he gets the Nashville last year's a disaster. And he talked about this year was like, oh my God, this is happening again. He's got 26 goals now. So the fact like that Pasha said, remember, I don't want him. On the New Jersey devil. That's all you need to know. All you people who hate him out there. The guy's team stinks. And he doesn't want Steven stamp coast who's tied with Mario Lemieux for all time power play goals as the Predators have just shot up the rankings or the, you know, the standings. So that was pretty cool. Werencki scored in a one nothing victory for Columbus who keeps shugging along. What was that? His 19th goal, I believe. His 19th one above checker now or maybe they're both tied at 19. And just to go back to a stammer and Nashville and how they're pouring it on all of the sudden, they've seen the figure things out. Ryle Riley. He just hit the 50 point mark very quietly getting it done. So you got to imagine that now all the sudden are they like, hey, maybe we got something here. Maybe we stick with these guys. I think you're shaking your head right now with it. I think that especially with his value being so high, if he's willing, like keep in mind, this is the guy who already want a Stanley cup. He got his cons might these, I think he won the selky as well that year. Maybe he doesn't want to go anywhere. He had the experiment in Toronto. It seemed like he was turned off by going into that type of media market. I mean, you could call it a clown shulk. Like, I won't even deny it at this point. Like this. Well, this whole week was amazing. We have true, we truly getting on the mega mix with the clown noise. And then also evangelista. 37 points in 50 games with 30 apples. So they got some things going in the right direction there. And I still don't see them squeaking in. I think they're dead to rights based on how horrendous the start was. Yanns, what do you think? I don't know, man. I think it's just hard to cone out guys like that. When you got guys like Stam or you got guys, you know, even the Brady Shays of the world, the O'Reilly's, like those guys know what it takes to win. They know how to, you know, get guys into the fight. They're going to get some rest because, you know, like we've talked about, they're not the youngest group, but they're going to get rest over break. So I wouldn't count them out just yet. I like the way that they're playing. They're playing, it looks like they're playing for each other. They're playing hard. Stammer's leading them. And I think any time a guy like that is leading you at the age that he is. It's hard to have passengers. And he'll get guys to, you know, up their game a little bit more. And I could see them making a run. So, hey, but the good news is we're talking about Nashville, where probably two, three weeks ago we weren't. They are 52 points. They're three points out of a playoff spot in San Jose's in that current last wild card. And San Jose also has a game in hand. The good news is that they're chasing a few teams with an experience. Kind of like you just said, you guys who have done it, the March of So, the Stamco, the stuff like that. Utah, who's been playing great as of late. They're in that first wild card with 58 points. But San Jose, unexperienced Seattle. I would consider them to be an overall and experienced group. You think that's a great scene that beat the devil's on Sunday. That was awesome. It was. And then Chicago is right there below them at 50 points. So on big opportunity, I'm a little surprised by LA. I thought that they would be, they got some questions. They got some, they got some question marks around them. So, uh, it's been catching a lot of heat from the King's fans. Yeah, fuck off. And that's how it works. Right? You no matter how good you are for no matter how many years when the game turns a little bit, it's been a rough go for him. I think at times they still kind of like, you know, question the contract. He makes a lot of money still. And it's just, it's been a weird season for LA. Well, let's dive into that. I want to say what one point over his last 15 games. You're talking about Drew Doudy. Now you root for a team where a defenseman, I want to say was snubbed. It wasn't the best of start for Evan Bouchard. But if you look at this last 15 game stretch and where Evan Bouchard has played and where Doudy has and listen, I'm the biggest Doudy Glaser on the planet, dude. My fuck every time we talk about the guy got Carpet Tunnel from the fucking Circle Jerk, we give him. We just had him on the podcast. But I think it's obvious at this point, it should be Bouchard as opposed to him just to where the plays at. I'm going to go with what Mick David said after the game on Saturday night in which EmBouchard had three goals, three assists. He factored into all six goals. He's one of four defensemen to ever do that. Bobby Orr, Paul Coffey, and Al McGuinness. Conor Mick David after the game. And it's funny because on Thursday night when they got completely worked by the penguins. They played the devils the night after the devils played Calgary. Then they played Pittsburgh after Pittsburgh played the Calgary. They got drummed. They gave up three goals and 30 seconds to start the game. And then Mick David in that game got a pass from Bouchard. He didn't like it at all. As soon as he beat it, it wasn't a good dish and he was giving it to him. At least from what we saw. Well, after the game Saturday, Mick David said when he is playing at the top of his game, which he has now for I think 35 games, roughly, you know, he's been incredible. He is one of the best players in the world, not defensemen players. And you're seeing right now and you're finally seeing the oilers. No, not finally because oilers fans, it's a love hate, a small percentage of hate. But there are times we've talked about Picardi Bouch and it's like holy shit. But the good Bouch, the playoff Bouch, the Bouch we've seen the last two months. We love them both, by the way. He is. Yeah. He's incredible. He is absolutely incredible. He's on pace to have the most points he's ever had in his career. I believe he's now tied for the lead league and scoring by defense with McCarran. I think we're enski and he's just so cool out there. I forget the defense. I think it was echo him saying like he can go down and score one of the nicest goals you've ever seen or he could pull a bush and come from behind his own net and pass it directly to the other team for a giveaway all time pizza goal and you get to the bench and you have no clue what just happened. You don't know if he did something amazing and you don't know if he did something horrific Bouch style. But that is a hell of a way to play hockey. And then Bouch says like it's just I never I try to never get too high. I try never get too low. And this is why in the playoffs, when everyone's nerves get ramped up and the intensity is different. And he just is like oh, I got a game tonight. We're told drag this guy to blue line and shoot one hundred and 14 hours an hour bar down. That guy is somebody that I think you could be jealous of in terms of being a player who maybe gets too excited when they have a stretch of games that they're playing great and then gets really down on themselves when it's a stretch of games when it's ugly and he's just like ah, I got another game. And if I make a mistake, I'll next shift them. I'm going to try to make that same play and hopefully it works. So with the intensity of Leon and Connor and also a classic clip came out. I don't think we brought it up Thursday. Did you see the lines been going up to make David earlier this year like asking what he can do with with Leon? Did you see this clip is because you're saying because Leon likes to give it to the linesman and the controls. Well, he kicked Leon out of the draw. I saw the I saw him killed over the bench given it to the liney in the one clip. Yeah. And the lines and like goes up to Connor and he's like, hey, what can I do to like maybe help out this relationship or and and Rick David says, I don't know. Because then they had been in a beef the way the conversation goes. He's like, yeah, you and I figured it out. It was a tough start. But the refs like we're doing good now me and you almost like please tell me we're doing good. And he's like, yeah, we're good now. And then he's like, what about Leon? And he's like, I think, you know, that's just kind of how he is. Like basically like he's going to hate you. He's like, he's German. As a center, like you kind of like going to be buddy buddies with those lined in rights. I get kind of the little bit of an in an event. Yeah, like boy Gordon was. Yeah, boy Gordon complete lunatic crazy person like insane human being. But like he would be so nice to the lines. But because he'd be like, hey, I get to move my foot a little bit closer. He's not going to kick me out. And then he'll come to the bench and yell at you. It is on team. Now I would say that Gordo. There were some times he was coming off the ice though. And he was shaking his head and mother fucking you the lines. Oh, yeah. So, but the problem was though is as we were in San Jose division, Joe Thornton, like he would he would already have his stick just ready to go. The ref would basically just throw it on his side. Like in practice. Yeah, like in practice. Like it's like, okay, automatic ozone win. We're practicing the power play. So here's the face off. Like sometimes you'd be going against the guys who had so much respect. And they were legends where they could do whatever they could bag tap you before the draw. And they weren't getting kicked out. So as far as that Leon clip and his, you know, his relationships with the officials. I think when you're that handsome and that good, I think he kind of just get away with everything. So if you're the lines, we just shut the fuck up and take it, I guess. And Leon also, he mentioned when he returned home from Germany for personal reasons, just that, you know, things put, you know, life into perspective a lot. So I hope everything's all right with him and his family. Obviously, if he's saying something like that, you know, he's going through something. So, you know, any player you're thinking about him in terms of that. But back to Bush, not block was, not block was asked after the game, the six point game. You know, he kind of had like a rough start, right? And, and not bugs. I think you're being very nice, just calling it like kind of a rough start. That's how bad it was. But he's back. The oil is unfortunately like they, I don't know what it is. Them in the blues, the only teams not to have three, three game winning streak this season. Like it's just weird to me. But, Mick David is at a different level. Mick David, what he's doing right now, he's got 31 points in his last 11 games. He has five points that night. It's just wild. And I saw a different tweet. So I went to the records of, you know, find this here of the points leaders in the history of the NHL. Okay. Mick David right now sits 57th all time. He's got 1172 points. All right. He just passed Bobby Hall. He's about to pass Sergei Fatterov. Then Rod Brindamore, then Patrick Marlow. And then the list goes on and on. Right? Well, I'm going to start, say with Brindamore. He had at 1184 points in 1484 games. Fatterov's right beneath him. I won't even read the points. I'll read the games. 1248 games. Then you got Mick David. He's played 765 games. Doesn't Marlow have like 1500 games? Yeah. Marlow played over 1500. Yeah. Marlow ended up finishing with 1,779 games. That's regular. That's really shit. But the Mick David aspect of the points and climbing these stats and these rankings with legend upon legend, the amount of games these points, I don't think people, I think people are becoming like a custom to what he's doing. Yeah. Well, here's the one. I don't want you to. I don't want you to. Here's one for you. I believe that he now has. It might be 9 or 11 consecutive 90 point season, which has passed the amount of 90 point seasons that Crosby has had in his career. So we're on here, given said the double rister and rightfully so unreal two way hockey to Stanley cops, all the accolades carry the league for the first 15 years. He was in it till you have to patch off the torch to the new wave, which he still is though. He hasn't passed the torch. He's still holding it. Okay. No doubt. He's still holding it. I'm just saying for the guys, like the McDavid and that type of stature, the Macars, the McKinnons who are on this like even different level, but 11, you know, 11 consecutive now, or sorry, uh, car McDavid now is more consecutive 90 point seasons. It's 10. I was fucking right in the middle. Uh, then Sidney Crosby has total 90 point seasons across his 21 year NHL career. So that to me is a is a fascinating stat. And like you said, with that we've become a custom to just be familiar with. Let's keep the only other guy to do it. And and actually I'm going to look up here because I don't know what is your guys guesses for how many years in a row. Let's get had over 90 points. How many years did it play? Do you know that? Is I know I'm just guessing. I'd say however many years he played every year. Five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen thirteen. So oh 90 yeah, because 92 93 only played 45 games. In those 45 games he had 65 points. So hey listen, McDavid, he's gonna be break that record. Yeah. Well, anytime you can break a, a, a gritsky record. That's fucking insane. But yeah, what I agree with you, we shouldn't get complacent on how good this guy is. He should be talked about every single podcast by every single podcast or like what he does and how he makes it look and what he does for his teammates. He is so fucking good. And I mean what's he in year 11? Ten. Yeah, I I don't even know. I think he's probably done that the 90 points since he stepped into the league. Right. So 11 here. There you go. Ten season. No, but the first year he got hurt. He got hurt. His rookie year. He didn't hit the 90 pointer. No, he hit 48 points at 45 games. And then he got the shoulder. Trade him. Bum. Trade him. Um, yeah, I just, uh, yeah, it's a long way to go though. They really do. Yeah, they're golden and back to oilers. Golden. Oh, that's got to make you sick. Seeing what skinners do in Pittsburgh now. He's got a lot of stuff about this Thursday. It's incredible. It's, it's bizarre. It's just like, and then Jari's let in in the Pittsburgh game where they got completely worked, but hey, we want Saturday. So it's like Bush. Yeah. Winter lose. You're on to the next one. You're on to the next shift. You're on to the next toe drag. You're on the next goal. You're on the next pizza. It doesn't matter. But it is. It was pretty sick to see what he did against Washington. Washington also, that's kind of, they got a weird season going on. They're not loving life right now. And they started slow and then got it going. I was like, all right, here they come. And it's just been inconsistent from the capitals all year. But another team that I want to talk about is the Detroit Red Wings. And this became a conversation for us. I think it was after the show or before the show on the way to studio. No, it was, I think it was after the coast of coast. And you were like, man, I wish we were able to record after these. Because like the hockey combo is top of mind, all those games are. And then we could record that night and then boom Friday morning. We could discuss everything. And it got it went back to the conversation of last year, after the season, Larkin was basically asked about how he thought things went. And I think he just, he was a little frustrated that they didn't add at the deadline. Right. And they were hoping for a little boost just to get him over the edge to get all these younger players. And of course, Dylan Larkin, who I believe hasn't been in the NHL playoffs since his first year, maybe first or second year. And and rightfully so because I feel like he's been brunting a lot of the, a lot of the weight of what they've been doing over it, especially the last four or five years. He's automatic 30 goal guy playing all situations. I don't have a great four nations last year. And he's thinking, fuck, man, I'm hungry for some competitive hockey. And I think that that Stevie Y did a great job of deescalating and just being like, no, you know, I can understand his frustration. He's been waiting a long time, but we have a plan here and we're not just going to trade assets for rentals. And it made you be like, but what about this year? What do you make of this year? Everything they've done, the position that they're in, are they going to make a move to better this roster to take a run at the east and throw it over to you with they have to. And this is, this is, I think what Stevie has, iserman had in mind, although I'll say I still think if you were to ask him truthfully, like we're not quite there yet. Like I don't think this is when it's like, all right, all in prospects. The thing is though, they have all their picks, like the next few years, they have tons of prospects, including two big time goalie prospects. So that's somewhere all the sun, we can dangle our trade. One of these guys, we still got another, whether it's Augustine or Poso, whatever his name is. Who's lighting up the AHL. So now they do have a ton available. Do you think it's time that we can win? Maybe not to go all in, but with what they've done this year, they're leading the Atlantic division with what Tampa's done. They're still leading that division. All right, we got to do something. So we started throwing around names. And if you look at the roster, it's another center. Okay, you could talk about on on D, but if you were to grab and I said, Nazum Kajri, now Nazum Kajri, every team needs a center. And I love this guy and I love him in the playoffs even more. Minus the suspensions that he sometimes took with the Maple Leafs, that basically was the reason they traded him. But that is a guy where you look at their top six and right now cops the second line center. If you can just slide all that down and you get Kajri playing with the brinket and cane, it's like, holy shit. That's when it's like, wow, he's got three more years. It's only seven million. So you know, Nazum in once term, that's a guy. And then another guy I mentioned and just going back to Kajri quickly, he wasn't wrong. He was just early because the shit that he was doing to get suspended, that would be a two minute minor for the Florida Panthers last couple of days. Yeah, let's get that straight. Okay, you're laughing with it, but fuck you. If that was what the one hit on the boards at the garden, who did he get in Boston on the boards? Yeah, that was that that was I don't know of a Panthers. They want to kick them off a few of the Florida Panthers last few years for that. With you know, who I would like to see there because he's got some ties to Detroit. He left his home of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania when I used 14, 15 years old. He met his lovely wife when he was in Detroit playing for the little seasors or whatever team he was playing for Vincent Trocheck, a centerman, a guy who's on a dumpster fire of a team right now, the New York Rangers. A guy that, you know, he's kind of at that point in his career. Like, do I want to stay here? I do. I want to go somewhere and try to win. He's familiar with the place. He likes it. His wife likes it. She'll be comfortable. He can win you some draws. Okay, so both guys you just mentioned, I would believe our second line center. Like Kaju with where he's at, clearly a second line center, Troche. I think he's a second line center. Great penalty killer. Good, D's own draws. They both have three years left. Both, both have three years left. So they have term. I believe that Trocheck is probably under him. Trocheck's about a million and a half cheaper would be my guess. But like, what about first of all, what do you think you'd have to give up for those guys? And what about trying to kick tires on another suite? They love their suites. What about Elias Patterson as a first line center and all the sudden, Larkin gets to go down the second line. No, Larkin stays one. He could put that's like interchangeable one. Sure. Okay, fine. That's interchangeable. But dude, I don't hate that either. Now, I'll say this. This is a theory that came into my head and I tried to brush it out of my head. I said, get out of my thoughts. Get out of my brain. Is there a chance that Steve Iserman is thinking, well, I could go get some of these guys. I could make a, you know, I'll run it a lie as Patterson. I don't know if he loves his game. I don't know if he wants to pay that contract with all the years left and all the money. I don't know if he likes codger. I don't know if he likes Trocheck. But what if he's saying, well, I think it two years, Connor McDavid's going to leave the Edmonton Oilers. And I think that this could be a place that Connor McDavid be willing to play. I don't want to hear that. I don't want to think that. I don't even want to imagine that. I can't believe you're doing this to your. But you, you were, I'm not doing it to my team. I'm trying to pull myself to Stevie Iserman's brain and thinking he's got two more years. You can't get in Stevie Iserman's fucking brain. No, I can't, but I had his tears even. I was a little boy skating around dreaming of being number 19 on the Detroit Red Wings. So if you're saying that, Whit, and I agree with you, they're setting themselves up perfectly. They have a ton of money. And then you're basically saying that they got to stay patient now. I was going to go back to your original comment. If, if they don't do anything and they keep the same roster that has got them in this situation by staying patient, if anywhere, they're fans and that fan base wants to question what he's doing, including Dylan Larkin. I would say you're a fucking moron. No, I can't question. Look at what they've done now since he didn't make a move. He's saying if they get in, if they don't get in and he doesn't do anything, I think the fans have a, have a, well, I don't think I think they're in. I mean, I don't think there's a chicken dick's chance they miss playoffs. You have to, at some point, whether he thinks they're, you know, ready to win right now, like the guys on that roster have to get a taste of the playoffs. They have to get a feel of what it's like because realistically, not a ton of the guys on that roster have played in the playoffs. Even if you think, hey, we're not going to win it, like we might get bouncing the first round. You got to get those reps in. You got to get the taste of it. Yeah, you got to get in and play it. I know you have to get in and fail a couple times. Yeah. I mean, sit only had to fail. He failed twice. So he lost first round and he lost the cup final. But yeah, you need the experience now. I actually can be open and honest in saying, I think big David's leaving Edmonton after this contract. I mean, you guys think I'm crazy saying that you're crazy for, I would never talk about Matthew's leaving. You fucking ran my mouth. Oh, yeah. Do you see Elliott Freeman's fucking article? Yeah, he at least, he at least waited until he was gone. I'm happy. He's gone. I'm happy for Mitch that he's happy. He obviously couldn't handle the big smoke. Don't try to deflect the bullshit on me. You can't say, I'm sitting here podcasting. I'm not hoping that this happens. I'm thinking realistically. I'm thinking, all right, he signed a short, he signed a two year extension. He had one year left on the old deal. He's got three years left as an oiler. I hope not. I'm just thinking out loud as a podcaster. And then I look at Detroit. I look at Detroit and I look at this team that really will be ready to win then. And it's close to Toronto and it's not Canada and it's the history and it's original six. I'm just throwing out thoughts. But why not? If you're even thinking you have a chance to get them, why not start building towards that too? Like they are. You mentioned they had the two good goalies in their prospect pool. Like look at what Florida did when they had Spencer night and Levi. They traded Levi and they got Ryan Hart for him. So you can, if you have a good goalie prospect, you can get a guy that can help you right away. John Gibson has been unbelievable this year. Awesome. He's not the future. Is he going to be? Yeah, exactly. So you need one of those guys to hopefully stick around pan out. But I think why not just start now? I mean, obviously, I'm definitely not questioning Stevie. Why and anything that he does. But it's like, let's get this going. Let's reward the guys for what they've done. What they've shown us this year and get it going. And I think even get it going now before Olympic starts. I wonder, I wonder if we could put packages together. What Redwings fans would would want? Like would they want to take the leap on Elias Patterson? Do you think that they would prefer a little bit lower risk in a sense of term and then also money to fill in that second slot then getting a guy like Patterson where I mean, he's hit that hundred point mark. He probably would feel a lot more at home and comfortable around other Swedes. I mean, he's got clips from there as far as like a guy in the brass who could probably, you know, talk them, take them out to dinner and make them feel more more more acclimated. I don't mind that. But you know what I tell you is more likely than all of those scenarios is Werenzki when he's up. I think he's got one year left after this year. Maybe maybe he's got two. But are we turning Detroit to a superpower? I think they were in the late. I just think based on the way that Iserman has done things and how much money they have remaining and what he's done with these younger players and how they're going to keep developing. You talk about needing like, let's talk about what you need to win a Stanley Cup. You need a true number one center. I think that Larkin has proved that he's a number one. I think that with what he's done, maybe he's not the 100 point guy, but he's he's a great two way. He's he's basically playing it like Crosby. He might not wow you with the 150 point like McKinney numbers, but he's going to get you both two way hockey. He's going to like berser on like, I hate comparing people to berser on. That's a great comparison. That's a goes up every night. Does his job. Yeah. You need a true number one. Demand Marit Sider has proved this year that he's a number one. This year, he's made that jump where I would say that how many would you say true number ones now there are in the league? Demand 12. Yeah, I was going to say 10. Yeah. I was good. I was going to say 10, but yeah, there's probably because I say what you want. Evan Bouchard to number one. Demand. He's a number one. He has two years left. Biz just to be clear. Yeah. I think I think we're wrench. He's a from start to finish a Columbus Columbus Blue jacket. I think he's one of those guys gets as Jersey retired. They're what he's meant to that organization. But is he not from Detroit? So it does make sense. He's from Michigan. Listen, and I think he's going to honor the contract that he signed. I don't, I think that there's probably less likelihood that Werenzki ends up in Detroit before the end of his deal. But him in corner the same summer. Imagine they just like, hey, where should we go? But that's I would, yeah. And I would say that they're both good enough guys. They're both great guys to where they'll say, hey, things are, Edmonton's going to have a chance to make a run every year that he's there with the team that they have. Werenzki, if they go through another year where they don't make playoffs, let's say they don't make it this year and next year at the deadline, it's not looking like they're going to make playoffs. One, he just they'd say, get what you can for me. I think that Werenzki ending up there is more likely than McDabby ending up there. I'll even at that. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to think of a way that Detroit fans would just be over the moon. I mean, it's, it's, it's a team that, it's been a while, but the patience is showing that it looks, that it, I think the patience now, Iserman's shown when you see the process Max plants leading the NCAA and scoring, they drafted Carter bear 13th overall. They got the two goals like they could make some moves here. That's all we're trying to say. I wonder, I wonder if Panarin knowing that he could probably sign a long one, he wouldn't get the money that he wants to Detroit. I'm curious to know if Steve, you I would even want him based on how he's played later into playoff rounds as they get into the conference finals. They have that Casper kid playing the left or at least the last few games that I saw playing that left side because I don't know if they trusted him in that second line center slot. They have GT Comper and who's the other guy I'm drawn up like another Michigan kid played in New York. Cop. Andrew cop. I wonder if Panarin's a righty who plays the left side. I'm curious to know if they would be, oh, like they, if Red Red rings fans would want him because right now in on that line, you have Larkin and on the on the other side, you have a playmaking winner, a winger in Raymond. Like is is is getting Panarin and spending money there overkill for that line and sawting in that role. I don't know. What are you guys? It came out that it came out that the Rangers want the same exact or obviously not the same exact similar package to what Brock Nelson got. Hey, by the way, Brock Nelson. I think scores every game now. Yeah. 25 games. That's true. The other night. It's crazy to see like how good this guy's been and that couldn't have been a great trade for Colorado and the Islanders, but they got Caleb Rich, Calum Richie. I think they got a first round pick and then who else did the Islanders get, but it was a it was a nice deal. And that's what the Rangers want for Panarin. Panarin has a lot of control. Panarin, I he won't get a long term deal, will he? Like I'd say five years. I think I think that noble five years. I would say that that if he wants to win and still make decent money, I would say a four year deal in Detroit, just like the Brinket sign would be would be night. If he wants to go sign his eight year make as much as you can and ride off to the sunset, I get it. But those can be long miserable years where I'm saying if he wants to still make good money and go on a four year rip, I think Detroit's an unreal landing spot. Yeah, I think he's going to Carolina. Like another great way to treat. I feel like you know, they have a good history of trading together. Like they must have good relationships. I could see him going to Carolina over Detroit right now. A lot of speculation around Detroit, but I agree with you guys. This is the East is still up for grabs and with a few crafty moves with what they have available, available prospect wise and pick wise, all of a sudden they could end up being the front runner. And especially if you're in a situation where if Florida goes on a run and they end up meeting Tampa on the first round, you're licking your chops. Go beat the fucking wheels out of each other. You'll win the Atlantic. You play a wild card first round. And then you try to get a beat up Panthers or Tampa team has Detroit not made the playoffs since they went to the East. They haven't made the playoffs since the 15 years maybe the building open or no 11 11 or 12 years. Right, but because I know obviously they were in the West before. Have they made it as a team in the East they last made the playoffs in 2015, 2016 when they were eliminated by the Tampa Bay lighting in the East. So they were in the East. It's nine years in a row not in the playoffs. So they don't want to hit that double digit mark. Florida too. Like I think they won they won Sunday. Who did they beat the black hawk? They won the last two. Thursday I want to say for anyone who who maybe didn't see it or saw it. The worst hockey game I've ever seen. It was one one going into OT. I think the shots were 18 18 and Winnipeg. They got the win. But oh my God for the Jets fans and I know that one. There's Jets fans listening right now who were at that game that that that was that was the worst game I've ever seen. Wait, did it get their money back? I don't know. Hopefully they did. Yeah, that's one where as you leave. I believe that a Manchester City in the Premier League recently gave fans their money back after a game. They said that was so disgusting. You didn't deserve to watch that. Take your pounds back and we apologize. So I love that move. Yeah, very classy, very classy. Wits actually going to be reimbursing all of you Gargoyles fans for the whole season for your season tickets based on how some of these games got. So very nice of him. Nice gesture. Yeah, also Brock Nelson. He's got the most goals in the NHL since right after Thanksgiving. So that's two months stretch for this guy. Just is scoring it well. Pretty cool to see. I couldn't believe what is it like 25 goals in 29 game. I couldn't believe that I saw that. I saw that. Many games since like 29 games since Thanksgiving seems ridiculous. The schedule in these Olympic years is I feel for the players and there'll be people. Why do you feel bad for these guys? They make so much money. I get it. Dude, playing and realizing like what it takes to get ready each and every game and then to have it all condensed for these Olympic years. You see the injuries and you're like, Jesus, I can't wait for the games and I can't wait to watch Olympic hockey best on best. But holy shit. Is this a grind for players? So yeah, I didn't know that they'd played that many games since Thanksgiving either. Vegas, they've been playing pretty well like overall lately. The last 10 games. The last few games has been ugly. They went into Boston, went down four nothing, made it a game, lost four three. Then they went into Toronto. And I think this was a pretty cool moment for the Vegas goal. And like shocking. I thought I would really get them going. They got crushed by Ottawa Sunday, 7-1. And I think Cassidy called him out after. He's like, this is bullshit. I don't know if it's we're not practicing enough or we're just never ready to play. But he was disgusted. But that game in Florida and I'll give it to Biz after this. What they showed as a team for Mitch Mariner was so impressive. And it started with Colossar, ripping the jersey that said, I think Trader, 16 Trader or something like that. He ripped it out of the kids hands through it on the ground. So Mariner couldn't see it. Oldies hanging over the glass. But then the video for Mariner started to play. And that team, when that video started, they got up and they were banging the boards as loud as you could imagine. And it made me think it goes back. Ikels been through this. Ikel went through this in Buffalo. And I and I guarantee he said to everyone like, I know what this is all about. And I know how ridiculous this could be. And we're going to have his fucking back tonight. And I did respect Lee Spence because they booed him every every time he touched the puck. But they did cheer for the video. It felt like they had a game of standing all. They showed the respects for the video and what he did all those years in Toronto and the great hockey he played. But Vegas is a team. They went in there and they worked the leaves. The leaves in probably the most hyped up game of the year. Not probably definitely. They had nothing. Toronto, I was just graceful as a Maple Leafs fan to see the effort that they gave and to for Vegas to get together around Mariner and rip down the jersey and cheer him on. That was good. That's why I was so shocked about the loss. But, but you could go in. Elliott drops just a bomb. Self an article Thursday. And and it only just got it put more it put more fire on those flames going into that game. Yeah. So I didn't really I didn't know the extent of it. Like of what Elliott talked about. Yeah. I don't think anyone. No majority majority of it. Like obviously we'd heard that they they tried trading them and then he declined it in that whole rotten in business more about just like the like the bonuses out of the entry level contract that he might have been still upset about. And keep in mind like like obviously Elliott did his due diligence and talked to everybody and found out I'd be curious to know what Mitch's side of it is. But I think it's fair to say that Mitch kind of grew up a hockey god around Toronto. And you know, and he's kind of you know, he he delivered as far in a sense of like what he brought regular season wise. And I just think that when you live in that type of bubble and everybody and all your friends telling you how amazing you are the time, some kind of you can there, there is a little bit of separation from reality. And I don't know if there are a lot of guys that have been in a situation that Mitch has been in playing in your hometown delivering what he did regular season wise, like making all the money being under the microscope. Not only that too, like playing with the London nights. So probably being already I guess accustomed to being under the microscope. Especially for playing junior. One of the things the article kind of referenced. And once again, like I don't know if this is true. And he had these types of feelings where Mitch got sent back to junior his last year where he absolutely dominated mem cup. Want it with Kachuk. Who is the other guy who? M V P Christian. De Boric. Christian De Borac was there. He was the MVP of that. So obviously if you're looking at it from a development standpoint, it seemed to have worked out. Another thing that he was upset about was the fact that they were adamant. And I believe he signed his contract like five days after that Lou had been fired. So maybe this was something that they were trying to instill throughout the organization where there was not these high-end bonuses for for entry level contracts. Well, then obviously Austin had it going first overall. And then getting them all. So he's being like, well, he fucking got him when all of a sudden the the MO that we got was that this just doesn't happen here. So but then again, like he was a first overall pick. And I think that Matthews from an overall play perspective like, I all fuck I think he's a better player. And he deserves to make more money. That's just me anyway. What do you guys think? Yeah, I agree with you too. And usually that's why it would be good to get Mitch's perspective from this because usually guys know who's supposed to be getting paid the most who's, you know, guys don't in the NHL don't really get to bent out a shape about that. It's like, okay, you're on Florida. Barkeys your best player. He's going to make the most like and then it kind of trickles down. So I kind of find that hard to believe unless I'm completely ignorant to the whole situation. But it would be interesting to know for him the bonus thing. Yeah, they mentioned that they weren't going to be given the bonuses because they wanted to be at the cap, which as a player, I get to him with the signing bonuses nowadays. Like it's not life changing money where, you know, you're signing your contract like in the NFL where that's like where you make the majority of your money. It's kind of just little bonuses, you know, 250 grand you can make like if that's the difference between being on a team that's going to be spending to the cap, you know, making it to the playoffs. I mean, losing first round, but whatever. It's one of those things that I as a player, I'd be like, okay, I'd rather, you know, have the team be better because at the end of the day, when your team's better, it's going to help you in your next contract. Get more money. Yeah, exactly. Which it did, which he got top and dollar at that point and didn't even sign an eight-year deal. So he that that was the thing to me on that article. Like, which by the way, I think I said, add flames to the fire like that's already a fire. Gas the fire like it's incredible. The ship we say sometimes, but I dude, he had like when the new negotiation kind of began or possibly began for when he ended up leaving, how was all this stuff on his mind still? Like that's what that's why it's so hard to believe like crazy to me to. Yeah. And whether he would be truthful about or not, it's just like, it sounds pretty petty. And also in a sense of you're talking about the dollar amount for bonuses, the ends, I would say entry level deal now. Maybe by the time it's all said, then you can make an extra three, maybe four million dollars. Oh, really? Yes. That didn't even know was that much over over the course of three year entry. Okay. That's that's what I that's what I mean, we can get more information from G, but also everything I talked and described will miss the amount of money that because he's under that microscope being the local kid, being the superstar, the guy I was making the ulcer, he could easily made that off the ice, which I'm sure he did. So that's where it's like, oh man, we're talking about like maybe a million years later, 10 years later, a million or two. And the fact that at that point, you probably already have a hundred sheets, if not at least 85 90 in the bank, knowing that you're also going to get another hundred million dollars wherever else you go. So it's I guess it's it's just weird to where the relationship got here. Here is where they made the mistake and you could say hindsight, but if I am if I am aware of all this information going on behind the scenes and maybe how big of a pain in the ass it is, Shanahan was trying to keep him because you don't get rid of guys like that. How do you replace him? You have to get everything you can to get rid of him. And I'm sure there's a lot of teams that were to send a lot of amazing, amazing packages rather than leaving at the chance that he's going to come back knowing all the headaches off the ice and the fact that it seems like there's animosity money wise. Right. Am I am I crazy here with that? No move cause kicks in. You got to look to move them. And I think that that was a big argument between Dubas and Shani. And if Dubas was on the side of we got to get what we can for this guy and build around the other super stars. I'm not sure he's going to resign. Like we don't know. So we kind of can't risk that. Then Shani was wrong in that instance. And and Dubas was right. And it's easy to look back and say that now, but I had no idea that any of that like 80% of what was in that article. I had no idea that that that was going down. So I imagine like Elliott is, you know, the top guy like he did his homework everything. Yeah. Everything is, you know, you take what he says is correct. But it's all it could maybe it's one of those things where when he was looking to leave, he's looking at the pros and cons of everything. And those are just kind of things like, okay, yeah, that's just another like check mark on the on the cons where you're checking off the pros. I don't know. I just find it hard to believe that a guy would be still that mad about it 10 years later when you've made 80 90 million dollars. But you'd also find it hard to believe that a guy that's that good at hockey and that gifted would be reading comments about himself, which is what the article says. And I guess like having gone through it where like, I and or people in his orbit bringing him what was being said. So yeah. So I think that that's where Elliott, Elliott did a good job being like, man, even when if if he was shutting down the apps, it's hard. You're getting text age. You see what was said about you. Hey, look at what this guy's saying. I mean, fucking talk radio and Toronto. Like there was probably, he probably have a five point night and they were still finding negatives to talk about in some cases with him. But what kind of buddies are texting you? I just see it. Like I didn't need to see that one, but I think it's pretty well document that his father was pretty involved. At least at a younger age and but but with everything that said, I'm really happy that he's been able to get out of Toronto and go start a life and live a normal life outside the rink and then show up and get the play at the level that he plays now. Like I don't I don't I would have not booed. I don't hold any animosity towards him. It's frustrating to seem that he was a little bit. He was mentally checked out by by after four nations. It seems like he was a little bit mentally checked out in the sense where he was starting to vet other destinations. Vegas being the most likely. Well, they were asking him for to move his no trade. No, they did. Yeah. So you got to be thinking that. Yeah. Oh, you're I think that didn't they ask him for the right. If you're an organization and you're asking a guy and if you're being offered a contract or at least a start negotiations and you're like, no, I want to wait to the off season. I think that in that case, it's fair for the team to say, hey, well, considering you're not going to give us security, do you mind if we get something for you in return and you can get whatever you want, whether that's we can move you to the west. And then once again in the article, it says, well, Vegas wasn't willing to put a hefty package together because I think that they were aware that they were going to be able to attract. So that's where it's like, ah, is this agent talking to to Vega? Probably, probably, which if you want to call a fair game, that's fine. But for a team that drafted you and did everything you did, you're a local kid, you're playing with superstars, if I don't know if that's the type of loyalty you're showing to that team, I'm okay saying, hey, can we trade you and can you can you wave this? But too little too late because they had the opportunity to that summer before before it kicked in. So once again, I'm not holding any animosity toward them. But as if hardcore Lee fans want to think that he was checked out and thought that he was getting the short him thinking that he got the short end of the stick and being poopy pants all that. If they want to boo him and they want to hold the animosity, I also get that side of the two. Well, I think they did the right thing. They booed him when he touched the puck, which, you know, loyal fans should do. They have every right to do that. And then they cheered him when they had the ceremony of all the stuff that he brought to the team. I thought that they handled it really well. And, you know, it's just kind of one of those things you got to expect to happen when you come back that the team's going to boo you. My favorite tweet about the Sean McIndo McIndo. So in the end, we had a playoff atmosphere and both the Leafs and Mitch Marner did nothing. Sounds about right. And quickly going back to Eichel's return to Buffalo, I totally had forgot this quote. Just in all time Brad Martian level trolled. You remember what he said after the game? He said, it's about the loudest I've ever heard this place. It only took seven years and me leaving for them to get into the game. They must just be booing me because they wish I was still here. You said a Marsha style quote like Marsha level troll. Jack said that that's a. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry. I meant to say, yeah, Jack said that. And then another, this was an article from the athletic. It was talking about the most contentious returns. It was talking about Tavares going back. Federer off back in Detroit and and Yager when he went back to Pittsburgh on the flyer. So he went back to Pittsburgh as a capital and as a Ranger and was booed and booed as a flyer. He went back and was booed worse, I guess, than when it was with Washington, New York. He said, I don't get it. What kind of world are we in right now? That's fucking scary. We should be in a world with a lot of love. Instead, there's one guy who's 40 years old, who's almost done and he's causing all this animosity over hockey. My brain just doesn't understand that. He's still playing. He went, yeah, he's still playing it. Check. I want I want it to be known though. Like you guys joke about like all the fans running on my town like I think you. Everything I've said about Mitch Mariner has been hockey related. I never care about the off the ice stuff one bit. Okay. When and in fact, I glazed him and and praised him a lot throughout his time with the Leafs. But I will say this, if everything about what Elliott wrote in that article and there was like pettingness about like little amounts of money compared what he ended up making off for what Toronto and that environment and that organization provided him and his family, family during the time there for him to make that money. Complain about that petty shit and focus on the petty shit when in crunch time never got it done. I I feel like he's earned those those booze in that regard because I think we can all agree if you look at the numbers in crunch time. I'm not talking about the first round against Tampa Bay when he had 11 points the one year and was awesome. I'm not talking about last year's first round against Ottawa which one I thought that he was solid. I don't think he was all world. There were still mistakes that were made. You know, I thought he was okay against Florida. But also when it came down to closing out that series, there were times where he was put on the ice when if you watch that is where you're going to be evaluated. When you when you a man when you demand the top end dollar and you bleed your team dry your hometown team for every cent and your petty about money when you're making as much as you are off the ice. And you don't come through in those moments. That's what you're making the top dollar for. I don't give a fuck about your hundred point regular season. I don't I don't give a fuck about that. And neither do all these fans who booed. So when you don't people sit bring up the one the seven game series against Boston. Oh, well, he missed you know three four weeks of the high ankle sprain. Buddy, it was him who came on the ice who was just looking around and passed the blue right by him. There was no hold up there. There was no getting in his lane. Those are the minute minutes field details. If you want to talk to me about a silky trophy that you make on the defensive side of the puck. So if anyone wants to argue with me about the hockey side of it, I'll fucking stuff them in a locker. I'll I can remember. Why are you looking at like that, what? It was a funny line. Jesus Christ. Oh, okay. Well, I'm just afraid of stuff. You in a locker. You said I'll stuff in a locker. Maybe that. What are you looking at? I thought you read. Yeah, you're ready to stuff yourself in a locker right now. I was just saying that I'm not high biscuits tea. I saw you gave it one of those like like kind of scoff looks like you're ready to argue. I was like, okay, if I can bring it. Yeah. So, you know, and that's kind of where I turned on him where I was like, if you're telling me that this is a guy who where you're going to have to gargle is not sack and beg him to come back to Toronto and pay him $13 million and I want what Austin's making because I'm fuck you. I've seen enough in the crunch time to where I know you're not worth that. If you can go provide that in Vegas and you're happier there and you're out of the limelight and your teammates support you the way that maybe they didn't in Toronto and you're not dealing with the off ice criticism. Bro, go get it. All the power to you. Go have success there. Ra Ra happy for you, man. I can't wait to see, you know, his playoff performance this year. It'll be a very cool storyline to watch. And last thing of Toronto, because we got RAs world coming up. I love William Neelander as a player, right? Like this guy, he's incredible. He's awesome to watch. He talk about crunch time. He's probably their best player in the playoffs every year. If I'm Brad tree living like we laugh and it's funny. The tank top in the press box is one thing. It's just like it's hilarious, but like Brad tree living. I'm sitting there and I'm like, I don't know. Dude, to then be sitting out injured and actually fucking flip off the camera man, I think I would lose my fucking mind as the GM of that team seeing that. And I do not think you would ever see certain guys in the NHL do this. Yeah. And you look at look at Joshua and Tana. They were like, oh, God, like they saw me. It's just like so like. Yeah, it's just bullshit. Like, let's give everybody, let's give everybody contact. So this was during the next game. So they've had a tough slate, right? So this was against Colorado. And when it's seen that the game was basically done and out of hand, they turn the camera on and pan to the press box to get the guys reaction. But like, agree with you, like there, there has to be a certain level of professionalism from the entertainment sport side of it as like a hilarious, right? Because it's a three ring circus. You got Barube going into this whole marrero debauchel. He's got a lion and a gladiator. And he's got 50 zippers in his head. Yeah, but with the dumbbells. Had 66 stitches. I bet it did. I bet it did. So just if you add all that up in one one side of me, I'm like, ah, whatever. That's kind of willy-been willy. He's still going to show up with a crazy outfits. And he just doesn't really give a fuck. But then the other side is like, I don't know, man, we just you just had the tank tank top incident. And we are embracing you for who you are. You tweak your fucking groin injury again after a goal where you just kind of go on one, completely accidental and shitty timing. But yeah, that's where I would probably just have a sit down with him and be like, listen, man, like this, we need you to be a leader in this locker room. We need this team going in a certain direction. It's been hot cold, hot cold. We have nothing wrong with your play on the ice. But we just need you to kind of take that next level of maturity and not be doing stuff like that. It's just bulletin board material for the media to unleash and create more shit. So it makes it makes them look like a joke. And I was a top week. You know, I've seen crossbe, I've seen Ryan Getzlap. I've just seen guys that have just approached everything in such a serious professional way that it's like, as a fan, I love it. And as a former player, I'm like, that is a fucking joke, dude. Yeah. And I actually think the tank top is right up there. The tank top is so ridiculous. It's not the finger. I shouldn't compare the two, but that started it off. And then I guess he let off media today by apologizing. He's just frustrated. He's not playing. And I know he put out an Instagram, but I was looking at it. I saw that. I'm like, this team is unbelievable. There's seasons falling apart after like fighting their way back into the mix. He's in the press box. I know. But they got you know, other fans in media have said that about this team a few times this year. They just finished their their hardest stretch of the season. They came off that road trip and they're playing every team's a playoff team. They had Vegas, Colorado, Minnesota. They got Buffalo. I'm forgetting the one other team they had in the mix of that five game homestand. But it's tough times. There's a little bit of adversity and sometimes ridiculous moments like this are what can turn a season around. So let's hope that's the case. And let's hope they they get their bearings back. But my God, like between the fucking chief taken off his hat and seeing that scar, Willie flipping off the camera, Mitch coming back to town. That was that was I was good as a kid. I'm in vain. So pop. Regardless of how you feel about Toronto and how much we talk about Toronto in this podcast, they are carrying the weight of entertainment year in year out. You guys get the right. Not for all the best. Not for all the best. I want to save the Bruins for R.A.s world. But I just quickly want to mention, if getting Malcolm is a complete machine, but I don't know if you saw the video where he's like tapped on the shoulder on the bench by Manta and immediately goes down like like and it's not even like a pusher or anything. So I don't but he was playing in the game in Scorden Vancouver. So I don't the penguins go on their Western road trip. They went all four games. That team there just in insane storyline right now. Right now, if you told me before the season that Buffalo would be the seventh best team in the league and Pittsburgh would be eighth. I would have thought you were based pissing in a bottle mid podcast. Typical Toronto Toronto. She's currently doing so Toronto. Hopefully, Geno is all right. But I think it's a prize Willie Neiland didn't do this at the press conference. I just pissed all over the fan. Do you think there's any X player or management or whatever that is like, yeah, that was our cause even like the Andrew pharance one, which is like during the heat of the game. That's different. That's it. But it's still like, I'm sure he regrets that like it's still like Hartman did it too. Was that this year? Last year. No, yeah. Hartman did it last year. Yeah, but it's like if you give a fan a finger. I don't give a fuck about that. That's he I agree with you. That's he to the moment. Yeah, I think that pharance got like signed the glove for the fan who had a buy in the glove or something like that. So that's kind of like, I was immediately after a goal in a playoff game. Yeah, that's like that turned that series around. Oh, and and by the way, I was so tired by the week because we I had the three broadcasts then we did the coast of coast for four and then we filmed the pink Whitney commercial on Friday. I was so sick of the whole like because they'd already played Vegas the week before in Vegas. So I was so sick of that story. I didn't even watch the game. Like I you didn't miss much buddy. I know. Let's move on. Just like Austin Matthews said to that Mark McMaster's guy. He's like, I'm done. I'm done with them. Like, let's just move on. Let's fucking move on now. If that Elliott article never came out, I think we barely talk about it on this podcast. Hey, that was some good insight. What's that? What does that mean? Keith is flipping off. But that that that goes back to the Nieland or thing. I love you guys go back to peeing. All right, we missed him on Friday. Let's right now throw it over to the man we know is Rreg. A lot of questions for this guy. Hello, everybody. Welcome to our raise world here on the spit and check its podcast. I got the shades on because I look like absolute fucking trash right now. First night, I've been out in like two months last night after the past game went. I have a few pops. I literally haven't been out in two months. So I don't have a couple of drinks after nice victory with going the fucking Super Bowl, bro. Congratulations. We're is that a South Carolina stingrays, too? Yeah. Yeah. Stingrays East Coast. East Coast league by buddy. Robby come can and don't just the guy he's down in the team president for a long time. So hook me up with it last time I was down there. Yeah. Well, get a see your buddy. Great to see you. All right. Great to see you and haven't talked to you in a while. I know the first pressing pressing thing that's on everyone's mind is I mean, you you live for Twitter. You hate me. But you love you love Twitter and you have been just owned by somebody. What has happened? Are you unlocked? Are you still hacked? Where is R.A. on Twitter? Because I can't imagine you're handling not being able to get your thoughts out there very well. And more active on Instagram lately. I'm still in the fucking shoe. They still got me in the shoe on fucking Twitter. I reach out to gas and I'm Katie Pundisco at Boston. They've been great. They only have contacts at Twitter. I had to send my likes and send. But of course, I used my fucking nick name. So I had to send articles in that like said prime of going on in rear-rad. But I haven't heard back yet. So I haven't I haven't been back on Twitter. But I've been I've been pounding fucking Instagram like Bizz with a fucking his riot fucking account for the last few weeks. And I'll tell you that you know Instagram. There's a lot of good stuff on that like Twitter like and I know what I'll you on the whole blog. But when he took over dude, it got flooded with the fucking it sells that just so many angry pissed off people. Instagram has a lot of like good stuff there. There's some some wholesome stuff. I'm positive. I agree. Exactly. Yeah. And you know, don't you know, stay the world right now. It's like yeah, it's nice to share you know, some fucking positive stuff out there once in a while. So I yeah, I mean, I do want to get back once what other one. But I've been jones and I hit the butt like eight times a day. So I don't know how he got hacked. I I mean, obviously when I have my pinned tweet is it's telling you about a Tesla, I got hacked. I don't know what happened. I don't think I clicked on a link. I've been on these internet streets for a long time. I don't know if I did something stupid. But either way, I'm still waiting. So about him wearing a stingray hat. I know. Play against the guard was that was buddy. Yeah. We're boys with who's the John. You're in the movie that he made. Kuku can. The late game. Yeah. Do it. Robby can't do it. He I mean, he's been he's not dragging. He is he he he would like show up like like big party to sell Boston. He would just show up in full fucking scuba outfit like scuba gear like would like, you know, foot is the the basking people like, what the fuck is this guy like legit trip and party and he earned his nickname. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. He's an absolute gem. So yeah. So what dog who knows what what Twitter but I'm I can't believe the fucking Patriots in the soup bowl this year. I bet him to win the division. Believe it or not. I had a rapier win coach of the year. And I got 50 to one of them. So I'm going to super bowl. Wow. What did you get for them to win the A of O division? You said, okay. So what a bowl for a bowl? He was only six to one. Don't want to coach to the year. But man, I'll take it. He's I he's a one of my OG Twitter followers business. Believe it or not. Like, I mean, like, way be yelling. I didn't mean before check. Let's see. You might have bought a Tesla because of you. There. There's a clip online. And I went. I want to say that you brought it up the other day. It's will compton imitating Mike Raeble for about three and a half four minutes in a in a locker room meeting. And the guys are in stitches the entire time. So they must have hit it out of the park. Seemed like a big time character. And just very, very likable head coach. Yeah. I mean, I mean, how many touchdowns that he have in soup bowls, like two or three, right? They would do it. You utilize him here and then and he's not. All of his touchdown catches were in the Super Bowl, right? Something crazy like that. Yeah. That could be the case. And, and, and, and, and also he does. Um, when he got the job in Tennessee, it was I, I'm sorry, I forget the woman, the woman reported his name. He would always go to her first. No, because he, you know, he recognized it. That's a tough job for woman. That's also a reporter. He, he always did it. And when he came to New England, he started doing a hair at Carringer region a long time. Well, she used to be a terrible for a long time. And then Drake May, he, he, he, he took the same fucking lead. He does the same thing. So pretty cool, man. It's, you know, and dick out of the character type of guy's day. So good stuff. Awesome. All right. How's the health? Did you have the cane at the bar last night? Yeah. Yeah. But, like, but, uh, you know, I got up Monday morning for my, when I went on my like 17 midnight pisses and I was walking there and all said I'm like, oh my god, I'm not walking like a gorilla right now. Like for the first time in two months, I was like, okay, it was upright. I've been going on a PT. I, yeah, this is the, the week I felt the best in two months. I'm moving around the bitten. So yeah, I think things are going good. I got it. Oh, am I right yesterday? I first, I'm first one ever got. Um, you were able to sit still in an MRI machine almost the end. She goes, oh, you last one, the picture didn't come into go. We gotta do one more time. So, uh, give me a wash tranquilizer. I know. Like, give me some PCP to knock me out for a couple hours. But, um, so yeah, we'll see what happens. I, it's, uh, not sciatica. Like I thought it first. Right. Yeah. I probably got a disk issue. But, yeah, uh, I'm getting back out there, man. It was nice to just, uh, see some folks have a couple of cocktails last night. Fucking, let's go fucking pass. Uh, let's see, moving right along here. Dude, the shocks and the docs legit, maybe a fucking pill in this year. I, I love that, you know, in time, but with the one point behind, I'm gonna say what a game in hand, San Jose, wild vibes, who I don't think I'm gonna get, gonna get in the playoffs. But with them, in doing, I know, celebrate, I talk about them all the time, but this kid, I mean, I think, uh, there were eight people above them. The teenagers are assist like list seven hall famers above, man, when you're 19 years old, like getting those names like that, man, love it. Love the docs, love the docs. I saw the end of practice. Um, it's like the Beatles now for the, for the sharks. Like they got smitty. They got, Telebreanie and it's just madness out there. I will say I saw an article about this team and I think in games that in overtime, they're 11 and three overtime or shootouts. And then in games that are finishing in regulation, they're like 15 and 21. So it's kind of smoke and mirrors a little bit, but celebrity having 40 more points than the second place guy. He has six more points than if you took to Foley and Wendberg to her two and three and combine them. So that's crazy because the 40 points more that he has of second on his team, there's five teams in the NHL that don't even have a leading score with 40 points. So it is, it is led to one of them. The Beatles, by the way, that passed between his legs, a couple, he showed when he was grinding behind the net, he stole the puck like two, like, I mean, he's doing the shit at 19, man, just an absolute treat to watch that guy. So yeah, I want to shout out those two teams. Uh, I gotta go, we'll go to the bronze right now. I want to ask you, could they already, were you betting, were you betting the docs when they went through that tough, tough to stretch though, there was about a 15 game stretch where they were shit. I, I, I started fading them. I think three games in a row. They lost them. I got them at this slumping right now, but I laid off them. But I did have, um, who was it? Actually, no, the shot, who was it? Then were the shocks beat? I want to call her out. They were like, dude, they were like plus 320. Like, that's a fucking crazy price with the NHL. No team, so yeah, that price. So yeah, I've been a ton of those so far, man, off those slides. Been fun. Uh, broans, like I don't find teams do the father, the father strips, the mother strips, you know, they bring mentors in, but the siblings trips. I don't know if you, if you saw the highlights, the broans had the brothers and sisters. And dude, the next team at Fighters Day coach, they got a high Mason lower ice sister Zoe. Did you see that clip when she did the lineup, kind, she come in like strutting in, she, and they, she, they bleeped her out. I hope she said, the F bomb because she's like, we didn't come to eat fucking hot dogs. We came here to get points. We need the rattled off the fuck alive. The places for how I do it is just good shit, man. And I mean, would you fucking want to bring us the ones on the road with all the brother, which brother would you bring? Oh, I mean, my brother, my brother did a road trip with Whit. Almost got him fucking kicked off the penguins. Oh, come on. Let's hear it. No, Brian was out visiting Keith and we played Dallas the first night and then we flew to Arizona and played Arizona the second night. We won both games we went out after and that was, it's been told on the pod before, but we went out. Brie was with us and we ended up back in Mark Recky's room because that was the night he scored his 500th goal. So a bunch of us in his room, having beers was awesome. And then I think the night ended, I might have left the room and next thing, you know, Mark Recky's brushing his teeth going to get into bed and Brian Yanle's passed out in the middle of his bed. So he scored, he scored 500 goals and then couldn't even have his own bed to sleep in because B.Y. made his, he announced his presence with authority on the, on the penguins dad's trip. And that was the same trip the next day. My dad and I were late to the bus and I got on the bus and got death stared from Terry and looking behind me for my dad and he got on the media bus. He was smart enough. I'm not catching the heat from the coach. He just walked on the media bus behind us and I was the one that took the hate. Yeah, I mean, you got that every day from fucking Terry and though, it was great to see Recky and Tom for Charris retirement. I know we talked about it, but every single living alumni from Bruins with the retighted numbers was in town. That was awesome. The, the trip was really so. And it's so, yeah, we had two after, we had two on the broadcast on the Tuesday at TNT. And that was after that weekend and Posta looked like he was still hung over from it. He had the black guy. I looked like he came out of a garbage can. So he said that the ones in the past had never been like that because there were so many guys not only still playing, but all the guys came in a town and they just tie one on. So it looked like a blast already. Were you in the muck with them? Like were you trying to figure out where they were going? No, no, I still still on the on the DL, but I didn't go on the guy. I haven't been to a game for a little bit. So no, I wasn't in the stock. I mean, Posta, I mean, it looks like a block and a half away, but I couldn't believe that Zadorov was okay, by the way. Luckily for the Bruins, I thought that was like torn ACL. He was done. That looked ugly. So he loves penalties. That guy absolutely. He's leaving over the last five years. But you know what? Those are the guys, you know, when teams going around the playoffs, you need bruises in your own end to, yeah, sometimes it's good to take penalties. And as far as the bees, you know what, what if they don't hang on a playoffs plot here and don't make it like I think this to fend them is just in love with this team, you know, they don't have the highest skill level, but they go out, they bust their balls, effort, grit, hot, Michael, Sturm, awesome, higher, you know, it's all gravy right now. And I'm glad they didn't overpay for what's the name? Yeah, Rasmus Anderson. I saw the deal with 9 million a year for seven years. They were going to give them. Well, and Posta, you know, what they gave up from two of us like, you know, they're not at that level. You know, we got more. There's a future a little bit. I mean, like I said, this is all gravy, but it's been a great year. I do hope they hang on for a playoffs, but always a treat. But if they don't get in them and, you know, it's it's been fun. And you know, I hate, I love tell the chiroch kind of admonished the crowd, you know, at every time and like they started booing, you know, and he's like, Hey, did you hear he's like, Hey, he kind of like yelled at them. And I thought it was out of line too. Like when when fucking Bruins fans talk about the Jacobs' in money, shut the fuck up, bro, the fucking salary cap came in in old six. They've spent to the fucking cap since then that's 1980s bullshit, bro. You can, you know, bitch about almost, but fucking, it's old. It's so fucking stupid and it's sweetie nearly. Yeah, I know this quibbles to have in the draft one, but they, you know, they they earned a fucking year. They are. They they haven't been great. But dude, this team's been three Stanley cups in the last fucking, you know, 12 years, 13, what are 15 years? How many teams with fucking give the left leg for that? So people need to fucking relax about the Bruins. They're we're holding Pat right now. And it's it's a gravia. It's good. Enjoy it if we get in the playoffs awesome, but not gonna belly ache of that. I think some people were surprised that Nile and Swini kept their jobs. I think that they deserved another chance. Where would you rank them from last year, beginning of the year, the way they fumbled to swim and negotiations? If that's how you view it. No, I think the Marshawn trade heard a lot of fans like seeing him leave and then he goes and wins. I think people turned on them then more than ever. Yeah, yeah, that was ugly. I mean, I think they thought he might have been more done than he was. And obviously he's he's been lighting up sense. But no, I I honestly thought sweetie was was great at the deadline last year. Biz like, you know, he's okay. We're not going to make the playoffs this year. We got a lot of contracts. He, you know, he stockpiled a bunch of picks. Look what we've been getting out of mitten this year. Kusna Dinoff, that kid's a fucking he's dynamite man for 22 points and like 44 games or something like that. You know, he's a whiz you can put him on the top three lines. They got a lot of good pieces there. So yeah, I liked what they did last year. You know, it's tough to rebuild on the flight sometimes, but you couldn't burn it down. You got you know, past the McAvoy swimming. That's not a team you just say saddle over you. You don't try to get back to where you were. You know, I think the bees are on that way, man. I'm a fuck. You can put like a B plus since then. Yeah, I would. Yeah, a B plus. Yeah, I like what they did at the deadline. Yeah, you know, hopefully fix the fucking draft. I don't know. You guys mentioned it early. I didn't get on to late. Charlie coil 1000 games. Did you guys give them a profit? There's a few. I think we might have mentioned it last pod, but we had we actually got a chance to talk to Zach Guarenski as well after that coach to coach. He hit his thousand. Yo, see, and then they kill a Alex go on to an Alex colorn. Yeah, yeah, and goils family. They they shot off the cannon. Yeah, the night of his thousandth game. And then he actually scored an empty net goal, but they called it back for offside. That would have been kind of cool. So his family's death now, but and shout out, Marcus, Felino first career, Patrick earlier in the week. So I like to give you guys props of that stuff. We got to give a little shout out to the lady style. It was I don't last week. I was on last week. Congrats to the US under 18 women's team. They were at the world. She had been in chips. They're 10th gold medal. They're 76, 64 and seven and 93 games and those truck and tournaments. Man, they're kicking asshole. Good stuff. And I don't know if you've talked about the show. No, somebody sorry. I had to know. Cool. Number 24. She was on T. M. USA. Her mum. Good friends with my father-in-law. She works at the school. My son goes to. So I got a cool picture of her with the trophy. So congrats T. M. USA. Did you guys see the ladies have that big scrap on the game in Washington? It was New York versus Montreal. Like these girls have been malling each other the last couple of seasons, but it was the end of the game that beat the piss out of each other. They started shit and we won a team. We won a team because Washington doesn't have a team. And it was actually the largest crowd in the United States women's history. 17,228. But the best part was they kicked the shit out of each other at the end of the game and then they had to take the picture because it was like a buying stolen game. So they got together afterwards. After pounding each other. So yeah, yeah, that was great. Yeah, good to see you. I like to complain to the show. I love how they go different locations. Yeah. Because you know, they're always going to sell out because it's like the carnivals coming to town, but also like Toronto. Toronto, every game they sell out, right? So like the markets that they have are strong. And I like how they're essentially advertising the product in these pop ups. And the way the way that how hard they play R.A. I wouldn't be shocked if that leagues double the size in the X five years. And there's a lot of people with money wanting to get in on the action and own teams to currently one guy owns the league, right? Really? What owns all the teams? I want to say that he's a majority owner of that. And if I'm wrong, you guys can sculpt me. No. Wasn't a PLD sister on one of those teams. Yeah, Lu Boa. I thought I saw I thought I saw a picture of him and his sister playing in that Washington game, which is incredible if his sister is on that team. The professional women's hockey league, the P.W. H.L. is centrally, that's centrally essentially owned by the Mark Walter group, a consortium led by billionaire Mark Walter owner of the L.A. Dodgers. So I I'm winning another one. I'm not sure. Are you reading? Are you reading AI? Was that AI? Is that no? That was that was G helping me out. Like the producer that he is in the chat. Now where did G get it is the question? But I believe from the commonwealth of Australian UK. Crocker dialed that day. And I'll shout out to the boss of three girls. I got some friends on the team. I do have to get to a game once I'm walking normally out there. Hey, did you know NASA is going back to the moon for the first time since 1972? Why? Well, I guess they this is the first of many trips. I guess they were going to put some sort of infrastructure. I don't know exactly what the purpose of that is, but they're going up by I think it's February 2nd. They're going to they're going to basically do a lap. They're not landing on the moon. The father's point. They're going to be 230,000 miles from home. That's like doing 40 round trip, fucking trips from you know, New York to LA basically 230. Imagine being a little fucking tube all the way out there. That's going crazy shit. And I hate how long does it take? I get it. I mean, they get up there and the day. I mean, once they got through the atmosphere and they don't need to they don't need to use fuel. They just kind of like coast through the thing. Like people who fucking say they didn't only have the moon. Fuck those people. Fuck those assholes. It's such a so disrespectful. Oh, they didn't go to the moon. They made the movie. Suck it. Yeah. Dude, like people died, man. Like three guys get fucking burned alive. They and this was the 60s. It was so much fucking hot to do things then. And the idea that you're going to fucking insult those people like and oh, they didn't go there. Fuck you. Day with the moon. So you think they did land on the moon? If you don't you're fucking, well, we don't say it. We're gonna be more on if you don't think fucking people into the fucking moon. I mean, it says it takes three days to get to the moon from Earth. All right. Wow. You'll actually have the chance to go to the moon by 2032 because a startup just announced January 12th. They are planning to put a hotel on the moon. Groose space for two. I could see. I could see. Piss doing that. Are you out of your fucking mind, dude? I wouldn't do it. It's guy died. Okay. 250K for a room. That's pretty expensive. Let's get it. Let's get a go fund me for R.A. to do it. He was there last night. If you're not going there for any type of like science and to learn, I feel like it's just such a waste of resources. Yeah. I mean, don't don't flex. I want to be an astronaut. I was a kid. But yeah, I don't know what they're gonna do. They say they're gonna put infrastructure. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. What are you gonna do in the moon? We'll put a fucking soup of my kind of something. Now, it's just, I don't know. We've been there. I don't know. But I'm excited to go back in the last few minutes to fill up your card. Fucking and then motherfucking the aliens working up there. We need to be in for a fake. I'm hoping you must. So as dude, so biz when they go up six million pounds on the launch pad, That's someone's that the rock goes up six fucking million pounds. It goes five to seven miles a second when it gets the space to So yeah, I'm a big space and like I said 230,000 miles away I don't I'm looking forward to it and by the way There's a little story we never talked about this guys My Twitter had a photo people probably think it's AI fake It's a spitting chicklets flag in the cupola the little window from the international space station, okay? This was guys was at 2018 that was before COVID so We reach out something reached out to G Colonel Mike Hopkins break guy. He was up in space on the international at the international space station now when people are up there NASA say, hey, you know that you want to talk to somebody from home and you know get a little slice of home by you're up there Imagine this guy looks down this eight Fucking billion people blow him and he asked for us to reach it has Be busy with this crazy. Oh, yeah, I got my behind him like he wrote he wrote wit Thanks for taking the time to chat love the show happy I can't read I can't read the can't read the how was his internet? Unreal it was great. So like I mean yours like chip that's we it was like we didn't go to space But like we de facto like what that Keith when we got the zoom hook up all Sunday We see look at him and the fucking he's in space through it was insane. So when we started that like it wasn't a checklist interview He just talked to us. We kind of put down release it. He probably wasn't even in space All fucking stab you When we started he was above Vancouver Island and when we finished he was above Vietnam and it was like I still I said I can't I can't fucking believe you had us there So flash forward like a Yarosoleda he was in town his kid was playing hockey a hockey game with Worcester And he said it was a same patty. He's like hey, I read I mean sound you know, let's get together And I was like currently like everybody's packed. I was coming because they brought me nice like everybody down there So he caused me and I I was like I'm on Saturday's like oh I'm here and I'm like I don't see it He's like I know how is street. I'm like like goes you show you're in Charleston and he's like Hold on and he pulls away. He's like I'm a fuck I'm a wake field. I was like okay So so I go so I don't know how far is that that's something like 20 from being out to Vancouver so So I go so sweat you know 545 but my for three come to the nights. I'll see you there So he ends up getting there with his wife and kid. We you know had a great old time I got every day. I have a fucking astronaut down the nights of Columbus So he's he's telling the guy's like yeah, I go last. They didn't wake up Riz my buddy Rizzo. He's like Bro you come home from a goddamn space, but you couldn't fucking find Charleston from wake field He's not a business pants laugh. It was just you know guys in space. He couldn't find the place But no it was good. It was a very special thing and I mean like I said I wanted to be an astronaut was a kid So it was it was awesome and I just want to share that we didn't talk about that Well, you got a lot of free time in your hands now, right? I mean, hey and guess what? Not a lot of gravity up there will be easy on the L5 S1 you got parking and And you you don't have to call it your gravity Bung anymore. It's a non-gravity bomb Just Bung I know I wonder like like what business if you're in space. What what kind of experiment would you want to do? What kind of I love to fucking space? I was just gonna say I mean the question. That's why I thought he might go to the moon. I'm gonna get a whack on the moon What's that stuff floating around the cockpit? Oh? Shit, well, inner international load Star-year Yes, you know fucking savage off What would I want to do up there? We'll get back I would definitely love to Smoke some weed and and also get high on mushrooms up there. I think that would be pretty cool I Don't know if I would have the balls to put that suit on and then walk outside of the ship That wouldn't even I just see videos of that I get like you know, I like Quiver Because I picture being at the top of like the CN Tower Even with a harness on and like leaning over the edge it could you imagine like there's one little explosion and then you're just in space Until your tank runs out and you're just kind of doing like loser laps in the middle of nowhere Do wouldn't that freak you out with You think yeah, I got no desire to go to space the ball The balls down here the balls to like for those whoever goes up that that's major balls like to go like 200,000 miles away And you know, it's huge risk and in back then to in the 60s like the Apollo missions the fact that he's you know They pulled it off absolutely incredible and shut up shut up to our space heroes. Yeah, right classic recommendation for the week Come back to my man Brian the Palmer 1981 blowout John Travolta Nancy Allen you ever see it Brian? I mean you have right Keith Yeah, I've seen it. I haven't seen it in a long time but good movie Unbelievable movie, but Palmer one one of the most underrated guys It's it's one of the best thrillers ever I don't even want to mention one of the other guys in it because it's sort of a spoiler But if you look at for something to watch blow out legit awesome fucking flick. Let's see That's been doing all right. If you've been following this you made some though We got to take fucking patriots no brain. I know they don't play throwing other couple weeks They're getting four and a half right now, but you better be on what? No, I will I mean I'm not like super confident. I think that Basically based on how the office is locked and David Andrews was saying this it's but I Think they'll somehow get it done and I'm gonna bet him but it's gonna be an absolute war Keith What you got? I think I think they're gonna Especially getting the points. I'm gonna take them to win But yeah, I mean, how do you bet against your team? Especially? I mean, it's just that at this point like even getting to the Super Bowl is such like a Huge accomplishment for where they were three four years ago. I think it's I think it's a no brain I'm gonna take them maybe the line goes up too because based on how they've looked and how Seattle's looked like I feel like people are gonna be pounding Seattle and ever hates the Patriots so much Yeah, absolutely Tuesday night San Jose They're in Vancouver Vancouver's spiral and it's Jackson only minus one 15 Puckline plus two oh five pound them. They've been playing great Like in Celebrini like I said, he's been out of control take the shocks Tuesday night Pat's in a couple weeks. They're only minus one 15. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that line looks kind of kind of cheap And I like that right now You know this we don't do politics here. This is not politics is just All right, I was gonna ask you about this because I've seen you've been posting about a lot on there and We I know we don't we don't cover politics because it's such a divisive topic, but you know You're you're one guy who like covers this stuff and yeah, I'll hand it over to you and yeah, Alex pretty A VA nurse I think I take you know people who are dying He he brings veterans that dignity and I should One of his a video of him, you know like saying the last rights to a guy not last rights But you know saying some final words and and look I Know everybody has crazy opinions now, but this 15 fucking videos of what happened there's this this guy Was helping a woman who got shoved down and he held his phone up He held his hand he couldn't have been in more of a submissive post a non-threatening and Those fucking goals they they dog piled on them. I mean they dog pile and then they bought one shot And you're like what and then he was split out on the ground They shot him fucking Nine and a ten more times are like like like and then they run away now these guys on cops like Clops and these don't like these guys these guys are fucking what cops like they were telling Minnesota You know we got this that like these guys did not law enforcement these guys have been hired last month They're getting this fucking bonus if they they wear a mask. They don't own the names There was a woman who get wrote an out chief applied for a job. She wasn't trying to work there They didn't do a drug test. They didn't do a background. They're like oh you hired. They're just picking anyone in there and the fact that American guy and the right day it was murdered. I mean there's no fucking Other way you could fucking people at the enemy or when you we stole fuck around find out complied but it's like buddy What when you watching the fucking guy helped the woman up and they fucking jumped on him and fucking shot him and kill them and You know what they got orders they fucking someone fucking told me to do that So I just fucking I love this country man. I know what I'm a liberal child. Bubba, but I love America I love this country and I get fucking hat sick when I see that stuff It kills me and like said is it's those then on the cops, right? They're fucking they're fucking with the cops Like they're fucking what I mean and people need to fucking React this is not who we are they're literally going up to people Based on what they look like and one guy there was a video held last week the guys like hey He's like where you where are you born? He's like I hear you got an accent man and the guys like you got a fucking hex and so It was like a Hispanic guy like question only guy with his a Hispanic accent I'm not saying they're all bad, but what we're seeing and like they're telling all they can come in your house They can like open your door there. They have impunity. That's that's no that like like being a cop is is being respectful You're we're how you don't wear a fucking mash you show your name you show your face. It's it's fucking insanity It's not America. It's not who we are again. I'm not saying every guy But what I've been seeing there's a lot of fucking mystery and they're acting like assholes And again, they're giving people 50,000 all bonuses these people aren't working all of a sudden Yeah, you got an opportunity to go fucking muscle up some fucking people you don't like it's awful They again, they shot that guy a cold blood I'm done. I love you guys. I love America. I love this country. I just I just fucking don't want to see this from what and hopefully things change Thank you for listening. I was gonna end also on another sad note on I think As we were recording it was put out on on Rasmus Dahlene's fiance Carolina her Instagram that While she went through with this this hard thing that they were expecting their first kid So just a what Dahlene and his wife have been through over the course of this season is like it's it seems like how In the fact that he's still able to play and lead his team throughout this process is remarkable So I just wanted us kind of send some some love towards him and his fiance and their whole family about all the Life's not fair sometimes. He is like the nicest guy in the world. The perfect guy you want leading your franchise. So Shurrowed to her for how strong she's been through this entire situation and I Hope that they're able to to to get everything sorted out and just kind of continue to live their lives in a happy manner So just horrible horrible stuff that they know with Yeah, and it you got to bring up another hockey story that was crushing the college hockey community The director of hockey ops at Michigan State dance sturgis. He passed away suddenly He has two young kids at home and I saw a clip of Coach Nightingale at Michigan State talking He's very powerfully speaking about him and that's just horrible I know Michigan State will be in Penn State. Hopefully we get to hear a little bit about Dan But that hit the hockey community hard. So tough end of the show You know, but that's that's kind of what life is so we're taking a Michigan State and all that and R.A. It's good good to see you once again Thank you everyone who listened thanks to David Andrews. That was awesome Appreciate a ball-nower filling us in on his life and career in the in the past. So we'll see you guys We'll be live together Thursday Horting and we'll we'll be back Friday and we'll talk to them Time So