“Kinsey Is A Feeling” (w/ Lucy Dacus)

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Celestia and I were having a ball because it was just my dumb little face in that gorgeous frame during this amazing song, Most Wanted Man for the entirety of the song. And I was looking at myself in the third person, staring at myself going, that's what I look like. As an object. As an object. No, and do not change the way you've done it. She would never. Our guest is so polite. I hugged my guest on the way in. She's going to the bathroom. I'm leaving. She goes, is this the thing where we're not allowed to talk to each other before? I'm toying with the idea of every time a new guest comes into Las Culturistas, Bowen and I are just on our phones like this. Hey, hey. You imagine what I cannot. Well, one of the highlights of my year slash life was singing with our guest on television on celluloid. Well, that's our guest is here to promote our single. I don't want to miss a thing live from the culture awards. Just kidding. This is the this is a major Grammy winning artist that we have a collab with high five. High five on the fucker. I'm so fucking proud of you. I'm so fucking proud of you. I'm so fucking proud of you. How far you've come from nothing to everything. You came from nothing. When I met you, you were in the dirt. You were in the dirt. You were in the dirt. You took me to the dirt. You took me to the dirt. We're we're in our merry Cosby era. No, our guest is obviously here. She's promoting the Australian Asian legs of her amazing forever. Australian Asian legs like you like me, my Australian Asian legs. And she's born in Brisbane and Asian. The last tour technically May 2026. Yeah. The Asia of America, which is Vancouver. Is that geographically, I think so. Or is that more at tonally tonally? I think there is. I think there is a huge neighborhood in Vancouver called Richmond. I believe she knows that has all of the Asians. No, as if all of our other guests haven't broken in during this moment. That's how you know they're not for real. Forever's a feeling the archives, the bonus tracks, including a Jim Croce cover. The Jim Croce cover, the time in the bottle cover is one of the great covers. But that's our guest is just like one of the one of the great talents. One of the great talents, one of the most beautiful people I've ever seen. Your crush. My crush. I was so fucking proud of you when you shot your shot. You came from nothing. When I met you, you would have never spoken to a man, woman or more. You never would have. I never. Well, I literally didn't speak to this person when I first met them. When I we've talked about this. We've talked about this to each other, but we need to talk about it on the podcast. Okay, everyone, please welcome to your ears Lucy Davis. Welcome. Doing everything not to talk and laugh. I don't need to. I just want to watch. This is like the best seat for just watching you guys talk. I mean, you are right there. This is a great seat, but we are watching and talking with you. The the object of Bowen Young's affection. I know. What do you think? How am I doing? No, actually, I'm sort of useless when it comes to sex. Sexuality with women though. Like he's more of a Kinsey. Are you kidding me? What do you make of this? No, I guess what I mean is like, if it really got down to it and you and I were to date, I'm not saying that like, I know that you're otherwise. Okay. Spoken for spoken for, but I'm just saying like, I do think that Bowen could do more for you. Wow. Okay. I have nothing to add to that. He's a Kinsey. What for? I would say four or five. You can actually find out your number. I think it's more. I think it's just, I think forever is a feeling. I think it's a feeling. Kinsey is a feeling. We're so linked. I'm like, I, how am I going to keep up? Kinsey is a feeling might be title of. Kinsey is a feeling. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Forever's a feeling. I think what you were saying is to Janelle, does that mean eternity is ephemeral? Sure. Okay. I feel like when you feel forever, it's momentary. Oh, beautiful. You said it actually better. I don't know why I repeated it in worse terms. No, I wanted you to confirm it. I'm confirming. That was a leading question though. Yeah. Eternity is ephemeral. That's other alliteration. Other alliteration. Or that's, is that assonance when it's vowels? No, no. That's a real, that's a you question. Y'all were humanities majors, right? I dropped out of college. Did you? Yeah. Very queer. So hit the rope with your music. I'm gonna have a crush on me because you're going to find out something about me and just think that I'm lame. That's the thing about having a crush, right? Is that it's like this place within which you find out something that crashes the whole No. What do you think is the thing about you that we're going to find out that makes us go? Oh, I don't know about it. It's so early. I'll think about that. And I'll just think about whatever we're talking about to tell you. Yeah. You know yours? Sure. This is the reason why I haven't been in a relationship longer than six months is I'm a farter. Oh. Farter a lot. And it's not, it's not good. You know this. Oh, that's intimacy. Honey. Into me you see. Remember that Katy Perry song? I don't. It exists. I don't need that. Yeah. Oh, anyway. Yeah, I've heard the farts. Our bit since college is that it's like an angry Egyptian king. A king. I don't know what the distinction entails. It's sort of like this. Oh, like it's as if it's a very wide sound. It is a wide. It's also it's really like this. You know what I mean? Yeah. Remember the popular. Remember that. Yes. That culture. You just did it. You remember that. Guys, white guys who were trying to be other races were often doing like, oh, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that. I got it. Sort of like was that culture? What were these guys out here in Richmond in high school? I went to, I went to like a nerd high school. So I'm sure that was happening. Oh, so you thought you were somebody. It was Maggie L. Walker governor's school for government and international studies. Excuse me? Why are you president by now? Nobody who wants to be president is okay. Wow. You ate that. I'm going to say something. I'm going to say something controversial. Do it to me. Do not leave my crowd. I thought you were raising your hand to say something controversial. And I was doing that. I'm going to. Bowen, the thing and no one knows is that he's always raising his hand. I'm always raising my hand to speak. Okay. You're right. I, Celestin and I talked about this a lot. And I think you, you and I talked about this. Anyone who aspires to political offices is, is sick in the head. I'm sorry. And anyone who wants to be us being show business is sick in that fucking head. No, no. In a different way. In a more benign way. I think it's so beautiful. We'll cut this out. Yeah. No, it's good. First of all, I don't think it depends largely. I do think that people who want, who is, this is going to come out after all elections. So we're safe. It's the last election ever. Oh my God. Hey, sorry. But I will say like, you can be an egomaniac that does want to do good. Sure. I'm saying like, 100% deeply. A lot of people. You're still an egomaniac at the end of the day, which is a neutral thing. Yeah. Politically minded. Yeah. You can tell she went to high school for government because she knows not so much about brain. Yeah. What was your sort of major? In high school. Well, you did to graduate. You had to take five guys. Yeah. In high school. Well, you did to graduate. You had to take five government courses and you had to take minimum two languages, but they had like 12 languages or something. So then what were your two and five? I took French and Russian. I am not fluent in Russian and I am okay at French. You can speak a little French. No problem. It's kind of like going bowling. Like sometimes I'm on and sometimes I'm off. Right. And that is how bowling is. Yeah. And pool. Yeah. Oh, pool is. When you're good at pool, when you're having a good pool night, sort of very powerful. And I do mean very sexy. Yeah. No, like just in an ungendered way, I think being good at pool is sexy. Yes. Anybody who can make that happen. What is it? What's it connected to in like our biology? Like draping yourself over a surface. Like it is like different position. Like it is like the body orienting itself in different ways. Precision. Precision. And coordination and power, I think. And power, coordination and power. Gliding. Lighting and power. Oh yeah. The lighting is huge. There is also the moment. Yeah. It's like, oh, very, very over. Lucy, what's the moment when someone cracks, cracks a thing and they know they did well and they sort of, they sort of come up, they've done it and then they go. Yeah. They survey it. They're like, yes. You know what I mean? Even alone. I think people that play pool alone are hotter than people that bowl alone. But who are they hot to? Themselves. That's interesting. Having a moment. Bowling alone is. If you're hot in a forest alone, are you hot? Is that kind of the question? Exactly. That's what I'm asking. Are you, I think we should all, let's all go around. Okay. And ask yourself this, are you hot to yourself? I don't think, I think, I think actually yes. I'm hot to myself and in the quiet of my own space. I'm like, yeah. I'm going to be vulnerable. In the mirror, I'm a supermodel to myself. I'm so hot to myself. I look in mirrors and I'm like, this is really good. Lucky me. Another day like this. In all pictures, gremlified. Gremlified. Like truly burn the person in the picture, get out of the picture. Get this picture away from me. But in mirrors, it sort of balances out the ego because it's like, I want to destroy myself or I'm like, well. I'm on amazing. I can't believe it. Well, you are different every day. People don't realize this. Talk more about that. Water distribution, like for some people a monthly cycle is involved. Your brain also and is changing all the time. What you ate will change what you think of yourself. This is your first study in public health at Hopkins. This is what they're telling you. Shout out Elena. Elena. Listen to this. What? Yeah. So thank you Elena. Elena, you legend. Elena is a legend. Whenever I find out someone smart, listen to the podcast. No, all my smartest, coolest friends listen to this. No, we're telling y'all. I will stop now. What? No, this is delightful. I'm happy right now. Lucy. I want to say though, I am very inconsistent person. Sometimes I wake up and like, hell yeah. This rocks. Other times I'm like, I should die. But getting your award for me at the Las Culturas Awards was a real boon. I was like, how did it feel to receive the SANA Award for so fucking hot? It felt amazing that day. I thought maybe, maybe I am hot. So thanks for that day. No, maybe it's about it. Confirmed. Thank you so much. Can I just briefly quickly mention our first meeting, which was, it was seeing Lucy at Forrest Hills. Cause it was, that was a great, that was a great bill. It was Lucy. It was former guest at the show, Axahatchee, Katie Hurchfield and Conor Oberst. And you had just played and then Celeste and I just like got into like the little back area where you were just chilling. And then I turn around and I, it was like starting at the sun. I was like, oh, and I got really shy. You know me. I get shy. Illumineers song played in his heart. Yes. I got so shy. You know, you know, you, but if it's someone that I love, I shut down. I can't speak. Well, it's true. Like he, certain people occupy a space for him where he's completely, he sees like some of the most intimidating people in the world. And then certain people, I can list you, Real House Life of Salt Lake City, Meredith Marks. Well, these are people that have stopped bowing in his tracks. Have a muted muted me. Wow. Have muted my ass. You have muted me. Oh my God. Anyway, I just want my experience of that. Was that, was that you, you thought I didn't like you? I'm going to, I'm going to do what I saw. Oh my God. Do it. Do it. Do it. Cause I remember this too because I kind of lit up and I was about to be like, hey, we had a moment. You're not wrong. But he turned away. But here, this is what it was. It was, Bowen, you can't do that because you have to accept your bow and yang because you can't. Which I thought distinctly was like, don't fucking talk to me. No, it was me going full, catatonia, non-verb, non-verbalia. I probably, I like to go up and talk to people because everyone actually does like that to not have to be the first one to do it. So you might as well just fall on the floor and be wrong occasionally. Yeah. And just like bounce back, just like grow up. Cause it's not the end of the world if that doesn't go. If someone doesn't want to talk to you and also that might have to do again with their mood and you just be like, cool, you didn't sleep well or you just got bad news. Yeah. I'm going to walk away. Yeah. But most of the time people go from that face to smiling and they have this front because everyone is in their own head about. Of course. Who they are and what they're doing. Yeah. But I was like, I'm going to leave it be. And now look at us. And now look at us. Everything worked out and it literally worked out in a song you guys have on Spotify. True. Okay. Think about that. Highlight. Think of this no greater expression of love than uploading something on Disproak. Covering Aerosmith. Covering Aerosmith. Yeah. Did you know the song beforehand? Yeah. How do you not? I don't remember not knowing this song. I'm just saying it's like not everyone knows every song, but that is a quite a famous song. It is. I think the most wonderful song. It's a really good song. Yeah. It's so fun. I love that I was the low harmony. You all got to shine. Me too actually. I love that. But Lucy Degas on a Diane Warren song is so powerful, I think. I'm not doing research that often on things I like. Because if I like it, it just completed what it was meant to do. 100%. It exists in its own. In a way that's like antithetical to y'all's podcast because I feel like culture loving people. We don't know. And informationally, we're very, very bad. Very illiterate with when it comes to us. I know some things. I think sometimes, I actually feel the opposite. Sometimes I know a lot of things about things and I'll realize like, oh, I haven't seen that movie. Like, I guess we can reveal now, you know what movie we still haven't watched? The Godfather. Right. We said months ago on the podcast, there was one of the most famous movies in American history. And we were teasing what it was we didn't say. Can confirm now it's The Godfather. It's The Godfather? We've still not seen it. Have a movie night. We should. Sure. We watched Paddington 2 movie night after we kept it as a reward after the year of doing stuff together. We're like, and once the Grammys are over, we will watch Paddington 2. Why Paddington 2? Why not Paddington 2? I heard it's such a joy. It's a joy, but it also is so weird. Paddington goes to jail. Right, as I heard. They have like a banner that is like a embroidered banner that says, prison, sweet prison. Yeah. Well, that seems misleading. Who's coming up with that? The Brits. The Justice System. But I mean, it's like a delightful time and they were like, what is going on? Does he get out of prison? Yeah. Okay. I guess he's not still there. Yeah, I'm sorry. Spoilers on Paddington 2. I haven't seen Paddington 1 or 3. Is there a 3? Paddington goes to Peru. Oh, yeah. Jail then Peru. Jail then Peru. Jail to Peru pipeline. Yeah. I don't know about that, but it's a, what is it? Kinsey is a feeling. It's Kinsey is a feeling. Which I do really like. That is good. This is not a test you take. I think we were, to go back to that conversation, it is a feeling. And I'm landing myself at a 4, between a 4 and a 5. So between 0 and 6, 0 being full hat, 6 being full homo. So like, I mean, what would you say, where would you say you are? A 6. I'm a 6. Okay. Yeah. I'm just a gay guy. I'm just a little bit of the gay guys. I don't want you to tell us the number. I want you to just think about it. And then once you've, once you've confirmed it, just, just let us know. Cause this is to be huge news. No, we're not, we're not going to, this isn't the scoop. Is that your thinking position? You got Galaxy Brain, Lucy. Galaxy Brain. We were top, did you decide the number? Yeah. You look content with the number. I feel good about myself. You know yourself. Yeah. What's so cool is you can know yourself and other people don't have to. Oh. I don't know what that's like. That's the opposite of my experience. I don't know myself and other people seem to seem to know everything about me. Yeah. Yeah. Which is not true. So speaking of knowing things about you and sharing that information, we hope that you, you know, keep anything to yourself you want, but there's a question that's the central question of our podcast. We must ask it. Okay. This is Lucy Davis. What was the culture they made you say culture was for you? I thought way back. Yeah. And there's early loves and childhood, but I think the thing that really like got my spark going is the Muppets. Let's go. The Muppets came to my mind this morning. How did he do that for you? I don't know. Actually, you know what? I was, I was talking about the, the new Ryan Murphy show, All's Fair, which is this Kim Kardashian legal drama that has Glenn Close and Sarah Paulson and Tana Taylor. And I was like, the cast of a Ryan Murphy show, you would not be surprised to hear it be like it's Kermit and Merrill Street. Kermit and Mel Street play each other sex slaves. And that's by night and by day, they're elementary school teachers. That's like a Ryan Murphy show. It's Kermit and Merrill. And it's very raw. It's very sexual, but it's emotional and very fun. Why am I so seated? You, of course, you can see it. And that's the power of Ryan Murphy. I know. And we're talking Merrill today. Of course Merrill today. You can't get it from before. Okay. Sure. Yeah. She's not getting any younger and I hate saying that to everyone. But she is getting more fabulous all the time. It's just exponential. Of course. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. What was your first exposure to the Muppets? I feel like my grandma's house, my grandma would tape things and she had a bunch of Muppets show tapes. Or maybe before being able to tape things, you just bought the VHS. Oh, right. And that and then the Christmas Muppets offerings. The Muppet Treasure Island. Muppet Treasure Island. Come on. We got Kevin Fever. Oh my, the fits. I love that you said the fits. Well, you did acknowledge Ms. Piggy in one of your awards, which I'm glad because whose mood board does not include Ms. Piggy. I don't know a person. Yeah. There's no one who's not referencing and bowing down to. No one I respect. No one I respect. Yeah. No, no, no. There's probably people who it's not in mind, but their minds are uninteresting. I would agree. Oh my God. Yes. Well, Ms. Piggy is one of those examples in pop culture where she's clearly the amalgamation of like all of these old Hollywood tropes and yet she transcends them. Do you know what I mean? It's like, oh, the sum is greater than the parts. I'm sorry. Like I'm sorry to whatever the, you know, the Betty Davis is or whatever, like the old. The trick Marlene is or it's, um, although, although Ms. Piggy hasn't really had like a queer moment, like Marlene, I feel like Ms. Piggy should go full. That we know of. Yeah. That's Ms. Piggy. Like she knows so much more about herself than we know. It's actually really cool. It's your number. Yeah. Ms. Piggy knows so much more about herself than we know. I just think Ms. Piggy, Ms. Piggy is Ms. Piggy is allowed to be violent. Would you say this? Yeah. There's a lot 100% that is. I'm not putting everything. I'm not gotcha. No, I think, no, I think a lot of, I think violence has a very important place in everyone's life. That's the poke. You have a very important like radical queer artist Lucy Vegas champions violence and Ms. Piggy on on Las Colturas podcast. Oh my God. Some people deserve it. Yeah. It's so true. Every time Ms. Piggy said hi, it was warranted. And I think that was a thing that like was really important in the establishment of her is like she was not a violent woman. No, she was driven to violence. No, no, she has priorities, which are her hair and her shoes and the violence is getting in the way of these things. It's like very much important to her. Yes. Obviously if it's superseding her excellence and how she looks. Wow. Her number one thing when she wakes up in the morning, Ms. Piggy opens her eyes. Do her eyes ever close? Yes. I've seen her eyes close. Okay. Blinking is. You're right. Okay. So she does open her eyes and then she thinks, how can I entertain the world? So anything that's going to come between her and her purpose. Is that canon or is that your feeling? She famously wants to do a show. Oh yeah. She does. She does a show. She's at the vanity. She's at the vanity. She's beating her face. She's ready to go on. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel like common refrain set around her is like almost time for places. I do also feel like the high fem of it all is like and with Kermit, there's something just maybe Ms. Piggy hasn't had her queer moment, but I'm like, maybe she is. It's already kind of, there is a queer ring of the romance there, right? Like it's interspecies. It is. Wait, it's pigs are queer? If a pig was fucking a frog. I think that's queer. That's queer. I think if you saw that, you would say gay rights. I thought you were reading like Science Daily or something until you like, okay, I would love to find that out. I would love to find that out. They're very smart animals. George Clooney had a pig. That was one of the big famous celebrity facts from the nineties. George Clooney has a pig. Sweet. Are you going to visit the pig cafes in Japan when you're there? I don't even know those exist, but yeah, now. Text me recommendations. I'm starring everything on my map. When are you going to be there? February 18th and then a whole week after. You're going to be there for Sumo season, I think. For like the Sumo, I've never been, I want to go so badly. We're going to just miss it, I guess. You're going to be there before? January. We're there the second half of January. For fun? Yes. It's Bowen's birthday trip. Very excited. Cute. He, Kawaii even. What? Don't give me a dirty look. What if I make my whole thing Japan when I come back? Like I'm like, I'm so happy. Like I'm Kawaii. You wouldn't be going to Stephanie. You would be like respectful. Well, not that. No, no, I wouldn't. Just kidding. Can you imagine? You would make a cultural appropriation announcement. That's how they do it back in the day. That'd be better than what other people are doing. Yeah. People are just embodying it. No thoughts. Yeah, truly. Yeah. Have you been there before? No. I'm very excited. And then, and the group is going. Like the band? Friends. Oh yeah. We have some friends that are going to meet us there. The whole band is staying because we're getting over there. So why not? Why not today? New tour bus there? Or are you going to get a ball train? No, it's one show. I thought it was multiple. Well, Australia is all part of Laneway Fest, which is like a traveling festival. So they, I think they fly you from city to city. What I really hope is that it's a big plane and all of the artists get to be on the same plane and hang out on a plane. Yeah. But I don't know if that's what happens. You can request that. Yeah. For everyone to change their plans. On a plane, are you like very social? No, but people want me to be. Yeah. I just feel in an Uber, like everyone is talking to me. Everyone turns and is like, oh my God. My childhood trauma is this. Or my dreams are. We just had this. We were finishing with a swamp tour where it was pouring rain. We were all wet rat, round rat. We get an unprompted, this man, lovely man. I'm not saying drivers can't speak, obviously. I don't want that to be the implication here. The life story. But it was unprompted. Like, well, September of 1978, my family moved from Shreveport to New Orleans. And it was, it was, it was astounding. And we, somehow I was hanging onto everywhere. I was like, okay, well, I'm invested now. Yeah. How long was the drive? 45 minutes. Okay. Yeah. It was up there and it didn't stop. In the last five minutes it stopped, but only because I think he had exhausted himself. He had given us every date in event of his life. It really, it really is crazy. I wish, I wish I was that captain. Yeah. Meet real contestants. Oh my God. No way. And celebrity saboteurs. We could pause. Carnage. No. Sabotage. Watch me, Sam Thompson, Judy Love, Joel Domet and GK Barry. Bring in the madness. And the mayhem. Celebrity Sabotage starts Saturday 21st of March on ITV1 and ITVX. I have a question for you because I've been thinking about this, this conversation that you've had with Janelle a lot, especially in this like go to the party sense, like self care culture is sort of insulating us in a way that maybe is not, that is, that is precluding like actual connection with other people. Like, so let's say where you're, people are talking at you or on the plane, everyone wants to talk to you. At what point do you go, I should, I should, I should reach out and connect. I should put out my own feelers. At what point are you doing that versus, well, I just want to be in my own space. I think as a role, I have the over the headphone noise canceling headphones on with nothing happening in there at a point until I am seated. And I do most of my like listening to music for the first time on a plane because I'm like super focused or like movies always make me cry on a plane. But I have had people like tap me on the shoulder, talk to me, I put it back, tap me on the shoulder. There was this guy that tapped me on my shoulder and it's like, yeah, he was like, people don't connect enough these days. Which is not wrong. And I was just like, yeah. And I was like, I really was looking forward to and planning on listening to something. So I hope you have a great flight. But I'm going to go back, you know, I try to be like, and then he did it again. And I was like, okay, here we go. Six hours. And he told me some of the worst stuff I've ever heard. He, he like, he works for the military. Right. And he loads bombs onto planes. And he's like, I love my job because I can see the effect of my work in the paper the next day. What? And I was like, I want you to answer this. How do you sleep at night? I want you to tell me this isn't rhetorical. How do you sleep at night? What he said? And he was just like, I'm just proud of defending my country. And I was just like, I think that what you're contributing to is morally reprehensible. And I hope that the weight of people's lives like weighs you down at some point. And like, all I can hope for you is change. But also like he had, he's like, look at my phone background. And it was a like big chested topless woman and Daisy Duke's fishing. And I was like, Oh, is that your girlfriend? He's like, no, that I'm aspiring to that. Yeah. He's not a fast drink. Like he was just at me like trying to get something like from me. And I, but what he got was like, I think that you are a terrible person. Yeah. And I think that he wanted that a little bit. Yeah. I don't know if the people with sour hearts want to be seen or like, do they think that there is something to people like that being like, yeah, get into it. Let's get into a back and forth with me. I want to be like challenged. You know what I mean? Like it's it. And in a way, I'm like, I would like if you want to be challenged, are you opening a door? Cause like if you are, if you have to put words to what you're doing, or is that going to change something for you? I don't know. We don't, we don't get to change people. Right. But I don't think you, I don't think he wanted to be challenged. I think people like that I'm going to project and surmise. People who like murder. Well, yeah. Are people who like something is like a little bit, their internal sense of morals are kind of all over the fucking place. Yeah. What? He, he, he works out every day. And the funniest thing he said was, I feel my muscles atrophy as I'm sitting here. Cause he wasn't actively working out. He had me like, he loved to do it that much. Oh, he had you touch his arm. He takes whatever that thing is that helps you keep water weight. Creatine. Creatine. Or whatever. Yeah. We take it from behind the sandals. Everyone like a bunch of hot girls. I know are taking creatine. Creatine's a thing. And I started taking it a little bit and it has helped with like some, some bulk or some muscle. Amazing. Yeah. You would love this guy. It sounds like. You love this guy. Yeah. He's on my phone background. I'm aspiring to. Do you think when he looks in the mirror, he thinks he's hot? Oh yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, so then that's an example of like, you're putting your own sort of mechanisms at work in terms of connection. And this is someone that you're like, I've learned what I should know about you. And I've made an assessment that like this is these are the limits of my connection. Well, even like it is still connecting when you are learning someone that you dislike. And that's informative too. It can be like a homing device for your own values. Totally. I was just like, wow, I guess I do know who I am because there are people like that. That repulse you. You know, yeah. And like, and also it's just like heartbreaking too. I'm like your life one day, hopefully you will find that it was for nothing and meaningless. So this is supposed to be fun. We can talk about culture. This is culture. Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. Pardon. No, this guy like is direct. Like this guy's day is so directly linked to people's like mass death. Most people are on planes, I will say like, I don't know if you thought we were on planes. I'm always fascinated by just how many people are watching Fox News on the plane. Like there was a guy in front of us on the plane yesterday who was watching Fox News. And then he watched the film. Miss Pettergrew lives for a day, which I can say I know the title of the movie just by seeing the actresses on screen. It was Francis McDormand and Amy Adams. I am again, a Kinsey six gay. Kinsey is a feeling. I feel strongly gay. Okay. And then I was watching it and I was like, wow, what is the Fox News to Miss Pettergrew lives for a day pipeline? But then a lot of gay guys are Republicans. You hear about Grindr crashing out at the conventions. These guys are gay. They love Miss Pettergrew lives for a day. They live for Francis McDormand and they're gay and they're voting against us. They're going home. They're having sex in the butt and they're coming to work and they're sending out bombs. Like for that guy to be into big titted Fisher girl. It's horseshoe theory to something. It's a little like suspicious that you really had to show me that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like gender maxing in a way that is like, huh, you know what I mean? Yeah. It has to be rooted in like, I'm like, look how much of a man I am feel my arm. Look at my bombs. Want to see what I want to fuck ain't nothing more cis than this. Like it's just like it's it's a it's an Olympic feat. And to do this on a plane when someone is captive is also very. Yeah. Well, I'm like, that's also like, like pussy behavior to have a captive audience. Oh, of course. Oh yeah, I can say whatever. I'm like, you just you just you are I'm powerless in the situation and that's what's fun. Yeah. But then but then what's what's great is here you are telling telling the story. And now we all actually intrinsically know exactly what this guy looks like. I love when people just don't know who they're talking to we're dealing with or they forget like for have you have you listened to the Lily Allen album yet? No, I would really like to what's so shocking is so, you know, I won't name names, but it's sensibly about her very famous ex husband. And this guy marries Lily Allen, right? Like some of these people will fully marry or start dating these like really like evocative singer songwriters. And then at some point they'll forget and they'll do the craziest shit to them. And then you get this album written about you and your choices. And it's like, yeah, I guess you just forgot who you married. Like what is like and then people will be like the whole she wrote a song about me thing that like that happens in culture. It's like you but you knew who you were dealing with in the beginning and artists. It wasn't a reveal. It wasn't a job reveal. And if it is a reveal, then wow, you really didn't value the relationship that you were in or see the person. Yeah, it's a fucking you really got to get right with yourself before dating an artist. I think you're going to get depicted and you should have a life that you would be proud of being depicted 100%. And then here you are like with another artist. How do you feel about being depicted? Like, have you guys talked about that? Yeah, for sure. I mean, we like it. We like it. Yeah, we like it. Yeah, because we like each other. Right. And I would say for the most part we are right with ourselves. But I if I write something, I'll show it and be like, are you cool with this? And then usually answers yes. And if the answer is like, ah, this detail feels a little like something or other, like we'll just talk about it. Guess what? That's a relationship. Yeah, you can just talk about it. You can just talk about it. Valuing the other person for holistically who they are, because probably one of the big reasons you fell in love is because of that talent and that gift and that access to your emotions and being able to channel that and funnel that into your work, which connects with so many people. I love your brain. Like if you're feeding me through your brain, like what that's such a privilege. Favorite Muppet. Favorite Muppet. I mean, it is Miss Piggy. Gonzo rocks. Obviously. What do you think of Fawzi Bear? I love Fawzi Bear. Do you not like Fawzi Bear? I think you're a Fawzi Bear. Maybe that's what it is. Like I know I am Fawzi Bear. So you see yourself. Do you think I'm Fawzi Bear? You're a little bit Fawzi, a little bit Gonzo. A little bit Piggy. A little bit Piggy for sure. Also Pepe the King prawn. Do you know that's kind of a, yeah. Of course. The little hair going everywhere. Just the eye, the mouth. Swedish chef. Swedish chef. I like beaker. Beaker so. Yeah. I'm Bunsen. He's beaker for sure. How are y'all not Piggy and Kermie? No. No. Burton Ernie? No. The hecklers. Oh yes. That one in Waldorf. Yeah. Is that not your position? Like is this not your box at the theater? By the way, you want to know my favorite joke of all time? No, please. It's at the end of and rest in peace. The Muppets 3D show at Disney World and the Statler and Waldorf are in their little, I call them the Lincoln seats. They're up in the box. And the show is over and they're like, we got to go. And then the other one goes, we can't, we're bolted to the seats. And I was just like, I love that. They really broke the fourth wall there because they are puppets. They are bolted to the seats. They're never leaving. And then the horror crept in because I realized they're never leaving. They're never leaving. Well, now they are because they demolish the building. Oh, that's why RIP. Okay. I was like, who died? They're making a new Monsters Inc. The dream died. Okay. The dream died. RIP, the dream. Well, the dream lives on with the Monsters Inc. Yes. Okay. So don't worry about them up. It's they're moving to Rock and Roll. I hate a lot of what I know. You know what I mean? That was real. Oh my God. Well, this is a news outlet. Frankly. He keeps up with it. Yeah. I don't, I say that with no judgment. I know. Sometimes I'll come on here and I'll just use an opportunity for the podcast to like break news and theme parks to the readers. Are you theme park? Like you love theme parks. Yeah. I mean, it didn't start out ironically. Now it's kind of ironic. It's just one of those industries that I keep up with. It's like an, it's like one of my synapse fires when I'm finding out what's being built. Do you know anything about Kings Dominion in Virginia? Yeah. Cause that was, that was my haunt. Was it? That was like some of my early moments without parents. Was going to Kings Dominion. Was going to Kings Dominion. That, that's a whole culture in and of itself. Talk to us about that. Well, like the parents think, oh, they'll be safe because it's all, we're in the parking park and they can't get in and out. It's not a summer camp. And there are drugs at the park. A hundred. Not to sound like a conservative talking head, but like there are. There's drugs in the park. Everybody's like, like first people, like smoking weed. Like people are hooking up at the park. All of the regular childhood meannesses that have to come out are happening at the theme park. The wave pool. Don't never touch a wave pool. No, never get into the wave pool. Never get into the wave pool. Why is there a wave pool at Kings Dominion at a medieval themed park? It's not medieval. Oh, I'm sorry. But Kings, you would think so that it's Kings Dominion. What's the aside? I've never, there's nothing general. There's sections. There's like the kids area that was peanuts. Yeah. There's like a Nickelodeon area. Maybe there's not anymore. There's like kind of a jungly area, the Anaconda and the volcano. That one has a couple good roller coasters. Yeah. Kings Dominion. And then there's like the section of like just new, like, oh, this is the tallest, whatever. Right. This is the fastest fall. And that's just, there's no theme. It's just, I guess. Chaos. Chaos. Now you would, it was your haunt. Like you would be skipping Russian to go to Kings Dominion during the day or this is like summer hang. Like where, like how would you, how would you find yourself there? It was mostly middle school. And definitely like kids had birthday parties. Weirdly the pizza at Kings Dominion was different than all the other pizza I've ever had. It's like kind of puffy. Puffy pizza. I love puffy pizza. Yeah. Like kind of puffy. Like it was good. Like I wish that you could order. Kind of slutty. Like it sounds really bad, but it's kind of good. So puffy in terms of like the cheese was rich or puffy bread. The dough was bubbling up. The dough was bubbling up. Glutinous as fuck. Glutinous as fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, the cheese was probably bad, but I probably liked it. God. Remember being that age and being like, I'm going to go eat some puffy pizza, right? Dip and dots. Dip and dots. And treat my body like garbage. The future of ice cream. Isn't that their tagline? Yes. The future of ice cream. Because they turned out to not really be the future of ice cream, huh? Because where are the dots now? I mean, I did have dip and dip and dots at Niagara Falls recently and that was cool. I recommend this entire experience, but you have to go on the maiden of the mist. Lady of the Mist, maiden of the Mist. Made of the Mist. As a child, I've not done this in my adult life. It's actually so cool. It's an incredible place. It's like one of the wonders of the world, but to look at it, it's great, but made of the mist, like you're in the water. Your whole vision whites out. It's very sublime. My whole family were like, we'll do this because we're on tour and then everyone came out, like kind of changed and awed by it. Which you don't have anymore. The sublime is harder and harder to reach. The sublime is harder and harder to reach. That's a real culture. Yes. Which one is that? That's a real culture. Number two. The sublime is harder and harder to reach. He defined awe the other day. Can you do it now? Awe. The things that you need, the ingredients you need for awe are psychological safety, which of course we don't have anymore because we are constantly surveilled. We're watching ourselves in the third person that leads to more self judgment and self, whatever, just like self modulation of behavior. I never want to be perceived. Over the years, I've wanted to be perceived less and less because I'm perceiving myself all the time every week and I'm like, less of that please. Anyway, you need psychological safety. You need connection. Awe's best experience with other people. Yeah. And I forget the third thing, but it's these things that are fraying at the edges with the advancement of certain technologies. Yeah. And so I'm going to Niagara Falls, made in the midst, sounds about right with your bandmates. There's a bit of awe out there. Maybe this is even why this came up. We recently went on the alligator swamp tour. Now, before Florida, we were in New Orleans. New Orleans. So before you ask, no, it was not with Lana Del Rey's husband. Okay. We thought about it. Okay. But we would have had to travel. An extra hour. An extra hour to get. He's doing that job. He's doing the job. Wow. I can't imagine how his job has changed. Lana must be big for you. Yeah. She's a great songwriter. She DM'd me to open for her. I don't know if people realize this, but the like Norman fucking Rockwell tour, a lot of those shows she booked herself. Yeah. I don't know why, but she like emailed the venues and was like, hello, I'm Lana Del Rey. I would like to come through this venue on the state. I feel nervous. I'm always nervous talking about other people. Of course, of course, of course. No, no, no, no, this is what I think is documented. People can know this. Yeah. This is documented. And then she DM'd a ton of people to open like only days prior. And I ended a tour in Michigan and she was like, do you want to open in Chicago in two days? Sick. We were like, yeah, I'll be there in a sec. And you happen yeah, oh yeah, that's awesome Like that that's a good one to one But we do you think we experienced the sublime well because I think we did because yes We did we again it was not Mr. Del Ray Which actually was fine because I was like, you know, maybe we should just keep that lore I separate so we have this amazing man has named Captain Kelly and we get out into the swamp and Just to see like a wild Alligator short of swim up like a dog like literally like the the airboat would stop and The alligator would swim up to us know that it meant we were he was gonna get fed by Captain Kelly I'm panting Like and literally swimming up and then it was kind of adorable and cute Yeah, because it would just sit there with its mouth open like this and The captain would feed it and someone goes well, he's so nice How long have you known this alligator and the guy was like nah, he would get me he would he would bite me and get me If I'm lucky, I still have my fingers Yeah, I'm sorry my fingers and hit because he was sort of saying like it seems like we I have a relationship with this reptile But it's still a alligator. It would be good. Yeah, this was all for me like watching the alligator that it was over 12 feet long Oh my gosh, that's too long guys That's too long guys or three or three short guys and it was thick and then Captain Kelly tapped the back of the carapace What's that the word? Is that the word? Okay Were you trying to define the skill? I think so Person in the room to ask for the carapace is Okay, not it as just to confirm the the appropriate terminology This is this is when you reveal that your high school was sort of like a all-all reptile I'll gator high school all gators Back the back the back but he tapped on it and it was it was hollow Hullo and hard of the boat. Yeah, no of the back of the alligator's back the carapace And then he tapped so he tapped the the boat and it sounded the same as when he tapped the back of the alley The whole of the yeah, yeah Wait what? Basically the alligator's back was really hard. Oh, okay, okay But then they had us hold the baby alligator and I was so shook because it just felt like a little sack of meat Was it kind of like? Yeah Oh Captain Kelly tried to scare me Because I was the most I was the most skittish around holding the alligator That's like one thing about me like I don't need to touch the animals and yet you went out of your way to I was Last and experienced off having the experience of all visually was one thing But then like all right everyone now we're gonna hold an alligator like I don't know you you sort of I liked the alligator You liked it. Yeah Would you hold a koala? No, I don't think so I don't need to hold any animals. I really don't would you pet an animal Yes, I would I would I would say I'm pretty good with domestic animals But like in terms of like animals at the zoo and stuff like I don't need to pet it Like I don't need to feel the scales like you know, yes That's respect the distance. Yeah, totally, right? Yeah You don't really get to ask because they can't really tell you yes or no, right? It also felt like everyone else did it so then if I'm the one person who doesn't do it Hmm, I guess like yeah, give me give me the alligator There's this huge thing where musicians go and hold koalas when they tour Australia. Yes, you done this. I've done this. Yeah I'm not a musician. Okay, but you are a great singer. Let's talk about this. Well, both of you have incredible voices That's kind of you But you stand in line and on either side of the line are koalas asleep because they sleep like 20 hours a day And they just wake up to eat bamboo and it makes them high and they go back to sleep It makes them high make some high maybe with the eucalyptus eucalyptus. That's what thank you So they don't got x their drug addicts. Yeah, they're just out. Yeah, they all have chlamydia. So it's this like Not hub sanctuary for the koalas. I guess the sanctuary is a hub. Yes, but I like the arrow Smith of animals Because Okay, good drug addicts and they fuck it's actually real culture number 30 koalas are the arrow Smith of animals Because they're drug addicts and they fuck How are you guys like Also, I want to tell you that arrow Smith used to be on rock and roller coaster and now they're getting replaced with the muppets Which is probably why they were top of mind for that rule of culture. Yeah, so they are out of rock and roller coaster The rules are Okay, but so then does this mean what you've got I held a call and you're like, oh, it's gonna be cute and cuddly But then you get there and their claws are like this and They have heft to them and I'm like holding this koala and it like looks at me like Like in the eyes and I'm like I'm holding like a dinosaur or something like I can't believe I'm Touching touching history like wow koala. You're famous Everyone knows about you Significant right and then they're like and on the way out if you want to go touch them kangaroos go ahead And they just open a gate unsupervised you can go touch a hundred kangaroos You wait in line for the koala and then as if they don't matter They just are like by the way There's a bunch of kangaroos and they hand you food and you can go and like hug and touch and hang out with them For as long as you want Which I'm like, I would stand in line for you in life for kangaroos But this is the reason why kangaroos are sort of in an open pen Without supervision is because they are basically rodents in Australia. Yeah, they want to get rid of them Yeah, yeah, they are selling kangaroo meat at the grocery store. I can't stand the way they reproduce Have you seen it? No Essentially too little my stomach kind of hurts though. Well, you're gonna tell me something weird Go ahead Lucy Dekas just pukes our first guest to throw up all over the white table. Oh my Through up all over the white table Don't tell us about the kangaroo. Yeah, look it up I don't even want to get into it because if here's one thing that will happen if you throw up I will go should we like stop talking about it throw up Rachel forget it forget it She takes the pictures and she's gonna throw up Bowen you bow and yang Start farting. I start farting. I'm sure someone breaks up with me again No one's broken up with you We're off no one's broken up with you because of the fart they not not they've not said as much maybe it's hard to say Yeah, maybe it's hard to say Yeah Well, I've only been broken up with like hardcore like once oh, but it was sort of like amorphous and like Well, that's it on clear, but it's fine. It's in the past. Okay. It is kind of nice To know concrete reason, you know what I mean? Yeah, like cuz that cuz then you can deal with it Whereas like if it's like an amorphous thing Like so you Someone was like sorry about it was the farts. I'd be like great. Okay. Yeah, I'll work on that Oh, it's better. It's better like it's clear that it's the other person's problem Like if you're so shallow like then they're just They're counting themselves out of the running if you can't have me at my farting you can't have me at my vomit Sure You know Was the last time To me you're like you're nine years old right now Because I'm losing my battle every single night with smoking too much weed and eating food, okay So I go too much weed and then I ordered a lemon chicken mashed potatoes zucchini Okay, and avala magna soup. How do you say this? It was I think it was all of it together I just got so excited about how good it was that you ever eat too fast because of this reason You know I'm saying you know I'm saying then I thought am I gonna throw up for the first time in and I couldn't even remember the last Thru up that's didn't though thought I would thought you would okay. What's what are you and Katie Gavin like on the tour bus? Y'all like to know Answer that I Don't remember I can't I can tell it probably was like a I I I Used to be able to drink like a lot and not feel anything Sure, and I didn't start drinking till I was like 21 like after cuz I was like afraid of it I grew up kind of afraid of it. Mm-hmm, and then recently it's like I'll have like two glasses of wine and I'll be like I'm sick Yeah, so I just like don't really drink that's good and yeah This is happening to many people in my life You realize it really is just poison. It is just poison. Yeah, you feel the poison working on yes It's like a sick feeling and not a fun feeling. Yeah, sure But you and Katie are you what are you all order? What are y'all eating? I want to know what are we eating? Well, we have catering which is nice because there's so many people That's like over 20 people that we have to be everyone's so busy And so you don't really have time to go out and so we'll get like fruits and veggies But caterers on the bus not on the bus like at the venue. Oh great, but what is what is Katie eating? I don't know chicken nuggets separate buses, which maybe is you know sad no, we would have been having such fun We are we are going to dinner in LA which we should all go to dinner Where are you going all I know you're going to all time. I haven't gone that we went to Spina, which is like I like Spina. Yeah, I like it too. You know what I go all the time superb a super I'm always at superba superba. I love Bacari and Bacari Bacari Silver Lake, okay good date spot. All right. I don't know bring your artist Bring your artist No one knows who it is Yeah, secret secrets secrets. I would love dinner with y'all I would get all hot and being back here gets me hot in the face When we were in Coachella and you guys Face-timed. Oh, that was a big Well, I just I I forget that you can just use your phone Yeah, you're just at any point just like someone can get into your life I just realized I have when I now have a song with Lucy and Katie. Oh Get on my level now That's so amazing and I'll perform it at my tour Christmas in December get your tickets at Matt routers official.com You know what you're getting with a wedding wedding hats a Baby in a waistcoat crying throughout the vows themed tables awkward best man speech The plus one People dancing in a circle Ruin drental suit Sometimes in life. You just know what you're getting like a luxury bed and a great night's sleep You know what you're getting with premier in I'm whispering because as the queen Queen of social media is about time for my as gem all serious So I'm recording this on my phone and then I'm going to use canva to edit and upload it. Oh, sorry, babes Anyways, canva makes social media edits so easy. I'll upload this in a minute Make everything iconic. How do I stop recording? This is I don't think so any this is our segment where we take one minute to really go off on something in culture It's a polemic it is really Destructive and that's what we need more if we do our job I have something Okay, yeah Yeah, we've because you said you had five options around things but you feel strongly about one thing Well, I feel strongly about all of them But not all of them am I willing to hear what other people have to say I understand So what do you think about the idea of you just kind of telling us what they all are? Okay, okay, I'll do the whole I'll do how many minutes you got later. We can do this. We got minutes. Yeah We got minutes but for first one minute for me then bow Then Lucy Davis, okay, I'm ready. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many times starts now I don't think so honey Avatar fire and ash trailer. What is it about? What is the movie about cuz I mean like I know That is a lot is happening. Yes I know there's a lot of screaming explosions and more but I do need to know the story of the film I understand also the trailer is very international it being a very international movie. This will make billions of dollars I'm sure I'm so happy for everyone involved, but I do need to know what the movie is about. I understand that Like we don't really go for the story, but it would be nice to know, you know, I'm saying Would you say what way of water was about? Oh the water I guess the baby was strong It's like what do you remember from avatar way of water? My baby is strong She was a singer of songs etc 15 seconds Give me some lines of dialogue that is not just like a na-vi screaming through the air landing on a spacecraft Like I understand the humans are definitely bad again. We love that I was once told I look like Jake Sully avatar version not Sam Worthington And that's one minute and don't and you want to think it's a compliment No, no, that was just sort of an additional fact. I wanted to throw on there You feel connected. You do think so honey about that Can I say something when someone was like you look like Jake Sully look like Jake Sully I was like, okay, and then I saw him and I was like not only do I kind of get it, but I'll take it Yeah, what's the gorgeous proportions? Like I think it was it's like the long nose and like the big eyebrows and like sort of like the like ectomorphic positioning yeah ectomorphic positioning there's a There's a morph and there's mesomorphs Ectomorph is long and lean like the cold Kidman so everyone is either an ectomorph or a mesomorph I think I think it's plots on a spectrum. Okay. Yeah the morph spectrum. I'm I trust him or an animal Yeah, or an animal or an animal What would your animal be? That's a cult. That's a culture. That is absolutely a culture. What would my anamorph be? I know Bear maybe but what what is my hair is really good. Is that it? Is that no what were you gonna say? Yes I don't know for some reason I saw you and this has nothing to do with what you think but I saw you becoming an ant eater Taper Yeah taper like For some reason yes, okay. Oh, those are really nice animals. Okay. Are they nice an ant eater? They're eating the ants. I'm happy. Yeah, thank God. You don't like ants. I really don't like ants Yeah, it's one of those things we probably should appreciate more because you know, they have a function in society What's a function again? There's gotta be something with like the soil there has got to be something I like my skin is culture I like the culture. Yeah, they worship one woman. I like that. Oh, yeah There's a queen ant is a queen. Do you know how old old ants can get how old the oldest ant is 30 years old Yeah, flirty really really Really old. Yeah, that is so old. That's one of my funnest facts. We found out that The alligators we saw can live to 75 or 80. Oh my gosh And the big one named Benjamin that I was discussing earlier was approximately 60 years old the same age Kelly Kelly What was I gonna say about How are we something amazing avatar? Oh, yeah, I think I think most of the movies are about Them jumping on planes, you know, like or them like roaring She was a singer of songs. What is what an interesting line? I mean what what's happening is I think avatar one was about like, okay, we're seeing the planet Like, you know what I mean? Like we're getting accustomed to it They're all supposed to be like colonialism is bad. Yeah, correct Okay, I think avatar two was obviously about our great oceans or rather Pandora's create oceans and then fire and ash I think is gonna have to do with I don't know I guess like the skies or something and apparently this is a lot of fire Alligourney doing earth water fire. Are they gonna do air feels like the logical progression? Okay, I feel like air has already been in the movies. They've been flying around. They've been flying around. Yeah much This is this is my thought I might be wrong But to put out movies that are like colonialism is bad like right, but it's too late. You know what I mean It's like what are we gonna do about it? It's still happening. What's still happening, but you're right totally Yeah, yeah, maybe that's not the point. Well, it's about responsibility once that is the case by the mindset of colonialism, yeah, of course, yeah Respect and responsibility once you've established a reality that is taken from something else. It's like you must now Honor the fact that like it's you know, it's essentially being like yeah reparations Also, it's like maybe it's too late to have happened. It's not too late to try and correct correct give land back. Yes, right You will never be one of the people That's exactly what the line was. Yeah, and then that's from something. That's my avatar Okay We sell a danya. Thank you for and she won an Oscar for a different movie Explain that I've got something. Okay. Okay, Emilia Perez herself. This is coming out in December as we know So this is gonna be seasonal. Yes. All right This is bo and yanks. I always always open the wrong app when it comes to having to time something Okay, this is bo and yanks. I don't think so honey his time starts now I don't think so when he points set as first of all, let's talk about the spelling one extra. I one I too many after the T After the two T's are the one I'm not gonna look into it All I know is there's an errant I an errant of silent I Okay, sure You look like a damn weed and for a flower to have to be in a pot that is wrapped in a specific kind of foil that Maybe going to be mistaken for the petal of the flower I go well then you're leaning too much on the container and the flower itself is not doing the right kind of Work to aesthetically hold the center of this presentation and arrange a second. I don't understand it Why are they everywhere? We've got too many Christmas plants the tree the fucking mistletoe Don't even get me started on that five seconds And now I got to figure out this flower that looks like shit get that out of my sight I don't think so any points that is that's one minute. You know, it's the it's the thing about It's the thing about Christmas that I'm the most like Like it feels 80s. Why do they feel like very 80s flower? Vogue a decade Because it does the container is this like shiny yeah, the dress Beautiful dresses Yeah Cocaine energy that I'm like well, you know when you bend the leaf like white goo comes out Like come I guess So I think I think I think when I was growing up in church I would just go like yeah with my nail and it would just and the white girl So you were doing as a kid instead of listening about God one time on Christmas since this is apparently Didn't realize but Are the church I grew up in everyone would the lights would go down in the church and we'd pass a flame everyone to get a candle I'm not safe past the flame and at the end it would be beautiful everyone singing Silent Night acapella love this and I was five and holding the flame and looking up at the church and kind of going around and then this woman starts Hitting me in the head, and I don't know why I'm just getting smacked in the head and People are screaming and then the lights come on and I had lit my hair on fire It was just like And I I do have this memory the most potent memory from it is the pastor jokingly I now know saying well Christmas is canceled And that is humiliating I know you thought maybe because it stopped Silent Night and it was sort of this talk like do we restart like no Let's just let's just go home Can almost Immolated we have to go we have to go but but why not? That's 90s culture is let's fucking embarrass the kid and and have that be a trauma in her fucking life I do I like really don't like Christmas, and I don't usually think of this story as why but that I don't you think there's something to do with it. Yeah, probably that sounds like a fucking I'm learning in song. Yeah, it yes. That was the worst Christmas ever. That was the worst Christmas ever I love that Christmas album on the best Christmas songs may be the best that I know of Thank you. Yeah, but you've you've you've done Christmas songs. You've released some Christmas songs, haven't you? Mm-hmm making that up which one would you release that was the worst Christmas ever? That was the one. Oh, that would be really really good. I'm doing like a Christmas show with Rufus Wayne, right? Who I also sang with last night, which was amazing. Oh cool Where was that? West your hall probably like the New Yorker festival. Yes, but I was like can we sing the art teacher together? It's just I don't know if you know that song I'll send it to you, but he's you know a legend He's just like a history lesson within one person Rufus. Yeah holds it all. Yeah Can do can can do Judy at Carnegie Hall and can also do opera do opera and then fucking rock with you Yeah, that's our speaking of rocking with you. It's time for your I don't think Sony or my god Grammy-winning rock artist Okay, okay, also, I don't think so honey Superstar we don't know that yet. We do I have faith. I'm heart is racing. I can't wait to experience this. Oh Don't be racing the blind. Okay. I do need to you have a screen protector and I couldn't see the timer when you're faced Don't worry. Okay Okay, this I'm scared Lucy Davis is out of things on a her time starts now The boy with the dangly earring is he a villain? I don't think so honey And here's why first of all sometimes you have to wear the costume before it becomes the clothes Sometimes people are the ally at the Pride parade for years before they figure out why they keep showing up Why are we gatekeeping a gate that all of us had to walk through at one point or other? Specifically with the dangly earring Sometimes we have a guy with a dangly earring and then you wait five years. You have a beautiful woman on your hands 30 seconds in other situations The guy takes out the earring no one was hurt if you don't like that guy that has to do with that guy's personality Unfortunately, it would be so easy if we actually knew who people were from what they're wearing But we do have to do the hard work and take the time to find out if someone is actually disingenuous or Cool with us and I think that the threat of being made fun of or thought of as disingenuous at the front is intimidating people out of being creative and playful with their presentation Which could lead them down a path to a life that would be more tolerable and fun That's that pierced through all of my callous to armor New episode unlocked I when you when you start and and the way that you the way that you Structure that I don't think so honey was a misdirect because when you started by saying the boy with the dangly earring here I am thinking you're gonna tear that guy up and because it is easy to do But I think it's lazy you're right It is easy to do and I was ready to do it and then I and then I had to assess based on your actual content You queered the form 100% you did Lucy so much innovative. I that was the sublime that was all oh my god So basically are you currently having to be like but I do hate the guy with the dangly earring Sometimes is the guy with the dangly well and sometimes the dangly with the dangly earring is hateable sometimes But hate people for who they are You know, give them the dignity of hating them for who they are. Let me talk Let me go up to the dangled and let me speak with them You know what I mean and then I judge them based on them showing me what's on their phone be at the the you know huge breasted manifestation of their sexual conquest Desirability thing or the bombs, you know something like that, but I do agree with you that it's like You do have to let people look Maybe in maybe in a way that you think is silly like people should express themselves with clothes I do feel and music and like art and stuff like that in self-expression. I feel like let's not judge. Yes Mm-hmm. I hope I have not judged you too much too many times in the past for the way you've looked You don't really read me for that. I look like I'm like a mismatched colors because I'm color You know, you know, you don't read me. I don't know why I bring this up But I just I just hope I've never get kept an aesthetic I don't think we do that to each other because this is the thing an aesthetic is the bridge to like the like the person or the The idea or like the political notion or whatever it is. You know what I mean? It's like if you look the part it's why I like Like Fascism moves through the like aesthetic of fascism whatever I won't get into that You know what I mean? Like that is like that is the literal frontline and so dangly earring It's like we'll let the person do a dangly earring and then that might that will be like the locus the inflection point for something else The dangly earring is the bridge to something else. Yeah Yeah, or if it's not there at least the type of person that would be willing to walk on the bridge and then walk back to the other side Like I like people who are open to the idea that they could be different than how they are and then be like No, I think I'm I'm good. I think I'm good. Yeah, you know, it's interesting like One time there was someone in my life who was then not in it anymore And a friend of mine in commiserating about this person was like and they wore those stupid turquoise earrings Well, we can do that with our friends and I never and I remember afterwards. I was like Now I feel a little bad because I think the turquoise earring was kind of fun There's so many things to talk about this person about the way they act and about they are Hearing actually made me pity that that person because I was like, oh But that you know, sometimes people think like I know who I am and so I'm dressing this way But a lot of people are like I'm gonna try dressing this way because hopefully I get encouragement And then I can be more who I am and perhaps if that was encouraged in a specific type of person then they wouldn't be horrible It's very top revoking Lucy. Thank you for really but then also like you can be dunking on nasty people with your friends About what they're wearing but like just let's remember. Yeah, some clothes are ugly Well that was and I'm not I'm so interested after we end Because not everyone gets to know everything About what your other out of things the honeys are because if they're structured like that, I'm so excited to tell you I hope that might be my ick actually you might hear this and be like no No, what do you mean? So we'll find out. Yeah, they don't get to I don't I trust you Oh, thank you and because we've established trust through through a connection Through a spot-ify song through a spot-ify song and a live performance that by the way Yes was by far the highlight of that show for us. I mean for me too since I mean you did the whole show I only did that one moment. So it's my favorite, but you should have for rehearsal the day before It happened that meant a lot to us Crazy week for on a lot of love you did something amazing by the way I was like, oh, yes me do something. I like you. I'll do what you have asked and then I showed up and you put on a Real like it was really an award show. I did not know what I was walking into and it was like so funny way more interesting than most Award shows. Oh, thank you. Give give an award to wow from a Grammy winner Okay, yeah from an award haver to an award-deserver. Yeah Thank you. You were you're the best and honestly that that really It was like from inception of that of that idea of the of the in absentia to then doing it I just remember us being at the end and after you came out and like that being like I felt like we Did it because that part went so exact like it was just like such a high life for us. Honey. Well, damn forever's a feeling the archives by stream Watch the videos get the vinyl get the vinyl there is Yeah, yeah, it's coming out in December actually. Oh love Here's something else like I would have done this without promoting something We would have obviously had you on without you promoting something It was a matter of time. Okay. I love that. We love you. Yeah, we'll get done or with Katie Yeah, if you can stand me after these other loose Already obsessed. Oh, we don't have to go to separate bike. We can go wherever we do have to go to all time Okay, just kidding. We don't have to go all time. 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