What Do You Wanna Talk About? - Kit Wilson

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Of course, his opening intro to his music and all of that has become a viral sensation everywhere we go. You're going to learn a lot more about him over the course of this podcast, one of the UK's great standouts. And of course, just someone we are very, very glad to have here on What Do You Want to Talk About? Please welcome to the podcast, Kit Wilson. Cardi, thank you very much. Oh, no, thank you. You right there got something that looks quite special. What do we have? I've got Wheatley's American Own Runway Martini. A Runway Martini. With a little bit of Wheatley American Vodka, I have the American Mule Cheers to you, Kit Wilson. Cheers. I here might have some catching up to do, so I might go heavy with this. That's all right with you. Yes, yes. And the lore too. We film and put podcasts together here at the Buffalo Trace Distillery, and I think enough of our audience is aware that sometimes I might go too hard. And then those podcasts wonder, hey, I saw a picture of them. Well, that's... Cardi, that was hard. Yes, that is indeed a... You just, I think, beat the record. Oh, really? Yeah, if we had a record board and somebody... Oh, my God. And you knew where the backup was. Oh, there we go. So that is the definition of preparation. And as you know, that's part of excellence, something along the lines. Back to my guest, Kit Wilson. You said something to me yesterday. I did not know and forgive me for not knowing. I did not know we met before Kit Wilson. Yeah, well, I sent you a photo. Did you recognize anything there? No. I don't know if we can get up on the screen, but very different. We will. Very different look. But yeah, in that indie run of yours, that was in the era where I first started. So maybe I'm two years into the business. And I guess we've got some few funny stories. I wrestled someone from SmackDown. Oh, wow. That night. Okay. I wrestled England's own Nick Aldous. Oh, my gosh. So you wrestled Nick Aldous? Yeah. I believe you were wrestling, maybe, Will. I defeated Will Ospreay, IW... I-P-W-U-K? That's the one. I-P-W-U-K. And this is where... So, okay. This is my... That's where I trained. That's where I started. It was in Kent, England. I used to drive there every week. That's where I kind of started. And, you know, I was afforded a lot of good opportunities, and Nick Aldous being one of them. But I think the story I'd like to tell that Cody is... Yes. I go to the venue. I'm kind of... This is the era I'm starting to get dressed up. You know, I haven't got a lot of money, but I'm starting to look good. Sure. I come up to you. I shake your hand. He clocks the shoes. You give me a shoe compliment. Oh, wow. Okay. Also, Finn Balor at the time, Ferg or Deva, about a year later complimented the shoes. I think I started strong fashion-wise with the shoes. Yeah. But you were very cool. You know, it was only 20, 30 seconds, you know, a quick one. But I have the match with Nick Aldous. It goes well. At least for me, I'm not sure what he thought about it. That'll be another discussion. Nick's a little spicy, yeah. Yeah, he has... I mean, deservedly so. I look back now and deservedly so, Nick. I apologize. But I do a dive to the outside and we obviously, as indie wrestlers, there's no mats. So I actually split open my elbow and I got like four stitches. Okay. I'm in the back getting medical care, but who is the one person that comes to check on me? Was it Nick? It was Cody Rhodes. It was? Yeah. Oh, wow. And you know, I'd spoken to Nick. This isn't disparaging Nick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mickie James was there actually and she was... Mickie was sanitizing me. So shout out to Mickie. Wow. But who pops his head in to check on me? It was you. And at the time, that meant a lot to me. Cause I didn't know that you were aware that I was injured, but you know... I probably watched it with a great interest because I was following what Nick was doing and Nick and I would plug in with each other here and there. That's certainly... You got medical care from Mickie James? Yeah, yeah. Nick was informing me about the match afterwards and kind of letting me know where things maybe went askew and what I could do wrong. What kind of dive was it? You know the one... Who did it? I used to do the one where if you're on the outside, I would run, hop over the turnbuckle and then flip over the turnbuckle to the outside. Oh, Speedball. That one? No, not called Speedball. Bobby Fish. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah, now I know what you're talking about. Bobby Fish. I did that and I think that was a double header that showed. I think the night before I did the same dive, kind of slightly cut open the next day, fully open. Got it all the way then. Yeah, yeah. Didn't really learn from it. No, no. The dive was needed. I think it was a lot to learn in this past year. Yes. Oh, no, and it takes... I mean, sometimes though, the decision to do it is the right decision. Believe it or not. Like in terms of, hey, you got to go... Every now and then you got to go for it. Did this... You know, I'm putting you on the spot here, putting myself on the spot. Well, was the house any good? Yeah, it was, you know. I think they... Okay. All right. I believe it was the casino rooms in Kent. Yeah. Maybe in a place called Rochester. Okay. And they generally did quite a good... Quite a good vibe. It was slightly nightclub adjacent. Yeah. But they always family shows. It was a good mix. Wow, that is wild. Maybe not as good for you, but good for me. No, I mean, for me, it was about filling the room enough. And you didn't want to... When you did those and they carried, you know, your name or whoever, the big piece they were promoting or the person who had come from W2B or whatever, New Japan or whatever it was, you wanted it to do well. Now we're really... I mean, everything is... Everything is documented. It's scary. Yeah. It's scary and then just... It's scary, but it's also a whole new accountable, I guess. I'm on like my... I'm in my head on some of the things as of late about every single piece of W2B right now and every wrestling company. Somebody needs to share and put it out there. And I'm... I think what's going to happen is an overload of information to where fans just stop caring. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot. Like, I watch the show. I like the show. I like this guy. I don't like that guy. I like her. I like... I don't need to know what was... How many people were in the seats? Yeah. It's wild. I don't know who's keeping all these records, but I'm getting tired of what do we need this for? You know, like, who's this for? They seem like it's doing great, you know? Anyways, that's my bit. Well, to that point, as a teenager, you know, as a massive fan, as a kid, I was a massive fan. I'm kind of... Every bit of content I was taking in, but I never... What never really clicked with me was the, you know, the internet ratings. All these kind of slightly insider things. That was never relevant to me as a teenager, because I just enjoyed what was happening on the show, and I wanted to know more about the wrestlers. So I never really understood that side of it, you know, from a fan's point of view. I'm really in all the, like, IPs that I enjoy, different shows, stuff like that. I never have any interest to me in what's the behind the scenes. It actually kind of spoils elements for me, especially with, like, your bigger IPs, like a Star Wars or something like that. You hear way too much on the build-up. I don't need to know. I'm going to show up and make my decision based on what I see, you know? That's just me. I know, and I'm in the entertainment space, so perhaps everybody's different. I wanted to say, because you're talking about Mickey James' sanitizer, and you bust in your elbow, four stitches, IPWUK. Yeah. I actually, UTC Chattanooga, which is an arena I hope you run at some point in your career, maybe for a WWE Live event, if they ever come back. That, as a little kid, I used to go to WCW shows there. And I was, had my backstage pass, which at the time I was so little, was like this giant. Like a big, young guy, like, yeah. Like a big, young guy, like, yeah. Doug Dillinger, shout out to him. He's the guy from Goldberg Videos. He was like my dad's commissioner, Gordon. He was so... Oh, yeah. He had a reputation online at all, because I just knew him as an ex-police officer from the Carolinas who took care of me and my sister and was awesome. But he used to give me this big credential, and I'd go just find an empty seat. I didn't have a ticket, so I'd go find an empty seat and I'd watch the show. And I fell down the stairs, and there were wood stairs. I fell down, like, not a full cactus jack rolling down the steps. Enough. We're pretty close. And I had, I was missing school that morning, like, already to be there. So my mom's already probably not excited about it, but I cut under my eye and I went to the back and I was, like, more embarrassed than anything. Like, getting towels. Like, what do I do? I'm obviously, like, I got to tell my dad he's working, but Ricky Steamboat, of all people, set me down and patched me up. And I always thought that is wild looking back at it. He hadn't worked yet. He was probably in the main event. Yeah. I, that was just cool. Ricky, he just, like, did a little cotton swab and looked at it and he kept, like, pinching it and like checking it. He's like, I don't think you need anything. You know, come back. And it was just really, really sweet. So there you are. You're getting patched up by Mickey James. Well, I think that's the cool thing about, you know, once you get a certain, uh, deepness into the business, you look back and you, you have these kind of like checkpoint moments where you meet someone like that. You meet a Ricky Steamboat. Oh my gosh. You meet a honky tonk man. Yeah. You ever met the honky tonk man? Yeah. I did, uh, there was, uh, maybe you did Preston City Wrestling. We don't talk about honky tonk man enough. PCW? PCW? Flutter? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was, uh, I don't mind shaming it. Uh, I'm not going to shame, but like kind of shame. He had me dressed in the middle of winter in an alley. And then like we had, like there was a room, you know, any wrestling, you're, you, there's things like these stories you'd never hear on any other production. Yeah. But there was a room downstairs, like a party room and I dressed in there and opened the locker, like open the doors to everyone can dress in here. It has heat. Yeah. And we have to go upstairs and wrestle in a tiny 16 foot ring in a club that you could literally jump from one middle rope to the next almost. And I remember a party showed up like, well, that's our space. So we're not mad at them. They literally booked this. Oh, they've kicked you out. So they moved me and, uh, another wrestler who I will remain nameless to the alley. So I'm dressing in the alley in the middle of winter. And I thought, this is one, maybe take this one off my list here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was paid well. I'm not, but yeah, that was, that was an interesting experience. Yeah. They were, they were good promotion for me. And actually it was, uh, it was Chris Masters that put me forward for PCW in a weird turn of events. I got on the PCWs, you know, I had, I had some good matches there. I, uh, I had a fun interaction with Drew McIntyre there when he was on that indie run in the middle. Sure. Yeah. I think he was doing a triple threat with char Samuels and no M. Dar. Okay. Yeah. NXT is no M. Dar. No, I'm, I think was doing the cruiser weight tournament at the time. Oh, okay. So, I'm going to be playing the match has started already and he's like 10 minutes out. So now we're at this point where no, I'm, he's going to come in during the middle of the match. This is crazy. I'm in the bad guys back with char Samuels. I've never seen anything like that. No idea what's happening. We're panicking. We're panicking. No, I'm's entrance hits middle of the match. He gets in there, just gets involved. At some point I know Drew's going to be standing tall. The rest is going to be down and I'm heading in. Yeah. But again, I'm new. I'm nervous. I'm English. I'm scared. Druze at behemoth. Yeah. I'm going to slide in. I'm behind drew low blow. I don't get to the blow. His fies are so blocked. Yeah. His fies are so thick. My arm gets stuck. Yeah. Grasp my hand, turns around and goes, we're going to need more than just you. Future shock DDT. That was my drew. Did he mean that? I felt like he meant it. Yeah. It sounds like he did the fact that I couldn't get up due to the behemoth fies. I felt that kind of got him some manly testosterone Bruin. That's a well, I mean, of course it's a perfect time to talk about testosterone and Bruin and all that because you are right now on a current campaign defining and in dislike of toxic masculinity. Yeah. What, what, what does a, where does that register for you in terms of, give me an example of toxic masculinity. You don't have to just what's like a cut that out. We can go deep, but I'll keep it light. I think toxic masculinity for me is almost a lack of vulnerability in males as a true real answer. Actually. Yeah. Well, good for you. Cheers to a real answer. Hey, thank you. Cheers. Non-pretender here. I'm going. Yeah. Well, yeah, look, I, you know, we're always straddling the line of character and real life. Right. I think very much this era of them in the moment is very true to who I am. There's a lot turned up to 11. I, you know, I feel that I feel like I'm in this thing. Yeah. So I think toxic masculinity for males, particularly even a females watch out because you can suffer. You can suffer from it. You can suffer from it. But yeah, let's take a male for example, you know, in life as humans, we have typical masculine traits and feminine traits. I think men struggle to be vulnerable and, and open up with those feminine traits, you know, they feel like they have to go big on those masculine traits because really they're just kind of scared or vulnerable or shy or insecure. But the way to deal with that for a lot of men is to punch a hole for a wall. They don't know how to express themselves and express their emotions. Me, I'm a little bit feminine. I'm a little bit masculine, but I think that makes me a bigger man than Matt Cardona. I think that makes me a bigger man than anyone else on the roster. So not only am I trying to get to the top, but I'm trying to get to the top with a message to create a new culture within men and create a better man. In your efforts to create a better man. And you mentioned someone who you thought was toxic and masculine as well, that being Matt Cardona, a combination of the two chip, chipped your tooth. I heard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went to the dentist that the week after. Yeah. No remorse. And I grew up on the woo woo kid. Yeah. You think I wasn't watching going woo woo woo. And here he is chipping your tooth. I never thought it was going to get me. Now in his defense and we have to defend him because one time in this very room I didn't and he let me know. He says he kicked you, but the other side of your mouth is where the tooth was chipped. So he thinks it's true. It's not his kick that caused the chip tooth, but I'm of the thought having been in the ring with him. It probably was. Well, yeah, it was the other side, but I don't think you realize that's how bad the kick was. It comes here, clenches the teeth down and it kind of vibrates. The undisputed WWE championship title is mine and I don't plan on giving it up. Only for you, you can climb the ranks and earn your very own championship titles in WWE Supercard. The new road to immortality features WWE ID, Evolve, NXT, Smackdown and Raw. As you challenge for titles each week, you'll gain and lose fans depending on your performance, allowing you to advance in your WWE superstar career. The titles up for grabs correspond with the real WWE schedule. Like the real show, you need to prove that you are the best to stay on top of the leaderboard. Download Supercard, flash the QR code and claim my WrestleMania 42 card for free. Let me ask you, because it seems like your campaign here and your journey to do this, get the top of the message, as you said, that's a lot. Your job as a professional wrestler. It almost seems you're doing a little bit of, you're doing far more than pro wrestling if you're after all of toxic masculinity. If I could say so, you're, this is quite ambitious. Yeah, I think, hey, I think I'm leading the charge for this genre. You know, there's a lot of people fighting the good fight. You know, I'm an ally, of course, but I think I'm the one guy in professional wrestling. I'm not the one guy, obviously, but in the current landscape we're in, in WWE, in Smackdown. I'm fighting the fight, you know, and I truly believe in the cause. I truly believe that all the men, whether you're toxic a little bit or toxic a lot, you could benefit from, you know, letting your feelings out. You could benefit from being more vulnerable. Nick, all the Sergeant Omanager, he toxic or not? Yeah, I knew you were going to say that. Toxic, easy, easy, easy, toxic. And I've gotten there. And if we're going to be a bit real, the man has helped me a lot recently with this. But toxic. Oh, still toxic. Yeah, you said it. You can be friends. You can like this guy, but yeah. It doesn't mean you can't grow. Because I think that's a lesson in life to grow. What about like the current locker room leader and kind of the elder statesman, not that he's elder at all, not being Randy Orton? I've seen moments where he's quite vulnerable. Well, yeah, look, I don't know Randy Orton, obviously, as well as you. However, I saw him on the Steph's podcast, Stephanie's podcast. I think he opened up a little bit there. Yeah. And I'm sure he can attest to it. I'm sure he got tons of messages. Him opening up, open up the door for so many people to open up themselves. I think that's the important message of this. That being said, toxic. It's so too toxic now. Yeah, toxic. All right. Can and you mentioned a female can be there can be. So I'll tell you one. Jade toxic, probably, right? Well, she's been nice to me recently. She's been complimenting me in how I dress. So that can't be the only reason. All right, toxic. You know, like you, we like Jade. Jade's a we're, you know, she's a special, special part of Smackdown. Yeah. But I'm trying to think of who's out there being vulnerable, being aware. You know, I've been doing a lot of being transparent. Well, I've been a lot of promos in the ring recently, and I come after a lot of the males in the audience. But don't you think I don't see the women undressing me with their eyes? Yeah. Toxic. That's a toxic trait. That's a toxic. You're not a piece of meat. No. And I say this all the time, but I get my kicks above the waistline. Right. Sunshine. Yeah. That's a line I like to use. I don't know if I know what that even means. I don't think you need to know. Yeah, I got it as like it's developing. But now, OK, all right. Great. Thank you for the. There's a lot I'm learning as we go. Here's kicking back to I.P.W. UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How long have you been in the business in total? Because that was two years in, you said? Yeah, I think roughly I would have to look at the day I started in 2014. Dang. I started training then. Yeah. But one person that I guess I would say early on was training me or did a few sessions with. It's that say, Virginia. Oh, my God. Yeah, he's kind of a Kent guy. So he kind of popped in, did a little bit with him. I was always surprised. Hey, he's taller than you think. Yeah, he's really tall. But B, I might have asked you this backstage. I had my first independent match with him, and then I would wrestle him multiple times after that. Yeah, he was very, very stiff. He's not unsafe, but just you knew you were in a fight. Yeah. And I always kind of laughed looking at him like, who are you trying to prove? What are you trying to prove here, man? Like he did the deal where I jump up on the second and kick the back of my foot. Yeah. And I had a mark on the back of my leg. He left with me basically for a couple of weeks. Yeah. I know we've got Flash Morgan Webster with that as well. Yeah, I think he's a kick assassin. Yeah, but maybe that's toxic. Is that toxic or is he kind of one of those who can tie you up a little bit and wants to like let you know? I think that too. Yeah. I'm yet to wrestle him. Yeah. I only did a few training sessions. And again, this is so early in that he wouldn't see the man I am today, even though we've seen each other down the line, but I'd love to get in there with him. So you're a baby in all of this, man. I don't mean that in a it's it's different than what we've had on the podcast with. Yeah. Well, I thought that was very interesting coming into the podcast. I feel like you've had a certain a certain level of guests who have achieved a lot or they've done with their career and their kind of Hall of Fame level. Yeah. Whereas I feel like I'm unproven. And at this point, I think that's a very interesting point to be at. Interesting. You know, for me, this feels like a check mark, a checkpoint, you know, well, like I want to to do these big things that I'm going to say I'm going to do because I am. Yeah. I don't know how long it's going to take me. It could be a year. It could be 10 years. I'm here. Well, you said like I'm proven and you've already proven things. But unproven like what's a short term thing? What's something right in the immediate future that you're looking at and going, huh, that needs to happen. We know bull's eye on toxic masculinity. Yeah, we know, letting the world. I did something similar when I was doing Dash and Cody Rhodes. I was I was out there trying to explain to men how to self groom. Yeah. How to take care of themselves. I want to know. And I was I was a villain for it. And today I don't think I how I get a bit of a mixed response. You know, I'm preaching a similar story to you, but there's a lot of people that are on my side. There's a lot of people that aren't. But I think that's the fun of it. Right. I am. I'm very curious what what what it is you want to do next. I'll swing you one that is rather you're probably going to go. What the. I was joking with you. Very just locker room jostling because I saw you at the rumble. And you were leaving the show. Yes. And I now this is unrelated to you. This part of my rant. I'll get back to the other part. I now am really on the kick of wire guys leaving the show early. Yeah, I'm really genuinely not a fan of this isn't on you. This was a you're not even going to wait till the middle of the show. What if someone gets hurt? What if you're needed? Carmelo Hayes one time when the audio busted in overseas. I had done a whole promo with Randy that a fans know they saw a version from Keith Blomberg's camera on the floor because we had no production. And while we were figuring out how to do that and not kill a live audience, Carmelo Hayes was ready and ran to the ring and did a little something I don't even remember that those moments happen. So I've been really on this kick lately about where are you going? And like also a lot of the older wrestlers who are like in that grizzled phase. Like we're all grizzled. At this point or we've all been grizzled like cheer up. Yeah, cheer up. Like you get back in there or hide it. You want to be, you know, like I've left plenty of shows early. I'm guilty as well. I've also hidden it. I never did it right in front of somebody. And anyways, that's the end of my rant. But you and then you pulled me inside and you told me why. Yeah. And what I would say and I was thinking about this this morning, you're talking about you were not part of the Royal Rumble. And I think very much you wanted to be part of the Royal Rumble. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What I told Carmelo Hayes, actually, here we are talking about him again, is the same thing I'm going to tell you now as far as and we definitely are going to have to get you another one. Yeah, maybe. Is I would say that's the last Royal Rumble you're not part of. Yeah. Do you know what? I do think that was a, again, we talk about these checkpoints along the career. There was, you know, I don't like to go too behind the curtain, but there was a situation where I thought maybe there was, you know, maybe it was a sure thing and then something happened and then I wasn't. So that day, you know, I was kind of struggling with those emotions, which is okay because I'm not toxic. You're not toxic. Yeah. However, you know, I do value your opinion. I do value a lot of other people's opinions. You know, AJ talked to me that day as well. So the next day I just came in, smile on my face. As I always try and do, but I made an extra effort on the day of the Rumble, smile on my face and I just worked in every which way I could possible, you know, not to put myself over, but I was doing the interviews. I was working with. You put yourself to use. I put myself to use because what else was going to do? And I was working with the China social teams. I do a lot with them. Ni Hao. Cheese. Ni Hao. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm a fan. But I think that day as well, I kind of won over the Miz because the Miz kept on walking back, you know, his prepping for his match, he's doing his things, but he saw me like two or three times in the middle of, you know, kind of pushing for things. And I think that was kind of the impetus on the Miz liking me. I mean, Miz liking you is probably a great thing. I sent him a pitch. Actually, two days ago. Oh, we're going to talk. We're going to talk about your pitches here. Oh, really? Okay. I sent one to Mike two days ago and you know, I don't, I don't, I've only texted him once before he's, he's Hollywood. Yeah. And Cardona Tommy. Oh my God. Very Hollywood. Cardona Tommy doesn't reply. Yeah. He replied to you though, didn't he? I had a pitch and he replied. He complimented me and he ended with awesome. Wow. So, you know, little t-shirts buzz for me though. He's out there living the gimmick. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But teenagers are in me. I loved it. Miz such an incredible, incredible hard worker that I wish, I wish there's so many new guys who are coming up who are really, really talented. And I get like Carmelo is one who's seen it. There's a few who are starting to look around and go, Oh, Oh, I get it now. Like, Oh my gosh, like that. These are things that we have to do in addition to, Oh, I'm really great. And I'm trained and ready to go. You know, like Miz is special in that sense, but you mentioned what you're doing that day and what I said, I really feel that, but I feel it too full. As far as that's the last Royal Rumble you won't be part of. But the reason I say it is a, your growth on television is, is going to happen. And your, your checkpoints, you're going to go through a, don't, don't stop at each one, you know what I'm saying? And joy, try and take a little moment with each one. But the reason I'm confident in saying that is because I don't know anything. I don't book anything. I'm not in charge of anything. I know it because I know who you are. Yeah. You're not going to allow it to go by. And I think, you know, again, like I don't want to put something out there. That's not true. But one of the things we'll talk about it. And if you don't want to share it's totally okay. I, this is a story that I'm wondering if I should share my part of it. Yeah. I wanted to go to the office to see what life would be like at the office at WB HQ. I had a career before as an executive vice president. I, I, I failed at it, but I had some success along the way, but failed. Ultimately learned a great deal from said failure as we do. That's what we need. But I wanted to go, I said, oh man, I'm going to treat it like I'm going there for a job. I'll write a sample format. I'm going to write a full tech format times and everything and not a dreamer one. I'll take what we have now. Yeah. And, and put one together. I'm going to go and share that with Bruce perchard and the creative team. And I'm going to sit with them and I'm going to go to CPG. I'm going to meet with Lee fitting and his team. I'm going to meet these departments and not the hi, I'm such and touch, not that. You can do the weeds. We can do that in three minutes. I'm going to actually know what can I really do for you? The community. What can I really do for you? Do I fit in anywhere? Cause I, I, I got the bug. Yeah. Okay. But anyways, I didn't want to be unprepared because if you came to me as a wrestler unprepared, I'd kick back or I'd look for things to, to kick back on. So in that setting, I was wanting to be ready. So I reached out to as many people as I could on the roster. I said, what's an idea for you? What's something you want to do? Some people called me. I got this. Some people didn't reply. Some people sent a nice little text with a perfect little, a simplified note. And I thought, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready. If Ed or somebody asked me a good question, just I didn't want to be unprepared. I didn't want to waste their time. You didn't send me a text and you didn't send me a voicemail. I have in my phone nine. Full blown PDFs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. PDFs that do you know every meeting I was in, I almost spoke about you every time because I couldn't even read through three of them at this point. Like I was more stunned, which is the first thing I asked you is that who's seen these? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's seen these? Today's been a lesson in terms of everyone I've talked to today. And and this, I don't know, you know, I don't want to dispense wisdom to you, but I'll tell you something I learned as a I was an overbearing, aggressively hard worker. Yeah. But I would let you know. Look at what I did. I should be rewarded. You know, I was one of those, which in its way is very annoying. Yeah. The hard work is great. But man, like everyone's process is different. What I learned through it all was none of it matters unless you sincere, you're sincere in your ability to execute. And what I mean by that is you can talk your way into any room. Yeah. Can you deliver when you're in the room? And I have just literally been so fortunate and happy to see. This was a few months ago and within the few months you're on TV and Kit Wilson, just the song, the boys are singing it backstage. Yeah, there's an energy. There's an energy about it. And there's a crowd that's starting to connect with it. That is the definition of doing the execution part. Yeah. So my lesson, if you would be willing to accept. Is do all the things that you're already doing. Yeah. But make sure when the moment comes, you can execute. Yeah, which I'm looking at you and know you can. So I'm excited to see where it goes. I mentioned you yesterday because. Oba trick, Javan, I noticed with all three, they're not just ready. They're. They're not going to flounder. I was in a sink or swim, swim culture of WWE when I came up. Yeah. Most would swim, but would swing a little and then come back up for air. And then it was, we watched it. We watched each other on TV like, oh man, then we watched Miss, for example, promo that's still sailing. Yeah. That changed his trajectory. He did it. He did it. We used to joke with each other. You just bought yourself four more months. Oh, yeah. We used to make this joke and that picture of me, Kofi, punk, Cardona, like, yeah, Matt side, right? Like that picture is that group. And when I was talking about those guys yesterday, I mentioned you as well. I'm so excited, but that is the thing. I love you. Don't do all the things. Nine PDFs, 18 PDFs, whatever it is. Just don't make that your reason ever for being angry. Do that work. Yeah. Because you can execute. I would get mad. I'd get, I did everything. I did. I went to the gym when they didn't go to the gym. I stayed through the whole show. I said on the floor, like I went through all that and it became about kind of pocket watching and not about at the end of the day, you're in front of a live audience and they like you or they don't. Yeah. Right. And it takes time to figure out what they're into. But man, you're just doing it. Big news, WWE and sports fans, the world's number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest is making its return to New York City. Fanatics is bringing you closer to the leagues, teams, superstars and athletes you love across four action packed days in July. Meet your favorite WWE superstars, get your hands on exclusive merch and interact with the biggest names in sports. Tickets are on sale now and fans of the podcast can use code COD10 at checkout for 10% discount. Head to FanaticsFest.com to get your tickets today. It's so cool to have you on here and to your point about we've had different type of guests and like the like so back to and I hate to put you on the spot back to this as far as what do you think that immediate goal is for Kit Wilson? Well, thank you. And I appreciate the wisdom and I'll take a lot more. I will say that because I'll just before I get into it, I'll say every time we speak, I feel like you say at least one thing that I just don't know. You know, I'm very much in a growth mindset right now. I feel like I'm on the precipice, but you don't know what you don't know. So you say something and it really opens my brain to a new way of thinking. So wisdom me up. I'll say that. Oh, OK. Yeah, I'm glad. But in terms of next accomplishments, you know, I recently came off the tag team thing. Yeah, pretty deadly. I love an Elton shout out. I love you. Shout out to Elton. But we don't know what his future is, you know, so I've had to completely switch my mindset from being in this company with my best friend and think, and that was we were going to be lifers. Now I've fully switched over and I'm singles, you know, and I'm committed and I'm going to be the best I can be. And that is going to be one of the best. So yeah, I think capturing a United States championship, capturing an intercontinental championship. Yeah, I think those are in the immediate cross areas, kind of. Yeah, I think that's something I can achieve. I think that's something I can do good with. And I think that's something I can make work. I also think that gives me a bigger platform to show who I am and my message. You those are great. Those are what probably you should be looking at. And then in the back of your mind, be looking at the biggest picture. And you never have to share the biggest picture. Most wrestlers can look at each other and know what such and such wants. Right now, there's a little moment with you. Kits fits. Yeah. Yeah, tell me about kits fits. You know, I like. And where is my fit stand, my fit today in terms of. Do you know what, Cody, you are dressed to the nines. Yeah, you're very, you're the. I knew you were coming. Yeah, you're kind of the 007 of the company. That's the biggest bond mark on the planet. Oh, really? My gosh, dude. Well, let me say this, 006. This guy. This guy. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. And I tried to go a bit suit themes today for you. Let me say that. But clothes is something I've always had an interest in. My mom's a seamstress. Of course. And that inspires me. My wife does a bit of sewing. And it's something that I'm getting into. Yeah. I'm still at the basic level. You know, I'm making my little bags with a zip. I'm good with the zip now, but it's just something I'd like to get into. And it's something that has an interest in me, something I care about. So something I want to. It feels like a shade of myself and a shade of the character that I can bring in through social media that kind of gives layers, you know, dude, not to call you dude, but my discovery is you're not a character at all. You're that. Well, I feel like I didn't pick it up until just real. Man, you are you turned up. Well, you catch me on a Wednesday and I'm dressed the same, you know, catch me in Target and I'm. Yeah. What are you doing? What are you getting in Target? What are you doing in Target? I love a target run. What am I getting? I'm a big vinyl guy. So they do have them. Yeah. Yes. We'll always walk. They're a limited selection. They have a lot of the mainstream stuff, but I'll take that. So I just got a Charlie X6, a weathering heights vinyl from Target. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, normally the food shop, you know, they just do a good ground beef that's like 96, 4 percent. And you're making your own food. I love to cook. Yeah. Again, me and my wife love to cook. We're cooking all day long. Yeah. How long have you been married? We got married twice. Let me say that. OK. OK. So she is a double marriage. Yeah. How long did we go here? We were we were in NXT UK together. Yeah. Well, I met her on the Indies. She was wrestling in Japan. Shout out, legend, Stevie. Shout out, double marriage. And then we were in NXT UK together. Me and Elton got offered to come to NXT. So we moved by move without her. You know, at this point we're engaged. So I didn't we didn't really know if she was ever going to get asked to come to NXT. So we got we did a little Orlando courthouse marriage. Solid. Yeah. And I think you'll find a lot of the fellow roster members have actually done a courthouse marriage. I've seen a few similar pictures. USA, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Get you in. Yeah. And that was August 1st. I loved it. Yeah. It was a fantastic. But when then she did get asked to come to NXT, she had us sitting at NXT and obviously we're living the things. Then we went to Vegas and we got married in the mountains. That was beautiful. And that was. Oh, let me get me in trouble here. No, don't worry about it. September. Yeah. You don't have to remember. Third. Wow. But the year is a bit muddly. Yeah. 20. You see the date is fine. Yeah. September. He knew the date. September. I'm a September 12th. Oh, OK. There we go. You knew the date. That just know the date. Yeah. Yeah. You're good. But we've been together seven years. I love her. We've got you're a dog guy. We've got cats. Really? Big cat guy, the kitty cat. Yeah. But yeah, but just to jump back to the previous thing. Yeah, I think the reason this hits so hard for me in terms of character and presentation on television and my future success is I think that I've hit something that feels right to me. I feel like I found my voice. I'm saying that to you on text maybe a month ago or something. I feel like I found my voice. Yeah. And I feel like this is the start of. I thought this is the start of success, you know, this is the the early days of what you'll look back on and be like, oh, that's when it clicked for him. That's when he grows. Most important question I'm going to ask you because I think you're right. Yeah. Are you enjoying it? Yeah, I'm loving it. Yeah, I'm loving it. I to speak to you saying just say yes. I know you recently said that to a group of us. I was hot, dude. Well, I was hot. Well, I was on the train. I'd just do the appearance, guys. Well, I was on the treadmill. I was on the treadmill at home on Tuesday morning in my garage. I was walking. I was getting my steps in. Me and my wife about to go to Disney, but I get a call and they say, can you fly to Chicago tonight to do some improv the next day with our truth? And you bet. I said yes. Yeah, because I think my exact words were a challenge. You're not to say no. Yeah, yeah. And I'm a yes guy anyway. I'm a yes boy. I now am mad though that you missed this day. We owe you a day at Disney with your wife. She loves Disney and we go a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And Matt's trying to get me to go. I'm trying to go with Chelsea. I'm not trying to go with Matt. Oh, yeah. Chelsea's a better a better, but don't we just we used to go all the time. And I had a child and then he's like, oh, the place is ruined. The place is for children in the first place. Don't you see it through their eyes, man? Like, come on, dude. But yeah, he he's not. We don't see each other like that anymore. Really? I think we're on the same path. We needed the conversation that him and I just had. It's been a minute. So really? Yeah. You went and did Improv with Truth. Yeah. So we did a second city in Chicago. Jeez. Yeah. We did some training. Yeah. And I'm a big obviously I'm English, so I didn't have these channels growing up, but I love 30 Rock as a teenager. We can't. Which got me into SNL. So I was watching SNL on YouTube. And then so I've always kind of been aware of it and known it. And then so as soon as they said, you want to do Second City Improv with our truth. So you got a favorite SNL cast member. Oh, I love Carl Mooney. You know, Carl Mooney? Yes. Beck and Carl, them together. Kyle is part of Street Fighter. I was. Yes, he is. Yes, he was he was on. So we didn't cross paths on the set, right? But what was happening on the set was a lot of heavy hitters in their fields. Yeah, you did 50 cents. Roman Reigns, like a lot of heavy hitters. So every weekend was an event. Hey, the director will be making dinner for the cast. Hey, the lead would like you all to come to this club. Hey, and it wasn't you weren't directly texting. I thought I'll take it up a notch and do a yacht. Let's go out on a yacht. Also, I'm in Australia. I don't get to see this at all. Yeah, I'll actually get to see a little of it. So I send the invite out. She's asking her name was Jackie. She said, who I'm saying everybody like as many people as we get on the boat. The cast, whatever. And they were saying, well, do you make sure you invite Kyle? But we never crossed paths. So I was like, what is he in the movie? Like, and then he's yeah, he's obviously in the movie, whatever. But that was my one little interaction with him. And he killed it. No, no, I'm not trying to give anything away, but he's so talented. And what a great pick, by the way. Yeah, no, I watched Beck and Carly and Good Neighbor. They were their sketch group was Good Neighbor. I used to watch them on YouTube. So they went to SNL. I was I was hyped. Yes, a car, Mooney Beck is really big ever favorite. So I've got a few minor old. Yeah, because I'm a certain generation. Norm is like like minor, like old, but it's not it's it's it's not the nostalgia as much. I'm good for I'm trying to think from a new perspective, because I still watch pretty consistently. Yeah, like Mikey Day. Yeah, Mikey Day is really that might be I might be right there. And he doesn't really kind of. Yeah, he's kind of quite subtle in his in his performance. You know, he doesn't Colin. I mean, they're they're they're great. They got a great crew right now. They've really got in the head. I was gonna because I was Kyle for SNL only a hard right here only because you mentioned 007 and you being, you know, we consider anyone from England, the expert on MI six and in the bond program. And we also most Americans probably think it's real. In hell, it might be real. What's what's your do you have a favorite bond? Oh, that's a great question. So I think growing up, you know, my generation, my first like video game console was like PlayStation 2 and Gamecube. But I was just young. Fire. My fire nightfire. Yeah, I was just young enough to have like my older brother and my best friends, older brothers have the N64. Yeah. So I got a lot of time with the N64 in. So GoldenEye. Yeah. So I think when I picture when I picture 007, I think he looks like Pierce Brosnan. Yeah. However, I think growing up a little bit more, I start leaning towards Daniel. Pierce Brosnan was my bond. I like all the bonds. Yeah. But Pierce Brosnan was my bond. And I remember telling my dad that one time, my dad went off on who do you go for Sean Connery? Yeah, that's my dad. Yeah. And I was like, well, I haven't seen these movies. Like I just what this is the first one I've ever seen. Like I don't know the lore. Yeah. And then like Roger Moore's are all they're all incredible in their own, in their own way. And like currently where things are now, my gosh, as far as the series goes. But yeah, Brosnan 007, four players plan. That's that's your older brothers, though. You said like that's older. Yeah. Yeah. That's my older brother. Yeah. I might we had like best friends that we were kind of had your old brother as well. It was them as well. We used to do these things at my house where we would play old retro. They shouldn't be, but they're retro consoles. Yeah. So we do land parties. But this was like three years ago. Yeah. My idea of a fun night. I don't like to go out. I don't if I'm very homebody. My idea of a fun night is to do everyone comes to my house and I plug in four OG X boxes to each other for TVs because I have an empty room where we just put them back to back and we do a land party. This is so I'm saying this and I'm regretting everything. And what we're playing. And then like RGB, like in terms of we'd also have an old school, 64 to upscaled. I ordered this thing off. Yeah. This is so ridiculous. I have so much equipment in just boxes. But we play Halo, OG Halo, which was always a blast. And you get and you have to get four X boxes for this. So the amount of just hardware. Yeah, we're going to house. But we were playing 007. We're playing GoldenEye, right? When we would do it. Mario Strikers is another great. Yeah. Yeah. The OG. Yeah. So we're playing GoldenEye and there was a lot of young people in the group to see a young person hold an Nintendo 64 controller. They're they're offended and they don't know how to work it. Yeah. Like that in the center, like the free. They don't understand how you're supposed to hold this. I'm like, well, technically you hold it here. But for this game and it's really wild to see someone fly out and not be able to play GoldenEye because they don't know like, well, how's he looking up? And now like it's auto aim. I don't know if you remember auto aim. Like slightly. A whole thing or yeah, karate, you know, you get up behind somebody. Gosh, that's the time. But Pierce Brosn's your bond, huh? Yeah. Pierce Brosn's my bond. And to go back to the pictures, one of my pictures was a 007 esque. Yeah. Yeah, I really felt like I could, uh, I felt like something there to channel. In WWE, every road leads to one place, WrestleMania. And every journey starts on the road to gold. Now that journey comes to life with WrestleMania Road to Gold only at Fanatics Casino. The game features 20 WWE superstars from Bianca Belair and Rhea Ripley to Seth Rollins, John Cena and me. Get your money in the bank or win the Royal Rumble and Elimination Chamber with bonuses every step of the way. Every award brings you closer to the biggest stage there is. This is WrestleMania Road to Gold and it only lives at Fanatics Casino. Must be 21 and over gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER. Not available in all States. See Fanatics Casino app. Where were we? We're talking about Bond. I think we had like SNL. Things on the go. Yeah, that's the thing on our show, by the way. We were all over. We're all over the map. Well, I guess I will. Well, I had a little bit about, I did want to talk a little, I don't know how to do it in time, but there was a little bit I want to talk about, about your boots early on. My boots? Your boots. Yeah. I was a Cody Rhodes fan instantly for one reason only. Me, my best friend at the time, Matt Anderson. Shout out to Matt. A lot of shout outs today, by the way. Wifey Elton, Maddie. Yeah, we go. There was a Triforce on the boots. It was on my finger. No, I didn't know that. Well, so, so I guess this, this was my question. I live that shit, dog. Obviously, yeah. Yeah, they don't need to know. Now they do. You know, I love Zelda growing up as a big Nintendo guy. I've weaned off. I'm not really a video game guy now. Coolest guys come on this podcast. Yeah, go ahead. But you had the Triforce on your boots. Oh, yeah. Yeah, go ahead. But you had the Triforce on your boots, obviously, because you like Zelda, but in terms of the character, did you think of a reason? 100% Or did you think I like this? I thought the principles of the Triforce, which are power, courage and wisdom. And for those who don't know, Zelda's the wise one. Obviously, Link is the one who's got the courage and power is Ganon. They make up the three parts of the Triforce. That's the whole deal. And I just liked the idea of of thinking and leaning towards your own wisdom or what you've learned and applying it, of being ambitious and wanting to, you know, seek or be powerful if you if you can in a world that's competitive of sports and sports entertainment and then having the courage to do it. Here you are. You're taking a dive. You bust your elbow. You're going to decide to take the dive the next night and you bust your elbow even further. I thought it was just applicable. I also got a cease and desist from Nintendo. No, really? It was very kind. It wasn't. They weren't. They weren't they weren't they weren't coming after anybody. I'm friendly. Yeah. I'm not the first guy to have the Triforce. But yeah, so you liked the Triforce. Yeah, that and at that age, I was playing Zelda. You know, I was deep in Wind Waker or maybe Twilight Zone. Maybe I'm not sure what. Twilight Princess is a princess. Sorry, my bad. No, it's such a great. People don't realize it's wrestling is. Twilight Princess is a story about wrestling. Oh, fans like what they like. And when they get vocal enough, whole worlds can change. And I know this firsthand. My whole world changed because of fans being vocal enough. Wind Waker is a great game. They just weren't ready for how it looked. Yeah, yeah. They weren't ready. And they had grown up enough of the series that they wanted. Wind Waker is a great game. They had wanted. Where's our edgy Zelda? Where's Link? Where's like he's growing? Where is it? So here comes Twilight Princess and I believe it's the best selling. I know. Yeah. I mean, probably by breath and those have. From that era, the linear 3D models, but it's an incredible game. Twilight's great. Yeah. Well, at the time, yeah, I was obviously the biggest wrestling fan, but video games were a big thing for me as a teenager. So to see that it was just as the small little link to make me go, OK, code is my guy. So from that era, I was in. Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm out now. I played Breath of the Wild in COVID. But it's it's getting a bit complicated now. I'm kind of getting old, even I'm not old, but I'm getting older to the point where I'm struggling. No, dude, I'll tell you, I tell you something I shared with my digital. Friend, he said, I was telling him I play Ghost of Yotai or Yote. Yes, I'll play it, get super involved over like the course of a night. And then I go to work. Yeah. So then I come back two weeks later and I pick it up and I don't even know what's direction. Yeah, like how to go. And I thought like, I'm never going to beat this. And when people are like, it took you six months. Yeah, it did. I'm not I'm playing this in drips, guys, you know. We like to play this game here on. What do you want to talk about? Which, by the way, I'm going to go ahead and say it. The room can hold me to it. We we're going to look for a part two with you. Yes, well, I'll take that because you brought up the point about being at a certain point in your career and checkpoints. I'd like to be there on whatever the next checkpoint is. And the checkpoint after that and all that. You have a you have a home here on this pod. If you if you are so inclined to join us. Anyways, we play this game here, making up myself, Wheatley American vodka, who's provided this awesome mule in both of these runway models. I consider myself and Wheatley American vodka, the American Dream Team. I'm going to ask you what's your dream team and I'll make it easy. Yeah, yeah. Survivor Series Wargames, but we've had everything. Animals doesn't matter. It's your team who's going with you towards your future checkpoints. And now we do it. Is there a certain number? You know, it's sometimes easier to say four or five, but just just go from the heart. Go from the heart and they can be toxic if you want them to be. But you know, well, we need a few sacrificial sacrificial lambs. Honestly, smart booking right there. Yeah, sacrificial couple guys who can take the loss. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Well, maybe a sacrificial Sam, Sammy Zane. Let's get him on there. Wow. That's an early damn dude. I think he can run his mouth and let's get him out. But he's your dream team is uniquely booked. OK, Sammy Zane. Yeah, I will take my wife who gets valed by the four cats. I love that. I love that. Beautiful. Yeah, what an image. Yeah, I'll use an image. Yeah, and I'll take Elton Prince to pretty. Pretty dearly. Let's get him back. Who else do I want? Maybe I'll take. You know what? I will. I'll take the Miz, but not the Miz, the Miz from the Marine Free, the character. I want the Marine. Do you know what the character's name was? I couldn't tell you his name. Let's look that up. Miz from the Marine Three. Yeah, your wife, valed by the cats, Sammy Zane and your partner. Yeah, and maybe let's go. Oh, Joe, actually. Yeah. I grew up a massive John Cena was my guy. Yeah, John Cena was my guy. But I think someone else who I always think about and I constantly kind of think about the memories I had as a child and kind of perfected those memories. Umaga. Oh, wow. Yeah. Umaga, John Cena, Royal Rumble, my favorite. That's a great team. Yeah. So I'm getting Umaga on that. Yeah. So we've got Umaga, we've got Sammy Zane, we've got your partner, we've got your wife, we've got the cats and Miz, but not them is Sergeant. Sergeant Jake Carter. Sergeant Jake Carter. That's a great team. Yeah. I want to ask you one question about Pretty Deadly. Yeah. I watched Pretty Deadly while I was injured because I was asked to do a little, you know, side, Hey, what do you see over here? And I watched. Was there a tag team that inspired what you guys were doing? Because what it gives, and sometimes on the surface, what it gives is almost insulting if you really think about it. But what it gave was very Midnight Express. Very old school tag team meeting modern as a, uh, uh, aren't Anderson say the high tech stuff. Yeah. What, what, uh, was there a team that inspired what you were doing? Yeah. Do you know what I think? So the, the big team that kind of started off was, uh, the revival. They were the big one. And I'm a massive American Alpha fan. And the American Alpha NXT run, I think is 10 out of 10. I think it's flawless. That's my favorite tag team. Apart from the, not my favorite tag team, just because lengthwise, they didn't get that longevity. Well, shout out to both those teams because you being so young, those teams had an impression on you. Yeah. Jason Jordan, incredible. Like they were, they were firing as I was like starting wrestling as we were forming the team. So it was very interesting. But yeah, the revival got us to the midnight and then all those classic teams. So we very much had an old school approach and an old school field that we wanted to, we wanted to capture. Yeah. Uh, so the revival is about the revival and the American Alpha is about as modern as it goes, but we were going back, you know, we were going back. What's all this new and then put the new stuff in it. And then it's, then it becomes its own thing. Exactly. Right. We were trying to capture that. Uh, and I liked to think, I liked to think we did it. I still think there was so much more to do. Maybe one day we'll get there. Sure. Uh, Yeah. But yeah, that was not. Uh, Weeley American vodka, uh, WWE and Fanatics original production. This right here is a little jingle. Wheatley, so good. I drink it neatly. If you could replace the word neatly with any word, what would it be? Wheatley, so good. I drink it weekly. It's great. Bang. Bang. Bang. Cheers to you. And you're, you've drank that drink us out of the week. I'm in deep. Yeah. Thank you. Hmm. And ladies and gentlemen, what do you want to talk about? Kit Wilson. Thank you again. Dude, thank you. That was so, so fun.