Summary
The hosts discuss their early morning recording session, personal anecdotes about dreams and upcoming travel, and field listener questions about social media activism and personal boundaries. The episode touches on navigating public platforms while maintaining authentic engagement with audiences.
Insights
- Social media activism creates a false sense of completeness; real-world action (voting, volunteering, boycotts) drives systemic change more effectively than online posting
- Public figures face pressure to perform activism online but risk alienating audiences or appearing inauthentic; selective, resource-focused sharing may be more impactful than constant commentary
- The assumption that everyone lives primarily online can create paralyzing social pressure; people engage with information and activism through diverse channels beyond social media
- Sharing specific resources and calls-to-action is more valuable than general commentary, reducing decision paralysis for audiences wanting to take action
Trends
Performative activism fatigue among content creators and audiencesSocial media as a source of anxiety and judgment rather than community buildingShift toward offline, real-world engagement as counter to digital activismImmigration and green card processes creating self-censorship concerns for public figuresListener engagement through personal storytelling and vulnerability over polished content
Topics
Social Media Activism and AuthenticityOnline vs. Offline EngagementImmigration and Green Card ProcessingContent Creator ResponsibilityPolitical Engagement and VotingBoycotts as ActivismPersonal Boundaries in Public LifeListener Advice and Community BuildingMental Health and Social Media AnxietyCharitable Giving and Transparency
Companies
People
Jeff Buckley
Musician discussed in context of documentary viewing and artistic appreciation by hosts.
Max
Host's 9-year-old son mentioned for his comedy impressions and dual interest in science and comedy.
Finn
Host's child mentioned in context of family activities and impressions with Max.
Quotes
"I just feel like there's also, there's a lot of people that solely live online. And the extent of their activism is just posting things. And that's not to say that's not great. But how many of those people are actually getting out and doing something, you know?"
Tig Notaro•~45 minutes
"I think that when people, the trap that happens sometimes is that people that live pretty exclusively online, see that as like the real and only world."
Tig Notaro•~46 minutes
"I do feel some responsibility, if I can share specific resources or direct people to other people who are better informed than me."
May Martin•~42 minutes
"I mean, the main thing we need to do really is get people to vote. And then lawmakers will make change."
Tig Notaro•~52 minutes
Full Transcript
This is a headgun podcast. Checking all state first could save you hundreds on car insurance. That's smart. Not checking that when you order a cowboy hat online, you get the right size. Big mistake. Now I'm showing up at the country western dance in a hat made for a toddler. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check all state first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with all state. All savings varies subject to terms, conditions and availability. All state, North American insurance company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. In partnership with Airbnb, let's talk a little bit about travel. TIG, as you know, I'm about to go on my first big tour around the United States. And while I'm traveling in a bus, I want to make sure I get a couple nights in a nice comfy bed that's not on wheels. So I'm going to book a couple nights day on Airbnb. That sounds like a plan, May. What area are you looking? Well, I'm going to be in Florida, which I'm very excited about. And I'd love to find somewhere with a hot tub or a sauna that I can relax in. Maybe some nice nature nearby, like a big park or something. I love finding a home on Airbnb because I know I can get the place all to myself. And I can read tons of reviews and make sure it's a great place. Airbnb also has guest favorites badges that show me the highest rated and most loved homes. I've just never gone wrong booking one of those. You know, I swam with sharks in Florida. Is that something you would ever try? I hadn't thought about that, but if I'm near the ocean, then who knows? Maybe I will. On the other hand, if I find a really nice place on Airbnb, I may just never want to leave. Handsome child, friends on the handsome part, Chad and the friends on the handsome part. Pretty little episode. Good morning. And hello at whatever time of day it is for you. This is Tignotaro sitting here with me. May Martin. Yes. Okay, I gave it away. We're recording very early in the morning on this day. Yeah, I haven't spoken out loud yet today. I haven't shaved yet. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. Yeah. This is we figured out the earliest we have ever recorded. Seven am. Yeah, seven am. Yeah. I have to fly away today. Were you off to? I'm off to New York and in a crazy twist of life, the Star Trek premiere is overlapping with massive press for not just the premiere, but the documentary in the same week. Oh, no way. In New York. Yeah, it's an award shows as well. Jesus. Yeah. So it's like pure insanity, what I'm about to go away and to this week. Normally it's just crazy press for one thing and it overlaps for two. When they send you those schedules for the upcoming days and you're like, this is not it. Yeah. I can't even think about it when I look at my calendar. I just want one foot in front of the other. Yeah. Well, somebody will pick me up, drop me off there. I'll be moved to this. Well, like I can't even think about it. I just, I glance at that and never look at it again when I fly out and do something like this. Anyway, thanks. Thanks for getting up to record. Hey, it's been a whirlwind. I got in bad, maybe 1130. I was like, this is fine. And then couldn't really sleep and then remembered at about 1230. I have no coffee in the home. And I was like, oh, no. So I pre-ordered for delivery a coffee and then it was like nail biting watching the clock. It got here at like 701. I ran out to get it. Yeah. Wow. And then I couldn't sleep and I dreamed that I'd forgotten how to have sex. Oh, I don't think that's the case. Yeah. Thomas is shaking his head wildly. No. This is a, we believe in you, little cow. Thank you. I got it. Yeah, I dreamed that there was this huge house party at my house, but my childhood home, of course. And then hundreds of people and I kept walking around going, there's so many hot people here. There's tons of hot people. And I didn't know what to do with it. And I was like, how do I make a move? Yeah. That's so funny. Now I had a dream, but very different. Oh, tell me. It was about Thomas. No. No. I dreamed about you guys. I was dreaming about like missing the podcast. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. Wow. Two against one. Yeah. Maze over there just dreaming about sex. And then you and I are dreaming about each other. Yeah, I had a dream that Thomas had found these, like organic, all natural, hand sanitizer wipes. They were individually packaged. And he had come over. Oh, I was like, oh, I like these. Where'd you get this? And he was like, oh, I don't know. And then he had come over and brought a whole box of them and placed them in my pantry, like standing up against food. So when I walked in the pantry, I saw all these little individually packaged hand sanitizer wipes. That's really funny. Yeah. So did I send a new sponsor, Thomas? Yeah. That's amazing. I know. I think it happened. Yes. And what I meant to say is thank you for that. I think that happened because my family, my kids and Stephanie were both making fun of me yesterday about my germ issues. And they were all imitating me the way they imitate me behind my back. And I got, yeah, pay me a lot. I was like, you guys talk about this and do this with each other. And they're like, yeah, this is how you open a door. This is how, like, if we're in a public bathroom, what you do. This is, and then, oh, my God, it was making me laugh so hard. It was better than being like really seen by the people you love, like really observed and lovingly loved. Yeah. I was going to say and made fun of behind my back is what brought me the most joy. Yeah. Well, I, when you said Thomas had found, it made me think of this that I'm really excited about, but also I'm worried that I've like crossed over. It's a pure nerd. I ordered a metal detector. Oh, yes, you did. You did cross over it. It happened, right? Oh, there goes me. There I go. Yeah, there you go. Off I go. But that is also the dream of every person up until I was going to say a certain age and I'm assuming that's 38, 39. Well, Sabrina, are you 38? Yeah. And our friend Sabrina said, oh, that was on Wolfie's Christmas list this year and we didn't get it. He's seven. Yeah. But so I'm going to take care of it. You're not. I'm definitely not. Yeah. But now at least I know I have someone else interested in it in my life. Now, I'm thinking, do I either go to the beach or do I go just around my house? My house is 120 years old. I might find a coin. I would return it. Yeah. I would go return it. No, it sounds fun. The beach maybe. Yeah, beach. I wish there were some ancient castles or something. But yeah, beach is probably the best bet. I just want to get some people's lost wedding rings and stuff. I mean, really what I want is antiques and relics. But if I'm on the beach and I'm finding rings, jewels, sure. And what about an antique store? Yeah, I could hit that up. Yeah, yeah, that's possible. But you also, you would, and maybe this is my, I'm projecting my own embarrassment of actually walking around with a metal detector. Yeah. But if I did that, I would have to go do it on the beach because that's where people do that. Yeah. And you could, you could disguise, like I'm thinking, oh, I could disguise myself, put a hat on a mustache, whatever. Yeah. You're not, you're not concerned about that. Well, I'm a little, I'm, listen, you know, my ex loves by the beach. What if I bump into that would be really embarrassing if I'm, oh, my gosh. Yes. Oh, I'm scared. I know a lot of people that live down in, you know, Santa Monica. Go at an odd time that you know that your ex won't be at the beach. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'll go on it, I'll end up being like singles day at the beach. Well, that'll work out for you as long as you can remember how to have sex. I want to have my pants pulled up high and my little, yes, you absolutely. Color hot on. Yeah. Well, then everyone will know it's you. Yeah, that's true. But that's great for singles day. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Everyone's there's, there's me. Yeah. I'll let you know if I find anything though. I feel like Max and Finn would be into metal detecting. Oh, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I'll show them. Max is becoming quite the, he's, it's really going to be interesting. To see what he's going to do in life because he is so equally interested in science as he is in comedy and he does impressions like nobody's business. Really? It's really impressive. And he has the jokes to go along with it. It's really something who has top impressions. Well, you know, he's, he's nine. He does a lot of South Park and family guy. Yeah. And the new, the new addition is pro football referee. Oh, right. The delivery of all of the calls. And he does the wrong hand gestures, but because of course, Finn's over there going, no, Max, you actually, you grab him. You rest and then you, and then but we're like, it doesn't matter. It makes it even better that he's doing the wrong hand gesture. But his delivery and his voice when he does it is really something. Well, maybe he'll do both science and come, he'll be building on the science guy. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe so. I thought about you the other day because I watched, I imagine that you're into Jeff Buckley or you. Oh, yeah. So I watched this document. Yes. Have you seen it? I have not. You got to watch it. Yes. I don't know how I didn't, I was never deeply into him. Oh, you are right. He seems right. He seems like you were born for him. Yeah, he's total. I'm obsessed. I mean, I, I, I was like, I like the album, but watching his like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm singing Hallelujah. Yeah. Oh, my God. I know, I know it. What a beautiful man. Yes. Well, those are our morning thoughts. They are. Those are our morning thoughts. And should we get into other people's thoughts, whatever time zone they're in or day, head space? Mm-hmm. Hello, Hansons. My name is Ken. I am from Portland, Oregon. And I just had to record a message for you to say that I kind of hate you right now because I got the Hanson bands and songs stuck in my head for several days now. I love the song. It's super cute. And it just won't leave my head. So my question is, what songs do y'all get stuck in your head? Thanks for everything. Ken. What? Thank you. I was just saying, Ken, thank you. Oh, oh, I thought you were saying, Ken, like, see it, like, Ken. Ken. Ken Lee. Yes. Thank you, Ken. It is so catchy. It's the only thing that's in my head now. Really? It's catcher than Jeff Buckley. Oh, my Lord. I get the theme song, the Hanson theme song stuck in my head, for sure. Oh, my God. Not holiday wishes. Holiday wishes. I mean, that's like the greatest song ever. I wish it was. I wish it was. Well, we watched it. This is Thomas's creation. Yeah, it is very, very catchy. What are the, like, your warm songs that you sing around the house? Well, you know what? What I sing a lot around the house is that I love you so. Oh, what's that? And I want you to know that I'm gonna miss your love. Oh, don't know it. You walk out that. You don't know that. No, please don't go. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I always say to Stephanie Max, Finn and all of Kitty City, or as I've mentioned, the exhausted sausages, I always say, oh, I love you so. Oh, I love you so. And then it kicks me into, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's not stuck in your head. That's for sure. No, I mean, I don't know then what this says about my life. This is the one I'm just talking about, but it's Adelvice from I'm often singing. Of course. Well, that plus your metal detector. Yeah. No, to Rama. And sometimes I also, that one from Sound of Music, because somewhere in my wicked miserable past, I must have done something good. You know that one? I sure you are standing there loving me whether or not you should remind me when you are singing eggs for breakfast to want some eggs for breakfast to need some. What is this song? How do you like your eggs in the morning? You know, that bear naked lady song that goes, yeah, it's been one week. It's been in my head all the time. It's been a lot of wings. Oh, there is. That is such a great intro to a song. Like, and I'm sure they had no idea it would be such a. Yeah, everybody knows that those two words. Yeah, it's been. You do it really well. Thank you. Please do it again. No, you're overthinking it. You're overthinking it. Yeah, it's been. You did it. You did it. Yeah, it's been. And they're Canadian, right? Yeah, and I'm hosting the, when does this come out, Thomas? January 23rd. Oh, I can't say. I'm okay. Well, I'm hosting a Canadian event. And I'm hoping that they're going to be there. And I'm thinking I might say, yeah, it's been on stage. Just maybe every time I look at them. That's so great. Yeah, it's been one week. Mm-hmm. I don't hear that on the radio much. No, I'm also not listening to the radio much. We're in Canada. It's every second song in Canada is. Oh, it's been. You can't even think of it. And now we know it's only 20 minutes ago, but. Yeah, it's been. Oh, my God. May ruin my life again. I can't believe Ken had no answer. How dare you think you're mad at us, Ken? We're furious. Next question. Yeah, let's hear it. It's been. Was that pretty good? Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, it's been. Thomas. It's been. Yeah. It's okay. All right. What's our next question? Yeah, it's been. Yeah, it's been. Hi, fortune, me and Teg. This is Danielle in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Teg, I saw you last time you were in Tulsa, and you were a light in a very dark time for me. And I've always wanted to say thank you. I would like some advice from you. My question is, how much should I share on social media? The more things happen in the world, the more I wonder, if I'm being hypocritical or cowardly by not speaking out on social media, I decided a long time ago not to be a keyboard warrior. I don't hide my beliefs, and I'm happy to have conversations with people in person. But I feel like arguing online is not productive. I wonder if I should speak out more. I wonder if I should stay more online though. And or if it's okay for me to just continue sharing pictures of my pets and my son and poetry. So what do you think? What's your advice? Thank you. I love you all, and I love listening to your podcast. Bye. Bye. Well, thanks for coming to the show, and I was in Tulsa. I don't know if you've heard me mention this, but I love Tulsa. Really? I do. It's such a cool little city. It's so cool. Yeah, I don't imagine. I couldn't picture you saying, oh, yeah. I love Tulsa. Yeah, let's be honest. Yeah, let's be honest. Yeah, I do have any immediate feelings. I have some. I struggle with it as well. I mean, yeah, it's confusing. I kind of go on a day-by-day basis if something compels me. But also, I'm in a tricky position right now because I'm waiting on a green card to come through. And I'm really genuinely worried about, you know, the idea. Yeah, they tell you that they're going to look at your social media, which is so insane. But I don't know. I'm posting quite a bit. Yeah, I feel some responsibility, if I can share specific resources or direct people to other people who are better informed than me, or, you know, because you have to know your limits as well. But I just, I always feel like I'm not saying enough, basically. But I don't know. I also think social media is kind of, it's like garbage cans. Yeah, it's so tough. But yeah, what about you? I mean, I'll do the same every now and then I'll share something. But I think in general, just sharing in general, I have moments where I'm like, oh, I'm going to say this, or I'm going to post this, or whatever it is. And then when I do, I'm like, what am I doing? Like, who is this, who am I talking to? What am I, you know what I mean? Like, I just, it's so odd. It's like part of it, I feel like, is about making sure that your followers and the people that support you and watch your comedy, you know, where you stand on some things? Like, there's an element of that of like, yeah, it's definitely confusing. Yeah, I just feel like there's also, there's a lot of people that solely live online. And the extent of their activism is just posting things. And that's not to say that's not great. But how many of those people are actually getting out and doing something, you know? And like boots on the ground, doing something, making calls, lobbying, protesting. Yeah. I think that when people, the trap that happens sometimes is that people that live pretty exclusively online, see that as like the real and only world. I remember years ago, something happened with somebody in the comedy community. And maybe I've shared this before, but I don't really ever, I have a Facebook account but I don't ever go on that. I mean, my assistant posts things on there. But I went on because somebody had died or I didn't know it had happened. I was something, something I went on. And I saw somebody else from the comedy community saying, if any of you are still following this person who did this thing to this other person, unfollow me and unfriend me in real life. And I, and it just really struck me where I was like, God, you're making this assumption that I'm on here as much as you are. Right. And that I've gotten all your, not that he was writing it solely to me, but it's this, you start living in a world sometimes thinking that everybody is on all the time. And this is how they're only getting their information. This is how they're only sharing information. And it just becomes, it just really struck me that time that I saw that post. I was like, God, if I hadn't even come on to Facebook, I wouldn't have even known about this thing that was going on. You know, there have definitely been moments where it feels like, yeah, everyone's keeping track of who's not posting a certain thing. Or yeah, in a way that's really paralyzing and insane, because yeah, you don't know what people are doing in their private life. I try to post calls to action more than commentary. And yeah, don't even volunteer and stuff. But I don't know, I do feel, I mean, increasingly, I do feel like some, I don't know what to do, about America, and Gaza. Yeah, so I'm trying to do more, but it's, like, even when I think I've said, when I posted like about the animal paintings and selling those, I got, I got a flock from like, left wing people who were like, hey, you should have done this sooner, but it took me a year to get it set up. And then also people being like, well, you know, you should send it to the money to private families that they're instead of to an NGO. And it's like, oh, man, this is what, this is what stops you from doing it. I know. I think it's so scary. You think you're going to get in trouble for doing the wrong thing. So I think you got to just do a paralyzing. Yeah, do what feels right in the moment. Yeah. But we do for sure have a platform that is useful. So, but then you want to also spread joy and not alienate people, but I don't know. God, what am I? It's really 7 a.m. Yeah, it's 7 a.m. It's almost 7 30. But I stand by everything we said to you. I do. I do. It's tricky. And social media is definitely a tool and a way to be helpful, but it's also a way to be hurtful. And it's also not the only way. Yeah. I mean, the main thing we need to do really is get people to vote. And then lawmakers will make change. And boycott. And boycott. Yes. Yes. I mean, that's a massive thing. But that goes back to sharing outlets. Yes. Specific resources and stuff. But man, yeah, let's get people more politically engaged because then the actual politicians we elect will do their job. And you can also be politically engaged in so many other areas. Yeah. But again, it's complicated. Anyway, thank you, Danielle. Thank you, Ken. And everybody listening, please submit your questions and advice request to speakpipe.com slash handsome pod. Please, please do. Yes, please do. And also please come see me on tour. Go to TIGNOTARO.COM for all of my show information, ticket links, and keep in mind that some dates are going to change. Some cities will be added. And what about you, May? I have, if you go to Maymart and dot in that, my tour is up there. Or check out Wayward on Netflix, please. Or stream my music, actually. I'm trying to get more people to listen to my music. That would be amazing. You're a real talent, kid. Thank you. Thanks. I'm writing some new tunes. Awesome. Well, I guess all the remains is, too. Keep it. Pretty handsome. Handsome is hosted by me, Fortune Feemister, TIGNOTARO, and May Martin. The show is produced, recorded and edited by Thomas Wulette. Email us at handsomepodatgmail.com and follow us on social media at HandsomePod. What a podcast! What a podcast! What a podcast! That was a hit gun podcast.