The Drama

The Frames Per Second Podcast. I'm going to do euphoria. I'm going to do it week to week. I'm going to bring that up because it comes out on Sundays. Yeah. So I don't know how that's going to work. And Nate wants to be on it. She said just let her know if it's week to week. If y'all doing the bad shit, what y'all going to do? if we did it week to week it would have to be virtual it would have to be virtual and I think we should do that week to week but which means virtual Monday I'll sacrifice for euphoria I'm not sacrificing for fucking paradise so I have to see if she's free on Monday too is the new season is the hype big enough it seemed like it I agree it seemed like it's a lot of talk like I'm saying commercials they pushing it now she was just in this movie now I just wanted to hold up cause I know I've been thinking he's not gonna hold up I've been thinking about conversations and people were talking like yeah Fizz is not in it and Fizz is like the moral levity like how they gonna get you and the mom is not in it yeah so it's like Is it just going to be Just butt wild shit The whole time The sister though She I thought she was gone When it finished the date I thought No You're talking about Storm Reid and the mom Yeah Storm Reid is gone I was talking about For moral liberty though I don't know I don't know I don't think it's going to hold up I think it's going to be Pretty wild Personally So Monday Could you record on Mondays When Sorry when The euphoria It'll be Next week Yeah I don't Depend on what time I start a new job on the 20th Oh congrats That's dope Do you be here on Monday? It's virtual Oh it's virtual I probably want to get home Coming from here to where I live at So about 7.30 If they want to record it later I mean it's up to y'all with time Would it be better to do it in person? Is that what you're getting at? Yeah, because my new job is like three minutes away from him. But it's better for him. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, but Roz normally in his office on Mondays. So he'll be around the corner too. It's like less than five minutes. So the first one comes out. It come out the 14th, so the first one will be the 15th, right? I thought it came out on the 12th. I thought it was the 12th. So I'll start to the 20th. So starting after the 20th, I could do it in person. It'll be quicker. if y'all wanted, but if we did it virtual, I wouldn't be able to do it until about 7.30. The only thing would be May getting here in person. Yeah, I thought she's going to want to do that on a Monday. I could do it Monday. I'm just listening to well, paying my gas right now. That's good. That's good. I could do virtual at like 7.30. That's fine. It'll be... Right about rod and even Nick Nick probably Nick probably jump on that issue Danny up on Wednesday. Wait at this gas price come down right? Hell 70 fucking dollars Jesus I'm 50. I say my last car Hurt me diesel is 529 Shit is fucking crazy Oh You better than it, bro. Yeah. And you were all the way down in the building. Yes. Which I should have been covering is invincible. That girl that I showed you, she really liked it. She, if you want to. Have you been watching it? I don't think I'm caught up. I think I'm one episode back. Woo! Wait, five? Yeah. Mike, you were in for some... That came out Sunday? When did the newest episode come out? Tuesday or Wednesday. I know it's in the middle of the week. I just get a notification in the middle of the week. I just thought what I'm doing to go watch Invisible. I was in Knoxville from Wednesday to Monday, so I don't think I saw it. Man, when you get home, go watch Invisible. I forgot about it. I was too busy trying to get on the pit. But I'll check it out. All right, so I guess it's an early day. Yeah, because I don't. Yeah, it will be. All we got is this and source code. Try the reaction when you're doing it. Oh, we can do that, I guess. If you have some. Yeah, that's easy. Okay. Plus I won't be here In two weeks Even like throughout that week I'm going to Bali So I won't be Yeah On our own light Patti LaBelle and Mike Madonna I'm doing those ziplines You see that girl Kid got killed from hitting on the zipline That's it That's it That's it from years ago No That's just happened That's just happened I remember the one woman died on the zipline That was just that she cut her leg And got a flesh-eating virus from a zipline They said this lady died from a head injury. Like she did the zipline thing and hit her head on something and she was okay. But then once they left the zipline place, she started feeling dizzy and fainted. And they took her to the hospital and she died in the hospital. Did she have a helmet on? They were real vague about what happened. But she was from Mario. I'm going to tell you like this. I drive a car every day and watch the pit. Anything can happen. Right. Touche. Because I do it too. All right, folks. Welcome to another episode of the Frames Per Second Podcast. You know, we got a not foreign voice, but not usually hosting voice. Me, Doc, hosting. With me, I have Ken. Hola. Spike. What up? And Mike C. And even though we're covering this film, The Drama, which is more of a rom-com, kind of a dark comedy, this is probably more of like rod's wheelhouse um i will actually be covering covering this film um and before we get into the note nuts and bolts of it damn are y'all familiar with the situation that's going on with the director no okay all right and so i want to say this uh it came to my attention last night and i kind of wanted to let the cast know but i also want their thoughts on of how they feel about the film um so i didn't as a producer i just didn't really let them know so i'll take responsibility of them not knowing this he wrote a letter uh to i can't remember the art newspaper article about 10 years or so where he was having a relationship and he was in norway was having he was 27 having a relationship with a 16 year old now that age is that was the age of consent but he was writing in the letter his friends disapprove of it but he didn't see anything wrong it was real it was real creepy so yeah just to give some i do feel like the topic in this movie is still worth covering um and granted this was just me learning about this last night but i did want to acknowledge that before we got into the film so oh man you knew no you think i'm with a button all right so first things first man what are y'all overall thoughts of the film ken this is my kind of mess hanging alive bros yeah yeah um it's the way it was shot edited the kind of you know jumping back and forth you know some getting used to but right when we got to the end I was like oh shit here we go so it paid off for me what about you Spike? I saw this in Ocean had no idea what it was so I looked it up I read one sentence it said love story I was like oh shit I got to the movies I was the first person there and when people started seeing it it was people were like did you tell me you ordered the off AMC it was going to be full and I started noticing the people coming in oh my god I'm not going to like this number of young white teenagers all last time and I was like I'm going to hate this but I love this this shit was fire I was thinking about this when I left I thought about this when I woke up this movie was good I liked the way it was shot to Ken's point I think the ending was predictable but they still nailed it like i liked the whole movie this was fire okay i bet you might i'm surprised i loved it i didn't think they were gonna like it yeah i thought this was fantastic it was great the acting was incredible the topics were very interesting the way things played out the commentary the critique all that was just great yeah we're four four four like i really love this like i put on my story and a lot of my friends like you like that i'm like yeah i'm like go see it like that's how i felt like it was marketed wrong yeah well no i think i think yeah because i was talking at a bar last night with my friend my friends and they were telling me their expectations of what they think it's going to be and i'm like okay that may be if you may not like it if you really set on those expectations of the film being like that but if you're open to where it takes you you'll be fine i'm curious what was it marketed as like what i saw romantic yeah that's what i read and i stopped rearing yeah i was like damn nothing romantic about this shit at all yeah it was romantic i mean but it's not romantic but my okay my idea of what romantic comedies are this was way darker than what i expected and i think that's part of it too is questioning like love and romance like what does that really mean it Reminded me of the movie I've been trying to get y'all to watch closer. It's similar in tone to that. I'm going to put it on the list because I got Mike's movie in the move for love on the list for when I travel. And then I'll put that on the list too. Mine's actually good though. You didn't even see it. I don't have to. You recommended it. I don't trust you. All right. That's when we come back. Well, we open up the film with introductions to Emma and Charlie. they meet in a coffee shop where Charlie discovers the disability that Emma is deaf in one ear while trying to hit on her what were your first impressions on both of these characters in the opening scene about their romance? I was like I'm not gonna like this movie I was like it's fucking cutesy I don't care about this I was like alright whatever and I was also getting the feeling which might go to what you just told me but it was like I feel like Robert Pattinson is much older than Zendaya but that's probably not true I think I just always think that she's like 16 or some shit is this the dude who played Batman? yeah I just always feel like he's like 40 and she's like you know 19 or some shit but I'm sure that's wrong but either way I was just like okay this is a cutesy love story alright whatever I was thinking the same thing corny white guy really attractive black girl I really don't even see this well lady of color I really don't see this going I don't think she black Yeah she black She from the Bay And she's from the Bay bro You haven't seen that video Tom Holland meeting her family I haven't seen that You right They all around him Cause he's Spider-Man He cool about it But you can say he little off I don't really want her life She got real black. Real black. I remember that. You're right. And that's the difference between the two of them. Yeah. But I was with Mike. I was like, okay, if I'm going to do something corny with this movie. I don't know if I'm here for it. Yeah, she from Oakland, my boy. Okay. Yeah, I remember that. Now that you're talking about that video, I definitely remember that. Yeah, I was like, y'all got it. Yeah, ladies and gentlemen. I guess I was just here. I was just here. I didn't like, didn't turn me off either way. It was like, cool. What do y'all think about the flashback scenes that we were getting and learning about the romance that they were having? That's when I became interested. Okay, for the story a different way. I wonder why they're telling the story like this jumping back and forth and back and forth to the present day. And I thought it was interesting. It was a unique way to move down a timeline. I thought that was dope. Yeah, I agree. How'd you feel, Ken? Didn't seem like they really liked each other. You heard that? What? Well, he seemed like he had sort of issues with some of the things that she did. So I thought that this was, you know, because he was talking about how she laughed and stuff like that. Is that what he was talking about? Yeah, but he said it was adorable, but it's obnoxious. Well, I got what he meant. Okay, okay. You don't know if that, I mean, my girls have stuff like that where it's like, oh, my God, that's terrible, but I like it that you do that. Yeah, it seemed like they were complaining about one another, though. So it seemed like they were about to get married but didn't want to get married. or maybe they would just have apprehensions about it. I didn't get any of that. I didn't get that at all. I got that they really were infatuated with each other. Oh. All those little small things, good or bad, I'm just into you. Even when he found out he didn't read the book, he was still like, she's like, well, all right. Okay, all right, let's just keep moving. I guess that's kind of cute. Yeah. I liked the conversation with him and the black dude. He was like, it's weird that you didn't. He was like, no, it's weird that I, I thought it was weird that he didn't read it. I agreed with his black friend. I didn't think those were. Really? No. I think it's more psycho if you read a whole book before a date. Facts. That makes you a creep. Really? Yeah. I feel like if I brought this up to you, then I obviously probably would come up on a date, so you at least want to read the cliff notes. I agree with that part. I just wouldn't have read the whole book. Yeah, going to, you're going to sit and read the whole book for the first date. It's different if I told you this on the third date. We already get to know each other. I'm like, oh, I'm really feeling you. I don't even know who you are yet. I'm not about to take my time to read a whole book that's taking like hours out of my day before i date i might would do that i might would do that damn especially for a zendaya nigga trying to get the ass like that man you put in extra work for that all right well in these scenes we learn about their romance and we also learn that they're engaged so like y'all mentioned charlie is practicing his wedding speech with his best man who we meet is mike but we also meet rachel and like the past conversations with emma and i don't need y'all to react to anything but it's what i mentioned rachel that's all i was like you come out the camera but um what did y'all think about i guess y'all already mentioned it is just the editing as far as it going back and how like did it it allowed the movies to flow better did it kind of take away from it if it had just been traditional i don't think i would have liked it as much this this brought me into the story more it kept taking you to different places and You got more information each place you went to. I loved it. I liked the editing of it. The editing was definitely cool, but it wasn't until we get to the wine tasting that I actually got pulled in. Before that, I was like, all right, this is a cute little love story. And I like, I can't remember his name, the black guy. Every time I see him, I like him. He did really good. He's always good. I ain't never seen him in anything. I bet you have. Yeah, you have. What do you think? I cannot think of his name. yeah anyway he's becoming like the dude from shrinking that was just on the recent episode you start seeing them pop up you can't remember their names like i'm seeing you everywhere now like my boy from the bear to the patient chef okay yep yeah so what might just mention well no before we get there in preparation for the wedding there they went and did a dance and but They leave in practice. And they see their ceremony, DJ, smoking heroin. So while testing the foods and the wines at the dinner with the best man and the maid of honor, they share their skepticism about hiring them for the wedding. Spike. Was the DJ wrong for doing a little heroin, you know, a little dope? She was partying. Is that a big issue? It wasn't none of their business, I feel like. I wouldn't have fired her. I think they made too big of a deal. Because you know people who do crack. Right. And I don't judge them. Yeah. Let them rock out, man. Let them fuck on that glass bitch, right? I wasn't supposed to see her right there, man. So, like, yeah, I think they were overreacting. You know, that's what you... What, you really doing heroin, though? Yes. Yeah. Yes. Because she had me damn near convinced at the end of the movie. There's only a few drugs you're doing out there that are a little full of money. with the heroin. And I don't think you really just smoke crack that way. You put crack in the pipe. You see somebody smoking out of a little aluminum foil thing like that? Yeah, that's her. Yeah. You think it was an issue? Was she good at her job? They didn't know yet. No, I thought they had just finished doing the dance routine. Because remember she put that song on and he doesn't like. That was the choreographer. You racist motherfucker. They did look alike, but you racist motherfucker. So, yeah, they were right because they don't know her then. I didn't know. I thought it was the same person. She had to get hired on a good recommendation. I don't like for them to hire her for a wedding. I feel like she had to be a good teacher. Yeah, but they don't know her, though. I thought it was the dance teacher. No. But that was the DJ. What business is it of theirs that would she do with her free time? I got both sides. I do think that, I mean, I think they were really setting this up to see how the personality of Emma is different from, I forget, Charlie. name charlie how their their levels of acceptance are different but i 100 get why you'd be like wait a minute like if she was smoking weed i wouldn't think that heroin is different it is crack is different it's not it's cool too say yes if she snorted a lot of coke i'd be like all right whatever who cares but you're out in the open smoking heroin it's out in the open more so for me i just can't tell you to do a job no bro you out in the open you in front of a building doing heroin like it ain't nothing like yeah and like i've been told harrowly the smell when you do it is like you out here it is definitely heroin no like i don't know what like that and get away with it what can you what yes what do you ask if white people smoke heroin on the open you don't remember when i told the story of the when we played philly my old band they took all of our money and they said there was no door money and they were smoking fucking heroin upstairs i don't know if i remember that story and we could smell it i was like bro are y'all serious that is not i don't say normal but that's not that crazy for white drugs and public white people is part of privilege we gotta hide it right we go to jail we gotta hide it was broad daylight it It was nighttime. It was at a party. She stepped outside. I didn't know about three people outside. It looked like it was at a party. She stepped outside. It was out in the open for me. Like, damn, you just doing heroin out in the open. I'm jumping. I smell the line. I'm doing heroin in front of a building. That's crazy. So what does that show, Bad Judgment? It shows bad judgment, and I don't know if I can trust you to be there on time. You might steal a bridesmaid's purse. I don't know how much I trust you. We're going to get back to all that when we get to it. But if that's your reason, we're going to get back to that. Okay. All right. So while still at the tasting, this leads to Rachel sharing how her and Mike answered the question. What's the worst thing you've ever done before they were married? Terrible idea. Now, before we completely dive into this sequence, I'm going to ask this question a couple of times. Uh-oh. But at this moment, who is probably your most unlikable character? If you have one. I didn't have one. I was just trying to get through the movie. I didn't like my man, the leading dude. Charlie? Yeah, I didn't like him. Why? He just seemed like a dick. Charlie? How? Charlie looked like a little... Yeah, like a little lame. He was a dick to me. No. He wasn't like with the dance thing. He was just stuck up. He had his moments, but more of he was he definitely came across as more of a pushover and stuff like that no he was stuck up to me because even with the dancing and the choreography we're wasting her time like he didn't think that that was funny when he was bitching at us he pulled his pants down when they were trying to change the dance he was like i ain't trying to do this choreographed dance that i wouldn't i want to let oh i didn't take this suck up dick he can't dance yeah and he was embarrassed and he was trying to get her to just be like let's just try or whatever i didn't take get stuck up she was trying to make him do something he didn't want to do he it was his idea yeah but at that point he realized he didn't want to do it anymore no she didn't want to do it she was like this is stupid because he kept trying to get it right he was so rigid and i gotta get this stuff right i thought she was like he didn't want to do that no she wasn't good at it he wasn't good at it so he started freaking out a little bit she was like okay well let's just not do it that's why she played a different song yeah they played a little fun song and he got upset yeah that was again trying to show their difference in personality she's always accepting and she's always trying to give people the benefit of the doubt and make things comfortable that's why i thought they were not made for each other they just look like that's what i was wondering too where this movie going like they're gonna break up for some reason that's what i thought they were a good match like that shit was toxic i didn't get that at all i didn't get that it looked like they weren't being truthful to each other no i thought the opposite i thought they were in love Yeah, I thought they were really in love. Even at the tasting, too, before the question got asked, they were really vibing. You could tell they were really into each other. The way they were talking about the food and how she would basically say something about what needed to be decided upon and he would reinforce it. Yeah, I thought they were good. I thought that was just in her face, just to appease her. I just thought he was a dick. I think Robert Patterson did a good job with that character he did a good job acting but I just like the character was a dick he seemed like a completely different person he had good mannerisms way of talking he did a really good job is he from England for real? I don't know I thought he was from here he's a white man they all come to me touche alright so Rachel volunteers is that mike shares the slips shares his story and that the whole table would then share as men in here never never what would you have done if you were mike mike's a black dude yep and if he's trying to force me to tell this story yeah we ain't doing that we ain't doing that at all i one i don't feel like i feel like this was the least bad what wait am i not remembering He kind of hid behind his girl While she got bit by a dog You think he was the least bad? It's not I think Chris Charlie had the weakest one What was Charlie's like? Cyberbullying Okay, you think Mike had the least bad You think Charlie had the least bad Who do you think had the least bad? What was the She locked somebody in the fucking trailer And left them out there That's the worst one to me out of all four yeah i'm more stuck on the least bad okay that's the part that's tripping me out i mean for him that we shouldn't rank him i feel like it's no we should rank him i'm just bugged out by y'all's ranking i feel like that tracks for him it was a girl he really didn't like her anyway crazy dog in the alley he putting her in front of me you think that's the least bad okay and you still have an answer no because i i mean i have i have been bullied before so that's cyberbullying i know how but i don't know i really don't know i when i were a cyber i was like that's it but they he made him leave town yeah it's a big deal he fucked up his whole and bottom two right i think i'm questioning what movie y'all saw what are you saying emma's was the least bad she didn't do anything hers was easily the least bad everybody else actually did something and affected the person he's right he's right i'm i'm i i like i like getting into the movie i I didn't even think about it that way. He's right. Wow. You're right. He's right. But when we watched the movie, I'm sitting here like, this ain't that big of a deal. But I'm sitting here thinking, yeah. For whatever reason, I was only comparing the three. You know what? You're right. I actually. I meant I asked all four, but I'm still just thinking about the three. I said the three, the total outside of it. To your point in my head, I actually excluded her because she didn't do anything. Exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I get. Yeah. I wasn't thinking about it. And I said all four, but I'm still going to think these other three are just terrible people. Everybody else was a piece of shit. No, you're right. You're talking about Jesus. I mean, just let this girl get mauled by a dog. He was going to break up with. That don't matter. That's fucked up. That's abusive. You and me, man. That's abusive. I would not have told that fucking story. And I would have told my girl, you need to shut the fuck up. Right now. Right now. The joke is over. The game is over. You need to shut up. He got pumped. So when Rachel volunteered that everybody at the table would do it if you were Charlie, what would you have said? Charlie was, I mean, his was whatever. No, no, I'm saying when she volunteers that everybody at the table, even though Mike's your homeboy, you can see Mike is uneasy about it. Yeah. And now his girl is at the table saying, well, all of us are going to tell us our worst thing ever. It's a fun game because I would definitely play the game. but I could the thing about it is this if there's something that's that fucked up I'm just not gonna say it say something else the time I went on a first date and I shat in her backyard that's the worst thing I've ever done there you go that's a real story that's worse that's worse than the dog no it's not I didn't hurt anybody I had to shit and she was in the shower So I was like well I gotta shit So I went and shot in her backyard I wasn't gonna use leaves I had to wait until she came out of the shower To go wipe I was like I gotta I couldn't hold it bro Yeah it's the only droves No my shit came out clean Right in the backyard But I'm saying I would have said some shit like that If there's shit I could tell you that's worse I would never I never would have played that game at all. I wouldn't have played. I would have made it the worst. I think I'm down for telling my partner before we get married, though. I'm not even doing that shit. That's a good point. I'm down to telling my partner. I kind of will. I'll be jumping ahead if I said, yeah, that's a good one. You understand I'm telling your partner? No, because you don't know. Well, if I would have told my partner, it would have been before we were actually engaged. I'm not going to wait to and some change to tell him like yo when I was a kid I got fucking bullied and I was planning a school shooting either that or I'm going to keep it to myself right yeah so that comes early on in the relationship yeah but look let me go ahead and tell you the worst shit that I got I'm just saying eventually I would tell them if I'm really fucking with you and I think we locked in I want you to know you would tell your bad shit I want them to have a full understanding of me. And you don't want her to find it out later. Yeah, exactly. We're going to a whole other... We're going to move. I feel like you can't tell me that after we already married. That's my part. Yeah, we can't. You can't tell me. Yeah. That's what I said before. Sometime before, you're going to know everything. I'm going to give you my darkest secrets. You need to know everything. Because you would be mad if she didn't. If you came out and found out that she had a twelvesome or whatever, you'd be like, I can't believe you didn't tell me that. Alright. It's a divorce. You don't want to get a divorce. That's why you tell him ahead of time. Think about that. She comes out later at the party. You're not going to let it go? Probably not. With the 12-some-odd shoot notes. That's a lot of people. Okay, that's a good. Clarify which one we're talking about. Clarify. I knew what Ken was thinking. He don't care about the school shoot. He'd rather be a school shoot. He'd rather be a school shoot than all y'all shooting up my girl. Oh, my God. If we deep, me deep in it, they were deep in it. I don't know, man. If it was just all on her, if it was like an orgy. No, it was a 12-seam. Yeah, it was a 12-seam. Does that mean? But that could mean. Okay, you're right. That's what I'm saying. That could mean. That could mean. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, if everybody having a good old time, then I'm like, ah. Right. Trying to make it make sense, Jamie. No, I'm being honest. I'm talking about it was like you had a good night. Now, this was a thing you was eventually doing. No, just at one time. It was 12 dudes. And one hurt? Yeah. Way better than me. Yeah, because I have 12. Now, 12 on one, I can't do it. If it's like an orgy, everybody's having a good old time. Yeah, orgy, I can. I mean, I'm not going to do all. I'm about to ask questions. Like, how did this happen? Yeah, that would be my... I would have to say it. The context of it would have to be existed. 12 something means y'all all in the room at the same time. Yeah. I would let it go. I mean, if it was well before me, who cares? The thing about it is, your girl, would you cry if she had fucked 12 guys, period? No. Right. So it's just a matter of those 12 guys at one time. At one time. It's the one time. Who cares? I'll go reword it, rewrite it. Absolutely. I don't know how the 12 was divided. It's mine again. That's the only bathroom Can't say it could have been 12 different rooms It could have been 12 different houses And everybody listening Y'all can say whatever the fuck All your vote bullshit I don't care I'm out You would love to have more content From Frames for Second Become a patron where you can contribute to what we review And discuss Our Patreon gives the listeners the power to nominate and vote a monthly discussion and film review, while also nominating and voting on weekly solo reviews from each cast member. You also get the opportunity to vote on the publicly released anniversary film, all exclusive to our Patreon. So become a patron at patreon.com frames per second, where there are two tiers you can choose from. That's patreon.com forward slash frames per second. At the conclusion of this scene, though, we get the plot twist that's revealed that Emma said she once planned a school shooting. Did this change the tone of the film? Hell yeah. I stood up in my seat from here. I was like, oh, you know you were clowning. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, I was like, oh, okay. Because I was thinking to myself, what the fuck would I do if somebody told me that? Like, did they plan the school shoot? Like, how would I judge them? So it got super interesting to me right there And their responses What do you think of their responses I thought that white lady was being a Karen Let me be honest with you I understand that you had a cousin. We don't even know if she was cool with it or not. I don't know if she just brought it up. They never really got to the bottom of it. No, they did. They weren't close. Is that what you got from the meeting and seeing? When he met up with her on the street, she asked, but she was vague and saying, well, that's my family. Yeah, exactly. I thought what you would say if you were close. Close to your cousin. Okay, you got it. But, yeah, I thought the responses were interesting, and I'm immediately thinking now, okay, where is this movie going from here? So, yeah, that was super interesting. What about you, Ken? I did not sit up, but I was like, first I thought she was just fucking with him. I thought she was lying. And then I'm like, oh, she's serious. Then I was like, well, she didn't do it. and then i was like that's it and then i was like okay and then the reaction from rachel i was like oh i hate this motherfucker and i was waiting for somebody at at that table to check her yes and no one ever did and it bothered the shit out of me that she went the rest of the movie without getting checked i i she evil i hate that motherfucker but um but i was like well she didn't do it then what's Why is everybody so freaked out about it? You know, so that was the thing that was bothering me. What about you, Mike? I think it's crazy to tell somebody that you planned it. Oh, and that was the other thing. I never would have said something like that. I think it's, yeah, what probably would scare me more than you doing it, because you didn't do it, like you said. And we come to find out she actually became an activist, but I just feel like you telling me is like a warning or something like that. See, I didn't take it as like a warning at all. You know, and I think maybe she felt that since she did not do it, it was okay to tell it. You know, but I don't know. I didn't take it as a warning. Yeah, I don't know. I don't read it that way. So, yeah, I didn't take it as a warning. And I also don't take that she thought it was not that big of a deal. Let me go ahead and tell. I believe that she was drunk. Because she says multiple times, I was drinking. And she threw up. Well, she threw up multiple times whenever she talked about it. I thought that was an excuse, but go ahead. No, I did at first until I really thought about it. I was like, there's no reason she would have told that story. I think that she was a little bit tipsy because if you watch her expression. When he poured another drink, they focus in on. They focus on the drink, but they also kept showing her face when the other people were giving their stories. She was like, oh, God, don't call on me. She was going to call on me. She was tipsy, and it got to her, and she just fucking spilled her dumb guts. But I understand why they flipped out because that's a very taboo thing. but personally if my girl told me that i'd be like all right you didn't do it right cool let's move on i wouldn't have bugged out because the first thing i caught besides the rachel being a fucking karen was nobody asked her why because my thing is my thing is this rachel's was the fucking worst you locked a special needs kid in a closet and left him there and didn't say shit and they found him luckily and he was okay. The next day. And she still didn't think that was she was like I think they found him. Right. That part was pissing me off but nobody asked her like okay well why why did you want to do the school shooting? I mean as somebody that was bullied in school I never thought about shooting up a school because that wasn't the thing yet for us. I graduated before Columbine happened. I can't say I might have thought that shit too. Not shoot up the entire school i'm i guess in trouble but i might have been like man yo no how can i get revenge on these motherfuckers that are ruining my fucking life definitely thought about some niggas who's just bullying you when i was at my first school like the fuck yeah how can i end it like i i can't you're bigger than me right i'm not gonna beat you hand on it like so i bring something i want to beat your ass yeah i thought about it like i bring a bat and beat your ass in front of everybody you won't beat on me no more yeah because mine was a group of people it wasn't like it was just one two or three it was like dan and the whole fucking basketball team the whole all the jocks fucking hated me so i looked at it and i was like all right but i also knew i was watching a movie and i was like okay they're gonna flip out but um i can't remember which one of y'all said it i was i was pissed that she didn't get checked either mike should have been like yo you need to fucking chill out yeah yeah he was pissing me y'all mike was a pussy too in his movie he was a bitch because she was doing way too like i get it it's an emotional tie to hers since with her cousin allegedly but it wasn't that it was just too much like yeah because you're acting like this your friend like you're going to be on a moral high horse exactly that's all it was it seemed like she never even liked emma because you went this fucking far like she said i didn't do it one everybody's telling you very meekly to chill out yeah and she's still taking it to the like oh my god like bitch shut up damn but I feel you Spike yeah I do I was thinking I was like man Jesus Christ somebody please tell me like oh my god this scene was so well done oh my god this scene was so especially because Charlie was like wait did you really do it he couldn't tell me he was in disbelief She's fucking around. She's like, she's not feeling. She's going, man. She's doing it. And he over there did that too. Don't be joking. Don't be joking. Oh, this dude was so good. I'm thinking about how stupid his face look right now. I'm too annoying. His whole character arc now. You know what I'm laughing? Man. He didn't do it. I really don't think I would have bugged out. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. You planned the school shooting. How far did you go with it? Oh, I brought the gun to the school. What? You brought the gun to the school? It's crazy. But you didn't do it. let's move on you fucking hid behind your girl and used her as a human shield you have no moral high ground right now you locked a special needs kid in the closet you have no moral and then charlie fucking cyberbullied some kid until he cried and moved his whole family yeah y'all can't say shit to me only reason i do i i was on the fence with charlie is because he was like he could you still did it but he was like they moved because um it was coincident it was maybe a coincidence that they move at the same time but he didn't know yeah he didn't know yeah it's still that he did was fucked up it's just he was trying to like lean into like like yeah he was this innocent guy so it made it feel like a little they made the punch feel a little less as heavy yeah yeah um so after being berated by rachel think about it did you say uh it did change the tone of the film for me like uh it made me i didn't sit up but i was like we in some shit now yeah and it wasn't i saw the trailer so i knew eventually a plot like the twist was coming i didn't know what it was going to be though like i didn't know like they gave me enough to know that something changed them from being all happy and lovely so i was like all right so when it was like i'm like oh so y'all gonna talk like y'all gonna have to talk about this like we don't have to have a conversation about this that's what made me more intrigued about the tone i was like so but how are you going to make this a rom-com if this is what y'all It doesn't. No, it wasn't. And the trailer tricked you. I don't know if anybody else watched the trailer. The trailer makes it seem like Robert Pattinson has the fucked up thing. I thought it was in there. Oh, I read it like Robert Pattinson has... Because the trailer makes it seem like he's spending the rest of the movie trying to get her back. Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. That's what I got from the trailer. So when it ended up being her, that's why it hit me so hard because I wasn't expecting it. I was expecting his shit to be fucked up. So when he gave the cyberbullying, you thought they were going to come back to something else? Yeah, I thought what he was doing was he was doing what we said earlier. Just give them some bullshit, but your real thing is worse. That's what I thought they were doing. So I thought they were going to leave, and at some point he was going to tell her, like, all right, look, what I really did was I killed a baby. You know what I mean? I shot a baby in the hand. You know? Dark. Well? But, yeah. so at the bn berated by rachel emmett vomits at the table charlie and emma return home where the two head to bed without really speaking on what just happened because charlie doesn't want to really talk about it however the next morning before uh they both uh get up we get a couple of uh cutaways of both the wedding conversation and the relationship between the too how did y'all feel about these these uh cutaways how did it impact the impending conversation was the conversation with the black guy real or was he like a dream was he thinking i honestly don't know could y'all too i couldn't tell i 100 think it was safe you think that was right yeah okay gotcha yeah he was like you need to leave right now don't even go back to get clothes i was like i don't know don't even go get your clothes just leave they showed it happening and then they then they kind of like did like a slow pan of zendaya sitting on the bed so you kind of get the impression that this is her imagining her going through it in her head okay the same thing that he does yes he hasn't had a dream of the way where everybody was shot everybody was shot killed that was crazy yeah yeah i think it was fake yeah this is where the editing kind of really started to come in and help help the movie because now you're getting to see like their imagination but they have been doing this the whole time so it's hard to you know separate truth from reality I mean what is it? Truth and fiction? Yes, thank you. So, Charlie begins to ask Emma questions about why she felt this way, how close she was to doing it, etc. At this moment, who are you feeling more empathetic for? Emma or Charlie? Emma, why would I feel empathy for Charlie? I wouldn't like it. Of course, you're talking about Spike, though. I know. That's who I was talking to. Wait. What? Marry a crazy person. He's not crazy. What? I fucking hate you. Wait, wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I felt him. Wait. Wait. Hold on. I felt him. I felt him. Wait. Wait. Hey. Let's slow down on these reservations. Let's do real anything about this. Yeah. Let's slow down. Let's put this wedding back a little bit. I probably was a little punk, too. No. Why are you acting like this? She didn't shoot anybody. You act like she's going to fucking kill you. Like, because you got the propensity. Just start playing back in your mind. What did I tell you? Get your shit together, man. No. And stay in the line. That's why I would have said he, because I ain't doing all of that. You're just getting to stay in the line. You might come and die. Oh, sir. I felt him. Are you serious? I mean, they were trying to make you feel it because, like, you know, he went back and he started thinking about when they were fucking. Oh, wait. The taxi thing. He snapped off on the taxi. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, hold up. I remember that. I would do that. Yeah. Huh? Well, never mind. I would, yeah. I am the one in the relationship. Yes. So, never mind. I'll take that back. No, you're right. But, yeah. But it seemed normal to me. But I think given what he knows now, he's looking at her differently like Spike would. I thought he was after like a little pump, bro. You got to also consider who we're talking about. This is like some little wavy white boy from England where these problems don't happen over there. And they're kind of setting the precedent. Like even just by the way he walked up and approached her, he was just like all meek. And, you know, I think they were trying to set it up like he would not be used to this. Let me tell you something right now. If my girl did what Emma did in front of that taxi, I'd be like, oh, you wish I'd get you home, girl. I love this. Because I'm the one that's always doing this, and she's always waiting, like, stop. Dave, stop. And I'm like, what you mean stop? She's like, who cares? Let it go. And I'm like, God damn it. But no. Anyway. No, no. I don't have any empathy for Charlie. I don't know. Because even when he was doing it, I'm like, ain't nothing wrong with nothing that she did just now, bro. No. Everything was like, even the slap, like, the slap, you can be like, hold on, I know you loving this shit, but damn, hold on. But he did, you hit him again. That's what I'm saying. Even if you don't like it and it happens with your partner, there's a conversation to be having. All right, hold on. Let's talk about why you feel comfortable slapping me. Yeah, but without consent, did he consent to it? No, he told her, he gave the impression that he didn't like it and she still did it again. I thought. Oh, but that is, that does actually turn him on. He said something after the second one. He said something after the second one. But I thought after the first one, he was like, what the hell? But that also could fall into the role of that sort of thing, too. He rolled with the first one. And then the second one, he was like, did she slap this ass again? She hit him like three times, bitch. It was three. Yes, the third one did it. Oh, yeah. I can't. Even that didn't seem out. It wasn't that crazy of a thing. Like, if my girl slapped me like, ah, let's talk about. Baby, why do you feel so comfortable? You think you can slap me while we be fucking? Like, we need to talk about this. I don't look at you as being crazy. Even with the situation that he was in, I still wouldn't look at you as being crazy. Just like, you got to, that's a thing for you? I guess it's when you add all of them together, though. That's why I would be, because now I'm like, now, at one point you got to where you was about to shoot up at school. So, what would scare me? Can you ask why I'd be tripping? Because I don't know how far you're going to go. It may happen. You might decide to shoot me one day. You know what I'm saying? I don't know how far it's going to go before you get to your breaking point. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I don't know your breaking point no more. But this was like, and they showed it, like she was constantly being bullied and tortured. Yeah, but you don't got no context to that as her husband. They made it make sense. They made it make sense. They didn't have the conversation. She even told, but at the same time, the only way it would get to that point with you is if you were doing that same shit to her that some of the people were doing. So if you were fine and the relationship was fine as it was, you're safe. And I guess I'm not going to get that complete. So let's get as far as like within the review itself. We also begin to get scenes from Emma's past. So before you even before we see that Charlie is thinking about being slapped in the cross crosswalk situation, we begin to get the backstory about Emma. so what did you think of emma's responses and robert's questioning in this moment it felt like a kid that like she never he hinted at the therapy thing she never really talked it out and you could tell she never really talked it out so it it was interesting in the sense of the movie hearing her talk through this with somebody who she loved what i didn't like is his response like he wasn't as open to it as i feel like he should have been he was being kind of judgmental we too late in the relationship to be that judgmental so i do agree with you guys there yeah yeah i agree with spike man he wasn't trying to listen yeah and i felt like you know he was also putting more pressure on her for something that she didn't go through with you know trying to really understand it and shit i was wondering how she will react and respond to that pressure because i have that scene of the of the wedding so now at this point i'm writing a movie in my head they're gonna keep badgering her and pressure her into this and she's gonna fucking snap so what that scene was that we saw that i guess was his imagination uh i thought that that was real and that we were going to eventually get there because of uh everybody else the karen mike and then charlie i had the same thought i was like are they gonna end this movie like that i had this name thought yeah i i didn't feel that way i felt because she was also she's also threw up again um i just felt that she she had a lot of uh empathy or like she just felt bad she really felt bad for even having the thought back then yeah that is true i felt more of an uneasiness from her when he was questioning her like she was trying her best to be honest with him but because he wasn't as welcoming or like handling handling the questions with tech he was just more so trying to make himself feel better as compared to being empathetic for her that's why i i have more empathy for her compared to charlie because it's like you're not even giving her the space to really like get through this and talk to you the way she should be able to um and so yeah i didn't i didn't take it as far as like... You bring up a good point there in the sense of it's more normalized here if she's American versus him being an England person. Even the other movie we did with the Asian and they had the whole school shooting thing with their... What's the name of it? Y'all know what I'm talking about. Slanted. Slanted. How normalized it is in American culture and she was thinking like, I mean it's just something that we do i know it's fucked up she's probably thinking in her head but it was normal to me so it seems so obscure and crazy dude because it don't happen where you're from this happens where i'm from i was getting bullied and i was like that's to the length i got to so i did agree with the difference of cultures and how it would be so shocking to him and her just talking about it more calmly trying to figure it out for him yes i think for rachel and mike not no that's not their excuse but even she said it she was like a lot was happening when she was in school a lot was happening a lot of school shoes were have always happening and i guess somewhat somewhere along the line she thought it was cool even speak to idolizing some of the school yeah like it kind of got normalized which is something that kids today like it's a way to be remembered and it's becoming more and more common because it's like yo nobody's doing anything about it but that person is remembered from doing the person to do something crazy at the school so yeah i think we got a lot here about emma's past too she also talked about her moving from schools and how she didn't have no friends like she said when she was younger it was fine and then when she moved in middle school she didn't really have that many friends if he was he saw the kids picking on her so we get a lot there um her parents went around like she didn't talk to them really she said yeah it was a lot that added up to as the the viewer of like okay i get this how what happened to you maybe she couldn't read maybe check out this is the mice tomorrow um unfortunately the couple cannot get cannot continue the conversation and they have to meet with the photographer but the photographer sends the uncomfortability between the two of them and offers to do a practice run now while the pictures are being taken this is when charlie begins to start thinking about the past of it it's like why they're taking the picture and he's thinking about he's even re like reimagining her as a 14 year old like as he with her talking like looking at him what did y'all think of this this scene and how they use the cutaway all of this was so good in the sense of like the photographer feeling something was off and then when she was taking the picture like no a real smile like no a smile and she he just couldn't bring himself to be happy in that moment because he was thinking about the shooting and shit the way that they shot this and told this was so well just like through the photography like i can see that there's an awkwardness here that y'all ain't got over and y'all need to work on it and neither one of them being because she also was like i wonder what he's thinking which was making her anxious so because she could feel that he yes he knew he was off so he was anxious about what he was thinking about her and she was anxious about what he was thinking about her so yeah yeah i um no it was good i think using a younger version of her in that moment was dope uh that was a great uh choice and there was even a uh a cut to the woman behind the desk and i don't know what that meant i was like dang is this motherfucker gonna start cheating now i thought the tension was so thick that she could even tell she could even feel it oh okay okay like even the secretary's like what's wrong with dude yeah but no this was good him trying to force that smile i think i thought his act was good here trying to force a smile that wasn't a real smile yeah yeah so you said shot and so the scene started out with her like i'm gonna shoot i'm gonna shoot your parents i'm gonna shoot you like did that did that comedy work for y'all did it undercut the tension it worked it worked it was like the same tone as this movie like it was it was so good i liked it yeah i do like that i actually laughed in the theater at that because you can get what they were doing but it still worked uh so it was a good play on words and how the meanings of words change you know uh when you have some other thing in your head like the whole context of that word just became completely different for both of them yes and all the thinking about is are the shooting shooting shootings and not in relation to like this photo and she just kept going i'ma shoot you i'ma shoot your hair and when you point at them i'ma shoot you then i'ma shoot you like that i was in that laughing they got three like audible moments for me in this film i think that was the laugh and then like the gasp at the two of them the gasp at the two other ones i'm like oh like i said it out loud the other time i said i said what the fuck yeah and like the white woman next to me looked at me i'm weird i'm yeah i'll explain it I think my whole theater, because it was younger people, collectively in the same moment, she was like, oh, what the fuck? So you can feel the uneasiness from both of the characters. Once back home, Charlie asked how close she was to committing the shooting. When he learns that there was another shooting and the fallout from that is what caused Emma to stop. we also begin to see the mall the mall like the the conversations around the mall shooting that stopped her uh did the film begin to like build out a more developed material with this given with how heavy this topic was did they help give us a lot of the insight for emma yeah it made sense like even more so when we start to learn who she is and how you shouldn't be judging her because she became an advocate like she started speaking against it heavily and like she she got into gun groups and did the protests and i think even later on the dad's speech talked a lot about that too so it was something that was very dark and haunting that turned her into an activist for it and i thought that was very depthful for her character and it gave it more and as a viewer now i'm empathizing with her more for having to go through this with these stuck up ass people So you think it was enough for her to make a change? What about you, Ken? Yeah, yeah, I do. I wonder, because I don't know if Rachel knew that, and if she did know that. Well, she found out, but it still wasn't enough for her. It wouldn't have been enough. Nothing was going to be enough. Yeah, and, you know, the one thing that she's upset with her about, she turned into an advocate against and trying to prevent them. She's actually doing more good now off of something that she was actually about to do and that could help save other people so you don't have the same emotional feeling or fake emotional feeling that you do about your cousin. I did like that they did that with her. I think it did a good job of kind of rounding out you know her character showing everything that she went through uh the reason why she didn't do it made sense even her practicing and all those stuff was well done and some of the other reasons why she didn't do it like she was recording her video and the computer kept you know checking up so it was a lot of signs in the universe about uh that stopped her from doing it and then she turned around and became uh an advocate you know for so i thought that was So this is enough. And like for me, I think the biggest thing was just community. Like we show how it was showing us how important community was. Like the reason she wanted to do it is because she felt alone. Nobody cared. And as time went on, she realized that, all right, there are people who actually care about me. When the boy first asked her to become a part of the group, that was something sparked. And when they asked her to be the leader to speak, like that really was a big change. things for her too you can see how how much it mattered to her and how it felt good to be seen and be in the community so shouldn't she have included that at the wine tasting like it would have made it come off a little bit better y'all don't think i mean how would she though would she say well worst thing i ever did i almost or i had the thought that i was going to shoot up a school that led me to gun advocacy it's just the third you think they would still be i don't think you You shouldn't have to add that last bit is what I'm thinking. But I feel like if you do add it, then they don't have the... If she get mad, then she just can't. But if you're in a space where you think you can trust these people, I shouldn't have to give you the caveat of, oh, look who I am now. It's like I made a mistake, and that's not who I am. But the way after that, Rachel was down the throat from there. She didn't have a chance to ever say, but I'm not that person. But she felt bad about it, too. It's just it doesn't help if you already feel bad about them, and then somebody just, even though you know it's not as bad as the Chicago said, I feel bad about this. All y'all attacking me. I think that was the thing. She never got a chance to even get to that because nobody really asked any really good follow-up questions or probing. It was very judging and attacking and anger. So, emotionally, she puts up the shield and she starts defending herself and she becomes more withdrawn. Yeah, you don't have to add those sort of additional pieces of context but sometimes it does help depending on the person you know but in this particular case i don't think it would help with rachel at all because she had already made up her mind so she can she can add whatever she want to hey and i i was an advocate you know against it and this is all the things that i did and she could run down a resume it wouldn't have mattered to her fair so eventually emma does no longer want to talk about the conversation have the conversation about the situation anymore she literally tells charlie that she cannot get in contact with rachel as uh she is contracted to do something for her job and is also her maid of honor we all agree rachel's fucked up for ghosting right yes 100% Alright so the next morning Charlie's reaction and perceived paranoia Has him up Rewriting His wedding speech He also threw away a mug That had a gun on it Shoot me if I don't have coffee Some shit is sick And It's just off At least I know this And Ken you probably know this too I'm just going to speak Hyperboles you already know you fuck up in the morning if your girl come to you and you walk past me she say where my kiss like that should have been your first oh i got a button like like you know when she asks for some affection yeah that is all right i don't fuck i don't she know i'm off i gotta get it together it is 100 and he still couldn't get it together and then he deleted he started deleting the whole goddamn the whole page first he was taken out like she had empathy and caring for other people i'm like hold on how did all that in my head i'm gonna get out of it yeah i agree with you there but he's just so in his head about it i think they did a wonderful job like just shooting and portraying his characters like i can't stop thinking about this shit like this person that i thought that i knew like almost did this horrendous thing i just can't know her though You thought. Bro. Like, that's the, like, you, you, see, this opens the door for you to think, like, well, what's the worst thing that she's capable of? That is, that's, we're all capable of the worst, though. But you don't think that about your partner until, like, it's really put in your face. But we're all capable of it. That's true. We are all capable of it. And I think. But you don't think of, like, your partner in their veins. So there's a thing, there's a thing that's going to come back to that, that I want, I'm going to bring up. But we're all capable. My point is we're all capable of it. So I don't look at it as like I think my girl is not capable of ever snapping. Like, I think it's all possible. You know how. You kind of got an idea. I don't know. You really don't. You think you do. Yeah. But you really don't. That's true. And maybe because I think the worst. I think people are capable of awful things. So I think that they just don't tell us the things. That's true. The things that go on in people's head, we have no idea what's in there. you know it bro if you knew the random shit or the dark shit people have that you know like it would change your perception of all of this you ain't even got to share it but i'm pretty sure you don't have a dark thought and you're like nah get me the fuck out of here like i'm better than this shit like nah 100 so that's what i'm saying like yeah you can be capable of it but that don't mean that that don't mean nothing I wish we had to go back to their perspective. Well you did, the scene with the, I thought it was funny to rock that way you were, when she had the knife. Oh yeah, I'm nervous. Oh, and she jumped at him with the knife. And she go back up. She said, that guy was going to stab you? She was like, so, she was like, what? She did, jumped at him, and she was good. That was real good. Did he even ask about, like, the car accident? Like, he's trying to probe himself and trying to put, like, what's her trauma response to this? What did y'all think about him asking, like, did that car accident have an impact on? I thought that he was trying to get to have you ever been to therapy without asking have you ever been to therapy. He was getting to, like, okay, you seen that traumatic event. Did you do anything about it? Did anything happen without flat out being a dick and being like, have you been to therapy before? which I feel like would have been a better question yeah can you pull that mic up yeah I appreciate it so eventually we are introduced Charlie goes to work and we're introduced to Misha and he asks Misha about a book that was on his desk that has women with guns and he doesn't know where it comes from but he doesn't really know but Emma is also asked about Rachel at her job and so basically he said just let Rachel go because she's unresponsive you heard from was Emma wrong for doing this to Rachel nope hell no and that's what she deserved um so no I thought I thought it was well deserved like and Rachel hasn't been around that was other things so you are you basically did abandon your job because you still have feelings about Emma so yeah she got exactly what she deserved and then it feels so entitled to say it was your fault they let me go off the project you still work there you just off the project I thought it was a project for the wedding that they outsourced to her that's what I thought I'm not sure I thought it was a project for whatever the company she's doing yeah that's what I thought anyway like you said she had ghosted the responsibilities and then tried to put it back on Emma like oh you told them to let me go and the level of entitlement you could just dip off of a project and it would be okay yes you know at your job like where and and why maybe in america some places so later on when they home they try to have sex but you know charlie unfortunately he didn job he can get out of his head nigga dumb it can This shit bro like this is way too much at this point for me Like bro like you really like so in your head that it affecting your other head Like, for real? Like, is this where we are? Like, it doesn't make sense. Like, bro, you really are done with Emma, like, because of this one thing, and you just can't let it go. Grow the fuck up. This shit was getting on my nerves. Yeah. he's just as bad as Emma at this point why? just as bad? yeah it's a very emotional response but it's a different one like he eventually got to the point where he was able to move past but right now he's treating her the same did he ever move past? I don't know now that I think about it but I think he I think he finally no I think he did I think he was able to get to a point of where he was comfortable moving forward. He moved past it when he got hands and feet put on him. That's when he moved. But I don't know if he moved past it. He never gave us a finale letting us know he was past it. I don't think he moved past it until he looked in the mirror and seen his face. And we're getting ahead a little bit. But when he looked in the mirror and seen his face, he was like, all this for this. I mean, even in this situation, Emma tries the best through role-playing and Charlie can see him down. that was one of the else the audible one for like oh shit was that after this or that's right now she's still trying to get him to you know they're doing the role playing and shit and he and he ends up like trying to like ease attention like pop pull the pan and end up headbutting her like nigga she said what the fuck but from here rachel ends up calling oh that was the misha thing y'all was talking about no the uh when they were arguing about it and he tried to pull her move and pull her pants down oh yeah i remember that yeah yeah he headbutted on the way up chewing how nervous he was but he's trying he's trying yeah yeah he's coming around yeah emma uh calls rachel and saying that she no longer wants to be in the wedding so because you feel like it'll be disrespectful to her because who was the victim in the school so charlie just has to go see a visit i see on y'all face i ain't gotta ask the question i'm constantly actually who's the most unlikable character at this at this point oh i despise easily right easily yeah and it's like you're doing this for what it's not gonna solve or change anything she's not gonna get the fuck up and walk nothing changes you're doing this for yourself to make yourself feel good but you're not changing the fucking world y'all want to know what i say what the fuck the fuck it what when she was like Mike grew up around guns that was funny that was funny I said what the fuck didn't he have the same response he was like he grew up around no guns and I'm not scared and I said before he responded I was kind of looking like what? what the fuck does he mean that racist ass shit you said and he said so casually like Like I believed her Like they had talked about it before She even says in this I think Charlie was trying to I'll ask this first So Charlie was trying to defend Emory I think he did a good job of doing it Even though he was lying On her behalf Because this is where he said The neighbors he was close to I think yeah he was doing the best he could With what he had with the people that he was talking to. At this point, we're going through with the win. I need to make this conversation go a certain type of way so the win ain't ruined. So I'm trying. I'm grasping the scars in any kind of way I can get them to get back on her side or at least have some type of empathy for her. So I think he did fairly well. He did what he could because we've seen he's a very awkward guy. So he's in an awkward decision. situation. He's made peace with himself to move forward and he wants the wedding to be as comfortable as possible so he was basically trying to talk them down off the ledge. My thing is, I think at some point Spike, Jalen, he should have pulled his boy to the side. Micah Black, bro. You need to get your girl under control. This kid is not a joke. I didn't even have a lie. Fuck them, bro. Y'all can't come to the wedding. I mean, granted, Charlie still ain't accepted himself. So he was fucked up. So that's why it happened the way it did. But still, fuck them. Like, y'all ain't helping. But Mike was crazy with it, though. Mike was fine. It was Rachel. She was holding on to it. Either way, she an extension of you, my boy. Yeah. But that's his best friend, though. She an extension of you, my boy. Your best friend need to fix it for your best friend. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, true, true. But I wouldn't uninvite my best friend to the wedding. But how do you know? I mean, I'm going to tell him, like, yo, bro, if she get it together, I'm going to get it done. It's straight up. It's just like that. Because you ain't going to come here without her. Listen, I'm going to respect you enough to not fuck up your household. But I need for you to figure that out for me. Yeah. So you don't fuck up my household. Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, yeah, it was close to the wedding. But at that point, man, we'll figure out somebody in the bride party. We'll figure something about somebody to do this shit That he was supposed to do and she was supposed to do I don't have to lie on your behalf Especially for something that's not as deep as y'all are making it right now Yeah Agreed I also, I know there's a conversation about people having Like some people are on the side of like This is crazy that she did this But I also wonder too How much does race play a factor in that Because the name is black Compared to if it was a white woman Who said this because there was even a comment in the flashbacks about women don't really do this. It's a white man thing. I didn't see color in this one. It felt like it was more about the school shootings in general. The only color was when she applied it to Mike. So I didn't even think about it in that respect. So I didn't know people were having that conversation. Because yeah, I mean it is typically mostly white men or white people you know which is why they made the DC sniper was such a thing for us when that happened he turned out to be black so nah I never thought about it from that perspective it was just because she was black I'm just wondering like outside of the movie how people will perceive what she said because she is black do they give you more of that she's black and she's about to do compared to how you gotta think about it how they because of a rarity of of of black not even that as a rarity just about how we're perceived like it's always mental health for them when a white person does something that's the extreme compared for us it's just like that's just in our dna that we're violent and that's we're reckless and we don't give a fuck so her as a black person saying this they probably do say oh that's in her dna to say something like that like she's not one of the good niggers you know what i'm saying so it could be a difference there when people look at it compared to if it was a white woman they would have probably took the time and be like well did you have the right resources did they actually support you the way that you needed to be supported i wonder how people actually are looking at it too that way um because even rachel rachel was like charlie said something about you know guns are hyper like basically hyper everywhere here and Rachel said so it's America's fault like I was like that shit made me chuckle like oh yeah yeah and she knows that because she grew up here and she lives here but as a privileged white woman she don't see it she don't think that that's the problem when there's nothing but white people I mean not literally but I don't agree with I'm just looking at it I see what you guys are saying in terms of but I think the it's almost like she lumping the violence and guns into just one bucket and that's it regardless of like so with there's black people in the story that they're telling with black people and guns in terms of like gang violence and stuff like that and then there's white people in the store with their guns when it comes to mostly school shootings and stuff like that and so for her maybe because of the visual imagery that she's constantly seeing for that she's maybe to your point is associating guns and black people and excluding the other aspect of it even though the subject of this whole thing is about what primarily happens with the white side of gun violence so if she's just saying it's all one of the same it's just all black people then yeah i can see that but she should know that it's mostly white people anyway i i think it's all the more i talk about it with y'all i think all of this is about racism because the the mike situation obviously like you're correlating the way she said it was he was around guns and he turned out all right you know what i'm saying because he's black but this other black person was around guns and they didn't turn all right and even with charlie's response of talking about the trauma she experienced he started saying it was interesting like he started getting fascinated by the idea that was a trauma response it would be he didn't say fascinating, that's interesting right? But you could tell he was kind of fascinated by this idea of like oh my girl may be like one of those black people. Interesting I never thought about it. The more I'm talking about it I am thinking about because he did say it was interesting. He got a smile and that's just like what is interesting about it? You know what I'm saying? More interesting because he's from England in an Americanized way though and less about third color? Could be, but I would have, I mean, I think the more I think about this conversation, especially with Mike sitting right there and how everything was just being framed and talked about, I think this was more of a race conversation. I didn't think about it that way, but I see what you're saying. So. Well, from here, Sam sees, I mean, Charlie sees Sam in the street and tries to talk to her, which ultimately doesn't go well. So he returns to work. we talked about how she basically said that he was wilding at this point he was enhanced at this point and that's basically what's going to be my next question is like how much is Charlie fucking up a lot a whole lot because when he gets to work he ends up asking Misha what is the worst thing she's ever done and hypothetically what would she do if her boyfriend planned a school shooting so some of these lines are a lot funny to me the way she was reacting like when she's like you saw my ex did this work for y'all yes all of this work i love what it led up to in that situation i love because she was kind of he he went from this is kind of a turning point for him because he went from feeling like she was feeling to actually hearing her and he was like wait a minute this sounds dumb and that had been his position the whole movie but it took someone else to come at the same position for it to be like okay I'm tripping so I like how they did this go ahead at this point now I'm getting sick of Charlie and you can probably get in the middle maybe balance it out a little bit well probably never mind But, yeah, at this point, I'm over Charlie. I'm like, bro, like, you're asking everybody. You just cannot make peace with this situation. And now I'm starting to think, now I'm writing a movie in my head. I'm like, well, shit, is he going to shoot up the wedding? Because I still don't even know. I still think that's real at this point. Like, is he going to lose it and start shooting up the wedding? So he's just freaking out. Then he started crying, and Misha's just oblivious to it. What I loved about when she said, you seen my boyfriend, and then he was like your stereotypical white male that looked like he would do some shit like that. You know, violent. He was very violent, but I guess we'll get there. But anyway, so I thought that that was interesting as well. Because he looks like the one that, when we eventually see him, like one of those gun-toting Americans. Thanks. Yeah, he, yeah. I don't know, man. I didn't know, sitting back thinking about it, you think that she was more so conveying like the opposite of what Robert was thinking? I think that she was conveying the same thing that he was thinking, but him hearing it made him start to realize how ridiculous he was sounding. Wasn't she saying she would like leave and, am I on the same? Yeah. She wasn't defending Emma I'm saying She was like I would call the police He was asking the questions That he kind of knew The answers Like a good person would say A person who was understanding But he was allowing her to reinforce The negatives And that was the issue I was having You're asking all these questions Because to you deep down you know what the answer should be But you don't feel that way And that's why he got mad because he knew he was agreeing with him yes because that's what he was feeling like deep down he knew the answers were the opposite see how he was feeling what she was saying i took it as he finally started to understand how fucking dumb he sounded about this now i think if he did he wouldn't have got upset at the end of it and threw his drink so he felt like he was holding up a mirror yeah okay yeah he felt like fuck i'm just like i i like i'm giving into this shit in there in there some recognize what he recognized like I do sound like because he threw his drink out of frustration in the sense of I hate that I agree with her but I know it's wrong so yeah I think this is a great scene yeah you know what call the police and say what it's stupid my girlfriend I almost shot up at school like what years 10 plus years ago so then we transition to the DJ being fired but Charlie well wait you gotta talk about the kiss though yeah I'm gonna get I was right there okay gotcha gotcha gotcha but Charlie is still acting a little uneven than before so through the cut scenes we see he cheated by kissing Leisha he didn't actually cheat he said what he said he didn't cheat oh I thought you were saying he didn't cheat I was like I was like yeah he almost had me yeah Nah, that nigga cheated. Nah, that nigga cheated. Oh, shit. I was so shocked at this. I was not expecting it. I did. When he leaned in and kissed her and then, like, she was receptive of it. I really thought she was awkward at first. Yeah. And then, no, like, I was, that was another audible. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, I did not see that coming. And I was like, oh. And it's just like he was watching this spiral out of control. like it went from the wheelchair scene to the scene where he having lunch with her to now he kissing her and bending her over i'm like oh man it's man he didn't bend over she turned around she turned around bro she turned around she was ready for it she turned around this is what we doing with the clothes she's like all right boom boom that nigga ripped her shirt he was so funny like you gotta work the rest of the day that was she saying i can't believe you just ripped my truck and shit he wasn't thinking about shit he was just like i'm trying to get out i gotta put these feelings somewhere oh she hyped that skirt up with she was rich she was like yo look at me yeah it's it just was like it just reinforced oh you're a shitty person yeah after like you just told you just cheated oh the worst thing you've done is you cheated on somebody and the way you're doing it right now like it's not like caught up in the moment trying to stop like that first kiss was the thing that caught you off guard but after that he was like i'm with it and you brought up a good point about her being a shitty person that's how a shitty person will respond to the school shoot and shit from the previous thing so they they tied that in well yeah that is good yeah that yeah that yeah that shit was funny i'm glad he didn't do it all the way but yeah i mean i don't know i think they i think i think they can get past the kiss yeah they could yeah anyway they could have i don't know what's gonna happen but that shit It was funny. That nigga. The way he even stopped, too. It's like, nah. I don't even know what I'm doing. I don't know why I did that. He better than most of the guys. We haven't seen him. Bro, they would have. Yeah. You would have got it this far. Yeah. Especially after she just bent it over. Right. I just knew it was a woman. You got me. You got me. that was that was the epitome that's why it's funny when he get asked if he sexually harassed her he's like oh shit she was ready i don't know if it was sexual harassment oh god did emma handle in the firing of the dj well yes i think she did because he was being a bitch the bubble husband she made him he made he put her in that position to have to do that because you're not handling it like we said we were going to handle it you're letting her walk all over you she feels like she can walk all over you she's talking to us any kind of way if you're not going to do it i'm going to do it yeah get out especially if you call me uh what's the other she called her a cunt or whatever it might be I think he said you're being a cunt yeah like get out you ain't handling this yeah because at this point he's a he's a punk he's been a punk since he I mean since the beginning he's a very passive you know guy so and now he's going through this emotional spiral of everything so and now and everything that just happened so he's done for yeah like at this point it's a wrap for him he just cheated on her and he is now seeing everything with a different lens so now you know maybe feel guilty for what he did but he wasn't going to fire her at all so and she just did the thing that he wouldn't dare to win do so yeah i think she again i i as a dj i think it was fucked up for them to sit there and watch her set up and you tell that's what that was one of the things that did piss me all right and like she said y'all wait till i set up to do this shit like for me once the deposit paid all right at least i know i'm gonna make that money for you booking this day but you made me come here set this shit up and they're gonna tell me to dip that's what i was confused by too i thought i was Why didn't they wait until the day of the wedding? That was stupid. Because they were distracted by everything else that was going on. They never really got back to the heroin issue. You might as well just leave it. At that point. I also feel like it wasn't done with TAC. No, it was no change. I think that's a piece of it. I think there's probably a little bit of Emma reacting to how she was being treated too. There was a way to do that better to me. like as a person who's going through people judging you from something that you're doing that you did that is not as bad as people are making it be we i ain't gonna do heroin and i don't really think anybody else should but i don't think if you are if you enjoy heroin for yourself that's your that's your life so again if i did the conversation that can be had in this moment as compared to just you did heroin get the fuck out And are you good? That's the hell my thing. It seems like she was a good DJ, though, I think. It seems like she was a good DJ. All right. So we get to the wedding day, and then we learn that Rachel does decide to be the maid of honor, and Misha is also in attendance. We also know that they get a DJ. I didn't really get much from this scene. I don't know if this scene was just a setup for what was going to come later. but they were talking to the dj in the hallway and and loud pops now before that but when they was talking to him when he first and he was like he basically said fuck her about the dj such a weirdo i don't know i was trying to figure that out i think it was probably just for just to the bit of comedy yeah okay he was weird yeah i would i didn't really pick up what they was putting down there so that's why i was gonna ask y'all if y'all knew i didn't get it um but emma fathers give emma fathers gives a toast rachel also gives a toast while both emma and y'all we are still dealing with the paranoia of just the room uh what did y'all think of the toast from from both of them from both the dad and from rachel the dad was it was interesting because we know the truth so listen to the dad speak about the daughter seeing rachel's reaction oh my god was just really really really bothering the fuck out of me i just i just really needed some other female there to just slap the shit out of her um or her husband to tell her like he did check he did get to the point was like god damn he he did check well in a way he was basically he did call her out he was like shut up or chill out i can't remember exactly how he said it but he sounded black when he did that shit but he was over her shit i think she actually got quiet for a little bit but um but he was giving this beautiful speech and it was like and you even became an avagant and then my gun mysteriously disappeared I'm like shit you just have no idea. The things we don't know about our kids is kind of crazy but when that motherfucking shit popped when I tell y'all I laughed out loud my whole theater because remember I'm still thinking somebody gonna come through and shit that motherfucker up when that shit popped everybody got shook thanks he was like I can't even think of I don't even know how he was going to say there's just some black man shit I don't even got the fuck out of his face he was so bad he wanted to whoop that damn DJ and I think that's what the DJ was there to show he was awkward and goofy so when it popped you have contests for his personality and we're like oh yeah yeah sorry so it makes sense for why that shit would happen man bro bro that shit was funny to me and he was a military guy too yeah so there's that part too and so uh which is another layer to the movie then when he sit down he asked me so what did he ask him he said you say y'all grew up with guns in the house yeah why did you have guns in the house or something like that was really weird and she looked at him like if you don't shut up and i thought that was good i mean at this point his paranoia is getting the best of him and her and she's in the bathroom when she think that misha knows about school shooting i wonder did that happen it could have said something but i don't know what she was imagining but it could have been her just saying talking to somebody about him he said yeah he came and talked to her he asked me some weird question about some school you know what i'm saying um so that forces emma to tell charlie i need to go talk to misha and I'm going to bring her in. You don't. No, no, no, no, no, no. What would you have done? What would you have done? Hey, Charlie. No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. You don't got to talk to her. I'm sure she don't know. You got to get in by it. I'm sure you do not know. No, she don't know shit. You got to check this, brother. Yeah, you got to stop. Don't take your hand. Don't go get her in. No, no. There ain't nothing y'all need to talk about. Absolutely not. I'll ask, as a matter of fact, I'll ask you and see, let me fix this, baby. I got this. You don't even got to worry a little bit about it. Let me take it. But, you know, he don't wear the so-called pants in the relationship. So, at this point, and, you know, once a black woman made up her mind, bro, it's a wrap. You at least got to go with her and be like, you got to give Vigilance some sort of signal and be like, bro, you seen the way he had looked when she came in? He was trying to, like. He was like, you got to hit her with her. You got to know. She don't know. She just came out with it. I was like, oh, that was another one. I was the loudest of the way. I said, oh. you know as soon as she saw him in there she's like he just came on to me he kissed me he kissed me i was like oh damn i felt so bad for emma she was like what yeah yeah i felt bad for her yeah because she didn't deserve that she did not man and it was like it wasn't even what i was like i got it ain't just the thing that i was coming to get you for now it's this whole other thing that may be even worse than the thing that I came to get you for. But the thing that made it on top of that worse is you was confiding in this whole about me. Telling her about me. Like you were talking to her about me. And I just asked you that shit. Yes, I just asked you that shit. What do you think happened in that room when they, what do you think happened in that room when Misha left and we didn't see them but leave that room? Oh, man. I cannot, bro. You could tell by how she was tense when they came. Her dad was looking at her like, everything all right he knew something was up i wanted to see what was going on with you i did because a black woman finding out all that shit one time she had a little sweat on her forehead and i was like boy you lucky you made it out of all that rachel's speech speech was a piece of shit too yeah i have something to say and i yeah and that's another way why her husband got sitting like nah it's cool yeah you don't got to say shit man but at this point you're not trying to ruin the wedding you're just praying that she doesn't go there and I thought she was and I was like oh my gosh she's gonna actually do it but yeah he was frustrating me at this point I'm like bro if you don't get her in control in control well Charlie when Charlie is tasked to finally give his toast he is just all over the place because he done got caught cheating at this point he don't know what people know in the room he don't know what's going on what do y'all think about this toast man how did y'all feel about charlie like were you feeling for him he's not giving fuck i feel deserves it i felt for him and like he he should have did the same thing emma did but kept it really brief he should have been like you know we don't want to do speeches or something like that or i had something but i'm just overwhelmed and keep it moving but he tried to save it with the speech that he had deleted so i'm sure he hadn't been practicing and then he wanted to just freestyle in that mode like nah bro like if that was a cringeworthy that was secondhand embarrassment he's like oh nah bro what about you can yeah secondhand embarrassment is is exactly it i'm like because i'm like there's no way he's gonna just start because i'm trying to think about like how is he going to get to saying all this shit and he just started smiling but i think they did a good job of kind of showing this has been his character the whole movie next so he is uncomfortable and he just starts saying shit you know he's awkward so when he just got there and just started and i also like when they showed him taking a shot of the alcohol you know so they he doubled down on the liquor he probably had already been drinking it goes back to what Mike was saying about Emma earlier at the table when she was drinking and she just started saying some shit that she probably wouldn't have said if she was in her right mind. He did the same thing and he didn't say that she did the school shooting I think he just said she didn't do it so it's fine but nobody still know what she was talking about it was when he started talking about Nisha I love hearing him in the background like arguing and you can hear Buddy like what? He did what? Bro, the funny part was as a nigga you know what he's thinking back then and you had the nerve to say, would y'all shut the fuck up or shut the hell up? Bro, for real. You know what's going on in that corner round. You got me fucked up. I gotta step to you now because you think I'm a fool. I don't think he really because again, he's very awkward. He's just spiraling. I don't even think he know. He just heard noise. And he just lashed out. Like, y'all shut the fuck up back there. Yeah, he got the right one today. Even with him smiling, he knew who was back there making it. You know, I just blew up. He just slapped the motherfucker, too. He freaked out when he walked up to him the first time. And just to introduce himself. That was a big motherfucker. Robert Pattinson is pretty tall. And that motherfucker was taller than him. He gave the little boy back. Hey, man, congratulations. That motherfucker walked up there and he looked like a military motherfucker, bro. Or some type of athlete or something. What did he ask? He said, did you sexually assault? He said, did you sexually harass? Which means Misha told some bullshit. Right, she lied. She completely lied and got that shit off her. I don't know, man. Well, I won't say lie. She probably put some sauce on it. I don't even know. Because she was trying to get out of it. She said, he kissed me. You heard her. You can hear his face. He kissed me. He did. The first encounter that when he kissed her, yes, that is. But once she consented. I mean, that's the thing about consent. That's going to say it's a power dynamic because he was her boss. No, he wasn't. He wasn't her boss. I don't think so. I thought he was her boss. When he went into her office, maybe. Because his title on the thing said. Oh, yeah. yeah like and if that's the case then i'm looking at that scene different too the way she vended over like yeah you're my boss i gotta do this i thought that's why they showed his title because they showed his title when they were in the office yeah i'm looking at that scene different now like oh she felt that i have to do this yeah so now she did get sexual harassed like nah that that nah that that scene didn't play out in that way but she she was she was she went for We all saw this. But Ken, that's how the story is going to be told. That's how the story is going to be told. But that's not even the story. You're right. Yeah, it's not even the story being told. The thing is, if it's power. Because of the power dynamic. It is sexual. Think about it. If her boss kisses her and she doesn't want it, in the back of her head, if I don't do this, he's going to fire me. So now I have to give in to this whole situation in order for me to keep my job. To me, that played into the willingness of it. She had to process it. And once she processed it, she was like, oh, she's the boss. I thought she was the boss. No, he's the boss. But, yeah, if that's the case, then, yeah. Because she's probably thinking, oh, I told him I cheated. Now you think he can take advantage of it. Like, all that matters. So now it's just adding more to it for me, yeah. Yeah. No. I don't disagree with what you're saying in other contests. In this movie, what I saw, what y'all saw, was none of that shit. and i the story will be told the way y'all said it but y'all know good and damn well that she wanted that shit and she went for it yeah even the way bro it's just even i'm thinking about the way she did it too it's like assume the position type shit yeah like it wasn on something like this is the spur of the moment type he wasn attracted to him like he wasn there that way yeah just did it because she felt like this is what required right now No I telling you she wasn Is that what you're saying you think happened? Yes. Or are you just saying that's how people are going to look at it? I'm saying that's how she's telling the story. We watched it happen. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Knowing that that's her boss, I kind of took it that way as well. She's looking at this. I thought she was looking at it from a power dynamic standpoint When it first happened Yeah No She wasn't turned on and nothing came She was just recouping I didn't see any sort of I have to do Never mind Let's move on I want to take a seat if she's the boss though I'm telling you His title was something like superintendent Like he was the head curator of the museum That's what his title was head curator of the museum. Well, don't say that she's the boss instead of the co-worker. Either way, that's the way. If he head curator, like, I'm thinking that she's answering to him. Because he went to her about their book. It was like, how'd this book get on my desk? She's like, the mail? So I'm thinking that she answers to him. Could be. So, we, uh, we go to, we transition to Charlie back at his apartment with blood on his tux. And we don't really see completely how the blood got there. We just know that Blake approached him, so we just think he got the beats. But while he's looking for Emma, we get a transition back to the scene where Blake approaches him. And this nigga headbutt this nigga. He looked like a crazy white boy the first time we were introduced. First time we saw him. I said, that look like a typical move for him. Like, I'm starting with the handbutt. Like, I'm leading with the handbutt. What? Crazy little fucker. He's leading with the handbutt? Jeez. I can't handbutt a nigga, bro. I pressed my handbutt like that. Could I do that? I'm wondering, bro, when niggas need handbutt. I'm like, why'd you go there? Because you're still in two. You got to. I'd rather my hand be hurting than my hand be hurting. Leading with the handbutt is crazy. Maybe we're doing it wrong. Maybe. Maybe we're doing it wrong. I don't do that shit. Like, I just don't. I ain't never bumped my head and it felt I couldn't. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It always hurts. I've hit my head a bunch of times and it has not felt good to do that. Like, I always hurt. Like, I never understood that. Maybe if you apply the force instead of receive the force, it's different. I don't know, man. I don't know how to study. Oh, God. That's why UFC, when they be doing that, it's like, yeah, y'all better than me. Y'all levels are different. It's different levels. he looked like a ufc dude that's what he looked like some big tall ufc fight uh what did y'all think of robert pattinson's performance here like being alone and then playing the music and that was good no the hugging himself and shit like that like even looking in the mirror the facial uh acting it's just like man all of this for this like i fucked everything up bro i fucked everything up just being in my head like you could see it all over his face that was that was dope yeah i i really fuck with this because there's in this moment even playing the music and how he like slowed down the dance and he grabbed me i was like i'm trying to find some sense of happiness trying to find some joy here because i'm this is all fucked up because of me i'm on what's supposed to be the best day of my life and i'm just fucked up because your stupid ass gonna let some go yeah now look at your dumb ass it's been saying so much without saying shit and it was one word he said yeah that she played whenever he's um being a dick or something like that yeah man i thought this scene was a real dope scene to put right before the ending at this point i guess the ending though okay so you think this was like when they was doing this i'm like he going to the diner and she gonna come to the diner i didn't get all the way with the what they i knew what they was gonna do when she sit down but i was like they gonna meet at the time which i wasn't mad at i feel like it was appropriate i didn't but i was wondering how they're going to end it um but i thought the ending worked because they both now have um fucked up one way or the other so um even though i don't i think his fuck up is way worse but i think they look now as view equally i think now she's saying that there's something that you can't get over with me, and now there's something that I can't get over with you. So when they tried this role-playing thing before, when they wanted to start over, that's how she wanted to start over to get him comfortable by meeting a completely different person. And she wanted to go ahead and do the same thing with him. And this is how she's going to cope. I don't know if that's how that's going to work. Really? I looked at it. You don't think it's going to work? or i mean he fucked up i don't it's like he fucked up everything even the thing that he can't get over you should be able to get over what the fuck but he hasn't though but that's his problem i don't think i don't think it's his problem but it's a problem for both of them though no it's a problem for her but she stays with him and she is but they we don't know that i don't know that i think But I think up to the wedding, though, they both have at some point agreed to move forward, her and him. So she agreed to stay with him and he agreed to stay with her. It's just that he went and fucked it up by not letting it go and having his sexual assault with old girl, as they call it. My issue is that Emma never did anything to question her loyalty to him. I agree. like she never there was never anything that she did that should have made him feel like the relationship doesn't work so i agree i think she actually doubled down like this is how much i fuck with you you fucked you like i feel like her even coming to that the diner sitting down and doing a role play is like i told you a dumbass like you know how women i told your stupid ass to leave it alone and they'll look at you you sit in the diner on your wedding night with the beats on your face and i had to come not save you but i had to come start this over because you couldn't leave some dumb shit alone and i think that spoke to the like how much she actually loved him because she was saying like i really fuck with i've never loved nobody like this before and even though she was mad and she was mad that he couldn't get over it she probably was mad and he gonna have a conversation about that kiss look yes more upset about the kiss that's another conversation that's going to the head about that but even her going to the diner was her saying i'm here for this this is this is love to me and you're my person and i'm going to forgive you and let's do the thing that i tried to get you to do in the hotel and start over and excuse me in the apartment and start over and leave this shit behind us and she came is like i'm still willing to do that even though you fucked everything up yeah i thought it was the sins are not equal well she didn't have those sins to Jennifer. I know, but I'm just saying, though, they're not equal. He has done more harm because he has violated their trust the day before. She didn't do that. Her sin or negative thought or whatever we want to call it was when she was a kid, you know, a teenager. She thought about doing, well, she almost went through with doing something. She did take the rifle to the school she just didn't do it but i don't even think that's the scene i think that even speaks a testament to her the woman that saved the relationship because even that i was open enough to tell you that that's i really don't want to tell nobody she wasn't open to tell that but she told him oh because of the stupid ass game and yeah and you know if we go with what mike was saying she was drunk she never was going to tell him that at all if that game never come up she never would have told me. I mean, I don't think I would hold that against her. He shouldn't have. I thought it was stupid. Yeah, so, I mean, I think it's also a big assumption that they're going to be together. I assumed that they were. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think if that's what I said from the scene, I think it leaves us ambiguous, and I'm fine with that as far as what's going to be next. Maybe, because the conversation feels like there's still a conversation that needs to be had, and we don't know what comes. Because if she really breaks it down, you cheated on me yeah y'all are saying that's probably the bigger thing but it's not that it's the fact that you didn't trust me and you were second guessing me as a person and through that you showed up as a totally different person fair point like you all this borrows from you being fixated on something and you became a totally different person in my eyes you ended up like if she really gets you don't know but you were lying about my past to other people you were talking about me to somebody else then you went and kissed that person then you lied to my face about it so this person that i thought like you basically became what you thought i was you thought i was a totally different person because of one thing but you showed up because of this one thing a totally different person to your point about it me and like i love how ambiguous it was i didn't need i have me into i didn't need after this thing them to go go and have kids and i didn't need it this was perfect on how they ended it like because you said we know black women there's definitely gonna be another conversation about their kids that's gonna happen and even with them like starting over like they just meant who's to say that like you said it will go that far like they may realize stuff or have realized stuff about each other where it's like i ain't fucking with you like that i thought i was but now that we've restarted let's not. So I love how they did it. I like the ending too. I do think the way I see it, I do see them still being together. I think it took a lot for her to sit down at that table. You can see it. She was struggling. She did a great job. To get through that knowing that he did that the day before or a couple of days before that broke her. in addition to everything else you just laid out. That's enough for her to walk away from the table. I think there's a lot of work that has to be done in terms of what. One thing she knows is that I think she can really know that he absolutely loves and adores her. And I think what she'll have to try to make peace. Yeah. and I think what she'll have to make pieces is what he did was an emotional reaction to a thing that he couldn't understand and he wasn't able to process it I think I guess I look at it a little bit different I don't think he loves and adore her because he if he truly loved and adore her when he was having that conversation with Misha and he realized how fucked up it was that would have been enough like that that should have like it should have like way before that should have been fixed but that should have been like for you right there that moment to be like you know what everything i'm asking misha and even though i'm asking these questions and i'm not getting it i know the answer deep down but he still was willing to go through with wedding i think if he he was he was he was he was finding ways to move forward in spite of like him questioning or having concerns about a character i think that's just he's not confrontational for one we've learned that so calling off the wedding is a totally that's a big ass thing to do right before days of so for him that's not that big of a for his character that's not something for him to like he doesn't know how to he wouldn't know how to do that in the first place so he would probably just continue to go along to get along like that's not something and we've learned in his character he doesn't have that in him so i don't just because he was going along with the wedding that didn't prove to me that he was in love with her and then he really seen some value in it like you spent all this money his days ahead like at this point he locked in i felt like the way i was reading is that he didn't want to leave her over over this and he was going to find a way to get past it i think what really messed him up was the kiss and i think that that's where he was really freaking out especially when he started seeing him because he knew at that point he really did fuck up um but i think there's a lot of things that will have to be resolved like because he still got to deal with the dad that shit still because that's what i'm thinking about oh you got to deal with the dad or everybody else that was at the wedding like so maybe all right Maybe the fallout from all of this, maybe the external factors, may be too much for them to get past. But I think if they isolate themselves or just focus on each other, I think they'll be able to move forward. They want to be together. Yes, that I agree with. They do want to be together. And, you know, it's up to them to find out and realize how strong the love that they have is for one another. Is it enough to put these things aside and move forward with, you know, a future together? What up, y'all? Mike here. I had to leave the review because of a family emergency, but because I enjoyed the movie so much and I was actually enjoying the conversation that we were having about it, I wanted to go ahead and give my thoughts on the rest of the film. So, yeah, here we go. I went ahead and I took the questions that Jalen asked the crew and just kind of answered them on my own. so I went from the point of I had to leave to the end and yeah so Jaylen was asking what did you think about Emma's responses to Charlie's questioning I actually agree with the guys that Charlie was being a bit too judgmental and it kind of goes to what I was saying earlier about the fact that no one really asked Emma if she was okay they just started to immediately think about themselves and how they feel and if they're in danger. Like, no one there showed up for Emma in that moment. They only wanted to feel better about their own situations. That's how I saw it. Like, no one even recognized the fact that Emma has to go the rest of her life with a deaf ear, you know, an injury that reminds her daily of a terrible decision that she almost made. Like, Charlie, Rachel, and Mike, they're all able to address their past harms or whatever. but they can completely move on from them and, you know, act like they never happened, even if the people that they harmed can't do that. And out of the four of them, only Emma is actually physically harmed by the actions she took and is regularly reminded of that thing that she did. So for the next part, they're kind of talking about the scene with the photographer, and they're also talking about that scene where they're kind of flashing to Charlie looking like he's dating the younger version of Emma. I agree that this scene was done really well, especially the picture part, because the picture, it follows that scene where the photographer is, she kept saying like, I'm going to shoot you and I'm going to shoot your parents and I'm going to shoot your grandparents. And of course it's a play on words, but it was so well done because it shows just how much that's weighing on Charlie and that carries over into the pictures. Like he looks incredibly uncomfortable. the whole time because he no longer thinks he knows the person that he's marrying, right? So when it shows us Charlie walking with the teenage version of Emma, I thought that was a really good touch because it showed that Charlie thought he was dating or engaged to a completely different person. He's now marrying the old Emma, and in his brain, she hasn't moved on from that, you know? she's still that person to Charlie and he can't separate the two. So about the scene where Charlie is kind of asking her if she did anything to get better, I think that that scene was really interesting because it showed us that Emma wasn't just some quote-unquote crazy kid who wanted to shoot students, right? She changed after she saw the impact of what she was thinking about doing. You know, she sees the other school shooting and the kids that were impacted by that. So I think what this whole scene shows us is Emma just had a moment of anger and bad judgment, but she understood that she never really wanted to actually hurt anyone. And it also shows us it also kind of serves as a reminder to us to not always judge people just because they've done terrible things or had terrible thoughts in the past. You know that that people can make changes and if they make tangible changes to their behavior and they make an effort to help other people that are maybe going through that, then I think that should count towards how they're viewed. Right. um this side thing it kind of goes to show what i'm always talking about with like fuckers like andrew schultz you like just giving an apology isn't enough to rectify his mistake you know you have to make tangible moves tangible changes to the part where charlie is kind of asking emma questions about her childhood and kind of probing um you know because there's that part where he has he just deletes his entire wedding speech. But I think for this part, I actually agree with Spike. Charlie was trying to find out what work she had done to get better. That's why he's asking about therapy. It's not really about, you know, did it help her. It's more so he was selfishly trying to find out what the therapist may have said the issue with Emma might be. And he's just trying to make himself feel better by saying, well, she went to therapy. So this is in the past and she's better now. Now, um, to the part where it shows, uh, Charlie and Emma trying to have sex and Charlie can't really get it up or whatever. Um, for this part, I actually disagree with Ken. Um, I think this whole thing does make complete sense. Um, even if he was accepting of what she'd done, um, it makes sense to me that this would affect his ability to perform sexually. Um, and I think the fact that it was affecting him sexually shows that he does actually have care for Emma deep down. If this was just a piece of ass situation to Charlie, I think he could have just used her as a fuck doll, did his thing, and just moved on. But him hyper-focusing on what she had done tells me that he sees sex with her as more than just sex. It's actually an intimate act, right? not saying he's ripe for hyper-focusing, I'm just saying that I get it in that moment. And I'm also with Spike. He definitely did not move past it until the end of the actual movie. And when they're discussing the part where Rachel says that Mike grew up around guns, this just outlines that someone can still be racist, even if they're in an interracial relationship. Like, them being in genuine love. Like, they could be infatuated, just head over heels in love with their partner, but that doesn't remove racial parameters or biases from the situation, right? But what it really told me here is that she was going to use her partner's race to back up her prejudices about Emma, and that is peak fuckery to me. To the part where they're discussing was Charlie wrong for the way he defended Emma? No, I actually don't think Charlie did a good job. I don't think he did, quote, all he could do. Uh, this felt more about Charlie to me than it did, uh, Emma. You know what I mean? He was partly defending Emma to himself, uh, like trying to convince himself of the same shit that he was saying to Rachel and Mike. Um, I do disagree with y'all about how Mike needs to get his woman, quote, under control. I mean, I, I, I sure it was partly joke, but look, man, uh, she's her own person. Rachel is her own person. So men getting their women under control to me is just some caveman bullshit. I do agree that he should have pulled, he being Charlie, should have pulled Mike aside and said, look, man, like, can you have a conversation with her and maybe explain my side? Because if she can't move past this, then I'm going to have to remove her from the wedding. And since you're my homeboy, I don't want this to affect you or affect how you see me and our friendship. And boom, that's done. And maybe that's semantics for, quote, getting your woman under control. I don't know. But I also agree with Ken here that I don't think the way that Rachel was attacking Emma in terms of the school shooting was based in race at all. At least I didn't see it that way. And the retort from Emma to the teacher about school shootings only being men was more to show that Emma had done her research on this because she knew that there were a few women who had done it too. Um, I didn't take it as, hey, there are black people that do it, or there are black women. I didn't read it that way. Um, this may have been a way for Emma to kind of justify her involvement in what she was doing. Uh, but it also may be a way to kind of level the playing field and say like, hey, women are going through shit too. That may make them go do fucked up things. Um, but I think all, if I'm looking at it as a whole, I think it was more to say like, nope, look, I'm here and I'm valid in a really fucked up way. I think that's what Emma was doing. And I don't think Charlie was looking at it from a race conversation either. I think he was looking at it more from the perspective of him not thinking she was one of those type of Americans. I didn't see the race thing in this conversation, but I could be totally wrong and I'm open to being totally wrong. So when they're talking about the part where Robert is talking to Misha, I agree with Jalen about the moment he was talking to her and she was repeating the shit that he was thinking. I think he was mad at himself for having these thoughts and hearing them out loud made him realize just how much of a dumbass he was being. Okay, so the cheating thing. So, all right, my take on the whole situation is I feel like the entire movie is about perception. Like Rachel and Charlie's perception of Emma. Then we have this situation which outlines Charlie's perception of Misha, right? She says she's cheated on her ex before, so Charlie immediately perceives that Emma is just a cheater, right? And she thinks that she's just a whore, and he thinks that, okay, well, she'll cheat with me. I think this was less about him being her boss and more about him being a man who can't let go of his perceptions of other people's past. he's doing the same thing to Misha if you think about it that he's doing to Emma to him what Emma did in her past defines who she is now and yeah like the same goes for Misha to him but also I think we have to outline here even in the discussion that the crew had no one really asked what was up with Misha we just immediately buy that she's a whore and that she did a bad thing just like Emma right and when y'all are talking about was the firing handled well, like, did Emma handle that properly, what the firing outlined to me is that all of this shit happening is changing Emma's attitude and worldview, like, she's no longer empathetic towards the DJ, but when y'all, y'all talking about the, the awkward DJ shows up, and we're talking about the wedding, and when that pop happened, I agree with Ken, that shit was fucking hilarious, I hollered, that was one of those moments that I was going to discuss with y'all that I was the only one laughing out loud in my theater. I don't know what the hell was going on there. Now, let's talk about the real point of contention that I saw in the crew's review. The whole power dynamic thing when it came to Charlie and Misha, I thought that was a really interesting conversation that they had. But again, I think the whole movie, including this part, is really about perception. We see it one way, and because we see it that way, we're convinced that that's the only way it could possibly be. Like, I didn't personally see it as any type of assault when I watched the movie because I didn't know Charlie was her boss until Spike said it. And I'm still not sure if that's the case. I don't know if she's just a co-worker or if she's a subordinate. I don't know. But was Nisha totally down with what was happening or did she see it as a situation where she had to give in in order to not make her job situation worse? We don't know. And I think that's the brilliance of this movie. It all depends on our perception of the scene and about the viewer's willingness to even entertain a perception that's not our own. And by y'all's conversation, it's pretty clear how that played out for y'all. But I don't know, man. I think the introduction of the power dynamic is actually very interesting. I think it's also worth mentioning something that was not mentioned in y'all's discussion. The scene of Charlie cheating with Nisha was intercut with the firing of the DJ. So if you watch it, it's really cool because it cuts from the part where the DJ is saying, I didn't do it, when they're accusing her of smoking heroin. But she's still fired. And we're seeing Charlie's face while this is all happening. And then it's also cutting to him cheating with Nisha and him stopping himself. So he's definitely thinking, just like the DJ is saying, I didn't do it, right? So it gives this idea of Charlie kind of panicking that Emma would dump him for something that he quote-unquote didn't really do, the same way she's dumping the DJ over something the DJ says she didn't do. I thought that scene was really, really dope. And yeah, my thoughts about the ending, man. I agree with Jalen. The biggest takeaway for me is that Charlie perceived what Emma did in a certain way and showed up to the relationship as a completely different person, which is something he was, like, accusing Emma of, right? Not being the person that he fell in love with. And in his paranoid, hyper-focusing, he ended up becoming a different person than the one she fell in love with. So her showing up to the diner at the end was her saying that unlike you, Charlie, I'm willing to accept that these things are in the past and that we should start over. We should not linger on the terrible things that you did because you did some fucked up shit. But because I love you, I'm willing to let it go. I'm also a bit with Jalen. Charlie doesn't love and adore her, at least not the way that I think a lot of people will get the impression of. I feel like he loves her, but he loves and adores the idea of her more than her herself, right? He definitely loves her, but I just don't think he loves her to the degree that Ken and Spike thinks he does. But yeah, overall, I think this was a brilliant film. I think some of the best pieces of art don't just hand you answers. They introduce questions, and they spend a large amount of time kind of forcing you to analyze just how important those questions actually are. And, yeah, this film does that, man. I totally agree with Ken. It talks about school shootings without really addressing a school shooting. But bigger than that, I think it really pushes the discussion of how and why we perceive things the way that we do and why certain things hold more weight than other things might. So, yeah, it's not essentially really about the school shooting itself. It's more so about the idea of why the school shooting holds that kind of attention or that kind of care or anger or whatever you want to say for someone like a Rachel or someone like Charlie or someone like Mike. so yeah i thought that it handled the the whole idea really well excellent film and yeah wish i could have discussed it more with the crew but there you go there's my my thoughts don't say so no like love to me i think yeah yeah i see it because i think your boy would have been there i think there's just some toxic shit we tell ourselves well i thought it was toxic from the very beginning but y'all told me it was different i think love is what brought both of them to that not her she don't love him she ain't going back to that not her i didn't say about her not loving like i mean he loves her i mean i think he realized how much he loved her as all of this shit was happening to him listen man as a man i have my past transgressions bro and as pissed as she was in that moment she still is she still heard me out she still came back talked to me but when she sat down and thought about it she moves on with her life like black women will sit down and listen to because they love you but that don't mean she's gonna stay like sometimes i mean they do but sometimes they they sit down they think about it and be like nah you're right too much disrespect to that point i still don't think that takes what happened because if she didn't love him she wouldn't win so like you're right she might have sit there might have listened might have yeah i do love you but i'm not doing this with you so yeah two things can be true but he was the one called it still came down to her decision because he was calling no answer texting no answer and she made the she was the one that went to the diner walked right past him just to let that motherfucking know and then sat down it took him a minute to pick up on what was going on and then you can see the two of them him realizing that oh she's trying to just wipe the slate clean and this is her way of doing it because she tried it before and we're going to move forward. You have kids. You think she asked her dad for advice. He told her to go to the diner or told her to leave him alone? I think she didn't ask the dad for advice. If she did, he probably would have been like, leave that motherfucker alone. What do you think? Leave him alone. All these seasons, you hurt my baby and fuck him. The movie shit would have been like, but if you really love him, then, you know. You fucked up. Like, you fucked up her wedding. You cheated on her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, nah, we good. Leave that nigga alone. Yeah. You put up business. The mom, maybe not so much. What's mom's white? Mom's white. Mom's white. Yeah, mom was white. I don't know, man. I think we see different on the ending. That's cool. I mean, there's a lot of things we see different in this film, which makes it a good conversation piece. This might be my favorite movie. That's where it's at for me right now. it might be my favorite so far like it balanced the comedy the heaviness the tension felt like when it needed to be there it was there this was good this was this was a good experience it's a hell of a way a very creative way to make commentary about school shootings without using a school shooting yes that's what i loved about it i was like oh my god this is brilliant yeah i was in the movie thinking that this is smart as fuck so yeah that's good yeah again we did talk about the director y'all so yeah like i did bring it there just so y'all aware of it but again art from artists is a great piece of work um but shit debbie talked to nolan this week you ain't seen you ain't seen invincible yet i'm gonna say she talked to nolan this week okay so all right yeah y'all who saw it yeah so all that came was talking about yeah But other than that Man Follow us on Twitter And Instagram at FPS Podcast Also join the Reddit thread We have a lot of conversations there But if you want some Some more content From trailer reactions To solo reviews To nominating films Make sure to join the Patreon That's where you can get more access And as a patron you get a whole lot of control there So yeah until next time Peace Peace Thank you.