The Best of HardLore 2025

Hello, welcome. It's best of hard-law time. How you doing, Bo? I'm doing great. We're on Christmas vacation. It's crazy We really are but the vacation ends now because This is very important. We've got work to do This is our final episode of the year Wow, and it's made up of the episodes you've been watching all year Hopefully if not, you got you got a rid up tree to head to you. Yeah, here's what you missed This is the best of hard-law 2025 This is a an assortment of clips from throughout the year that have stuck with us that we thought You should see again and or for the first time. I'm excited for this because I don't really know what to expect I don't know what catches your eye. I don't know what catches Steven's eye. Yeah the wizard, you know And he's always watching he's he's very very similar to Santa Claus. So Merry Christmas to you all Happy New Year to you all. Mm-hmm. Thank you all for supporting us this year It was our best year ever. Yep, and we're looking forward to next year, which will be our best year ever. Yeah, decidedly. Yes So sit back relax grab some egg nog some silk nog Placing all the other nogs. Yeah, all the other nogs and enjoy the best of hard-law 2025 Yeah Every every major label and every major manager wants us Based on art of brown. Yeah, Western they got ahead like It makes no sense and they have no idea what's coming, which is so much so crazy Right a weird way of gambling and like if you think of what's being played on the radio at the time Including saying the sorrow once it happens like a lot of people associate bands with AFI because they Shared technically aesthetic Okay similarities with the sound It wasn't anything. No, nothing that that could be fit yet Even your contemporaries like you right it's different right right. It was just it was just it was just a different thing for better or worse at the time it was for better for whatever reason and we ended up deciding on Dreamworks and The baby was it because of Shrek You saw Shrek and you know what it's 2001 track 2001. Okay. Was that at the time? Yeah, it did not have much to do with it. They were separate They were separate it actually had to do with the a&r guy Luke who I'm still very good friends with who I spoke with today and yesterday The day before he signed us he signed Elliot Smith He tricked me into thinking he was Rick from Jimmy world. So I spoke to him Before we were speaking to a&r guys Okay, like get away from us get away from us until we decided okay now We want to talk to you until we had had the conversation with our record label owner Hey, who he started the conversation to be clear He sat us down said I think it's time for you to leave right when he knew we were going to say hey Can we please go? Sounds furious when he terrorizes crowds and causes a few Donnie Brooks whether the crowd likes it or not I think I heard the the oh go first No, the oh go you zoom was that I What is Martin That's not what He's not food man either food is money stir right? I'm alright I feel like that counts. He's not a thing bro. He's a human Come on Oh Close yeah, all right, Martina you've got ten thousand eight hundred dollars My school you back and it's gonna be really funny true daily double What do you have to lose? Fuck it do it all I All right, and the answer is ready I think you just won me the game Brian Who is not the loose What about splash zone is that the joke You know what I feel like I know who you ask these questions for yeah, what do you mean? Cuz you're so specific Splash is that the joke? Oh Ever one degree of separation What is splash? I'll tell you what the splash zone is but just don't associate me You know what I'll tell you the story okay, but it's not you It's not You as a person I don't care anymore then okay, so the spy zone is like okay, you know how you You go to like a like a restaurant they give you sauce like Boy do I just you like So like you take the extra sauce and you you roll the window down Hasn't done that oh it's if you're any kind if you're in this music you're a little bit of a fucker Yeah, you're you're so familiar with the splash zone, but you just don't like have the word for it Yeah, and then you just like throw it out the car and like because it splashes like you're entering this fly Okay, yeah, that's all it is fine And are you giving a warning when the splash zone is approaching are you announcing are you saying things such as splash zone? No, you don't you can't do that. I mean you there's like other games where you yell stuff out the window But this is like a different game. Oh, okay, you know, but I'll say this The splash zone stopped. Oh, okay. I'll tell you why I'll tell you why I was solo like solo splashing like Solo mission What I did was I rolled the window down my passenger window down, okay, and I like The crowing breakdown, okay, you popped off with that one. Yeah, that's when I'm like There's a dark entity in this man's mind So the heaviest music that I'm a fan of like actively you're like, yeah, I'm gonna put some suffocation on I did That's funny that you say suffocation Effigy of the forgotten is the one that I that's hilarious that you just called that So no, so there was a I had a brief moment in my in my teenage years where Effigy of the forgotten and obituaries cause of death. Let's go. We're the things that I would go to sleep to. Oh, you're sick I Previously on hard lore tell me about touring with Zuma in 2025. He's convinced that he can at least be you in nuggets There's no way I I fully agree Now I'm not gonna puke. Yeah, I didn't expect Not much like welcome. Okay, because if we play Is going on with my body Dude, I'm scared Any favorite things that Zuma does Maybe fighting Least favorite Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna show my ass often It's all It's your job to make her life's love seeing husband s You'd you show you asked I don't show my ass So on silent death would be Officially re-released by southern lord, which you would join for one more record One quote From Greg to you has stuck with me forever noted and remembered noted and remembered. I was an asshole though No, mmm in that regards. I don't know So this is what happened. So we're playing New York I think on the abandoned all-life record and I'm very at that time. I was still a very impatient person and the show had sold out and Between all of us I mean Sabo was in the band so he had a lot of heads coming Lives there. We have like a 10-person fucking guest list and What Greg did was fine. Yeah, all Greg did was say hey Todd Could you get these four people in from my district my distributor into the show and Instead of being nice and saying we just don't have guest list spots I was like in my mind I was like why are you asking me to get so many people on our guest list at a fucking New York City show where we have a ton of friends, right? And it's like in reality, it's a music hub and it's a music hub and it's a friend hub and like My it just sort of short circuited my brain. I was like no, absolutely not Like not in a nice way not in a professional way, but it was just like why are you asking me this and My response was a reflection of my character not his request So he does he deserves grace he deserves he deserved to be dealt with patience But in my asshole way I was like absolutely not like I'm not putting these people I don't know on my just like and another thing is with nails is like and it's like I prioritize The band members. Yeah before I prioritize anybody else totally. Yeah, so I'm sorry record label if we only have 10 spots We're using those for ourselves and our friends like If we have open ones, then we will let you in otherwise These people can just fucking pay to see the show one more. Todd is him before we Before we move on is the infamous couple tracks dude Wow another life-changing remark. That's not glad that ain't come from me. Who did it come from? Well, the band fucked up put out a record called couple tracks Okay, and I think where that came from was there was a password protected message board that talked about Anything that had to do with old hardcore anything and everything and it was actually very pivotal to me learning a lot about Old hardcore bands like especially like old European and Finnish hardcore bands It I think it came from that it's like we were talking about records like There it was a thing said an admiration like has a couple tracks Not not to like diss anything or maybe it was to diss something I don't know, but I think that term came from that message board Which is probably where fucked up got it from and in the fucked up song. Do they say it? Are they just talking listing bands? I don't know. No, I don't think there's a song called couple tracks I think they have a compilation CD or album called couple tracks, but it's but it's a compilation. So it's almost like I Don't know if they're they're making fun of themselves or if they're making light of the joke I don't I don't know what the intention is your intention No in the way that I I've carried it with me since was RIP Lou Reed couple tracks Lou Reed had a couple tracks For sure you really give it up right now Yeah, I will puke on camera if you want that in your living room. You say like it's a bad thing I'm telling you you didn't do this me puking on into I didn't I didn't choose to puke I stood up and vomit it and it was the best feeling I've ever felt you didn't stay Up and vomit it we did it in my room you went to your I stood up and was like oh, I'm gonna throw up I better go to my room. Uh-huh. Well, I got on my hands and knees and scrubbed that toilet Do you remember the text message you sent me this morning? That was from something else And I quote crazy style I'm not fucking Kardashians in your shit What's there? What was your first impression of that because I mean the first like hardcore mind you look at that and you're like Come on, but then a guy from Sydney mine you go. That's kind of crazy Hectic ass everything everything with speed bro. This whole experience is a piss take it's just a fucking piss day It's just like what next you know I'm saying everything is a laugh and I'm I welcome it because it makes for a fucking incredible Varied life experience. You know I'm saying so I was beautiful meeting the guy that brought we played We played the Shryman the Blues last year and Travis messaging Dennis is homie. He's mentioning being like I'm gonna pull up I'm gonna pull up with the wife don't meet Travis. So we are opening with not lose and we had Fucking all made from seppel tour a terby morse xyz like the most LA shit ever and then Travis Goddard Sorry Travis Barker and Courtney Kardashian on the seats guest list Wow, they came and watched us and then I went and spoke to Okay at that show I thought I blow blow my voice Oh, no, and we were 10 days in the lock loose to and I was freaking out and I was like holy fuck I still have like 60 shows ahead of me what am I gonna do? And I was sitting trying to like gather my thoughts after we played and then they're like yo Travis and corny's over there So I was like I'm gonna go sing. What's up? I walked over and then corny was there and she's like telling me They'd have it they just had a baby called Rocky and she was like good movie when I see Rocky I I go up to him and I and I do this voice when I talk to him like This and and Travis was like oh you you should try being like a hardcore vocalist You sound like the guy from speed and so which and she told me that she was watching his play from side stage And she was like I reckon I could do this. I'm gonna do this and I was there being like sick And in my head I was like What I want to tell Gemma my girlfriend about this when I go home and this is a weird confession They thought someone who's meant to be quite famous But she was super down earth and probably literally They literally Caught it over to see us and start their date night That's feature on that mother's day. No do a mother's day. Really? Good day. And she's a mother. She's a mother now anyway One of the worst But one of both you're in my favorites. I believe the fucking goo goo dolls. Oh, man That's a rough one dude. It's tough. That's a rough name. It's tough now. You know And like I Ain't wearing goo goo dolls, you know and and they started out as like a hard rock band Mm-hmm, and they're metal blade records metal blade records. Were they from New York? I think they were buffalo They're from Buffalo. So it's like yeah, New York dolls surely they were aware of Was it a play on that with goo and then a boy named goo and saw this like what's your they're obsessed with goo? I don't know man. Ah Goo goo Why did it have to be twice, you know, no like mighty mighty boss tones I'm not I'm not even I wasn't even gonna bring it up. Don't get me started. What's a fucking band? That's an incredible the boss tone alone. Yeah alone. Yeah brilliant because they're Bostonians from Boston. Yes It's mighty boss tones Genius you add mighty mighty, you know, it's the best Vince McMahon falling off the chair Same unreal goo goo You get worse The dolls great the goo dolls what? Kill yourself. I want to start with the origin of the named wit. I've got a visual representation here of the story I've heard oh And you tell me whether or not this is true. I Think I know what you're gonna say and it's not true You tell me this I could tell you that story that's a strange one Yeah But that's so that's not why? No Wow, so there was a guy from Cleveland Ohio named Jason pops and he was for a while the singer for the band Incal blood with Aaron and Lenny and As well as mushroom head eventually and and mushroom head he was at simultaneously with mushroom head actually So it's an awkward conversation. I'm I'm not sure how to say it. So I'll just say it Back in those days you would talk on a phone that would be either a cordless one or stuck to a wall this is ancient times and Sometimes people would doodle on paper while they were talking they didn't have face time like this for your younger viewers They're gonna think this is mind-blowing But um, so yeah, so I'm talking to him and then he says has this eureka moment He says I figured it out and I said figured out what we were talking about something totally unrelated And he said your name your name It's pimp upside down and I said, what are you talking about dude? He's got doodling your name while I'm talking to you on the phone. I said, okay That's fucking awkward. I don't know how to respond and then he explained it to me I wrote your name in all lower caps and spun it around and I said, yeah, that's that's not where it came from Oh my god, this is this is both heartbreaking and Incredible information. Yeah, you know becoming the top dogs in in in a in a you American And Regular touring HC, I'll call it that that can come controversy. So With that, I am of course talking about the alleged floor punch yogurt incident of 1996 Can you tell me about that? How aggressively did this yogurt get distributed? You know, how bad was the scene of the crime with this yogurt? It was a yogurt carpet bombing Okay, wow. See I've been curious, right, but it's a lot but the funny thing is You know, nobody had anything to say before we played You know, nobody wanted to debate us or go toe-to-toe like Barring with insults or throwing a punch, you know, they waited till we're on stage and they're throwing stuff from out of the dark And I was like Is insane It was ridiculous, you know, but at the same time, I mean punk. I mean hardcore does come from punk Yeah, and I understand that there's wild cats. I mean I've made a few prank phone calls in my life, you know, I get it That's part of the tour. Let us also not let's let's consider the flip side of the coin where if somebody Fundamentally disagrees with Earth crisis. Yeah Sabotaging their set is their form of destroying the machine of Earth crisis You can't destroy the spirit in this machine And I'll tell you what um So people are throwing yogurt and they're Unplugging our gear and what was funny is Dennis was just he just kept a beat and the crowd kept singing Wow And that was powerful and fury of five were very upset and For you They were our friends and they're very upset because we were guests in New Jersey. Yep, and also I don't want them upset Dude, they are phenomenal, but I'll tell you a story about them live later 454 big block were very upset to all the original FSU dudes and You know, so a guy they throw some yogurt a guy runs up on stage He's wearing a fake fur coat or real fur coat and kids started hit him and you can hear me on the mic say Back off you're going to kill him back off. I didn't you know, so I wanted to stop. Yeah Well, what was really cool was when people were being aggressive our fans kept singing even without the guitars When the powers cut to Dennis's drum beat and they actually got up on stage and made a little wall around us So it was amazing that you know to try and view that as a diss actually I think it backfired big time, you know, what's been referred to my whole life as the earth crisis floor punch yogurt insert incident We've now come to learn as more the earth crisis in can dagger Yogurt incident, but if you could break down this incident from your perspective, I think It'd be great. I don't know what led Well, you know what it's funny because I'll give us crisis this they were catching a lot of slack way more than we were You know what I mean? Because they really wore that shit on their sleeves They don't mean like yeah, they did and they preached it and they so I remember I wasn't really familiar with earth crisis But I remember our first show was with earth crisis human remains Well got society ensign bug at society bought like Two dozen white castles to throw an earth crisis before they even played You know your first show our first show. So it's just this just constantly happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know We don't eat animals. I don't remember it happening But I remember hearing that it was gonna happen and I definitely didn't watch earth crisis I might even like out in the back playing soccer or something. I don't know but um Yeah, so you know, I don't know what brought the Philly guys I guess they had an actual beef to do it Or just like hey like Sean was that kind of guy? He was a funny like energetic character. You know what I mean? But what led up to him doing that? I'm not quite sure Okay, you know, I mean it got pinned on you for 20 years Yeah, and it wasn't us, you know no no one in the band, you know other dudes are unplugging their equipment But I think just kind of when like everyone kind of puffed their chest out a little when pack-up jumped and like just we were like Kind of mixed with that, you know what I mean? Yeah, sure and then Carl's saying hey, if you try to fight me I'll stab you to people allegedly Pretty cool. It is cool. I don't remember that but yeah, but I see so that stick man from Fury 5 was also there and and backed earth crisis Which if I'm you I'm like fuck Dino just showed up and and ended this you know big man. Oh gee s Peter The shit yeah, I'm not gonna say there was like Fury 5 floor punch beef because there wasn't But like, you know, there was like some noise by people that followed us and like friends of theirs But you know they practiced in the same studio sometimes the same nights as us, you know what I mean? So a stick man wanted to come over and like You know he had you know, he had his chances. So it was never really like that, you know what I mean I know I think I'm having some ethernet issues. Maybe hang on. Let me try something. No problem Oh We're gonna scoot down there you can't hear me Steven. It's just you and me now The story of New York minute. Oh, it's like a good place is like a great segue please unbelievable So basically Yeah, but I'm also like I'm like I don't believe in ghosts and then I'm like I'm not going in basement by myself Yes, I mean say that's just a sense. I kind of believe in energy. I'm with you see so All right, so me and my wife we buy this house moving in the neighborhood whatever and In the middle of the night, I'm literally like laying in bed and I sleep naked No, and I'm like full-on full on naked Of his house is a little spooky but I Literally hear like something that's not like my garage The wall behind my bed is like the garage. Yeah, and I hear something. I'm like, what's your address? I'm like someone is in my garage like I can hear them in my garage When someone's stealing my car or something so well, we don't park in there, but someone's I I'm crazy enough that if you're in my house and any compact like I have a kid You're going to the cemetery. It's also Rochester, which is a terrible. Okay. Yeah, where I live is very chill but it's yeah, it's not great and I'm paranoid so I Wake up and I'm like what the hell's going on and I like and I get up and you can't really see out It's dark and there's lights in the house whatever so I'm like, all right. Fuck this I walked in my closet and get my gun and I'm just clearing my house and I'm like, okay. That's weird There's no one like I open the garage like yeah It's happening. Yeah, are you still naked? Oh, I'm naked. Yeah Horrifying is the only way because I Here's the thing it's like I'm not gonna take the time to get dressed. I think someone's here. Yeah, so I Go to the garage and there's like no one so I'm like, okay. I peek out the back door. I'm like, all right, whatever I go to bed. I'm like, I'm just being crazy again. I go back to bed Put the gun back, you know get in bed Lay back down and like I start to fall asleep. I hear it again and it's louder I'm like, oh someone is in my house and now they've seen me. Yeah, and they were hiding. Yeah, and I didn't see that So I'm like, fuck. Yeah, so get out of bed get the gun and I'm like now I'm like, okay Is your wife awake? Now she has woken up. She's like, what are you doing? Yeah, and I'm like Go to bed. I was like, someone's in the fucking house. Shut up. So I'm like, all right, my son's door is closed. I'm good and I make it around and whatever and Again, no one in the garage, whatever and I walk and I'm just I just stand still like if you walk in my front door It's basically the center of the entire house and I just stand there for like two minutes and I hear it and I'm like They think I'm in my bed And I wait and I wait and it happens again and I'm like, all right. That's it And I just open the door and it's my fucking screen door Like because it's a house I've lived in long so you're telling me Yep, the screen door was peeking in your window. Oh Yeah The driver needed to make This guy's name is shark by the way shark shark sick. Come on. It's not sick It's pretty sick. You had to you can't drive and name shark dude. It's not true. That's true You got to be a driving wizard to be shark. It's yeah, wait So he he had to make like this 100 point turn To get to to the like to line up with the gas pump. Yeah Shark Eric Eric eventually like as he's still in the midst of trying to make this turn Eric gets out Just gets out. He goes I got to get the fuck out of here and he like walks away. I Follow Eric. I'm like I can't do this either and then so the guide the guy shark comes up to me I turn around He's like he followed me and I go what I'm like, what bro? He's like they told me to ask you how to do this and I'm like bro I said you need to get the fuck away from me. Oh, there's gonna be a problem. So We're freaking out on this guy The whole time he's been hitting into fences Part cause he's been a mess the whole tour Finally get that out of the way. Whatever back on the road. Okay. This was this was the pivotal turning point Oh my god, everything shit. Like it all hits the fan Me and Eric are in the back Me and Eric are in the back we're on this night drive to Italy out of nowhere Like you hear it like a just like a like a you know, he hit something he dinged something we're on the highway But like we're still driving this dude Starts screaming at the top of his lungs while driving still he's just going I Can't even get through me and Eric just look at each other. We're in the back We look at each other and just start bursting out laughing because at this point We're just like what the fuck is even going on anymore. So turns out he hit a deer And he's so distraught about it because he was like a vegan guy, I guess why and Shark to be vegan, I'll tell you So we get to the hotel the van is total by the way Such a way that it fucked up one of like the you know, whatever And it's leaking and we're not gonna make it what kind of van was it? It's like one of those like little shitty bucket vans, you know, yeah, yeah, okay? Like not a spritter not a spritter, okay, Peter pulls me inside also a very calm guy does nothing but smoke weed Peter pulls me to the side when we get to the hotel. He's like, yo If we don't get a new driver, I'm flying home tomorrow. I'm not gonna die in Europe Straight out. I mean, it's like so fair. Yeah, I said yep. I know you're right. We call it Martin We're trying to figure it out We were on tour with spy and mine war Okay, and Mine was from Germany The B van, right? Yes, and one of the guys in my war used to drive for bands So we're like, okay, we're gonna meet up with the van people Mm-hmm. We're gonna get a new van Then we're gonna we're gonna kill shark. We're gonna. Yeah, we're gonna I was shocked when we get to Venice sure and I mean of Vienna and You're gonna drive the rest of the tour is like, yeah, it's fine. Dude. Yeah, I do. I'll do that. No problem go to Vienna He almost gets us hit by a train. I'm not kidding. He like almost did not stop in time But when the thing was coming down and the train was coming like he almost hit the fucking train like Let me know okay, so anyway, sir So So we finally get to to the venue after he makes like 10 million wrong turns the sky fucking sucks We get to the venue. We're like, yo, you're done Like that's it man. I'm sorry like martin's gonna Figure out getting you fucking home. You gotta go. It's it and he goes. I'm so relieved I'm like what and he's like, I've just been having a terrible time. I don't know what I'm doing You guys are mad at me and I'm like, yeah, we're mad at you dude because you're gonna fucking kill us So you suck. Yeah, you gotta go. You're the worst shark in the world. We gotta talk sing along etiquette here uh because It's called a pile on you know, it's you're supposed to pile on each other And earn the microphone, you know, you gotta you I'm we're singing up here That's what's all about so you gotta climb the mountain to get to the singer They're cheating now. Yeah, they're going to the drums. They're coming right up to you and going Just no etiquette or they're taking they're taking your mic while you're playing guitar They're taking alex mic any microphone available I'm pulling the mic out of the bass drum They would The stage is your stage. That's the whole point. But you jump off Yeah, don't overstay your welcome. I mean, I think it's pretty I think everyone inherently has The clock in them. They know when they've overstayed Dude that they just say fucking and do it. That's what you think The clock is missing to to a whole crop. Isn't it funny how full circle we've come that's stage diving started because bouncers Would kick kids off. Yeah before they could sing on the mic before you would beat the bouncer and jump off now We need bouncers again apparently It's crazy. John. No Self bounce I've heard a quote of yours about your lyrics and I it is Yo, I'm not gonna lie. This shit don't mean nothing No, do you know do you still feel that way? Or are there some songs where you're like, man, this one is really personal and and like All my songs are just a primal outage all every peeling flesh song is about a different way of Beating the out of someone like that's literally just what it is. It's just primal just caveman just Bunga booma dismemberment. Can I take a cut pee pee? Yeah, like that's like we don't have to stop nothing You can keep this going to uh Who you're who are the bands that like you yeah, this is gonna be cut like he likes primus. I don't fuck with primus Okay, chili peps. I don't fuck with them. Okay. I got one chili peps record that I fuck with which one one hot minute Yeah, bang Is that before after like I hate them. They were like a part of my life growing up I I've seen the chili peppers three times. They're great I had to go see them because silver chair was opening This is good. I'm sorry. Yeah, I've never bought fun. Oh, I'm still on that shit. Yeah, you're killing it You're gonna hear this I need you to adjust this flow so it makes me sound girthier You know, this is like sounds like a very weak flow right now This will be a new bonus features at the end of this this flow. It's gonna sub over like Niagara Falls Yeah, I'm gonna do it my mouth. So you don't have to do it Jamie can we talk about The last code orange performance It was what was we got through it the last show we fucking got into it with everybody there and It was crazy. Oh, is this when the event seven full thing? I mean it can be called that I personally never said anything about event seven fold and have no problem with event seven fold So you got fucked your last show ever what what happened during the actual set itself They stormed the castle on us, brother. They tried to fucking take the stage Trying to be heroes shut us down And I wasn't gonna work out like that the festival. That's not not a band the No avenged and cried on a bad or anything and fucking this Johnny Johnny Now we're now we're brothering actually let's put the let's take the fucking mask off But yeah, um, no Johnny blaze didn't fucking come up and unplug my shit. Oh, I'm saying is Oh I'm saying is we were up there, but did Johnny blaze's crew? You know, okay. It's the point by place is all I know Okay, but a couple hours before we had this ginger brother. He was our fucking TM. He was cool as shit Dude, you gotta don't any relation to Joe No Another one. There's too much to my dismay No, but um, so this fucking dude. He's awesome. Great guy English brother blanking on his name He's loaves boy. Great dude. He comes up to me five hours early. Get there. It's muddy It's hell the dude comes up to me. Hey at some point in the morning Hey, they might need to cut your set whatever and I told him I said brother We can't cut the set the set Is that's the set you know sound I'm saying? Yeah, the set's already set and also I wasn't saying this but this is our damn last show Playing the damn down. So you knew you knew we can't no, but no, I didn't this is how I didn't know Okay, okay He basically was like, all right, I'm gonna come back and I'll let you know what happens He never comes back. I think We're good. He went back said we won't cut the set everything's all good So we have that issue issues start compounding as the day goes on Then there haven't even more issues like beyond that, you know And by the way, there was a certain amount of set condensing that we could we we were able to do but Past a certain point our whole shit falls apart with like the way it's all set up with all this fucking totally understand Yeah, technology involved. Yeah Dude, it's a Yes, well we didn't as as we found out once we got up there because none of that shit turned on at all whatsoever So anyway, we get so we're back there. We're waiting to go waiting to go They're holding us off. They're holding us off more minutes are going by I'm thinking at this point. I'm thinking okay Someone's gonna get cut to some level and okay We go out there nothing works the ears don't work the try I hear the tracks in the distance because I'm on this fucking like ledge like out like 10 miles away from everybody They're all off and you know, so it's like wacky sounds are happening on like completely different parts I'm like, this is a fucking I instantly callin's gonna love this I instantly boom color get color right away bleed gotta go because I'm like this sounds like shit I gotta bleed no, I knew I'm that's exactly what I thought we started bleeding Shit's going awry. We have to huddle up at one point Which is always a bad thing if you ever see a band all fucking unless it's like a fucking like the fest style band We're like, what do we do so we fucking We keep going and then dude we're like four songs into the set power just goes out They they cut the fucking power on us just straight up Yeah, so then Fucking people in the band start fucking breaking shit once again This is probably Feeling the curtain back a bit too far But my thought is we got to make something out of this shit. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so we have some mic stands that we fucking rented. So our shit right we were paying for it I fucking take one Sell to the crowd they pop There it goes, right? Yeah, so I'm going one by one. I'm taking every single one out because it's getting it's getting a big pop What are we gonna do? You know, it's our shit That's 80 80 quid. Yeah. Yeah. What's 80 quid for a lifetime? Other people are doing other crazy shit That's got nothing to do with me. All right, and then some other people are doing shit that they're just breaking their shit You know just they're fucking Working an angle then some some brothers tried to be a hero and they run on and they start fucking Grabbing our shit and we get into it them and I get into it with the guy and then Joe ends up getting into it With the guy like runs the whole thing and they throw our gear in the mud and I heard about it all has mud on it They put in there was a location where gear was supposed to be loaded And code stuff was placed in just the middle of a field Dude, Joe Goldman my fucking brother who I love Fucking lost his shit. That's the one thing he will not tolerate because he has to deal with all this shit Yeah, he he he that was and that was the next problem that happened Which was like a whole backstage like basically became like a we got to get these guys out of here like situation because it was just Fires were going everywhere. You know what I mean, which honestly when I look back it was fucking sick. I mean, yeah That's the way this shit. So this should be it's this is what 100 is, you know So wait, it's not that way at all But it should be if it was hard and fun. Am I wrong and that's really it clarified this for me So did you know that that was your last show? Going into it or was it decided like all right. Fuck it. That is the last one. I knew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah We knew Every time Hey there Delilah, but as a hey there's Stephen. No, hey Stephen is that Taylor Swiss? Oh, oh, yeah, that's right I thought you're singing. Hey there Delilah. No, no, there's a catching one that goes Stephen. Why don't you call me? I'm a Stephen. What's it like in inland empire? Is it hot and is it cold and is it Warm or is it bold? I want to know this is your friend named bow Oh one seven media. Yeah, my name is Pazuzu some know me as Reagan How about you? I'm Gwen Danzig. Oh my god. I'm Gwen. So You know things are a little Little different here. Um, I was asked not too long ago what my drag name would be And it just hit me when Danzig Pretty unbelievable. Thank you. Yeah, you would clean up dude. We got to get you on drag race Do I look good? It's dude. So so anybody watching none of us neither of us knew That we would both be iconic women really The skin had played live in the Mayans series finale Can you tell me about how that came to be and I know for a fact Josiah was plugged in for that He came and he conquered and uh, he ripped it dude. He got a private lessons Um, I think taylor And you do just I just shredded it. He learned the entire song On one string He was he shredded it dude. Elgin Was directing and writing all of Mayans. He came from um from sons of anarchy and started this thing on his own and um He'd heard some of the stuff eric uh, eric hooked it up too and they were filming the final Season so elgin was just like wow, do we you know cultivate this feeling of you know, this the show and so um I got a call saying that elgin wants to put your song in one of the episodes and I freaked out and uh said absolutely no, what's the money talk to my talk to my lawyer um Then they gave me an offer. I can't refuse. So I said absolutely. Let's do it and then it kept like it kept uh It kept molding like it first it was like oh, we're just gonna put it in Yeah, like it's gonna be at a thing and I'm like, all right, that's awesome And then um, they're like actually there's another scene where we want you to be the backing band And I was like, what's the scene? Okay, so um, it's a white power biker group and I'm like perfect find me uh Um, but dude, it's like this pinnacle. I'm I haven't watched the show But it's this pinnacle scene of like the Mayans coming in and just murdering people It's like I'm yelling in a thing joe v's riffin josh james Like all the dudes all though everyone's playing people are getting murdered. Mexi is beating a man Half to death with uh with a baseball bat this dude like the first thing they do they walk in the show people turn around and the guy gets his head blown off um It was pretty awesome, dude. It was it was really cool. What I didn't know is um That was maybe like 15 or 20 seconds long and I was there for 13 hours. Oh, yeah Yeah, so they used they used the live Audio of you playing in the show. It's not that's a reported song. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. Wow. It was awesome Yeah, it was cool and dude to be like Yeah, it was it was a dream come true because I was like i'm finally a shitty band In like a show or a movie. This is awesome. So Pretty big fan of a little band cold eye hat god I was wondering I was wondering where this was for those of you who don't know Aaron is Literally the biggest eye hat god fan. I know gotta be one of the top in the world in the world Yeah, you're atop and and on that european tour We played budapest With eye hat god. Yeah, so Aaron and you smoked meth with them, right? Yep That's awesome I mean that's every little boy's dream I was gonna go Aaron was really excited about it When he saw the wire patty has a photo of me from that night and I'm smoking two cigarettes I don't I don't smoke What are your names where are you from uh, dany from south florida Brandon from south florida south florida south florida bro Miami, Miami. Is that 954 too? 305 305. My apologies. Could you name for me your top four favorite hardcore records? Oh god, okay any record any time singles lps eps splits whatever you want. All right. I'll say the first Burf is pain Wow, excellent answer. How old are you? Oh 19 19 How many 21 21 bna one obviously master killer. Okay solid the kids are doing really good. This is outstanding two or two for two systems overload Or or I love this guy. Great. Yeah, I love cvo. What's number four wait stay there So my personal favorite. Yeah fourth one All right, this is gonna be funny Justice replaced by revenge. Dude. This kid you crushed. Yeah, great job. Really well done. Do you watch the show? Of course You you you're from play ball. He's from play ball top four records. Yes destroy the machines unbelievable Start today unbelievable Uh the regression album with the ones at three tracks. Yep, and uh The stroke born to land hard Wow, I'm I'm a miami guy 19 21 you guys did great. I can't believe it. You crushed excellent. Excellent job. Excellent work What's your name? Where are you from? I'm escrow. I'm from south florida. We're in south florida Miami 305 Friends with these two 305 All right now hold on wait wait hold on hold on. Well, let you say the name of the band as long as your answers are just as good Could you tell me your top four hardcore records of all time? This is big. All right river on dred Fuck satisfaction For those who were crucified wow Uh, my hand is unbelievable. Damn. What's in the water here? Jeff? Jeff for south florida Our dog black heaven records. Fuck it. I'm gonna go off the wall and say uh Sonic xx by crowbar Not a hardcore. It's not bob. I don't know but he gives her to give it to you. He gave it to you. Kirk knows Uh river runs red. Love it destroy the machines. Love it. Um Start today beautiful. Love it bring him down you two get over here Get right Other band other band man, please All right, he's shy. I'm a little shy. That's okay. I'm just gonna talk to you. Okay. Cool. I'm just gonna Okay, what's the name of your band? Uh, we're calling no truth. We're from south florida. No truth from south florida How will you mine? I'm 17. I turn 18 tomorrow demo 18 tomorrow. Are you serious? Yeah 21 21 21 18 18 19 No truth. Okay. That was slate two steven. Just in case you're confused, which you may be so I apologize Here we go. Mm-hmm as white trash rob would say Here we go Hello, welcome It's hard Lord's time. How you doing, bo? So I went in the middle of the night This is literally middle of the night. They came and arrested me at my house Like I was sleeping and then my mom's like Brett the cops are here Wow, who readed you out? Uh, I actually do know who it is, but I'm not gonna drop names. But someone readed you Yes. Yes. It was somebody. Yeah, I know and I'm sure she regrets it. Yeah, for sure for sure So I'm not gonna I don't think she's gonna be listening to this either. You never know We were number six in australia last week. Okay She could be vacationing Okay, sorry, so it's middle of the night mom taps on the door She yeah, she's like red the cops are here to see you and so the stormtroopers are here in doosal dwarf michigan to come Yes, so they printed out the myspace comment, which I think is just so funny Just like they they slice there. We're at the dining room table and they like slide it across the table like Did you write this and I'm like, I don't know I I really don't know because at the time Like We were writing a lot of myspace comments. That's what we were doing so true with our time So and I had been sick from school and I was just on myspace that entire day So I was like, I don't know maybe like it looks like I did that's that's my that sounds like some shit I would say so they slide it across the table and they're like, okay. Well, do you have ice skates? My mom played hockey. So he did. Yeah, so it was a you know It didn't look good for me. Now. Why let me ask you though. Why did you choose ice skates? Okay? So like I said, it was a question. Oh, thank you her husband the teacher's husband Was like a hockey referee or something and she just talked about it all the time And at some point I had like made a reference to like we you know Should kill her with ice skates, you know and then went home and later on it was like Can't wait to kill her with ice skates. So you're doing a like callback bit in the comments. It was a bit The cops were like a bit much for the FBI for the michigan state police right? Yes for uh officer schneider What's her name? Oh, that is german means cutter Like a tear. I don't know what you're trying to say right now, but I'm with you. I'm saying it's like the gestapo like collins comment Exactly fair. Okay. So then they're like, well, you're gonna be coming with us tonight And I was like, are you fucking for real like I I couldn't believe it at the time So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna go and I'm not gonna put up a fight Um, I was too tired They like mate they handcuffed me and like put me in the back of the car And then I get to the juvenile detention center and they're like, you know, do the whole intake process Drug screening all this stuff. You're like, okay. You're like 16 15 oh my god. Yeah, and then there they Go, okay, like have a good sleep for a couple of hours and then we're gonna wake you up in the morning and you have to like go to Gym class basically you have a private room Yeah, I had a private room, but like the day room was was shared. So like you get a private cell and then There's like a day room where and it's co-ed too, which is really yeah interesting. Yeah So is this like a scared scared straight kind of thing like are they trying to make it set an example? So I scared straight in the sense that like they were trying to scare other people straight they were like, we're gonna fuck you and You're like you're going to like I mean I'll I'll get into it but they were like I think there's some more context to what they were thinking I think they actually thought that I might be violent. They were like, did you see She has that hair like you know Skin bird. Yeah, I didn't have that yet Violent so that happens and then I get finally get released on house arrest And I'm not allowed to use the internet and I'm not allowed to leave my house That lasts for like a year Of can you imagine not using the internet for a year that when my space like mattered? You know like that was They'd be like, oh, brydie actually can't talk Look at what my messages and comments and friend requests say. Yeah, so also. I wasn't allowed on like aim Which was how people communicated. Yeah, I got good text. You're pariah. Yeah. Well, there's more so that happens and then Of course, I found a way to use the internet teens are sneaky and they're smart. We're gonna get it done How'd you do it? How'd you do it all day? So I found the this is crazy too to think about That we used to have like a chip that had our internet act like it wasn't part of the computer So you could like remove the internet chip like a land a land card. Yeah Yeah, yes, that's what it was. Yeah, and at that point I was like, okay dad gets home at five So I have until five o'clock to be on On the internet and then my probation officer Actually, like this is weird She looked up my aol like instant messenger name, which I wish I could remember so she finds that I'm on AOL instant messaging at the time though I was actually on it on my phone when she was like, I know that you're on the internet I was like, oh no, she caught me But if I had just been like, no, I wasn't and then waited for her to tell me what she had on me Which was that she like found my AOL instant messaging name and like it showed me as available I could have just been like, oh that's on my phone and actually you didn't say that I couldn't be on AOL instant messaging But of course 15 year old you don't really know. Yeah I did it So then my punishment was I had to go to military style boot camp Oh my fucking god, I know like could that kelly? Yeah, no, exactly. Like could I kill this is Unreal so in prison you could have um mtv2 on your so you're seeing it. Yeah, so I'm seeing him host head bangers ball I'm seeing I'm seeing the whole live for this triple x thing. Wow dudes are asking me about my tattoo Because I've you know, I hit the the tramp stamp. Did they believe you? Well at first before like before jayme was on I mean before hate breed was like You know kind of a household name. Yeah guys would hit me up In prison like you know, is that a crew? What does that mean? Like It's a band. I swear to god I'm not like you But uh, but after that all blew up. I mean definitely people were like, oh, I guess you must be a real fan of theirs You know stuff like that. No, no actually not Anymore You listen our wall collab with my from yob Huge warzone versus sick of it all I'm going warzone. I'm going sick of it all. Yeah, why don't we call vital vital would be good All right, here we have mr. James James I've got I've got a big matchup for you right now with the meth hat. It's very appropriate for this. Yeah We're in the second Beautiful This this second round matchup. We're out of standstill We need you Warzone versus sick of it all Wow Isn't that tough I feel totally off guard I just feel like naked in the woods right now because I answered this in a basketball jersey A hat that I'm proud of but I'm just totally shocked right now and then the question you're asking me is crazy Wow, can I ask some questions on like how you're getting these answers? Absolutely. Our goal here was pure gut feeling. Yeah It's just like going to your head. You got to make it. Go into your head. You got to make a you got to make a decision I went sick of it all both said warzone and I'll have you know that warzone beat black flag in the first round As they should have As they should have Oh my god, I think it's a pretty impossible to beat plus sweat. No tears I'm saying sick of it all Thank you I I did I think longevity has to be a factor here and that's that's a huge part of my thinking you're not wrong And just like the sheer discog discograful output, you know And you're saying sick of it all I'm saying sick of it all I think you're saying sick of it. I hate this situation. I'm in right now. I think it's good What do you say I'm flipping you're oh, I'm going to work them. Wow Yes Shocking That's why he's our manager I'm not fucking happy about it. I know but you went warzone and you know, listen, that's gut gut is gut On this interruption we hate to interrupt this all-time great classic episode with one of the all-time great straight edge frontman of all time But we got to bring you a few quick messages Nope When you stank don't thank just scape it up Hold on. Hold on. We're we're so close. Mac put me on to a thing called called dead guy hub You gotta get on at dead guy. What is that if you want you you will find out that uh, I didn't know that If you touch an electrical wire the right way it'll turn your head into a candle Oh my god, it's people dying dude. He's looking at legit like tragedies and I'm I I don't ask for it It's just there but that's your feed and you stop and watch them every time There's a certain friend that has put this into my feed by texting me shit And he's in a huge bath It's like dude I didn't ask for that Circa put out two more records and has since gone on hiatus. Would you call it a hiatus? Uh No, feel free to answer or not. It's okay. Yeah, I think hiatus was like Thrust it upon us But like it's hard to talk about all that stuff just because like Circa, it was it wasn't just like a band. Yeah for me like so we were like we were a family You know what I mean? And when that shit went down talk about things I wish I would have done different, you know When all that shit went down, uh It was like, uh, you know such a heartbreaking thing, you know, we I never imagined that it Going away the way it went and no, yeah, I don't know of them. I don't know. I don't even know the context I don't know the story We had a we had a tour for this this This you know for blue sky noise. It was like our 10-year anniversary tour is gonna be a third 10-year anniversary tour And it was postponed by the pandemic like crazy And we postponed it and postponed it and I relapsed right before And had to go to treatment And it was like a really stressful time for the band and this is like their all their life is doing this band And all their life is is having to deal with me sometimes being accountable sometimes being not and I think it got to the point where it was so difficult and I was so far gone that I think for them like the best thing Was for me just to get help and to focus on that and they didn't really You know, nobody really knew how what to do and it was there was Darkness descended And uh, you know, like I don't like war stories. Yeah, I know that for sure. Yeah You know Circa Survivor is like the best thing that never happened to me and I I love it more than anything and uh, I'm You know, I always want to celebrate it and I always will and you know Yeah, I It's a weird situation because you know, what I want more than anything is for us all just to be friends with each other and Regardless of no matter what like that all that stuff like that means to other people too like all that stuff like I just you know and We've all kind of come together. Oh, you know and uh, you know all of us But I've you know since then I've we've you know, I've been talking to everybody, you know, nick the bass player came out to see me In california and and collin and brendon and I have spent time together and and you know, we've all Been talking a little bit and uh, that's just to me. That's everything. Yeah I don't know if the band is ever gonna do anything ever again. You know what I mean? Like I and even if it didn't like wouldn't be the scene It just wouldn't and people want you sometimes it's hard You know because you want to give people what they want you want to do stuff like that But it's like not it You're the expense of everyone and I'm the people pleaser So like I always want to give people what they want and part of me feels like I don't even deserve to be here I must I'm doing what people want of me. You know what I mean? Yeah, and so like it's tough, but like Um, I don't want to put anybody in a bad situation You know, like I just want to honor what everybody needs in their life and just being able to be friends with those people And have them in my life in any way. It's like really special That's that'll be more messages. Like remember that and you know, um, you know Brendan and I saw each other in kandaggar. We're the pit and in kandaggar and philly and like it feels good to to be To be able to to celebrate that again. And I I love I'm it should be so Yeah, I should be celebrating. You know, yeah, um, um I'm always down. Okay always down always ready Here's what I'm gonna do one more thing before we start. I'm gonna pop an extra battery in the charger just in case Something happens Steven you got to get our creators and play We can't stop and we won't stop Let's us rip ready. Yeah, I'm gonna let him breathe a little Let him out let him out Just to post human out Where you are currently standing And where are you are currently watching us from your point of view Is the point of view of every artist that ever played the fireside bowl because you are currently on the very stage For every single band play Tell me about yeah, shane. Come here. Yeah Tell me about the fireside bowl. Tell me about looking stuff here seeing shows here. How How was this The most iconic venue in spain the first year or two there was no stage And you just we're on the floor right here then things started to get a little crazy So they they built this stage which still stands here and now it's like where they house all the bowling balls But this is still the exact same so davie have it Yeah, bowling balls Well, there was no bowling balls in the stage in there, but yeah, that's fair now. Yeah, baby have it. Yeah but a lot of times a fi um A lot of those Yeah, what are some legendary gigs you booked here or went to? Oh One of my favorites I always talk about is Entombed hatred and bloodlet for the tour and they played here Entombed was on to ride shoes shouldn't speak the truth and hate freedom just come out with satisfaction And bloodlet opened that yeah, that was a that was a cool show and this is the stage. So if you back up This is the pov. Yep Was this the same floor? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. So this is the pit. This is the pit. Oh, yeah This is it But it would be so packed You know Depending on the show was this open. Yeah, but they would explain it they would put like a A gate almost it's like that orange construction fence that you see like festivals and stuff. That was all Right right where the wood could get damaged. That's where it started. What would technically the capacity be? Great question legal or what we actually did what you did well, they don't do it anymore So I think the statuette up legal capacity was 179. Holy hell We had some shows elf seven Melvin's Slapstick where there was 800 people 800 people. So you're talking people All the way back and in some cases even on the lanes That happened a couple times early on and then the owners like no more of that But it did happen a couple times when we start to advance into to punk and hardcore How do you get hard harder? How do you get hard? This is lucho How do you start to get musically more heavy and so you're ready for this? So here's my origin and here's where it happened for me I actually started listening to a bunch of swedish bands. Oh like who this band called ds 13 dm assistant 13 out of Umio Sweden Dennis from refuse. It's his younger brother's man. Okay, and so I started getting into that before I actually got into american Hardcore. Oh shit. Yeah, how did you find that? Oh, how the fuck did I find us the Scandinavian dark way? Yeah, right So my homie gave me a record of DS 13 this DS 13 album and it was just so like Dope for me and it was like probably one of like the hardest albums That I hadn't heard and then I just started digging into like this swedish like underground scene, uh, you know and umio sweden and so Obviously like you find like refuse, but I was finding like bands like it's so funny. So I was on uh Toby Morse's one life one chance podcast and he had Dennis from refused on And it's so funny because I showed Dennis my tattoo because I have a DS 13 was one of whatever it is I know right just like about 12 exactly. It's so 13 Dennis looked at it. He like looked at his glasses up. He's just like How do you know that? Because it's like it was like just so deep You know what I mean? And I was like naming all these like bands that he was just like who are you? I was like, dude. I was a I was a 15 year old kid that got kicked out of a class So I had to sit in the homeroom. I don't know if you guys remember that like the homeroom. Yeah. Yeah, so I had Had to sit in the best part of the day. Yeah, it was part of the day. Yeah, and so I had to sit in the homeroom uh, and so I was just on this on the computer and I found this like uh Deranged records or whatever Found that like record label and then it just showed all these like swedish bands And so that's where it went hard for me. Wow. Yeah, I didn't get into like the american stuff until like later Yeah, what are the ideas pretty good right? Yeah, it's really good. It's really good We're here with Joe from the chicago metro. He's gonna show us around this spooky haunted venue And all the ghosts and the ghouls and the goblins and we're gonna we're gonna show you an inside look at one of Chicago's greatest venues and this very Definitely haunted place that joe definitely believes in right? Yeah, definitely. It's a nightclub. So it's like people who come here tend to come Multiple times a month sometimes or just hang out, you know You said this Um, I'm pretty sure you said here it is People who come here tend to come multiple times a month sometimes Is anything unite people more than the halo? No, it's like a universal language. I watched five guys out there like Just like choppers in their head like What is the what a thing Thank you so much again for joining us awesome guys. Thank you. Thank you the best. Thank you all for watching Thank you all for listening listen to floor punch get the book Bye take care Yeah, oh shit he just left This episode is brought to you by mad vintage