#2443 - Filippo Biondi

The Joe Rogan Experience. Join my day Joe Rogan podcast my night all day. All right, sir. Fine, thank you. Thank you very much for being here. I'm really excited to talk to you. Obviously, there's been an amazing amount of interest and controversy because of your work. We should explain to everybody right off the bat what this is about. You are the man that was at the head of this research that is looking at structures that are underneath the bottom of the pyramid and incredibly controversial, very fascinating. And if it's accurate, it essentially rewrites all of human history. Yes. Thank you for this invitation. And yes, the group is composed by Corrado Malanga, which is the head of the group. The professor of chemistry at University of Pisa. Did you explain your background please, so people will understand? Yes, my background is this I am a telecommunication engineering graduate at the University. What is that word again? Telecommunication engineering. Telecommunication engineering. Telecommunication engineering. Okay. Your English is excellent, but your Italian accent, although fabulous, sometimes it's difficult to translate. Thank you very much, Joe. I'm sorry, yes, that I'm not mother tongue of English. It's still much better than my Italian. Okay, there you go. Yes, I graduated in myself at the University of Lich, South of Italy, very nice university. And it was, it has the name of a famous matematic, Italian, which is annual de Georgie. Annual de Georgie was living in the era then John Nash was living also. And they were one against the other and they were, they was both studying the 19 Hilbert problem. And John, annual de Georgie solved this problem one week before John Nash. Ah, interesting. John Nash, who from the famous movie Brilliant Mind, Russell Crowe. Yes, yeah. And so then I performed my PhD at Las Appienza in Rome, and now I'm here. And how did you get involved in this discovery? Yes. I worked on radar and synthetic operator radar for a lot of time. For the Italian military, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Which you can't really talk about. No, right. And I was involved in some research where together with the Italian research concile of Bari, always south of Italy, we was testing some special processing that were able to, to perform something special. And so this is. So this top secret research that you work on for the Italian government led you to try this stuff out, try this technology out. And this is satellite based technology, correct? Yes. And it's a radio tomography? Yes, it is something, in my personal opinion, very simple. The radar is in Staledon, Borden, on the satellite. The satellite flies in this space at a distance of 600 kilometers at 7 kilometers per second in velocity. So while it flies along the orbit, it is able to catch snapshots of the earth. The snapshots has to be focused. And this focusing procedure, let's say in the azimuth, I take it easy, in the azimuth direction, is done by sound, by the processing of sound, because it is involved at the so-called Doppler frequency. You know Joe, and you hear noises that are approaching to you. This noise will rise the frequency, because the target has a velocity, a positive velocity, with respect to you. And so the frequency is rise up. And this procedure allows us to estimate or to grab, let's say, the vibration information that is always present at the surface of the earth, in terms of evanescent waves that are present on the surface of the earth. So this vibration, which is mechanical vibration, carries inside of this the information that is located underground. And so we did this. And was it a specific idea, specifically, to look under the pyramids, or was it something that was discovered accidentally? Okay, yes. Once we discovered this method, it was a coincidence that I knew Corrado Malanga. And at the time, I speak, we are in 2018, he was studying the pyramids. And so we were talking about something that, if there was some methods able to scan inside the pyramids, because he needed some information to conclude the research that he was doing. And so I proposed him to use my technique, and we started to work together. And so we focused it in the time on the pyramids. And when was this, when was the first scans? Yes, in 2019. In 2019. And when you got the data back, did you immediately get the data that you're showing today, where you see the columns with the coils around it? Okay. And let's say that this research can be divided by two. The first one, 1.0, we were concentrating research on the Kunumkuph pyramid, the Keops pyramid, to watch inside the pyramid. And so we have the tailed, tailored, our processing to watch only inside the pyramids, because that pyramid, only one pyramid. And so we were doing that kind of research. Then once we discovered things in 2020, we published the peer review paper, and we gave public the results that we found inside the Kunumkuph pyramid. We decided to expand our research in all the Giza plateau. Can I, I saw there, the, when you looked in, so we know quite a bit about the Kunuph pyramid, and what the chambers are inside of it. Did this technology accurately describe the pyramid itself and the insides of it, the chambers that we know exist? Absolutely, yes. Because we have detected this multilayer structure that is inside the Kunumkuph pyramid, the so-called Z, we have discovered it very well from the space, and it is located inside. And also we discovered it and the new, we know we discovered it, we, we, we, we gave an image also of the other known structures like the Grand Gallery. The Grand Gallery. And then also the Queen's chamber and the King's chamber also. And accurate, inter-size dimension. And also position and location. Okay. So when did you decide to focus below the pyramid? Yes. We decided to focus below the pyramid because we, we were, our intention was to expand our research. And then also thanks to the third component of the research group, which is Armando May, he suggests us to expand our research and scan all the Giza Plateau. And so what, what date was it that you discovered these immense columns with the coils around it and all those structures that are underneath the pyramid? In the second part of our research, we started focusing our scans on the cover pyramid and like Kunumkuph. And then we adjust our algorithms to go deeper. And so when we did this very nice things began to, to appear on our results. Well, what did you feel when you first saw those images that do appear to be immense columns? I believe they're the diameter's 20 meters. 20 minutes. So they're huge enormous columns. Yes. What, what went through your mind? Skepticism. Skepticism. I told for the also, Corrado was with me because we had those results in our desk without this collage-oranating for six months. Because my opinion was that was not real. I was thinking that maybe it was noise or some artifacts due by our processing procedures. Did you pause at all that they were so uniform that these columns were in very specific places and that they lined up? There was a uniform gap in between them? Yes. And why would this collage all this? Because we started to use also other satellites. And once we, at the beginning, we were using only the Italian satellite system that is, it is Cosmos-Chimed and Cosmos-Chimed Second Generation. It's very good, very precise. But we wanted to shift our research using also other satellites because, Joe, in research, when we have diversity, diversity is a good thing because it confirms other things that we were searching, we were searching confirmation. So once we had the same results, while we were, we was using American satellites called the Capella Space and also other satellites, having always the same results. We decided to disclose. How many different scans have been done on this area? To more than 200. More than 200? And all with uniform results? Yes. Wow. Yes. There's a lot of resistance to this. And it's from the usual characters. And it's from people that I would characterize as gatekeepers of archaeological information. And unfortunately, they are not willing to approach this with an open mind. And you see this skepticism. It just seems to me to be confirmation bias. They want this to not be true, regardless of the sheer number of scans and the uniformity of the results of these scans. And also the fact that this stuff has been proven to work on other things. Like, didn't you guys use this exact technology to get the exact dimensions of a particle collider that you have? Yes. We have a particle collider where I have born in Laquila, which is located in the center of Italy. There is a huge mountain called Granzassio, the Granzassio of Italy, which is a maximum altitude of about 3000 meters for being precise to 993 meters. And so, there is a tunnel, very long tunnel, about 11-12 kilometers. And in the core of this mountain, there is a particle collider. There is a laboratory, let's say like that. And this technology got the exact dimensions of this particle collider that's deep in this mountain. Yes. It's 1.4 kilometers. We respect it at the top. Wow. Yeah. Okay. So we know it's accurate. We know it works. What do you think it is? I mean, other than what I said, it's gatekeepers of archaeological information. It's people that don't want to admit that there's perhaps quite a bit bigger mystery than just the pyramids themselves. What do you think it is that is causing this resistance? Personally, it's true. We found a lot of resistance. Yes, it's true. But personally, I don't know why. I can say something regarding to my personal opinion. Jo, it is something that maybe is too big to huge, too be disclosored like that today. I don't know why. It's confusing to me because it's essentially paradigm. Parodym, shadowing. Because the pyramids themselves are absolutely spectacular. The great pyramid is 2,300,000 stones. The alignment is the perfect true north, south, east and west. It's a really incredible accomplishment, whoever built it and when they built it. It's just this undeniably fascinating that this was done at the very least 2,500 BC, probably even older than that. We really don't know. But that alone is spectacular. But then when you add the findings that you have, it just makes everybody go, we don't know anything. We really don't. We know that these things exist, but their purpose has always been speculative. The speculation was that it is some sort of a tomb. But that doesn't make any sense because there's no hieroglyphs inside of it. It doesn't seem like a tomb. I'm sure you're aware of Christopher Dunn's works. He's an engineer and he said it appears that this thing is some sort of a mechanical thing and that it's probably designed to generate some kind of power. Yes, in this context I have spoke a lot with Christopher Dunn. I like a lot his theory and it makes sense. So this discovers matches a lot with his and also to other scientists that make recast the effective purpose of the pyramid not to be tombs. Today we are sure of one thing that the pyramids are not tombs. What is truly spectacular is that if this data is accurate, those immense structures that have baffled mankind forever are just the tip of the iceberg. That's just the top. Underneath it you have these immense structures that we have not yet fully explored but you have data that shows that let's look at the images. Let's pull up some of the images so people can see what we're talking about. Because once you see it, your mind just goes, okay, what are we even talking about? What was this civilization? When did it exist? And what kind of technology would allow them to not just construct the pyramids, which is absolutely baffling. But if this structure that is underneath the pyramids is accurately described by your work, we're looking at something that is going to have to change our entire perspective on the history of humanity. Yes, I agree with you, Joe, because what we found, it is something that has been confirmed by our measurements. And at the moment, I suppose that our measurements are the only data that we have because there are other data. So what we are observing? We are observing principally vertical structures. This vertical structure has a pattern, a regular pattern. And this regular pattern is constituted by a so-called spiral nature. I found this. So what are we looking at here? These are... Yes, that is the Caffe-Repiramid. And you see, Joe, at the top of the tomography, the tomography is on the X, so the horizontal dimension, we have the space, okay? Space, just the range. And on the vertical, we have the depth. We have the pyramid, you see? You see the pyramid on the top. And while you go down, you are observing the structures that are going down and look, you have the spiral nature of the structures. Okay, this is not the clearest image that I've seen. So let me see some other images. Because this is just one, right? I know that's what this is from his presentation, and I didn't know where to get the best information from it. Okay, pack up one. So go, go, okay, again. We have a lot of images here that is requesting all the... there is a tree that we have done together. So the images that are going around online, that people have seen, are these 3D replicas? How much do you get about the web? Okay, some of the images online are recreations of what is observed and what you believe this could look like underneath, correct? We have performant measurements, and they are sound measurements that are, that has been picked up from the surface of the earth by satellites. So they are very precise, and they are coherent. It coherent, it means that contains a lot of information. So it is characterized to have high entropy. And so when we perform a so-called tomographic inversion, we can see what there is underneath. Okay, so this is a recreation of what you believe it looks like. Yes. And how are you getting that from the image that's below that? Okay. So the image is just one aspect of the data, correct? Yes. The image? This. Yes. The SETs. Okay, here we are observing inside the Caffer Pyramid, and inside the Caffer Pyramid, we are observing those structures there. Those are inside the Caffer Pyramid. And the image above. Yes. That is an artist's recreation of what you think it looks like. Yes. Now how did you make that determination that that's what it looks like? Okay. The 3D model has been, has been, a retrieved, not observing just all in one result, but also observing a lot of results. So putting on a table all the results that we have, we were able to retrieve, so to facilitate people to read our measurements. Okay. So observing the results, we were able to determine the spirals and the structures that are located, starting from the base of the Caffer Pyramid going down. I've seen other images of scans that are more convincing than the one that's below. So let's see if we can find some of those. What else do you have here? Yes, these are all images that are related to the first. So this is just an article that's in the news. I don't even know when you're here. Where's a good place to get the best versions of these images? Like that right there. Okay. What is this? Here we are watching a wide area of our tomography. And we see the structures that are going down. Yes, this is much clearer. Yes, okay. And below the structure, at the end of the structures, there are huge chambers, but they are really huge, approximately having a width and length and height of 80 meters. So 80 meter structures that are below all of this. So almost the size of a football field below all this, that is some sort of a chamber. And see if you can find some other images, Jamie. So the coils, how did you determine that there was coils? Is it just because of the gaps that you see in the imagery that they come in the uniform? Yes, that's the other. I have two or three slides on my presentation where we find the coils. Okay, let's see if we find those. Yes. You know, if you go down, please. Yeah, wait a minute. Okay, here. Okay, here we can observe a regular pattern, so not coils. In we go down, please. Okay, regular pattern and the coils are beginning to be seen, on the third image. Here, regular pattern, go down, please. And here, this is in my personal opinion, the fourth image from the left to the right, the fifth image, one, two, three, four, the fourth image, I'm sorry, where you have a core at the center of the coil, at the center of the structure, and then we have something that spirals down. So was anybody speculated about what this could possibly be? Like what these coils are? Yes, I spoke with two independent, let's say with some independent researchers, and especially with Christopher Dunn. And also, I spoke also with Jeffrey that he's considering also the Gisappower Plan like a chemical reactor, or something like that. So we have, on one side, scientists that say, okay, can be something related to electricity. Or we have something related to chemicals, or other things. In my personal opinion, me, I can see anything, I can say anything, because I just measured what there is there. So it is not my job to do this, my job is, okay, here we have the measurements, and now we have to see what there is inside. In my personal opinion, this is the right time to say, okay, let's go there and see what there is. Let's start digging. Yes. Yeah, pop some more images, please, Jeremy. Yes, this is very important, if you want, I can tell you this. Yes, boss. Okay, because it is the very important research project that I am working now, and it is something that, if it could be possible, we can go there, and without digging anything, we can go below. Why? Because belonging between the springs and the calf pyramid, there are some shafts, and there are the photos of the shafts, where we can go in situ, and we can physically go there, and watch those shafts. Currently, the shafts are blockade by debris, and there is also rubbish inside. So, I performed a lot of scans at those shafts, and you see, Joe, the shafts goes down, down, down, down, and they reach chambers, below. And that is the doppler tomography readings? Yes. So the shafts go down, how far do they go down? Yes, they go down approximately 600 meters. Yes. So 600 meters down, and then they reach a chamber. Yes. What is the conventional explanation for these shafts? Is there one? Like, what is the current archaeologist? What is academia? What do they think these things are? Leave that right there for us. Yes. Yes, this is the complete 3D model that Mien Corrado did, and so to observe all these structures that we have found, evaluating the tomographies that we have done on the Gisau Plateau. So, it's not just under the Great Pyramid, it's under all three pyramids. And also the Sphinx. And also the Sphinx. Yes. And they all seem to go... Do they go down to a uniform depth? We found at the moment the same depth. Yes. And they all have chambers at the bottom of the wall? Yes, absolutely. Yes. And that's the... In my basketball binon, the next thing that we are dealing... At the end of the structures of these tubes that are going down, there are huge chambers. How huge? As I told you before, 80 meters times 80 meters and times 80 meters of height. And that's uniform underneath all the pyramids? Yes. Is the same dimensions? Yes. Wow. When you look at it like this, when you see your 3D recreation of the site, it's stunning. Yeah. Because it just makes you think, what is this? I mean, I can understand the skepticism. And I can understand the resistance to this that modern academics have. Because this throws a giant monkey wrench into everything. This makes everything we know about that area thrown into question. Because if this is true, like I said, this rewrite history. Because you're dealing with an advanced civilization that is demonstrably more advanced than us. Yes, because they were able to build very precise things, but not at the surface of the earth below. Well, they even built a lot of precise things that confuse us. Like one of the things that Christopher Dunn gave me is this. It's the recreation of the vase. Of one of the many vases that they have. That is accurate in its, the way it was made down to, God, what was the number? A thousandth of a human hair or something crazy like that? Like much less than a human hair. In the diameter, in the uniformity of it, in the fact that it was carved that it's this incredibly hard stone at a time where there was no metal alloys. They supposedly had copper tools. No one understands it. No one knows how they did it. And it has handles on it. So it couldn't even been turned on a lathe. Yes, and also if we go inside the pyramids, inside and also outside the pyramids, we can observe that the measurements are very precise. The chambers are constituted by flat walls. We don't have inscriptions. And the dimensions are all related to the constants, to the major constants of the universe. Right. They're all aligned to the constellations. There's a lot of very strange calculations that they were able to make. Like pathways where the sun during the solar equinox passes right through. It's a fascinating place. But when you started acquiring this data and you started accumulating it and then started going over it with experts, what did that feel like to you? When you're realizing, oh, this is real. Yes. It was something that was very nice for me because... When we... The thing was, I was saying, always to go, go, go, go, go, go. Shell with disclosure, this or not. I think for now or not. For now or not. But then the results were always the same. So we decided to disclose this. How long did you sit on it before you decided to disclose it? One year. One year. How conflicted were you? You must have been walking around like I have the biggest secret on Earth. Yes. How weird was that? Oh, you have to pass on. That's crazy. That's crazy. Two people having one of the biggest secrets on Earth. That's backed by data. I mean, it's not even like someone told you something. Like you have extraordinary data due to fascinating modern technology that indicates that there's these paradigm shifting structures. Yeah. And I tell you, Joe, I would like to go there and see what there is in person. Yes. Because it's now time, I think. Is there resistance from Egypt and the people that are in control of that area or are they fascinated by it? I tell you, Joe, I didn't find a lot of resistance. I found a lot of resistance in the internet. Yes. A lot of the banking, a lot of people that know is not true. A lot of people that were continuing to say, no, radar can penetrate the Earth for one kilometer. And they didn't know or they purposely not saying this that we are not penetrating anything because we are just grabbing the entropy that is on the surface of the Earth. And with that information, we are retrying tomography. It's something new that I invented, but it works. Because we have benchmarks that demonstrates the effectiveness of the method. And this is 100%. And there's also been some criticism that the patents have expired, but that's because you have new patents on better stuff. Yes. Now, Joe, I am under NDA. So we just might think I can say something about the second patent because just yesterday we filed the patent in the USA. Nice. Yes. Wow. Have any academics reached out to you in support that are interested in this? And would you like to explore this further? Yes. Yes. I tell you this. There are companies related to mining and crude oil extraction, and then also water. Joe, today we are living a particular time because water is very important. We are in a so-called water emergency in all the world. So for me, the first thing that we have to do is to scan the earth and to fetch, to find, to try and find other, let's say, opportunity to extract not salty water, because it is very important. So you'll be using this technology for that as well? We, for now not, but I'm thinking to do it. Well, it makes sense. I mean, if you can detect this, it should be able to detect that as well. And that would be an even, and also if it's accurate, that will also help garner support for this exploration of whatever is under there. And so we are receiving a lot of calls from companies that want to work with me. And so let's see what we can do. And so this is all companies that have reached out after you release the results underneath the pyramids? The most of them are calling me recently. Right, so they've heard about it. They've heard about it. Well, that's capitalism, right? They say, oh, we can make money off of this. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's good. It gets people interested. It gets people involved in this. And so we have also a philanthropic project. We are opening a foundation in Malta. We are realizing it in two weeks. And we will have a foundation in Malta. And with that foundation, we can operate also philanthropically for the Gisapplato and other and other ancient legalities that are located in all the world. We have a plan to scan everything. Really? What is next? Maybe we can see Pomapunko or other science. Yeah. Go back to the tap paper. Yes. Have you looked at the labyrinths underneath the ones that were described by Herodotus, that Ben Van Kirkwick has been talking about on his uncharted X channel, where there is a huge atrium with a 40 meter metallic object that's a shape of a tick-tax. Yes, they ask me to do it, and we will do it. You have to do that. I tell you, Joe, the processing is very nice, but it requires a lot of calculations. So it is time consuming. So at the moment, we have some computers that are dedicated on Gisapplato and other projects that we are doing. And in the future, maybe we will have other machines that can work to do other things. But we will do it. We need time. But we will do it. Now, are you absolutely convinced that this data is accurate or have any of the criticisms of any of the people that are trying to debunk it, has any of that resonated with you and ranked true? Is there any validity to any of the criticisms? A radar is only precise. The nice thing that has a radar is the precision. And especially from space. Because space is a very silent environment. You don't have noise, something. The platform is very stable. So when you transmit electromagnetic waves, they return back with absolutely precision. And it's recreated over and over again in these 200 plus scans that you've done with various different satellites. Correct. Not just one, so that one could have errors. So you're convinced? I'm convinced. 100% because I invented the method. Yes, I know. But I tell you that I'm happy if somebody can replicate things. So if other research groups can replicate the things that I'm showing, I'm happy. Well, you got there first. Yes, so, no matter what. I mean, if this is correct, you will go down in history as one of the most important figures in archaeology. Because if you are... You're welcome, but it's just fact. If what you're saying is true, we're just recently discovering this in the 21st century. I mean, that's absolutely mind-bending. Thank you for this. Yes, I am happy for being in this. But not only me, other people helping me to do my work. Oh, of course. Of course, a lot of people. And in principle, my family. Yeah. These structures and this whole area, if this turns out to be something that you don't find just at the Giza Plateau, but around other parts of Egypt, I mean, there's always been a lot of speculation as to whether or not a civilization existed in Sub-Saharan Africa, an advanced civilization that is in the area that is not now sand. You could probably do that same sort of research there as well. Yes, I agree with this. And we will do it. Yes. Wow. What is life like for you now having this exposed and now, you know, having this on the internet and all of this speculation and all this excitement? What has happened like for you? Yes. I am not very used on all this exposure on the internet. It is something that I have to get used of this. Yes. My life is simple. I live in Italy. But now I repeat this, it is time to go ahead and go on the Giza Plateau and in person, I wish to see the effective structure, how they are and the purpose of all the Plateau. What it is. And is there plans to do that in person to do some sort of excavation? Yes. I wrote a project proposal, which is research and also not research, a proposal. And is now, we are, our intention is to submit this proposal at the Egyptian authorities. If you want I can explain you this proposal. Please. We are involving University of Ferrara, principal scientist, Professor Esavacaro, Italian professor in Giza Geologist. And other, and other governmental institutions that are very clever to do scans in Ciduscanza. So we are not using my technique. We use the state of the art technique that it is recognized by science today. And our intention is to concentrate the efforts on those shafts that I showed you that we have seen, because we are not 99% convinced that or sure that those are natural entrants into the structures that are below. Because we have the vertigas structures and the use on the tomographies you have also horizontal connections. So there are corridors? Yes. And how large are these corridors? About, they are tall, about 3 meters tall. Okay. So about 9 feet tall? Yes. Yes. That we, using these corridors, will arrive directly inside the coils that we are visualizing before. So there's passages and shafts and these enormous ways that they can go back and forth in between these various structures? So we are thinking that we have to do now is to clean those shafts. We have to do cleaning, because they are sand and debris. And is there a timeline and when you would like to start cleaning these shafts and start doing this kind of stuff? Yes. It depends when we submit the project. The project is ready. I know people that are living in Egypt that when we are ready we can submit the project proposal. Then we are ready when the government, if approved the project, we can start. Now, imagine that something like this, something at this scale would require enormous funding. And how do you hope to acquire that? We can make, we can say people that this work is not for me, but for humans. And so people, we ask people to help us in getting money to perform the work. To ask people. Have you reached out to any like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk type people that have tons of money that might be interested in doing something like this? I don't know them. Joe. You don't know them? No. But maybe... It's a big ask. Yes. It's a big ask. You know asking. It's a big ask. If you billion dollars to go dig around into the pyramids, how much money do you think it costs to do this? We have to do... We did an estimation of an estimation about, I don't know, for maybe belonging for 20 millions or more. 20 million dollars. Yes. And this is just to clean the shaft and go underneath it. And because why so much money? Because we are... Our intention is to work safety. I don't want that people has to go down the shaft and work. We will... We want to use drone-esque robots to make something automatically and so go down by using machines. Not humans. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And that way you can get accurate real-time videos. Yes. Yes. Wow. With cameras and... It will be something I am thinking about this. Maybe it's one of the most ancient, megalitic structure that we are dealing now can be recovered by the most modern technology that we have now today. And so we can recover it modern and unseen together. But you have been giving this presentation now and even going around. What has that been like? What is the reception of it been like? Yes. A moderate positive reception. Moderate positive. So people that are like, if this is true, it's amazing, but you have to show me more. Yes. Right. I tell you, in this project proposal, I am out. You're out. Yes. And other than that, University of Ferrara, that is one of the most important university in Italy, can stay there and manage all the work is better. Right. And that amount. Right. You showed them what's there. You showed them the technology. Yes. Now, good luck. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you and good luck. So tell me about this presentation. So how do you set this up? I know you brought some of the slides of this presentation. Tell me how you set this up. How you? How you set it up. So how you explain it to these, when you have these semi-scapital scientists that are sitting down there, and you're going to tell them, I'm about to rewrite human history. How do you set this up? Oh, they were, they were listening me very well and they asking me things about how they, everyone, the first thing that they ask me is how it works. And that's good. And so I slowly explain them how it works and how I arrived to make this presentation. So to have our results and so on. And they, they, they, some of them is capitalists, someone a bit less. Which is what you want. Yes. Yes. You want healthy debate about this kind of stuff. Healthy debate. And the way you find out what the truth is. Yes. Only having a healthy debate, we can find what is the truth. I don't want to polarize people for a minimum. It's not my job, no. Well, not only that, it's not, you're just discovering something. Yes. This is something that's there. And for people to just put on a skeptical lens and just not look at it at all, it's crazy. Yes. Like if you're skeptical, we should probably explore it and if you're wrong, okay. Now we know it's not true. But if it is true, it's a crime to not investigate this. To not investigate. Yes. To not investigate. Yes. And I tell you, the solution to, we don't, we don't have to dig holes ruin the what is now present in that. No, we have to only clean enough. We have to only clean. And we have to use what there is made, it's for us because those shafts, they are for us, they are calling us. Our rights are to clean them and see what there is. And go down and explore them personally. Which seems like if these shafts exist at a loan and they are at that depth that you describe and they are the dimensions you describe, it really does lend credence to what you're saying. Yeah. Because it seems like there's a purpose for those things and if they do go down to the area where all these structures are. It seems like there's something there. In my personal opinion, they were built for the slim and if you see the, the four goals. They're access points, probably. Yes, they are access points. They are, they were made probably to, you know, Joe, when you go deep below the earth, the temperature rises a lot. So there is a certain ratio of where the temperature rises proportional to the depth that you are going. So the shafts are made purposely to take the, the, the function is to transport air, light and so cool what there is inside. Hmm. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. And also access. Show me some other, other slides and other things that are in your presentation so you can get a more comprehensive understanding of what we're looking at. Yeah. I don't know. Very should I go? Okay. Yes. This is the Z. This is Mario Pinkerle. Mario Pinkerle was a researcher that he died on 2011 at 12. And he was studying the Z, which is the multilayer monument. Let's call it a monument, but it's not a monument because it has a certain and very precise function that is inside the pyramid. This is the, this is the outlined image in the lower left hand corner. Yeah. That's the tomography that we, that we have retrieved. Look, it's very precise. Right. And it's exactly like what it is. That's like in the actual image. What is that thing? What is the, what do you think the function of that thing is? Yes. The function is, is, is this? It is, you, you see on the top of the structure there is something like a cap. Yes. Like a cap. That cap is, has a precise function. It's to attract the vibration. Okay? It's an antenna in the, in the vibration domain. Okay? And antenna and the vibration domain. Yes. So, I'm going to attract the, the energy in terms of mechanical vibration and propagates them below. There are other slides, please. Okay. Here I did a simulation. Now I'm sorry because I don't have the video because this is a PDF, but I, I, I, uh, reproduce it. The function of the Z on the computer. Okay. Okay. And look, on the right side, we have all the vibrations that interacts one to each other to each layer. Look. And you can see that each layer, look how strange it is. Each layer on the top of each layer, it is a scatter. Look. Okay. On the top of each layer. And the bottom is very flat, it's flat. So what is that? It is something related to filter. It is a, it is a low pass filter. I made, made by stones. Very crazy. It is. That's a low pass filter. A low pass filter. Yes. What exactly is a low pass filter? Yes. A low pass filter is a filter that allows, that allows the transmission only of certain frequencies and reject other frequencies. So it is a stabilizer, frequency stabilizer, and the low pass or a certain low value of frequency. Okay. Right. And so this aligns with Christopher Dunn's theory. Yeah. That there was something underneath the pyramid that there was a chamber that was, they were using to generate vibration. Yes. And that vibration would go through the entire structure. Yes. So the last layer, look, transmits directly inside the, the, the so-called sarcophagus. That's not the sarcophagus. There. And so what do you think that's what they call sarcophagus? This immense granite box. Yes. Yes. The granite box. Yes. And inside the granite box was done to contain a man, a body. And that vibration, look, collapses at the center of the granite box where the man was lying down. So do you think there was actually a man inside there? So a person would lay in that box. Yes. And what happened to them? I don't know. Whoa. So I don't know. That's a simulation that I did about that. I understand. So you don't think it's for a dead body. You think it's for a live body. Yes. And so a person would lay there and have some probably incredibly profound experience with whatever... Probably, yes. What do you think it was? If you just wanted to get crazy and put on the tinfoil hat and speculate, what do you think it was? I mean, what would happen to a person if they encountered this kind of vibration, these kind of frequencies in this resonating granite box? I can say something that is not scientific recognize. Yeah, that's what I want. Maybe... Keep it up, dude. What do you think? Maybe that person was ready to have an out of the body experience, induced. Like a gateway. A gateway to the spirit world. Look, on the top you have the antenna. The antenna is accepting all the vibrations that transmits all the signal below directly inside the granite box. It's very exciting. And what do you think was generating these vibrations? Ah, yes. The natural vibration of the earth and also some... Let's say the flowing of water, also the flowing of water, so it would generate the vibrations. So flowing of water... There was also shafts that were... This is part of Christopher Dunn's theory. These shafts that reached the outside of space that he thinks were attracting space radiation. Can be. Yeah, there's another possibility. Yes, another possibility. He also had a theory that perhaps the lower chamber that's below the pyramid itself, that there was some mechanical device inside of there that was generating vibration. For this, can be, yes, can be. So we don't boom through the entire structure. And this is creating this vibration. That's the antenna. You've got this filter through it and then someone is laying in this sarcophagus, tripping balls. Yes. Whoa. That's crazy. That's crazy. Do you imagine this entire structure was just built so that someone could have some sort of a bizarre out-of-body experience or psychedelic gateway experience? I think that's true. I think it's psychedelic Disney World. I do. I seriously... I had that epiphany like two months ago. Really? Okay. I don't want to explain it, but you... I was looking at a picture of me when I was a kid at a Cedar Point, which is like roller coaster place. I was just thinking of how much effort we put in to making kids or young adults have a wild experience that is only... In reference, you only understand it if you live there. If you found Disney World now in a thousand years, you'd be like, what the fuck? They worship mice. The fuck are you talking about? This is insane. It looks like pictures of mice everywhere. That's so true. But you'd see that giant castle and there's rides everywhere and you would have no idea what the experience of that ride would have been like... Right. ...or the T-Cups. It's nonsense. It's fun for kids, but also would make them feel... Amazing. But also adding what this vibration stuff does and sound and music and all these other things. You could put them all together and be like, you could feel like a god. Yeah. If lightning hit the thing, you'd be like, what the... I don't know. I just had that wild idea one day. It's an interesting idea because you think people have always been like, you know, they've been fascinated by achieving novel experiences. And what more novel experience than a 2,300,000 stone structure that's perfectly aligned to True North, South, East and West, aligns to the stars of Orion's belt, the lion's side of stone box and the vibrations hit you and you're in that box. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Not that I'll go out. Who knows what it does to the body and the mind because we know that the mind is capable of producing endogenous psychedelic chemicals. We also know that people have a very profound reaction to frequencies. That's why sound hits us so hard and we love music and just vibration itself and this sound weapon that they just recently used in Venezuela, supposedly to knock out all Maduro's troops. What could this thing have been? Yes, I am relatively sure that the principal actor of everything can be water, vibrations, so sound, sound. But we are dealing now to the third thing. So the exact report pose of this. It can be also more than one, more than one, a scope of the pyramids. The pyramids intended to be, now I am 100 percent convinced that the pyramids can be considered the type of the iceberg of something very huge that is composed by things that are below the earth and the pyramids that are up at the surface of the earth. So what do you think the reason for the design of the pyramid in that specific geometric shape? Yes, probably because they have to resonate with the universe. The universe, the universe, Joe, it is not complicated, it's simple. Because the universe is constituted by things, the matter, the particles, the light, yes. And everything is regulated by some constants. There are the constants. So the speed of the light, see, three times ten to the eight kilometers per second, then you have, so the light, so you have the electric constants, the magnetic constants that are that arranges very well the low of the universe. So it is important that something that has to be well related to the place that we live to the universe has to contain very precisely the dimensions of the constants of the universe. And that's what you think the pyramid did? Persona, yes. Persona, yes. How old do you think they are? Yes, on the, sorry, the data earlier starts with, I start speaking Italian. No, it's okay, it's okay. The thing that we can say for certainly is that the pyramids are older than the dates that are written on the typical history books. So to see something that, to say something very precisely, we have to go back in time into the ZapTepi. So there's more than 36,000 years ago, something happened to the earth. So the ZapTepi began and in a time belonging the ZapTepi and the Great Flood were built the pyramids. So like what I'm sending you something, Jamie, that's very interesting. So do you have an estimation? Like what is your personal belief? Yes. We can't say exactly the year. So ZapTepi, let's explain to people what that is, sometimes forget. ZapTepi is the thing that I described as ahihoas and he dismissed it. But they, they, I've never heard of this. It's an ancient king's list. And it's a list of Pharaohs that goes back past 30,000 years. And it's very inconvenient for modern academics. And so they like to portray it as myth. And then when it gets to the age of historically accurate Pharaohs that we know of, Kufu and Kaffrey, then they allow those hieroglyphs. But when you get all the way back to the 30,000 years ago, they like to say that that's just mythology. Yes, it's true. But it is a matter of fact that ZapTepi, we have, we have also other, other, other, ancient, megalithics that are very old, recognized very old. So we have to deal with that. Well, go back to Tepi, it was a big problem. So more than 11,000 years old for sure. Yeah. And there is a, we saw, here it is. This is something that I actually just talked to Graham Hancock about. This is Stella as a linestone inscription discovered in 1858 near the great pyramid complex of Giza in the text describes a Pharaoh Kufu who ruled from 2589 to 2566 BC, visiting the site and ordering restorations to existing structures, including a temple associated with the goddess Isis. The Stella refers to Isis as the mistress of the pyramid, a title that has raised questions about whether parts of the Giza plateau were already considered sacred before Kufu's And although most Egyptologists date the Stella itself to the 26th dynasty, more than 2,000 years after Kufu, its wording continues to draw attention because it betrays the Pharaoh as a restore rather than the original builder. Whether inscription provides older traditional reflects later religious interpretation remains debated. But if this is accurate, this describes Kufu as restoring the pyramids. Now this exists throughout history, the temple of Tenochitlan, where the Aztecs had, when they described it, they described it as the place where the gods were born. And they found it. Like people think the Aztecs made the pyramids, they did not. There was some sort of a previous civilization that lived in Mexico prior to the people that call themselves the Aztecs or what we call the Aztecs. So there's a long standing history of people repurposing existing structures and claiming them as their own. And if this Stella is accurate, and this was also in fingerprints of the gods, Graham Hancock's book. So I sent us to Graham and his reaction was pretty interesting. What he said to me was that there's a strong suggestion that the Kufu pyramid might have been one of the three subsidiary structures alongside the great pyramids Eastern flank. And all that looked like damaging evidence against the orthodox chronology of ancient Egypt. It also challenged the consensus view that the Giza pyramids had been built as tombs and only as tombs. However, rather than investigating the statements from the Stella, the Egypt childiffs, they chose to devalue them. And his quotes, they chose to say, ah, that's inconvenient. But if they are describing it that way, that seems like this is a long standing tradition of people finding things that exist. There is clearly, each in Egypt itself, Dynastic Egypt is a very complex society, very complex and very advanced society, even if they didn't build that stuff. But it seems like they're saying the restore. Yes, yes. I agree with you, Joe. I tell you, there are some facts that we have to observe because I am used to observe before I say something, I have to observe. So I'm not, I say, an expert of pyramids because I am an engineer. I work on satellites, I am space, engineer, I'm not an Egyptologist like that. But I can observe. In inside the pyramids, they found a lot of salt that were attached on the world. So they find salt, why there is, why there was salt there. First, second. They shafts that we are dealing now if we want to clean the shafts, why there is debris, why they are tupped. So if the great flood is an historical parameter recognized, so let's say 11,000 to 1,000 years ago, let's say something like that, I don't remember precisely. The Zeptepi, which is not recognized, is 36,000 in the past. So between the Zeptepi and the great flood, we can locate the pyramids and the springs. HSBC Wealth today, HSBC UK opening up a world of opportunity, HSBC UK current account holders only. Wow, so the great flood we're looking at 11,000 plus years ago, Zeptepi looking at 30,000 plus years ago. Yes, we can say I'm an engineer, I put myself in the center between 36,000 and 11,000. See if you can find some images of salt in the great pyramids, because it is quite fascinating. And if there was some sort of a massive rise of sea and massive flooding, which is depicted in every single ancient religion, from Epic of Gilgamesh to the Hopi talk about it, it's like almost all cultures have a story. Obviously no one in the ark and the flood in the Bible, but this salt. Joe, two months ago I went for the first time to visit the pyramids and I found salt on the wall. There is still salt. And you think that salt is probably because of water of the sea. Wow. Yes. I forgot to bring it to you. Not just that, but there's so much salt that there's still salt there 11,000 years later, which is really extraordinary. And so you think that that salt is because the entire area was flooded, and that's the reason why the shafts were flooded and filled with debris. Yes. Right. Topped off with debris, because everything just flooded into there. And then when the sea receded, so many years later, you left with salt everywhere. And that's why the reason that I don't want that people go to work inside the shaft because they're dangerous. Can collapse the debris, can collapse because you can have bubble of air and it's always dangerous. Right. Robots has to go. Right. Well, it makes more sense. Robots safer and that's also what you do. So everything is connected, the great flood that's up to Epic and the pyramids. Wow. And then convinced that, I am convinced that maybe 18,000 or something like that, between 18,000 and 20,000. Well, what's crazy is that I mean, that pushes back that ancient civilization by 14,000 years, which is at least 14,000 years. I mean, John Anthony West thought maybe 30,000 plus years to the construction of those banks. That's what he thought. And when Robert Schock from Boston University, the geologist that started doing work on the pyramid and then, excuse me, the temple of the finks. The speaks, yeah. And the water erosion, he's like, this is vertical. Yes, it's vertical fissures that come from thousands of years of rainfall. And the last time there was like significant rainfall in the Nile Valley, like that was 9,000 years ago. So you're dealing with thousands of years before that of rain to achieve that kind of erosion. Yes. And this necessary now, when that's why this research and this activity that hope we will do, it is very important. Yeah. Because this, it is able to rewrite everything. It really rewrites everything. Imagine if you could get something from down in those shafts and those corridors, something that you could date. Yeah. And you get a date back of 26,000 BC. You go, what? You know what I mean, this is, it's not outside of the realm of possibility. That's what's so crazy about this. It just really does seem like we are getting more and more evidence that things are far older than conventional wisdom. The conventional, the conventional narrative that's taught in schools. Yes, I agree. I agree because as I told you before, this is time. This is the time to see effective what. Which is the exact date of construction, who made them and how they made them. But how could we figure out how they made it? That's the crazy thing, right? Because we don't even understand the technology they used to cut them. Yeah. We don't know what they had. And that's the other thing. If you're dealing with something that's 20,000 plus years old, 15,000 years old, what's going to be left? All the metals gone, everything is eroded, the earth is reclaimed, most things. Really, the thing that you have left is stone, which is pretty crazy. Yeah. And if we see the rooms, all the structures that are currently inside, let's say, the Keop spirum, which I like a lot, the gran gallery is very nice, fascinating. They have a precision, incredible precision. All those big, huge stones that is composed in the gran gallery is very exciting. I like it a lot. Did you have any sort of fascination about the pyramids before this? Joe, I remember when I was young, very young, I used to... I had... It... How you say? I had a personal computer, very old one. And I was always playing, always on something that... And there was the pyramids. They were all the pyramids. And in that meantime, I realized that I like the pyramids. And so, it was very young. So, the personal computer, just researching the pyramids, is that what it was? Yes, just looking at pictures and images. Yes, yes. On the pyramids. So you always were fascinating, but did you have an understanding or even... Any questions about the timeline of civilization before this? No, never. So it only happened within the last few years. Yes. I began working... So, being interested in pyramids, starting from 2018. So it was right after you started doing this research. And you started saying, okay, what is this? Yeah. And so, when you started to research on something that... That is our history, our past, our origins, because our origins are there. So we have to fetch, we have to find what there is there. Because it is important that... It is important to research our origin, because in this meantime, humanity does not know... We don't know who we are. We don't know our origins. We don't know anything of who we are. And most of the answers can be found in the studying the pyramids. Well, it certainly seems to be the greatest accomplishment that ancient humans had ever created. Yes. And if these humans were far more ancient than we currently believe, that is really, really interesting. And it is for me a very... It is something that I have always in my mind, only to know how they did, how they cut the stones, how they have transported the stones, how they have all these things. What gave them the idea, were there any previous pyramids? It is weird, because the older you go, the more complex the structures are, and the newer ones are kind of shitty. that we show this antenna and it goes into the supposed sarcophagus and these vibrations. What are the things do you show in your presentation that are interesting? I show at the principally all the structures that are under the cuff repairment and also under each pyramid. And also I describe the method on how going below without drilling anything. And so I show at them that there are the entrances are there on our rise. Everyone can see those shafts. And so why we are not exploring them? Why they are so dirty? Why they are so without any kind of work, of renewal. I don't know why. Well, it seems like there's limited resources, first of all. It seems. Yes. And also it seems like Egypt, an entire economy is based on tourism, an immense amount of tourism because it's so fantastic. People from all over the world make a pilgrimage. I also find a method to combine, so not stopping the tourism. So it is possible to combine the work and also the tourism. So we can delimitate the area inside the area we work and outside the area safety, all the people can visit the pyramids. I'm not only that. I think it will enhance tourism. Because if this speculation proves to be fruitful and you start looking under there and you find that there is evidence to all this, it's just going to make more people want to go. Oh, yes. I agree with you. But you imagine, Joe, we will find the structures that are underneath. And maybe we can try to build a huge lift that carry people downstairs in safety always, or maybe not below for a lot, but at a certain depth. So they can also travel along the horizontal corridors, and so they go up from the shafts and they go up to the calf-repear-pear-meet and they go away from the entrance here and they go intercepting the pyramids. That would be amazing. Yes. I mean, it would just be much more tourism. Yes. And also, the all eyes would be on Egypt. I mean, it would probably be a huge boost to their economy. It would probably be a huge boost to archaeology. Yes. Because more young people would get fascinated by it, want to study it. And imagine also this, what can we find below? Down there, what can we find? This is a question that I am asking. Because if we watch the slide concerning the shaft that I want to clean, there are things inside it. I am showing that there are things located inside the chamber. Look, there is something. What is that? What are you saying? When we're talking about the shaft, where it goes all the way down to the bottom. And there's the chambers, that what you mean? That one. Yes. Right there. And that structure that is at the bottom, what's that? I don't know, what's that? Right. It's very huge. Very huge. It's at the bottom of the shaft. Look at the horizontal corridors. And so there's more horizontal corridors during the, when you traverse down into the shaft, then you intercept the other corridors. And how large are those corridors? By about three meters tall. So there's three, so there's these three meter tall shafts that go to the side, these corridors that go to the side, along the way and then also down at the very bottom. Yes. And you're convinced of this. This is all accurate data. Right. And no one's ever sent a camera down there or anything. Look. It's human, human man-made structure, like a ring on another ring. Look. It is, it is very clear. Right. If you observe the structure, those are man-made. Right. And they go deep, very deep. And you can see the rubbish that is on the bottom. All the debris. And that debris you think was a lot of it because of the flood. I am 100% sure of this. Yeah. So the pyramids or the Gisapplato, it seems to stop the functionality, the working. We don't know which kind of work were used to do, but stopped because of the great flood. So we can go back in time in 12,000 years ago. And when people, the people that don't know, if you're hearing this, like what great flood, that's just not, that's just myth. There's a thing called the Younger Drys Impact Theory. And the Younger Drys Impact Theory group that's been studying this, they now know that there was impacts to the earth that are around the 11,800 year mark. And then I believe again in the 10,000 year range, Randall Carlson is probably the best guy to talk to about that. But that they find high levels of ridium, which is very common in space and very rare on earth. But there's a layer of it. They also find these nano-diamonds that they also discovered during the first trinity explosion when they detonated the atomic bomb. They find these microscopic glass particles that are created by the intense explosion interacting with the sand. So it was called trinitite, some what's it called? But it was nuclear glass. What is that called? Trite tonight? What's it called? Something related to vitrification. Yes. So this exists all over the world. And it exists all over the world when they do a core sample at the same depth. And so this is a very strong scientific indicator of evidence that we've been hit. Yes. But another scientific indicator is the debris. Why? That is the debris there. Right. Why so much? So much. Right. Why so much? If we told Carotage the drilling of that debris inside the shaft, I don't know how deep we can go. Right. All that debris there. We don't know. Right. Which makes sense if there is a great flood that fills the pyramid with salt water. Yes. That it probably washed all that sand into that gigantic vertical shaft. Yeah. Completely makes sense. Yeah. And I tell you Joe, if we do a chemical exploration of that debris, we can find also a certain density of salt because where mixed in the past by salty water and debris and soils. Hmm. Also, you can get dirt from the very bottom. Yeah. And it gets some sort of organic material and carbon date that. And maybe you can get an understanding of like maybe when stuff was washed down to the bottom of that shaft. Very interestingly. Yes. It's possible. It can be possible. But we did that and it lines up directly with the younger dry impact theory. I mean, that would be incredible evidence. Either way, just what it is that we know that there's immense shafts. We know that they go many, many meters deep into the earth. And we know that there's these horizontal shafts along the way, these corridors along the way. Like all of it is just nuts. We saw I was looking at the osyrashaft here, the shaft. Mm-hmm. Okay, just near these other ones. When they found it, there was water down there. They had to get out. And the water is not only cold, ice cold it says. It's clean enough to be drinking water. Whoa. And I don't know that it doesn't, I see sound like it refills itself. Oh, so there's a spring down there. Well, that is also the problem with the labyrinth. So the labyrinth that they have where there's this enormous atrium and this 40 meter long metallic object that apparently is underneath there. And this is through ground penetrating radar to discover this. I don't think they know what that metal is either. I think it's a non-known metal. But they built a dam there, I believe in the 1960s, and to help the farmers and unfortunately, that flooded that whole area. So because they changed the direction of the water and built this dam, the water table rose. And that entire labyrinth is now filled with water. Yeah. But through ground penetrating radar, they've been able to get this accurate assessment of the dimensions of it. And then they go back to the descriptions of Herodotus who described it, see if you can pull that up. Herodotus described it as greater than the guise plateau itself. So these labyrinths, these corridors, these atrium, these huge passageways, underneath the great pyramid area. More complex and more spectacular than the pyramids themselves. Yes. My God. My God. Like, what was this civilization? These people living in Africa, however long ago, were so much more advanced than perhaps anybody that's ever existed, including us, just in a different way, including us, just in a different way. Just to remark the fact that there is difference between the water table, which of course is composed by drinkable water and the water that they found compounding the, the osary shaft, and the water that transported all the debris, but that water was a salty water because of the great flood. So it was water of the sea, composing the sea. Which makes sense when you see the salt that's all over the pyramids. This is Herodotus' quote. I've seen it myself and indeed words cannot describe it. Though the pyramids begger description and each one of them is a match for many great monuments built by Greeks, this maze surpasses even the pyramids. That is crazy. That's crazy that he said that. And if you're seeing any of the artistic renditions of what it looks like. No, but see if you can find some of that because we did it. If anybody's interested in this, I can't recommend enough uncharted X. It's Ben Van Kirkwicks. This is what apparently is underneath this area. Which is just fucking staggering. Wow, how nice. This is all underground. And so I think we, the next site that we can study can be this. Yeah. And if you could find out what that 40 meter long metallic object is. That's when things get weird. That's when things get real weird because you find a spaceship down there. Then things get really fun. I mean, we're Egyptian space travelers. Why not? I mean, if they could build that, why not space? Who knows what they could do. They're lying in a gigantic stone box, tripping balls. They have this huge pyramid. The structures go how long a kilometer of the entire thing into the earth? 1.2 kilometers into the earth from the base of the pyramid down 1.2 kilometers. Wow. Wow. Wow. This is chain, I mean, from 2018 to now, from you researching this. And does this change your entire perspective of human history and just human beings in general? In my personal opinion, yes. Because before this was a problem accepting how the pyramids were made, all those stones. But if we are adding also the structures that are underneath, I don't know what happens. Right. More impossible than before. Right. More impossible than, I mean, if you'd imagine with modern technology trying to recreate something like that, you're talking about an immense project that cost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not more. And the engineering involved, you're an engineer, the engineering involved in doing something like that, like how? How they can cut the granite to surface the implicit impossible. Is it possible? What's all today? Is it possible? So they had some sort of a technology that is far more advanced than we have. They just went in a different direction. They went in the direction of internal combustion engines, electronics. And they probably went in some completely different direction. Yes, because the models science started from a point and then as you are saying, right, we followed a direction, which is the direction of light. Because most of our inventions, our internal combustion engines and other stuff, but principally, we use light because we can see it. We can see light. OK, we use light. But other existence, other people that was living in the past, maybe use other things that we don't know. Maybe sound. Maybe sound. It seems like if this is generating sound and vibration of your speculation is correct. Yes. That they were obsessed with vibration and sound. Yes. They were obsessed in vibrations and sound. Because all these structures that I watched inside the pyramids, they are like something that generates sound or they maintain clean the sound. It resonates sound. It echoes. It has a very specific echo to it. The Z, like that, is magnificent. The Z is perfect. It's a perfect device made by stones. It's very nice. And just how and where did they get the understanding to construct something like this? And this is what screws up our idea of a linear timeline of human progression and civilization to go from caveman to modern 2026 human being. We like to think that it was just, oh, we figured this out and then we figured the wheel out and then it was agriculture. Now here we are today with cars. But more likely there were some peaks and valleys. We rose up to a very high level probably during Egypt and it was shattered down and it took probably a long time before civilization built itself again. Yes. So then we are speaking about modern living but modern living has to be sustainable. I don't think that our modern living is so sustainable. No. No. I mean, even our population isn't sustainable. We're in population to collapse in many countries in the world, South Korea, Japan, even there's arguments about America itself that we're in population collapse. And we're also chaotic. We also have a very bizarre distribution of information that's filled with nonsense and lies and propaganda. Yes, lies and propaganda, yes. But the government that's constantly trying to censor people and control speech and limit your ability to express yourself and complain about things so they can continue to dominate resources. You have a weird society today. But it's also a society because of this access to information where you can discuss and explore things in a way that has never happened before. And that is the most exciting thing about our time. There's so much room for discussion. I want to, if I can, to explain you something that is maybe related to philosophy or to other things. We have an example of how modern humans are a bit strange because we are not made, it is like that we are not made to research or to find the harmonics in our living. And so I just want to make an example. Do you remember in the 80s when they called fusion? Yes. So maybe we are speaking about flesh man and ponds that made for the first time they had the glass of water and inside they made a mini nuclear reactor inside. They had some results that were very poor results I know. But was a base to build something stronger. They put away that experiment, so they debunked that experiment. It was not good, it is not good because it is not possible. And the example of the called fusion is how we are because called fusion was devoted to find the energy using resonance. Why? How it works called fusion? We have two atoms of hydrogen. We start, we start to put together these two atoms but why do we put together these two atoms? There are the atomic forces that tends to, no, I don't want to stay with the other. So but then there is a limit that the atoms fuse together and it transform it is, they are transformed in helium plus energy because of the mass difference. And so you can do energy by fusion, this is fusion, not called fusion. So you can have a fusion by forcing together the atoms, they don't want to stay together. So the force, force together. And that is hot, yes, that is hot fusion. Call the fusion, you convince the two atoms to stay together naturally. So today, what method do they use to convince these atoms to stay together naturally? Yes, you have to find a third material that convince the two atoms to stay together. Like you say, I have a couple, you have a couple, a girl and a man, they don't, they don't want to talk, want to each other. If you put a third person between them, at the center of them and she and maybe a third person, convince the man and the girl to speak together and they will speak together. Okay. The third material, which is palladium, they use palladium, palladium, has the physical property to make, speak together the two atoms and without force them, they naturally transform into helium and they generate energy because the helium has a mass lower than the two atoms. With mass difference, you will, you will generate energy. And doing this at scale is really the holy grail of mass science. Yes, this has always been the quest. Yes. So we have two paradigma, convincing something or obtaining the results using the force. And so the street that you were speaking before, science had this street we want to have things by using force, not convincing. Right, that's where we are. Yes, nuclear power. Yes, nuclear energy. Yes, because I tell you, today also hot nuclear fusion does not exist because it is very difficult to make a huge reactor that uses the tokamaks or something related to laser that uses, that forces together the atoms to be something not natural, cold fusion was natural. And so the pyramids are something related to vibrations, to harmonic resonance, to something like that, that it is the right creation that was the past. They were the right creation. Yes, they were doing it the correct way. Yes, instead of doing it against nature, they were doing it in harmony with nature. And in the universe, and that's why all the dimensions are related to the constants of the universe. The universe is like a book that is open. We have to just observe it. And it is not difficult, it is very simple to read the universe. Okay, show me more, show me more of this presentation. What else do you have in here when you go from the cap with the sound resonating into the surface? Yes, we can go to that slide. This stuff is awesome. This is my favorite subject, by far. Have all subjects, ancient history, and particularly ancient Egypt, this is my favorite subject. Okay, we stop to speak, because it is so undeniably interesting. If we can go as light up, here we are dealing with something that happens. And in 2022, after our paper was published, because these results are on our first paper, look, Joe, that is light there. The lower left slide, yes. You depict chambers that were previously not known. Yes. That's the big void. Right, the big void. That's the big void. Then there is the chevron connecting with the corridor, the base of the grand gallery. That corridor was discovered six months later by Zagiawaz. Wow. They made the paper, but I depicted six months before you let them know it was there. That's the corridor. That's the corridor. I found it. That's the corridor. Yeah, I don't want to say that I found it about that. Well, you found it. I'll say it. You found it. So, your technology showed something that turned out to be true and is now established. Yes. And again, how crazy is it that they are just finding new chambers in the pyramids in the 21st century? Pretty spectacular, yes. That they're just finding this now. And just yesterday I was too examinated again that I don't have it. I don't have a slides here. I'm sorry, but there are the results of the skamp pyramid project. The skamp pyramid visual is very good. It is a very nice project, project group. They discovered the so-called big void, but there is a problem because they say the big void can be something parallel to the gran gallery, not steady, but inclined. Like inclined. In inclined. Right. Examinating their results. I was observing something. Maybe I say maybe I can say that I am right of this. Maybe they are confusing and inclined new chamber by the top of the, they are distinguishing the top of the gran gallery and the bottom of the gran gallery. Like that. I observed the results, but in my personal opinion, the big void is not inclined. But it is located where there is that red blob there. That's the gran gallery. Yes, there and also up. Yes, that's the gran gallery. It is not inclined. It is flat like that is, how you say, steady, not inclined. Right. That's the gran gallery. Why do they think it's an inclined? We are not seeing, we are not, my technique does not detect, is not detect and inclined chamber on the top of the gran gallery. Why do they think there is an inclined? Yes, because they found two targets parallel. But I am feeling to tell them to be careful because maybe they are confusing the roof of the gran gallery and the lower part of the gran gallery. I see. Okay, they have to be careful. Interesting. But it's just also more evidence that your techniques are very effective and accurate because you did describe it. Yes. We can see the results that I obtain on the gran sasso. We can see the gran sasso and the laboratory of gran sasso. That is the perfect benchmark that describes the effectiveness of my technique. All right, show me some more. What else you got here? Show me another slide. Below, I think. Okay, we go to Gubio. This is a town where I live. This is Saxo-Homan. Saxo-Homan, yes. This is Saxo-Homan. And here I am showing you the next work that we can do once the Giza scanning activity are finished. So, this is in Peru. Correct. You want to scan this as well because we've had quite a few people on describe this. Look, Jo, the stones are like marshmallows. Yes. They are like marshmallows. How they did to those things there. It's enormous. So, over 100 tons carved from stones that, who knows how they put them into position, but they carved them in this very strange way to absorb the impact of earthquakes. Yes. The idea of this technology is that the reason why they're like a puzzle piece is because it would be mustless likely to move in intense earthquake. Okay. Go back to the tape. Just a few words on this city that is small town that is located in Perugia where I live. Look, the Italian, the authority of the city of the town asked me to perform scanning around that Colosseum, that is mini Colosseum that is located in Gubio because probably there is Roman city, not so old, but it is a Roman city that compounds that arena that is there. So, a lost Roman city that's around that area. Yes. And I say hello to the people of Gubio. So, is this the next thing that you're going to do? One of the next things. One of the next. But, sax, I have one month. Yes, sax, I have one month. Yes. And there is also Caracora also very interesting. The slide 51, please. Yes. Yes. Caracora. Yes. This is located in Russia and there are huge structures inside there. And this isn't Russia. Yes. And nobody knows the purpose of those things there. Nobody. It's crazy. More than crazy. And how big are these things? Oh. You keep that up there, Jim. I have other pictures of it. You see what it looks like. Yes. Just for a couple of seconds. I just like, how big are we looking at here? Yes. We have 9 plus 16 plus 7 plus 10 plus 36 and they go below. So maybe two or three hundred meters below. Two or three hundred meters. And there's this immense rectangle at the bottom of these corridors. Yes. And it goes more deeply. And so nobody knows what there is. And if you look at that image, it's clearly a man-made structure. It's man-made, absolutely. Yes. I mean, look, there's stones. They're placed. Yes. That is nuts. That's crazy. And they don't, they just know historical timeline, no understanding of who did it. No. Wow. So it's likely that there's structures like this that exist that are undiscovered probably all over the world. Yes. Yes. The nice thing of this is this. Satellites are global. Global. So one satellite flies from, let's say, South Pole, North Pole, South Pole like that. Because of the angular momentum conservation, the, let's say, the wheel of the orbit remains steady. And the earth rotates inside the circle, the circle remains steady, like that. So at least once a day, one satellite can observe potentially any part of the globe in one day. So you can program snapshots where you want in all the earth in one day. And how many satellites are up there? Ah, there are satellites that contains, on board of them, a payload composed by synthetic aperture rather. There are a lot. There are different satellites, companies that provides these services. So today it is possible to decide to observe something. Okay. I call the company and they purge for me an image. And this structure in Russia, how was this initially discovered? Was it discovered by exploration? Manually, by exploration. Yes. And how did they get the dimensions of it? Are people able to go all the way down into it? Yes. That man, because there is only a man that went down, because it's very narrow. But once you go down, everything becomes very huge and large. Measure it manually, all those depths. But more than than, you can't go because maybe it's too narrow, I don't know. Yes. Okay. Did you find any images of that, Chairman? I'm looking into something. I'm stuck in a hole. Someone was sort of saying that it's in a different spot. And then I just tried to track it down. I mean, you actually recorded it. I recorded it. I recorded it. I recorded it. I recorded it. I recorded it. I recorded it. Wow. Wow. rather than former archaeological publications, because it hasn't been explored, correct? 15 years ago, though. Yeah, pretty nuts. But I mean, who's doing that kind of work in Russia, especially now? Deep underground shaft lined with large parallel, megalithic stone blocks, with walls described as straight and polished, suggest artificial construction rather than a natural cave or fissure. And this is all from our sponsor perplexity that we run all or our questions through. And it's always been very accurate. Said to lie somewhere between, in the Russian caucus, often simply described simply as North caucus or caucus mountains, with videos and posts presenting in his evidence of unknown or very ancient civilization with advanced stone working techniques. Crazy, they don't know who made this. There's no accessible peer-reviewed archaeological articles, official Russian heritage records, or academic monographs that describe the site formerly named the Karahorah. Is that my saying that right? Karahorah? Karahorah shaft. Karahorah shaft, which strongly suggests a claim, it's not been vetted by mainstream archaeology, but look, it exists, whether it's vetted or not. It doesn't matter. Like, who made it? What is it? Nuts. That's really crazy. I had no idea that that existed. Yeah. And it's just, it makes you think, like if they just found that in 2011. Yes. And manually. Right. And maybe doing a wide research by satellites, maybe starting from there, or other sites between that Karahorah, maybe we will find other things. Right. It could be a part of an enormous complex. Yes. Who knows? But just the fact that that exists, and that a human made, that our humans made, that that's crazy. The whole thing is crazy. Because it really does, like anybody that, boy, the modern archaeologists and people that are the gatekeepers of archaeological information are fighting an uphill battle. Because like, you can't, at a certain point in time, you have to give up and go, I don't know. And that's an I don't know moment. Like, yes, this, I know. I don't know. What the hell is that? What's the, that I don't know? Show me some more images, Jamie, because it's really kooky of the shaft. Yeah, just that what that looks like. Well, I'm trying to, I'm digging down a hole and there's a post here on the other side. Yes. And also, this is a, like, they're misinterpreting something. This is Jay Anderson, who's been on the podcast recently. This is the tweet I found. How about some fat chunk, car horror in the, cub, cabardino, bulkria, republic, north caucus of the Russian Federation is a different place from caracoto. So carahora and caracot, so there's more than one place. Thanks for your time. So I'm trying to, I haven't, I'm just googling stuff. It's, it all comes from this one video, what it seems like, because everyone's pointing to this video and this video is compiled of all sorts of stuff. It's got three million views from 2024. So I can see how it goes. It went viral, you know? But it starts off with just showing that. And I don't, you know, so this is probably the entry to this area. Maybe, but again, no one knows, they can't tell you where that is. All I got a map. Right. Got it. Look how precise it is. So it's, this might be who knows? Yeah, it could be real. Well, the, the images of that guy standing there looking outside of that opening that you showed earlier in your presentation is just bananas. But whatever this is, it's fine. That's why I don't know where it's from. You know, it could be. Right. Do they have any video of once they got all the way down through? So here, okay, let's keep going. See what it looks like. And I don't even know. Yeah, so someone else has a narration on it. It's coming from a different channel. I can see a tag on there. It's coming from a different show. Because like, God, look at the right angles though. This is nuts. Yes. I mean, it clearly looks like something man made. Look how precise it is. Yeah. It's great. That's man made. It's absolutely man made. There are also a comparison with the dimensions of the dimensions. Wow. What the hell is that? That means it's crazy. What the hell is that? It's crazy. They found it in 2011. Yeah. I mean, imagine how much more of this stuff, I mean, that's one of the things about Gobeckley-Tepi. They've only observed 5% of it. I mean, 5% of it, they've uncovered. And through ground penetrating radar, they know multiple sites nearby. Yes, but ground penetrating radar has a problem. What is the problem? The problem of ground penetrating radar is the penetration depth. There is a problem of penetration depth, but in that depth, you are very precise. So you have to take into account that more than 15-20 meters below you can't go. Right. But using that method, they have found all these structures. Yes, yes, yes. It's a good method for in situ exploration, yes. And so you can find nice things with using ground penetrating radar. If you want to perform a wide area rough, let's say rough scanning, you can use my method. So you can find huge things on wide area. For the data, data, it's okay, ground penetrating radar. Is there anything else you want to show us that's in your presentation that you think? Show me some more stuff. Yes, it's a pleasure. Yeah, please. It's a pleasure for me too. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank you for inviting. Kara Kora. Kara Kora? Kara Kora. Kara Kora. Kara Kora. So this is Kara Kora. So that image, go back one more time to Kara Kora. So that's a legitimate image. That's not AI generated. This is these guys standing in clearly looks like megalithic stones stacked on top of each other. Clearly manmade. Yes, clearly manmade because look you see. Yes. You see the blocks. Yeah, you see the blocks. It's fucking nuts. No, but okay, we can understand that it's possible, maybe it's possible to build something like that. Sure, it's possible. But the purpose and when and who and what civilization? Right. Like who did that? That is insane. What even is that? What even is that? Yeah. I mean, these ropes that go across, that's what you're seeing. And you've seen this. Where's his arm and where's the rope go to? Well, he's got his arm posted on the side of that wall and that rope goes across and you just not see it because of the darkness. Is that like he's leaning against something there too? Looks like he's got his hand on that wall, that opening. There's an opening in that shaft. So what else is next in this, in this presentation? Okay. Yeah. Which way should I go? Okay, we go upstairs. Let's see. Go back it up. And we have Goobbio. And here we have the Osiris shafts which we use this shaft, the Osiris shaft, like a bench mark because we are able to understand the effectiveness of our technique that is able to retrieve the shape of the Osiris shaft. Why the Osiris shaft? Because it's a bench mark that we know exactly how it is established and and and so it accurately depicts the Osiris. Yes. Yes. On the wall out. Okay, let's go there. Okay. 43. 43. Yes. This is the Sangotard tunnel and here I made an exploration using my technique in order to retrieve the shape of the railway tunnel that it is approximately 2 kilometers below the mountain and the slide 44. We can understand that in this case the Alps, the mountain resonates like a crystal. So you are seeing, you are watching the mountain in the vibrational domain. So it's like a photograph, a photo, a pick, pick it up or synthesize it by sound. And in that case we can see the slide 45 and 46. We are detecting the tunnel. The tunnel, yes, that's the railway tunnel that is located below the earth. Wow. So this is just more proof of the accuracy of the technique. Yes. Yes. This is some really stunning stuff. Yes, I can explain your other experiments. We can go starting from a slide 36. Okay, slide 36. This is a dam and it is very important dam. It is a demoral dam that is located in Iraq. It is very huge, it is 300 meters tall as a height of 300 meters and 3 kilometers from one part to the other part of the dam. So it contains a huge amount of water from the upper side. There is the water that contains and below there is the river that the water comes out from the reservoir. That is on top. Why the musul dam? The musul dam has a problem. It has been built on a bed of JEP, JEP. So how you say JEPsum? JEPsum, JEPsum, yes. And JEPsum is a while, is in contact of water. It melts. So the musul dam is dangerous because it has a serious problem of stabilization. In this case, there are a lot of satellites and synthetic or rather methods that are devoted to perform the infrastructure monitoring. And in this case, the musul dam is crucial to be observed by a radar. In this case, I wanted to see the slide 37. Here, inside the dam, look, there is a tunnel, the red line, the tunnel. And here we have people that are working inside the tunnel. And the task was, my technique is possible to detect the tunnel. We go in slide 38. And we see on the right top, there is the tunnel. Just to explain you, where you see red, the vibration energy is high, so it's red. When you see blue, the vibration has energy is low, it's low. And inside the tunnel, because you have the earth, you don't have vibration, so it's low. And so you see the tunnel. And so we were also able to detect a slide 39. Also, the principal facility that are located inside the dam, which are the turbinas. The turbans. And other stuff. And all the mechanical machines, this is the mechanical machines that are located inside. So it's showing the accurate shape of the turbines as well. This is just more proof that this technique works. And so we go slide 31. This is the Grand Sassos. How nice is this for me very nice, because I born here. This is the particle collider. Inside the mountain, in the core of the mountain, there is the laboratory here. And the task was, can I detect the facility that is inside the mountain? And so we are now in this slide 32 and 33. And we can see the facility that is ENFN is the Institute of Nationality, Physica Nucleare. Is it the shape of it in there? Yes, National Institute of Nuclear Physics, the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics. And that's more than a kilometer deep into the mountain? 1.4. And yes, and slide 35, we can see the laboratory. Wow. This is the laboratory. That's crazy. That's crazy. So using your techniques, you get an accurate depiction of the dimensions of this laboratory. Yeah. Wow. And that triangle is called the interferometer. So when you have two lasers, and it goes together, and you can study the pattern, the interference pattern that coherent signals are generating, you can use an interferometer. And that's the interferometer. Wow. This is all amazing stuff. It's amazing. And I feel like we're at the beginning of a very fascinating journey. Yeah. And I think that your work and this research and all the controversy is good. All the controversy around is just going to make more people talk about it, more people discuss it, and more people understand. And it just seems to me that the more they research it, the more the mystery opens up, and that it is without a doubt one of the most astounding discoveries in human history. Yes. So. Thank you, Joel. Congratulations on discovering it. And thank you so much for all your hard work, because, I mean, like I said, to me, one of the most fascinating subjects. And what Graham always speaks of is that we are a species with amnesia. Yes. And I agree with this. And you know, and it's one of the reasons why so many people are mad at him, is because he was right. He was right in the 1990s. And as time goes on, he is being proven more and more to be correct. And things just seem to keep getting older. Yes. It's amazing. Thank you so much for being here. I really, really appreciate your time, and I appreciate your work. Thank you for inviting me. My pleasure. Let's do it again when more stuff comes out. Okay. I'm here. If anybody wants to find more about this, where would you send them to? Is there a website that would give them more information if they want to do a deep dive? Yes. I have a personal website, which is harmonics.com. And I publish it. Say that again, harmonics. Say that again, harmonics.com. Yes. Harmonics. It's meant, it's a synthetic aperture radar. Yes. So harmonics.com. Yes. Philippe O'Bioen de. I mean. You're the man. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Really appreciate you being here. Thank you. Thank you.