The Traitors Official Podcast

Black Banquet & the Dagger

41 min
Jan 30, 20263 months ago
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Summary

Bob the Drag Queen and Boston Rob analyze episode 4 of The Traitors, featuring the dramatic Black Banquet murder of Jam Jam by traitor Lisa Rinna, followed by Lisa's eventual banishment at the roundtable. The hosts discuss gameplay strategy, fashion, and interview both Jam Jam and Lisa about their experiences and decision-making.

Insights
  • Traitor-on-traitor conflict (Rob vs. Lisa) creates vulnerability that faithfuls can exploit, similar to fractured turrets in previous seasons
  • Physical competition performance (like the mountain gold mission) directly influences social power dynamics and voting credibility at roundtable
  • Behavioral tells like face-touching and crossed arms are reliable indicators of deception that experienced players can weaponize in interrogation
  • Emotional voting decisions (Candace's vote against Rob) compromise strategic alliances and create lasting resentment that's difficult to repair
  • Aggressive gameplay visibility (Colton's repeated accusations, Natalie's dominance) generates heat that can backfire despite initial success
Trends
Reality competition shows increasingly feature psychological gameplay elements (lie detection, behavioral analysis) as core mechanicsSurvivor alumni bring established social game frameworks that don't always translate to castle-based gameplay with limited visibilityTraitor reveals are becoming more theatrical and dramatic, with emphasis on exit speeches and personal narrativesFashion and appearance are weaponized as part of gameplay strategy, not just aesthetic choicesRoundtable dynamics shift when one traitor turns against another, creating opportunity for faithfuls to gain temporary advantagePhysical missions serve dual purpose: generating gold/points and providing social intelligence through performance observationAntidote/save mechanics create secondary drama layers that complicate primary murder narratives
Topics
Deception Detection TechniquesTraitor Gameplay StrategySocial Alliance ManagementRoundtable Interrogation TacticsPhysical Competition StrategyEmotional vs. Strategic Decision-MakingSurvivor Player AdaptationFashion as Gameplay ToolBehavioral Tell RecognitionTraitor-on-Traitor ConflictFaithfuls' Information DisadvantageExit Strategy and MessagingPower Dynamics in Confined SpacesBluffing and Poker Strategy ApplicationReality TV Narrative Construction
Companies
Peacock
Platform where The Traitors Season 4 airs and where podcast video version is available
TH Studios
Production company that produces The Traitors Official Podcast
USG Audio
Audio production company involved in podcast production
People
Lisa Rinna
Revealed traitor who executed the Black Banquet murder of Jam Jam using an amulet trick
Jam Jam Orocho
Survivor champion and faithful who was murdered at the Black Banquet by Lisa Rinna
Boston Rob
Co-host of The Traitors Official Podcast and analyst of gameplay strategy
Bob the Drag Queen
Co-host of The Traitors Official Podcast providing fashion and gameplay commentary
Colton
Faithful player who successfully pivoted roundtable suspicion from Natalie to Lisa
Natalie
Aggressive faithful player who misspoke about 'murdering' someone, creating suspicion
Rob
Traitor who won the dagger power and made a pact with other players to keep it secret
Candace
Traitor who emotionally voted against Rob, creating tension within the traitor alliance
Alan Cumming
Host character who introduced antidote twist during the Black Banquet murder
Quotes
"Lisa fucking Renna. The only thing about this murder that I find I would have been suspicious on, I'd have been like, bitch, this brooch doesn't match your outfit."
Bob the Drag QueenEarly episode
"Anytime two people have a different version of a story, someone's lying. I'm sorry. That's camp, guys. That's camp."
RobRoundtable discussion
"The faithfuls are all going to die if they keep doing what we were doing. They don't have a freaking chance."
Jam Jam OrochoPost-elimination interview
"I am a lone wolf, but I love nothing more than to be the center of tension. It is going to be the most iconic banquet in Trader history."
Lisa RinnaBlack Banquet setup
"Don't mess with the housewives. I found that out the hard way."
Lisa RinnaExit speech
Full Transcript
Hey everybody, welcome back to the Traders' official podcast. Do not adjust your screens. Bob the Drag Queen has a backwards hat on. Bob, explain yourself. Listen, you know, I've just seen the era of my ways. We've been talking about fashion a lot here lately, and I realized you were right about so many things. Oh, my God. I am getting trolled, but I love it. It actually has rhinestones on it. Listen, I had to make it Bob the Dragway style, obviously. So this is my little nod to you. This is my peace offering, shall we say. I mean, I am honored and completely gagged. So thank you. Of course. It is absolutely my pleasure. And of course, y'all, this is the official Traders Podcast, where we talk about the intrigue of the gameplay, the fashion, and the betrayals. We are your hosts. My name is Bob the Drag Queen. And I'm Boston Rob. And fair warning, we are not holding back. There will be spoilers. So make sure you are all caught up. And there is so much to talk about. This episode had everything. The Black Banquet. The Black Banquet right from the jump. Lisa Rinna with the brooch on her lapel. And I gotta say, her entrance fit for a queen. Watching her come down those stairs, her big grand entrance, I was like, what a diva, what an icon, what a legend, what a traitor. Lisa fucking Renna. Lisa fucking Renna. The only thing about this murder that I find I would have been suspicious on, I'd have been like, bitch, this brooch doesn't match your outfit. I'd have been like, girl, I love you. But Lisa, this brooch right there on this outfit, what is happening? What are we doing? Everyone's suspicious of everything. There's cards on the table. Yes. People are cutting up food. Rightfully so. I mean, everybody is watching everything. And I got to tell you, I absolutely loved how she delivered, oh, oh, my pen is burning. We actually have footage on how she came to our decision. So let's take a look at it. Gorgeous. Bring it. Oh. If I go for Jam Jam, he didn't vote for me at the round table and most likely won't come back on me. Perfect choice. That would have been smart. Cheers. Cheers, we have to look. I don't think I've ever shared you with this intensity. Look fab. Kristen. Also a good choice. Very smart. Quiet ones are the dangerous ones. But also, I think Natalie is smart, and she's a gamer. She's really dangerous. Kristen's the best choice. Natalie could be a good target for me. Kristen's the best, but Jem Jem's the worst. Yes, yes. And it is my moment to strike. But then, baby, Alan, this entrance is so great. And right when Lisa was like, it's done, I did it, Alan was like, did you really think I was going to light you off that easy? There are just two life-saving antidotes, two chances to save the curse. Oh, that's the worst. You think you did your job, and here comes a twist. Have the traitors targeted tonight. Look at Lisa. Listen up, players. You only have a short amount of time to discuss who will drink the antidote. But it is lost forever. Right now, Lisa does not look like she's played. She looks shook. She looks destroyed. Obviously, Rob and Candace aren't shook because they don't even know who she chose. Right. They're literally scot-free, and they know they can't be killed, so they're not going to make a big thing to go for the antidote. Yeah. And Lisa is like, this is more dramatic than the soap operas I used to work on. The game has obviously evolved. In the very first season, somebody poisoned a chalice. Yes. And here they are at a banquet, and they're literally trying to find anything that happened so that they can drink the potion. Who took a deep breath? Who looked me in the eye? Who's wearing shoes? Who cut the turkey? Who did this? Who did that? So let's look at all of the faithfuls battling it out to get those antidotes. You have one minute left. Okay, I would like to drink it. No one can get a word in. Guys, I really want to drink this, guys. I have a word. I don't like Natalie always taking the lead as a lead faithful. Yeah, it's getting her a lot of heat. Well, Steven, pass me me. Hey, I need two names now. I do not play like that. I really don't. This doesn't surprise me. This is a smart survivor mood. If nobody's speaking up, go for it. Yeah. So Natalie and Tara are getting up and fighting over this drink. And then someone's yelling, just drink it, just drink it, because it's going to expire. Time was running out. In my mind, when they were fighting over who was going to drink it, there was no question I knew Natalie was going to drink it. I just know she's like, in the moment, she's very aggressive, and she's going to take the initiative. So let's look at Alan's remarkable and beautiful reveal. The player that was cursed to death. Cursed. Is. You, Jam Jam. Oh, my God. Oh, Lisa, he said Lisa right away. As Jam Jam is being dragged out of the banquet hall by minions, literally kicking and screaming, Alan, you're going to prison for that. I loved it. Don't change, Alan. He's yelling like, it's Lisa! It's Lisa! She kissed me! Lisa kissed me! Yeah. Which it wasn't the kiss, but he was right. It was Lisa. The funny thing is, the execution of the murder isn't even what got her. That's the crazy thing. Which is why I think Jam Jam's a terrible choice. Yeah. Because he's somebody that's going to be vocal. He's going to get his on the way out. Honestly, I genuinely cannot wait to show this to him and get his reaction in real time. And we're going to do it right after this. Welcome back, everyone. We're so excited to be joined now by a Survivor champion known for his brilliant social game, but his million-dollar victory painted the biggest target on his back in the castle. His journey ended in the most dramatic way possible. Give it up for Jam Jam Orocho. Jam Jam. Hey, hi. Girl. Thank you, Boston Rob. Thank you, Bob the Reckman, for having me. It's so exciting to talk about this. Did you have the most dramatic murder in the history of the traitors? It has to be the most dramatic. It felt that way, watching you get dragged out of that thing. Let's start at the beginning. This black banquet, it looked amazing. Going into that, what's the feeling going into it? Not only from you, but for everyone. You know something's gonna happen, but we don't know where it's gonna be hitting you from. You don't know if it's gonna be in the food, if there's roses on the tables. Everybody's talking about everything that's going on around us. Like everybody's offering you a drink and food and you don't wanna take anything. I know you haven't seen anything yet and I can tell you're very excited, but I want you to take another look at how gorgeous you look. Oh, thank you. Let's take a look. Oh my God, that entrance to the drama. You look gorgeous. Bring it. No. If I go for Jam Jam, he didn't vote for me at the round table and most likely won't come back on me. Cheers. It became too close to her after that round table. I don't think I've ever shared you with this intensity. I see like stars on your eye. You're like, it's like an energy. Look at this accessory. Oh my God, I knew something was going on. Okay, so tell me what is your response to watching that? I was a fool for so many reasons. Obviously, I shouldn't have interacted with anyone or do anything. I should have just sitting there and not do anything. I didn't know what was going on. And watching myself walking in there, I was so excited to be there. The conversations we were having at dinner, looking at everybody dressed so amazingly after spending so many days together. It was magic. It was magic. I felt like a movie. In another way, that Survivor is not like that. Survivor is like the nature and everything. But here is like the drama and the theater and everything is beautiful and smells nice. Net Banking was an absolutely phenomenal show, but your murder was the most beautiful finale of all, and we're going to take a look at it right now. The player... Oh, my God. He looked amazing. ...was consent to death is She was so fresh because how do I don't give you cheek? Lisa, Lisa, Lisa, she's me with a cheek cheeky. She was a real kid. It was a real kid The faces of everyone. She's mad. She's mad. Good. Got a lot of information out in a really short amount of time. Yeah, that was really good. You were like, it was Lisa in the kitchen with a kiss. Because they keep questioning me. I didn't know. I was so mad half of these people last time more than me. I was like, dude, just listen to me. Why would I say anything else? I'm obviously a faithful. I just got murdered. You said that you thought it was Lisa that targeted you because of a kiss on the cheek How your view of that And in the interactions in this castle nobody was everybody was like air kissing you know because that the classic thing to do But Lisa, when she said hi to me, she gave me a kiss on the cheek, like a smooch. Okay, okay. And she was the only one who kissed you like that? Yeah. So, listen, Jam Jam, the magic of this murder is that even though you think you know how you were murdered, I'm telling you right now, it wasn't because of the kiss. So I want you to watch this, and I want you to see what really happened. Yep. Oh, close the door. Oh, my God. I'm just going to talk about it. Last night was insane, and I'm a little sad because I did love Jam, but it happened so fast. Lisa just like... Did she love me? She handled her scandal with no backup. I was so scared that you hadn't done it because I didn't see anything. It happened within five minutes. I didn't even know who you were going for. Ow, ow, ow, ow. Is this shit? She said that. Maura was next to me. Thank you. So the cause of death was actually her tricking you into touching the amulet that she had on her lapel. How did they feel fighting that out? Well, it makes me feel like a fool because I was screaming. I was like, she kissed me! You know what's great about it? You know what's great about it is you threw her under the bus for the wrong reason, but you were right. She was a traitor. I knew she was acting different with me that night. Yes. So I was like, who was acting with me different tonight? And to me, it was the idea of the kiss. But if you think about it, maybe she was also nervous. And that's why she gave me the kiss. I thought you played a great game, Jam Jam. I thought you were doing all the right things. And your intuition was good at the end. You know, you sensed it was her. I really respect the fact on the way out, you took a parting shot that ultimately led to people to start to look at Lisa. As they should. And I love that. Yay for me and my meat of the pack placement. Let me ask you one question. Like overall, the experience, how was it for you overall? It was amazing. It was super hard. It was... So Survivor, Rob, you know, you are watching everybody at once all the time. Here, the castle has many rooms. Everybody's everywhere. You don't know what's really going on. And in comparison to Survivor, this was very hard for my skills. What is your final message to the faithful? Oh, the faithfuls are all going to die if they keep doing what we were doing. they don't have a freaking chance i mean they can get like maybe like one person but i don't see them figuring this out they're a mess and i hope they lose i said it when i was there i was like i hope the faithfuls lose they deserve to lose see that's a survivor mentality i'm just telling you from a gamer's perspective because he's so competitive i know how he feels it's a little bit like well if i'm not gonna win i don't want any of you else to win thank you so much for joining us, Jam Jam. I gotta tell you, from one game or to another, it was tough to see you go, but I really enjoyed watching you in the castle. And thank you for actually bringing the fashion. You looked amazing. Alright, thank you so much, Jam Jam. Bye. Thank you so much, guys. Was a blast. You want to talk about this breakfast? Let's talk about it. Uncomfortable. I mean, brutal. Like, there's no reveal because, like, obviously, Jam Jam was dragged out the night before. Rob Candace and Lisa finally have one-on-one time face-to-face with no one around they don't have to whisper because they're the only ones in there and they are not happy with him no they're pissed so Lisa's basically like what are you going to do because Candace has Candace is like I will do what it takes to clear your name right Lisa needs support she's on the hot seat yes and she's asking Robert he's going to do and Rob goes I'll do the same thing I do every day I'll just sit back in obviously that's not a good enough answer because he doesn't care he doesn't care he wants to see her burn he's not saying that he's breaking up the band but his actions are yes he's making excuses the fact that he couldn't vote for colton that he didn't want to vote for ron i mean it's all lining up that he's trying to create a group that doesn't include them so they go out of breakfast and you see them in the library back in the castle you see them in the library and out of nowhere Natalie just has diarrhea of the mouth and misspeaks. Let's look at Natalie misspeaking here. We just wanted to clear up, like, how we were fighting over the potion. And why were you so strong? Two of the gamers have been targeted. Like, think about it. They're all dead now. We killed one. We murdered one. See, Lisa already feels like she's dead. Did she just say, we murdered? Oh, praise Jesus. I'm gonna use that. Thank you. We have to agree that misspeaking is, we have a lot of evidence to show that does not make you a traitor. You all have seen it twice in this season. It happens a lot. We saw it once with Michael, we saw it once with Portia, and now we're seeing it with Natalie. Why are y'all still taking this as Bible truth that you're a traitor? I just think like, I feel like if there's nothing else to go on, it's a way to incriminate someone. So Rob is trying to make his case against Lisa. He's doing it to his faithful buddies. He is working like double time to take Lisa down. Let's look at this clip. Airtight. Don't bring this out. I don't want to get murdered. I don't want to get murdered. Anytime two people have a different version of a story, someone's lying. I'm sorry. That's camp, guys. That's camp. As soon as he says that, she says... It is pretty basic. But he said it like he was... We all know this is the first time we get to hear Faithful say anything to us. That's what he says. Someone's lying. Yeah. Why would he lie? Anytime two people have a different version of a story, someone's lying. I would have like, Socrates could never. I mean, he's not wrong, but it's not the most insightful quote. What he is saying makes a lot of sense. Jam Jam has no reason to lie as he's being thrown out of the castle. I agree with that. You know, usually after someone's dead, why would they say it, you know? Yeah. All right, so let's talk about this week's mission. Yes. All right? They're giving them some gold to start with, which they can use, but they ultimately have to collect gold and go up this huge mountain to the end and put it in their chest. This game is so physical. It's not just like going up a hill. There's an aim game in the middle. They can wage their gold and throw it at the sting. Rob is crushing. He skips rocks for hours, apparently, at his lake. And Candice can't hit the broad side of a barn to save her life. Candice got to know she has no aim. Natalie is a beast. She's done this on Survivor. I've seen firsthand her hustling. Yeah, she is strong. She is smart. She is made for this game. No doubt. And then there's a third part of it, because you get to the top, and you realize you can just give someone else your gold. Right. So now you can campaign. There's a strategy there, too, and you do see some people putting their gold in other people's because they didn't have enough. And then, when it's all said and done, the top earners, Colton, Eric, Mark, Natalie, Rob, and Steven, all have the most gold, and it's Rob's job to determine who is lying to him. So the power of the dagger, it's not just some shiny toy. The power of the dagger allows you to have two votes. You get literally double the vote at the roundtable. So it's a bluff game. I actually played a game similar to this on Deal or No Deal Island. I bet Rob plays poker, and he effectively used a strategy called baselining, where he asks them a question that they're supposed to answer truthfully, what's your name, he knows the answer to, so that he can get a baseline on them to when he asks them, do you have the dagger, to see if there's any difference in the reaction. I usually hate when people say, I'm a human lie detector, But honestly, he ate. He did. And Natalie has two fatal flaws. Tells, if you call them. I don't know if a lot of people at home know this, but one of the ways you can tell if someone's lying that's a pretty effective tell is if when you ask them a question, they touch their face. Sometimes they grab their ear. Sometimes they touch their face. Sometimes they touch the nose. And the closer to the nose they touch, the more accurate it is as a lie. Kind of Pinocchio. A little bit Pinocchio. One other thing they do when they're closed off and they're trying to be deceptive is they cross their arms. And I noticed Natalie did both of those when Rob questioned it. And Rob picked up on it. So Rob effectively knows that Natalie is lying. He gets the dagger. And now we're all headed back to the castle. And they have a second to communicate in the Rovers. Before they go back into the castle, Rob takes it upon himself to make a pact with all the people that were playing for the dagger to not tell anyone. I thought this was a bold move, and I don't know that I would have done that if I were Rob. And for whatever reason, all the faithfuls are just trusting him. Let's take a look at Rob talking about this pact. Hold up, gang. Hold up. Hold on. Hold on. What are we doing? So, I trust you guys. I'm a faithful. I have the dagger. Okay. I want to make a pact that when we go in there, we agree not to tell anyone. Like, honest, bro, fuck, I'm going to get murdered. He's the one that has something to lose by it. The other people are not incentivized. Yeah, how does it help them? It not like a shield How does it help them to hide the fact that he has the power of two votes It doesn help them at all So I don get how it makes them look faithful I don get how it I wouldn trust him I wouldn't trust him. I would not trust this man. Yeah. If he would, he'd done this. I have the dagger, and I'll tell you what, if you guys keep it a secret I have the dagger, whoever we all agree on as a group to use it against, I will use it on them. Now that, that is a smart strategy. That incentivizes them to keep the secret. Exactly. So, I mean, but for whatever reason, they're following. Damn, Bob, that was good. That's really good. That's really on the fly, too. Let's go. I should be on the trailer. He's getting ready for the All-Stars. Watch out. Okay, it's time for a showdown. Let's talk about this roundtable. But this roundtable might have been one of my favorite ones so far this season. It was good. Yeah. It was really, really good. Lisa should have let people build a case against Natalie and then come in at the very final second and be like, And, by the way, I heard this thing. It's just like Eric. Eric let everyone build a case against Tiffany, and then once they were, like, on the edge, he came in and said, and just to really put the nail on the carpet. Push her over the edge. I heard her laugh. Right. If Lisa would have presented it like that, I think she actually could have swayed some more votes. I agree with you. I think, like, she was too little in the beginning, and had she positioned her attack better, I think she could have gone on the cross finish line. Everyone's pretty much headed toward Natalie. Colton turned the tides. He all of a sudden, you know, it's going to Natalie, and everybody thinks that, like, it's on Natalie, and then all of a sudden, Colton turns it to Lisa. Which is pretty impressive, I gotta say. Like, I don't know if he's actually on to Lisa or if he just got lucky. I can't tell. Let's take a look at this real quick. I'd like to talk about Jam Jam. I'd like to, too. And Natalie's like, I sure as hell would like to talk about anybody, I obviously now know, like, we could have 100% trusted him. And so my question, directly to you, is why in his last words to us, why would he go for you so aggressively? I do not know. I do not know. I feel like Colton did a pretty good job at getting everyone to look at Lisa. And then out of nowhere, Rob just repeats, almost verbatim the same thing that colton had just said i think rob's been playing good i think he's done a lot of things this episode that i don't love and i don't agree with you know starting from the dagger situation with the pack coming at lisa the way he is and i think in the in the turret tonight they're gonna they're gonna go at it when it's all said and done lisa has been banished and then you would think that colton would be like i got some good social clout they believe me again i'm gonna calm down he immediately goes no now on to steven we got no time i'm gonna stop where's my finger going who's it gonna be it's you colton slow baby slow down you do you know how getting Lisa was the best thing that could happen for Colton. Man, if Colton goes all the way to the end and, like, wins as a faithful, I'm going to tell you, man, it's one of the boldest games I've ever seen. I really hate that Candice threw that vote away. It might have been smart. It might have been a decent strategic move. It might have kept her hands clean. But I wish that she would have just stuck to her guns and voted for Colton. I have loved the way Candace has played so far. I hated that vote. Me too. I hated it because to me, it felt purely emotional, not strategic. And she was upset that Rob voted Felisa. And she just wanted to say, look, this is where I stand. She could have done the same thing later on in the turret and gave it to him. Once you find out that there's traitor on traitor violence, it's a wrap for the rest of you. When the pressure came on Lisa, she just wasn't able to defend against what happened at the banquet. And ultimately, you know, too many people were suspicious and it got her. I'm sad to see her go, but luckily for everyone else, we're going to be talking to her later in the show and we'll get her viewpoint straight from her. I'm so mad at the way that TV is TV because I don't want to wait until next week. I know. When they reveal those, they pull their hoods off in the turret, and Candace has the rage. Let me tell you right now. Hell hath no fury like a housewife slightly inconvenienced. Slightly. Just a little bit. And what she felt tonight was more than being slightly inconvenienced. I'll tell you that. But what you don't have to wait for is the opportunity for us to interview Lisa Renna. And we're going to do it right after this. Welcome back, everyone. We are so lucky to be joined by an icon, a legend, and as of last night's roundtable, a revealed traitor. She brought every ounce of her legendary dramatic flair to the most treacherous role in television. The fallout is just the beginning. It's Lisa fucking Renna. Hi, Lisa. Hi. Oh, my. What a wild ride. Lisa, playing a traitor is like a 24-7 role. It's different. And, you know, being in that turret all the time, was the constant deceit of being a traitor a different kind of pressure for you? You know, I think playing the two different roles, really, because, you know, you're a traitor, but you're playing a faithful. Right. So that's what was challenging for me. The deceit of it wasn't really that difficult. I knew you were one of us. I knew you were one of us, Lisa. Oh, I'm so one of you. I loved it. The very, very first time you all sit at the round table, you get a tap on your shoulder. That Scottish hand rubs across your Beverly Hills shoulders. What are you thinking? In my head, I go, oh, my fucking God, I'm a traitor. Oh, my fucking God, I'm a traitor. Oh, my fucking God, I'm a traitor. That's exactly my response. Take us into the turret, okay? You're in the turret, and it seems like y'all are getting along. You are communicating. You are an effective team. You're crushing it. They're crushing it. You are killing it. But somebody turned their backs on the traitors. What was that moment like? The minute you say, we are kumbaya, we're a team, everything's going to be great. That is the setup of life. And it was too good to be true that we were getting along and it was going along so well. So, frankly, I wasn't that surprised. But then again, while you're at the round table, you're like, that little fucker. You know what I wanted to ask you, Lisa? The face-to-face murder with Carolyn. She took it so personally. Do you guys have history? We do. I gotta say, that was fun. I have to say. Now, listen, I love Caroline. Why I had such a great time doing that, I don't know. Maybe it's the housewife in me. I just loved it. I think it's the traitor in you. Yeah, I think it's very theatrical. A little bit the housewife, but more the traitor in you. Okay, I'll take it. I loved it. It was so much fun. I want to talk about your amazing interest at the Black Banquet. And we want to watch it. And I know you haven't seen any of this yet, but we're going to play it for you for the first time. Oh! This is like the Super Bowl of murders. The diva! I am a lone wolf, but I love nothing more than to be the center of tension. It is going to be the most iconic banquet in Trader history. Lisa, I'll tell you what. The way that you tricked Jam Jam to touch the amulet, that was by far my favorite move so far. I thought it was awesome. Coming from you, that is quite a compliment. I mean, you're bold to do that, especially because you had heat on you. And actually, the truth is, you did it so smooth, you were actually never found out. They thought it was the kiss, and it was literally... So you actually ate way harder than anyone gave you credit for. Thank you, Bob. It's true. And I knew it, and it was so frustrating when Jam Jam yelled my name at the end, because I was like, oh, I knew that that amulet would look so fierce on that outfit. I had to do it, even though I had heat on me, even though it was going to be up to me to do the murder in plain sight. I had to do it. I knew I had to do it. It was my moment. And so, you know what? I took the risk. What are you thinking when Alan Cumming walks in with two antidotes after you've done the deed? The look on your face, you were pissed. I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? After the work I just did, now we have to do this? Lisa, when you're at the roundtable, like, talk a little bit about the feeling that you have. Like, it's super intense. We've all been there. When you get too defensive, that's the worst thing I think you can do at the roundtable. Well, we actually have a clip of it. Let's take a look. Last night, emotions were extremely high, and that might have brought the worst out of some people. But I think the best thing to do in this situation is to take emotion out of the equation. You guys think Natalie might be a traitor because of this instance. What would her motive be to make a spectacle of herself Especially when she already knows I saw that look What did she gain from this as a traitor other than putting a target on her back logic Lisa's like you fucking little question As faithfuls we are awarded nothing We have no guarantees We only have guesses I can't look at any of you and know 100% if you're lying to my face or not. But we have that with Jam Jam. The last thing he said, Lisa is a traitor. So, Lisa, how do you feel watching that? I do remember, like, this kind of pit in my stomach, and I was like, that fucker, he's doing it. He's going for it. Look what he's doing. He's literally doing it. That's what was going on. I wasn't that surprised because he already done it the night before. But I was pissed off. Who's more dangerous, a housewife or a Love Island pretty boy? I would have said housewife until I was with the pretty boy snake charm. Let's take a look at your exit. You had such a classy exit from the show. And you also got to show a lot of your humanity and your emotions. Let's take a look at that. about. First of all, I have absolutely loved being here with all of you. I never thought I could do this. I never thought I could last this long. What I'm going to tell you tonight is I am the most iconic legendary Oh my god. Trader! Trader! So classy. Look at the walk. Look at the strut. This one was very difficult for me. I know, it's so good. It was just so nice to be able to be me. I'm just so grateful for the entire experience. Do you have a message for Rob? Oh, Rob. Oh, Rob. Candace is coming for you, honey. She is coming for you, for me. Wake it up. Don't mess with the housewives. I found that out the hard way. Yeah, if you had a chance to go back and do anything different, would you? Let's be honest with you. I don't think I would have done anything differently. I really don't. I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea how to play this game. I'm all of a sudden a traitor. And I'm actually so proud of myself that I lasted as long as I did. You did great. I think you should be proud of yourself. Listen, I loved every second of it. I got the most attention. I love attention more than anybody. I think it was brilliant. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, Lisa. Thank you. You were so great. We're gonna miss you. It is that time of the show. Let me tell you right now, these traitors might be murderers, but these looks are killer. Let's talk about these looks at the Black Banquet. And for those of you who are just listening, if you want to see what we're talking about, check out our video version on Peacock or YouTube. I don't think that Kristen can do wrong. Kristen's wearing this beautiful red mock turtleneck garment. She looks stunning always. She looks amazing. Really pretty. She brings a lot of power to her looks. Yeah, beautiful. You know, Johnny Weir is bold. Yeah, I can't say that I love this, but Johnny, you're still a legend. Mark here is wearing, like, a tuxedo from the 1930s. Looks like something from Wild West. Off rip, Mark's hair is just so good. I mean, I'm jealous. Y'all know I'm bald. I even got a hair transplant surgery. I'm waiting for it to kick in. He does look good, though. Thumbs up. I mean, he's at the banquet. He looks like the waiter to me. Like, he could be serving, right? If you're not paying attention, you could put your plate for Mark and I'd have some more turkey. I'll have a cabernet, please. Thank you. Oh, my. Maura. Maura, this looks like Mugler. This looks like 1995 straight off the runway. She looks like a fucking model. This hat, she's got to be picking up at least 57 different channels on this hat. Like, she, I mean, this lady gets Wi-Fi. She looks amazing. It's like metallic. It looks like armor. She's ready to fight. God, she looks good. She's absolutely beautiful. I will give you that. It's giving posh spice from the old days. That's a compliment. But the dress itself kind of looks like C-3PO a little bit, right? Like straight out of Star Wars, the gold guy? Well, C-3PO is a fashion icon. Okay, well, then it's iconic. Great job, Mara. I love what Jam Jam is doing here. You can take a blazer and you can make it look really cool by just adding something and taking your shirt off. The white suit is good. the sheep tail rug hanging off the side, I wouldn't go with. I think that's miraboo or ostrich. I mean, it could be an ostrich, it could be a lamb, it could be a bunch of chicken feathers, it could be a lot of different things. It might be all those things. It might be. Natalie looks like a warrior. I mean, a lot of them are trying to, I feel like they're taking their, they're using their look to imply something. And Natalie, this makes her look strong, this makes her look powerful. I don't particularly love this look, but I love the message that it's sending. Lisa fucking Renna. I mean, even you can acknowledge, even this is dramatic. This is so epic. She looks so good. It's kind of giving anything goes meets My Fair Lady. It's this black and white, duo chromatic corset with these big poofy shoulders, these crazy ruffly cuffs on her wrist, this cute little sailorish type hat. I love this. I hate to admit this. Rob looks amazing. I never knew what they were seeing in Rob. I now see it. And I gotta be honest, I think- Hold on, are we on the right side here? Yeah. This is what you think is amazing? Oh, this is great. It shows his tattoos perfectly. Leave your overalls back in Alabama. I am normally a Candace Stan. She looks like the queen of the damned. I don't love this look. It looks like this headpiece is creeping down her neck and trying to kill her. I agree with that. And also, like, her hair is too much in the front. That's a good note. Yeah. That's a really good note. Maybe if she pulled it back, it would look better. But the headpiece is still ugly. But with the hair forward, it's too much. I'm proud of you. My man. I'm proud of you. Let's keep cooking. Alan is giving homage to his true Scottish culture. Alan's commitment to drama is so great. I got to tell you, he was very intimidating in this look. All right, who's your favorite of the week? My favorite of the week was the tribute to George Lucas, and I'm going with Star Wars C-3PO, Maura. Oh, my God. We have agreed again. Stop. Yes. No. Maura, you are the Traders Fashionista of the Week. Congratulations. Honestly, it's a better honor than winning the whole season. Well, you know, Bob, I could go on all night talking about the looks, but I think it's time for our final thought. Let's talk about what we think is coming next. This is the part of the episode where we both get to have the final word. First up, let's talk traitors and victims. If they don't kill Eric, Mark, or Steven next, I think they're fools. I want Natalie. Natalie is such an aggressive faithful. She got a little heat, though. She got a little heat, but, like, I feel like she got vindicated. Yeah, she did. So, I mean, now she's going to keep cruising. Colton needs to chill out. He really does. He really does. He's got away with so much. And you got one good win. Let it go now. Let it go. Let someone else do the heavy lifting. Ain't a big guy. You don't got to do everything, big guy. He's not going to. That's my prediction. I mean, he's already going after Steven. He's already going after Steven. Yeah, he's just... To large groups, by the way. It's never enough to bring one person. It's like, hey, everyone. Everybody, over here. Over here, I have an announcement. I'm talking about Steven now. You know what I mean? So, I don't know. I think Colton's short for this. He's not long for this world. I agree. After you and I drew first blood in the turret last season, There was no repairing that. Yeah. That turret was fractured, and it imploded. I don't know whether Candace and Rob can put their differences aside. Yeah. I tend to think because of history, no, but maybe they're bigger people. I don't see Rob backing off of his plan, whatever it is, and I don't see Candace letting go of how hurt and upset she is by him turning on Lisa. I agree. There was an emotional vote tonight, and whenever people are emotional, their decisions are skewed. She's going to have to get past that if they're going to work together. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for watching. Make sure to watch episode eight of The Traders, only on Peacock, next Thursday. And you can find us on The Traders' official podcast, dropping after every episode on Peacock YouTube. And you can listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss an episode. We'll see you guys. Bye. Don't die. The Traders' official podcast is a Peacock original produced by USG Audio and TH Studios. The series is hosted by me, Bob the Drag Queen. And me, Boston Rob. 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