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This is Exactly Right. People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From Exactly Right and Adonde Media, this is Too Faced, John of God. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote. I'm Melissa Malbranch. Today we're going to be talking about whether or not you should put your like, crusade in the dishwasher. You should not. Short answer. We're talking about all the cleaning ladies who are also cam girls, Pablo Escobar zoo animals, Punch the Monkey, Black Market Needles. An interview with Yoana from America's Next Top Model Cycle 2, the winner about the new documentary on Netflix and eNews. And all your questions from our DMs. Just a quick shout out. If you want to please watch us on YouTube, it's a great place to check out the show. You can see all the bronze room wearing that week. And if you like the show, like the videos, get online. I finally made social media pages for this podcast. So it really is me behind them posting every day. It's totally my goal. So it's not me. We can afford like a guy who does that for us. So it is me. So subscribe to Brief Recess on our YouTube channel and check out those videos. And feel free to leave comments. We really are reading the comments. Yes, we are. So check it out. Use the same pen every week. You tend to steal pens. But you did. You almost gave me the Haitian mother look. Yeah. Melissa does this face when she's about. Well, it's not. It's not. It's her imitation of her mother, by the way. Yeah. Who? My mom, I grew up in a household where you got your ass beat. And when she would get mad and she was about to hit me, if she was sitting, she would always wait. I'm going to do it for you. That's her bending down to get her shoe. This is her slowly bending down with this look. She would like with the eye contact. About to whip a sandal at you. Yeah. A slipper. It was always a slipper. They were called Bata. And they were like leather at the bottom and the top. And the song part of it was they came in like multiple colors. The ones that my mom used to beat my ass with were orange. Whenever I say something crazy, Melissa gives me the look. I bend down like this. She's about to beat me with a slipper. I'll get your ass. I'm like, I know that look. I know I'm in trouble. Let's get into a sidebar. Let's talk about what's going on. What's happening this week in our life. So many things. Yeah. Because I said something earlier because something's going on in the lighting in the studio. And I just have to speak to it because every time we come to the studio, they have a different lighting setup. And it's almost as if I looked hideous the week before is how I perceive it. Oh, wow. It was so bad last week that we actually, we flew in a specialist from Canada who created this new light fixture. He's going to finally know how to light you. So self-absorbed. So vain. It's all about you at all times. And you know what the other thing is, do you think, do you imagine, could I say this to Andre all the time when I tell him to wear something or try something? He's like, no, I'll look dumb. In what world does it make sense for me to tell Andre to wear something that he's going to look stupid in? Yes. In what world does it make sense that I let you go out looking like a nut job? That's true. That's true. Right? Would you let me look, and now I feel like would you let me look crazy? No, never. Can we pause for a little something? Yeah. I didn't get a chance to like light you when you were sitting down. Oh, sorry. I told you, but I'm not going to tell you. I knew it. We had to reset. I'm sorry. I am paranoid, but not sometimes the paranoia is right. Like a broken clock is right twice a day. I'm afraid for you. I'm going to get bronzer on the mic. We're good. Okay. So if you notice, the lighting is different. We had to break. Michael picked the hissy fit. I did it. Started throwing things around. Yeah. I threw a slipper. And now the lighting. But again, can you imagine? No, I know. You are one of the few friends who's like, oh my God, you do look great. And I look hideous. You will be like, take that off right now. Yeah. Or you'll be like, we got a, you've got something on your face. Yeah. Let's reset. Let's do a reset. What's that in your teeth? Be that friend. Be that friend for someone that at least have one person in your life who can do that. No. I mean, honestly, like especially we do stuff together. I know. And I wouldn't, I don't even think I'd be able to like look at you and not mention the thing that's not right. Be like, you know, there's a big black schmutz on your face. You don't have a poker face. Every thought is on. Don't ever go to Vegas. No. You'll lose because every emotion is right there on your face. I mean, I have been known to hold it back, but, but like, why should I bother with you? When someone's like telling you something insane, you are really good at just kind of like, yeah, tell me a little bit more. Why don't you do that? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. Then I'll get a text. My text from a list of something. This is what you say. Yo. Yeah. She says, why? Oh, and that's the text I get. It's never like, Hey, Michael, here's something that's going on. I know there's some fuck shit is happening when I get yo. And I'm like, drop everything. Here we go. The T is piping. And it's usually so the yo is like yo. I need to, I need to brace myself. So and so has said something that is so do you remember? There was a moment. So I don't know people, people must know this, right? You, Michael and I used to work together. And I remember we were reading something that somebody who is a professional writer had, do you remember this had sent us and I looked at it and I started throwing things across the room. I was livid. Like, I cannot believe that this person makes this amount of money. And this is what we've got. That's what we've got. I was so and Michael had to like talk me down. He was just like, Melissa, it's fine. We'll fix it. Now I'm like, I don't want to have to fucking fix it. That's her goddamn job. That's not really. I was so mad. She gets so yeah. There's other things you've been totally incensed by recently. Recently? It's the world. It's the world. But you, yeah, there are sometimes things and it's never with you. I've noticed this about you. It's never. Oh my. It's the roast, Melissa, our. It's not the roast. It is. It's the Dr. Phil show. It is psychologically. I notice what happens with you. What is it? It's never the horrific thing. And it's, and it's, it's not, it's not like headlines. It's always like the straw that broke the camel's back. Yeah. And you fixate on the one little stupid thing. Yeah. And you get so mad about that. And I know that whenever you're upset about that, it's because of the year of bullshit leading up to that where you weren't complaining, where you weren't saying anything. Where I was just choking it back. And then someone coughs and doesn't cover their mouth and you get out of Glock and the AR it, and it, it really is. It is. Yeah. Murder on the dance floor. Do you think that? And then she keys their car. Do I think what? Do you think that that is a tourist trait? I think so. I think so. I think so. You told me once you were like, I was mad at my dad for something and this was a hundred years ago. You were mad at your dad or I was mad at my dad? I was mad at my dad. And you were like, Michael, you have to say something because you and I are the same. We're both tourists. It's coming up on tourist season. Yeah. Buckle up. Our birthdays are two days apart? Yeah. And you said, you need to say something to your dad. Otherwise you'll be at the dinner table and you'll just explode. You'll do that service. What's her name? From housewives? Yeah. Where she throws the table? Yeah. Or Cardi B, what? Judith. Judith. Or Cardi B, what is the reason? Yes. Yeah. And you're right. You do just kind of have to say something. You do. But it is a tourist trait where we hold it in. I do hold it in. And we wait and wait and wait. And then it's that one time my husband loads the dishwasher wrong and he puts the like Hrsean. Melissa. No. Yes. No. Yes. No. And he's being brought up on war crimes at the Hague. Like, it's actually so bad. Okay. So now I'm wondering, what did you not teach him? Melissa, this is the state of education in America cannot be left at my feet. You can't lay that at my feet. I'm not going to lay all of it at your feet, but I am going to lay your husband putting in the lecousette in the dishwasher at your feet. And everyone learns in different ways, right? We have visual learners. We have people who need to be beaten with slippers. Brad, why are you doing that? I bring it up every time. And he says. And I'm like, it takes two seconds to wash this. Yeah. It's the size of a Buick. For sure. To put that in the dishwasher. You can't put anything else in there. It's a one night only engagement. We've got just the lecousette cycle going now and it's not going to clean it. We like burned macaroni in that. It's not coming out. That is an elbow grease situation. It is an elbow grease situation. The dawn that saves the ducklings from the oil spills isn't even going to be able to help. No, you need like a barman's keeper or whatever that one is. Yeah. Yeah, the barman's keeper. We need the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's a fabuloso equivalent. No. Okay. I had to tell Andre many times that he can't put cast iron in the dishwasher. But that is actually wicked. And he was just like, why not? He's like, it's nice. It takes the blackout. It comes out light brown. That's rust, babe. That's rust. He doesn't do it anymore. He's learned. He's learned. But it took a while. Yeah. The thing is, is that I think what's happening in our house is we alternate nights of dishes. So if you walk the dog, you fold the laundry and sort of get the bedroom ready. Okay. And if you do the dishes, you tidy up the living room and hang up the coats. So wait, why aren't you hanging up your own coats? Every night you switch. You're not going to answer me. No, I'm not. Okay. So you guys come in and just throw the coats on the floor. And you know what? I don't owe you any answers. I disagree. I'm asking you a question. You should provide me with an answer. During the course of a day, there's like the clothing chair. You don't have a clothing chair. It's the chair you throw all your clothes in bag. I have like a basket, but yes, it's the same thing. Thank you. No, it's the same thing. We're not throwing the, I mean, sometimes on the floor, but not, it's like the bench by the door we throw it. I mean, Andre, every, every day, every day. Hard cut to you and me in divorce court. Like the two of us are not going to, that's not going to make it. Well, I mean, it's not even, at this point, it's like, well, I just sort of like pick it up now. But Andre, underwear, socks, t-shirt on the floor in a pile, every single. Just to tears it off. You know what? And some days it do be like that. Whatever. And every day I... Some days you've got to rip your clothes off. If it's August, they're falling off of me. No, no, no, no, it's every day. Buttons be damned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's every day. I love that though. That is like, I think that's great. Do you? Yeah. I think it's so liberating. It's so freeing. It's very like upstate commune of him. I love that. It is very much like flower crown energy. Maybe, but I just think, you know, he think there's a magic fairy who comes in to pick up that's, oh, this is what I want to tell you. Sorry, speaking of picking up things, I'm sorry. It's all going to make so much sense. Okay, I'm ready. So I finally caved. Okay. And we have a cleaning person. You do? I love it. Support an immigrant community. Like, I love that. How do you know it's an immigrant? Well, that's actually great. Thank you for clocking my privilege. Not assuming. We had a white cleaning lady growing up, but wait, no, she was Polish. So she was an immigrant. So, yeah. Okay. So tell me not an immigrant. She is. Okay. Yeah, you fucking bitch. Fuck you. She is. But like, I just wanted to make a white man uncomfortable for a second. Well, I did. Because you know what? You need to be roasted. You all need to be roasted every now and then. And you know what? Catch me with the accountability. I admitted it. But yeah, it's so nice to like just have a clean place and everything is where it's supposed to be. So that's great. And also, you know, a friend of mine was saying, and you're also hiring somebody, you're helping putting money into the economy. All that is really true. There is a part of me, though, that feels guilty about it. Like, it's just the two of us and Arthur Weasley. There is no reason why the two of us together cannot clean our own place. So the guilt isn't about having someone clean up after you. It's the guilt is over. Like, you feel like you failed. No, no, no. The guilt is, why do I need someone to clean my home? I am capable of cleaning my home. I feel like I'm not going to do it very well. The apartment right now is as clean as it's going to get with my efforts, and it's not very clean. Is it not clean or is it messy? It's not clean. Oh. Like, I'm not like taking a Saturday to like scrub everything and mop and sweep. Like, I'm not doing that. So I think that's where that is for me. But for you, you're feeling like, I should be doing this. You're feeling like. I should be doing this. There are already things that I don't do. Like, I don't really do laundry. We send our laundry out and I don't even take it to a place. They come to my house and they pick it up and drop it back off. Do you have a feeling? Do you feel away about that at all? I feel great about that. Yeah. We had, okay, so in our old apartment, every time the cleaner would come and it was like once a month or every other month, the outlet in our bedroom was like always unplugged. What were they plugging in? And Brad and I were like, is she like filming in the bedroom or something? It was like. Is that content? I was like, is there? I don't know. I don't really know her. I don't know. She's a beautiful young woman. And I'm like, is she like filming? Is she like a cam girl? What is happening in the bedroom? And so I called Charmaine. Who knows everything? She's just like, I just have one of these friends who's like fucking Wikipedia. She's just good. She was like, you're such a stupid idiot. She's like, she's got to plug in the vacuum. I was like, oh yeah, that does make much more sense than she's moonlighting as a cam girl in my bed. Like she's just like, she's like, you know what? Slanging and banging while in my bed and then cleaning it up after. But why did I think of that? Like, why did you think she's the vacuuming dust? It was always in the bedroom. And then I was like, oh right, there is only. But instead I was like, what was she doing? It was sultry. Yeah. We just had Boomer Banks on last week. What was she doing? He was so nice. But then I was like, you're right, there is only one outlet in the bedroom. And she probably just wasn't plugging the lamp back in. That's so funny. People who didn't do what John of God wanted them to do, they usually disappeared. John of God was once Brazil's most famous spiritual healer. But in this limited series podcast, we uncover the darker truth behind his global empire of faith and fear. From exactly right and Adonde Media, this is Too Faced, John of God. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get into your algorithm is showing. What's going on? What is it in your feed today? What's in your feed? We've been talking about my feed a lot lately. We've been talking about your my feed. Have you seen Punch the Monkey at all? Has this like hit your feet at all? You were obsessed with the baby hippo. I love hippos so much. Melissa was obsessed with what was the name of it? Fiona. Fiona. Her name was Fiona. But you didn't see Melissa's face if you're listening to this. I've never seen like such empathy and like. I have empathy. Heart felt warmth come on an expression from you. That's not true. It's not that it's uncommon. Yeah. It really shown through when you said Fiona. You went Fiona. The shoe gazey Koi moment. So just generally I like hippos. I think they're really cute. She's like, okay, so more about Fiona. Yeah, but no, no, no, I just generally I like hippos. I think they're cute. I am well aware. They are. I am well aware that they're not very nice and that they kill you just because they can. And they move really fast. What? Same. Right back atcha. You're talking to the woman who kicked a man on the subway and you're talking to her. He kicked me first and he had it coming. Let the record reflect. He knows what he did. He knows what he did. But yeah, so I just happened to like them and then there was like this new one that was born and she was so cute. She was so cute and chubby. She was so cute and chubby. Her little ears would wiggle. And their slimy little skin. It was very cute. It was very cute. I don't even think the big hippos are cute. Oh, I think they're so cute. They're just really nasty. Did you know that Columbia, sorry, Pablo Escobar had like a whole zoo had a whole zoo. Yes. And they didn't know what to do with it. He imported hippos. And then when she got back to Pablo, the hippos got loose in the wild in the jungles of Columbia where they are breeding like rabbits. Yeah. They're changing the infrastructure, the ecosystem in Columbia. The local people now have done this thing where they're making money off of this. They have tours Pablo Escobar's hippos. Oh my. The hippos are killing people left and right. It's bananas. Oh my God. I'm kind of all about it though. I would, I would, I would do that tour. That sounds kind of cool. I know, but they're not indigenous to Columbia. So it's actually really bad. Is it really bad for the ecosystem? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not like one of these like, oh, they're eating a little bit more. And apparently I think I read, I could be wrong, but like their scat is really toxic for the area. Oh no. I don't know, but whatever. That's what I read. And it makes me worry because it's like, there's really only one solution to that. You know what I mean? And I don't think it's like where, where we're air lifting hippos out and like placing them in zoos. I don't think that's how, that story ends. And so there was this movement to get rid of them, but the local, the people of the area who have now started to make money off of this, they like, please do not do this. He will send us directly back into poverty. Really fascinating though. Interesting situation. I know, I know. But did you imagine like, oh, I think I'm just going to get a zoo and I'm going to get a, I'm going to know his orchid. So punch the monkey. Okay, sorry. It has gone viral. Okay. And I already ordered a shirt. It's okay. It's going to get here in four to six weeks. It's being hand-abridged. We talked about it already. Let me see what this says. Go ahead. Look up the monkey. So he's very cute and he is being bullied by all the other monkeys at this zoo. And I believe it's Tokyo, right CJ? Yeah, that's true. Okay. Let me just say this. When you Google, I was like, what is this? When you Google punch the monkey and it comes up, Google sends hearts with a monkey in it. Did you know that? No, there's a lot of support. Did you guys know that? I don't think so. I didn't know Google could do that. Neither did I, but it just did it. Wow. I'm so weird. You know what though? I got to tell you, my cousin Erica loves monkeys. I don't know where this was going. And we talk about this all the time about how I don't like monkeys. I don't like monkeys. I'm not like a monkey girly. They look too much like people. I don't like that. And like once they turn around, they've got like gross butts. They've got like a baboon butt. The baboon butt. I think the baboon butt is especially when they're in heat, I think. What? I think, I think, I think, I think, I think. How do you think David Attenborough could narrate that into like a fun, cute moment? I think, I think that's what it is, but I'm not sure. The baboon. When the baboon bump. In heat bump. He would say bump. His boom. Right on his bum. So I, so punch is getting bullied by the other monkeys. Apparently two days ago, he was making friends and fitting in. Okay. That is really, that's actually reassuring because it has kept my household up at night. Brad is deeply invested. Punch the monkey finally accoled by his peers after private was abandoned by, I don't know what the rest is. The way the live coverage, it's a live feed. Oh wait, wait. We've got Christiane Aminpour being lowered into the monkey tank. These are the questions that people ask in Google. Is Punch the Monkey okay now? Will Punch the Monkey be okay? What's going on with Punch the Monkey? What is Punch the Monkey? I'm here to answer all your questions. He does. I'm sure he does. So he was being bullied finally being accepted, it sounds like, but before then he had a stuffed animal that he was self soothing with. So we won hearts and minds around the world. And the zookeepers were sort of, and the zookeepers would come in to feed the monkeys and he would jump on the zookeeper's shoulders to kind of like, because he didn't have any friends. He needed a cuddle. He didn't have any friends. Yeah. So that's been hitting my feed. This is very sad. Go ahead. Now I'm looking at it. God damn it. See, now you're really invested. No, but it's sad. Like looking at him sort of like cuddling with his plushie is weird. It makes me feel sad for him. I saw one tweet that was like, I know that plushie smells ripe. Disgusting. Disgusting. It's how it smells so bad. I know that thing smells nasty. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah. My niece has been asking me to get her something, this like viral squishy toy. It's like a stress ball, but I forget what it's called. Is it big? It's called Michael Rude. Oh my God, I bet it's the toy store. I'm trying to get my niece this freaking stress. Wait, there's like a line. It's like a beanie baby line to get these stress balls for kids. They're called like something dough, D-O-H, knee dough and E-E-D-O-H. And the kids are going wild for them. And so my niece texted me she wanted one. So I've got a local toy store in my neighborhood that I was going to anyway to buy a gift for someone. So I was like, oh, hey, do you have the needles? The woman rolled her eyes in my face. Did she scoff? Scoffed. Yeah. Like I had just asked her for the hope diamond. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, what? Like I was just Google. I didn't know that they were sold out. She was like this poor simple bitch. No idea. She was like this stupid. And then she spit on me. She said, get out. You had it coming. And I was like, sorry, I didn't realize. And she was like, you don't understand. The phone's been ringing off the hook all day asking for the knee dough. She was like, it's only five dollars. It's basically a stress ball. And I was like, OK, well, can I get one? And she was like, look, you clearly have no idea what's going on in the world. Right, right, right. You're clearly so focused on Punch the Monkey. You don't know anything about what's happening in my world of children's toys, sir. And she said, why don't you come back tomorrow with cash? Before 1 PM, she said because the kids at the local public school get out for lunch around 12.45, one o'clock. So she said, get here before them with cash because there's going to be a line out the door around 12.45. So you should go there before that. She said, you need to come here before then with cash because the FedEx guy arrives between 11 and three. So you can come back around 11 and try and see. And she wasn't willing to hold one for you. So I was like, oh, you know, did you try? Yeah. And no dice. No dice. Wow. And I mean, she's got ethics and scruples. Scruples. Good for her. Rarely hear the word scruples anymore. We could people don't have them anymore, Michael. Scruples. So it's so it's a Shakespearean. There was a Hamnet. There was a trashy novel I read that was called Scruples. And I think there was a made for TV Tolstoy. No, no, no, stop. No, no, no. Stop. How dare you don't wait. Hold on a minute. Let's put some respect on his name. Tolstoy. So which size does Maddie want? If there is a there's a big. Well, that's the thing is I'm going to get whatever I can get my dirty little hands on and there's a. And then she's going to be like, I don't know about that one. She's like, that wasn't the one I was looking at. So, you know, I'm going to do my best as the fun uncle. Yeah. And we're going to see what happens because I did call this morning and the woman took the phone off the hook at the toy store. So clearly someone's people are harassing her. She's like this bald lawyer keeps showing up and bothering me. So we're going to we really are going to see where that goes. I know there's more important things in the world. Well, of course. But it's so rare. And it was actually like kind of fun throwback for me waiting for like a Harry Potter book when I was younger or waiting for a beanie baby to drop or. Did you have beanie babies? I was a beanie baby kid. How many beanie babies? Did you have a lot of them? Not like a lot, but I was like really excited. It was like, you know, we would get excited about the shipment coming in. Like would the new beanie baby drop? So it did kind of bring me back to the joys of my youth before I was a hardened criminal before this life of crime. And, you know, this before you got jaded. Yeah, this sort of hard knock life. Skruples is a bestselling 1978 novel by Judith Krantz. It follows the glamorous life of Wilhelmina Billy Winthrop, the the owner of a high end Beverly Hills boutique exploring themes of fashion, Hollywood and romance. And there were two. I think there were like two made for TV movies about this. In 1978, I probably read this book when I was like 10, I should not have been reading this book. Yeah, a lot of petticoats get lifted up. Well, it's. Blushing past. It's past. A lot of blushing cheeks. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Women smell like lavender. Let's bring back petticoats in the word, Skruples. I think that's our take on from today. I think if I start using Skruples in court, actually, I know one judge that would love for me to use words like. You should. Yeah. He's always commenting on my beer. So I have appearances before this. Yeah. Every time. Why is he commenting on your face? Every time I see him, he's like, oh, you shaved. Like, oh, you shaved like what a refreshing change. It's just an observation. And he's it's never like good or bad. It's an observation. Counselor, you have a beard. And I'm like, yes. I noticed it's on my face. Yeah. So we're very friendly. You and this judge. Yeah. But I did kind of have to throw down the gauntlet on him a little bit this week because it was it was today. It was this morning. OK. So basically in America, we've talked a little bit about like bond proceedings and how like people are just like languishing in detention centers. And basically judges are saying like we don't have DHS. Trump administration are like making up rules where it's like, oh, if you're in this type of category and if you carry the one and if you're wearing red on that day, you don't qualify for bond. Right. And it's just like this weird like back of the cereal box maze that they're kind of creating. But the judges, a lot of judges are like, oh, they're just kind of. I wouldn't say blindly, but they're agreeing. And saying, oh, well, I don't have jurisdiction to sort of rule on bond anymore. And so what I've been trying to do is because I have scruples, I've been trying to get them on the judges on the record saying that they don't have jurisdiction. And then I'm like talking my hair behind my ear, tossing my hair. Just like doing the hair for a nice blank, blank, blank. Just like a nice blonde boy from Long Island, beard or no beard. Why don't you have jurisdiction? I don't get it. And they're like, oh, well, because like this rule. And I'm like, oh, OK. And then I'm like, so if you don't have jurisdiction to rule on bond, I guess I'll file a writ of habeas, I guess. Like, I don't know. This is my first day. I don't know how to do this. Control on to lead. Like, I'm not sure what do I do? And they're like, yeah, like, I guess if you wanted to file a writ of habeas in state or in federal court, like you could do that. That is like what some counselors are doing. Meanwhile, I've read the entire practice manual on how this works. It's written by the ACLU blasts out practice manuals when they're developing case law. And so I know exactly like what we're supposed to join them. Like, oh, judge, for that hearing that I'm going to have in federal court, could you maybe set an alternate bond so I could tell that judge if it weren't for your jurisdiction problem, you would assign this bond amount, but you can't because you're not going to rule because you don't have jurisdiction. Give me like a plan B. And does that work? Sometimes it works. So sometimes they're like, oh, yeah, sure. If we did have jurisdiction, it would be $2,000. OK. And then I go to federal court and I'm like, it's $2,000. They said it's 2000. I got him on the record saying alternate bond is too grand if he had jurisdiction. So your honor in federal court rule in our favor that he should be released and I can get him out for two grand. I already got him to commit to it. So that's how like the ACLU is advising, practicing immigration attorneys to handle immigration judges who are like, I don't have jurisdiction. So there's a little bit of insider baseball. Yeah. But it is like I'm kind of having fun. I'm kind of enjoying it. Well, because you like messing with people. Yeah. Yeah. I love just and it's legal strategy. Like, it's not even like being a shady bitch where I'm like manipulating people like I do in my everyday life. But then I'm in court and I get to say it's legal strategy. Oh, that's really nice. So it's really fun to, you know, abide by the rules and assert. It will be in your favor. A certain legal strategy in the courtroom and then go back to my life where it can be a manipulative slut. And you do that very, very well. Yes. Yeah. Speaking of your algorithm is showing. I feel like, I don't know, Timothy Chalamet getting canceled for the ballet opera. That actually they're like mopping up his mess. And someone was saying that it cost him the Oscar. Well, OK, here's here's the thing. I saw that. But I also think when you say that that cost him the Oscar, I think it takes away from the person who actually won. Right. Like the idea, the idea that. Timothy Chalamet was never on my mind for an Oscar. So especially not for Marty Supreme. So it's really interesting that you're saying that that has not hit my algorithm almost at all. I don't even know what it's about. I was at an Oscar viewing party and my friend, someone had to explain to me what it was. It's about ping pong. OK. And I said, that's all I need to know. Yes, seriously, that's all I need to know. I said, thank you so much. Where's the where's the crudité? I said, please pass the charcuterie board. Thank you for the charcuterie. What does Oprah say? I love charcuterie. Do you remember that? She's like, I love it. But yeah, Timothy Chalamet, I don't know. We're getting. It's I just I just don't care. I don't. Do you know what I'm saying? Like in the like not in a way that I host things. I just not on my radar. You don't hope he dies in a fire. No, I don't. Me either. I'm just like, yeah, it was. I just don't care. It's given his. It's given flop. It's given flop era. I think. And also, I will say, Dune 3. How many dunes do we need? The Dune books don't get better as they go on. Like the first one was fierce. I bet the first one. Great. Third one. Huh? Why? Oh, like, like it does get a little bit more wicked and wild. So I feel like. I hope whoever the screenwriters are taking. No, they're not. I hope they're taking. I doubt that putting their spin on it. No, I doubt it. Yeah, giving her a glow up. Especially if it's the same. What I find is that. Many times, not every time. So calm down. But many times when there are like sequels of things. Yeah, it just becomes more watered down. The more we get into it. And now it's like, I'll say this. It's what was it that I watched? Oh, Masterful Beasts or whatever. And where to find them? Fantastic Beasts. Somewhere to find them. Yeah, I went into that full on Harry Potter person. Really excited about it. I watched it. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Don't know that I needed it. Yeah. And I'll go even further with the play. Oh, the play. The Harry Potter on Broadway. Oh, God. So when I when I wanted to go see it, it was the two day thing. It was the two days. But I didn't do the two day. I did like the all day. Yeah. I will never get that time back again. Never get that. It's a multiple days of her life. Multiple days. And again, remember. She's getting paid hourly. Well, no. But you know how much I love those stories, right? So I wanted this to be good. You were looking for the. I was and I decided, you know what? I'm going to go by myself. Yeah. This is going to be a Melissa day. Yeah. No, that Melissa day was. Yeah, I was deeply disappointed. Yeah. Yeah. So just because something is good. Yeah. Doesn't need to. We need to like the dude. We have to make the. Are you into the whole like ensemble cast on audiobook now? Oh, you know what? Somebody gifted me the first one. And I I listened to it and I did not care for it. Like. I think. And so Timothy Chalmay took clarify his statements were that ballet and opera. Are like dead or like irrelevant. Yeah. That was like sort of what he said. And then he said, oh, I guess I just lost one percent of my followers or something. So cavalier and Matthew McConaughey's face. That's the thing. That's the clip that I saw when he's looking at him and he's just like. Oh, shit. This guy is really. Oh, just let him take his. Yeah, I'm just going to say he's like, I'm going to be Paul Atreides now. All right. All right. We're going to have Matthew McConaughey in June four because Timothy's contract is about to get. Yeah. Well, because now not only have you offended like a community of people, you offended a community of people known for being fucking dramatic. Right. So like good luck to you, sir. Good night and good luck. Bon chancre. You didn't you didn't offend the quiet librarian. No, you offended the opera singer who's known for yelling, belting out the notes and who's on TikTok. You're toast, man. I don't know. It just made him seem more irrelevant. Do you know what I mean? Like you already is not somebody that I cared about. But now I'm looking for more reasons to not like you because you're dumb. And because you're saying things as if you're relevant. Right. You're saying things as if everyone's like, what? What's Timothy's opinion on this? Well, oh, I can't add Adam a film festival a couple of years ago. He was like, oh, societal collapse is in the air. And I was like, what? What are you talking about? Is he a scholar? Are you just anyone? What? Anyway, let's take a break. We've got a guest coming up. Welcome back to brief recess. This is under oath. I'm so excited. I'm a huge fan. I'm very happy to have Yohana from an extraordinary modeling career. She's very well known in the modeling industry. You may know her as the winner of Cycle Two of America's Next Top Model. She is right now being featured in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. It's America's Next Top Model e-documentary that was released at the same time as the Netflix documentary. So thank you so much for coming, Yohana. We're so excited about you. Thank you, Michael. I'm excited to talk with you and Melissa. Yeah, it's nice to meet you, Yohana. Nice to meet you. Thank you for coming. I thought it would just be really interesting. I mean, this is a legal podcast, but we cover everything. Everything. Pop culture, news, everything that's going on. And I love being on social media. So we have so many things that come up on my feed. And you were definitely one of them. I mean, like the things that are going on right now as there is this like reckoning moment in America. The history of America's Next Top Model and really reality television in the 2000s, right? In the arts. So I thought it would be so cool to have you and welcome you to the show. And we really just want to like talk to you and get to know you and hear about your experiences. I want to ask, I think it would be best if we start before you are. OK, sure. Because you have a long, incredible modeling career and it wasn't like it began with Tyra Banks, right? Yeah, that's true. I think there's a little bit of a misconception that I identified all of my modeling career from being on the show. But no, I actually I had lost a significant amount of weight because I did want to break into modeling. I was at university of studying international relations. And I had a chance to kind of test Duke testing in Miami with a few agencies. And I got discovered by Ford models and they had given me a yeah, they'd given me a contract. But prior to that, during the week that I got the contract, I got the call to audition for the show. So I haven't signed it yet. And I remember telling Michelle Mock, who was the casting director, hey, I have this model and she was very like, take it or leave it. You want to come on the show? Great. But you can't, you know, I can't tell you what to do, but we don't accept models that have signed contracts to come on this show. So I did the audition and that was a very thorough long process. And I decided, well, you know, at least if I try out, I'll have a broader reach. I also thought there'd be some sort of mentorship and great experience and kind of like somewhat of a boot camp. And I thought, well, I can come home to at least a contract waiting for me with four models. What was that like then? So you went on America's Exxon model, you won, spoiler alert. It was not. It was a while ago, so no spoilers here. You won your season. What was that journey like? Do you feel like after America's Exxon model, this was that was the right sort of path to take? Did you have this moment where you were like, that's what I was thinking. Like I was wondering in hindsight, if you had to do it all over again, is there any part of you that wishes that maybe you had gone ahead and stayed with Ford or do you feel like, you know, you were at the right moment at the right time and being on America's next top model was the good thing for you to do? I think it's hard for me to even answer that because I come from Jacksonville, which is kind of a small town, but a big city. And I was really sheltered. And so I feel like my ultimate goal was to live in New York City and to work as a fashion model. And I think, you know, I might have stayed in the Florida market and gradually progressed. But in hindsight, I think the one take away from the whole experience, I'm not I'm not I don't deal well with celebrityism. And I find because it opens the door to a lot of coolness. And it's very hard for me to even kind of take a risk to at the time that I was getting offers to go back on reality TV. And I really just was adamant about staying the course and being a fashion model and also growing in television. And that's really where my I guess you could say I was able to break out of the debt that incurred after the show. I wasn't expecting a lot after the when what was going to happen or what was going to have to be on my shoulders. And it really was eye opening and it kind of had to navigate how to be a businesswoman. And so after you won the show, walk us through what that experience was like, right? There were certain promises we're hearing all over the Internet. We're seeing all over these documentaries that really what was billed as Tyra was going to be your mentor. You were going to get these modeling contracts. You were going to get signed by these agencies. This was your career was pretty much guaranteed, right? We're really learning now that that is not necessarily what the takeaway was, or at least that promise not necessarily that that all of that was promised that you were going to be a superstar if you won the show. But they weren't also dispelling that rumor or letting the girls know like, hey, it's really going to be up to you, your celebrity, how famous you are, how far you make it in the modeling industry. That's really going to be up to you and whether you're an entrepreneur or not. Well, yeah, I think that discussion hadn't even happened. I just remember coming off the show, you go away the way for six months. I was still nannying. I saved up all of my money and I knew I was going to have to eventually move to New York. I didn't know the day they announced me that I had to live in New York. So even navigating where I was going to live. Yeah, that's crazy. And on that same day, you know, getting getting established with an agency that, you know, that was the contract I won. It was only for one year, but I stayed for several years. And it really was just a right to work. But where their empty promises, a thousand percent, there was, you're going to be doing this, you're going to be doing that. So in my mind, I kept building up, oh, great, now I'm going to be self-sufficient and I can take care of myself. They're going to be introducing me to this client and to that client. And they have a lot of pull because of their record. You know, I don't want to throw names out there, but, you know, certain people are very recognized. And I thought, okay, they're going to want to, they're going to want to introduce me. I'm going to make introductions and I'm going to work hard to prove myself after this. And ended up being where I just felt it was more about being a jockey for the franchise and having to constantly do appearance after appearance, after appearance. And I was getting billed for all those appearances in regards to hair, makeup, car services. If there was a flight or a delay and I was, I was shocked. I was shocked that, you know, maybe being so naive and trusting that I thought I would have gotten taken care of by the network. But no, it was all on me. And that was separate from what was the debt incurring with the agency because I had to rebuild my whole portfolio. They couldn't use any of the images from the show. And so I had to do it. Interesting because it's all owned by the network. It's all owned by the show. And I think it doesn't really sell a model because you have to be so toned down. So that day when I signed, I went directly to go shoot with some of the world's like greatest photographers and I was having to incur, which the testing fees and that would be the branding for the agency. So that was, that was a whole separate debt that I was incurring. And then I was having to figure out how I was going to maintain living in New York while doing all of this. And a big part of the shock to me was with all the appearances, I did have work coming in, but I wasn't allowed to take some of the jobs because I was indebted to the franchise and they got seniority over me being able to work. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. So just for people who are listening, maybe don't understand. So you had signed this contract to be on this show. It sounds like all these terms were in that contract. You're going to do all these appearances. It's going to be at your own expense. We get first right of refusal for any, if you book a gig and we have you booked at that same time, they could kill a deal that you got in market because you had already signed that contract. I had two great deals that were like in the works and they were like, I'm sorry, but you have to go up here. And then I started becoming really angry because I thought, okay, first of all, how am I going to be able to afford to maintain the title of America's next top model when I'm not even able to take some of the jobs that they're offering? I can't even just take work that any model could get a gig. So after you win, is that when you sign a contract for the year that's ahead of you? And did you get an opportunity to show that contract to anybody else? Or did you, and you know, and being young and naive or whatever, did you just sort of sign it thinking that I should trust these people? I have a, we have a funny thing because you, you're an attorney, Michael. I think anytime you're like, I'm going to get an attorney to look at this. Well, if you're going to do that, you're ungrateful and you don't want this job. And so it was very like, oh, crap. Like, okay, so I remember, I remember signing onto the show and if you won and the fine print was there, however, I do not recall anything in regards to appearances or how many. And I'm not talking three, four, five, six, seven, eight. No, it was like getting into the dozens. And, you know, but also going on onto the show, doing all these red carpet events, doing charity events, doing step and repeats for the network. It was like, I mean, in hindsight, it was just so many. And then, you know, and I'll be honest, it was overwhelming. I didn't have the clothes to support the appearances. I didn't have the budget to do that. And a lot of the fashion houses did not want to lend to a winner of America's Next Top Model. Sure. Why do you think that was? Because you were on an earlier season, the sort of campiness of the show. Hadn't they really leaned hard into the insanity, right? I think at one point we have images of the models, the contestants walking down a runway where there's like a clock pendulum swinging, like knocking girls off the runway. There was like a runway challenge where they're on a treadmill in Aidan Shields. Like they really got truly insane camp with it. There was another runway that I remember where it was on water. And the models had to sort of the steps were on water, but they were like wobbling. Yeah. And they were, these girls were in high heels and they're trying to. And what I remember. It was fear factor. Pretty much. But what I just remember looking at that and feeling like, and, you know, and Tyra and all the other judges were like laughing and giggling. And, you know, it felt very mean, like mean girl to me. Well, I think they prepped us for the Wild Wild West of the Internet, didn't they? Yes, they did. Yeah, that's right. They did. And I'm kind of like grateful for, you know, what I took away from it, which is navigating, not giving so much energy and, and a response of a negative confrontation. But, you know, it also made me stronger in regards to the business side. But yeah, it started becoming where it was. They were definitely humiliating the girls. And I didn't watch it after my season because of that. That was my main reason. I didn't want to see girls being humiliated. And I thought that as the seasons went on, the more of the shoots were becoming more and more outlandish and ridiculous. And they didn't really translate into the fashion arena. So, you know, I kind of just felt a little bit jaded for what they were doing to the rest of the contestants and the hopeful. I think the thing what people don't understand, we I wanted the right to work and a lot of these girls on and we're so naive and we're so trusting that we're like, OK, this is going to be this is really going to help us have a further reach. We're going to have more opportunities. We're going to be able to be self-sufficient. And it just, you know, I came at a cost. Yeah. Yeah. So you won your season. You had this experience. You you really managed to build an incredible career after winning your season. It sounds like against all odds. Oh, the odds were high. Well, also when I won, there was no social media. So there was no fact checking to know what I had been doing. Yeah. There was no way for people to be like, oh, look, she's at this event. Or oh, that's the 50th charity event. Right. Right. Yeah. In the same dress. I know. It's kind of great. But no, I am. Yeah. One of the one of the I did do a lot of fashion modeling during that time in New York and I traveled worldwide. I had a cosmetic campaigns. I did a lot of fashion commentating and reporting. And I had my own Shawnee networks and I had multiple specials with the Lour magazine. I did the Vogue Beauty TV. I mean, the list was really insane as far as broadcasting. And it was at a time when I think the only other model at the agency was Heidi Gloom, who was getting into television. So they really did believe in me and doing that. And then when I had left New York, I had my son. I did so much modeling, much more when I moved to Florida, because I asked the market for what I who I was expanded. And it was and it was amazing because I did catalogs. I booked QVC and home shopping network opportunities. I had at least 30 covers within the first two years when I moved back. I did like campaign for Waller-Prestoria, like a bunch of hotels, a lot of luxury. So when people say you should have hustled, you should have had a career. Honey, I was working my ass off. Sure you were. Of course you were. I was working hard. You want to let me ask you a question before before you were on America's Next Top Model and you had signed with Ford. When you imagined yourself being a model, what did that look like to you? You know, that's a great question because in the time growing up, we were in the 90s. So that whole era of like chic and photography and the quality of fashion, as far as was so fascinating to me. And I think putting forth the effort of like really wanting to belong and having that fashion background. I think ideally at that age, I just wanted to break away from the intensity of studying international relations and have a little bit of fantasy. And I loved being behind the camera. I loved I love I love not being controlled by a schedule. So I felt like being able to travel, having working around artists, working around creatives is something I've always enjoyed. I'm very free spirited. So I like someone picking up the phone, a manager, a booker saying, hey, you're booked on this, you got to leave tomorrow. That to me is what makes me feel exciting about life. So I think I think that was it. And I also think I looked up to the top models. Like Stephanie Seymour to me was like who I wanted to become. But my own version, you know, and of course, yeah. So yeah, so it was really taken back. And I just I fell in love with the whole ideal of just like being a part of that group. So after America's next top model, were you paid as the winner? Was there a prize money or what was that like? Oh, sorry. Oh, Yohana's laughing. Oh, no. No, that makes me nervous. I was not paid. Oh, no, honey. I went in the red. I went in the red. I went in the deficit. I went in debt and I broke out of the debt and here I am today. That's incredible. Congratulations. Yeah, that's amazing. OK, so walk me through these documentaries. What is sort of happening right now from your perspective? Because we're seeing the clips, they're sort of like dueling documentaries. We're seeing the clips. It seems like Tyra and her team wanted to preempt the current one on E by dropping a documentary on Netflix from Tyra's point of view. Right. And I mean, this has been meamed to death. Sure. But there are so many images of Tyra not taking accountability, putting the blame on other people, showing that she was just really complicit with what was happening to the girls and that, you know, what was being sold to them was a faulty bill of goods. Right. So then we have the documentary that dropped that you are a part of with E. Tell us about it. Walk us through it. How is it different from the Netflix one? What is going on? Like it really is dominating the news. Yes. Oh, my gosh. People are people are getting really heated about it. Sure. And what was so by participating, what was your goal? Right. But by being in this because documentary. Because you've gone on to have, like you said, this really wonderful illustrious career. And this is a long time ago. And you had said that, you know, one of the things that you didn't really love was like that celebrity celebrity. And so I'm wondering what the goal was by participating in this doc. Oh, gosh, that's a great question. So I know about both the docs simultaneously at the same time. And I was approached by Glass Entertainment Group. And that's the one that did the eDoc. Officially, it was going to be on a separate network streaming platform. But I think because the two had separated however, whatever happened. And I did. And I did know about Netflix. They had I essentially they said it's best to you couldn't do both at the same time, even though some of the couple of the girls did. But I heard initially that Tyra had not signed on to do the Netflix, that they had reached out to her and she had heard about the documentaries and her team. I they said they couldn't get a clear answer. So I guess eventually she committed to the Netflix. And I and I do believe from seeing it, I think it was on the premise of hopefully getting people to tune into Cycle 25. I think that was the goal. And I feel that the one of the main reasons that I came out to talk about my experience was because. This show has been packaged and sold worldwide. Yeah, over 150 countries. Wow. The same practices are still happening. The same production, the same sort of exploitativeness of what's going on. Right. And at a certain point, I'm a mom now. I have a teenage son, but like I wanted to also come out and protect hopeful, naive, young people who are thinking this is going to be the solution to their dreams and their goals and hopes. And I just wanted them to know, like, hey, the ones in charge are making the money. Yeah. And I think it was an opportunity to come out. And also I couldn't talk about what I was dealing with 20 years ago because I wasn't ready to deal with it. I had a severe exercise disorder after winning the show. I, you know, became so tiny to the point where, you know, it complicated a lot of things in my health. And I felt like that was also something I wanted to come out and share and be very vulnerable and help a young lady or a daughter or a mother who's dealing with the same because it's not a topic that really gets discussed, especially in fashion. It's a lot of it is behind closed doors, but they do not want it to come to surface. And so I thought it was an opportunity to also kind of set a lot of people that are struggling with the same things that I was free. Yeah. So take us through this documentary. Tell us a little bit about it, what you talk about, let people know what is going on in there. Yeah. So this particular doc, I think they had brought a couple of the winners. I do think there's a lot of cultural critics, which is good. I do think they gave a lot of perspective of the era of when I was on the show and kind of what their interpretation of Tyra is, which I thought was very harsh, especially if they don't really know her that way. I think it's all just assumption. And I think it was it was also interesting for me from the Netflix talk, hearing other contestants and other winners and their stories and what they had gone through. And I think a lot of people vacillate with how positive it was and how negative it was. It's almost like we were in a cult. So I feel like sometimes they go back to kind of apologize to the main, you know, the main cult leader and then they go back and they said, no, but really it wasn't that. I don't know. It's a very strange dynamic seeing the contestants and then them kind of shying away from from their truth. And then well, it's also like you also said that like you went into debt just afterwards. It would in my mind, I'm thinking, OK, if I won that show and I went into a bunch of debt and then there was an opportunity to kind of kiss the ring, maybe get a deal, maybe get a contract like it makes sense why people are maybe sucking up to Tyra, trying to get their own thing going with the network. Like I understand it, right? A lot of these women have been put into a position of vulnerability. Just by virtue of being on that show, people don't want to work with them, maybe, or they're already kind of, you know, we're part of reality TV. I think it's it's interesting culturally to watch what's happening, right? I mean, and many of the girls came from a place of poverty before the show. Right. And then went on TV, got all this attention and were lowered back into their community without any support systems. Sure. And I think a big part. I felt a lot of shame with the debt, partly because, you know, my father was a physician in my hometown and my mother and they had their practice. I didn't want the stigma of like having a daughter who they were so proud of. And, you know, being in the small town and the way people talk, you know, and coming back with a tail between my leg. I mean, I was like, I'm going to work the hell out of this debt. And I did because I wanted I didn't want to let my parents down. If they wanted me to come home, they my mother had had enough of the whole setup. She said they're taking advantage of you. This is ridiculous. I don't like what they're doing with you. You know, you don't see it, but we see it as your parents. You know, come home. They do know. Mom's know. Yeah. And she kept saying, come home. And she goes, we know you're not telling us what you're really going through. And and I wasn't. I was hiding it. Yeah, because I and I wanted to stay in the game. And I also I wanted to work and I was so proud of the agency I was with that I just decided, you know what, Yawana, this is going to be a lesson. You're going to you're going to take this as a lesson. You're going to navigate it and you're going to do the best you can. But I do think it derailed a little bit of my mental health. And that's why I think it was so hard on myself with my body image, for sure. Of course. I mean, sure. Because here you were in front of people who are supposed to know more than you, right, because they've been in this business and. Instead of it sounds to me instead of building you up, they were sort of building you up to bring you down somehow, right? Because if you if you were the idea is I'm going to be this model, but they're not giving you the opportunity to work. It's it's almost like you were this indentured servant. You know what I mean? Like you were having to do all these things, but you couldn't, you know, make your career go forward in the way that you wanted to at the time. I did want to ask you a question. Sure. Have you seen Tyra Banks in recent times? And if you did, what was that like? And if you haven't seen her, what would you like her to know about you? Or what would you like to say to her? Have you seen her since you won? Oh, yeah, I saw her a bunch since I won. OK, I'm very different in the sense that. Gosh, how do I say this? She she travels with the team and I get very uncomfortable with people who have on parishes. It's something that I've I've had to work through with. And I had to sign an NDA so I can't say who. But that's something for me. I find very uncomfortable to be around. And, you know, I did get invited to go on her talk show several times. And, you know, I was paid then to go on to. But, you know, I just take it for what it is. And I think a big part of it is she's not my buddy. She's not someone I'm going to pick up the phone and, you know, talk about what we're making for dinner tonight. Right. I'm not I'm not really an odd her, I think, away a lot of people are. I have other people that I look up to. And I think, of course, for her, it's just, you know, she was an extension of a part of my life. Who knows? Maybe if I'm down in the land down under, if I see her, I'll say hello. But, you know, I don't know. What? OK, so you went through this whole experience. You now there are these documentaries. What as you reflect on this part of your life, what is your takeaway? Like, what are you sort of saying to yourself and to people who are maybe watching these documentaries, formulating their own opinions? Like, what do you want them to know? I think we've done a good job just spelling kind of the myth of what it is to be the winner and what really happened and just the economics of what goes in. I mean, I can't really assume what people are going to walk away with, because I feel like if I try to get into their heads and I did do that after the doc, I was like, I'm going to fight these people online. And I'm going to. And then I thought, you know, but I'm going to turn into into them. I don't want to. Yeah, like you're like, oh, so then I come to you on TikTok and I laugh and I'm like, I don't, you know, I felt like I stopped replying because it just became where you would see so much positive. And then it would be people just attacking and going for it. And I'm like, where is all this emotion coming from? But I will say there is a rumor that there is PR crisis in the mix. Yeah, I would I would be shocked if there weren't PR. Sometimes I look at the comment, I'm like, who is this bot? What is it? What was this, you know? I mean, because like you said, the like the house always wins. Right. And this is a 150 country franchise. This isn't just Tyra. This is a machine that we're talking about. So I mean, there's there are people freaking out in a conference room somewhere as we speak, I'm sure. Of course, of course. I mean, I think that the idea was to sort of. Try and explain away what had happened on the show. But now here is this other documentary that is giving what happened on the show from the perspective of the people who were in the trenches. Right. And I like what you've done. Honestly, I've been watching how you've handled these interviews and how you approach it. A lot of people are, like you said, giving their opinions and judgments of the situation. You have always been really matter of fact of just the facts. You're like, this is what happened. Here are the here are the words. What you do with it is up to you. Right. Which I appreciate because there are. There's a lot of opinions popping in the car. Oh, gosh. And they're so emotional, I feel. And I wanted to come from a very calm matter of fact place. And I think that's why I was one of the main voices that Glass Entertainment said. And I said, do I come across complaining? And they said, no, you're just very matter of fact. I said, I just wanted to be matter of fact. I just wanted to cut through the fantasy and give the audience. I mean, the title is America, right? So don't they have a right to know what really happens after you come off of a show like that? Like, and I think a big part of the aggression, I think, is because they I think when you. Disclose or you share something that is uncomfortable from what they believed in their mind or what they thought what they witnessed watching on TV or their perception of what they think the fashion industry is really like. And a lot of these people comment and haven't ever even experienced the business of being in fashion. I feel that really is what triggers them because they don't want to look foolish. They don't want to be like, oh, you're making me look stupid. I have this belief in my mind of how it was supposed to be. And now you're putting the little pin in that balloon and stuff. That's that's what that's what I take away from everything. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Well, is there anything that you're working on right now? You would like the listeners to know about. I think they can check out the documentary if they haven't already. But anything else you want people to pay attention to as we're working on this? I'm still I do I do a lot of traveling workshops and I'm also affiliate now at Tiktok. So I am I'm with the Russell Hartley team. So amazing learning the whole world of Tiktok. I know you're you're far more advanced than I am. So Michael is prolific and Tiktok. Yeah, I think it's amazing because you just do it so organically. And I really like that. And you're like, oh, yeah, I love listening to you. Thank you. You're very kind. And people ask me that a lot. They're like, how do you have time to like curate your Tiktoks? And I'm like, honey, I'm not curating it. It is filmed in the bathroom like it is like I'm running out of corner. I'm doing this and doing that. And I really am just switch switching on the camera. So thank you. That's kind of you. Yeah. How did you choose immigration law? It really chose me. I mean, I've been practicing. I practiced criminal law. I've been at law firms before. But once I kind of got one client and then it really snowballed from there. And there really is a huge demand for immigration law for lawyers who know how to do that work. So once you kind of specialize and kind of get to know it, it gets. I love it. You just get really busy really quickly. And next thing you know, you're not working on those contracts or real estate deals anymore. I will tell you that I remember when Michael started doing immigration law. And we remember he was like, he's like, you know, I feel like I need to do something to help somebody. I was like, go ahead and do that. And I remember him telling me about it. And, you know, I think one of the things about Michael is like he comes. Somebody was asking me about this. Look, is he really that way all the time? The way that you see him on Tik Tok. And I was like, yes, but Michael is very thoughtful. And he he does really think about what can he do to help somebody do something. So it's been as his friend, it's been really nice to sort of watch him turn into this this person over here. It's true. It's true. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. But like that's I think people don't know that about Michael. Like he one day was just like, I need to do something to help somebody. And it started like one. I think it was like one case. Yeah, it was one case. It was that kid. Oh, that kid. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a kid who was just like the coolest kid ever. And I love him so much. And I was like. And now he's almost a grown man. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been a while. It's been a while. I love that. No, it's great. It's wonderful. Thank you so much. I'm so glad we got to chat with you. I know. I hope you got the right answers. No, no, there's no right answers. Yeah, the right answers are whatever your truth is. Yohanna, do you want to give us your social so we can put that in? Sure. So I'm on Instagram. I'm Yomania and that's Y-O-M-A-N-I-A. And then on TikTok, I'm Yomania, I think zero two. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Take good care. It's nice to meet you. Bye-bye. Take care. Bye-bye. Let's get into tales from the DMs. We've got some incredible DMs. Incredible? Incredible. Incredible. People, y'all are absolutely. Y'all said, you know what? Hold my drink. I'm going to pop a handstand and to work and Michael's DMs. The things y'all are sending me is so insane. And let me just say this. I love it so much. Yeah, I was going to say he loves it. He's living for it. I'm on the spin bike laughing. I'm like looking at the things I'm like, you're killing me. Y'all are killing me. Anyway, before we get into the DMs, friends, what do I always say? While Michael is a lawyer, he is not your lawyer. Get your own. Oh my God. Okay. So first of all, I just have to jump in really quick with this one. Jump in really quick. Hey, Michael, I hope you see this message. Oh, I saw this. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Guess what? I saw it. Uh-huh. I'm one of those annoying cancer survivors that push trauma on others. Okay. We're really happy you survived. Self-awareness. Yes. And also, yeah. Yeah. I really need you to get the evil spot on your forehead checked. Okay. That's what they say. That's what you just said. I know you're smart and kept it together, but it reminds me of a tiny spot of cancer I had to have removed, keeping who you are. But can you get this looked at, please? Okay. Are you going to? So thank you, forehead talk for getting in my DMs. Where is this little spot right there? Okay. Yeah. It's this. Getting close. Get in on my close. Sure. Because we can, we'll actually do like a right to left reading of my forehead, like a palm, because over here, and I will do it. So this is it. This is a broken blood vessel that I had checked in January. And like this is to clear the record. Our doctor? Our doctor. Our shared doctor. We go to the same dermatologist. I love him so much. And we keep each other accountable. So like, thank you for messaging me this. This is a good PSA reminder. It's always better to have like a cancer prevention, girly bestie where you hold each other accountable. So like, I have a friend, he and I go to the boy doctor and we remind each other to just go get boy stuff checked. Okay. And that's all I'll say. Okay. It's boy part related. Like girl stuff. Yeah. Like, do you have a girl from where you're like, Hey, did you got your exams? I'm the most annoying person in my friend group. Like, you got to get your boobs checked. You got to go to the gynecologist. These are very important things. Yeah. You know, what the pap smear is named after Dr. Papa Nicolau or no, Dr. Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos? Yeah, PAP. It started so they didn't want to do his whole name smear. So they just did PAP. How do you know that? What's his name? He was, uh, I know his cousin. Okay. Yeah. Listen, good for you. I know. And that was like his flex. It was like, it was like his flex. Get your own flex. His uncle invented the pap smear. I was like, okay, here's anyway. So this is a broken blood vessel and this over here you might have seen last week. I scratched my head with my bike helmet. Okay. So. So he's okay. From the eye down. We're not sure. So we are doing a reviews, which we love. Thank you so much for doing that. It actually really does mean a lot to us and we're going to read some because you guys are hysterical. Here's one. Um, I kind of stumbled into listening to this podcast, but I'm so glad that I did. Not only is it incredibly informative in these wild times, but the host has such an amazing and comedic chemistry like so good. It almost makes me want to crawl out of my introverted shell and find friends. Almost. But until that moment of bravery, bravery happened, it is truly enjoyable to kick back, enjoy their banter and learn something along the way. Highly recommend. Thank you. That's so, we appreciate that. Um, yeah, um, I, I like it inside personally. So I'm not mad at you for staying inside. You like it inside? Okay. Stay inside. I do like it. Yeah. I do. You know that I like it inside. I'm out in these streets, but I'm also in the house. No, I'm, I'm definitely more in the house. Yeah. Unless it's in a state sale, which should someone else's house. I went to an estate sale this weekend. I did. You're so light. I know. Oh my God. I think the reason why I like it inside is because, um, Jen, Jen X was always outside and no one gave a shit and nobody ever knew where we were. Till the street lights come home. Come on. That's when you're due. That's when you have to be home. So I like it inside. Hey, Michael Melissa. Hi. I was looking for some help because I was summoned for federal jury service. It's a 12 week case from May 11th to July 31st. And if I'm chosen, I'd be sequestered for the duration of the trial. Part of me is like super excited for this. And I kind of want to be chosen because this is such a cool side quest. And like, it'll feel like summer camp, no phones. And like, I'm living for this like courtroom drama and tea, but I'm really worried about paying my rent for the duration of the time I'd be serving, especially because it's over two full months. I work two part-time jobs and they don't pay for jury service time. And especially not for a case that's so long. I'm also turning 25 and like I only have so many hot girl summers left. And I don't want to waste a whole pride month when I'm hot and single. So I just want to advise on how you think I should go forward because I filled out an excuse to be dismissed and they still said I'm considered eligible. I was also curious of what you think the case may be. My friends and I thought that it could be the Rob Reiner case. But we were wondering if you had like any inside tea of what's happening in California federal courts soon. Oh, she's in California. I was going to say. OK. OK. So I don't think it's the Rob Reiner case because it's July 31st. I don't think he'll go on trial for at least another year or two. Like that's way too soon. Am I just like first response? It's Nick Reiner. Oh, yes. The Reiner case. Yes. Oh, my God. And I keep mixing up that name. And I did it on TikTok and everyone in the comments was like, how dare you? Yeah. Rob was the dad. Yes. Nick was the son. Yes. And truly how dare me? Yes, I should have victims' names right. Anyway, I think that's too soon. I love how messy you are, though. And it really makes my heart sing that like you are someone who's following this show and listening and sending in your message because you sound adorable. So I'm so excited. That you're a fan of the pod. The the fact that you're thinking about the number of hot girl summers you've got left. That is dedication to the whole life. I'm so proud of you because the hot girl summers, you only get so many. And it's what you do with them that counts. I don't know that hot girl summer means that she's dedicated to wholeness. I think that is so easy. And we're not shaming anybody, but hot girl. Right. Not equal. Yeah, that's true. You could do like a hot girl in like a bonnet or a or a habit. Hot girl is like some might say. A state of mind. Some might say whoopie Goldberg and the sister act and sister act two back in the habit. That was a hot girl summer. Maybe. So you never know. As far as that. If you are in the sisterhood, you can just let us know in the comments. But I do want to talk a little bit about federal jury service because you don't get paid. OK. You get paid $50 a day. OK. And let me just say as like I have my stepdaughter is your age and as feeling like I'm going to be your bonus mom as well. You already said that you're working two part jobs, two part time jobs, which I think is sort of what you need to do in order to keep yourself alive. I don't know that your desire for messiness is sort of the way to go this time around. I think that once a messy girl deep down always a messy girl, there will be time in the future when you are established in your career where you can afford to be off for 12 months. For sure. It won't be fun. You're going to get called to jury duty a bunch in your life. Yeah. And the cases are I mean, if you're going to trial, it's usually because there's like a real critical issue that needs to get litigated. Ninety something percent of cases settle. So the fact that you're going to get called and eventually serve on a jury, it's almost always going to be messy tea. You'll write that tell all. It just wait until you've got a stable gig and you can be a salaried employee who takes a week off for jury duty and they cover your ass for you. The only other thing I want to say about jury duty is just because you qualify for jury duty and they're telling you you're qualifying doesn't mean you're seated on a jury. You got about five more steps before that happens. So you got to go. The case actually has to go to trial. You got to sit there and wait. They have to interview you. They've got they've got preemptory strikes. There's so many things that happen where you can explain and articulate. You're working two part-time jobs. You cannot be sequestered for 12 weeks. Right. You're going to be on Skid Row on the bread line. Yeah. So you'll have an opportunity to tell a judge and tell the lawyers and hopefully likely get out of jury duty. Yeah, you can you you truly doesn't sound like you can afford to do this right now. And as far as things being like messy and fun, I was on a federal jury duty once and it wasn't fun at all. And it was actually really boring. Oh, I got called for one and it was a building bricks were flying everywhere and killing people. No, this the one that I got in was just like this guy tried to rob a garage, a parking garage. And he took the attendant and he put the attendant in the trunk of the car that he stole and drove him across state lines. And that's why it was federal. Melissa, that is so interesting. It wasn't. I mean, it wasn't. I mean, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. You were like some guy got a free Uber ride. So why? No, no, no, no. No, it was. Oh, so it was. It was the nine days before Uber, but it just took forever. And I remember thinking, I really thought it was going to be more exciting. Like that's so. Maybe it was because it was your hot girl summer. You were missing out on to deal with this guy's trial. I know. OK, thank you so much for writing in. Please keep sending it. You truly bring me so much joy and entertainment throughout my day when I take a little of a brief recess from court and read your DM. So thank you so much. This is brief recess. We'll see you next week or in court. You won't see me in court unless she's on your jury. You don't want that. This has been an exactly right production recorded at I Heart Studios, posted by me, Michael Foote and me, Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ Ferroni. This episode was edited by Nicholas Galucci. Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker is Patrick Cottner. Our theme song was composed by Tom Briefeogel with artwork from Charlotte Delarue and Vanessa Lylac, with photography by Brad Obono. Brief recess is executive produced by Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hartstark and Danielle Cramer. You can find me on Instagram at Department of Redundancy Department or on TikTok at Michael Foote. And I'm on both Instagram and TikTok as Melissa Malbranch. 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