The murder of Larry Ortiz

This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023 but what if we didn't get the whole story the moment you look at the whole picture the case collapsed what if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe oh my god, I think she might be innocent listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Campsite Media. Third floor. Going up. It's a foggy morning in the winter of 2025 on the Texas Gulf Coast. I'm at the Brazoria County Courthouse in Angleton, the county seat. The courthouse is in a big, brand-new building, probably the nicest one in town. Maybe the whole county. We're looking for a cop. Lieutenant Jeff Mink, Brazoria County Sheriff's Department. You met him a few episodes back. The Ortiz case, I was the ranking supervisor in CID over the case and helped work this case through. We mentioned the first time you heard his voice that you'd hear more from Lieutenant Mink later. This is later. Were you familiar with Larry? I lived next door for many years. Well, I don't know, probably six, seven years. You lived next door to Larry? To the father, yep. Well, of course he did. This is a small town. He used to come over to my house. We used to have a little parties at my house. So, yeah, I was kind of familiar with Gabe, you know, working in law enforcement. Literally, the second I had, I didn't have a whole lot of dealings with him. But, you know, I'd see him come around the house. Okay. You can hear Lieutenant Mink is a little nervous here. Before we started recording, he reminded us that criminal investigators don't usually sit down with reporters to talk about their cases. Having a microphone propped in front of him, at least when someone else is asking the questions, it's not something he's used to. That said, he knows this is not a typical case, considering who the victim is, and more to the point, who the victim's brother is. Call it a professional courtesy. So could you start by just walking us through the crime? You know, what actually happened that night? How, do you want me to start that this was an Airbnb rented? Okay. Airbnb rented by the Ortiz family. They were staying out there. The next day, the cousin was going to have a quinceanera. They were going to be attending. Stay with us. Lieutenant Mink is going to get more comfortable with the microphone. But I should note before we continue that another reason why this interview is a little unusual is that Lieutenant Mink is talking about an ongoing case. Two of the suspects, Richard Horn and Guadalupe Navarro, have already pleaded guilty to murder and have been sentenced to 40 and 75 years respectively. But the other four have pleaded not guilty. And as of this recording, they are all still waiting for their day in court. We've reached out to all of their lawyers and all of them declined to comment. But police and prosecutors have a narrative that links all six to the crime. This was a poorly planned drug ripoff gone horribly wrong. No one was supposed to die. And Lieutenant Mink is going to break it down, beat by beat, how investigators identified, tracked, and got murder warrants for six suspects accused of being involved in the killing of Larry Ortiz. From Campside Media and iHeart Podcasts, this is a Brothers Ortiz bonus episode. I'm Sean Flynn. So it was really early Saturday morning when we got the call. I was the supervisor on call for CID. CID is the Criminal Investigation Division. And we're fast-forwarding through things that, if you've gotten this far, you already know. To recap, on the last weekend in January 2023, Larry Ortiz rented a beach house to spend time with his family. They arrived on Friday. Early the next morning, Larry's adult son, Larry III, returns to the beach house with his friend Lucas and two women. A few minutes later, three people with guns and masks kick in the door and demand money and drugs. They allegedly pistol whip third. Larry confronts the intruders, and Larry gets shot. Lieutenant Mink picks it up from here. I get the call being notified by a patrol sergeant that, hey, we've had a home invasion with a homicide. I got up, started getting dressed, and then I started making phone calls to get additional investigators en route. Lieutenant Mink already knows, just from dispatch and the radio chatter, that there are a lot of people out at the beach house. With that many people on scene, I would rather have more investigators there. I arrived on scene. I get a description from patrol, you know, of what has taken place so far. Me and investigator Aguilar, we do a walkthrough, kind of got the lay of the Airbnb. And then we kind of broke it up. My investigator Aguilar would work the scene and myself and investigator Vargas would be conducting the interviews with the family. They find out pretty quickly that Lucas and Third brought two women back to the house. Investigators also found out pretty quickly that those two women had driven there in a white sedan and that they're already gone. Every witness there told them that the women left right after the intruders. You know, this being an Airbnb way out and pretty much in the middle of nowhere in our county, it's not a typical robbery spot. But so it had to be some connection there. Quick detour. Can you tell me about Brazoria County? Because I've written about crime in a lot of places. And in talking with Gabe's family, it seems a little more normalized. The crime stats have actually gone down this year, believe it or not. The last couple of years, crime stats have gone down for our county. We've upped our patrol. We've got a special unit now. We'll swamp an area that's, you know, if it's hitting, we show any kind of marks. It's all data-driven now. Of course, you know, we're a fly-through county, too. Highway 35, we got traffickers that are, you know, they're running stuff because they don't want to run the main roads going through Houston because they know DPS and everybody's watching those roads. So they try to take the back roads, and we've got some back roads coming through our county. Has there ever been a murder on Treasure Island? Not that I can remember now. We've had some shootings on the beach over the years during big holiday weekends, those kind of issues. But for the most part, there's some nice beach houses, nice boats over there. there a county park that well used you know it a it a favorite fishing spot and you know it know it a nice little area And that one of the things that made this case so unusual Treasure Island does not get a lot of crime. But back to the night Larry was killed. When Lieutenant Mink gets there, Third, Larry's son, is a mess. Of course he is. His father's just been shot to death. So Mink zeroes in on Third's friend, Lucas. We thought that let's pull Lucas out of this situation and get him away. Maybe we can get some clearer information on these girls. For the record, and just to be super clear, Lucas was never charged or implicated in any way in the death of Larry Ortiz. If anything, he is a victim here. But when Lieutenant Mink is interviewing him at the sheriff's office, away from the chaos of a murder scene, Mink doesn't believe he's being as forthcoming as perhaps he could be. But he gives up enough. We got the username from Instagram. That kind of got us rolling down that track. That Instagram handle was the key that unlocked everything else. Once we got the username, there was a group of us sitting at a conference table like this in our CID that were, as information was coming in, we were running it. And one of the rangers got on social media, found her username, was able to get her identified. The real name of this suspect is Alina. But a funny thing happened while that ranger was scrolling through her Instagram. Stuff was being deleted and removed from Instagram on Lena's site. Stuff, in fact, that appeared to link her to Lucas and Third. So investigators know they're following the right trail. And that trail, it turns out, is very well marked. Between social media, ubiquitous private security camera footage, a couple of lucky breaks, and arguably some stupidity, Mink and the rest of the team are able to reconstruct the entire night. Let's start with the social media. Did Lucas, I mean, he must have had some contact with her, at least online, prior to that night. I mean, Lena and Lucas had kind of ran into each other at the clubs up in Houston. That's Selena's friend. Ainsley. Ainsley, in an interview, relayed, you know, that she had been at a couple beach parties and knew Third. So that night, the night Larry was killed, Third and Lucas connect with Alina on Instagram. By complete happenstance, those women are very close by. They set up a meet at Bar and Grill in Freeport. So they went to Bar and Grill in Freeport. A short time later, Lena and Ansley arrived there. Bar was about to close, so the bar owner wouldn't sell them alcohol, so they left that location. They were going to an apartment to smoke some weed, but the apartment only had a couch and no furniture, so they decided, let's take them out to their B&B. So he takes two girls and an idiot friend back to the family beach house. Yeah, well, alcohol played a part in that. You know, it gets late at night. Two boys have been drinking. And then, you know, a girl they know hits them up on Instagram. Oh, yeah, hey, okay, now we're going to finish our night good. You know, I think that's what the thinking was. and then went out to the Airbnb, which was out on Treasure Island. It's a pretty good drive. When they left Freeport, they actually, Lena had to stop and get gas for her car, so they pulled into a Buc-ee's and got gas, which gave us some surveillance video on that and got us a timeline. People don't realize or they forget just how many cameras are constantly watching. silently making a record of everything that happens in their fields of view. And that allows people like Mink to go back after the fact and recreate events. And that Bucky's tape gave them more than just a possible timeline. When they pulled into the gas station, Third and Lucas both, they turned around and came back. And so we saw them there together. They have video of the car, a white Toyota Corolla. They have the plate number. It's not registered to Alina, but it is registered to a woman who lives at the same address as Alina. Third pulls out of the Buc-ee's. The white Toyota follows. They went down the highway. There was the Circle K right there at Bluewater Highway and 332. We got that surveillance video. So we have the vehicles pulling up and making the turn onto Bluewater Highway going to Treasure Island. And then not too far behind them was the silver car. This is now a third car, the car the intruders drove, a 2007 Silver Buick. And this is where some luck sped things up a bit. When we ran the plate, that car was pulled over that night by Clute PD, approximately an hour before the homicide. Oh. So in that, Horn was identified. That would be Richard Horn Jr., who later pleaded guilty to shooting Larry. There was a record of his name as the driver in the traffic stop. But the Clute police were wearing cameras too, making a visual record. And then we saw the female passenger. And she had a tattoo, and she was identified. We were able to get her identified as Bala, it would be Navarro. There's also a passenger in the back who would later be identified as a guy named Marvin. So you got these two girls, and then you got this other car following them. Yeah, it's a honeypot scheme. You know, you send two pretty girls in, and they case. They give inside information, and then the crew comes in behind them. This is the point where the stupidity comes into play. So they were pulled over by Kluke PD? Correct. Before the murder? Correct. And they still went through with it? Correct. Even more bizarre, more amateurish really, is that this crew wasn't from Brazoria County. They'd come in from parts west that night. Based on the text thread, investigators believe that 3rd and Lucas weren't even the original targets that night. I think the original plan kind of fell apart. And, hey, this was our backup. In other words, they were making this up on the fly. winging it very late at night with very little information and ignoring some of the important information they did know. Remember, Elena was texting from inside the beach house about who she saw. In the group thread, Elena even talks about the kids being in there. I would have thought, you know, they would have probably called it off at that point, but they didn't. Their decision-making that night was, to say the least, extremely poor. I just don't think they understood who was in that house. Larry was going to protect his family. I mean, who's going to sit there and watch their kid be beat? Or have this go down in your house? he was going to protect. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 2023, a story gripped the UK, evoking horror and disbelief. The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history. Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict? A villain? A nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong Listen to Doubt The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. NLP, aka Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. its crazy cast of disciples, and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. had both been assassinated, and Black America was at a breaking point. Writing and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. to be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to The A Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. At this stage, they have the names of most of their suspects, and they already have probable cause to get warrants for two of them, Alina and Ainsley, who, again, have both pleaded not guilty. Remember when that Texas Ranger was scrolling Alina's Instagram and saw posts being deleted? That could suggest a few possible things. Like, maybe she left a murder scene without reporting a crime. Or maybe she was tampering with evidence. Now the cops just have to track them all down. Once we got Horn's name and ran Horn, I found out he was on parole in Victoria. I called his parole officer. Well, his parole officer said, well, he just moved to Seguin. You'll need to call here. Call here. And it just so happened when I was talking to him, He was there to register his new address, Insigne, and his new point of contact, Wallopio Navarro. He's there when you call? Correct. When I called the parole officer, I told him to slow roll this as much as you possibly can and see if you can go out there and tell me what vehicle he's in, because I wanted the car. I needed that car. Mink is really hoping Horn is driving that silver Buick picked up in the surveillance tape. The parole officer checks the parking lot. No silver Buick. But now they know where Horn is living. We have his address now. We'll do some surveillance. Now we got Navarro identified. We got Horn identified. We got an address. We got paperwork. We got the search warrants. We had a search warrant for the trailer that Navarro and lived in. And Seguin, a search warrant for the car. Yes, the car. The silver Buick that Horn didn't drive to the parole office. Police had found it. A license plate reader picked it up in San Marcos, Texas. As for Alina, the Toyota she was driving was registered to an address in Richmond, Texas. Local police were keeping an eye on that, too. In late January, when they had a warrant for Alina for not reporting a felony, police pulled the car over. Inside with Alina was her boyfriend, a fellow named Kirsten. He was 21 years old, and he was wearing an ankle monitor because he was on probation for robbery. He said he knew nothing about nothing. We had no idea that at that point that Kirsten was going to be as pivotal in this as he ended up. We didn't know that at that time. The night of the killing, Alina had been texting throughout with two people. Big 3E, later identified as Richard Horn, the shooter, and Baby Ape, who turned out to be Kirsten. But police don't know that yet. They don't have anyone's phones. And this is just a guess, but probably none of them. Kirsten, Alina, none of them were worried about that. After all, Baby Ape's last text that night was, delete group chat. If only it were that easy. Digital information doesn't vanish just because you hit delete. This is a complicated investigation with a lot of moving parts in several different counties. But for investigators, their ducks are all in a row now, so to speak. On February 5th, search warrants are executed simultaneously on two locations. The trailer in Seguin, where Richard Horn and Guadalupe Navarro live, and in San Marcos, about 20 miles north, where that silver Buick is still being watched. And we didn't even know everybody was in these locations when we pulled the trigger. We got it. We executed the search warrant on the trailer, which I was at. They were taking the car down in San Marcos. We just hooked the car up, put it on, got a record, flatbed record, and said, we need you to drive it to three and a half hours back to Brazoria County because when we had a unit fall on them, we collected that car. Back in Seguin, they're securing the trailer. Called them out one by one, handcuffed them, and then we split them up. Lieutenant Mink interviewed Guadalupe, while another investigator focused on Richard and Marvin. Marvin, who, again, has pleaded not guilty and has not been convicted. There was some dope trying to be flushed, some evidence. The three were all arrested for tampering with evidence and placed in jail there. We found gun boxes in the trailer, so those gun boxes had serial number tags on them. So we started running the serial numbers. Teal blue, little handgun, it was a standout weapon. The sky blue handgun was purchased by Guadalepin Navarro at an academy store. That had been a curious detail from the crime scene. reports that the short woman with the mask had a blue handgun, like Tiffany blue. So with that information, that got us a little bit further. We dropped a search warrant for Kirsten's phone to get into Kirsten's phone. He had given us the code. And once we got into Kirsten's phone and saw all the... Deleted texts. All the texts, this chat. then that put pieces together. So that gave us warrants on everybody. Marvin, the third person allegedly in that car of intruders, he was already in jail, having been arrested for tampering with evidence during that February 5th search. Not quite three weeks later, police had warrants for the other five suspects that they executed all at once. Kirsten and Ainsley were picked up near Houston, and again, they both pleaded not guilty. Guadalupe was arrested at the trailer in Seguin. Richard wasn't there, but they knew where he worked, a tattoo parlor, where they held him until Gabe Ortiz, Larry's cop brother, could put his own handcuffs on him. The only one that slipped through was Lena. Lena slipped through on us that night, but they went to the media. We released it to the media that she was wanted for murder. Tonight, the Brazoria County Sheriff's Office is looking for a woman connected to a deadly shooting. She ended up turning herself in that Sunday. China's Ministry of State Security is one of the most mysterious and powerful spy agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. This MSS officer has no idea the U.S. government is on to him. But the FBI has his chats, texts, emails, even his personal diary. Hear how they got it on the Sixth Bureau podcast. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question, of his life. And that's a unicorn. No one had ever seen anything like that. It was unbelievable. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts In 2023 a story gripped the UK evoking horror and disbelief The nurse who should have been in charge of caring for tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history Everyone thought they knew how it ended. A verdict, a villain, a nurse named Lucy Letby. Lucy Letby has been found guilty. But what if we didn't get the whole story? The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapses. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast, Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we follow the evidence and hear from the people that lived it to ask what really happened when the world decided who Lucy Letby was. No voicing of any skepticism or doubt. It'll cause so much harm at every single level if the British establishment of this is wrong. Listen to Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. NLP, a.k.a. Neuro Linguistic Programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain. It's about engineering consciousness. Mind Games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a New Age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all? NLP might actually work. This is wild. Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. It's 1969. Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. And Black America is at a breaking point. Rioting and protests broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia, at Martin's alma mater, Morehouse College, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history, Martin Luther King Sr. and a young student, Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution, I mean, people were dying. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a Black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should. And it will blow your mind. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So six people are now in jail. Five of them are charged with murder. Everyone except Marvin. They don't have quite enough to connect him. They think he was in that Buick when it was pulled over by Clute police the night of the killing, and they think he might be connected to a gun that was used that night. But he wasn't on that group chat, and no one's made a proper ID. Unfortunately for the police, Guadalupe was mad at her boyfriend, Richard Horn. On March 6th, she sent a message from jail that she wanted to talk to Mink. She was worried about being away from her daughter. She wanted to cooperate. Mink asked her to start from the beginning. The beginning, for her, was that she and Richard had been fighting a lot lately. They got here, and, you know, she had absolutely no trust in him, and it sat back there and simmered. And Navarro came in and talked. And she docked and laid it all out. She put Marvin and the Silver Buick with them, put him in the beach house, put a gun in his hand, told Mink that Horn kicked in the door, wrestled with a shirtless man. And when it's over, she alleges that all three of them got back in that silver Buick, and she tells Mink that Richard and Marvin kept saying, we fucked up. She either didn't understand, or more likely was too mad to care, that she was implicating herself too. This was probably one of the craziest cases that I've worked, is just how fast it worked and what we gathered, you know, from bail to identify people that had no dealings in our county. The case moved faster with assistance. I mean, half of my office was on the case. So as information was coming in and we were, we'd type stuff out, it'd get approved, the judge would handwrite those first warrants, where you'll see were handwritten. There's no reason to think that this case, a home invasion murder in a beach community, would have been handled with any less urgency, any less professionalism, if the victim hadn't been Major Gabe Ortiz's brother. But the fact is, Larry was. And that made this almost personal. As police officers, you know, I say it's a courtesy, but it's a satisfaction that, hey, justice is getting served. But it was more than that. There was a moment right at the end when Richard Horn was already in the handcuffs outside that tattoo parlor. And the cops kept him there until Gabe could show up and put his own handcuffs on the man who killed his brother. I mean, how would you feel if somebody killed one of your family members and you were able to put those cuffs on that person that pulled that trigger? It brings a tear to my eye. The End The Brothers Ortiz is a production from Campsite Media in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Brothers Ortiz was written, reported, and hosted by me, Sean Flynn. Lane Rose is our senior producer. Story editing by Audrey Quinn. Sound design, mix, and engineering by Garrett Tiedemann. Original music by Garrett Tiedemann. Fact-checking by Savannah Wright. iHeart Podcast executive producers are Lindsay Hoffman and Jennifer Bassett. Campside Media's executive producers are Josh Dean, Vanessa Gregoriadis, Adam Hoff, and Matt Scher. A special thanks to our operations team, Doug Slaywin, Ashley Warren, and Sabina Mara. If you enjoyed The Brothers Ortiz, please rate and review the show wherever you get your podcasts. And thanks for listening. This is Special Agent Regal, Special Agent Bradley Hall. In 2018, the FBI took down a ring of spies working for China's Ministry of State Security, one of the most mysterious intelligence agencies in the world. The Sixth Bureau podcast is a story of the inner workings of the MSS. and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to The Sixth Bureau on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Amanda Knox, and in the new podcast Doubt, the case of Lucy Letby, we unpack the story of an unimaginable tragedy that gripped the UK in 2023. But what if we didn't get the whole story? Everything's been made to fit. The moment you look at the whole picture, the case collapsed. What if the truth was disguised by a story we chose to believe? Oh my God, I think she might be innocent. Listen to Doubt, The Case of Lucy Letby on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, a.k.a. neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both? Listen to Mind Games on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. And at Morehouse College, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King Sr. It's the true story of protest and rebellion in Black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Menelik Lumumba. Listen to The A-Building on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.