Has Nithya Raman thought this mayoral run through?
38 min
•Feb 9, 20264 months agoSummary
John Phillips discusses LA City Councilwoman Nithya Raman's surprise announcement to run for mayor against incumbent Karen Bass, criticizing her socialist policies and track record. The episode also covers BART's budget crisis and threat to close 15 stations without a regional sales tax increase in November.
Insights
- Raman's mayoral campaign appears hastily conceived without strategic planning, announced Saturday with minimal organization after endorsing Bass weeks prior
- Socialist candidates gain traction in LA politics as Bass appears vulnerable following fire response report controversies, creating opening for left-wing challengers
- Transit agencies use closure threats as leverage for tax increases, but public skepticism grows due to documented mismanagement, fare evasion, and security failures
- California's Prop 13 structure lacks accountability mechanisms requiring agencies to demonstrate fiscal responsibility before requesting taxpayer bailouts
- Remote work and transit safety concerns have permanently reduced ridership below pre-pandemic levels, undermining revenue models for Bay Area transit systems
Trends
Socialist political candidates leveraging incumbent vulnerability to gain mainstream ballot access in major US citiesPublic transit agencies facing structural deficits requiring voter-approved tax increases amid declining ridership and documented operational failuresGrowing taxpayer resistance to transit bailouts without demonstrated cost controls and fraud prevention measuresSecurity and sanitation issues driving ridership decline in urban transit systems despite infrastructure investmentPolitical candidates announcing campaigns with minimal preparation, relying on incumbent weakness rather than developed platformsState-level bridge loans being used to defer transit agency accountability while pressuring voters for permanent tax increasesFare evasion and lack of enforcement becoming normalized in transit systems, creating revenue shortfalls blamed on external factorsHousing policy conflicts between progressive council members and mayoral candidates over density, zoning, and affordability approaches
Topics
LA Mayoral Race 2025 - Nithya Raman vs Karen BassDemocratic Socialist Political Strategy in CaliforniaBART Budget Crisis and Station ClosuresTransit System Fare Evasion and Revenue LossPublic Safety on Mass TransitHousing Affordability and Zoning PolicyHomelessness Response Programs and CostsMunicipal Budget Accountability and Fiscal ManagementMeasure ULA Impact on Housing DevelopmentSales Tax Increase Ballot MeasuresRemote Work Impact on Transit RidershipPolice and Fire Department Funding DebatesStreet Infrastructure Maintenance (Streetlights, Copper Theft)Encampment Resolution ProgramsState Bridge Loans for Transit Agencies
Companies
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit)
Transit agency facing $376M budget deficit, threatening to close 15 stations and lay off 1,200 workers without Novemb...
SFMTA (San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency)
Facing $307M budget shortfall and seeking regional sales tax increase alongside BART and other transit agencies
AC Transit
East Bay transit agency with $73M budget deficit included in November regional sales tax ballot measure
CalTrain
Regional rail service facing $75M shortfall, would close over one-third of stations without transit tax funding
People
Nithya Raman
LA City Councilwoman and DSA member announcing surprise mayoral campaign against incumbent Karen Bass on Saturday
Karen Bass
LA Mayor facing reelection challenge from Raman; criticized for fire response report and homelessness program costs
Adam Schiff
California State Senator endorsing Eric Swalwell in governor's race rather than Katie Porter
John Phillips
Host of The John Phillips Show providing political commentary on LA mayoral race and transit issues
Gavin Newsom
California Governor approving $600M bridge loan for transit agencies to defer budget crisis until November ballot
Deborah Allen
Former BART board director criticizing agency's wasteful spending expansion post-COVID
Rick Caruso
Former LA mayoral candidate who withdrew from race, cited as example of candidate recognizing unwinnable conditions
Lindsey Horvath
LA political figure who considered but declined mayoral run despite believing she could win
Quotes
"He can't seem to manage the basics. And while everyone agrees, we need more housing. The city still troubles to learn, leave with urgency."
Nithya Raman•Early in episode
"Los Angeles needs a mayor who is going to take responsibility for the whole system. Who's going to demand accountability across departments?"
Nithya Raman•Campaign announcement
"Give me an example in the history of the globe where a socialist has been put in charge of anything and they increased the efficiency."
John Phillips•Commentary segment
"I think this was something that popped up at the last minute. This is not something that she has thought through. This is ambition."
John Phillips•Analysis of Raman campaign
"Before you can go to taxpayers and before you can ask for more money, you have to agree to an audit where we can verify that there's no ways fraud and abuse."
John Phillips•BART discussion
Full Transcript
And we continue at 205 in the afternoon on the John Phillips show, Mr. Randy Wings and Culver City. John California Senator Adam Schiff at the end of the day has just announced who he is endorsing in the California's governor's race. And it's not Katie Porter. I call it the shift gift. Big surprise there. He likes swallwell. Of course. Birds of a feather. 800 222 5222 is telephone number 1 800 222 5222. Well, it's not just the governor seat that's up in California this year. So is the seat belonging to the mayor of Los Angeles. And Randy, she has yet another competitor in that race. And this one's a former ally. Nithya Rahman of the LA City Council, a DSA member announced on Saturday morning that she is running for mayor. She had endorsed Karen Bass just a few weeks ago, but decided Saturday morning to show up, put in the paperwork. And this wasn't even that well organized because it's not like she held the press conference. The news cameras got word of what was happening. They were waiting outside. And so she had a few things to say. Here is LA City Councilwoman and potential mayoral candidate, Nithya Rahman. He can't seem to manage the basics. And while everyone agrees, we need more housing. The city still troubles to learn, leave with urgency. Truggles? So wait a minute. So the city is in crisis because of poor management and she thinks a socialist is going to be the one that writes the ship. Well, and to specifically talk about housing, one of the things that has logged jammed and made it so impossible to build new housing, including a department buildings in the city of Los Angeles, is measure ULA, which Nithya Rahman was one of the loudest proponents of and was actively defending it. Building too little, too slowly while working families get priced out over and over again. This is a city that is cutting capacity while hoping that outcomes will somehow improve. We're asking residents to accept less while paying more and calling that normal. It isn't. Wait, isn't she the one that won't respond anyone's phone calls in her district when there's a homeless encampment that goes up next to a school or a business? It's real rich when she is one of the prominent members of the government. And LA is structured in a way that it is a weak mayor and a strong city council. So her inditing all the failures of the city is somewhat inditing all of her own failures. But sure, go ahead and run. Los Angeles needs a mayor who is going to take responsibility for the whole system. Who's going to demand accountability across departments? Who's going to prepare for emergencies before they happen? That was a shot at bass. Yeah, no kidding. It's not a nancy, pamsy thing. Who's going to communicate honestly? No, no, about that one. When things go wrong and fix what fails. Los Angeles needs a mayor who will fight for more housing, for more affordability. This is the only way that we're going to keep this a city of opportunity. We need a mayor who is determined to pave our streets and keep us safe and keep the street lights on. Wait a minute. She's the one that just proposed a tax to fix the street lights because she doesn't want to take the people who are stealing the copper wire and throw them in jail. Well, we can't do that. You know, let's criminalize kind of listed converters. Let's criminalize copper. What's going to happen with all of the DSA people that have already endorsed Karen Bass? Are they going to unendorse? Oh, my guess is yes, because she was one of them before she became a competitor. This is a city of extraordinary possibility, extraordinary, but possibility only matters if our leadership is accountable for delivering it. And I'm ready to lead the city with seriousness, accountability, urgency. You can say accountability. All you want. What is the record that she is running on that places where she is in charge of are notably worse than they were before she knocked out David Rowe? Well, just take her out of it for a second. Give me an example in the history of the globe where a socialist has been put in charge of anything and they increased the efficiency. Accountability, urgency and ambition that is equal to this moment. Thank you. Question number, did you read the report recently about Mayor Bass's potential all living and watering down the after-action report on the policy inspired? So how does that year decision survive? She smelled blood in the water after that story. Oh yeah. After that story came out, the mayor looked beatable. You know, I think that the policy has fired and everything surrounding that moment requires openness, honesty and accountability to the public. And I think the report that I read was the series of many instances where the city hasn't delivered that for the public. And it's not just on that issue, although that was the most. Keep in mind, she is the type of person what did those homeowners out to begin with? She wants high-density housing. She sees single-family homes as the enemy. She sees people driving their own cars to work as the enemy. The result that they're getting in the Pacific Palace AIDS may be the result of just incompetence and not maliciousness, but that's the direction that she wants to move the city in. Dramatic, the most impactful that we've had in so long, the biggest disaster that we face. But I think we need to do that on the fire and on everything else that we're responsible for. I believe in Encantan resolution. That's how an inside safe works. You go to an encampment, you offer housing and services. And then you keep them in a motel six forever. And they still hang out in the encampment because that's where all the drugs in the fun are. With dignity and with honesty to everyone there and people are able to move indoors and entire encampments can come in. We've done that in my district over and over again, both before inside safe, existed and afterwards. I'm going to talk to anyone who lives there. If you're going to use your district as the example as to how to handle homelessness, we're doomed. Encantan resolution is an important intervention, but we need to make sure that the costs are appropriate for the city. There are ways to reduce the cost to make this a program that is physically sustainable and that is part of our homelessness response. I'm going to do the exact same thing Karen Bass is, but find a way to make it cheaper. Well, she's worse because she doesn't want to bust up any of the encampments. Bass just takes forever and wants to spend a much money doing it. But if you push her far enough, she will say yes, those encampments cannot be there forever. Robin believes those encampments have every right to be there as long as they want to. And one thing that Karen Bass's campaign manager put out as a press release when Nithy announced she was running on Saturday was, and I paraphrasing this, the last thing LA needs is a politician that has refused to clean up homeless encampments. No, she wants more encampments. Imagine that. Yeah, why didn't you do the teas like Caruso or Horvath where you're dangling this over our head for weeks? I don't even think anyone was speaking of her as a potential candidate in part because she did endorse bass. Yeah, you know, yes, mayor Bass is someone I have deep, deep respect for. No, you don't. Not even a little bit. She and I share so many values about what matters for Los Angeles, what matters right now. And this is a really, really weird way to launch a campaign against somebody. Well, she doesn't want to come across as looking like someone who is a climber, like she's willing to step on Karen Bass's neck simply for the reason that Karen Bass now looks vulnerable after the fire report story broke. And we've worked together successfully on many of those things. But I do feel like Angelina knows have really given us a lot of faith voted for more taxes to address affordable housing issues. Yeah, that's on us. Yeah, Los Angeles. No more. Address homelessness. How's that worked out? More people living on the streets, of course, which from her point of view is success. To address some of our biggest crises. And if we don't show results to them, I think we will lose them. And I wanted to deliver a government that is going to be truly accountable to the people. That is the 20th time she said accountable in this little gaggle. It's like Gavin Newsom, just because you use the word doesn't mean there's any accountability at all. In fact, you have demonstrated since being elected to office that accountability is the last thing you actually want. Accountability accountability accountability and really lift up the values that Angelina's hold here. I have something to do. What do you think that call was like? Lots of f-bombs. My, you know, I, you know, I have a strong and close relationship with the mayor. Not anymore. That's in the past. And I built over her last years in office and, you know, I would prefer to maintain that privacy right now, but I have spoken to her. How can you talk to the middle class? I think that middle class here in Los Angeles is also facing so much of these affordability issues. Who's fault is that? Nithia, any guesses? Housing is the biggest driver of cost in the city. And we can do more to get housing costs down. By the way, since Trump started deporting all the illegal aliens, did you see the story in the LA Times where rents are now falling in Los Angeles for the first time and forever? I also want to say that we are asking more for services because of poor fiscal accountability at the city. We are making decisions about our budget that are based on political calculations as opposed to what is best for Angelinos and what is best for Los Angeles. Okay. What I think she means by this is that Bass won't defund the police department. Bass won't defund the fire department because if you think about it from the point of view of the socialist, well, why are we spending money to protect single family homes? We should be spending that money on the homeless or the illegals or the criminals or the felon the blanks. That's what she means. Middle class, I think that can change. We can make this better. We can deliver good services and we don't, shouldn't have to ask so much of our residents. How's that? We're here to survive any sort of a fill need to a breaking point. But as recently as I last mentioned two weeks ago, the Bass campaign had told that your endorsement was in the mayor. So just wondering, can you tell us how long you've been considering this run? It feels very sort of a lot of hours. It's a lot of time to let us. Did you just wake up that day and say, you know what? I'm going to run for mayor. No, what happened is she decided that she could win. She never saw a path before, but she sees a path now. Well, that was what Horvath was saying when she was teasing everybody. She said, I'm thinking about running because I know I'd win. But the difference is Horvath is just another hack partisan Democrat. You already have a hack partisan Democrat is the incumbent. Why do you need a new one in the race? With Raman, she is a self described out of the closet socialist. So that allows left-wing LA voters, which is a majority, to indulge themselves and to give themselves everything that they want and more. Yes. I mean, I think a lot about this race has been surprising. And I think like many of you, I was watching and waiting to see what would happen in the mayor's race. And also to see how the mayor would talk about the challenges that we were facing ahead of us. At this moment, I feel really strongly that I want to talk about those challenges. I feel strongly about them. I feel strongly about the ways in which I think that this city can get better. And I want to talk about them while campaigning for the mayor, that mayoralty. Karen Bass is a type of worker here. Simple question, if you couldn't hear it. What is Karen Bass not doing well that you think you could do better? Good question. I think we're making some progress on some issues like the homelessness crisis we're reducing street homelessness. In fact, Jack, not true. We're doing some things right. But on so many of the other issues that matter for Angelinos on an everyday basis, you know, keeping our streetlights on, for example. She wants a tax increase for that because she doesn't want to put anyone in jail for stealing the copper wire. Right now, thousands of streetlights are out across the city of Los Angeles. It can take a year to repair a streetlight right now, a year. That is an unacceptably long amount of time. And I think this city can do the big things. We can solve our housing crisis. We can solve our homelessness crisis. And we can also deliver on things that matter on an everyday basis for Angelinos. And I think that we can do that. By the way, if you're running on that platform that I want to run for mayor because all the streetlights are out, it's really hard to believe her when she currently could do something about that on the city council. Okay, hearing her in real time answer these questions makes it very clear. This was something that popped up at the last minute. This is not something that she has thought through. This is ambition. This is someone who sees Karen Bass as being uniquely vulnerable. Maybe it had to do with Rick Caruso taking a pass. Maybe it had to do with Lindsey Horvath taking a pass. Maybe it has to do with the Republican now being in the race. I don't know what it was, but clearly maybe it was just the fire report in the LA times. Some event happened. Something happened that led her to believe that if she were to jump in, she would win. That's what changed. We can do that. I know most Angelinos would agree with what you've outlined. The question is, what do you tell that? How do you convince the voters that you will be a different mayor for LA? You know, I think I have operated both in my district and in the council on results. What results? What kind of drugs does she think that we're on? Well, it's LA. A lot of voters are high. That's true. I have been an independent vote on the council. I've been an extraordinarily hard vote. An independent vote on the council. You vote in lockstep with all the other socialists. Yeah, but that's the independent voice. Oh, yes, because they're different from the Democratic Party per se. Well, she wants to defund the police. She has voted to defund the police. She has. I've been an extraordinarily hard worker for my district. When people bring us, yes, you've worked so hard that you won't take calls from any of your constituents. When people bring us issues, we are relentless in addressing them. We are persistent, we are patient, but we are relentless. I know a few business owners and Sherman Oaks that would dispute that. No, she is talking about the agitators in the streets. She is talking about the left wing organized crowd in that district because the homeowners that we talk to, the business owners that we talk to, they say the exact opposite. That is what Los Angeles needs right now. I bring that work ethic. I bring that focus. I bring that hard work and I bring an understanding of what needs to change at City Hall in order to fix these issues. What do you see here, Coolidge? You know, I think that I ran in one two elections for council district four with the support of renters, with the support of many, many progressive renters and homeowners with... She's going to run on banning evictions again. That's what's going to happen. Oh, yeah. Oh no, she recognizes her coalition and the city demographically keeps moving in her direction every day that goes by. With, I think, an array of progressive organizations, as well as a number of people, particularly in my second election, who felt like we delivered for them. And I think that... Is she getting siren to her own launch? You can't have a press conference outdoors in Los Angeles without that happening. Who felt like we delivered for them? And I think that's the coalition that I hope to bring with me back into City Hall into a different floor is really... That's a question. Oh, that's our buddy. That's Tish. I have... I'm very focused on women safety. Yes. You know what, man? All right. We'll take a break. We'll have more of LA councilwoman Nithya Rahman, fielding questions. Just as she announced that she would be running for mayor of Los Angeles against one time ally, Karen Bass. Nithya Rahman, of course, is self-described Democratic Socialist of America. 800-222-5222 is a telephone number, 1-800-222-5222. Let's go back to Socialist candidate for mayor in Los Angeles, Nithya Rahman. Okay, so the question was, are you going to get the endorsement of the DSA or any of these other groups? Yeah, to be honest with you, I have not had those conversations yet. My understanding is that their process has moved forward and they've already made their endorsements. But I didn't... She's getting heckled now. She better get used to it. And she kept saying word salad, word salad. And they've already made their endorsements. But I didn't... I will say I did make this decision fairly late. Like two days ago. I'll say that's late. And so I have... Like she probably doesn't even have a campaign manager. No, no, she hasn't done any of the things that people typically do before they run for a big office like this. And so I have not actually given those kinds of questions about endorsements much thought yet. And I'm happy to update you when I have. I do want to also say that I'm aware that I probably will not get most of the traditional endorsements that people are seeking. It's very late in the process to get in the game. I'm... I was an outsider. I mean, the endorsement season was last month, including when she endorsed Karen Bass. Oh yeah. I'm... I was an outsider when I first ran and I think I'll be an outsider in this race. And I'm okay with that. Do you see any parallels between your candidacy and the candidate who ended up winning for Bayer in New York? Are you the LA mom, Donnie? Oh, she hopes so. You know, absolutely. I think there's a lot of similarities between us. You know, I need some help on this. Shengie, I know you're not busy right now. Can you help us? We'd appreciate that. You know, absolutely. Absolutely. I think there's a lot of similarities between us. Thanks, Shengie. Boy, we're lucky that it doesn't snow here. I would say that I, you know, I came to this decision through a very different pathway. Considered it for a long time. I'm a really dedicated mother, devoted mother to my twin 10-year-olds. And so I didn't come to this easily. My focus in this race has really been to serve the city of Los Angeles. I love this city. I love this city so much. That just sounds phony. Yeah, she loves it to pieces, all right. I love this city so much. And I think it needs a fighter. That's a cliche if I've ever heard one. I'm telling you, I don't think she's thought any of this through at all. She's being caught flat-footed with questions that are pretty basic. And I think I demonstrated that I had to be that fighter. And I hope that the residents of Los Angeles will see that and cast their votes for me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So there you go. Nithia ramen running for LA mayor. As pathetic as it sounds given the condition of this city, the biggest threat to Karen Bass is probably from a socialist candidate exactly like this. Let's go to Morris in North Hollywood. Morris, hello. Who is it? Nithia ramen or Karen Bass? It's the same old garbage. It's all democratic socialism. And as a taxpayer and a homeowner, you see nothing and you get nothing. And just out of control, I think Karen Bass is going to keep her see the game because if the people over in the South of LA is going to vote for her and they're going to support her. And they're going to get up to vote for all the people that are on social services and receiving benefit from the government and all kind of taxes. I mean, tax programs is being paid for their welfare. And what they need to do is get these people on social service, get out there and work for their keep. I'm sure there's something they can do. Work 20 hours a week to do some of the pay for some of this. And the way you've been bought the poll vote, I don't know why I don't know what it proves to go the poll vote. It's the same old piece of garbage. So we just have to wait and see. You know, they have what 40 people running. And I hope she loses and Nithia ramen lose, but that's not going to happen. That's why Rick Caruso backed out and knew he couldn't win. Because the people aren't going to vote for him. The people live in Pacific power. Sades are not going to get out vote. And they're not. So it's going to be the people on like I said, social services. They're going to get out vote and she's going to get reelected. Kill bass on 99% sure life is here. Change, but it's not going to happen. It's the same old crack picture. All right. Thank you for the call, sir. So that's what's going on in the city of Los Angeles. That news, of course, broke over the weekend. And Randy in Northern California voters and taxpayers are having proverbial gun put to their head by mass transit saying if they don't fork over more money, they're not going to be able to ride public transit. Barg put out a report over the weekend saying that if they don't get this five county transit tax hike where in San Mateo County, in Contra Costa County and Alameda County and Santa Clara County, it'll go up a half cent in the sales tax and San Francisco County go up a whole cent if they don't get that money, they're going to close up to 15 stations, which means public transit will become even more unusable. For more on this part report, here's KPIX in the bag. Tonight, Bart is laying out a worst case scenario if Bay Area voters don't bail the agency out in November. For the next fiscal year, Bart is projecting a budget deficit of $376 million. Not only grows for the following few years. This November, Bay Area voters will weigh in on a potential sales tax hike to limit the damage. Bart says if that ballot measure fails, they would have to close up to 15 stations and lay off 1200 workers in 2027. Not how did this agency operate before COVID? And don't forget, they did the same thing with Sacramento. If you don't give us a bailout, we're going to severely limit our service. Not everyone is ready to support a voter bailout for Bart. One former Bart Director blames years of waste for this deficit. Our dollin looks at both sides of the bailout debate for Bart. Critics of the tax measure call Bart's report a scare tactic, while others say it's educational, letting people know how bad things could get if voters don't pay up. Bart passengers say closing up to 15 stations would be devastating. Tens of thousands of people rely on Bart every day, including daily riders, Steven Valadez, who takes Bart from his home in Antioch to his job at a restaurant in Orenda. Before the pandemic, that would definitely more. Sometimes you wouldn't even be able to say now I'm, now I never have a problem finding a seat. Bart says riderships down more than 50%, compared to pre-pandemic levels in 2019. And sure, you could blame some of that on the lockdowns and remote work, but you could also blame a lot of it on what Bart and the other transit agencies let happen to their trains during COVID. They allowed people to ride the train without paying the fee. And of course, when you allow that to happen, you bring on the worst elements of society. You bring on criminals. You bring on people who mistreat women. You bring on a lot of drug addicts. You bring on people who don't bathe and have zero sanitation at all. And of course, normal people won't want to use those trains. If you're going to have to sit next to someone who's going to the bathroom or you're going to have to sit next to someone who's causing you a hard time or who might rob you. We mode work means fewer trips into San Francisco. Bart says it depended on fears to run service more than almost any other transit agency in the world. Many Bart writers are back and that's great, but they're only taking Bart a few days a week and that has had a huge impact on our bottom line. Bart spokesperson Alicia Tro says without a voter bailout, they would close 10 stations in January, 2027. Here's a map of the stations that would shut down. The system would also close earlier at nine p.m. instead of midnight and writers would see longer wait times. If more cuts are needed, Bart would so the way to get us out of this is we're going to make it even less appealable. Right. So if you're going out to dinner and you want to ride the train so you don't have to drive drunk, you can't do that anymore because it shuts off at nine. If more, by the way, interesting financials came out of bark this week. Now that they installed the fair gates at every single station, revenue is up $10 million. You don't say. If more cuts are needed, Bart would close five more stations in July, 2027 altogether. They would have to lay off about 1200 workers. And I think the most dramatic here is the blue line is just completely eliminated. And that would basically look like what Bart ran from 1976 to 1994. Steven Sastakuts would be life altering, closing the two stations he relies on. He doesn't own a car. For me, it would be horrible. I would have to pretty much find a new job because I would know how to do that commute anymore. Bart is hoping voters will pass a regional sales tax increase in November, a half percent hike for Alameda, Contra Costa, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties. There's going to be so many tax hikes on the ballot in 2026. So many. I wish and prop 13 is a great proposition that is protected taxpayers in California for decades. But I wish there was some sort of mechanism as part of prop 13, where before you can go to taxpayers and before you can ask for more money, whether it be from a tax increase or a bond, whatever, you have to agree to an audit where we can verify that there's no ways fraud and abuse. Because we know hearing from people who call in who work for that agency, hearing from people who call in who use those trains, we know what kind of fraud is going on. We know how much it costs us because they don't crack down on people who steal the copper wire and knock the system offline. You need to fix all of that before you go to the people and you ask for more money because those problems will still be there even if you get your tax increase. At a 1% hike in San Francisco. I am a solid no on this measure. Former barbed-board director Deborah Allen blames irresponsible spending for the budget deficit. Same bar should have never expanded service hours where added more trains after COVID as ridership was declining. It is a scare tactic. It is what I call Armageddon. I think to vote yes on this tax measure, you are voting yes on more of the same wasteful, abusive, and even yes, sometimes there is fraud too. Steven says he doesn't see much of a fraud and barred you don't say hard to believe. And by the way, the latest troubles with barred are all its own doing. Forget COVID, forget the homelessness. The system got shut down so many times last year because they cheaped out on cleaning the tunnels for dust. That's on them. Steven says he doesn't see much of an option for him when it comes to the tax measure. Whatever we got to do, I mean I'm willing to do it because I cannot risk losing my station here and losing my station at Ann Yock. Transportation officials say the closures would also affect drivers because it would push more people onto the freeways. The other transit agencies involved in this ballot measure are all facing steep deficits of their own for the next fiscal year. SFMTA's shortfall rivals BARTs, $307 million. AC Transit is over 73 million. For CalTrain, it's 75 million. CalTrain says without the transit tax, it would close more than a third of its stations and limit service to once per hour. So you may recall last week, Governor Newsome approved a nearly $600 million loan for those agencies. Plus BART, that money would help bridge the gap until the ballot measure funding rolls in in July of 2027. That's right. It's not, they're not tightening their belts. They're not cutting down their budgets or trying to eliminate all the blow, which can be in a lot of administrative salaries. What they did was they got Gavin to give them a loan. And if they don't have the funding from the sales tax increase, they're not going to be able to pay back that loan, which is why they're going to close all the stations. So Gavin gave them a bridge loan, but wants to get credit for a bailout. But that loan is still not enough to cover the short-term deficits. So that's the latest that's going on with the potential transit tax bailout that's going to be on the November ballot. What a complete mess. 800-222-5222 is the telephone number 1-800-222-5222. If you'd like to email the show, you can do so at Johnny. Don't like show at gmail.com. That's Johnny. Don't like show at gmail.com. And Randy, you're monitoring the mailbag. Here's one about BART. Well, closing stations like the Lafayette station would definitely cut down on the robberies. Oh, and I got to put this one in. Al from the Port Oakland writes in, I have no idea who Nithia Romana is, but she sounded as befuddled as a college girl cut outside a bar after midnight by a YouTuber asking basic American history or geography questions for cash. Now that absolutely was just a tease. Give me a real baby shangie. I like that. Oh, you got it, buddy. That's right. I like that. That was amazing. Let's go to Paul and San Francisco. Paul, hello. Yes, as you probably remember, I'm a retired meeting operator. I'm going to get that tax that's regressor. And also the meeting doesn't collect anywhere near what they should collect from Ferris because of backdoor boarding people don't pay. There's virtually no control. Maybe take out the bus. And the city's fund is millions of me on other programs. There should be no deficit whatsoever in a $15 billion or whatever it is budget. It's ridiculous. What is the training tell you to do as a driver if someone doesn't pay the fare? What's the official position? Well, it's different now. The official position used to be just asking to pay the fare. Now they put a plastic glass thing around you so you won't get attacked. There's no security anywhere. So the community is afraid of the operators being attacked by the, you know, the messed up bombs that oftentimes get out of the bus with their dogs with no buss. So they don't right now. I don't think they should do anything. So virtually it's free for all. You do virtually do anything you want and could not pay the fare. All right. Thank you for the call, sir. Let's go to Linda in the East Bay. Linda, hello. Hey, how are you doing? Good. Good. You know, let me show. I learned a lot from you guys. I really appreciate the knowledge. At that part, I live by a favorite bar station and at least 2047 full trains. And I don't understand that. I know people that work for bark that actually have a high position and they make a lot of money. They really do. They're not, you know, they're not taking care of the station. They're not taking care of the people that ride bark. I mean, I stop taking bark because people, you know, it's not safe. It really is not safe. But in the meantime, I remember shooting in my area, when somebody came in from Oakland and just randomly shot off the 38 in the air and then got back on bark and just went home. You know, finally, the, I love the Elma County Sheriff's Department. They caught him. They really did. But how safe is bark if you're able to take a gun on there? You know, I'm going to vote no. They really don't deserve it. They have, they pay so much money into the board and everything else. And they have, they're not doing anything to improve. Plus that when they open the Castare Valley Barth Station, because I lived here when they opened that, the crime rate around that barstation went up quite a bit. You know, people just come in from other areas. They rubbed homes. They victimized people. They get back on bark like, okay, nobody's going to see me because I'm not driving. And in Barth doesn't do anything to actually stop this. I mean, I understand you cannot screen everybody. But people jumped, I know people that jumped against all the time. You know, it, do I like it? No, you're stealing basically. And now I have to pay for it. I don't think so. I'm not, I'm not going to vote for them. It's, it's, no, it's no to me. All right. Thank you for the call and Randy. If that sentiment is widespread, this thing could go down. And that means Barth's going to fulfill their promise of closing 15 stations next year or figure out a different bailout from the legislature.