"Lets Rap About it" hosted by Fabolous, Maino, Dave East & Jim Jones

Who Got Backs #17

81 min
Feb 20, 20262 months ago
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Summary

Fabolous, Maino, Dave East, and Jim Jones discuss relationships, family dynamics, money's impact on friendships, celebrity culture in the social media age, and creative collaboration in music. The hosts share personal stories about loyalty, clout-chasing, emergency contacts, and navigating changing dynamics when success enters the picture.

Insights
  • Family bonds require more than blood relation—shared values, presence, and mutual support define true family versus relatives
  • Money fundamentally changes relationship dynamics by removing dependency and revealing true character, both in the person gaining wealth and those around them
  • Social media has democratized celebrity status but eroded mystique; accessibility now defines influence more than traditional talent-based metrics
  • Clout-chasing and public betrayal of private moments represents a fundamental breach of trust that permanently damages family relationships
  • Creative collaboration requires clear agreements on publishing splits and contributions to avoid disputes that undermine the final product
Trends
Shift from talent-based celebrity to influence-based celebrity driven by social media accessibilityErosion of family structures replaced by chosen family based on demonstrated loyalty and presenceMoney as a revealer of character rather than a corruptor—shows who people truly areClout economy incentivizing public disclosure of private information for social media engagementGenerational difference in celebrity expectations and parasocial relationships with public figuresOnlyFans and creator economy blurring lines between professional content and personal boundariesIncreased importance of emergency contact networks beyond traditional family structuresLocation-sharing and digital surveillance in relationships as new trust/privacy negotiation point
Topics
Family vs. relatives distinction and loyalty dynamicsMoney's impact on friendship and relationship dynamicsClout-chasing and social media betrayalCelebrity mystique erosion in social media ageInfluencer culture vs. traditional celebrityMusic production collaboration and publishing splitsEmergency contact decision-makingLocation sharing in relationshipsImposter syndrome and self-doubtCreative control with multiple contributorsGen Z attitudes toward celebrityOnlyFans and content creator boundariesDating app experiences and catfishingCelibacy and relationship readinessFederal charges for in-flight incidents
Companies
Playmaker
Podcast sponsor mentioned in opening segment as presenting partner
Prostpix
Sports pick app advertised as America's number one sports pick app in opening segment
People
Fabolous
Co-host of the podcast discussing relationships, money, and celebrity culture
Maino
Co-host contributing perspectives on family, loyalty, and relationship dynamics
Dave East
Co-host sharing personal stories about family relationships and emergency contacts
Jim Jones
Co-host and relationship advice guru (1-800-MAINO segment) discussing dating and loyalty
Bad Bunny
Discussed for Super Bowl halftime show performance and cultural symbolism with Puerto Rican flag
Big Pun
Referenced in story about wild airplane behavior and water/ice fights during flights
Cardi B
Cited as example of artist who led with personality first in social media era
Tupac
Referenced as example of artist whose personality transcended and influenced fan connection
Keen Streets
Guest featured in freestyle segment at end of episode from Far Rockaway
Quotes
"Family is the bond. Family relative is just the blood."
Dave EastMid-episode
"Money bring the real you out though. Like whoever you was or whoever you made up in your mind, you was or whatever. Your attitude, your product, whoever you really are."
FabolousMoney discussion segment
"Cloud chasing is a bad disease."
MainoFamily betrayal discussion
"Influence makes the biggest celebrity nowadays, period. And always have."
Jim JonesCelebrity culture discussion
"I think it's dependent on the person, too. So I think certain people, they do live their life through social media or YouTube, and that's how they became a celebrity."
Dave EastGen Z celebrity discussion
Full Transcript
Let's get it, we right back at it. Let's wrap about it, brought to you by Playmaker, presented by Prostpix, America's number one sports pick app. Let's get it, my brothers, we back in the building. Back in the mat. Yeah. What up, what up, what up? Yes, the hottest podcast, man. What's happening? How's it been, man? How the week was for y'all? Man, everything beautiful, man. Freezing, man. Freezing, but happy to be still here, man. Happy to be alive. It's colder than the pimps. It's cold outside. Work outside. Yeah. Work outside. Yeah, it's different outside. You ever got food poisoning before? Absolutely. That's what I wanted to know. That's what you're going through? It's not a good feeling. Yeah, that should have long time ago. I'll tell you that. I got food poisoning off something, off some weird shit before, like cashews. What? Yeah. It wasn't even cashews, it was pistachios. I had a bad back. That's crazy. 100%. You're scaring me now, pistachios. I got food poisoning off pistachios before. I think mine was more seafood. Yeah, you can't do nothing with it. You just got to let it run its course. You just got to just... You got to deal with it. You about to check out. Yeah, it's a bad feeling. I never had food poisoning. Fish is one of the easiest thing to get food poisoning with, as I've learned. Thoughts of the Super Bowl? The halftime show? The halftime show? Fire. I feel like... I mean, not just the halftime show. What about the Super Bowl itself? No, it was the... The halftime show? The game? The game was weak? The game was weak. The game was a little lopsided, slow. It wasn't exciting. Shout out to the champions of Seattle's secret football. They definitely did that. The kicker, man. What's the kicker name? It was a very defensive game, too. The defense was holding it down a lot, so it wasn't a high score in a high entertaining game. Yeah, it wasn't entertaining at all, honestly speaking. Yeah. It was an old field, like punches. I liked the bad bunny, though. I liked the... Bad bunny? I liked the message that was behind his... Absolutely. The message behind his performance. The story. And how he just represented for his people. You know what I'm saying? I was like... I've seen somebody break that down like the flag, the Puerto Rican flag he had was the original Puerto Rican flag. Yeah, they banned that flag. Like they banned that flag. The sky blue one. The sky blue. Mm-hmm. Like, so it was a lot of symbolism in there. If you didn't know, I'm glad he spoke in no English. Now, he did his numbers, man. He probably should be having a good time. People upset, though. Yeah, he got a lot of... He got a lot of upset. Yeah, he was talking about people upset. Later, he said he's going... But because football is known as America's favorite sport, right? America's pastime. Yeah, that's football. So it's like... You know how that goes, man. I mean... It is what it is. But he still got the... He still did the best numbers... Of all. Of all. Super bowls, right? Mm-hmm. But you know, the thing about music is that you don't always understand the words, right? This music that you hear, that you listen to, it's a vibe. It's a vibe. It's an energy, like... The energy of the music. Sometimes... I've heard a lot of music that I don't know what it's saying, but it's got a good vibe. Besides that, it's way more Spanish-speaking countries than it is one American-speaking country. And it's not a city in America that ain't got a heavy Latino... 100%. You know what I mean? I got thrown on a bad bunny years ago by a stripper in Canada. Bunny or stripper always put you on a song? What is that? Why are you always consoling? Why is the story right there? Why does stripper always put you on a song? Pause. Pause. That's crazy. That was crazy. Yeah, like telling two men one at a time is definitely... That was crazy. That was crazy. That was crazy. We are up to a start today. Man, I love a start. This is going to be a show. I love a start. So, a stripper in Canada lets you know about this. Yeah, he put me on a bad bunny. I said, what is this? Is she with Spanish? Yes. In Canada? Yeah. We was in Quebec. Put you on In the Strip Club? After. This is the ride home. The ride to whose home? After you waited out, I was like... I'm confused. I didn't do the waiting. You were out to the hotel? I didn't do the waiting. Did you run through the locker room? Did you do the locker room? No, no, no. Was it an easy transition? It was an easy transition. It was an easy transition. No, listen, listen. I think it was his first hit. It was so hard. I think it was his first hit. I think it was his first hit. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. There's a song. Play whatever you got, word. Yeah, nah, it was, yeah, I got poor on that bad money. You live a life. 100%. We gonna keep living until it's over. That's right. You play, you on boy. Ha ha ha ha ha. Do you believe in sharing locations with your partner is a new form of safety or an invasion of privacy? That's what they do. Do you share locations with your partner? No, I don't even know people do that. I mean, I don't even know how to share my location. Actually, I'm kind of wack on my phone. I don't even know how to do that. She probably got your location then. I don't think, nah. You do that? Nah. That's not like a thing. Is it a thing? That's what's going on. Do you do that to your strippers? Do you put the location on it? Don't do that, cause then you strip a shame and that's a community. I feel like more with your kids. How much? How did that shit happen? I don't like throwing that out there like that. Was that a stripper's shame? Yeah, like don't make anything about strippers. Cause I'm gonna ask him if he has a location or something. When they're moving to? When they're... We don't even broadcast to tell the truth, right? Okay. Or just to cap about it. What the cap is? I'm giving y'all a story about my life. Okay. And it involved the strippers. I want to know if you have the location, if you shared a location with your... I'm not involved with a stripper right now in this recent era. But when you did, did you share your location with your stripper friend? I've never shared location with anybody. If anybody had my location, they're gonna get the shock of their life. I don't wanna... They're gonna get the shock of their life. I don't even know what that consists of. That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Cause you got my location, you want... If you ain't coming to kill me, and you coming to do something else, like try to catch me, like you gonna get exactly what you're looking for. You understand what I'm telling you? What about you, Spitz? You ever shared a location? No. I don't even like when people actually will you at. Like I was talking around like... But I'm a shared location. That'd be fun to set up. Where you at? But how you feel about it? You feel like it's an invasion of privacy? No, I don't feel like it's an invasion of privacy, but it's also just like... It's just too much information. Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't need to know where you at every minute of the day. Every move you make. That's kinda crazy. I might call you and check in and you know what I'm saying? But as far as like... I push your location for my kids. But partner... And you use up your kids with my son. Use it with my son. You know where he at. First thing a girl say when she speaks to you. What's up? What's up, man? Are you triggered? Yeah, what you mean where I'm at? Damn, it's... Damn. It's just like it's cold. Then questions is a tricky question. Somebody asks you where you at? It's like... What's you trying to set me up? What you doing in front of it? Before it's... What you doing where you at? Before she say where's it? What you doing where you at? What you doing? Yeah. I might say anything just to see where... Where you at? See, now I was getting to it. It's crazy, right? Back to the back is crazy. What you doing and where you at? Back to the back is crazy. What if she got a nice tone? Like it don't sound too invasive. It's just like, what you up to? I don't trust it still. You trust it? It's the tone with me though. If it sounds like... So it sounds nice you rocking with it? It's the tone. If it sounds like I'm just asking, just make conversation like what you up to. Then it's like, I'm just chilling over here, man. You know what I mean? Me and Jimmy D, we going to the studio or whatever. Had that and then it pop off after that too. Like, what you doing? You just try to say what you doing? No, you not you over here. Like you know what I mean? It's pop off. So that's why it's a tricky scenario. That's crazy. Sometimes they ask you where you at but they already know where you at. Right. Or they looking at you asking you where you at? Smart. So you smart. That's why you got to look around at first. He know where you at. Looking right at you. Where you at? Where am I at? Looking right. I don't even know where I'm at. Where you at? I don't know where I'm at. Is it where? Like, basically. Ain't no location where I'm at. I don't even know where I'm at. Yeah. I guess that was that. Yeah, you get caught in the lies like that. Definitely. Case of emergency, who you call first? Who you call first, Dave? Emergency? Yeah, like when you got locked up for drinking and driving, who you call first? I wasn't drinking and driving. You were sleeping and driving. I was sleeping and driving. Sleeping and driving. Sleeping and drinking. My mom's. Yeah, my mom's. You know what's crazy? I call my mom's. If I think I'm in trouble, I call my mom's. You know, Shooter had that joint about no emergency contact. And I just, I had tapped into it because I'm like, damn, your mom's really is like your first emergency contact. You losing his drink was about losing his emergency contact. And I was like, damn, that shit is connected. So the same thing, like your mom's is always like, you could be old for some reason. You want to call your mom's first. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, even if you got a woman, like you still want your mom's to, you know what I mean? It could go up and down. It could go both ways. You know what I'm saying? Because if I call, well, when I. Sometimes it might not even want your mom's to be worried or like, you know what I'm saying? When I used to get locked up back in the past and all that, I called Chris because I know if she got to handle Benny's building a guy or whatever. But whenever I used to get hurt and shit like that, I called my mom's first. So does that change though? Like, so like, you know, your mom's is that person that you always know you can count on for whatever reason. So then when you get old enough to have a woman, does that change? Does that your woman kind of take the place of your emergency contact? 100%. I think it depends. Like it depends. It depends the situation. Like in my situation, I don't be wanting to take my mom's from the kids. So I call my mom. Like if the cops got me, I don't want to take mine away from the kids in that situation. So I still call my mom. Yeah, so it's certain situations. My mom's could get up and move like, you know what I'm saying? It's certain situations for that first call. But it's even gonna be my mom's is gonna be Chris. Those are the two delegates right there. Cause I know everything I need to get done can get done between those two. So if I call my mom, she gonna call Chris. If I call Chris, she gonna call my mom. They gonna go both ways. They go both ways. That's not so scary if you don't have them two situations. I guess some people, you know what I'm saying? I'm grateful. I'm grateful. You know what I mean? I'm so grateful. Right, I don't have that. I'm definitely so grateful for that. I get tricky. You gotta have somebody to call. I'm trying to think who Maz is. You definitely can't call a stripper. You definitely can't call her. She's not answering. Bro, that's not a bad idea. Not a bad idea. You better not. Me. What? Just don't. You think about it? No, I wasn't thinking about what he told me. Listen, I'm just thinking about, so like you know when you, sometimes when you book on a flight, you actually emergency contact. I'll be putting my cousin, my female cousin. Shout out to my cousin Monique. I put her down because I really don't have a real set person to call. So I think maybe like an emergency, I will probably call her my brother. Those probably will be, you know. If that person has to be definitely a responsible person too. You can't just call anybody. Right, my friend. You gotta use somebody you know. Trust him, man. Trust a responsible person too, cause it might be some things that only them people should be having access to. Right, right, right. You might only get one call. What if you're in a situation you get one call? You gotta call the person that you know gonna pick up everything. I feel like I gotta be somebody that then, been through them situations with you before. It can't be like the, you ain't gonna just be like, oh, just call this, I'm calling who I know going on. No, you gotta call the people that you know gonna be there for you. At the drop of a dime. 100%. Pulled over somewhere. You need somebody to come get your car. You know what I mean? Because like if I go out of town, I'm no guaranteed if I go out of town and I get in trouble, I know the cause. They gonna pick up no matter what, cause I'm out of town. But that's the great part about having a woman is that anchor right there. 100%. You know I'm grateful. We love Chris. Yeah, so that, yeah. I guess I just need to hurry up and get married. Not to a stripper though. Why you keep talking about strippers nigga? Because you keep talking about a white kid. No I have not. I said one thing. I said a story that you happen to be. Every story has a stripper attached. Not the story about me going in them kids room. Oh, she wasn't a stripper. No, I don't. She just was a lovely young lady that didn't belong to you. Right. You see where I'm going? Right. You see where I'm going? Man, you know what I'm saying? How should you handle your family or your friends using your name for Clout? How y'all feel about that? Mm-mm. That shit happens anyway man. People gonna go for Clout over money nowadays. So you gotta expect it. There's some people that's close to you. Some people you call friends. They be using your name for Clout when you not around. Like, you know how this game go man? Clout is everybody chasing right now. You don't think so? I do. It's like a combination, right? How about the person you, that you would call right as an emergency is usually your name for Clout. That's heavy. That's crazy. Who do you call if you on a plane? Depends on. And you run in the niggas and it turns into a pillow fight. Who do you call in? That's a good question. Who do you call if you run in at some of your opposition? Your ops? On a plane. How do you handle it? Can't call nobody on a plane until something happens. No, but the plane didn't take off. Like how do you handle it? Oh, it's not in the air? It's not in the air. Charges could be a little less if it's not in the air. Charges could be a little less if it's not in the air. So you taking the charge? I'm just weighing different situations and things like that. You know what I mean? Nah, that's a federal charge. That's a federal charge. On that plane? If it's in the air or you on the ground? I don't know. No. Not necessarily. He didn't have to fight at the... But you wasn't on the plane? He wasn't on the plane. It was an airport. It's the same thing? It may not be. They might have a different... I think the airport is different. It might be something different. Once you get on that plane... I don't know. I looked it up. It says that fighting on a plane is a federal charge. But is that fighting on a plane when it's in the air? But let's check it out. I've been banned from that same airline for small planes. It's fighting on the plane and fighting in the airport two different things. Right. Or is it different when you... I think you could get it on an airport and you could... I mean, I've been kicked off on flights, but I wasn't fighting. So it's your ops worth 37,000 to crash out on? No, but what I'm trying to tell you is this, if you're running to them and you feel like it just can't... you just can't get through it, you just got to do something, at least wait. So you get off the plane? Deboiled the plane. And then it could be a state thing. Right, then you can get with it. Can you have a pillow fight on the plane? That's the thing, that's the key. It's not a physical, but... You at least have a pillow fight. Pillow fight seems like it's legal. Pillow or the salt? Pillow fight not legal either. Is that an assault charge if you get it with a pillow? I don't think that's a real assault. Shit, if you hit a nigga with water right there... If you throw a pillow at a random, like, old white lady in first class, that might be assault. Nah, you hit anybody white, you're getting assault. That's a fact, Jack. Guaranteed. What a assault. I don't do a fucking... That shit was the softest pillow in America. If one of them folks up there... They gonna roll on the ground and stay... It's assault. God. They gonna send the red jackets in there. The red jackets ever came to the airplane and got you? Who? The red jackets, they used to have the red jackets back in the day. What? They used to come on the plane with red jackets like, yo, we need to get you off the plane. Get off the plane. Those are the agents. I don't know who they was. I ain't nobody know red jackets ever came to get me, bro. No, me and Ken got kicked off the planes by red jackets a few times. The red jackets. The red jackets. I ain't see guys. The red blazers, they come on with the red... They come on with the red blazers and shit like that. What was y'all... The niggas on Soul Plane and stuff like that. What the fuck is the red jackets? The red... I mean, it's been a long time. It's, you know, even traveled for it. What was y'all doing on the plane to get kicked off like that? I ain't go lie. I'll tell you something. So we were on a plane one day with Big Pun. Right. God bless his soul. And he commenced to start having a water fight, and an ice fight, and a cup fight. Then throwing pillows. Then throwing trays. Playing though. Bro, I'm talking... He playing... Paul, we going back and forth on the plane while it's in flight, bro. Right. The wildest shit I've ever seen. Like Pun was crazy. One time they had to plane them in somewhere crazy for doing all the saipo madness. So this is a type of antics that we would do. We used to go crazy on the planes back in the days. That was like pre-911 or right... I never did nothing crazy on a plane, bro. I mean... The most I did was probably... The Ma Ha Club? Yeah, that's... That's about it. Like... That's... Yeah, that's... Hey. I've been taking the planes since 1900s. We were teenagers. It was a little bit different then. Absolutely. I never... yeah. But how would you... How do you handle somebody, you know, in your family chasing cloud on you, coming out with a story on you? Cloud chasing is a bad disease. How you handle that? If it's somebody close to you? If it's your family, you can fuck your family up. Yeah. That next Thanksgiving is lit. 100% what I'm trying to say. 100%. I might not say nothing until I know it's a holiday. You might wrinkle it's... It's going to be a mandated family event that everybody got to come to. We all got to be at. We going to get with you. But that's family shit. So what about a friend that's cloud chasing? I think family should come before cloud though. Like, you know what I'm saying? I think somebody who your family... I mean, of course it does happen where people go against people family wide. But I think like the real line should be this is family. I can't talk down or talk bad to the public. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think that's when that happens, I think, you know, people really stop being family in a sense. Like, they... That'd be the money. Do you think that's the entitlement that they feel? That it starts with entitlement from a family side? It could be anything. It could be whatever they just want or whatever they, you know, they might not even want. What they might not even be doing it to get something from you. They could be doing it just to get recognition or attention or whatever comes with going against your family, I guess. You know what I'm saying? But I just think that once that line is crossed, like, you know what I'm saying? It changes the dynamic of me even looking at you as family. 100%. If you willing to violate like that on the internet. Yeah, I think that usually before it gets to the internet, you start to see the rubber lacing. My uncle came home from jail, did like 27 years. I don't know where he did. He was locked up my whole life. Right? I helped him get a job. I went to Walmart, got his hard hat, got his equipment, got his booze, got everything, helped him get a job, helped him put bread in his pocket, everything. When things wasn't going right, he started DMing me the most disrespectful shit. Like, and I'm just like, damn, look at this dude here. Like, first of all, you don't even know me like that. That's one, right? What I'm doing for you, the things I've done for you is on the strength of my mother. You my mother's brother, right? But you that entitled to the point where you feel like you can speak to me and tell me shit like I'm using your sister's name in vain and shit like that. This is crazy. So this is how like family shit just get thrown all the way off the tracks. Because I just said, you know what? I'm going to leave this nigga alone, man, and just not even ever responded to him ever again. You know what I mean? So I see how it could go from that. To now, somebody's on the internet thinking that they're exposing you. Right. You see? So it get it get it get real tricky, man. I mean, but so how you feel about so for me is like if I have friends that we once tight and now we don't see eye to eye, we may be beefing or whatever. I'm still not going to disclose anything personal that we've been through. No matter if I do call you pussy, so whatever whatever I exchange is. Certain things I'm not using for cloud chasing like you did. Like I'm just I'm just not that's not my character. Right. You know, I mean, no matter what the heat of battle is, I'm not using that as ammo. You understand if it's sort of things that me and you only know with shit like that. You did like that's that's not. But that's that's because you still having a certain level of cold. Everybody don't feel that way, especially nowadays in an era when it's like attention. You could go viral. Right. Attention. That's the job. Oh, right. That's the job. You say the real secret new viral, you know, I'm saying a son that that only you and some miles, but it's like no integrity in that. You know, that's right. If it's up, it's up. We ain't got you did like. No, it's not because it's not me. For internal is made for attention. Yeah, that's why family is it's not just blood. It has to be the bond. It has to be what's behind just the blood. Everybody is born into your family. You don't even know you born into the family. You don't even pick everybody grows up and becomes the person that they're going to become. So it's certain family that you like you said, you might have not even grew up with them had no bond with them or anything. But you know, you know, it's your family. That's my cousin. That's my brother. That's my uncle. That's my, you know, saying, but it still has if there's no bond there, they're going to treat you. However, they're going to treat you. It treats you like somebody. Is your difference between family and relatives? Yeah. Tell me the difference between family is the bond. Family relative is just the blood. The blood. I don't have. I don't have real cousin. That's relative, right? I don't have is what we all here. Look, I had real like back and forth with my moms because after I became Davey, so whatever, I had mad new cousins that I never met. I never seen none of these people before. I don't remember them. But then my moms would be like, oh, no, that's shit. That's such and such a son. Oh, that's such and such is like, my I never I don't remember. She wants you to kind of like they want me to embrace them or I mean, that's your cousin. Right. And that might be my third, fourth. I don't know. I don't know these people. You know what I'm saying? Like it's love, but it's still be like if I was working at U Hall right now, they would not be trying. I mean, they would not be trying to contact my mother. I got a while to get in touch with me at all. Like, you know, I got mad new cousins since like 2016. Did you you didn't build no real? You ain't built no real relationship with them. The 2016 cousins is great. Yeah, they just popped up in the last 10. I'm pushing forward. Like, when was I like sleep over 30 years? You were you were you were you ain't got to be a limit on when you could push your cousin car. Yeah, like, yo, right? What? Hold it. What year? Yeah, the time you know, because my mom's is is is your sister is your mom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't be like because like you didn't tell me about your mom's. My mom's might know you up. Yep. She might be familiar with you. I don't know y'all. I had a similar thing with my mom's with with family when we was like when I was like a kid. So some of my family. They used to live in Long Island, but they used to come to Brooklyn to go to this church that was right across the street from our projects. It's a big church. You know, one of them big churches everybody come to. So my mom's would like. Get us together and go like go across the street and see, you know, your aunt, she's in your your, you know, I'm saying, every time they will come out, they will come over there like every Sunday or something. Come over there, go over there. Then one time I was just like, why don't you all never come over here to see us? You know, I'm saying we always go to them. But my mom's had a different relationship with them because she kind of grew up with them. You know, I'm saying so she just she want to see him. She want to connect the bond with us. But I was just like, right. You know, we just one, we live in two different worlds. I live in Long Island. I live in the trenches. You know, so I'm like, but I always saw that it just hit me one time that I don't think we really got like a bond because they don't come come to see. They come all the way over here, go to that church, but they never stop over here in these buildings, you know, I'm saying. And so I used to like even be talking about my ex to that one time and she kind of like stopped and looked at it. She still like, they could bring your ass on. We're going over the same. But she still made me go. But I just had that reaction to it. Like, you know what I mean? That let me know like family is, you know what I'm saying? It's different, different dynamics. I feel like with a with a family member because of that, I don't I don't speak or I don't even really vibe with her like that because of what she came with her family to the to the projects and didn't want to get out the car. I'm like, come upstairs and like she won't get out the car. Damn. And that's my cousin. Like, you know what I'm saying? So that I call my mother, I say, your mind, don't invite me to nothing. She got going on. Nothing. How was your buck? Maybe like 13. Yeah. What's in? Yeah. See, you remember all those things when you're growing up. You see the difference. You remember the family that wasn't coming? That wasn't showing love that felt different. You remember. But the funny is that your mother still wants you to have the relationship. Because my mother don't have to be for them people. You be mad at them. Like, man, fuck such a son. I don't got no problem with them. My mom's, I felt like she grew up with them. So they still like feel like real family to me. For me, I didn't grow up with them. I'm just like, we just going over there. My mom dragging me over there. But the play devil's advocate, we is at a trenches. So they might have, you know, meaning both of them situations like looking at them buildings like now we can be scary, scary. But in my mind, I'm like, good times. I'm like, I live here. If you love me, if we like that, if I'm little cousin, you love me. This way I live at you. Come on. I'm thinking about all the crazy stuff. Way back when I was first getting on my sister lived in River Park Towers. I went up in there. I said, nah, we got to get you up out of here. Yeah, up is crazy. Those been crazy years. That's what I said. And the Bronx. The Bronx. You know, I felt like that when I was like one way and one way out. It's funny. I felt like that when I was locked up when it came to family. Right. So I did like 10 years and shit. And I was like, damn, I ain't get a letter from none of my family. Like nobody in my family came to see me. Like I didn't have no like no real blood other than like my mother would come whenever she could make it. But the family that came to see me was my guys. Right. So when you relationships that I got with my niggas, it's been my whole life. So they would come see me. Girls will come see me. But it wasn't like aunts and uncles was checking on me. You know, nobody, you know, so I kind of came home with that kind of grudge because when things started to happen for me and it was like, oh, that's my nephew. I was just like, man. But I try to let it go, though, as years go on. Well, I ain't been in your situation. But when my grandma passed, like I just graduated high school and I was by myself in the project, I had an array of my sisters and shit like that. Help them to school. But it felt like when my grandma had passed, like nobody from my family called to check on me. It was like, except for my aunt, God bless her soul. She used to always. But it was like as big as a family I had felt like nobody was coming to check on me. And I felt like how you felt. I built up a lot of his right. You felt that. Is that right? So you know, who's your immediate? You did. And then also thought about people got their own problems also. You know what I mean? You got to stamp that, though, man. Family is the bond, not just the blood. You know, I'm saying percent. Your family could be. That's how some people like. They friends in the street, they look at them as family. When I first started, right, I crewed. That's what the family and street family was. It was just like, these are brothers. This is we have bonds. You know, I'm saying this money change, friendship, dynamics. I think so. In one way, some some which way. Because it's a lot of different. A lot of different dynamics. Is it is it when when one nigga start getting money and other nigga don't? Is it when both of y'all start getting money and you start to see a change? Is it when he's getting money and you not? What's the dynamic? The dynamics of money changes the dynamic a lot of times because. And it's what's up if you got somebody who is dependent on you, you know, they they got a loyalty sometimes just because they dependent. Now, if both of y'all get some money, then they might not have to have that same loyalty and they're there now is the whole dynamic. It is about that. And that dynamic is the person that was the person that was one dependent. The up the person that had the money. Are they happy for that person now that doesn't need them as much anymore? What you mean? Say that again. You see how you see how fab said now to niggas getting money now. One person might have been dependent on one person, right? Right now. Other niggas start getting some money that can cause the dynamic to change, but it causes the change for the better or for the worse, depending on how the nigga that's taking it. Because most people like it. They depend the person. Some things like to see they get money or they look like a little man. Come on, boy, they they bother, get a back like some people don't want to see you doing better than them. Depends the person. I think that's I think that's based on the on the person because you got some niggas that want to be the one that got all the bread and don't want to and want to have to be the one that's a fact. But then you got niggas that want everybody around them to be, you know, I'm saying, right, nice cars, living in nice cribs. Packages, right? Family took care of like sometimes it depends on the nigga. Sometimes the dependent nigga get money and now he start acting a little different too. Like he he wasn't dependent on you before he got the bread. That's a fact. They'll change up too. So it's all different type of dynamics. I think I think money bring the real you out though. Like whoever you was or whoever you made up in your mind, you was or whatever. Your attitude, your product, whoever you really are. Because being broke, you might got to play a certain way in certain rooms because you pop. I hate that. Once you got the once you know you got what you need and can move how you want to move, that's the real you. So how have you talked to people? Yeah, I don't I don't like that. That's the right. Like you only in that you only talking like that. Because you only like that. That's the real you. It's the same money. That's not really the real you. So is the same wouldn't be talking like that money. You have it money doesn't change you. True is the money doesn't change you. Change you. It does. I think it does. I doesn't change you no matter what or does it change things around you? It definitely changes. I think it changes you and I think it changes you. I think it changes everything and it changes. And you would say that for everyone that it changes people's perspective of you. Because even if you not if you don't change as a person, it could change your environment, it could change how people look at you. It could change the way you move. And that's what I mean. All of those things is all change. It doesn't change something. It don't have to be like, oh, it made me this a piece of shit person. It could just be how the world changes around you. Everything is going to change. It's what you're certain way. I'm going to get a certain stripper. You know what I'm saying? See, it wasn't me. But that wasn't that was a new thing. He told me that's the difference. Say when a nigga from Brooklyn say it is a slide right. You're moving the gold. Don't try to don't try to divide us. We think it's moving the gold post and shit. Don't try to divide us. He said what he would do. Yeah. You heard what he just it just so happens that me and him share some of the same similarities. So wow. You see how you see how they move in the gold post? That's how the whole. No, no, no. So you you shame. I shamed what you shame those communities. How you do. It's not the first time. How I was a big participant of those communities. I don't want to see you. Brother, I was a big participant in those communities at one time before. Right. But ever since you moved up, you didn't you got different. You changed money. You got different. You got different. And that's exactly what we're talking about. Jim Jones, that funny now. He don't even show no love no more. That's what they talking about right there. You change money. Exactly. Straight up, man. If a song goes viral, but you don't get paid directly is the exposure. Good enough. Is the exposure good enough or you just need to know how to hustle it. If you know how to. You know, if you know the records you got. Yeah, if you got a if you got a hit record, you should know how to go. You should be able to make a lot of money off that record without. Collecting any money from the sales of it. Right. If you got hustle, if you got hustle and bustle shows, they playing a song everywhere, you should be getting the best. You should be able to leverage that. You should be able to leverage that in a big way and moving forward. It should. Move you into a bigger deal or a different situation if you're smart and shit like that, right? Right. I mean, listen, sometimes the opportunity is not the money. 100% opportunity. Opportunity is way bigger than money. I see it all the time. What you think, Spitz? I think, um, yeah, they just got to know how to hustle. I think. In the times we are now, anybody can. Turn nothing into something in a sense, because. Social media, the social media platforms could do it for you. They could turn something that you just was playing around doing. You was just who Leo. Right. Don Leo. And then it's just just turns. It'll be lit. Things and I ain't going a lot. Oh, that was that was he caught that. That's in the couple dollars. I don't know what happened. I don't know how much money may, but he made some money. I don't know where he at right now. Yeah, a couple of hours of that. But I listen and he had niggas bugging off. Yeah, this shit here. They will die. Leo stock definitely went up. He had the chain with the little. Yeah, yeah, we was outside. This is that was I hope you got a check from them because he definitely gave them the super commercial. Yeah, I hope he did. I already gave him that chain, though. This is what I heard. I don't know if it's true. They gave him the little dons. The chain was a bottle of a real dog. A real bottle. It wasn't a bottle chain from the jury. It wasn't a chain from the jeweler. No, they said it got it from Don Julio. Give him a little Don Julio chain. It was a little bottle. I hope you got more than that. I ain't gonna lie. I'm afraid you got more than that. That summer boy. That was crazy. It was the fake down. Holy over there. It was fake. See them. She had like videos on a block and it was how many on the door. How many bottles that they they finished. Some blocks is what I see that summer was that was that twenty twenty four. That was twenty five. That was twenty five. Twenty four and twenty five. It was the last two summers. The last two summers back to back. They on here like twenty four was like. They used to have these just lined up on a block. That's not this shit. Like a hundred and fifty. Twenty five. Twenty four. Twenty four. You sure. Well, it was both of the years though. Y'all might be right. Twenty four and twenty five. Yeah. It might have been like winter. Twenty four going in this week. I don't know when it dropped, but that was when I think of that song, I think of it. I think of a dog. It's some shit that you had me in. Where had you in Harlem? Whatever that was. Shit like a bodega. It's like a store outside. They dumped it. It's over. It's over. It's over. It's over. That was the. It's a little hundred sixteen. Wherever it was that that shit. They look like a store. Sixteen. Oh, yeah. I had a time in there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. That was that was a strip club too. That was a spot. I'm just like I'm just saying what it was. What I'm just saying what it was. What was the strip club? That was what you was it? It was it was a it was a burlesque spot. It's it burlesque. That's the pun, man. My legs know it was a fucking burlesque. It was a it tried to be a strip club. OK. But it wasn't quite that. It was like it was almost. It tried almost. It was like a it was like a keyword here is what? Almost. No, no, no. What strip club? We need a break. It was in the break. We're going to break. You want to go back and forth? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you're not going to win here. On what though? On was that a strip club or not? No, I'm just won't leave it on what? We're going to leave it alone. That was a spot, man. Leave it there. Yeah, leave it there. All right. What's your problem? You know what? Fuck your problem. Yeah. How much help is too much before creative project stops being your own? What? More like if you do it, like if five producers take to make one beat, then producers or you got seven writers so-called on your record, I think if they have something, if they actually have something to do with it, I don't know if it makes a hit. If it comes, yeah, if it makes a hit, if it makes a hit, people want to be home, I don't know. Sometimes there'd be a lot of niggas on the beat, but I guess from a standpoint, I just You want to know what the nigga did on the beat? Oh, what part of the beat was that you do? Right. I don't I don't be having an issue. But sometimes the because you know what it is about the publishing splits. Right. So the producer automatic, he take this is a hundred and a hundred. But he split it. You take the 50. Take my then they all got lawyers. So does it take does it take away from the original? Does it take away from it being your record? No, but the problem is I went I ran into this problem with one nigga didn't want to agree to it. And what happened is he played something like a let's say he did like the keys or like a guitar or whatever he did. He did something that wasn't that crazy. A guitar, a guitar. What's up, Nick? Bass, a guitar, bass, bass, the guitar. So listen, he did a guitar or it was like maybe some keys or something like that. But he he out of four or five niggas, he was the only nigga that was like nine with it. So we had to get somebody else to play it. Cool. But what I'm asking you is does all those people take away from it actually being your record? No, you still need all of them to be in the grants so that the record can come out. No, but that's not really the question is saying like, does it take away from the creative process? Like that are you are you are you the creative at that point when you added so many people to it? But now if it's if it's like different writers, if you got somebody fucking did a hook, I think production wise, it doesn't take away from the right. I think writers do writers do though. Once you got different writers on it, I think it's no longer something you created. I think it's a mutual hero. This or he brought this to the record, but product just to beat. If you added the 808s and you added, I don't think that takes. I still created the song. I mean, you know how many niggas on slide? I'm I'm not I'm asked what? What? Yo, now you guys going too far. That's the name of the song. You got no come on, man. Yo, yeah, go away too far. Yo, you know how many niggas was on slide? Is that a problem? Oh my God. Do you know how many niggas on slide? They repeated it again. Hold on, son. You weeded again. Yo, no, I'm talking to you like you feed it for him. I guess you but I understand it. I'm not I'm just asking is that did that take away from it being our record? Yeah, it's still our record. I'm right. I'm realizing you just telling me this just now. Mad niggas is on slide. Oh my God. Yo, bro, we got it. We get it. We got it. We got it. We read it. Read it, Dave. Please get us out of here. Dave, please. People say as a creative, you should know how to do a little of everything. Jack of all trades. I'm with that. I know that. I'm the master of none, but I'm better than the master of one. I'm with that type of shit. I know how to do a little bit of everything. If I want to set up engineering, I can 100% you know how to you know how to. You know how to engineer for both. You know how to engineer yourself to Spence? Yeah, I mean, they were school. No, you're not. Well, I told you I want to learn how to make I was I was I want to learn how to make beast, though. I saw, you know, that system that you show me that during the pandemic, I think and remember I was really amazed by it. I was doing this shit at your birth. Man, what's the job? I think I'm in the room. Yeah, yeah. At his crib. Yeah, it was my birthday in a room and I was recording on the side of the my mom's recording on the side of the pool. Yeah. The rest of my I was finishing my album inside of the pool. We did that. You know what record? You know, I reckon that engineer right? I did y'all pause at my birthday party. Right. At your birthday party. Pause. But pause. I recorded y'all. I engineer for y'all. Right. And then I did my birthday. Three cuts in the eyebrow. 100%. Yeah, we did those. Yeah. So I mean, you need I would say I would say as a creative, you should be well rounded. You should. Yeah. You know what I mean? This is crazy. Like I'm not listen. I'm gonna tell you right now. Tell me you. It's right now. I want you to ask yourself you didn't hear what you and Jim with charges said. I said I said pause, though. You I pulled. You should be well rounded. I think that's that's that's that's a problem. Well, you said you said I didn't want to say what you said. Venus and Serena back and forth. Back and forth. You mean, you pause. You said some wild shit. I don't want to repeat it. It's gonna be on the on the episode. I'm guilty. He found me guilty. Look, you said some wild shit. And then combo said, yeah, it was my that was at my birthday party. I said pause right after that. But I said pause. I said after my birthday party, I said pause. We can go to the damn video tape. I know I said pause. Listen, listen, that was insanity. Like this. I'm not going to keep watching what I say, bro. All right. I'm gonna just. I'm not. You don't really watch what you say at all. You don't. You already live in that. I'm not going to keep watching. When do you watch what you say? When you're going to say it again. When? When it out? You just be speaking, bro. I can't speak. You know what I'm saying? I want to just talk. Nigga, like, I don't want to have to watch. Like, listen, y'all know what I'm on. I'm not talking. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm just here to make sure you don't jump off the ledge. Off nicely. That's all I'm here for. That's your consideration because you messing me up. It's the same stuff. You pulling me in. Yo. I'm not even talking no more for the rest of the night. Whoa. Oh, my God. Whoa. Yeah. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. You're all in this shit, Gary. You mean it to me. You mean it to me. You know what I'm saying? Nigga, now I'm fucking out of pocket, bro. You mean it to me? I don't be bugging. Nigga, just be out of pocket. Can you challenge some of this shit? Can you bring it to court? Yeah, but is that really a... He said pulling me in. Is that really a pause? Go to the comments. Pulling me in is a pause. The call is the comment. Go to the comments when the episode drops. Yes, it is. And where would they be saying? Yes, it is. Don't scream. Leave. Don't even say it again. Don't pull it. Pull it. It's not right. It's not right. It's not grammatically right. It's just nasty. I don't. Man, I said it. I don't know why you be so baffled by what you're saying. I don't... Because I don't live like that. I come from a different world. I don't live like that. I don't live like that. I don't think I need that money. I don't think like that. You know what I'm saying? It's a different... I think different. No doubt. You got Babe Bro talking. I got you, beloved. Talk to him, man. Obviously, you talk the same. Yeah, because you got me messed up right there. Bro, you keep talking to me. I ain't got nothing. You're sending these waves. So let's not speak. Let's just meet and you just not speak. You right? For the rest of the day. I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, tell me. tell me. tell me. tell me. Don't say shit to me. The first time we agree on something. Don't speak. Straight up, man. Have you ever experienced imposter syndrome? If so, how did you deal with it? What was that again? Imposter syndrome. It's when you felt like you... Self doubt. You feel the crowd is gonna find out that you're an imposter. You're not living up to yourself, you don't think. They're all gonna laugh at you. Yeah, I can relate to some of those things. Self doubt. Yeah. Over thinking, over working. I can relate to that. Self doubt, though. What you mean? Self doubt. Sometimes the voice in your head is the one person to talk to. Sometimes you're telling yourself things. Man, it's... Is that self doubt or is that being discovered? All that's in the same family. It's not the same thing, though. I thought me and you not even talking. You're right. Right? So I feel like all of those things is in a similar family. Like self doubt, being discouraged. Even falling, this depression going in, I feel like I've been depressed before and woke up and didn't realize it before. Being discouraged in itself, doubt is in the same family but different. Because I personally never doubted myself. That's what I was trying to say. You heard, like, no matter what was going on, now I've been discouraged mad times, like something didn't work out or it was like, damn. But I never, like, was telling myself, like, nah, something, maybe you can't do that. Or maybe you can't... I never doubted myself. No, you ever thought yourself, can you think you could do it? Like, man, I don't know if I could do it. No, I never... I always felt like I could do it. I just need to be put in the right spot to do it. Got it. But I never felt like I can't do that or it'd take that type of nigga to do that. I never felt like that. Got it. What about you? Nah, I ain't never felt no shit like that. No. I'm delusional. I'm delusional. This is a night you're not gonna... Everything is gonna work for me. I'm delusional, baby. That's it. That's my man. I never had to put this down below. All done or worked. Dave was saying about discouragement and doubting yourself. I feel like it's two different things. I've been discouraged plenty of times, but I never doubted myself at all. Not one time. More. Yeah. I want you to understand that. You don't want me to understand that. I don't want you to understand that. I don't want you to understand that. I don't want you to understand that. I don't want you to understand that. You don't want me to understand nothing, because me and you not even fucking talking, nigga. Told you, man. You don't want to say the wrong thing, right? Right? So listen, what about feeling like you was gonna get exposed for something? This is the expose-a-error right now. Everybody's trying to expose something. It is. And that's what we was talking about earlier. Yeah. But I honestly feel like that's a spooky life if you waking up every day. Wondering or scared that somebody could expose something you did. Like, I can't live life like that. And you live a flawed life if that's what you're down to live for. I feel like anything that I don't want publicly known, if it did get publicly known, I would still just be like, ah, fuck it. Right. You know what I mean? Even if I don't want it out, it wouldn't be nothing. That would be like, ah, fuck. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like to live every day like that, like, damn. I hope a nigga don't bring that up. Yeah, that's living every day. I hope a nigga don't bring that up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I can't live like that. I don't really get that. You did a lot of suckers shit in your life if that's how you wake up. You know what I'm saying? I can't live like that. Yeah, I don't relate to that at all. I can't live like that. No, not at all. I think that has to throw your whole day off. Like, you can't enjoy your day if that's what you're mine. Right. You know what I mean? You can't enjoy life if that's what you're mine every day. Given that you're wildly known first as a rapper, do you ever find it limiting or frustrating when people overlook your other accomplishments such as acting, entrepreneurship, et cetera? Nah, I don't think I worry about that part. I know what I'm mainly known for, so people know me for being an artist or rapper. I know that. And the things that I do on the side, I'm proud of my accomplishments, no matter if people point them out and things like that. I think I've done more rapping than anything else I've tapped into. So I've acted, but I haven't overdid that. I had a store, but I haven't overdid it. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like what I've done the most is music. So I don't never feel a way if somebody don't know that I've... I was method man or what it... You know what I mean? Like, shit like that don't bother me. Personally, yourself, you feel like you put more into music than you did ball at this point of your life? You feel like you... Now, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just ask that too, because, you know, people start playing ball and I started playing basketball. I was like nine, ten years old. So it was until, you know, you put a lot of just going out every day, even on your level. You were playing in AAUs and tournaments. You know what I'm saying? You put a lot of... That's a lot of, you know what I mean? Yeah, years. This is like my 10th year with a deal. And this is my like maybe 12th, 13th year like really rapping. So that's more... So you put more time into music? Yeah. Because when I really... I played ball as a little kid, but it wasn't putting time into it. You know what I mean? My pops was putting me on a team and shit. When I got locked in on my own, I was probably like 14. So that was short lived. That was 14 or maybe 21. You could have made it to the NBA. We spoke about that. No, but I'm saying... We spoke about that. We had this kind of... You could have made it though. We spoke about it. But I spent... I tried to throw that back out there. I'll spend more time with music now. You know what I mean? People gonna be people, they gonna forget some shit anyway. Right. Right? If you were like... They gonna overlook something regardless. Right. That's why you gotta remind them. I appreciate it. Every time. Thank you, man. Yeah. It ain't happen, but I appreciate it. We also can't do anything just for validation because then you's like seeking other people to acknowledge. They're gonna prove it or not. You know what I'm saying? I don't... That's why I don't get mad how I ever people know you. It's certain people that tap into your life in different stages. You know what I'm saying? It's certain people that know you from social media. You know what I mean? Some people just tapping into you might know what you've done in the last three years. You know what I'm saying? So, there's no way to really like, you know, make every person know you for everything that you did. Niggas run down off the park. Yeah. No, I love it. Right. No matter what we had all done before, we had to this, people would still run down and be like, But you almost made it to the NBA. I love your man. Don't have to make sure you keep that in there though. Like, I don't want nobody to forget that ever. Never. Why you keep playing? No, because... Anything good? You cool? We good. 100% we good. 100%. NBA almost is crazy. No, like my nigga like, you almost, yeah, like, oh. NBA, yeah. For real. Damn. Damn. What are some things no amount of money can make you do and why? You already know I ain't playing with no man. You already know that. No off-task, yo. Like what we talking about? No off-task, yo. No amount of bread. No amount of bread. I think that's instant. Like what you mean? Remember I said, yo, for 100 million, would you take 50 lashes with a slave belt? No. Remember I said that? And I told you, and I told you no. You're going to take your soul, your life, body, everything, you're not lasting 50 lashes, bro. Nigga, one lash is going to pack you. Bro, did I sent you this? I sent you where the last one? One lash. I sent you. Who I sent it to, homeboy was jumping on over the couch. He cried, took his shirt off. Oh, yeah, we saw that. You on 50 at all. That was one. That was one. You on 50 at all. If you put numbing cream on that you could do. No way, none of that going to work. No way. You not going to be able to walk or lay down. You not going to be able to drink. Time period. You not going to be able to walk or lay down. I'm wildin'. I don't like the odds. What? 6'7". 6'7". You know all that with who got backs. Who got backs is crazy. It started there. I'm trying to say you wasn't looking, but I'm over here signaling the plane. You not see it, you start going on. You can't lay down. I can't live like this. I can't live like this. No, no, no. You got backs. No, he said who's selling backs. I said who's selling backs, man. You got backs. You got backs. When you find out who's selling backs, they all at me. He said he could buy a new back. He said he could buy a new back. Oh, shit. You can buy anything in this country in this world. I don't believe that. He's like a man got y'all dickers. I can't understand what you're talking about. Don't talk to him, man. I keep going in the middle of shit. I keep going in the middle of shit. I keep going in the middle of shit. You talk to him. The poor smater just went to the tornado. You just keep going. Yo. That's what happened to me. That's what happened to me. In conversation with him, he just started talking crazy. I'm telling you, don't even come back with him tonight. I don't want to tell anyone. I don't want to tell anyone. No more conversations about no backs. Is your back transplant? This is wild. Y'all out of control, man. Damn, man. Yo. We about to have to end the show. Damn, man. Do you think Gen Z is forgetting the value of a celebrity? Celebrities is not what they used to be. It's like a different person now. It's Gage different, though. Gage? Gage? Yo. What did he say? I did nothing. Gage. Got it. Chill, man. Yo. Did y'all know that's what he said? Yeah. My bad. I'm clear to both charges. This is crazy. He's trying to put people on. I was not there, bro. I mean, elaborate. Because now they say streamers is richer and more important and more influential than traditional celebrities. So it was like, do you think this generation undervalues what a celebrity is? Because now, I think, before celebrities was based off of some type of talent, whether you were a sport or you had a talent for singing or acting, whatever, those are celebrities. Now it's not so much about a specific talent. The celebrity is just different nowadays. I think the value of a celebrity is different. The value of what you look at as a celebrity, what they are involved in. You know, celebrities are in whole different forms now. There's a lot of different forms. There's influencers, celebrities. There's streamers, actors, rappers. There's, you know, so many different things. Dancers, everybody has their own celebrity in a sense now. Daddy, strippers. Somebody do something cooking on social media. And they're a celebrity. Because a lot of people know them. They have notoriety for what they're doing. That's really what a celebrity is. So I think the value of how you look at a celebrity has changed. You can bump into somebody that you follow, like, that's funny on your gram. And see them out. Oh, that's the nigga. That's the funny nigga from the gram. You know what I'm saying? I think that's a celebrity. You don't know them, but you know them from seeing them. But you didn't, like, the younger generation feel like, you know, because the streamers feel like, all right, we celebrities now. I think everything is just more accessible now. And I think social media played a huge part in that. Influence makes the biggest celebrity nowadays, period. And always have. And streaming and social media is giving these kids more influence than some rappers, than a lot of rappers. That is very true. So it's not the same game no more. So you're not just famous no more behind a certain talent. It could be your influence. It could be the way you take pictures. You got girls that's influencers and all they did was show their ass. Like, it could be that, right? Like, she just posed a certain kind of way for the last 12 years. Like... Yo, what? Why was it 12 years? Exactly. Since when Instagram came out. That was a mean pose. Think about what I'm saying. So like, if she always posing with a butt or whatever, or she shapely or whatever, she got a lot of followers. So now she's looked at and now is an influencer. I think a lot of the mystique from celebrities is kind of gone. Because of social media. We posting... Like, now you can see a favorite rapper with their kids. You can see their outfit for the day. You can see... You can just... What they eating for the day. Like, they put it on that artist, if they posting it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a lot more accessible. Back in the day, you couldn't see none of that. You seen the celebrity when you seen them. They was on TV, in a video, in a basketball game. That's the only time you seen them. Now you can go to their page. Or the snigger ate this for breakfast. The snigger just dropped his kids off the school. But that worked back in the day because they ain't gonna have social media. You know what I'm saying? No, I'm just saying, but it's the mystique. Social media killed that mystique. So back then, when you seen them, you... Oh, my God! And you still got some celebrities to this day because you been watching them all day. Yeah, social media. You think that takes away from your value or it takes away from the value of an artist? It just... I would say it takes from that... It makes a celebrity more like an everyday person. Accessible. And they can see you got the foreign card, the jewelry, the bag and all that, but they still feel like, oh, that's just... It takes you out of the superhero league. I think it's dependent on the person, too. So I think certain people, they do live their life through social media or YouTube, and that's how they became a celebrity. That's how they got it. But I think some people, the mystique is what keeps them... You know what I mean? People want to know what's going on and follow behind what they're doing and stuff like that. So I think it really depends... It's how you play it. It's hard to maintain a mystique is what you're saying from... As far as social media, right? There's artists that do it. You got artists that don't post nothing. And then you got artists that post everything. They use the mystique, but they still use social media to help them mystique. They post every now and then to build... I think you did a good job with your mystique as far as the artist that didn't overly do much and show much. I think you grew your base. Is that a poor? You grew your base. You good? You good? Without having to overly... do it... See, y'all got me nervous. I got to be honest. And that's what I paid for the whole time. You said I got to be honest. You was good, though. I got to be honest, though. Ladies and gentlemen... I think it was that song. It threw my whole... It threw my whole shit on. Nah, keep going. We're not gonna let you fail. My nigga main tip-talking. Nah, man. As far as mystique, he's one of the artists that I feel like his mystique transcended, even through social media era. I think it's good and bad or a different person, that, too. I think certain artists share more of themselves and that's why people love them, too. If you look at certain artists who had personality and people fell in love with their personality, whether it was like a Tupac or even just somebody who was more animated, like Buster or personality-wise, I think Cardi B is a person in this generation that she showed lead with personality first and it made people fall in love with her and then everything else went along with that. Even her music, to me, goes with her personality or the personality that you see. I think she probably is a different way inside or in the house or whatever like that, but her personality as an artist, that's the kind of music she makes. I think people, again, I say depending the person, you did want to know a little bit more about certain artists and certain artists you could just live with the music and what they give you musically. You know what I'm saying? Got it. Got it. You know we got a word of a Jim's word of the day. Remember when when you first started, Jim, they caught me like saying words wrong? Right. Right. What word I said wrong? What word I said wrong today, bro? I'm gonna see this. Oh my god. What I said wrong? This is Jim's word of the day as well. Gage. With the E.D., like you said. That's what you heard? That's what he heard. That's what he heard. That's what you heard? Listen, I was just trying to figure it out. You know what I mean? I was off, I was wrong, and he said gaged. I told y'all niggas it was up. 3-4 episodes ago. School year when you got that. They doing 12-4 illustrations. Until they cancel us. It's up. We doing range and stuff like that. You're illustrating to the public. Things like I... Niggas got props. Niggas got props nowadays. Okay, cool. I guess it's lit. Yo, if you and your partner create content on OnlyFans and people start over sexualizing her, where do you draw the line between attention and disrespect? What kind of content are you creating first? That's what I would like to know. You gotta be fucking on that. What kind of content? The kid for Ness and his girl being on OnlyFans, they be having sex. And somebody was like, yo, I like the way you get down. Like, I want to beat or whatever. So... He looking at it like... Huh? He looking at... He be having... His girl. Him and his girl is on OnlyFans having sex. Like a porno. 100%. You don't watch OnlyFans? No. You gotta subscribe. You can't just watch it. I see it on the internet. You see it on the internet. You subscribe to that? 100% no. 100% not. There's sites that you can go on. You subscribe to somebody of... Somebody of your f? There's sites that you can go on that you can see everything. Oh, so you watch it? Yeah, but not on the platform. You getting the bull leg. I've never seen that. You getting the bull leg? That's the bull leg only thing? Right, I get the bull leg. I've never seen that. I ain't know they had that. You bull leg the OnlyFans is crazy. I'm not bull legging it. It's this website. You got a favorite? Or OnlyFans. Favorite ladies? I don't know what's on there. These girls on there, nigga. I got the bull leg though. Absolutely. I got a few. So you treated like the magazines and jail? This is what I'm saying. You going to fall. This guy here. This guy here. Yo, where you draw the line at? If you're OnlyFans with your lady and y'all f? Whatever y'all doing. How can you draw the line, bro? If you clapping your lady on the internet. If it's a porno, if somebody say they want to clap, like, is that wrong? They working, that's work. That's a job. So now if a fan say they want to clap because they fantasizing, is that wrong? Say it in a nice way. Don't go on my post and be like, yo. I want to clap? I want to beat. I want to fuck your bitch. How can I not say that? You got to have respect. You got to have respect. So now you got to watch a porno with respect? I don't think there's no respect on that. I just want to know, do you have to watch a porno with respect? That's like saying, you know this girl, do porn and you know this girl, do OnlyFans or whatever and you've seen her in a club, right? And you just walk up to them like, yo, let me fuck. Was it like that or was it in the comment? It was in the comment, I think. But it's the same thing. In real life, it's different. Would you walk up to her and say that to her? You know she knew porn. And Nick is to tell you they'll kill you in the comment, bro. So in the comment? Right. So that's the way it was in the comment. Is that right or wrong? What you posted, if you post that, then you got to know that it's a chance. It's a comment, bro. Nick is going wild in the comments. But it was a notable person, I guess. That's why it went. Oh, somebody knew it wasn't just a comedian. He knew? I mean, it's not a big norm or not, but it was somebody notable. So that's why it was more of a big thing. Oh, see, my chain's a dynamic. It's just crazy anyway. I mean, I wouldn't put myself in that position. So you wouldn't put yourself in a position? Pause. Yo. Pause. Told y'all stop talking, bro. Pause. I was done with him for the night. I'm done. I'm not talking to him no more, bro. You're right. I was just saying. This nigga is like quicksand, bro. Pause, bro. This shit is crazy, bro. He keep going, bro. Let's leave it alone. I am. 1-800-MAIN-O. I am a love guru. I am a relationship guru. I can help you with your relationship. I can help you with life questions. I'm done with the relationship. Do you delete photos and memories or not? Fuck no. I keep all that evidence. You never know. Explain. Explain. The work that I put in in that relationship, why would I delete the pictures and the videos? You don't fuck with that person no more. So this is the advice that you give to this person? They are their videos. If you got sex videos. You like to go back and reminisce? Yes. You get into a new relationship and a new person wants you to get rid of your exes video. Now that's something different. And this is, did I make a deal with her? Is that established? Is it established? Exactly. Are we going to be together? And am I going to be this person for you? Did I agree to this? If I'm doing that, then you know what? You uncomfortable with my sex videos? From previous relationships? Okay. I'll throw some of them out. You got it. You got it. You got it. Some guy will get kept. Some guy will get kept. Some guy will get kept. Something? Damn. This is way before you. Has nothing to do with you? It should not affect our relationship. It's in the public. This is my phone. In fact, why does she know what's in your phone anyway? Why does she know what's in your phone? She could actually, if you have any videos in your phone that you shouldn't have. She shouldn't be asking you that. Because whatever's in your phone, pre-her, right, should not be a factor. Because are you asking a woman what's in her phone? I never asked her when was in her phone. She probably got a couple multiple dicks in her fucking algorithm. Okay, in her iCloud. She got gats in the phone. Yeah. Got to ask that. That's a question you got to ask at dinner. How many dicks you got in your phone? How many gushes in your phone? I mean, gushes in your phone. Look at my man. Give him the chicken. How many gushes in your phone? How many gushes in your phone? We all got phones, right? How many... How do I put this? She's gonna be like, hanging on your every word right there. How many... How many dicks do you got in your phone? And that's... That's where the dinner's gonna get interesting. That's where it's gonna get interesting. You gotta see if you got a real one. You gotta find out if you got a real one. I'm telling you. She gonna say, what do you mean? As soon as you say that, it's all, man. Damn. What do you mean, what do I mean? Do you ask... How many rappers flew out first? Or do you ask how many guns she got in her phone first? I think the rapper flew out first. I think the rapper flew out first. It's rapper flew out first. You just getting to know her. I see you travel a lot, watch your Instagram. That's the appetizer. So is this the appetizer or is this the chicken? Which gets asked at what meal? So which... The appetizer... What's the food come? You might as well start at... Because she eating, you paying anyway. Let's get it... Let's get it on. You gotta start shooting them questions. That's it. Before the food... Because she might just leave, like... She might get mad and leave before the... At the appetizer? Once it's all ready, we are... So wait for the crab legs to get there, they all live. Taking them to them good restaurants and all that. You gotta ask them kind of questions. You gotta store it in your phone. Damn. Okay, 1-800-MAR-RO. Fire Mars want to know. I am a corporate woman in LA with my own motion. No kids and I've been celibate for 4 years. Because I value my peace. I'm all about being a man's biggest supporter. But I'm seeing a lot of love, bombing and potential instead of real action. At what point does a woman like me stop proving her loyalty and love for me? I'm not saying that I'm not. I'm not proving her loyalty and just realized the man is using bread crumbing as a control tactic. Well, I would say to you this... Bread crumbing? What's bread crumbing? That's money? Bread crumbing? That's like money? Like getting a little... A couple dollars? Maybe that's money? Like a little hope? Like a little hope's money. Like you know how to fuck with you. I would probably tell you, I would say, listen, move at your pace. Right? Don't feel like you have to do something that you're not ready to do, that you don't want to do, that you're not prepared to do. But on the flip side, I don't think God wants you to be celibate for the rest of your life. I was going to ask that. What would you tell her? Because does she need to find a man to get clapped? Or does she get that over with? She's been dealing with men, and she knows these guys have been love bombing and telling her what they think she wants to hear, but it ain't been serious. All I'm going to tell you is this, move at your space, but just think. Just think for a minute. You don't want to get up there and God... Look at you and he's like, man, you ain't did no living. You've been celibate for 17 years. I don't know if that's a good look. I don't think God's going to say that. No. What? No, no, no, he's not. No, no, no, no, no. But I like your advice, but I don't think God's going to say that. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No six, seven, nothing. God is not going to say that. You didn't gossip. What do you think? This guy is crazy, bro. I think you're right, though. I like what you said about she has to move at her own pace and find what she but... celibate forever is crazy. That's what I'm saying. You don't want to be there. She should get her back blown out. She's wet. What's she... Vincili, she got to hit one of them dicks in her phone. At some point. At some point. At some point. Hey, it's Richie. At some point. At some point, you're going to have to hit it. At some point. Oh, God. That's just my advice. Hit Richie at some point. You got to get that pussy up. You got to get that pussy up. Listen to the guru, man. Listen to the guru. I am an older and elder, if you will. I'm 52, now into the club scene and after being catfished by... What? A midget catfish. It's a midget story out there. Literally. 1 a.m. scared of the dating apps. I am 5'4 and take excellent care of myself. What suggestion do you have for a seasoned sister to meet like-minded men? So you got... Hold on, I'm trying to stay here. You got midget fished. That's crazy. You got midget fished. You got midget fished. Yo, you can't tell it. Next to the rules, too. Put me next to the take measure. Go stand next to the refrigerator. Go stand next to a refrigerator and take a body pick. You got catfished by midget? Midget fished. This is not right. Hold on. What's the question? What's the question? Where can she find seasoned men? You want a midget? No. She's 52. She got 5'4. She's taking care of herself. She's trying to figure out how to get into... Just keep... You don't go to the clubs. You're not on a dating apps. She's trying to date an app. She tried a dating app and that's how she got the midget fish. She got a cheat. Maybe she should go to church. You know, sometimes... She might need to go to church. Go to church. That's what I was going to say. That might be the best place for us. Go do something like give it back. Like work with your local... You know, the people that do give us back since stuff like that. Community efforts. Yeah, work with those. Maybe you run into a pastor or something. Maybe he... A pastor? Yeah, but you know, sometimes they... They be married and have girlfriends at the same time. So it's like, you know, maybe he can help you out. Because are you looking for a real relationship? Where are you? Why are you always going left, bro? We can't... Call me now! I'm just saying. 1,800 million, oh man. I'm with it. Keep trying, don't ever give up hope. Alright? Because it seems like she want to get that little pussy up. Because she like... She wants to be with somebody. She's not celibate. She wants to be with somebody. Not a midget. That was the older she was. Right, she wants to be with somebody. So just keep looking, man. If you don't go to clubs, you're not on the abs. Go to church. Go old school. Old school, like... If you're not meeting a person online, what you mean? She signed up for some like... Go to the gym. Get a membership. Get a membership. That's a good place. Well, definitely gym. Church. Community. Yeah. Maybe... Ride the train. What about the drinking art? Maybe drinking in art and art and... You got to get some art and... Go there with you, though. No, not necessarily. They got places... It's people already there. It's like single men already there. It's like a thing. I hang out at all the places that she don't want to be at. I'm on the internet. Strip club. Stop saying strip club. I quit. I quit. And I think that's a wrap. Before we get out of here, though... Yeah. This week, wanted to start something new. This podcast being called Let's Wrap About It. Right. We ended our first thing with a little freestyle. I think it's only right we keep that going. We have a freestyle session added to the Let's Wrap About It podcast. Let's do it. So, the new segment we're going to start off this week. It's with the homie, Keen Streets. Keen. Keen Streets out of Far Rock. VL Finest. Let's go. Let's wrap about it. See you all next week, ladies and gentlemen. Bye.