1148: Matty Fitz holds off Scottie, Bryson's WD and a Wild Week of LIV news

The right club. Be the right club today. Yes. That's better than most. How about in? It is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Live show presented as always by our friends at Titleist. I am Sally. I am joined by Mr. Icarito Neal. Schuster, hello Neal. I've been doing the Fitzpatrick arms shoulder. Shoulder arms. I'm fired up baby. Let's go. Careful. You're not going to be popular in the U.S. if you if you start taking after Matt Fitzpatrick. We haven't heard from him this week. Mr. T.C. though is back from a little bit of travel. Hello, T. Ron. Hello. What an electric finish. I loved it. Love seeing Fitz get it done. A lot. A lot to talk about tonight. We're of course going to talk about heritage. We're going to dive back into there were some live golf developments this past week, Toronto. And we missed you this past Wednesday. Gotta get T.C.'s take. It was bizarre. He's usually on the forefront of all information. Like anything that involves information T.C. is like bringing it to us. But he was traveling and he came back. So guys, I got no idea what's going on here. We're going to lift things. So he was up in the low country just off the grid. It was awesome. What a week for that. We're going to do a little bit of LPGA, some odds and ends and new fedora five. We're going to empty the notebook as well at the end. But as we know, Matt Fitzpatrick wins the heritage. Dylan Menante wins the Tulum championship. John Rom is winning or has won the live Mexico event at Chipultepec. Sayon Kim just took the lead at the JM Eagle LA championship, which is going on right now as we speak. They're going to be entering the back nine here shortly. But again, Matt Fitzpatrick, your winner at Harbor Town, dialed in all week long with his titleist, Provy 1X golf ball. Matt plays the Provy 1X for several reasons, one of them being the consistent trajectory and spin. He gets from it, fits right into the flight windows. He's looking to hit on the golf course and he's able to do everything he wants with it. Hit it higher, flight it down, increase spin, take spin, off shots, all the shots you need to win at Harbor Town. I'll call it his 26 foot apex drive on the 14th hole. I think it was 180 or 180 miles and one miles an hour off the tee with a 26 foot apex. We've seen him hit it plenty high as well. He just again, think back several years would have never thought Matt Fitzpatrick is a 180 ball speed guy. But here we are. Loves the field, the Provy 1X, which is slightly firmer than the Provy 1. He's actually played the Provy 1X since he was 15 years old. We hear tour players say it all the time, if you're not playing the right golf ball, it's costing you shots. And if you don't know what golf ball model best suits your game, you should go to tidalist.com to learn more and find out what golf ball best fits your game. Again, tidalist.com. Breaking down a little bit more on what has, what happened here. Matt Fitzpatrick took a three shot lead into the final round over Scottie Shefford, playing with him in the final group. There's a big group of players, just four shots back. Fitzbirdie the first and third holes to get his lead up to four shots, but Shefford birdied nine to get back within three heading into the back nine. He made an incredible up and down on the 11th hole, Fitz did to keep the lead at three from left ponder. Massive putt there. Huge putt there. Scottie and Seawood Kim both trimmed the lead to two when they both birdied the 15th hole in separate groups. Then Scottie stuffed it in there and rolled in a birdie on the 16th lead is down to one on 18. Wind whipping there on the 18th hole. Fitz found the waist area to the right, missed the green right. Scottie missed the green way right from the fairway, but hit an amazing pitch at the tap in range. Fitz rushed his chip a little bit, missed it way short to the delight of the fans surrounding the 18th screen. And then missed the putts that were off to a playoff and then Fitz proceeded to hit a four iron from 204 yards in the fairway to just 13 feet to the front left hole location with the wind in off the left. Scottie hit an awful six iron from 189 came up 37 yards short and right. One of the most bizarre shots I've ever seen Scottie hit, but Fitz made it not matter anyways, rolled in the 13 footer for his second win at Harbertown. Wife comes on the green. They're expecting big dose of perspective. Great moment for Fitz. Very, very happy for Fitz. And it was it was some big boy stuff. Second win here in the last couple of months with a runner up there as well at the players in March. It's been the best stretch of golf that Matt Fitzpatrick has ever played. First two time international winner at Harbertown. I think I heard Nance drop that stat as well. I mean, it seems like a comfy, comfy spot for, for Mr. Fitz as TC as we know, used to fly across the pond growing up just, just to go see that lighthouse baby. Spends some time on just vacationing and Hilton head from, from England kind of cracks me up. That's good stuff. That's a, that's a like a big trek. Yeah. For sure. From central England. I went back and listened to TC in 2018. We interviewed him in Abu Dhabi when we went and you said to him, like you, you seem destined to win at Harbertown. You said, and he's like, yeah, if I win Harbertown, I might just retire. He's like, I'd rather win. I'd rather win that than the master. She said something along those lines. I think he was kind of kidding about that in his post round with Amanda as well, which is, you know, quite a statement. I remember in, oh gosh, this would have been like pretty early on. What year did he win the, the, the USM? Any idea? 18, I want to say I'll look that up though. Oh, no, he, no, I'm sorry. 15, I meant 15. Okay. Is that right? 15 or 16. Randy and I are just watching him hit balls on the range at Harbertown. And maybe this was 2014 when we were there. We had our initial NLU board meeting and all that stuff and Fitz is just hitting these low, just low line drives, not really getting any apex on them. And you're like, man, like, I don't know if this kid's long enough to compete out here on tour. And sure enough, he, he just, you know, like he's carved out such an exceptionally impressive career. Yeah, I feel like I saw an interview. I know I saw an interview with him recently, like maybe around players where he was talking about how he, you know, chase speed and kind of hinted that maybe, you know, he was 75th in the world this time last year or something, something in the 70s. I mean, he was kind of becoming the forgotten man. And then he started the ball out again over the summer. It seems like he's dialed back some of the, like he got the speed, Solly. I mean, correct me if you disagree with this, but it feels like he found the speed and now he's, you know, not over swinging. And maybe that got him into some trouble when he was chasing the speed as we've seen with other players. Well, I would, I would hesitant to classify what he's done is chasing speed with a negative connotation because he was a below average distance player and then chased speed got it and won the U.S. Open in 2022 and became seven and a half yards longer than tour average and 4% more accurate off the tee than tour average. Like he combined accuracy and distance very, very well. And his distance actually dropped off relatively speaking over the last two years. He's been about average in 24 and 25. Now he's back to about four of a little over four yards longer than tour average and distance and 10% more accurate. So he, I think you're right. He's not swinging. I don't think he's trying to get everything he possibly can out of the balls off the tee, which like if he's doing that and touching 180 miles an hour, like, dude, you don't need yet. You don't need to be massively long. If you're going to be that accurate. I mean, it's a very, very clear skill that he has and he's gaining 73 tenths of a shot per round off the tee right now, which is the best of his career and one of the best drivers at the golf ball in the world. And T you called it out earlier on in slack just his way he turns through the ball like the torso. Why he gets it feels like he gets a ton of lag on that club. He just makes a real full turn back and through. It's just generates a lot of torque, man. It's impressive for like, it still surprises me when I see him swim like, man, he's just really, you know, you don't expect him to be able to move it like that. And, and he does. Yeah, I think the hit some injury issues 2324 and then yet to arrest the free fall that he was in first half of last year and then went on a big run last summer got on the Ryder Cup team and has has kept it rolling is is super impressive. Because that's the kind of thing that you start falling outside the top 100 you start pressing start, you know, changing stuff you start losing the DNA of who you are. I think, you know, he's like, that's a that's a tough thing to come back from both, you know, injury and loss of form. So, which I think I'm not, I did not disagree with you when this when you said this to see but I think we did a Ryder Cup pot about a year ago like sometimes spring 2025 and you were like, I think I have a lot of time to get back to the top 100. And you were like, I was not on my team is Matt Fitzpatrick. And I was like, well, yeah, that clearly he's not right now and to go, you know, he was easily part of the team by the end of last year and now to have this this stretch of golf and and success and get the results out of it too. I mean, you could place him really good golf and like have a runner up in the players and, you know, have a T three somewhere else and not feel like you got as much out of it but I'm sure he wish he had a better masters last week but wins this now he's going to go play with his brother at the Zerik this week. I think life is very good. I hope that I hope the Fitzpatrick pros make it onto this week's four door five. They better as a unit. So I got a question for you two wins already this year second of the players. I mean, are we going to have the dude conversation with Fitzpatrick? I don't think he's just dude. I think he's a dog. I don't think he's just asking. I'm not suggesting I'm just asking. It's a great question. I think it would take some real longevity with this. I think there's some other guys in line ahead of him as well. I mean, it's I think Fitz. I don't want to talk about how much distance he's gained and then say something like there's a certain class of golf course that fits his playing profile. But I do believe that the Valspar and heritage are similar tests and as we as we have pointed out, like the signature events are like more accuracy contest than they are distance contest. So I think it she should have a very, very heavy goes up to number two or number one. He's number two now in the FedEx Cup, which is equal to 30th when it comes to play when it comes to tour championship. But you know, it has been a wildly good run and a dude. No, not quite not quite. This is only what I'm sure the audience is asking. You know, this is only a four PGA tour win, including the U.S. Open. Like let's let's not get ahead of ourselves. He's won 10 times over on that other tour. I was gonna say, T.C. You're gonna nuke your own arguments for Tommy. You know, you better start throwing those BDEs overseas in there. Come on, man. No, that's just not gonna make it work for any company. We're only looking at two top 10s in majors in the last three years. Yeah. So yeah, not quite gonna need a lot more. What are you a great man? He could be a future great man. Fair enough. A great man in training. He's he's he's doing Catillion. What'd you guys make of the of the crowd situation over those last several holes? Like listen, I don't mind the crowd being boisterous. USA chants are so fucking corny, man. They're so stupid. This isn't a team competition. This isn't the Ryder Cup fits isn't some like fits is not T.R.L. Hatton or Rory or Ian Poulter fits is fits. Right. I think the level headed dude has lived in the United States for a long time now. I don't know. I think it's out of bounds personally. Yeah, I I can under the golf is the way golf works is you have favorites and you have people that the rile up the crowd and you have people that don't like that's that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying the crowd should be equally loud for Matt Fitzpatrick as it should for Scottie Sheffler, number one player in the world, four time major winner like is starting to galvanize crowds and and bring us excitement into golf. That's not what I'm saying. I would expect Scottie's cheers and the excitement around the run he was making to be louder than if Fitzpatrick went and slammed the door. I don't think like it seems unsporting to be cheering when he hits a poor pitch on the 18th hole when he makes the boat. He missed the putt in regulation. You know, the crowds kind of went nuts. I know I get you're excited for a little bit extra golf and some playoff, but like he's done nothing to warrant that and it just isn't the British crowd. Like when the Americans go over and play in the UK, like the British crowds treat those players with respect and yeah, they had their favorites and they're going to root for their Rory's and they're going to root for their hometown people. But like I'm always kind of amazed at how much respect and, and you know, kind of applause and cheers that American players get when they play abroad. So it's just this totally invented thing that seems to be kind of not it's not getting out of control, but it's definitely trending in one direction. And I think last year's Ryder Cup is pretending to a lot of this and it just is. It's just, Nance called it jingoistic and I'm going to call that out. When you get a jingoistic at a dance, that's he addressed it though on the on they had a pretty hearty 10, 15 second discussion about it. So it was very noticeable to everybody watching. It's just lame to me. Like it, you know, I know you're not going to like police crowds, but it's just lame. Well, I put it in the category of, you know, the, the get in the whole guy. There's no creativity to it to make it kind of a. Yeah. Jingoistic thing. And I have less of a problem with the USA thing is just like, okay, whatever wrong setting for that and uncreative, but the cheering, the cheering when something goes wrong is the same thing at the players. I don't like that. Like cheering when he hits a bad chip is where it's like, okay, that's a little uncomfortable. So, but he had, I mean, seemed that he handled it well, came back and birdied. And we got also acknowledged. I mean, Fred McGriff, crime dog, follow through ends up right at the stick. I mean, he missed that, that approach. Like he got, he kind of, I don't know if he missed it. I think he just happy accident. Bob Ross style there. Like you can't miss it and land it there with that. He didn't look like it. I would think he probably pulled it and probably thought it's going left, left. And there was enough winds holding that up off. You know, they just kept it from, from diving left like it could have. Yeah. I don't, I don't mind the Fred McGriff follow through on that. I mean, that was an incredible shot. A couple of things though with, with Fitz, it's like, I mean, I kind of set up before the masters. Like he's not, I'd like Matt Fitzpatrick, but he is not the most exciting guy to root for. Like you were at, you know, you're saying like he's not Ian Polter, but he is kind of a stand in for like maybe boring golfer to like casual fans, you know, and here comes like world number one trying to track them down. And I guess I can understand that. I don't love it, but I can understand that. And then I think something else is, is, you know, he's real analytical and the pace is almost bipolar. It's like he's, you know, sometimes he's taken forever like 15. He took like five minutes to hit it and, you know, his approach into 15. And then he, then he rushes the shit. And then it's like he's playing super fast. You know, so the, the, the pace thing is interesting. But I think maybe some of that with the gallery is a factor. I don't know. It was when too, like while the wind was down, like not so much on the chip, but on the, on the approach in regulation into 18, I don't know, just like zooming out a little bit. The finishing stretch at Harbor town rules, like even before you get to 18, I think 14, like 13, 13 such an unbelievably cool par four yet to be so oddly accurate off the T 14 is one of the hardest par threes on the entire tour. 15 is a brilliant par five. And then 16, you know, wonky little par four where wind switched guys are hitting drivers there and then 17 is, is, uh, like you got to hit a really good golf shot straight into the wind there coming out of the stretch. And then 18 is like, that's a really hard hole, just a par. It's, it's, uh, it's a pretty, yeah, like that was, that was a good, that was a good white knuckle finish there from fits of just, he's kind of on cruise control, made a couple early birdies and then just fighting to get pars, you know, chipped really well and Scotty's breathing down his neck and, and then, and then see who was making some noise up ahead too. So 14 pars in a row until that last bogey, I think what he birdied one in three and then just stray pars and he made 27 or 28 holes in a row without a bogey before it before that. Yeah. His previous, he bogeyed one in three yesterday. Um, and then did not make a bogey until 18, seven for seven scrambling up until he did not get up and down. I mean, Scotty, same thing. I, I, for me, it looked like Scotty had a C plus game today, which is, I don't know if that, if it, if that's scary, you know, he just, he just, he just, he just, he just hung around with awesome, awesome short game, awesome scrambling, but he lost strokes in his approach play. They just looked just kind of clanky all day. Like that, you know, the one, the one in the playoff at the 18 was like, yeah, man, he just was missing greens when you're like, damn, that's not, that's not normal. Um, from Scotty, but he's still like, again, even with his average game, he's just like almost tracks tracks him down. He's just the guy is water, man. He's Aquaman. He's just going to keep coming. He's up and down. He holds the, the, the up and down on 15, like those bunkers have a lot of sand in them. Great shot there. Poor's in the pot on 16 for birdie. And then like we just see his chipping prowess, you know, on full display there. It's not fair. And the way he gets his hands, like his practice swing, he almost like, you know, he gets it like, and then he goes like, you know, vertical with it. I don't know. It's a funky looking motion. Uh, like the kind of cut movie puts on it. It's just, God, he never misses though. It's really like that's new, really, really tight turf there too. Well, he did kind of miss a chip on 14 and then he just steps up and drains that putt. Like it's no big deal. Like he's just like came up like 20 yards short on 14 as well. Like, I don't know if that was a miss club or what, but he almost barely carried or barely carried the water there. That was the thing to scrapey round from the wind was down. Like I played the course on Wednesday and thought, like, holy shit, this place is hard. Like it's just, and no, and granted, the wind was all over the place, but the greens were so firm in to watch the guys with no wind this week, just rip this place up. And what I thought was like, all right, this place is three or four shots harder than it was before over a, over a 72 hole span. We saw a little bit of it down the stretch with the wind kicking up and everything. But, but man, like it's just, these guys are good. Like the scores starting out this week were so low Thursday and Friday. It's a hard, you know, there's, there's a lot to like about this being the tournament right after the Masters, but it is hard from an approach place standpoint of like, you know, you kind of miss a lot of the missed iron shots coming down the stretch. You're like, ah, they'll get that up and down. Ah, he can get that up and down. And I know there was some exceptional short game put on display, but that's what makes so much about Augusta so good is like, yeah, you missing certain spots and you're just, you're toast or like there's a lot of intrigue still remaining in those shots. And I guess I was hoping for maybe just a little bit more severity around those greens and with contouring. And I get it's a, you know, you know, low country golf and that contouring would need to be pretty dramatic and probably inauthentic looking, but, um, and it's also like the long answer to this is going to be discussion about technology and this being a resort course and the pros only playing at one time a year and you want to make it fun and friendly for people that pay hundreds of dollars to go play it. And that probably should rule the day, but that was a takeaway I had from watching this week as well, which is kind of like, you know, shocker. Augusta Nationals really fun and amazing to watch the pros play. And this was a little, a little bit of a transition back into PGA tour golf for me. T.C. I'm curious at the rough seem pretty benign and it's all I'm almost like, man, should I would have loved to see the sand, the native or the waste areas play more of a factor. Like if they just redid this place, I feel like that's where you could have made it. If you want to keep the rough down, I'm cool with that or, um, you know, but it didn't feel very penal, like off the tee today, at least for me. If you're, if you're going to try to challenge these guys and saw it. I mean, I, you know, I don't want to grow crazy rough, but it just seemed like hitting in the rough was not, not a factor at all. Um, it wasn't. Yeah. I mean, there was no rough out there. Really. It was, it's pretty, pretty benign. There's a little bit left of two and a couple of their spots. And I, I was expecting the changes to be more dramatic that they made. They, they added some, uh, the biggest changes are they, they took away cart pass and added native or, you know, sandy waste area in spots like right of 16 fairway. Um, they added some stack sod pop bunkers in spots, added a few more around, uh, really changed five, five's the biggest, biggest alteration that really changed the location of that green, the pond a little bit and all of that. But otherwise it's just little nip and tucks here and there. I think they reshaped 15, 15 green a little bit, um, added some bulkheads and spots, but like it didn't feel like a restoration or renovation as much as just like a rejuvenation. It was like, which it just went to the spa for a little bit. The grass, I mean, a really impressive grow in. Um, but yeah, it's, it's not, you know, it's, it's definitely a tactical. Like you pick this place apart. It's not a overpower it. And so I think that's the most impressive thing about Scotty to me though is the fact that he can go from Augusta one week, charging, charging, charging to harbour town the next week and playing completely different style of golf and playing it just as well. Um, you know, and, and I do like like harbour town. I do like trees as hazards a little bit as far as like that, like that second shot into 15, it's amazing how high these guys hit their, their fairway woods. But just no problem. Yeah. Those trees nuts. So, uh, well, an example of what I was kind of referring to is they called it out on the broadcast that they brought back the waste area on the right side of the fairway on 18. Yeah. To, to, you know, so because that fairway is like what 80 yards wide. And so there is a little bit of a, you know, you just got to think about missing right there. I just would love to see, I would love to see more of that today. More, more of these guys like playing out of the waste area or just, it just didn't seem like a factor, like you're to miss it really bad. It felt like to play out of there. Like I forget what hole that was that fits hit it in the waste area when the balls above his feet. It was like an uneven lie in the waste area. Yeah. The same reason like Pinehurst number two, where it's like, yo, it could be, well, it could be easy. It's just crap. Shoot. Like you don't know when you hit it in the wire grass at number two, like you're going to find it. It might be in a clump or it might be like totally playable. And I think that game of chance, I think it kind of messes with these guys a little bit more so sometimes than just like thick rough does, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, man, like the bad luck of that can really throw these guys for a loop. And I, you know, I guess I'm just wishing there was more of that. Maybe they should just cut down any rough whatsoever. It's what I was kind of getting at. You like let it run out, right? And then then it's a little bit more like you're saying you've got to be thoughtful about your lines and stuff. But having just like kind of a little bit of rough was just pointless to me. That that was I'm watching it. I was saying that to myself, like for most of the back nine, I'm like, well, that's pointless, which that could have been something I feel like they've had longer rough here in the past. Yeah. It's been something where they just couldn't get that down and growing enough because like they grew this in, you know, like, I think the course has only been reopened since November. So yeah, it is a the the the the great thing about Harbor Town, though, it is like you can't take the P break during the tee shot, right? There's something to watch on every tee shot. There's consequences on all the tee shots. And, you know, I don't love tree line golf courses, but I do like watching the pros play this one. Like it's so well designed around the trees and you kind of we know it pretty well. Like, oh, you better be in the right part of 13. That's going to be interesting. Go left on 14 or on 15. That's going to be a big problem. It did look like like the like the slope on 14 green, for instance, that was like severe. Like that was, you know, you know, watching putts and how they reacted there. And that's already such a difficult hole and made that punish, you know, that I don't have the numbers behind it, but look like bailing left of 14 is even more intimidating now. Over there. Yeah, which made Fitz's shot he hit in there today. Really, really freaking good. So it's a great day. It was a great day for Fitz and you can make the day a great day with the all new high noon day pack. This new variety eight pack will be available year round to keep the sun shining and the good times rolling crafted with real vodka and real juice. The high noon day pack brings together pear, cranberry, tangerine and peach. If you've not had the cranberry, it is a sneaky good flavor. I don't love the cranberry guy. I love peach and the tangerine, but the cranberry and pineapple are just not for me. I don't like the cranberry. 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HBGolf.com and all you 10 for 10% off is still the only discount code on the market. And all you 10 tell your friends about it. You want to go down the board a little bit, TC? I'll let you let you cook just a little. I would love to. We mentioned Siwu earlier. I don't know if you guys watch Siwu's chasing Sunday unheard like the outtakes. It's just 15 minutes of Siwu basically talking to many of you, J. Gus, his his caddy. Best thing I watched all week. It might be better than the actual chasing Sunday. I only watched a few minutes of it. I haven't finished it, but it's just like, dude, that was the outtakes. Yeah, it's just like, it's not it's not interesting, but it's so interesting. Like, you know what I mean? There's nothing really that actually happens, but it's just like it's kind of like a trap draw. It's 15 minutes of chatter and just one liners and reactions that don't really tie together at all. But it all makes sense at the same time. Like it's just it's good stuff, you know, talking about, oh, you get that low knuckle drive and we're 50 yards behind Ludwig A. Berg. Like it's just, I don't know. It's just the kind of commentary you're looking for out of golf. So I will encourage everyone to watch that and encourage PGA tour. Keep making that kind of stuff, please. Thank you. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. I had to the PJ tour YouTube for that. It was outstanding. Call more. Call. Well, says he's still terrified to hit, you know, to hit golf shots. Like he's getting an offer. A lot of good PR from this back. He sees dog and I'm solid. Doesn't dare as a man with dad back doesn't dare to dog him for this. You see privately called a performance art and I'm like, that's not how back entries work. That's just absolutely not how back entries work. A lot of mileage out of this. So T four for him. I'm not letting you slide past this. Like that's how back stuff works. Like you can get to a level of your back where you like can technically play, can technically play pretty well, but you're terrified with every movement that you're going to absolutely blow it out. Certain lies, certain situations you get yourself in. You're just like worst thing in the world. It's the worst thing in the world. It is. There's nothing worse in the world than a back injury playing golf, but I won't let you won't let you get off on, on dismissing Collins injury. Oh, you need to send him some rap gel. Get him, get him dialed with some drug tests on the PGA tour. I don't think you can use rapid gel. He should go over and see Luca's guy over in Spain or Switzerland or whatever. Wherever he's getting his blood spinning down. Uh, we got H.E. T four for H.E. as well. And then week for H.E. And then Ludwig too. So anything I just see, I can't figure it out, man. There's just some low hanging fruit to clean up. If you can get it cleaned up, it's going to be. This feels like a Sunday's problem, man. It's not just a Sunday problem. I mean, he played like shit on, on, on like he shot 63 on Thursday. He played like shit on Friday. Just a lot of clanky, weird wedge shots. There's we just got to clean it up. And that's all there is to it. I was thinking about this and I'm a huge Ludwig Oberg fan. I'm are you consistently? I'm consistently rooting for Ludwig. You just ruined him for me. But I was thinking about this. It reminds me of like a D a mighty ducks D2 player like from Iceland. Like just so clearly talented, but like, you kind of know how the movie ends. And you're like, well, that guy's not going to win. And like, I know how good you are, but like, this is a story about somebody else winning right now is kind of how I feel like watching him on Sundays. It's, I was going to say, I mean, it's not just Sunday's. He shot 70, 68, 70 the last three rounds and just wasn't great off the tee this week. Um, his chipping wasn't great. Potter looks like it's improving. I don't, I don't want to do the thing where we dog a guy though for top five finish. I was going to say, he keeps putting himself in good spots. He's playing great golf though. It's like his B game too. It's not as over week. It's yeah, starting to look pretty regular. Bud Colley, solo seventh, can ever count him out. Ricky Fowler, T8, useful for him. Kurt Kediama, Patrick Cantlay, Gary Woodland. Gary Woodland's eagle to finish on 18 was one of the more impressive shots. I've, I've seen this year. Uh, any, any time you make a two on 18 at Harbor town, that's, that's remarkable. Matt McCarty, good, good week for him. Uh, I'm at McCarty T12. And I think he's a guy that likes to shape the ball, not always the most accurate off the tee and solid. Was there a trend this week of guys that aren't the most accurate drivers with a golf ball playing well here? It seemed like, like I know potgater got off to a good start. Um, obviously we saw, we saw a few other guys that were like, potgater finished tee 25, but there were, there were some bombers up there early on. So this, uh, data golf judges this and it's a scale of five different options, right? Strongly favors accuracy, favors accuracy, neutral favors distance, fav, strongly favors distance. And this ended up on favors accuracy. So not quite strongly favors them, but, uh, favors like clearly favored accurate players this week over, over bombers, but less so than in the past. I almost, almost exactly how it has been in the past, extremely close to it, but they're skewed after the first couple of days. And then I think it skewed and then I think it normalized today. Well, um, today was actually the day that favored the bombers the most. Um, and the rest of them were, were relatively pretty similar to how it has played in the past. Okay. Uh, what else? We got disease X at T 12, even Fisk got in the, in, in here as a, um, I think it's kind of a makeup for, uh, for winning. Yeah. For a century, cause there was no century this year. No century winners got into this. Making account T 12. I laid it into a T 12 goes from 141 to 96 FedEx cup. Uh, what else we got? How about Michael Kim today? 62 she's got, uh, up 44 spots, T 25. Well, I'm going to point your, I'm going to point your eyes to T 33 TC. Uh, if you'll allow it, you said something last week. I don't remember what it was exactly. I didn't have time to look it up. It was like, if he doesn't do it at Harbor town, we're going to revisit it. That made me paraphrasing. We're re revisiting cause he didn't do it at Harbor town this week. He didn't do it at Harbor town. I don't, it wasn't, did you say you're going to like quit or, or I think you said, he's not playing good golf. Like you're going to retire. Speed. I don't know if he does it last off the T or he was 72nd out of 80 out of 82 guys and big tone doesn't even really count for how he's playing right now. He was 67th and approaching the green. Uh, just bad golf. He was number one in putting food. Of course he won eight shots. God damn it, Jordan. Oh, really? Just bad golf over. Are you quitting him or are you regretting your comments? 69 approach play. I'm going to take a break. I'm going to take a break from speed. What does that mean? I'm going to take a sabbatical. This is going to go to speed rehab. Good. Check himself in for a month. I'm going to go to passages of Malibu. Um, a couple, a couple of questions here before we move off this. Uh, all right. Is is Harbor town and RBC heritage at this event? So this event stays the same. Is it a no brainer signature event when they change the schedule in 2028 for you guys? Like, does it in the new PGA tour future of the PGA tour? Is it? Is it a hundred percent in your camp of like, they better have a signature event here. Um, for me, so it's a funny one. So it's like, it's, I get very nostalgic about this event. It feels like comfort food a little bit. Like I, you know, but it's kind of sleek. It's kind of sleepy. I mean, I took a fell asleep for about 45 minutes watching this afternoon. You know, if it kind of feels like golf was in, you know, growing up, like truly a throwback telecast, uh, just easy listening. It's a week after the masters though. It's always a little bit of a like tough one to, you know, get super duper hyped for. It's just kind of a good one to, like I enjoy watching it, but I don't get super jacked up for it. So I don't know if it's, if that's because of the date. Um, but I think it would survive as a non-signature event. I think it almost, it feels less like a signature event to me. And I don't want that to be a knock at the turn. Does that make sense at all? Yeah, I think it makes total sense. I think it gets a lot less interesting, obviously, as a non-signature event. Like I love that if they're going to have this event, the top players have to play. The top players going. So that's, yeah. So like, it makes a big difference in the watch versus, you know, it being the mule fest. But I don't know. I don't remember where I heard this or, you know, as a rumor and we obviously don't know what's coming in 2028, but the, the, the word on the street was maybe, and again, this probably has not been decided was that RBC may like rotate annually, the Canadian open and the heritage as being signature events as a possibility. And that would make sense. I haven't heard anything else about that since I haven't either, but like that, that idea would make sense to me. Like I don't think, like I, I, I would totally watch this and think this would make sense as a signature event, but I, it's not a hundred percent for me. It's not like a, if they took this one away from as a signature event for the future, I would have a problem with it. Some of them I would, some of them I think are need to be mainstays and the history matters a ton. I'm not fully, fully convinced there if that answer makes sense. I think that every other year would be kind of the like perfect happy medium of like, all right. Oh yeah. It's a signature. Like all the, all the dudes are showing up at Harbor town every other year is, um, I don't know, maybe, maybe it would make me more jacked up in the signature year. So I think on the flip side though, that gets weird with a with Canadian open of like, are they going to have a full field national open event every other year and with a bunch with probably 20 sponsor exemptions into it from Canada and then it just gets trickier for the fan. Right. I think Harbor town, it does feel like a throwback in the best way. Like it feels like going to a PGA tour event from the mid nineties, especially when you're out on the front nine or through the meat of the back nine. And then it feels more like a big time sporting event when you're on 15 through 18. But that said, and it's like, it's one of the only tournaments that they play in the right area at the right time of year. Yeah. Like the turf conditions are good. The weather's usually great. Guys love playing it. And but yeah, it just, it just feels, it was a little inherently unserious the week after the masters where a lot of guys are just like, even though some in the field are just, Hey, I'm just trying to chill, man. I'm just trying to chill. But then you look at the, the list of winners as well. Like we're just driving in on Wednesday and the list of winners is crazy. I'm just, they're just dudes going back into the seventies and eighties. I mean, just dudes, dozens and dozens of dudes. So yeah, I'm kind of totally torn on it. I think I'd love it if it was a signature event, not the week after the masters. Yeah, I think that they just straight up took the week off. Like let's say they take the week after the masters off and then they come back with this something. I think that would make a lot of sense. Cleaning up a couple other PGA tour news and notes before we get to probably the main event, I think of tonight. Max Homa had some comments earlier this week said, I don't like when people, he was asked about a question about Sergio and about, I think about a code of conduct violations or something like that. So I don't like people break clubs. I don't like when people beat up the golf course because we deal with it. And I think breaking clubs makes us look very, very spoiled. I try my absolute best not to do it. And when it does happen, as far as slamming a T box, I'm very upset with myself because we're lucky to play this game where we do. And I think this is a bad look. Max was also on camera today, chucking a club from the waste area after a poor shot from this area. Some great audio. I recognize that sound. I've been that guy before. Max has taken quite a beating online for this. I'd say mostly justified, like technically by the letter of what he said, he said, I don't like people break clubs. I would think throwing clubs would be very much in the spirit of this. He also did allude to it. I want to say in his comments about like, I'm very upset with myself when I do that. He is not claiming that he is above this. And he said, it makes us look very, very spoiled when we do this. I don't believe he was casting stones at others. When he said that, I think he would include himself in this as somebody who has these outrageous butt happened the same week. He said this, he is going to take an absolute shelling for this. I'm not saying he does not deserve it. It is quite ironic after, and I'm sure he's like, ah, man, as soon as I said that I chucked a club, that one's going to sting a little bit. That one hurts. Not great. Yeah. Go ahead, DZ. I mean, he didn't damage the course. Could have. But he was also talking about it just from the context of role models and what about the children? I think we've got a hitting cup series coming out this week that I chucked a club in this video. Wow. So I apologize to the children as well. Then I'd probably make a bird. Way out in front of that one. So, no, I mean, I think that was probably strike 98 for Sergio at the Masters. I think Max has maybe a little bit more built up credibility and goodwill than, then I mean, yeah, she just take his medicine. He should, he should get heat for it. I mean, the two, the two-handed Tomahawk. I mean, if you're going to do it, make it worth it. It was hostile. I have a, I mean, I haven't chucked one in a while. Maybe I need to get one. As soon as I saw myself do it in the band and crossings video, I was like, I, I'm going to hopefully never do that again. Like that. It's just such a tough. It feels good in the moment. Like it feels like you got to get it out. Then you watch it back and you're like, ah, yeah, maybe don't want to let that live on the internet forever. It's kind of a once or twice a year thing for me. Like I just, I can't have this club in my hands any longer. I thought I was teed you up there for, yeah, that time I did it in front of Ludwig when I almost hit Ben when he was behind the camera. It wasn't up for me. I just had to get the club out of my hands after what I just felt. He electrocuted himself. After he double hit it. Oh my God. I know what's happening on social tomorrow. They're going to grab these clips. As they should. Damn it. Damn, he's social team. T.C. I was just looking back through the winners and heritage. It is. I mean, it is a lot of dudes and it's a lot of multi-time winners. Like weekly back to back. You're Rick, obviously Davis love. But God, Hale Irwin won three times here. Payne Stewart back to back. Buzzy Zeller won twice. So it's just, yeah, certain guys are just super duper comfortable. Watson won twice here. That's interesting. It's like it's incredible that they've got all these portraits around the clubhouse as well. Johnny Miller twice. And they've got one of Carl Pedersen in these massive Nike sunglasses and this bright green, orange, bright green, like fluorescent shirt with the broomstick putter on. It's they got one of Brian Gay in there. The great man Brian Gay won this thing by 10 shots. You guys remember that? Yeah. 10 strokes. Mine. He was minus 20 in 2009. Over Brian Baird and LB. Yep. Geez. Geez. Other other, you know, PGA tour adjacent news this week. Kevin Kisner of the NBC broadcast and of the four play podcast went on the four play podcast to absolutely shred CBS. Let them up their coverage of the masters. Saying everything's on tape. You know, I'd rather just watch it on the app. Just at what he went nuclear. I think it's it's it's fair to say what nuclear we were critical of them for some of the same things. But we are not. I don't think Kisner was wrong. He was wrong on maybe a couple of things, but it's all it was just very rich coming from the lead, the lead analyst on the NBC golf broadcast, which is very regularly a crime against humanity. That's well said. I, I, that's exactly right. He was not wrong. And also you should not be throwing stones. A lot of the stuff wrong with NBC is not your fault, Kis. I would say it, but you've put your, you kind of put your team in a really tough spot there of, yeah, they're not, but they do to the Ryder Cup. What they do with the U S open is as TC said, a crime against humanity. And you just put up even more of a microscope on that. And we're going to be, I mean, it's, yeah, it's like kids, you're living in an aquarium, the, the, the glassiest of houses. You know, I don't know if you need to be chucking those stones, brother. And this is like, it was a poor effort from CBS, a file accounts. You guys, you got to see it. I did not get to see it. TC, but they're running a great operation on a week to week basis. They've greatly improved it. And NBC is running something else other than a great operation. So getting them on, they're piling on them while they're at their worst. It's just not the best look if you're going to be working for any, he walked it back. He apologized for it. You know, he didn't walk it back. Obviously, you know, he said he crossed the line and apologized for, for the criticism. So I'm glad he at least did that, but that was a, that was a news story of his past week. I do get a kick when I see these clips of him on four, I get a kick out of his podcast setup. It's just like, you know, on his basement couch, you know, it's, it's a, he said his mom's basement. Yeah. Just like, just he's not one of us, man. It's good stuff. TC, I've gotten word that we are getting a new Fedora five tonight. Do you want to do that now? Do you want to do that later? What do you want? We can do it now. Let's do it now. Okay. We're going to bell Cody. Do it. We have, we have, we have white smoke. White smoke. All right, guys. It's, it's Zurich. It's Zurich week. Big one. Oh, it's everybody going to have a partner for. I thought about doing partners. We're not going to do partners. I thought about it, but coming in at number five, he has been unseated. Pete. He is a number five. I couldn't drop him all the way out, but he played this week, but he did not play this week because I don't think he had anywhere to play this week. Sure. So P is number five. Next up, Jackson, Coyven stays at number four. No, I'm sorry. I'm getting, I'm getting word that both the Fitzpatrick's and P are tied at number five. Okay. Okay. Three way tie at five. Cool. And if they win this week in New Orleans, they automatically go to number one. Okay. Automatically, automatically. Okay. Do not pass go Jackson Coyven is number four. He won his 10th collegiate event earlier this week. Is Jackson Coyven on next year's Ryder Cup team? He should be. I need to be honest. He, he probably should have played in the masters too. It's kind of a bummer that they didn't give him a special invite. Number three, we've got Cam Young. Cam Young is playing, playing great golf right now, entering himself into the dude conversation. Number two, Scotty Schaeffler. I think Scotty's, you know, Scotty's trending and he's not even like, he's got like his C plus B minus game right now. So I think Scotty's, that's an interesting one. TZ, I agree with you. He's trending. He doesn't feel hot. It's a hot though. You know, I know, you know, this is a predictive future looking index. So this, this is predicated upon Scotty playing well here in the future. And then number one's Rory. I had to do it to him after winning the masters and, and, uh, are we going to see him at Doral in a couple of weeks? I assume that's the next thing we'll see him. So I would imagine he skipped this one knowing what's upcoming. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, um, we'll see how he does it. Doral, big brawny, long golf course. He's not playing with, uh, with Shane and Zurich. I don't think so. I think he kind of regretted winning that one because he had to go back to return the next year. I think Shane's playing with Brooks. Okay. I think that's right. Maybe that was part of Brooks's penance for coming back. There you go. Super weird situation this week where, uh, Keppke was the last alternate to get into the field this week, uh, which meant two other guys, you know, if Keppke gets into a field, it expands on to two more, two more guys, but, or it would have been a total of three, but he ended up not getting into the field, but they all had to sit there and wait. Yeah. Talked to a couple of those guys earlier. And then so Keppke gets into Zurich. So they have to let another two teams. Holy shit. Is that what Smiley got an invite? He said, I don't know if he's playing, but I think Smiley got invited. I'm not heard as of the recording of this pod, whether or not he's going to play or not, but. Any good, uh, any good teams we've seen or we want to save that? We can save that. I haven't, uh, I haven't dove into, into Zurich, but a little preoccupied with some other stuff. Yeah. This past week. But anyway, guys, there's your fedora five Alex Fitzpatrick. If you can, if you guys can win this week, I will overlook the fact that it's a team event and you can kind of coast in here on, you know, on the strength of winning at Dr. Mujals place as well. I got, I can read a couple. We got Wyndham Clark, Taylor Moore, Fitzpatrick brothers, Brooks and Shane are playing together. Big tone and Max Grazerman, saw hith and Aaron Rye, Mackenzie Hughes and Taylor Pendrith, TC. And that's a, that'll be a good squad for you. Nick Hardy, Davis Riley, Cam Davis, Jeff Ogilvy, Nick Dunlap, Gordon Sargent. Interesting. Billy Horschel, Tom Hogy, a few squads there. I may be it like Alex Fitzpatrick gets PJ tour status if he wins, right? Which like one DP world tour this week and his brothers, one of the hottest players in the world right now. Like it's not another question at all. That would be very interesting to follow. You know, this coming week fits. Yeah. Alex's game is not, you know, quite the same from a, from a bombing perspective or kind of speed perspective as maths is, but that's not saying he couldn't get there. Like guys out on tour are absolutely bombing it right now. Every week it feels like we're seeing just more and more ridiculous ball speeds pop up. And the question is like, why? These guys are already some of the fastest players in the world. Why is everybody getting faster? It's pretty simple. The strokes gain data very clear. Distance is a massive advantage in golf. The closer you get to the hole, the easier the game gets. That does not just apply to tour players. If you're an amateur trying to shoot lower scores, adding distance is one of the most impactful things you can do. That's where the stack system comes in. Speed training system that pairs awesome hardware with an app that guides you through the entire process. The workouts are insanely fast. It takes about 20 minutes plus a 15 minute stretching program. 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It put it in its mouth and like tried to run away with it and then realized it was hooked in. T.C. A couple other teams. You got Blades Brown and Luke Clanton together. And then you've got Michael Brennan and Johnny Kiefer, which that's a fun one. Signed in for that. Marco, the flashy wide boy of Marco Penge and Matt Wallace, Hal Tong Lee and Jordan Smith, and Ryan Gerard David Ford. I think Ford is out. I think it might be Sudarshan. Really? So an informant. Okay. Yellow Mirage. Sign me up, either way. We will have plenty more. Actually, probably not that much more on next week's episode because it's going up against an LPGA major next week. But all right, for the main event, some things happen. Of course, it's an RBC week. Of course, some things happened on the live course. Yeah, of course. This past week, those poor guys, they might want to sponsor live at this point. Actually, it might not be the best time to do that. If you missed our Wednesday show, a very quick debrief here. We're going to not start from absolute scratch. We had about a 50-minute conversation on Wednesday evening if you want to go back and check that on the NLAA podcast channel, YouTube channel, or on our feed anywhere. But there were reports from many entities, including the Financial Times, the New York Times, the Telegraph, and the Wall Street Journal that indicated the PIF is on the verge of cutting funding to live golf. I'm paraphrasing a lot of reporting into that kind of summation there. There's a big buzz around the golf world. What does this mean exactly? Live comes out, kind of plays dumb, says, what are you talking about? Of course, we're playing Live Mexico tomorrow. What is all this plan goes on as promised? On Thursday, the live broadcast came on the air. Arla White and David Ferriere came on the air and addressed, quote, the noise. And we have some clips we're going to play from, some quotes from Live this past week that we're going to react to on the backs of what we're talking about. So, after the power went out. This is before the power went out. We will get there as well. So, this is kind of how they came on the air to address all these, the quote, noise of these reports from the Telegraph, the New York Times, the Financial Times, and the Wall Street Journal. If we have the video, please, Cody. One, that reports of the imminent demise of the Live Golf League were, in fact, greatly exaggerated. I've had a good chat with Live CEO Scott O'Neill in the last hour. He was very confident about the future, very bullish about the future of the Live Golf League. And we'll bring you that interview very soon during the show. David, what have you made of another week of noise this week? Wow, it has been amazing, Arla, for sure. I've been in the professional game for 50 years now. And I don't think I've ever had two or three days where there was more absolute nonsense, you know, it spread out. And, you know, there are still some writers and broadcasters that take pride in their work. But this generation has spawned, you know, a bunch of fast typists, you know, that consider themselves to be experts and evidently they're not. Yeah, it must be exhausting trying to will the Live Golf League and existence take a day off, everybody enjoy the golf and speak it of the golf or two or half. Speaking of the golf, you're a fast typist, Sally. I don't think I am, Neil. I don't think I jumped the gut on this one. I was a typist. A lot of reporting there, again, not actually saying that any of this stuff was wrong. That's going to be a common theme in this other than so I don't know if I was to give go out of my way to give the benefit of the doubt to live, you can find some things wrong in things that some people said you can't. I'm not seeing anything disputed if I'm the official news sources that reported a lot of information in there. But the initial announcement from Ryan French said I've heard from multiple sources that a bombshell announcement on Liv's future is imminent. That ultimately did not happen. Also said we don't give out gambling advice, but if you're a prediction market type person, I would bet the under of whatever they have posted. The under would have been that that live Mexico doesn't happen and that event also happened. So if you wanted to go out of your like that was the first public thing that was said about the entire thing. And if you based in a way what they said there could be based on something like that, also ignoring the well sourced and well founded reports from others that are saying, Hey, live golf's in trouble here. We weren't I think the big question was like this is live in Mexico going to happen. It's like, Hey, we got some pretty serious questions about the future of this league. I wouldn't just refer to that as noise. But again, this is North Korean television, essentially when you tune into watch live golf. And that's that's the statement we got from from our look trying to us. It's us here trying to will this league out of existence here. Take it off. It's not the massive financial issues they have here. It's us. It's the people in the media here that are that are screwing this up for everybody. Yeah, giving us a lot of credit, I think maybe too much credit. The conversation that Scott O'Neill and Arlo had mentioned there went kind of just as you might thought it was a I would call it a pretty impassioned sales pitch likely aimed at future investors. Some of the highlights or low lights from them would be kind of the oh, you know, most of the top players they call us, right? We're not calling we're not calling them anymore. I would the line is out the door essentially here for players to come play. Let's say if you if you like your home time, this is not for you. Do you want to spend your time in the US? This is the wrong league for you. That was kind of a weird pitch and was very much angling himself for where the world's golf league is claiming there are a billion homes around the world. You know, didn't want to bet on the US market of 300 million people would rather bet on the 7.5 billion market around the world. So I technically weren't a billion homes to I think YouTube. I think there's a couple billion homes that can log on to YouTube. That's well said DC. Never mind the actual number of people watching. We're in a billion homes right now. Tc put that in the slide deck. We have we have a little clip here that I trim this down. This is not the full interview of Arlo and Scott, but a little clip here of that. Kind of whatever he's talking about here to react to. While Scott and I'm used to the the attacks used to the noise, which doesn't seem to be abating. I almost characterize it as certain members of it. It's a golf media or the golf fans out there want to almost will the live golf league out of existence. Why do you feel the attacks continue? I'm not sure. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. I'm disappointed with some of the coverage. I've never read it. Have been in an industry that has more unnamed sources than this one. In fact, I was reading through some coverage this morning and I couldn't find one source on the record and all the articles that were written. And I would just say like, let's be responsible. You know, and I if I am a PGA tour player, I want live to survive. These prize persons are pretty good. You know, competition is good for business. If I'm a television network, I love live golf to survive. It's good television. If I'm a reporter, it certainly makes the news a little more spicy or it has occasionally. If you're a fan, you want more golf around the world. If you're outside the U.S., it's a we are outside the saturated market and we're in markets that are dying for this kind of action. So I think there's a lot more to gain with live golf here than live golf gone. So I got a couple things there. So I think there's no doubt he's right about the, you know, live has benefited PGA tour with the person, the competition stuff. That's a fair point. I think he's right about like what you see in South Africa and you see in Australia. They are, they are like fired up like both of those. I was like, damn, these are, there's some buzz here. So I don't, I don't think he's wrong about that stuff. It's just like, is this a sustain, if you, if the sugar daddy goes home, it's just not a sustainable business is the problem like that. So I'm not arguing like, Hey man, in some ways, like, yeah, I'm happy for Australians. I'm happy for South Africans. Like you guys deserve higher level golf, something, you know, good events. And but it's like, this is just, I don't know if it's going to, it's not sustainable. So yeah, it only happens in a fairy tale world where you have a lot of people who are you have somebody writing literal like $5 billion worth off of tournaments. Like that's, that's the only way these events happen at this scale. Like to pay John, we've been over this a million times to pay John Rahman, Bryson the amount of money it takes to get them there for that one golf event is one of the worst business models you could ever possibly imagine. We're going to get to Bryson wasn't even there for, for all four rounds. So it wasn't in Mexico. How the crowds were in Mexico, but it didn't look like Bryson was happy with the, with the conditions. I will also say that the, you know, just this is macro, just nobody have like always being unnamed sources is kind of annoying. But then you like, you look at the New York times, you have the business team and the athletic team. You know, they have like separate sort like, so that I think it's well sourced, but it has to be frustrated when it's just like always anonymous sourcing. Like I can kind of, I can kind of empathize with your own executives are out in the marketplace looking sure jobs and fleeing a sinking ship. And that's, they're probably the source of some of these information. This is this information as well. There's a reason why there's unnamed sources in like good journalists use unnamed sources, sources a lot. The whole point of journalism is like that you have a trustworthy person here to say, you know, they can't say, like just pretend it's somebody high up at live golf by the name of Joe Smith. Like there's a, you can say a lot more when you don't use Joe Smith's name. Like you can say, I have vetted this guy's information. I'm going to give you that information straight. I'm not going to say his name. It's going to be an unnamed source. That's an easy avenue for this kind of person to poke at and say, Oh, that's fake news. It's an anonymous source. But like the whole point is putting trust in people that have a journalistic reputation at stake that they've vetted this information. It's worth reporting to you. And noteworthy in this is that O'Neill did not dispute any of that reporting. Like he played, he played the card of like, this is unnamed sources out there. Let's be responsible here. And he was responsible there and that he did not say the reports were wrong. Like he, he towed up to that line and did not say it, gave enough to kind of the live bot crowd out there to be able to keep poking around and pretending like this, you know, that it's fake news, but it's not, it's very clearly not fake news, which was later confirmed by something we got to quite shortly. If you guys ready for that. Well, just want to say when, when Brett Baer chimes in like, you brought this up on Wednesday night, like I don't think Brett Baer has a whole lot of, I don't think he's waiting into this. Like if he's not like, he has no, uh, there's no upside for him to just like flame a golf league to me. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, if he's, when, when the non golf media starts reporting on this stuff, I always get a kick out of it. Well, that leads. So not only does he not deny the funding that, you know, live golf is on the verge of losing funding, he goes on TNT, I believe it was same day. It wasn't posted until the next day, but I think you went on Thursday, did an interview with TNT sports in the UK, which is not TNT that we have here in the U S. I don't, I don't believe, I think it's separate anyways. Does an interview with, I believe Oliver Fisher, uh, from TNT, uh, a few more journalistic, adjacent questions were asked more, more than Arlo White gave you, but there was a question about funding. We'll play this clip of, of Scott kind of answering the question of what's going on with the funding. Mentioned funding there. Sergio came out yesterday and said, alluded to the fact that they've been told that funding was in place until 2030. Can you speak to that? Give us any indication? Yeah, of course. I mean, this is not the way the world works. And we have, we have commitments to have this being going concerned. The reality is, is you funded to the season and then you work like crazy as a business to create a business and a business plan to keep us going. So this was circulated pretty heavily amongst, you know, kind of a five, five-ish minute clip that this was published with. This would get deleted from TNT sports, from their social media channels, reposted hours later with that question removed from it, as if he didn't say it, no correction on the record of any kind of you spoke erroneously. It was clearly not something he should have said. And they went back and just deleted and pretended like it never even happened. That's tough. That's tough. Again, up against just like basically calling everybody fake news the day before to be like, yeah, we're only funded through the end of this year. And, and also, like we do have one of the worst business plans in the history of professional sports. Like we have one of the most unsustainable businesses ever, but yet now's the time. Yeah, we'll get out there. We'll make a business plan and we'll get out there and make this happen. Guys, like it's time. This is franchise equity valuations prestige worldwide. No. Hell yeah. This is he he's talking directly to Blitzer and Josh Harris DC. Get let the link source golf. Call me. Let's link up. I know DJ got a kick out of this one, but this phrase, if you have the short one, Cody, you could play if the money probably like this is business. Do you have to raise money? Probably like this is business. This is business. Who is going to fund this? Who is going to fund this? Well, yeah. So I have to change. I got backing up. Sorry. I guess questions are is this is the war and the street of her moves is all of that basically giving them a convenient out for something that was clear. Like they were they were winding down. Like they canceled neom. They canceled the the indoor ski resort that they were going to have, you know, Trojana that they were going to have the Asian winter games at. They've that was all months ago. You know, I think now like I saw this week that they're selling their steak in Al Nasser, the kind of crown jewel of the Saudi. Primarily we'll see what happens with Newcastle United. But do you view this as a convenient out that the war and the current geopolitical landscape created, or do you view this as something, you know, something more than that? That that no, like this is this is a serious strategy change that we that we would have done with or without the war. I think you could have made the case that the war, I think the war probably has something to do with it. I'm honestly probably not the geopolitical person to answer that. But I think I saw this floating around of like the if you're if you're talking like force majeure and like a way to get out of some of these contracts, you kind of light that on fire a little bit when you keep playing the rest of this season of like, you know, it's the COVID force majeure was like, Hey, we cannot put on events right now because there's a global pandemic. And this force majeure is kind of like, we've got to reallocate our spending because of some local geopolitical stuff. But like we can still we can still put on live Mexico, we can still put on live Virginia, like, I don't know, I don't know how legality of all that works. I don't think that's as important as like, I don't I don't like this chicken and egg thing here, like this was this was a bad bad plan from an actual contained business standpoint from the very beginning was very obvious. But the bigger play here is somewhat obvious of, again, the whole conversation that we've had for a long, long time of when you're doing, you're there's they're doing this with billions of dollars in many different avenues of entertainment, right? This is just a small piece of the puzzle. And when it comes time to start unwinding some of those things, a league that has been as unsuccessful as this one makes a lot of sense, maybe some of their more successful entertainment investments of some kind, WWE, you know, Kyle, the concerts or the comedian concert series that they've done, maybe that they see a lot more of a domestic return on that that's measurable, and maybe their investments kind of get more consolidated into those areas. I think it's a little surprising based on everything we've heard, like we've heard that they have 10 years of runway, Scott O'Neill has gone around saying they're funded through 2032, like I was, you know, live Adelaide settled through 2031, they're designing a golf course for that. I was kind of, I guess I believe them on that front of like, they have a willingness to continue to light billions of dollars on fire annually and not have not blink an eye. And it never part of that never made sense. But once they got going in it, continuing it made sense. So like actually pulling the plug on this is somewhat surprising because I don't know why you do it now when you've accomplished next to nothing yet, you know, Joel's perspective on Wednesday is again, they've accomplished what they want to accomplish with this. And, you know, I guess it wasn't going anywhere and it was, it was, it was time to move on. But I mean, five of the next, like five of the remaining eight events this season are in the United States, they've got DC at Trump National, and they go to, so that's in what three weeks, May 7th through 10th, then they go to South Korea a few weeks after that, three weeks after that, then they go to Spain, then they go to New Orleans in late June, which I can't see that one being a barn, you know, real barn burner as far as crowds go. Then they go to JCB, then take a week off, they go to Trump Bedminster, which I hope Neil is there for that one. I was planning on it. Then they go to Indianapolis, third week in August, and then they've got their team finale at the Cardinal in St. John's in Detroit. So all of their, like, I think if they're going after this international market, and if that's where their future is, it's pretty funny that five of their next eight events are in the U.S. and are going to be pretty, pretty sparsely attended, I think. It's a bullshit pivot away because they've been so dominated heavily in the U.S. Like they thought they could crack into the PGA tour market in the U.S. and they've been just completely obliterated on that front. So now they go abroad, have the big crowds there, and point that to like, this is what we're doing. We're growing the game of golf worldwide. Ignore that we're putting the majority of our, like what, they have six of their 14 events are in the U.S., whatever it is. Enjoy that. You know, ignore that that we're going to this place, you know, six times and go to all these other places once. Ignore that. We're about the world's golf league. Like it's just, there's throwing shit at the wall. The thing I can't, even after our pod Wednesday that I keep thinking about is, you know, if this was to improve Saudi Arabia's standing, you know, on the global stage, sports wash, whatever you want to call it, and they've accomplished that. I still think it's such a sloppy exit. And I know like these unnamed sources are kind of ruining the party, but the fact that they haven't really kicked the tires on trying to like, like making a more graceful exit to sell us in with the Asian tour more or the DP world tour. Do you know what I mean? Like, like there just feels like this could have been, if they wanted to get out, it feels like they could have done it in a, just a more effective way. I think, I still think, I mean, I think PIF is going to be involved in golf. I don't think they're, I don't think PIF is exiting golf. Yeah, I think the live brand is toxic. I don't think you can, like live is, is, it's this own thing. Like it's this golf is louder thing. It's a separate league. Everyone's banned from playing anywhere else when you play this one. I don't know how you pivot from that or blend that or merge that with something else, right? I think, and he made an interesting comment. He said, we are looking, O'Neill Scott O'Neill said, we are looking to blend a version of live and the national opens, the great national opens around the world. They're pandering to me. They are pandering a little bit. I will, I had this clip as well back in January. O'Neill said something similar, but something different along those lines. If we'll play that clip real quick, Cody, what you'll see over the next several years is the remaking and reshaping of the international series and working with the incredible relationships and some of the gifted and talented people at the golf federations around the world into a national open strategy. Again, more to come over time. You'll likely see four or five or six coming in this year, but if you fast forward out two, three years, you'll have 10 to 12 of the biggest national opens will become the international series. And the reason is, is because we believe that national opens will drive more fans, drive more viewership and drive more people to this great game. So I found this super interesting in that originally that was again, that clip was in January and he said the international series and national opens is where those two are going to come together. Now he's saying live and the national opens are going to come together, which is maybe in his mind or the way he's portraying it. It's kind of the same thing, but those two things are very different. Like the international series on the Asian tour, like the PIF funded events, the big purses that are played on the Asian tour. And again, it's hard to take anything O'Neill says seriously because a lot of the national opens are DP world tour events, but I think that's an interesting bridge into the conversation of like, all right, PIFs appetite, an easy way to get in with an international event in a lot of different countries is host national opens in a lot of different countries. So kind of the domino effect or what is going to happen with the future of golf and is there going to the way the PIF DP world tour and the PGA tour interact over the next several months and years is going to be super interesting. And that, you know, it's been said a lot of ways that the PGA tour, you know, they're paying a lot of money, they're underpinning a lot of purses on the DP world tour. It's been a good alliance for them, but maybe not the best that it can be. Is this an opening for PIF to get heavily involved with the DP world tour? Do all three go in on a joint venture like they said they would go in on June 6 2023? What the downstream effect of the, again, I could be wrong on this, live is lasted through many deaths in the past, but I can't see a way live survives this as it stands now. But that doesn't mean there aren't massive dominoes still to fall on this front with a ton of Saudi money that is very clear they've been able to have an effect in a lot of ways in the professional golf world. I don't think that's necessarily going to go away. I just think there's not been a light money on fire with the CLEAKs anymore. Sorry, TC. Yeah, no, they have control of the Asian tour as it stands. They've got the international series. Like I would double, I would triple down on that stuff and for 5% of the cost of floating live. And then you can ingratiate yourself to the RNA to Augusta National, to the powers that be that exist in the landscape. At the same time, you've got the DP world tour, which the DP world, Dubai ports are in a world of hurt right now with shipping at a standstill in that part of the world. They're losing money hand over fist. They just lost their CEO, all that. You got to wonder if that, yeah, if that sponsorship is in good standing or rock solid right now. That's, I mean, that's what we've talked about this for the last six to eight months, even going back before that is why doesn't Yasser call up guy Kinnings and say, Hey, what's it going to take, man? What's it going to say? Because my point is the DP world tour has to be mad too at, you know, like the PGA tour did this strategic alliance or, you know, framework agreement without them with the, with the Saudis and kind of box them out in the first place there. So I don't know. I think there's just a lot of, if your intent is to be the world's golf tour, I would partner with the world's golf tour to do that, right? Who already sanctions some, you know, co sanctions many of the national opens and, you know, and has a, like a deep history and deep reservoir of guys. Now I know that it's talking to somebody, there's probably a couple thousand voting members of the DP world tour. Like I think anybody that's like ever made money or played a full season or like had a full card on there has some standing as far as voting rights, which kind of complicates matters. But at the same time, I can't see them being all that thrilled with, with how things have gone with the strategic alliance, despite the tour spending tens of millions of dollars a year to underpin the DP world tours purses. So yeah. And I guess as far as, you know, Scott O'Neill and Liv putting together a business, I guess now they start working on the business plan is almost how he phrased that. I don't think that's quite how he meant it, but now going to market to try to find an investor in this thing. And some people online, some people online thinking this is a possibility, like, you know, could, could somebody come in and buy this and invest in this? I think it what's going to happen here is maybe the best part in all of this is these people figuring out like it might take like 10 years, but like, are yeah, can, is there an international market for all this golf? Like clearly there's such an interest internationally. It's like, well, if there was one like DP world tour, probably would have found it. Like they're already playing golf in all these places all around the world. They're just under capitalized. Yeah. Under capitalized. They don't have the talent. Like they don't have the talent. Like the only way that Liv was able to get these players to go, you know, draw the crowds that they were in Australia, in South Africa was to pay massive hundreds of millions of dollar contracts to John Rom, Bryce and Shamu. And they put on concerts every single one of these days, like to bring people to an outdoor festival. Like, again, just, just going back, I think going back to the under capitalization thing, that's the reason why like the DP world tour and the PGA tour were pretty much neck and neck, even, even up to the late nineties or the 2000s, right? And so I think then PGA tour pulls ahead from a sponsorship and a commercialization standpoint, DP world tour purses don't grow. That's where the under capitalization comes in. It's a, it's a, you know, talent flight out of the DP world tour over the PGA tour where all these guys want to play because the purses are 8x, you know? So I think it's just a matter of bringing those two things back into proportion to give some of these guys that like, let's just say the top 10 guys on the DP world tour who don't otherwise have tour cards, if you could staunch the bleeding there and keep some of that talent at home, that would be, that would be the start. But also what is home, right? Home is, to buy Australia, Hong Kong, like all that stuff. Well, okay. So, but if, but I'm saying if, if the business side of live all of a sudden gets real, they're going to find out like pretty quickly that the dollars for golf, and this is the part where like, I am sympathetic to our listeners in South Africa, our listeners in Australia, in starved places for golf around the world. Like I, it's not a fake thing of how excited you guys were for those events and the show out and the turnout of those events. But the reality of why all most of the biggest events in the world, almost all of the biggest money events in the world are held in the United States is because of the corporate infrastructure, the marketing spend of these massive companies, they all want to be involved in golf, they all want to be involved with the PGA tour. It's been a self fulfilling thing of all the top European talent now ending up in the US. Golf ratings have gone up over the years. There's been the tiger effect of all this stuff, like it's not an accident that all of the biggest events, and I'm using the phrase all loosely here are held in the United States. It's not because our golf is the best. It's not because American golfers are the best. It is because the money is there. So now like if you're half, if you need money, if you need the business to actually work, you're going to need to beat the PGA tour in the US and they have lived has only strengthened the PGA tours stronghold in the US, getting the $1.5 billion in the boat from from SSG another 1.5 coming in January 2027 and all likelihood like the PGA tour is well funded, well backed, they got corporate sponsors locked in for a long period of time there. And then I don't I think they're gonna be able to pick off Ron and Bryson if they want to. So I don't see how this doesn't end with live completely going away. Again, I've been wrong many times on that front. But you know, I don't I would float the question of like, what is keeping live on the tracks to finish this season? Like how did their employees and their executives, how are they not fleeing the ship now? Like unless there's some carrot at the end of the rope for this, I mean, I would think it's going to be a pretty massive dash out of there. I don't I don't I need I need somebody to explain to me why that would not be. Well, yeah, I'm point. So real real quick on the global golf, I, you know, when Liv started, it was a lot of a lot of F1 talk of like a global circuit. And they've been able to attract like global brands, a lot of money in F1, obviously, just hasn't worked out the same with golf in and I'm actually surprised like I was just looking at if live wants to make this a real business, the official league partners and suppliers, it's pretty light list. You got Rolex do an official like elevated hospitality HSBC, which you know, they're kind of like, global world's money laundering bank. Thank you. Salesforce, which always get a kick out of they kind of dip their toe in last year. And now you see it on the, you know, green screen behind Scott O'Neill like Salesforce is like the like actually feels like the lead sponsor of of live, which kind of is interesting. But I would, I would have thought I would have, I'm actually surprised they haven't been able to land more global brands that, you know, wanted to get into golf, but felt boxed out by. Yeah. But you know what I'm trying to say though, like, that maybe saw an opportunity to buy into a global golf circuit at a discount because I'm sure they're, you know, the prices are better than what RBC has to pay for heritage. You know, you like or about one or 2% of what a title sponsorship. So that's, that's the fact that they're not able to, I guess my point being the fact that they haven't been able to ramp up the sponsor stuff over the last three years is, is not, does not bode well for Scott O'Neill's push of like, yeah, let's go raise money. Let me show you the P and L here is going to be tough. So was there any sort of like, obviously none of the players really talked this week, but we had heard rumblings that players and suppliers and just payroll wasn't being, wasn't going through sounded like that eventually did go through. That is, that's the thing just from like a very, very basic cash flow perspective. If, if the PIF stopped writing the checks and underwriting this thing, I imagine they would run out of print pretty quickly. And that's where it the initial confusion lied in that, right? I was like, is this getting pulled like this week? You know, people aren't getting paid. I would guess this is this is total conjecture here that like late on some payments, some vendors reported that players reported that caused the news to leak. I think it's like people were probably unhappy with being with, with not being paid that like their leak and information of like, yo, this thing might be in trouble. And that would be again, that's that's conjecture in that on that front. But I'd say to your point about F1, Neil, I think a big problem that live has is they have what depending on who you ask 10, maybe 20% of the top talent in golf and wins golf is all the top, they don't have the talent. There's some really bad comparisons to like, you know, all, you know, Scott O'Neill said something about like the New England Patriots in the 90s were valued at like $13 million. Like, wait, they were part of like the best football league in America, like live golf is not even close to the best golf tour in America. Like you don't, you don't have the competitive advantage with anything that you're doing. And again, the only way to disrupt this whole only disrupt the massive stronghold that the PGA tour has and you do not have to like everything the PGA tour does. And I do not like everything the PGA tour does. For a while there, I did not believe that they should be the world's leading golf tour. I think they've, they've made a lot of changes that I feel a lot more confident in the direction of that. But the only way to disrupt that was to spend a truly ungodly amount of money to lure the players away and also put up massive sums of money for purses and pay the musical acts and all that stuff. Like I change focus, you got to redo all of that just to keep some of these players that were for a league, for a model that was already failing. So like, I feel like an idiot even entertaining the idea that somebody come in could come in and buy this, but that seems, they just announced that they're coming back for Chipotle peck in 2027. And they also announced this week that they don't have any funding for 2027. Hey, put a deposit down, you know, got a sunk cost. Just round reserve that week for us guys. We'll get back to you. Join the waiting list this week. But the other thing is like the, you know, the tour in the monahan era basically went around to every potential sponsor, vendor, player and said, hey, if you work with these guys, like never ever talk to you again, which could be hurting their spot. Yeah, that was that was that was how monahan that was hockey J walking around, right? It's all I think the other thing is what happens if like, let's say they just make live, marry up live in the international series. Like what makes it live? Nothing. That's what I'm saying. Exactly. Like, like the, let's say the team element goes away. Cool. Like you've just basically just taken the Asian tour. You spent $5 billion on this little sideways diversion. And now you're just starting back. It's where one with what the Asian tour was. Yeah. It's crazy. I think capitalizing something that already existed, which is probably what they should have done. Right. If I was them, I think it would be appealing to be like, to tell your current players that you've gotten suspended from the PGA tour. Like here's a place for you to play and hey, we can spend the money on these events. We can kind of dictate where they are and we can pick which national open we want to sponsor and I can't make you go play there, but hey, we might make the purse of this one 12 million bucks. We might make the purse of this one, blah, blah, blah, brain and grace. How does that sound to you? Like, that would actually be great for golf. Like, like, holy shit, we're going to underpin the Australian open purse. Sign me up. Cool. I'm there guys. They could create a real international series of good golf events. Like if the Saudis are going to spend money in golf, you can do good things with it. You don't have to do Greg Norman and whatever the hell this was. Like that's, that's like, could be a good offshoot of this is the realization. It has to be driven by spite. Yeah. I did spend a fair amount of time laughing and thinking about Yasser giving up a, he could have got a PGA tour board seat with this. Like, they had a phone call. They had, well, they had, they had an agreement in J6 on June 6 in 2023. They had a phone call in the Oval Office in 2025. The PGA tour gave live an extremely generous valuation and anything in the positive was an extremely generous valuation, but it was somewhere in the range of, did the tour will actually want to follow through on any of that? Or was that just to wipe the legal fees away? No, the way past the legal fees being gone. This is in 2025, they gave in that meeting in that phone call with Trump, they gave the, the live golf a valuation. I've heard 500 million. I've heard 750 million in that conversation. And when they said that, that amount out loud, Yasser didn't speak for the rest of the meeting because he thought it was worth every dollar that he had spent on it, which was $4 billion. He would not negotiate if they would, would value live golf at less than $4 billion. And now it might, I mean, it's almost certainly going away here at the end of this year. He could have had a board seat over it, could have, and that's where I'm like, dude, I, I think the PGA tour is in a lot better position to drive what this would look like, but I don't, I could see PIF DP world tour and the PGA tour getting back together at the end of all of this. Like I think the PGA tour doesn't need to get in a bidding war over anything with the DP world tour with PIF. I think everyone's going to, you know, the original SSG deal was done with the idea that PIF could come in with a stake in for the remaining percent of SSG. I think players at this point would love that money. There's a lot of equity promises they've made to a lot of these players and it would make sense for the golf world to be swimming in the right direction at this point. Like it doesn't make sense for golf world wars to continue. So PGA tour in a great spot, but I think they could get in like a bidding war of what's going to happen with DP world tour could be where this thing gets ugly again. And then PGL, the remnants of that filed a lawsuit this week in London. There's a little late on that one. I think they've been working on that one from what I gathered. And then, uh, yeah, I just, I go back to Yasser of just like, man, you got fucking played by these performance 54 guys. It's like just writing those dipshits of blank check and saying, Hey, you and Greg Norman, you guys are the are the ones to, to build me something sustainable. Like he got taken for a, for a $10 billion ride on that. It's incredible. It really is incredible. Um, where LPGA is still getting close to wrapping. There's about three holes left in that. You guys want to get say young Kim just duck hooked one. Uh, like, I think OB is really, yeah, she's in play. It, uh, yeah, yeah. Very, very friendly bounce off them trees right back in the fairway TC. We're fine. We're fine. A couple of things to do. But I want to shout out Jamie Kennedy tweeted this out North Barrick member Colin Campbell. This is so sick. I just, I love this. He completed the grand slam of aces. Uh, he has now aced all four par threes at North Barrick, uh, four, six, 10 and 15. I don't know what the, uh, one is the, whatever he, I don't know what the final one was. I hope it was the radan. Uh, but that is a fantastic accomplishment. And, uh, a few, I'd say a future goal. I don't have any aces to Tim Aquana, but, uh, Colin Campbell, grand slam of aces at, at North Barrick, aced all four par three holes. It's fantastic. I love that. I haven't sniffed one in 20 years. Yeah. It's not even like, just no, no, nothing that, no whiffs of it, man. I, I gotta, I need to change that this year. I guess speaking of aces, my only par three aces at sweetens cove and there's only two of them. I just need to ace the ninth hole and T.C. You just need to ace the fourth hole. Uh, and we could, we could complete the grand slam at sweetens. So yeah. Yeah. Uh, friend of the program, John Minium, uh, had, had an ace this past week at his home club. Second watch. Yeah. Of course, the writer of the, the year review golf booklet. Uh, another thrill getting that this year. Love that thing. Yeah. Uh, yeah, Sally, I have more, more aces at your home club than you do. It's true. It's true. So, uh, guys, I got to spend some time with Bill Corr and Ben Crenshaw this week and, and their business partner, Scott Sayers and their wives. It was delightful. We were up at Palmetto Bluff. They were opening up their new Anson Point, uh, course up there. It's, those guys are just they're, they're everything I love about golf. The way they, you know, like attack a certain piece of land, the stuff that they look at, the walk, the routing, the, like they want you to come back and play more golf after you've played it. And, uh, they're just, I don't know, they're, they're like the two coolest dudes on the planet. The cup was very, very full after, after hanging out with them for a couple of days. And Ryan Farrow, their, their lead associate on the project as well. That's say that's, that's going to be a spectacular spectacular golf course. It's, we were fortunate that, that, uh, that those two people, those two guys came along, formed a partnership and have been as active into the, in the later years as they have been in terms of reshaping a lot of what the future of, of, you know, like, you know, destination golf looks like in America, them and the Kaiser's and sometimes them and the Kaiser's combined. I have given us a lot of options of some places to play around the world. Yeah. I think they've done like 33 courses together, maybe, um, Bill and Ben. And I think, I think they've got four opening this year, which I, which Bill said is the most they've ever had open in a single year, even though they're trying to, to wind things down a little bit and do less. So, um, just kind of coincidence, how that happened in the way that, the way that the projects coalesced. But, uh, yeah, they've, they've got all sorts of stuff, Pinehurst number 11, Torch Key, um, obviously Rodeo Dunes opened up. Yeah. They just kind of an embarrassment of riches for, for people who appreciate their stuff these days. Uh, have either of you guys watched full swing? No, I have not. I honestly didn't. I didn't watch the last season either. I, uh, I only watched part of the last season, but I watched it. They shortened it to four episodes. I wanted to give the shout out for, I enjoyed it, um, much more than the last season. It feels like they tightened it up a little bit. It was a good, uh, solid. I need you to watch it for the Ryder Cup stuff. It's all centered around the Ryder Cup, basically of like the picking the teams and, uh, you know, they've got some, like a lot of, uh, I'll only play for you, uh, coach Keegan, uh, the squad riding for, uh, for Keegan in, in the last episode. So I'd love to get your take on it. Solid. It's good stuff. Is it good? I'm going to guess. I was entertaining. It was entertaining. It was less, less, probably less like of the, you know, they're still using the interviews to move things along, but a little bit less of the like, this is what a cut is, you know, and it's more like, I honestly, I got to, I felt like I got to know JJ Spahn and Ben Griffin, um, and like Chris Goddard up, like they have good sit down interviews with those guys and you get a sense of their personality off the golf course. And it's, you know, it's not like anything groundbreaking, but it was, um, it held my attention, uh, this morning. So I was, I was pleasantly surprised because I was like, I should probably watch this. And, um, and then, you know, I was, so we're at the Ryder Cup. I had, I didn't, a lot of, you know, you don't see any of the, so it's just fun for me to see some of the shots and, and like, oh yeah. You know, like Sunday, I mean, God, that was, that was close, man. I mean, they almost fucking won. You know, and it's like, I knew that I was there, but you're like, God, this was Russ Henley leaves one two inches short. You know, I'd never seen that putt. Um, I hadn't seen that putt lot or, you know, that he missed and then, you know, Lowry makes it so, um, interesting. Am I going to be very upset? You know, so, okay. It's a lot of, it's a lot of, he's never going to get over it. You know, he's going to have to live with the grief forever. And, um, you know, he, he comes off as a nice guy and, uh, you know, they don't go into like the course setup stuff and they should let him, he does come off as a nice guy. I mean, he seems like a nice guy. That's great. He does, but you're not going to get over it. The process is what you messed up. It's not the results and Griffin can be out there like I, Keegan couldn't do anything better. He was the best captain we could have asked for. I mean, just a lot, a lot of, a lot of only play for you coach. And if there's no owning of what the actual mistakes were, I have zero, zero sympathy for him not ever getting over it. I think you might throw your little TV out the window. So come on, you can't even, you can't even own what your mistakes are. If you don't even recognize true mistakes or know that there's even no semblance of a process. He has some of his pre-games speeches were pretty dude. Uh, we also don't even have a, this is all course. You know, it's like they're all standing like the sunrise, you know, at Beth page and, you know, oh, Sam Burns guys like hunting hat on. It's just kind of a funny, you should watch it. I think you, you'll, you'll get very frustrated, but it was, I found it entertaining. So who's, who's the next captain? And when are they going to announce it? I don't know. I might be keegan. God, I don't know. I don't, I had heard, I thought that was gonna be sneds was going to run it back and do both, but I'd heard, I don't know. I don't know what they're thinking. I don't think they have any plan. Honestly, TC, I, I don't, I don't care anymore. I don't think I do. Unless they drastically, unless they drastically change it, I don't care anymore. Like the whole point of me caring was that like the, the beauty of the process and figuring out how to overcome this wall that you're up against this, this group that cares about this event way too much. Like how do you get around it? How do you take advantage of all this talent? How do you unite as a team? They're not even fucking close to figuring that out. And I don't, I don't, if they're not going to like come close to figuring that out, I have no passion for that project. I don't care. Meanwhile, Dodo and Luke are already on site in a dare manner. Yeah. Not having a captain is, is a tough. I mean, just it's better than having a bad one though. Yeah. Oh, you just straight up didn't have a captain. What a read. Honestly, I'd rather have like P be the captain than like run it back with Keegan. I think that would be P and Lady J. Lady J. Yeah. Her plan, God doing all the, all the party stuff. That's good. That's good. TC. You guys didn't even give my guys too sink a shout out. I want the senior PGA today at the concession. I ran away with it. Looks like he won by like what? Six strokes over Ben open. Brian Gay was going to make a run at it, but unfinished biz now. Because they don't invite Blandy. Sorry, TC. Ben Crane second place. Wow. Yeah. He was rocking. I was, I had on the quad box for a while watching the NBA and the same. Yeah, I know. I know. Interesting leaderboard for the old's. Before we get too far in the notebook, one, one, we mentioned it, but we didn't really talk about Bryson. Bryson withdrew this week from, from live Mexico. Bryson also had like a hell of a tantrum after hitting a poor bunker shot and have to have a ruling here. He laid into a rules official about not being grounded under repairs. This is what we're playing on now. I guess. Um, didn't even talk about the power outage. Uh, live had a, uh, Mexico city had a power outage and they just went dark for like two hours on Thursday and, and never said anything. Live comms never said anything about it. And the tournament just kept going, right? The tournament kept going. They kept playing. Uh, I'm not, I'm not a conspiracy theorist on this, but is there any change? Like it really suspect to have that happen. I know it wasn't actual power outage, but really suspect to have that happen when your league is in limbo. Like pretty unfortunate timing on that. And then the Bryson WD and him being extremely peeved. I can't like, I can't shake that in my head. I know he has had risk issues in the past. I'm a fellow risk injury guy. Is that sympathize? So you support Collins back injury, but not Bryson's wrist. This one's just more suspicious. I'm saying, is there, is there something grander going on here? At least begs. I don't have the, I of course, don't have the answer to that right now, but it's a, it is worth flagging right now of, do we have a Bryson situation with being, uh, being frustrated with live golf? I can't imagine he would not be upset right now. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, and they announced that they're going back there next year. Meanwhile, Rom doesn't have a problem with it. He, he was talking about how they had Poana in the bass country where he was growing up. He's really comfortable at Chipotle peck. Um, all that, like very, very, uh, you know, grateful for the course. So I think the PR training for Bryson may, may be reaching the limits. I need to go brush up on his credit hours. Exactly. Continuing education. Yeah. Between, between agronomy and manufacturing not coming through for them and some of this other stuff, I think, I think we could be reaching critical mass for Bryson to maybe melt down a little bit, but, um, yeah, yeah. I mean, what like, sorry, what are the most wild ways that this thing like dissolves or gets off the rails? Like most of the guys walking off after the second round, one week when he checks, don't get come through or, I mean, I, again, I think it would be, I don't, I, again, I don't think Bryson's gonna hurt you get back to the PJ tour, but if he does want to get back there every time he tees it up, it delays at minimum. He will not be eligible to come back for another year. And it could be different for him using the lawsuit. I'm not positive he even got a clear, clear path back, but like that's what read is eligible to come back a year from when he last played a live event. It was last in violation. So does Bryson want to run that all the way through the end of the year? Can he get out of the contract? These are all answers we don't have. Bryson should declare force. Yeah, but they're also still playing. You asked like, what's the stop these guys from walking off the job? They're playing for 20 million bucks in a limited 25 million bucks, you know, 30 million. I thought it was 20 million this week. I think it's 25 plus five for the team. Like, I think it's 30 million dollar purchases every week. Yeah. So like, that's your answer. I mean, they'll play, they'll keep doing it until they shut it down. I mean, that's just not, I understand. I think, I think if you do the math, he's like, well, I'm just going to play these tournaments out and take the cash grab and then I'll take my year off. Like, it's probably, or if you're the tour, do you, do you do another returning member program round two? Try to get them to jump right now. But, but for returning member program two, you have to play corn fairy tour all next year. That'd be sick. Well, then, then they probably just ride it out. But anyways, flagging that of maybe more to come on this Bryson front, because that was a peculiar timing of a WD, but Neil, you played a little golf this week. Yeah, I just had a note here. I played a solo round of golf. The first one, I think the first time at least five years, the first time I played alone. On Friday morning, and I played in two hours and 35 minutes and hit cups. It was awesome, guys. I just wanted to shout that out like yay. I shot 78. Super, super chill. My God, my short game is so clanky. My wedge game needs work. You got the winter hands. I do. I got, I got novocaine in my hands right now. But yeah, we got a trip coming up to England. So I'm trying to get ready for that. So I can get back in the mix, beat you clowns. When we start, when we start ramping up our golf stuff, I gotta give Florida mid-am qualifier this week on Wednesday. Where's that? King of the bear. Love that. He's going back to the all. No, the slammer, the squire was the one I played last time. So this is king of the bear this time. I got to give a quick shout out. Arcos has been spitting in my face that my short game completely sucks. And I've switched out my wedge setup and now I've gone. I've got four wedges now 60, 56, 52, 48. What did you take out? I took out my two iron currently, which I got to figure that out for England because I think I'm going to want that for England. But I was 58, 53, 48 and was never using the 53 around the greens and wasn't very good with the 58s. But now I have the 60 and I use the 56 more often around the greens. And I'm my best short game round since I've been recording anything on Arcos this past week. Like it was, I kind of didn't want to believe that my short game was that bad. And then I made a change and it was like, Oh, that's what it feels like to get up and down. Holy crap. This feels great. So shout out to Arcos. Free mentioned here tonight, but it was, it was, it was eye opening. It really was. So, Neil, what's the, the, this setup out there? Is it, is it online tea times? Is there an app or you just call the, call the pro shop? No, it's an, it's an app. So I just signed up. I was like the second tea time. So I played through a foursome ahead of me. I just fucking ripped it. It was awesome. What are you going to do if somebody hops in with you? I don't know. I'm going to make some friends. Yeah. I wasn't like, I was expecting somebody would, I was like, nobody's out here with perfect day. You know, I was like, this is, this is great. So anyway, I just hadn't played alone. I like, I was like, man, I had cannot remember playing golf alone in at least five years. Any second balls or anything? Or you just straight up playing one ball? Well, I was going to play, I thought I was going to be behind this foursome. And so I was playing, I was going to play two balls. I was hitting, you know, whatever, playing driver, hitting cups. And I was just going to hit a four iron off of every tee, just to get a different look at the course from different spot. And then I played through these guys on the third hole. And then I was like, Oh shit, I could probably get 18 in if I just play one ball. And so that's what I did. So just sweet. Started playing really fast. And it was great. TC, you got the heart. So you want to? Yeah, I just wanted to shout out, I read this, this past week, or actually two weeks ago at this point, round the Scottish courses by Jim Hartzell. And it's awesome. It's a long time. Jim is a really good friend. And he was over in Scotland this week. He was around Aaron and at Don Avery on the most on the Kintire Peninsula. And just, it just makes me long for Lynx Golf. And it's a really easy, fun, breezy read. There's, there's like, it's kind of takes you through kind of his 18 favorite places in Scotland. And I guarantee you'll be looking for lights, but not even 100 pages into this thing. Your wanderlust will be going crazy. So it's on back nine press.com. And yeah, go support Jim because he's the best and he's a brilliant writer and kind of represents everything that, that I love about golf and that it makes it such a lifelong passion. Man, that's a great endorsement. You see, I'm gonna have to get some eyes on this thing. Well, Sally, that's good because I bought you one. Oh, thank you. I'll be sending them out this week. Thank you. And, uh, so anything else? Speaking of people that we want to just shout out for making this feel good about golf, Luke Elvie just wanted to get in a shot. Oh, my guy, my poor guy this week. I forget what he originally said, but I, you know, he's been, he's been going to a new low this week. I know. I, I, I didn't want, uh, you know, to do the full dunking this week. I think that day will come. I have screenshots. I have a lot of documentation of the abuse that has been thrown our way over the last four years about something that we appear to be extremely right on. But he just said, Scott O'Neill confirms live is funded to the end of 2026. He also spells out the blueprint for beyond the season, but they need funding. Many Americans despise it. Many nationals love it. Is there a longterm future for live golf? Time will tell. And I just quote, retweeted, saying, watching these people learn why almost all of the big events are in the U S is going to be a very funny offshoot of this. Luke did took exception to that. Uh, and quote, tweeted, said disclaimer, these tweets are bought and paid for by the PGA tour. Never accepted a dollar for my, my opinions are forged via 30 years in the sports media business, 25 of which were as golf, a golf broadcaster at the highest level. Um, and I just replied with a quick disclaimer. They're not, uh, our guy got ratioed pretty bad, uh, guys. Uh, he got, I had a 1,100 likes on the response. He got 106. So, um, and it was the replies to us. We just did not go, uh, the way that I think, I think he thought that was going to go. Sorry. Full, full disclosure. Uh, I am on, I am hoping that Cleeks out on a consulting basis. Okay. I came in eighth this week, um, just behind the majestic. He got sixth and put up kind of congratulatory team position tweet, but also, uh, I did accept a spot in the AM, AM at Harbor town as well. I didn't know that. So me and Shep and Austin, my guys from Southern charm and then Kate club, Nick, uh, I'm some quarterback. So, how was his golf game? Uh, he's only been playing for like three years. He's probably in place seven or an eight really good swing. Just needs a little bit more feel for where his misses are going, but, uh, and yeah, he's going through his whole pre draft process right now. And so nice kid was interesting to talk to him. He went to Westlake high school in Austin, broke all the Drew Brees's records. Um, so I also wanted to, to, uh, to just shout out this Luke LV tweet as well. Scott O'Neill is speaking my language and I'm genuinely impressed by an American who loves his nation dearly, but understands there's a world of opportunity out there. If you ever need someone with aligned values to help build this, I'm keen at Scott. I'll be at the Red Lobster if you need me. God bless. I enjoyed the part. I love the most is all the replies to his tweet. We're just like, dude, it all you want to show on the PGA tour many times at the tours, paying for their tweets, they're not getting their money's worth. Just everybody. I was like, these, no one's been shadowed the PGA tour harder than these guys, baby. Meanwhile, Luke, like Luke saying that he's not being paid by live. Everybody being like, that's crazy. Dude, get your money for that. If you're going to debase yourself like that, get paid, my guy. Come on. Oh, just very, very tough scene on a lot of friends. LPGA is kind of coming down to the wire here. Yeah, I was trying to vamp this. Hopefully we could get to the end here, but I think we are getting close to wrap. But say on Kim might win. She is up by one here with two holes remaining. A couple of notes from the LPGA side this week, the great man, Walt, Walt Wang, the CEO of J.M. Eagle, L or J.M. Eagle, mid tournament up the purse by a million bucks to 4.75 million, which is the biggest on the LPGA tour other than the majors and the CME. But I don't know if I've ever heard of mid week. And this was not planned. Like this was not like a publicity stunt from everything I've heard. Like it was like mid week. He's like, no, let's add a million more to the purse. Making one of the biggest. Maybe Livni is the call up. Well, solid. Do you know what J.M. Eagle does? Pipes? Yeah, they get the Chubb-R Smith. They're, they're, uh, are just manufacturer of PVC piping. They have big, they have big pipe. The hole in the, the car and the distance is printed out on a pipe next to each T box. That's good stuff. I, I merely assumed they, uh, they found about that million. I went and looked exactly up what they did. So money well spent, I think, Walt, uh, hopefully, hopefully they got what they're looking for out of that. But it's also the hand of greens kind of, kind of charging right now. But, um, so young Kim's gotten bailed out a few times by, she's hit a couple. She's looked a little lost on the greens. She's been mostly solid, but she should have had a drive that went OB two holes ago too. Um, looking ahead here, we got on the PGA tour, we've got Zurich on the LPGA tour. It is first major championship of the year this week with the Chevron. We have a preview. We've already recorded. It'll be out on Tuesday detailing our top 12 storylines heading into the Chevron at Memorial Park for the first time. So check that out. It comes out on Tuesday and you'll be able to watch, uh, on golf channel as well all week at any up there on the pool. Yeah, the pool is in. It's tiled. It's yeah. And I think they're going to build hospitality around it. We're told that a lot of the LPGA players road pretty hard for it. They said it's a valued tradition and they want to keep it. And I think it's, I simultaneously think it's fucking embarrassing, but also if they want to do it, then more power to them. If they present the course correctly and set things up accordingly and the broadcast is good, um, I don't give two shits about the pool. Thank you. A lot of pool discussion in our preview pot as well. So we break break the whole break the golf tournament down and then we talk a little pool, uh, as well. 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I know that last year they, you know, everybody was up in arms about pace of play and they continued to say, we're going to take this on and do some about it. So I'm happy to see him stroking people. I love that. All right. I think I'm going to do it. All right. Ready to run the contest. Sorry for podcast listeners. You missed it. You missed it, but sorry for the bird guy. So yeah, I saw you got a custom video on socials again from the bird guy. Oh, guys, my guy, Mark, 353535 RR. Please send me an email. Cody, RRLingup.com. I'll get you hooked up with that no laying up merch code. Thank you everyone for tuning in for yet another no laying up live show. Thanks to our friends at Titleist, high noon, H and B and the stack. Thanks to Cody running the ones and twos TC and Neil for joining here. If you're still listening to this or watching it live, get on over to golf channel, watch the end of the LPGA event. 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