A Round 2 Roller-Coaster Ride, Denver’s QB Plight, and Josh’s Lost Weekend With Cousin Sal

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That's what I should have I should have pulled my shirt off at the tail end. There's no time. All right. Coming up, sound I are going to talk about an unbelievable weekend of football right after this. Uh, cousin Sal is here. Best Super Bowl draft here. The Super Bowl nominee. Yeah, wait a minute. May, May versus Stafford May versus Darnell, Stidem versus Stafford or Stidem versus Darnell. What are you the most excited about? I like Stidem, Darnell. I mean, I've been rooting for that all year. You know me. I'm not a front runner. That's the one I had target at all year. Stidem and Darnell. And it looks really looks like it's going to happen. It's unbelievable. Stidem is one career win. Oh, man. How do you do it? How do you do it? Don't even start. Can we talk about Rams Bears first? I'm hoping we can talk about Rams Bears to a point where you forget about your team. Maybe we can go the whole hour and a half if you want. How dare you? Rams Bears. Would it have been the cold Kamehame or the Kaleb Tecmo Bowl game for you? Because that was the original Tecmo Bowl offense of just running backwards. 25 yards and heaving it toward the end zone and then the guy catches it. But how would you ever run it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, everything's the Caleb Williams game at this point. It really is. I mean, the guy had. Yeah, because he, I don't know if he's the best fourth down quarterback we've ever seen in our lives. How many does he have to have? How many miraculous four downplays is he have to have? It's got like nearing a dozen now. But the fact that on that play he was able to weave his way back and create a Hail Mary where he had a third of the ends onto himself one-on-one is I just don't know how he does it. It's not what 46 yards. It was a 14 year touchdown pass that actually went 46 yards in the air. Look, he is replicated the best I've ever seen at any quarterback, the experience of watching a really fun NBA player who's all over the map from game to game and a playoff series. You just never know when he's going to get hot, when he's going to bank in a three, he can be six for 22 and then make the last seven shots of the game. I think I think the season's been a massive one for him. I didn't know what to expect from him. He heading into this year is like, didn't think it was going to be a bus, but was he going to be one of those disappointing? Was he going to be passed by Daniels, passed by Drake May? Now I think he's the most exciting game to game courted at. You just don't know what to expect. You don't want to go. You don't want to leave the room when he's on the field. I don't know what he's going to do. You always feel like there's more there. He could just run around and run for 20 yards whenever he wants. He can uncork and he throw. The balls go all over the place. That Rams interception. In overtime, we shouldn't know. And was going to happen because every time you start getting settled in and feeling like, okay, I trust Caleb. And then he veers the other way. I just there's nobody like him. It's an incredible phenomenon locally and probably nationally, but at least in Chicago, you have like 60 year old truck drivers, like teamsters painting their nails black for this guy. Like, what the hell is going on over there? Really? You got Collins words with the next gen stats. I don't know what my sperm count is anymore with this guy, but it's just it's a phenomenal sea. And it's like, yeah, you don't know when you're going to get it, except that it's definitely going to be in the fourth quarter in a crucial time. But then he could turn it over again. I wrote down in my notes that they can't feel the blood in their body until they're down seven with like less than five minutes left. Then as soon as they're down 1710, they can get a stop. You just assume, all right, here they go. This is who they are. They left a lot on the table during this game. But so did the Rams. And I thought the Rams really tucked their tail between the legs a couple of times, especially late. They just seem very safe, like uncharacteristically safe. And then when they got that interception, I think they very rightly said, what are we doing? Yeah, let's go. Let's let's turn it up here. You should probably give credit to most of the defenses that played this weekend, right? Because now otherwise, it's just we're just going to crap on the quarterbacks and the play callers. Like I don't have a high opinion of myself as a play caller. But I think I could have done better in three of the four games we saw for sure. McVey and Ben Johnson looked like they threw out the playbook. Like McVey had like six passes inside the 30 in the go ahead drive. And then like to kill the clock, oh, I need it was the first down on third and seven, I think. And it's just like, yeah, a week run up the middle. Like I don't know. I don't know if they're flipping coins back there or what was going on. And Ben Johnson, like you you were all over it today. Just just on our show himself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It uh, the third and ones and the fourth and ones and uh, just like the really predictable, like Collinsworth kept talking about what a gunslinger he was and this band Johnson look out and then it would just be like the most generic plays possible. I didn't think that Caleb used his legs enough. I thought that same way about Drake May too in the game before. But then you think about yesterday where Peyton does the design world out with Bo Nick's and the guy breaks his ankle. So maybe that's why they're afraid to let these guys kind of run around and do their stuff. But I thought the Rams were incredibly fortunate for a couple of reasons. But mainly because if the Bears had just gone for two or 18 seconds left, I just feel like they would have gotten it. Yeah. There's no evidence throughout the math. I it's it's just pure. I know the nerds say, momentum doesn't happen, but you have that play. You get a touchdown. And I at least show like I'm going to pretend I'm going to go for two and make the Rams panic and see. I don't know. I just feel like they would have gotten it at that point. It felt like the bird with the angel was on their shoulder and they were going to get it. Birds, angels, everything. I mean, I mean, everything stack. Yeah. Bird shit. I'm with you. I don't go by the nerds in that situation. I go by the opposing teams fans. We always talk about this, right? So what are Rams Rams fans? They're all Rams fans, right? But what are Rams fans? Like there's a collective sigh when we see the extra point team come out to tie it up, right? Well, you you had $28,000 in the Rams. So what did you want the Bears to do? Bet you want higher. You wanted them to kick the extra point. Yeah. Yeah. Four years. Let me take over time. Let me have Matthew Stafford against up and down Caleb. I'll tell you the chances. By the way, both teams kicked off lost. I mean, we could talk about that. I think it was worse in the Bills game, but another stupid thing got a tire defense out there. Take advantage. Get the ball. Yeah. And we just don't have enough of a math sample size to know what we should or shouldn't do in this situation, but it feels weird to me to kick off. I wouldn't you just want the ball and want to lay the smack down and want to try to score. And especially if you had the momentum of scoring at the end of the previous quarter, I just feel like that's what I would want to do. You have to count momentum in that scenario, because momentum comes with it. It's like these guys are playing in now. What is it? 10 degrees? By the time it's 11 o'clock at night, whatever it is, that's 10. But yeah, and you got to take advantage of that. You're giving them like three, three time outs if they're playing defense second. And really, what's the benefit of I get the whole, oh, we want to see what we have to do thing. When does that matter? Unless they score and then you score. Like it's then the top of the second favor, them because they're going to get the extra possession and they can win there. Yeah, I don't, I just feel like the longer we watch football, the more we get confused by stuff. Yeah, I still don't know what it catches. We argued about the, we'll talk about the Buffalo game later. We argued about that for 12 hours. We have four years to come to our day about that. Devonte Adams had a similar play, but in we were like, no, no, we held it longer. Like there's no rubber reason for any of this. The more football we watch, the more confused I think we get by, by all the, but it did feel like that the big lesson to me during that game was it felt like the teams were really even. Yeah. And I don't know if we value enough the weather stuff with these matchups. And just in general, I feel like we, it's like a variable we talk about the same way we talk about like the Rams don't have a, they have a good run game and the Bears don't have a very good run defense. They have this and it's like, maybe you just throw all of it out. It's like, is the weather going to be bad? Yeah. The game's probably going to be close or in Houston's case, is the weather going to be bad? Cause they can't block and I don't trust their quarterback. And maybe I don't need to know anything else about the matchup. Maybe that's it. But I don't know. Do we, do we discount the indoor outdoor and all the weather stuff at too much? Well, a lot of times the weather report is wrong. Like they'll show something in the, in the morning and you'll see snow. Like, oh my god, how fans are going to get in that stadium. And then it's like all cleaned up and everything. And it just looks cold. So I don't, I don't try to live and die by it. But I know one thing we could throw out the performance we saw last week. Like maybe we don't know what a catch is, but we don't know what to think of these, like both defenses played really good. Yeah. Yeah. Today, right? Rams, Rams had nothing of that against Bryce Young, you know. Jordan Love could have probably put up 40 points against the Bears in the first half if he wanted to. But they really, they really hit hard. Well, they, Collins were said at one point, like the Rams were having trouble with the footing and the receivers were having trouble with the footing. And and you think like, I obviously on bias and, you know, anyone who roots for an East Coast team is kind of biased on this one. But playing outdoors and what it does for your stats and your ability to do stuff on offense versus being in a dome indoors, I think it's a real thing. And like, I look at the breeze stats and manning stuff and Indianapolis. I just think it's an advantage versus like if you're somebody like Brady, who is not sound like a Brady defender, even though as you know, I am. But he's in the AFCs. He's playing at least 12 games a year outdoors, then a lot of the playoff games outdoors. And I just think it's harder to put up stats. You saw the Rams, like Pukas been the best receiver, not only of this year, but of the last couple of years. And he seemed a little more mortal today when you throw him outdoors, although he did end up making the biggest play of the game. But I think there is something to that though. These more weather dome teams outdoors, like you really have to count that. You could see the stats on the splits for home and away with their home is in a dome. And most of the time it does make a difference. I'll tell you, I think we said a record this weekend for passes that were just behind the receiver. You know, like the Dune J was out of Dune J in the first quarter. Like, oh, he should have had it. But like, I felt like we saw like 40 of those all weekend. It's driving me in a couple in the game before that too. So we had the Bears down seven huge drive. They go all the way down. They can't get it. Rams give them a ball back. Caleb prayer. And then we go to like it was so much happened. But the bottom line is the Rams scored what 10 points in the last three hours of the game. That's true. And if I'm the Seahawks, I'm probably rooting for the Bears as I watch that game, right? But I'm a little less afraid of the Rams. Yeah. I think so. I mean, it's a rubber match, right? So the third time. I don't know. I guess McFaix is going to have it out for them more. But um, yeah, for sure, for sure, it's a coin toss now going forward, except for your freaking team. It's going to go all the way. Well, I'm fando now. But I'll look at it. No, no, I'm not going to look at the lines. I'm going to look at the the the futures. Yes. Seattle's plus 150 now. Yeah. Yeah. Pat's plus 220 Rams plus 220 Broncos 13 to one. What happened with the Broncos? I don't miss something. They're in the final. They were looking so good. Why did 13 to one? So the NFL's best case scenario is May versus Stafford. The Rams rematch McBaggettings revenge against the Patriots. Yeah. May and his second year making the Super Bowl. If you're just talking like big picture storylines, that's probably the coolest. Sure. Yeah. May versus Darnold's. We would just see the Darnold Ghosts, the clips of that one Jets past game. That would just be two weeks of that. Right. Well, or Malcolm Butler. Right. That's the Seattle revenge game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think three of the four or Super Bowl rematches, right? Yeah. The Wingo and Rams, which was a lousy Super Bowl. Seattle, New England. One of the best. I don't know. It's the best one because Seattle's never won a Super Bowl. You can't go wrong there. And they would be getting the revenge on that. Then when we move into the stadium territory, now you have to start talking to yourself. I have this written down the backup QB. Yeah. Kind of being heard from either in the conference championship or the Super Bowl. The best that's it's ever worked out was hostile and Nick Fools who talks shit today. I get about the change. I didn't appreciate that. I love it. Well, is he out to lose? That's a fuck off. Thick false. Wow. Nobody wanted to hear from you. Yeah. You know what? It's good. It's all good. So backup QB. So we had that Brady Bledsau thing where then Bledsau came into the AFC title game in 2001 after Brady had taken his job and kind of held the fort. Earl Moral going way back on the coast, but they ended up not winning. Tony Eason, sort of the 85 bears, 48th anniversary of the Bears' Pats, Shellacking. Right. But Grogon had been the starter and then Tony Eason. Grogon had his job and then Tony Eason basically took it back for the Super Bowl. But it felt like it was Grogon's job. But it's really not a lot of examples. They said hostile alert. You said hostile alert enough. Hostile alert. But yeah, hostile alert is the most famous, I think. Right. Yeah. Stidham having one career win. I think this would be the new standard if he was able to win two more games. Yeah. This is the one career win. He hasn't done a passing like almost two and a half years, right? Listen, I'm kind of like him. I can't say I can't say I feel awesome about like if there were some other backup QBs, some of the ones we watched on and tried to bet against during the season. Really? Probably like, oh my God, we get to play this guy. This is amazing. Yeah. I don't know. Stidham's not horrendous. He's kind of slinging a little bit. He's one of the highest paid backups in the league. Right. You know, I'm calling Bullshit on this. You know what? Show me your text. You're with your Patriot fan text and shame on you and all your incorrigible mass old chums on your patch chain. I'm sure you celebrate it. The second, the second you found out, Bo Nick was out. We had we tried to we tried to be magnanimous and we tried to celebrate everybody else's wins. Yeah, I'm sure you try. We just played who's in front of us. Yeah. So do you feel better or worse about the Rams after that game? Now, I agree with you about Seattle. I think they should feel better about their chances. You know, they're going to I don't want to ruin the line anyway, but you said their favorite to win the Super Bowl and there's a reason. So I just in general, I think Seattle's just like what? Try to beat us here. You saw what we're all about. Well, let's talk about that game really quickly and then we could circle back the the same darn old injury rope adope. I fell for it. Yeah. I had all these Seattle bets. Shifter. I don't know. Not trust the neck eye anymore with info. It really made it seem like like darn old was this could be a miracle if this guy can throw a pass and then the game starts and he seems fine. The line moved from seven and a half to six and a half and they just well, seven, most it was seven and a half. Well, I'm saying seven half started the week settled at seven by game time was six and a half. Yeah. Well, the darnal was fine. I had San Francisco plus seven. So I don't think I could do much bragging here, but it wasn't because of San Donald's oblique. Like you could because you could read every Adam Shifter or Jake Glazer or whatever sports doctor report on the injury and you could read one number on Fandall sports book. And if that number didn't go from seven to three and a half, there was no chance of him like throwing pregame and be like, you know what? I can't make a I can't make a go of it. And I looked it up and oblique isn't even a body part by the way. I think it's a font. I'm not sure. It only matters in baseball. Yeah. Somebody can put a weak and baseball. They're for six weeks. They just have the flat red flag next to them and fantasy baseball forever. Well, this was one of those where I had people, I had a couple of people over to watch the first game and they were leaving and came back in and the Seahawks were celebrating and they were up seven. Nothing. I didn't even see the first. It was one of those where it's like, oh, it's going to be one of these games that have no chance. I'm pretty down. I felt like I was still seeing, you know, because I have knucklehead friends reporting on bone nicks. I'm like, this isn't true. Like I was checking Twitter so much that I missed the first play. The the the first and only play that matter. My big 10. I mean, I want to talk about the Seahawks in a second, but the the most damning thing I think all weekend is the Eagles who didn't even play. Right. And they lose last week to that. Niners team that just seemed so depleted and overmatched this week. I mean, they didn't have Kettle, but it was mostly the same team. And if I was an Eagles fan, I would be even matter than I was a week ago. And I was thinking, is this a play out? Is this a possible playoff manifesto ad? Don't take any playoff team that had a miserable season. Doesn't seem like they liked each other. It seems like it seems like they might be excited to be in the Bahamas in a week over around two. Wow. I'm just going to remember them with the Eagles because clearly it was a rollover by them. It's fucking embarrassing. They should be the champions. What kind of title defense was that? The playoffs. If I was Eagles, I'd be furious. Like really, we lost to that fucking team. So who was the guy? Who's the receiver? I had a hundred yards. The Marcus Robinson. They even have a catch yesterday. Yeah. How are you doing? I told Thalphia terrible Eagles fans. What if your Eagles management? What if your Howie Roseman? Like, like, you know, they didn't fire Cereani, right? He survived the week. He must Cereani must want to call. Thank God. All right. I'm good. Big Don. Let's go out and get some chicken parm. We're going to be fine. Then howie Roseman sees that. I would, I would think twice now about keeping him around based on the next game that the Niners played. What are you looking at? What are you doing? I'm asking Gahau. No, I'm asking Gahau. If we have to take a break after this. Oh, I listen to everything you said. That's all right. Those matter. No, I heard everything you said. So we have to take a break? No. Not yet. You want to do the intro again? Can I have another crack in it or we live? Seattle's now 15 and three and they have the top six best DVOA of all time right now. They beat in the Niners twice. They beat the Stairways, the Jaguars, Houston, Cherlein and the Rams. Lost to the Rams and the Niners both close. And really look good. Yeah. I mean, that's like if you're a Seahawks fan, this is as good of a chance as you've ever had. You made the Super Bowl in 05. But who'd you have in that game? Pittsburgh Seattle. Pittsburgh, which one? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I had Pittsburgh. Yeah. Yeah. We were not crazy colds game. Yeah. We did the show in Detroit. Yeah. Pittsburgh had that crazy colds win when they stopped manning and then bettus fun hold on the one yard line. And Rathasberger made that crazy tackle. Basically saved the game and then they end up winning and then up winning the whole thing. The Seattle fans still pissed off about the calls in that game. Yeah. The defensive holding. Yeah. And that couple years later got their NBA team stolen. So they, you know, they're a little edgy. All right. And then what you guys did to him with the Malcolm Butler thing. Yeah. I think like I was surprised that both them and Denver didn't come out rusty. Like, you know, the two bi teams, right? It used to be four bi teams, whatever. But both teams were right on it. Denver score, about 20 in the first half. Josh Allen helped that. But Seattle, what was that two plays in the game was over? Like you had the kick return and then you had San Francisco on fourth and one with that fullback option to McCaffrey. Who's checked to McCaffrey? He's like, Oh, this is, this is way over this game. Like Donald could throw. I think he threw for a hundred and six yards. He didn't probably have to do that much to win. Tough per to game, too. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if McCaffrey, do they start treating him like the Clippers treat Kauai or something? Yeah. We just try to get like 10 games. If you're trying to like actually win a couple of playoff rounds in them, do you try to just get 10 games out of him during the season? Kind of stagger as minutes. You know, it was funny. I was looking at him play. And I know that Seahawks was swarming and they had more energy anyway. But I was like, Oh, even McCaffrey doesn't look fast. He didn't look like the blaze that we were used to with CMC. And then I saw this stat. It said next gen stats their average top speed this year was 12.81 miles per hour, the 49ers. That was six lowest in the NFL. And deep winters, the linebackers, the only one to reach 20 miles an hour. So they I was like, oh, finally, some some useful. I mean, that actually is pretty useful. Yeah. I like that. All right. So we're going to take, I think a break. And then we'll come back and we'll hit the AFC games because they those were, well, there was one game that was the most interesting game in the week. So we'll be back in one second. 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When was the last time that happened? Right. 1984. Yeah. The Marcus Spears. I think it was the right pointer. They're going to bring a David Smills because we were texting about it. And then Ryan Clark him and you can't do that. Disguise your quarterback. He got around to it. That all of a sudden they're having first take in the half time show. And I was like riveted because I was like, I think they should play David Smills. I think Johnson's sunk costs three games, right? I mean, what are you going to do? How many interceptions and fumbles eight? What a 10? What how many are you going to allow before you're using the old. My dad and I were texting both of us were like, I hope they don't bring in Mills. I hope they keep shrouding. Please. Yeah. Anyway, the third quarter starts and then all of a sudden the Pats can't do anything. And the Texans have momentum and it looks like we can't block Will Anderson anymore. He's just going by a candle. It took a lot of out of me. I can't lie. We're getting old there. These are these are tough. Yeah. I know. Well, this isn't the bragging I was expecting. That's for sure that I really thought you were going to tell me how this is the best Pats team of all time. That throw to get you on. K-Shown booty was I mean, that's the one nice thing I'll say about this picture scene. That I think was the catch of the year. And we see millions of them. We see Puka going up at one hand. But to do it in the snow, whatever else was going on with one hand. And you know, really put a stamp on that game, right? Like you were nervous until then, right? Then that was that. I felt they were driving and looked at they're going to get a feel going. I didn't think the Texans could get 11. So that was a pretty like he bit basically ended the game. What's interesting is that was like every Drake May game this year where it's a little choppy for the first 45 minutes of the game or you know, in real time 45 minutes. So it's just not and then all of a sudden, a quicks in and he's off. And in this game, he did that. And then the third quarter, all of a sudden, he was, you know, that seemed off again. And then kind of rallied back. But every, every game this season, he's had a perfect 35, 40 yard throw like that. This time, the guy had to make an amazing catch on it. But they've hit that throw. It feels like every week was waiting on it was waiting on it and then finally did it and it ended the game. They like they, you knew they weren't going to get too touched. That's all they should do is throw long passes. He shouldn't bother with the shorts up. He's great at throwing long passes. As soon as he tries to throw over the middle, he holds on to it too long. He gets sacked. He fumbles. He's subpar quarterback. You want to call him an MVP. That's fine. Just throw one every side. He's a little strong. Beer back and throw it. I think he was holding it a little too long considering Will Anderson was in the backfield in about four seconds every single play. They didn't use his legs that much. I think that fumble kind of freaked them out. I thought they were going to be rolling them out due to design rolled out. The stuff that swung the game was the eye formation. When they kind of went bigger and really started to try to run the ball. Remondory was out for a while. There wasn't open either. That booty catch I know. I didn't want to tell you I was doing this. I wanted to be a surprise because I knew how excited you would be. That's Patriots playoff catches ever. Middle-est. I'll just go in descending order to the biggest one. Grant versus the Chiefs in 2018. What how many are you doing? What is this? How much? No, just six. Gibbons versus the Panthers. Second Super Bowl. Grant fourth and 10 against Denver. AFC title game down the middle. Dana Blues in that game. But that was an hour. He's double covered 40 yard pass down the center. This is my favorite ground play. Edelman third and 14 against Seattle. He's basically concussed during the play and keeps going and then claimed he wasn't concussed. Amandelle against Jacksonville. Then Edelman in the Falcons game. The dive, the whatever when it seemed like. Wait, did he catch that when he caught the deflection? Which is still the best Patriots catch we've ever had. So you're not putting this in the top. I think this might be this. I would put this fourth. Now, if they don't win anything, if they don't have winning the Super Bowl, maybe it drops. But yeah, it clenched around to playoff game. It sent them to the AFC title game. All my tech today are basically like we can go CJ Stroud in the snow, Stidum, Sam Darnold and we win the Super Bowl. It's like we just sending him back. Nobody could believe like this was the path. You only play his in front of a cell. I know, I know, I know. I really just get worse and worse. I'm like you get great news that Josh Allen's knocked out of the playoffs and then four minutes later, you get news that Bonyx is out of the playoffs and then no charges with no offensive line Texans with no Nico Bronco, you know, I feel like if the ven is well in opposition leader presented the Patriots with the Lombardi trophy. Do you accept it? Does Kraft lower himself to accept it? I don't know. I don't know. It was Kraft these days. Well, we were missing guys. We didn't have Mac Collins. Yeah. It's been huge for us. Mike got him back next week. I'll leave this. Yeah. I'll just I know everybody's going to make the joke. Hey, everyone's going to drink about the schedule. It's just how we're going to do this the next couple weeks, especially if they beat Dan Berder. They're like, whoo, how do I bet on the pads Super Bowl MVP being the schedule? Like we know we're going to hear the jokes. We only play as a front of us. Do you know who the 2019 Chiefs played in my homes his first Super Bowl title? Do you remember who they played? We want to list all the teams. Not only. Well, just give you the playoffs. Playoff teams. Good. They played the crappy Texans. Yeah. They played the Titans in Ryan Tanael and then they played the Niners in Jimmy Gropo and they won the Super Bowl. Nobody is like, who'd they play? Right. And they would down. Who was it? I don't know why we pick and choose the who'd we play thing. Well, this is a true fault that that Josh Allen fucking choked in the in the unsaturday, which he did for him. Yeah, he's supposed to be the best part in the league. He didn't play well enough. Like that's not the Patriots fought. We're waiting for him. He's not there. I think the Stroud thing is extra damning because he's supposed to be decent and he put out one of the well, two of the worst playoff games of all time combined, right? And they still won like, you know, five inner five and five plus interceptions and five plus fumbles and a single postseason. It's the first one to do it. Four plus interceptions and a single playoff game, which puts them in good company. He tore that Kate Stover's ACL throwing a pass to him. It was a non-contact. It was not. I hope it didn't tear. I haven't looked up though. I hope not. But I've never seen that before. He just like had to twist himself to get back to an awful pass. So I don't know what happens. And then it felt like five more. We almost caught or could have caught. And then four that were just completely unketchable. The guys that seemed like they were open. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like getting hit. And he especially doesn't like getting hit in their cold. And that's why that pick six happened, which was really the game changer. I felt. Well, he almost had a full de l'homme cell. No, no, it's close for the new order listeners or people of the pod. Way back when Jake DeLom, I think he had five picks, including a pick six. Or maybe it was five picks in a fumble, whatever was we caught at the full de l'homme. This was just a de l'homme. It wasn't a full de l'homme. Yeah, right. He needed one more. I was waiting for him to get it. And he couldn't do it. But it was there was like a half decent. How much can you actually blame him debate? Because clearly he deserves a bunch of blame. And he was terrible. But the nevdico Collins, the running game was in there. The past just took that down. Shultz got hurt early. Right. I don't know. He lost the great tackle. Party trophy. All this goes on your trophy. Yeah. But I'm just because they're already talking after the game. Like, would you give this guy an extension? Yeah, right. You know, he had last two seasons, including the playoffs, 26 picks, 42 touchdowns. There was a legitimate, should they start his backup in the second half of a duer, die playoff game, combo. I would be nervous to give me the extension. I thought he took a step back this year. I would too. I think we for sure thought it was the best quarterback in that division, right? And now we're reluctantly have to give it. Who is it? Trevor Lawrence. Wait, where are we? Trevor. Yeah. I think it is Troubles. Yeah. I think that's where we are. It's there for Cam Ward. Cam Ward could get it too. Yeah. And you know, to your point, like it helps if you couldn't in these cold weather, miserable games, if you could run the ball, right? Yeah. I would think. And Woody Marx was what, 14 for 17 with a fumble. You're just not going to get it that way. In the first half, not only do we have the four takeaways in the pick six, they forced 22 plays of zero or negative yards would set the record for this century for our first half in a playoff game. Yeah. They had the run defense in the Chargers game. This game combined 30 carries for 61 yards. Like, and this is what I was saying last week before the Chargers game, like the, the stats with milk Williams plays versus when he doesn't. It's like night and day. They have all their D lineman back and they're really good at stopping the run. The Texans, I thought had a pretty good game plan. Like they kept picking on Carlton Davis, who's the, that's the cornerback. All the Pats fans are scared of, right? He's always in the middle of feels like a PI or a possible PI every time. He had two picks, he had a couple P.S. He went out the day after, right? Then he got hurt at the end. Yeah. But they went after him, but I think when Schultz went out, I think that really screwed with them because they weren't going to be able to run the ball. They didn't have like that eight yard guy over the middle. And let's be honest, like, they just were never good enough offensive with this year. I think to match whatever the defense was. And then I'll say this about the defense, which was admittedly awesome in a couple stretches, but the pads had three like full touchdown drives on them. Yeah. It wasn't like you watch and you're like, oh, they had these intercepted. They had three drives to score, including to like end the game. And the Texans didn't stop them. So like, when people are talking about them, compared to the 2000 Ravens, like settle the fuck down. All right. But three touchdown drives for 193 yards. Nine other drives for two total yards. I think you had seven first downs after three quarters. Like if you just isolate that, but Jay Stroud should be ashamed of himself for not beating that. You know, I didn't love the play calling. I thought may really took a while to get going. And there's it's it's a real thing. These young, young quarterbacks in the playoffs because we saw it with Caleb too. They're just all over the map. They're not consistent enough yet. But he ended up he had three touchdowns. But it's a really good throw. I think next week will be easier. Are you like wildly impressed by the Denver defense? Because I'm not. I don't think it's going to be as good as what we saw today. But maybe they'll play with a chip on their shoulder. So all right. Give me the unbiased. Just watch in the past. So they seem like a Super Bowl team to you. Because to me, I feel like it's a year early. What do you mean? Well, they advance to the Super Bowl? Like as you watch them, is it like holy shit? This is a team that belongs in the Super Bowl. Because to me, it feels like we had this in part-sales' last season. The 96 team, which just felt like a year from now was going to be the awesome team. And then awesome. They made the Super Bowl. It's like, all right. I guess we're ready. That's kind of how I feel about this team. I mean, probably not. But what, you know, when Denver's the number one seed, and Jacksonville's fighting for the number two seed by the last year, by the last week, and Buffalo shaky, you might as well be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. And that's an aerial. I think you are. And you're right there. I'm not. I really have to say something nice about this team. Well, I tried to trap you and you wouldn't do it. I'm not doing it. New a few people were at the game, and they said the electricity was 100% back. Really? It was paid the bill. 2000s level, like just everybody loved it. It was an old school like a feisty deed doing the whole thing. So the Pats go to Denver. We're there own four in the playoffs in my lifetime. All games that were memorable for some reason. The Rulan Jones safety on Tony Eason. Right. Down three with the ball and somehow I fucking Tony Eason, you get sacked for safety. Never forgive that dude. The plumber champ Bailey game. Plumber's like one good playoff game. I guess he had one against Dallas too. And then the champ Bailey when Ben Watson ran basically, they didn't have the next chance. That's for that. He was probably like 32 miles an hour. He's off the charts, Bill. We can't even measure that. And uh, Boggo's out of the one. I thought it went out of the end zone. That's the one. Apparently for Brady, that's the Super Bowl. That no seven or the two that bother the most that they really get. Yeah, because I think they they might have been the best team in OFF. Uh, 2014. That was the year Hernandez stuff went down right before the season and then TJ was bothered by the breeding that that stuff didn't bother the Brady. I they tried to play on and then TJ word took out Gronk. So we went in Denver without both of those guys lost that one. And then the last one was the noodle armpate manning season. The 20 day team loss two point conversion didn't get it. I think Brady was concussed like for that entire game. So anyway, my point is they've never won there. I have a big memory of that way beating us 20 times. I don't think the stats back that up. But this has been mostly a house of ours for the past. And Jared stood in my weights. But the good news is there's not one player associated with any of those years anymore on either team. So you're good. So you don't believe in the laundry baggage. I don't know. I might have phoned X was quarterback. I mean, we're going to get into that game. But I just can't believe it, man. I just can't believe it. I'm ready to get into that game right now. Let's do it. Where do we start? You want to start of the Denver side of the Buffalo side? To the intro. Talk about what just want to do the intro again. Yeah. Yeah. Just one of the guys coming on every watch this one today. Well, I think we got a we got a reluctantly killed Josh Allen for this. Two picks, two lost fumbles, including a fumble before the end of the first half that cost them three points that was something like Shardar Sanders or pick a rookie quarterback. It was a rookie quarterback play. It was inexplicable. Miss Knox for the game when he touched down down three, 20 seconds left. Missed Hardbend and OT when they're driving they would have been in a field goal range. She just threw him a grounder at throw. And then the bills fans fixated on those three calls. The bottom line is Allen must have ton of throws. Their defense was up four with four minutes left and had a chance to close the game out and they didn't do it. And then they had to hold the OT and they couldn't. And they gave up the two PIs, which by the way, were both PIs. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm proud of you. I'm good. Well, I know you're going to have the anti-bill slant anyway, but yeah, it was it was Josh Allen's fault. You could, you know, at this point of year, like I feel like I'm really gets taxing like defending referees and Tony Romo. It ends up being like 22 hours of my day. So, um, but the referees are going to make calls. They're not going to make calls. Say what you will about those passing appearances. The game could have ended 30, 30. There was a hold in the end zone. If you want to be like that, it could have been 32 30. On the safety. That would have been that. So it was a hundred percent a hold in the end zone that they let go. And they missed calls both ways. The whole game. Of course. And guess what? They're not trying to keep Josh Allen out of the Super Bowl. This is that that'd be a great story for them. That's what they want. So this one is and I feel like the others maybe weren't all on Josh Allen. I feel like this is 70 80% on him. The others, you know, that's a kicker that misses. Yeah. I'm going to go through those. We can. But it's just like this is this is just uh, it's rough for him. It's rough to see him cry and both locker rooms are crying because of the result. But um, you know, it was a brutal us. Allen was 0 for 9 on passes 20 yards downfield including the two picks. He just wasn't good enough and he should be able to win that game because I thought his defense was good enough. Kept them around. And it really felt like the way Cook was running in the ball. If he had a normal Josh Allen game, I think they win. So you go through like he's eight and seven to playoffs now. And he said four horrific playoff losses, which was the first one was the 2019 that Houston overtime lost. Right. They were they blew a 19 point lead in that. They lost the KC by 14. I mean, they had a couple couple normal playoff losses, but they had that OT loss that was not his fault, but 13 seconds game in 22. They had the loss last year by three. When they basically went four downs and out when they had a chance to close the game and then they had the one this year. He's had in his last three playoff losses for three of his last four. He's had the ball with a chance to close the game and he didn't do it. And he hasn't done it yet. And that made it super boy yet. And I think he's the best part in the league, but I don't know if you can say that anymore if he if this keeps happening. I mean, this is the first I've been on that corner since August. This is the first time where I'm like, I don't know if you can say it anymore. That was bad. Yeah. How about this? He's QB2 and there's no QB1, but he's not QB1. So it's like the it's like the WWE titles vacant because there's somebody got injured. I'm fine with that for this year. I'm fine with that. I don't think there's anyone top of the mountain right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And your guy can get vacant. That's fine. Mike I could do it. Mike guys not ready for that either. Yeah. I mean, this is six divisional round games. 0 for six can't get past it. I think six overtime games. He had the ball and a chance to win in five of them. He has he's put up three points in those six games. It's it's rough and it's really it's really rough. And you know, we talked about all the weather that went on this week and the bad stuff like well, a good running game could disguise bad quarterback play. You never thought you'd have to disguise Josh Allen's quarterback play, but the bills had the most rushing yards this weekend out of anyone. They had a hundred and eighty three yards. That was such a bonus for cook to be on fire. What do you have like 117? The terrible fumble. I mean, it was reminiscent of the Jacksonville last week who was up seven three. They didn't fumble, but they missed on the fourth and one. This week Buffalo's up seven three about to go 14 three and cook fumbles, but the difference is you have Josh Allen. You should be able to overcome that. Yeah. And if you're going to make excuses for him and we we haven't talked about the call yet, but we will. But if you're going to make excuses like depleted receiving core, right? He said he had cooks involved in multiple huge plays who was on a football team seven weeks ago. Right. He had hard men who I don't even think was on the team a month ago. Right. He's out there in an important spot. Shakir is like basically they're using him like his tree brown in 2001. But there's been other great quarterbacks who've been in situations with like inferior receiving like Brady won his first Superbow. It's your main Wiggins and David Patton and yeah, I think David Givens. I can't even remember who the received Troy Brown was the best one. But then you go on through like 06 when they almost beat the Colts and the FC title game the Pats. That was the reshay called well, Jabbar Gaffney, Benjamin Watson. Like this happens sometimes when you're paying your quarterback 55 million. You have some bad luck. You might end up with this. You can have everything. He has his tight ends are very good. His tight ends are very good. His offensive line is good. His offensive line is good. He had 18 touchdown passes to non receivers. So it's pretty he's been able to figure out how to make it work between throwing and running backs and tight ends for sure. But Brandon Cook's boy, my God, what a frustrating player. I mean, this guy was on what like a half a dozen teams before age 25, something ridiculous. And he's supposed to be a speedster. And Alan barely overthrew him like three times. And then he takes a little off of it. And he actually catches it, but not long enough because I actually didn't think I was Alan's fault because he asked to on the throw. This guy he's over throwing because it can't catch his speed. But you thought you thought no catch. I thought I thought they should have looked at it for God's sakes for longer than what they did. I was shocked that people it was a good argument because people felt strongly about it both ways. I didn't think it was a catch. I didn't remotely think that was a catch because he's catching it. He hits it and people freeze frame. And if you freeze frame it great. But that's not how football goes. It's like a continuation. Why can't it freeze frame? We freeze frame passing appearances. They call if there's a slightest tug of a jurist. You have to catch it and you hit the ground and you have to survive the catch at least a little bit. He lost the ball immediately. And if the Bronco wasn't there, it just sort of been incomplete. But he lost it right to the Bronco. I don't know. And I don't I thought like immediately. I was like, oh, shit. That's an interception. Really? But as we talk about over and over again, the with definition of a catch seems to change week to week. And people can bring in plays from the past. But here's the play when they call that a catch for the receiver. No, I never thought he had the ball. We could instantly find five of that. He lost the ball and one one hundredth of second. It was what's the answer was it have to be six one hundred who decides you me like who decides how long it's a great it can't be incomplete because they never hit the ground. They never hit the ground. Yeah, right. So yes, one of the two had to catch it. Right. He he took two steps hit the ground and immediately lost it. And in any other scenario, they would have said he didn't he didn't continue the catch. It's not a catch. So he didn't get the catch on a catch. It went to the Broncos. So at what point can they be like, all right, hey, it's not long enough guys. Let's look five of us come in here and swarm that ball out. Is it two seconds? Is it a half a second? He doesn't need to make a football move at that. Yeah, but maybe a half a second would have been nice. I agree. They should have looked at it longer. It was kind of a big play. Did not be like, hey, we're going to look at this for a minute here. They spent 10 minutes looking at spots, 4,000 spots, like they could look at his McDermott's like, I'm going to call timeout. Maybe I'll call all my timeouts here because I really think you guys should look at it for 40 seconds. And we still don't know what that I in the sky and go to New York and booth review. Like we're still unclear about that, but there should have been some explanation about that. So I'm saying. I agree. I don't think there's a catch. I thought it was a weird call that you're we saw this even in the Rams game today where it was before the field goal to win the game. They just took two shots at the end zone for no reason. It's like, why aren't you guys getting closer? Why are you so comfortable with? I know. 48 yard kick at what was it? Like 10 at night? Yeah. I go freezing cold. Especially with this. Special teams have been great. So I think they got well, so I was doing a, you know, I was nervous about the game and I was doing a bunch of research about Alan. And I was thinking, this might be the best version we've ever had of the QB, the great QB that can't get over the hump. Because when we were in high school in college, it was marino in no way. Right. And they were like the yeah, but QBs where we would be like, oh, they're so great. But and especially marino because marino really peaked 84 85 and 86. And he led the Wig and yards and TDS every year. They made the Super Bowl. And it just seemed like he was going to rip through the Wig and he never really matched it. But he lost the Super Bowl to Montana. He lost the AFC title at home and to the 85 Pats lost to Jim Kelly twice. They blew a 21 6 lead to San Diego 95. Then he became pretty immobile. Right. And it just kind of that was it. I still think he's one of the 10 best QBs. Since the merger. He's one of the best QBs I've ever seen. He didn't win me too. I don't think he was like kids highlights of them. I'm like, come on. Doesn't that isn't that great? Doesn't that look different than a lot of what we see it in? They're like, yeah, that's good. I mean, I don't know. He wouldn't be top five type four today. I'm like, oh, God damn it. Of course he would. I promise you. He would. Well, if you factor in like people are diving at his knees and he throws it and you know, all the things that you had against you. So he was Star Cross. But I don't think even close to Josh like year after year with these horrible losses, not to mention the Buffalo Bill's history and all the stuff, all the baggage that comes with being a bills fan, all the terrible things that have happened. And now you have this guy who's the best part in the league. And every year something happens. L way was the other one. Yeah. And L way was from 83 to 96, seven and seven in the playoffs. Got blown out in the Super Bull three times. Had that huge choke against the 96 Jaguars. Did you have them in a par line? Yes, I did. The Bruno game. I forgot. I looked up that game. There are 12, nothing at home. And then the Jack score 23 straight points and then it up knocking them out. But then he flipped it and they won in 97 98. They went back to back Super Bulls and it was mood after that. And then the other one was paid Manning who the first eight years of his career was three and six in the playoffs. Lost the nine and nine dolphins. Lost to the past twice in a row. Lost to the O five Steelers is big favorites. And that's probably the doppelganger for this. Alan and Manning and Manning one and O six. My no league version of that. I'd put my guy in there. Romo. You could say what you want about him. But yeah, that's fair. They had some really good years. They had 13 one years and 12 one, you know, so there's the other one is still rivers. I think you have rivers. I was saying how long was Breeze before he before he went on? He got his early because they won it on 09 against the Colts. Yeah, that was yeah. He don't lend them the Saints for a couple of years. So he doesn't count. Then I was going back to the 80s and there's like Dan Fowlts people like that who had little mini runs. This is crazy because he's clearly the best quarterback in the league. But now there's this playoff thing hanging over it. And we see this this happened in basketball more than football. Like this was like the old car on my own thing and people like that where they couldn't get over the hump base. Couple things make this worse. Social media, right? Because within four minutes of the loss, you see Josh Allen come January and they'll be a picture of Aaron Judge in a bill's uniform. You know, so that's awful. The second thing he just he just falls to pieces during these press conferences like man, this is me. I don't know that it meant that much to Dan Marino that he was losing. I'm sure it hurt. But do you know he just yelled at people? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, put a big scoreyated and interned. Yeah, get out of my face. And I'm not talking to anyone until September kind of thing. And Josh Allen is just even on the sideline just broken up and just it's miserable. There's something with the baggage. Like I was talking about it with a couple Red Sock fan friends about and I wrote about this a hundred times when I was writing for ESPN about the mentality of a fan base when you just feel like you're gonna kick the nuts at the end of your season. Yeah. And we hit, you know, from our generation from that the Pedro era through the Aaron Boone game, where it was just like, I don't know if I should follow sports anymore. Like it gets the darkest of dark. You're just like, why do I do this? Like I like should I do this? So I want to give this team to my kids. And I think the bills, the combination of everything that's happened on them really since the, I don't know, 80s. Sure. Or late 80s into whatever combined with the fact that they have this guy and they had this season where by far he would have been the best quarterback left. Yeah. Right. And now on top of it, you get to watch the Broncos advance and Bonix is out and you've Jared Stidham. Like they're probably like, couldn't that Bonix injury have happened like 20 minutes earlier? Like Jared Stidham? It's really brutal. It's brutal for the fans. As it gets. I went to college in upstate New York. Everyone was a bills fan. Some of them were bearable. Some of them not, but the core fans are just their great fans up there. And I think now I know why they dive through tables because they want to get, can, can cause so they can forget about all this nonsense every year. It's really bad. Yeah. So they fit, they were fixed in the call. McDermott played it big, but I just thought they blew that game in a bunch of different ways. And honestly, he's got to hit knocks like. Yep. You just have to, you want to, I had my best QB since the merger. Brady, Montana, my homes, Manning, L.A. Rogers. Marino Farve Young Alan. I think those are the best time QB since 1970. And then you can throw Stafford, Breeze, Rivers, Kurt Warner, Bradshaw, Stobback. I just think young and Alan were better than all those guys. Farve has to be above them. Like we need throwing stats and a Super Bowl. But it's weird. Alan is the only one that, I guess Marino would be the other one that doesn't have Reno and they played in one Super Bowl in last. Yeah. I mean, it's phenomenal that he's old for six in this round. And lost to my homes over and over again is the other problem. That's like his biggest rival from his generation in Boston every time. This was bad because Nick's I think is the worst quarterback he's lost in. I think so. I mean, I know you were down on Nick's. I don't know that. I think he probably played better than every quarterback this weekend. Like who played better this weekend? We know that he threw the key PI throw. He had a broken ankle. It seems like when you threw that last pass. Yeah. But how about this? You don't have to worry about a call, ticky-tack call. If you have some safety help there, if it's a one on two when you Eli Manning and you under throw it, the reps are less likely to call a pass in a fairance if it's an unketchable ball like that. But I don't know. Don't leave it up. Where was the help on any of that stuff? He was like kind of smart, Nick. Throw on it like that. We've talked about it forever that this, who was the was it? Rivers that was doing it for a couple of years there or Flacco? Somebody was doing this in the way 2010s where this Rothless Burger tried to do it. The soft fans were like, oh, we maybe will get one. There's three outcomes. Two of them are good for us. Let's just keep doing this. But they though one of them was clearly designed to get a PI. That last one he threw was like almost like a Hail Mary Moonball that to drop down and try to get the D back to collide into him. White was pissed off. I thought it was no question that was a PI. I thought it's a second one for sure. Our first one was there. But I don't know. I get it. If I'm a Bill's fan, I'm making excuses for my guy. I'm fixating on that call. I understand all the stuff they're doing, but they blew the game. There's no other way to say it. They blew the game. They should have won and should have won and should have won 3430. He should have hit knocks. The game should have been over. Is it like this in basketball? Would you say where the officiating is scrutinized, 500% more than the playoffs than it is the regular season? I guess because the NBA is pretty bad too. But it feels like the cause are bigger in football. You have these cause that literally swing games in basketball. You have the foul baiting and some stupid stuff. But it's hard to swing a game with a calm basketball. And I've always said it's tough to officiate. Otherwise, it's just a practical joke on all of us fans. No, no, we're going to make the officiating in every sport bad. It's like, no, these guys are fast. It's hard to see. It's hard to make calls. But in the case of the cooks catch where you could review it, that's why I think they need to get it right or they need to explain or they need to do something different than on the spot call, which you can't review. Well, they brought us when it's one of the great, I mean, they've won Super Bowl. So you can't say, it's one of the great non-Super Bowl playoff wins. Probably you defeat Josh Allen. This great home win. It seems multiple times. It seems like you're going to blow it. And then 15 minutes later, we're all getting the text from each other. Whoa, oh my god, Nick's. It's like, did he get it back? Car? What happened? It's like, no, he broke his ankle. How do you break his ankle? I watched so okay. But he break the ankle after the game. And it was like it was a little bit weird because most of the reports with that, he got it kneeling down, which wasn't the case, right? It was like, oh my god. Yeah, it was that little design rollout thing. So they they had an incredible amount of luck this year and then get a bad break at the worst possible time. I still think this didn't thing. They're home. They have a really good defense. You saw this Pat's offense could be a little, the blocking could be, I would say sketchy. Wil Campbell, and he texted us. They have that. He was watching the video when Rae Bull stands in the tunnel and he hugs each guy after. When the guys, the Patriots come in and each guy does the handshake in the hug. And he said, Wil Campbell looked like he had just gotten back from like a tour of duty and some military site and just like just deer in the headlights. I mean, he got, he has not done well as the left tackle and now you have this Denver team that's going to load up on him. They're going to, you know, they're going to try not to buy this. And that's from running the ball. I'll tell you why I'm not buying this. This, what was me thing with the Denver thing because if you are to lose the Denver, you're definitely listing your top seven Patriots playoff losses next year and you're putting this in the top three. We're not going to have to worry about it. It's not going to happen, but I'm just telling you that's what would happen. This will be pretty tough with the way it's lined up now. To play Darnal, that in neutral field as the prize who I still feel like, and I think our defenses get. I felt like people were sleeping on it. I think they can at least get pressure on him, make him try to work. I think Gonzalez could take out JSN and we match up pretty nicely with them. And I'm excited to watch the Malcolm Butler quick for two weeks, but the the paths have to get there first and they've never ever won a playoff game in Denver. You could hire Pete Carill as like their consultant, right? Like they've done that. Like right now going into the game. The Denver conciliary. Yeah, well, no, not Denver for the Seattle game. Yeah. Okay. Here's the sea hawks. Yeah, because he was there since last two years. He was the guy. They're going to say the Denver game because Vegas played them twice. That's true too. I think Pete was only there in the spirit. Yeah. Did you see Vegas is going on? The Raiders record, not the record, but the scores against these playoff teams. Like, you know, you guys lost before that or left. Yeah. Unbelievable. Like the either one or lost by three footballs weird. That was when I really was concerned about Stroud when I started on that week in fantasy and the playoffs and he played Vegas. Yeah. And he was terrible. And I was like, it's like, what's up with this dude? And that was the guy that showed up today. Well, we've guessed the lines and we have two. Is this where you get that? I'm already saying. Before we do, guess the lines. How'd you do in the gambling? I did okay because I had teasers all over the place. I have a ton way, way too much. Like, I'm going to have to pull my kid from college if the Hoosiers lose tomorrow because I had a bunch of tie to some of these goals. Yeah. Seven and a half Seattle money line tie to Indiana. So fingers crossed. I get over the finish line there across the finish line. But how'd you do? You did well, right? I did well. I would have done awesome if I had him pay an act and done some Niners protection stuff. Oh, I got really scared. Sue Schaefter. You should sue him. I got really scared. I did some, but I had my favorite one. I did like a 14, seven point T's. That's like two to one odds are close. Yeah. And I took both sides of the Bill's Denver game because I was like, that game's going to be close. I'm just betting on that one. And I had that the Seahawks and then the Bears plus 10 and a half today. When they were down 23, 10, you were scared. I was nervous too with having the Bill's plus points 23, 10. Then you look up. It's like, how are they winning this game? 24, 23. What did I do? Yeah, that's that that was the weird thing was it was a little like the Stroud game where Alan was bad enough that it's that all of a sudden the bills were in a power position in the game. And it's like, I don't understand how this happened. Yeah. You know, it was weird. They didn't use something enough. Thought some of the Sean Payton play calling. I thought was a little, little, little iffy. I don't, I don't really remember that much about stitum. I don't think he can move like Nick's could obviously, but I think he throws a good deep ball. Yeah. So I don't know if they're going to try to just do heavy run and then play action with stitum. And if they do that, that's perfect for the Pats because they eat up the run. I can't. Well, I want you to check out his preseason games. I'm sure there's tape of it because you started every every preseason first two preseason games every year. 34 strings. It's a great spot for drink. We'll see. You know, I don't think he was probably happy with those first to play off games. And especially the ball protection stuff. They got lucky. There was one fumble that really would have hurt them and they the Pats were going to get it back. But I think they need to start rolling them out away from pressure. I just can't, I can't believe with the way this team blocks that they're in the final four. Yeah. When it just doesn't seem like he has more than three seconds ever. Yeah. One do you think Donald gets hurt? Like is it like washing his car? He just like went through this with the Celtics two years ago with all the teams. The Celtics played that year and it was like asterisk asterisk and then they beat Dallas. This is especially this is incredible though. This is just every week, right? Even when the good teams do show. But if you but if you had this situation with your guy Tony Romo in the late 2000s, you would have loved it. Of course, I would have loved it. You have to love it. Yeah. But you're going to get it. We knew this was going to be a weird year. We were saying this in October. We were like get ready for fucking weird playoffs. Like none of these teams are that good. Who are the good teams? I'm just saying don't accept the trophy. That would be like a bold thing to do. It would be like, you know, like the fans of Massachusetts fans would be like, people would be like, all right, I'm okay with them now. Just I bet maybe at five to one for MVP for Super Bowl MVP. I did on the pre pregame show today. It was like enough. There's enough. So I want to towel. How much was it? I'm Duke and Rocky four. Five to one odds. That was just they have. It's got to be updated. It's got to be less than that now. So do they have the Super Bowl MVP odds or not? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Right now. Do they have all of them up? But yeah, they do. Yeah. Darnold's plus two 50 May is plus two 80 staff for plus 330. JSN 14 to one, Puka 17 to one, Walker 21. I think there's a real JSN case. Real is yeah. Because at the Seahawks one and we've seen receivers, we just had it happen, Cooper couple couple years ago. We've seen receivers win MVP when they the quarterback stats aren't that good. And the receivers like 10 for one 22 with a touchdown or whatever. Sometimes they'll win it. I'm predicting you put a Hyundai on Christian Gonzalez at 225 to one. No doubt about it. He was good today. He got that. He was he was excellent today. It really helped them that Nico Collins wasn't playing obviously. But I don't to tell you, we have Stidham versus an AG Matthew Stafford versus Drake May versus Sam Darnold. And that's our final four of QBs. What were the odds of that? You think in August. You couldn't get it. Is it like a million to one? Yeah. You couldn't get it. The Stidham. And if I told you Stidham was starting in the AFC title game at home, you would have thought Bo Nick's got hurt in like week four. And Stidham did like a Nick false. Well, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, I guess that would be the only way to do it. Oh, man, it's freaking patriots. All right, guess the lines. So, go ahead. So I don't even know, do we know what's the first game? What's the second game? Yeah, I'm assuming past Denver is first. You think you're the light game? You should, they should send your game to Europe. They should play that in Ireland somewhere at three in the morning. Of course, you should have first game. You should have been the first game Saturday, if not for Houston and the Saturday. Yeah. I went past the Pat's in Denver. I went Patriots minus one and a half. Wait a minute. Really? That's what you did. Yeah. I said Patriots minus five. And it's Pat's minus five and a half. Are you crazy? I was wondering why you were so worried. You got this, buddy. So if Nick's was the QB, what would the line have been? I think it would have been a tick-tax with you maybe favored by one and a half. Really? Yeah, I think so. Did you see our offensive line today? Well, I don't know. You've been power ranked higher all year than Denver, right? Haven't you? How do you think it's one thing? The guy hasn't thrown a ball in years. You're saying Bo-Nix is worth six points to the line. Well, Patrick Mahomes, that's ridiculous. The wing one was favored by one and a half. This would be four to the right. I don't think we would have been favored by one and a half in Denver against Bo-Nix. Well, who's betting? Steadily. So people have to decide. Are we good or are we not good? Because everyone's like, oh, schedule schedule schedule schedule. But then we should be favored in the AMC title game. Like, what, which is it? Well, I think you have to decide because you obviously don't think enough of your team that you, I mean, you have a four point gift here. You should bet a lot on Denver. We can't block. Oh, man. Well, he's in almost that seven sacks in that game. You are just fantastic. Keep a third tight end next to our left tackles. So we could have our quarterback, have two seconds of time. 100%. You're betting the Patriots. We never want to play off game in Denver. I'm not betting this in the ringer one. Oh, seven. There's no question. You're betting. But I'm gonna do that. I mean, I'm gonna do that. What if I could take the Broncos? I'm gonna go against my team. Well, that's what everyone's saying. Oh, what are we gonna take the Broncos? Like, this is teasers. They got to move the, they may move this to eight. Who knows? I'm positive. You are going to tease the Broncos to like 11 and a half. No way, no way. I can't bet bad quarterbacks. I'll bet you're a bad quarterback. That's it. I got to look at the manifesto and see what's going on. There are a couple quarterback rules in the manifesto. Just go to the letter S understidum. Bad offensive lines usually don't travel. And from what we saw, the Pat's offensive line, it was pretty sketchy. I mean, May and two playoff games. I think got where it stripped from behind as he was throwing five times. Five or four? Four or five? That's not a good sign for us. Denver's got a good defense. I'm looking at these before I guess, but some people are sending. So Denver's the first home underdog in a conference championship game since Paz Colts 2015. No Denver, New England 2015. Oh, noodle arm. Yeah. 2018. Yeah. Was that two and a half three? And this is the biggest home underdog. Any one seed has been in a conference title game since 19. All the sharps are going to take the Broncos. Yeah. There you go. All right. So I win the week. You know, go within one if I get this or if we talk. Manning was good in that AFC title game. Do you know he was noodle arm that whole year. He actually was pretty good in that game and he heard us. Rams, Seahawks in Seattle. I have the Seahawks favored by three and a half. Wait a minute. Who gets this? I said one and a half. It is two and a half. So we tie and so I win the week and it is now 10 to nine. Oh no, it is now. I'm still up by 11 a second. You can tie for the year. Oh, what a great treat that would be if we tie. Take what Netflix really did the right thing. I like when we tie it because then you're in a better moon. If we tie, if we tie, let's go to penalty kicks and Zoe. We're the two goalies and Zoe kicks against us. Is that that'd be great. Let's do it. She probably loved that. Zoe could probably hurt either of us. I know. Sorry. I deserve it. Seattle two and a half, huh? Yeah. I would have thought I thought that should be higher. I think I haven't been that impressed by the by the Rams. You think going into this week it was lower. That they should kind of thought they should have lost today. So if there's a midfield and over time, I felt like that game was done. What would you have made this line Friday night or whatever? Probably two and a half, two and a half. Yeah. Instead of three and a half. Yeah. I have a couple of emails from Bill's fans. This is from Brian. I'm a lifelong Bill's fan. I have two sons. Our 10 year old is completely bought in. He's watched every game in the past four seasons. I've done everything I can to warn him about how the season will end. After the loss of the Broncos, he went full Brad. I guess that's down a verb for our crazy friend Brad. He went full Brad was inconsolable and launched into a fallen asthma attack 30 minutes of hysterical crying purple lips and wheezing. I tried to explain in that like the masters. This is a tradition like no other. And the Bill's NFL finding a way to absolutely gut punch us. The most resilient fan base in the NFL. I felt nothing. They've crushed my insides. Do I have an obligation as a father to completely disabound the bills? That's from Brian. It's pretty bleak. That's for child protective services to figure out. It can't be who had to get that other record. Knock it out your door. You're lucky building to your last name. That sucks. That sucks though. We could laugh at everything but that absolutely sucks. Yeah. Unfortunately, your kid inherited the team and he can't switch. He stuck with the team. Did you that's nine and ten or the worst times for to have a loss like this? Those are the nine was the twice I've cried from sports in those really two times when I was nine. You know what? You didn't have to worry about that. It was in 2006 when you were in your 1930s. And also, but like going to school for you, you all like sympathize, you're all together, you're all in it together. Like I was a Cowboys fan in New York. You know, the best of different story. Well, my friends were met fans or Yankee fans and they hated the meds. But yeah, that's that's an extra hurdle. You have to you have to get over. Yeah, we had the Yankee playoff game and then we had the too many men on the ice against the Canadians. I think within six months of each other. Yeah. I think my parents got divorced in the middle of that. Oh, no, because of that. I think I might have had a 30-minute asthma attack. Wait a minute. Your parents got divorced because there were too many men on the ice. No, that's just I was just taking I was just taking losses left and right. Um, shale from Columbia, Maryland asks the NFL famously changed the rules on how defensive backs could cover receivers to get paid manning a ring. This is true, by the way. Which rule are they going to change to get Josh Allen over the hump? Could it be that QBs don't count against the cap anymore? They did change the rules for manning. And that was 100% happened. Yeah. I don't know what rule they would change. If your wife has been nominated for an acting award, you start every million more on the seller cap. Start every possession at the 45. I would know. What it is. There were a couple kickoff spots during these playoffs that I like you you down in the end zone you throw one 15-year pass in your ever midfield. Oh, yeah. I can't get used to it. I can't wrap my head around some of the spottings. Mm-hmm. You're like, we're we're on the other teams 45 already. What's happening? This is why I want to get rid of kicking and fantasy. Colton, you've talked a lot about how it could be Josh Allen's year. You forgot to mention how good his life is going. He's married to Hayley Steinfeld. They have a baby on the way. There you go. He's not hungry enough. One of the main reasons Tom Brady was so good, especially in the last few years of his career is because his personal life was teetering on the edge of collapse. Do you think, Alan, Mrs. Those throws against the Broncos of his personal life was collapsing? I think not. Wow. You know, do you think that matters? I don't know. It's a theory from Colton. I did did make me think like Brady matches L in the mid 2000s and we didn't win a Super Bowl for like eight years. Yeah. And then he started ripping them off near the end and now she's married to her Jitsu instructor. Brady was hungry, but I think it's because he was dedicated to carrot and ginger soup. Yeah, he was like literally just hungry because he was getting almonds. He got to be hungry to be hungry. Yeah, he was actually hungry. And then Alan asked, he said, I'm a hardcore NBA fan of Casual NFL fans. They're a modern NBA equipment to the Buffalo bills in Josh Allen, a proud but tragic small market team that's never made it over the hump. I don't I don't think any you can compare in other sports to what happened to the bills in the 90s. Right? No, I know. I don't think that you could say like the Pacers last year, but then seven other horrible things would have had to happen to them. So they hit six division old round games in a row without winning a Super Bowl. This bill's team is at six in a row without getting to the getting to the Super Bowl. But yeah, that was that was absolutely brutal. Those four. And they hit the lottery with the I mean, you go back at that draft and how it worked out where that was such a weird draft where we were trying to side who the good quarterbacks were going to be out of it. And there were all those choices and then they ended up getting the one you would wanted. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking that that that Caleb if Caleb had made the next round. And we would have had Caleb Drake and Jaden Daniels all in the conference title game in the first two years of that draft. And they went one two three. I don't I don't know if that even just happened in the NBA where we went one two three like that. I don't think it has. We've had like five years. There were three guys, but not like one two three. All of the guys were awesome. Yeah, I think it takes less time for a football team to change their fortune than a lottery picked that's the ball player problem. Yeah, that's true. You want to do some parent corner? Let's do it. I mean, I I feel I mean, that's those those were that was a parent story that was really that's going to be tough to top four guy. Yeah, that was sad. I mean, he did create the word full Brad. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I got to remind him to send you I have I have video Brad trying to get himself and somebody else a mountain do soda shakies from two weeks ago. himself and someone. Oh, someone on the table. Yeah, it didn't take a short amount of time. I'll just spoil it. It's a simple task. It's really I took two minutes. This is a lot of parent corner thing, but we took them to a yogurt land a few weeks ago. I took them with the boys and he had never been to one and he was screaming at the people behind the counter because he didn't realize you have to do it yourself, right? Like you have to put the yogurt in and then you add the top things and he didn't think that was right. And he was wondering what they were doing behind the counter that they couldn't do this. Oh, I got to do this. Oh, I got to do this myself. Oh, really? What do I get? What do I get? Like eight bucks an hour? What do you get? I'll take half what you get. What a god Jesus. Just eat your chocolate swirl. Let's get out of here. We might have to have him on the Super Bowl props podcast when we do that two weeks from now. We have on. Is it possible for him to be on a zoom? I think so. Yeah. I mean, it's going to take a lot to install a camera. I got to talk to Netflix. I don't know if he's allowed on Netflix. Yeah, you're right. It's too controversial for Netflix. What do you have for a parent corner? All right. Well, my parent corner involves my wife who I guess she sees me as a child. So it counts. Although I feel like I'm very mature in this situation. So she's in a baseball mom's fantasy league, right? So all the moms of Harrison's 12 year olds right there. And she does the draft in September. And she I give her nice grid. I was like, Hey, go running back wide receiver, running back wide receiver. Maybe wide receiver running back. I don't care. But for those first four, do that. Just keep doing that and do it through six rounds. So she for some reason waits until the fifth round take running backs. Despite the fact that I gave her a nice grid telling her what to do. And she ends up like James Connor and Dobbins, all this crap for running backs. And they're gone early. So she can never catch up. She has some bad luck. She goes two and 12 and she blames me. And because I can't dig her out of the hole, she like, you watch football, you watch every single play. You can't help me here. I'm against mothers. I'm like, sweetheart, it's all luck. Fantasy's all luck. So as it turns out, there's a punishment for last place. She was in 2012. Yeah, there's punishment for last place. So she says the other day to me. She's like, Hey, so and so is going to come by. She's dropping off the sign for the lawn. I was like, what sign for the lawn? It's a sign that says it's a fantasy football sign that says, I suck at fantasy football. And it has to go on our lawn for a month. I was like, that's not going on our lawn. She's like, yes, it has to. There's nothing I can. And the kids are like, no way. No, we're not doing that. Because then that looks like someone in this house. So, you know, right, then it'll look like I suck at fantasy football, right? It looked like, you know, my kids are like, they'd rather fail all their classes than have someone think that they suck at fantasy football with this. So she's like, well, the alternative was get this. I'd have to walk up and down the pier with a sign that says, I give great BJs. And I was like, Oh, Jesus Christ. What kind of league is this even my league? What is this? Like, my storm league? Yeah, I would have, I would have, I would have great BJs. I would have tried harder if I knew what that's saying, you know, so. But then I'm thinking like, all right, she carries that sign. That makes me look better at least. But I get why she doesn't want to do it. But so, like, we're fighting about this. So we have to put the sign in our yard. And I was like, you see, lost, you got to do it. I got to put your face on it. I was like, we have to people have to know, she's like, no, no, no, I don't want people knowing my family. I'm like, why you walk the dog? People see you out every day. It doesn't matter. It's like, no, no, I'm not. So now we're, it's like, what do you think we should do here? Like the kids, we're all fighting about this. So it should say that sign should be I'm a listener and I suck at fantasy football, something like that. Yeah, but it's already here. It just says I should make a new sign. I should just change it or put her face on it. Yeah. Put a picture over her face on it. Yeah. Do you have a picture of her from the other night? I don't know. I like this. I think it should go in your front line. And I think you could apply to the whole family. I know. I know. The least did you win this year? I love that. I like telling her. I'm like, oh, sweetheart, it's all luck. And then I'm like, no, I'm like, we're not putting that on the thing. If it's all luck, I shouldn't have a problem with it, right? My, my parent corner is so my son, my son is in college where he's in high school, but got in a college. And it's one of those things where you still have the second semester. Yeah. And you still got to put in the work, but he's already in. Right. And it's structurally that this is all the times when we have kids when they're younger, and you have to lie to them about the repercussions of things, right? And it beats with Elf and the shelf, which when we started doing parent corner, we talked a lot about Elf and the shelf and how ridiculous it is that these Elfs, we move them around every day. And if the kid doesn't obey, if that Elf gets mad, they might not get Christmas presents and they're stupid enough to believe this. I feel like this is the last, this is the last stage of Elf on the shelf. It's like, if you, if your grades go down, they could, you might, they might rescind your application and you're not in there. But meanwhile, you can probably Google that and I don't know if that's true, but this, this threatening your kid with something that deep down they probably know isn't that true. So now I'm just guilt tripping. Like you gotta finish strong. You became such a good student. Like, like, you got to finish this now. You got one semester left. Like, do this for pride. The point is lying to our kids doesn't work anymore. I think they've just completely figured us out by age 18, right? Yeah. Well, certainly it doesn't work now that you're telling the story. If someone tells them, oh, he does. Yeah, I was, yeah. Yeah. He already read me. So it's, it's, it's a good point. I'm basically, we're going back to past with our kids and they know exactly what offense we're in and where the receivers are going. And it's just, I don't think we can slip anything by them. But I wonder what age that is when that ends. Yeah, that's a 15, 15, 16. Mm-hmm. I think that's it. The only thing you could do is like you could have a story attached to it. Like, look, for the most part, this doesn't matter. But my friend Joe House. He was in, yeah. No, him. He was in Notre Dame. He got in and whatever. He was in. He was going to Harvard. He was in Harvard law and they saw his grades and pulled it. Yeah, he got rowdy at a bar and something happened. And then he actually said, yeah, I try that. See if it works. I should said that. Well, one thing is I know he's probably not watching. Not watching this thing. That's it for parent corner. Anything else we got to hit? I want to hit a couple things here. First of all, we are, most of our beginning of the year in August, we hit, we did our futures bets, right? Yeah. Um, want the good news of the bad news. Well, we did the, we did overunders, which was disappointing. Right. And then we had a futures draft above our futures. Yes. I'll tell you what, the good news is we hit 12 bets. Six each. The bad news is we gave out 53. Um, but some of those were high end. Okay. Yeah. So your best. What am I in like? I had like a Denver. To make the Super Bowl. Like, I have some ones that have like pretty big odds. You did better than I did. And we still have three left. You have rabble for coach of the year, which is going to win. That's about seven to one. I have salad for assistant coach of the year. And I have like penny stool for protector of the year, which I haven't seen an update since August on that. But anyway, your best was Seattle plus 500 to wind the division. Good job. By you. New Orleans Cleveland for last place, plus one 58 and Denver or Green Bay number one seed plus five 50. That's your best. Yeah. Well, the thing is we throw a bunch of these out. We try to hit 10 because they have the big odds. Right. But I think my issue was I tied, tied KC to all these KC killed KC just murdered us. What happened? dumbass team. I don't know where close to play. So the other thing is, um, I listen to your Friday show and Shreger mentioned the Bill Simmons re Apex, which is great. I mean, he just, he loves to kiss your ass. My God. My God, Shreger. I love Shreger. But could you give it a rest? You got the Friday spot locked up? You're good. You're going to be fine. I love you, Shreger. But anyway, the example he used, and I'll admit, it's a great scenario. Was it, was it an email or just a scenario? We came up with, if, how does it go? If there's an OJ type Bronco Chase in 2026, who's the most compelling current or former athlete? So who would be the 2026 equivalent to pay it to OJ Simpson? If that happened now and you had to have the surprise factor, the likability of the celebrity and the fame that everybody's in now, now everybody's like, oh my God, I can't believe this. Yeah. Hey, man, he's not in the top 20. Why is he? Who do you have? First of all, if it's the same scenario, it's Travis Kelsey, because that means he would have killed his wife, tell her, Swift. Of course, that's got to be the answer. That's right. You can't think of that. Yeah. Josh, that's true. He would have killed the, yeah. Anybody who's married to celebrity, it's a bigger, that's a bigger deal. That's a pretty good point. Even Josh Allen, but that's the same equivalent. That's a higher thing. OJ was a meridus celebrity. So it has to be, oh, it's got to be here to nonsense. I mean, I think like, show Hey, O'Tonney would be big. You'd be like, oh, that guy was gambling. He's running from his book. He had to kill somebody, like that. That's pretty good. LeBron, Caitlin Clark, Steph Curry, we kind of know his wife, right? But it has to be a retired athlete though. That'd be retired. Yeah, because OJ was retired. You're trying to fit the box of like former athlete, moved into a second phase of his career. Everybody liked him. Did commercials, dabbled in TV stuff, movie stuff. All right. Travis Kelsey. The other ones, somebody, there was a couple of emails actually, people pushing Michael Strayin, saying that that's actually the closest because like OJ went into TV after a crossover, was on the Regis and Kelly show and is on the ABC show. So it means something to like the female audience kind of like OJ was in the Hertz commercials. So StrayHand was interesting. But I don't think StrayHands is like the ZoJ was well Brady then for sure, for sure, would be up there. How about this one? Because we know the wife, Triple H. Triple H would be good. I don't know. I think a wrestler everybody's kind of like through 20% not surprised. They know the McMahon's. All Michaels would be ironic. That would be fun since he called the Michael's. Yeah. All Michaels on the run from Piscanos after he just put that a veal chop. That'd be good. Briding through Bretwood, the same street. He's crazy. This is what happens when you don't need vegetables. You lose your mind. That's a good man. At the more I thought about I think Serena might have been the answer. Oh yeah, that's a good one too. Yeah. Switches over. Everybody loves Serena. Nobody ever in a million years would have thought anything would happen with her. That's good. I think the shock value, I think my wife would care the most versus like Michael StrayHand people like that. That's a good. But Manning is kind of fits the OJ profile of almost in some ways feels as big as he did when he played from all the stuff he's up to. Right. I know we're missing one. I wrote down Bowen Yang, but I don't know if that's a four-z Bowen Yang joke and every night folks podcast. I watched by the way, I watched the Killtonish show at Netflix. Yeah, I haven't got that. And that guy, Cam Patterson came in and just absolutely crushed. You loved it on there. Yeah, I like the Killtonish show. It's that kind of like Gong Show crossed with Don Barris's Ding Dong show crossed with Cross with like a Jeff Ross roast. I don't know. It's all over the place. I like that show. All right, there you go. Anything to plug? Bring it again in the show all week. All week. I'm on with Tate, the Bundo House, High Fits, Great Group of Fellas. We do it over again Sunday morning on the pre-game show. And you know what? I'm going to give 10 people $50. I got to change my mojo. If you had a bad beat, hit me up that DeCousin Sal on Twitter. Show me a copy of your ticket stub, whatever. I'll give 50 to 10 first 10 I see. Had to be a bad beat in the Buffalo game. Well, this other stupid one we just watched. Well, we almost had the Rams with the overtime cover felt like it was in play in the West for Rose. Yeah, it's almost like he had him. All right, so two rewatching was coming this week. Double rewatching was we have just one of the guys on Monday. And then I'll tell people what the Wednesday movie is on the Monday. So we have that. We're going to be on Netflix all week on this pod rewatchable starts next week on Netflix as well. And Cuzz, I will see you in a week or big debate about whether my dad's going to come out for this Pat's Denver game. Oh, really? What's the debate? He's got to do it. Talking about making the flight. Yeah, we've watched a lot of these. You never know after we had that last Pat's Chiefs one in 2018, which I think we watched together. Right. Now that we're back, I think he might come out for this one. So I don't know if that's going to help my luck or not. I can have him as I'm doing the pot. I can just have him sitting in the seat behind me just probably comb up from the game. Yeah, after you know what? You should say to him, you know, Dad, remember seeing you here, you told me I have to give it my best second half. You're a full shit, right? Yeah, you lied to you. Look at us now. 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