Yedoye Travis is Stretching

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Dude, what's up? Oh, you know, we're just having a podcast. You know what they call it having a podcast. Yeah, you know what we should do? We should have a podcast. You know, it's having a podcast reminds me of like, I got in trouble with a bunch of my friends when I after I went to Europe for the first time. Because I stole some of their turns of phrase. Everyone started making fun of me. I couldn't help it. I like the way they say some things. Oh, you stole the European turns of phrase. Yo, yeah. Oh, they talk bad, though. I'm still here. But you know what they say some fun stuff. Like someone I picked up from them, someone say like, oh, are you going to be in town on the 17th? You say, I meant to be. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, to me, I like that. That's very British, though. Yeah. I thought you were saying like Europe, Europe. There you go. No, fake British Europe. Okay. I like the British. What's another thing? What's another thing I did that you got mad at me for? The biggest one by a mile is, you don't say, come to my house, you say, come to mine. Come to mine. Oh, that's evil. Yeah, you're great. That's a little evil. I cut you off, what were you saying? I think I like like, like, black British phrase, like, my youth. Yeah. My youth. Am I allowed to use that? I don't know. Because I know. I'm not as well versed in like the gatekeeping of black Britain. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm not going to give it to you on their behalf. No, I'm not going to try. You can't take that off me. Just so you know. Yeah. I'm not going to try it at the moment. Okay. What is that? Well, fuck, what does that mean? You're a you, you're my you, you know, you're like my, you're like my friend. Oh, a buddy, pal. Like buddy. Okay. Like you look. Yeah, yeah, you are. I can definitely do. You love that one. I like you lot. You can't say like that though. No, you look. Well, it's just tricky because it's, it's the accents get tricky because sometimes it's not just British. There's another element going on. And then it's like, what am I doing? Right, right, right. And I also don't know. Yeah. I cannot tell. No, you have to tell me. I'm begging you to tell me. I'm reaching, I'm reaching into other people's talk of this. I truly don't know. Being a white guy. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Haha. Yeah. Yeah. No. Wow. Wow. For example, like this was crazy. Can I say that? Can I not say that even this moment right now? Yeah, yeah Well, can I say the thing? Can I not say that's hard? Yeah, well you you can yeah, I'm not gonna try it Could you imagine I say it and we find out it's some horrible thing in Britain? I would love that so much You would love my whole console. Yeah, yeah, do you really I won't see you see here's the thing is it's always fun to watch Yeah, it doesn't matter who it is. Yeah, I think you're a very kind man. Yeah, you know, you're you've been great to me You're a kind guy, but like from a distance I'd watch whose cancellation of you enjoyed the most um You know what I didn't expect you to ask me It for example now. I'm now I'm thinking about it. I got a kind heart man. I I don't like it You can speak to me. Yeah, I don't I don't like watching people get canceled It's a it's a very bad experience. I'm also notorious flip flopper. Yeah, that's my thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Taking big stances and then taking it back. Yep. Yeah. I walk it right back. What's your big what do you think you've been your biggest flip flop? Do you remember that one just now just now was your best that was it just now that was the one that established me as a flip flopper Yeah, yeah, before that you were not a flip flopper for that. I was absolutely not a flip flopper But you know, this is what your flip flop is me becoming a flip flopper is the Is the biggest flip flop for me. Oh man. I'm so excited to have you here I haven't seen you in a minute last time I saw you. I think it was the The basement of Union Hall. Yeah. Yeah. It was yeah, that's this was like And I was on my way out too. That was barely even a sighting No, it was horrible. I went upstairs to try and find you because I felt but I actually felt bad I We had a quick hug and a hello and then I lost you Yeah, and then I came up to be like I was like I put in my head I said I'm gonna talk to you doing when I get upstairs and then I went up there and you were gone Yeah, that's um that's been my My way of being the past year. Yeah, I'm very I've been very in and out slipping out. Mm-hmm. What do you think that's about? Uh, you know, it's been it's been quite a year of uh, I just don't want to be outside. Yeah, you know, that's I don't even know if there is more to it than that. Yeah, I just uh, you know sometimes you have that uh You have those times in your life where you're like I've had enough. Yeah, I not in like a not in like a um Like a no me worried, you know what I mean? He's not in that kind of way. No one be worried. Not nobody stress out Yeah, but you know sometimes you just you're just like I've seen it. Yeah, you know Yeah, I've been at Union Hallway. Yeah before I know what goes on over there. Yeah, and uh, and it's been very much that kind of year for me I've been doing the same thing the same three things all year. What are they? I've been I've been going to work. I'm a carpenter in the theater. Yeah, uh, I've been doing stand-up and I've been playing soccer You okay, I knew all these things about you And I'll say a fourth thing that I think you're doing that you didn't mention. Yes, you're stretching I'm stretching. I'm stretching. I'm stretching that in many ways is in auxiliary thing two playing soccer. Yeah, but yes I am stretching. You're really stretching. I see you stretch online and I go I got a stretch You got a stretch because you're doing really good at it. Thank you. And it's inspiring to me. Thank you I uh, I I have definitely added that to my personality. That's big that's become a big part of being the past year Huge pillar of you to me now. Yeah is stretching. Yeah when I think of I'm not even kidding you I was at the gym the other day and I was I was kind of phoning in my stretching. I'm not dead serious in my head I was like you do I would hate this? You know what you would hate to see you like this. You know what? Here's the thing though Yes, but also I think people I think people This is going to sound crazy after I've been established as the stretching guy But I think people are are overemphasizing the stretch really when they Are they're doing it? They're doing the stretch at the wrong times Because I because sometimes you know when you stretch your unlock in positions that you're not comfortable in Yeah, you're unlocking think positions that you're not you don't have the strength Yeah, and then you're going out and you're playing sports So you're going and lifting weights you're you're putting yourself in a risky position Yeah, you gotta go go lift the stuff get your strength and then you stretch after you you know once you're You're tired and you're relaxed and you're you're not planning on exerting a bunch of energy You know I mean stretch after the I'm team stretch after the event. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Get you a nice warm-up lubricate the joints if you will Yeah And then stretch stretch after the fact you don't need you don't need to be able to do the splits. Yeah, you don't need that Oh, I will never yeah, you could I won't you you you you could I could But I think we both know I would look hilarious doing the splits. I'm not gonna look hilarious like that. Well Tell me I wouldn't look hilarious if imagine me doing the splits right now and tell me you're not kind of giggling. I'm a I'm giggling a little bit But I'll also I'll tell you whatever you want to hear you know what I mean. Yeah, would you really yeah? I guess I guess I do like that I love hearing what I want to hear it is tough to see guy hearing what you don't want to hear yeah Yeah, and sometimes you know Because of the things you don't want to hear you got to hear. Yeah, you know, I tell I've told I've told a lot of people in my life that I don't want to be surrounded by yes men. Yes, but every time I say it I there's a little part of my head that's like I really want You really Here's the thing I think you either got a you got to be around All yes men are all no men, you know, I mean, I don't think you can ever you know You don't think there could be harmony between the yes and no man. I think no No, cuz I think like if you're around If you're around like yes men all the time and you hear no it feels like oh, so I I'm just Jeffrey Epstein, huh? Yeah I'm so I'm Jeffrey Epstein I'm just Jeffrey Epstein Oh No, I guess I'm just I'm just Hitler I'm doing over the first time feels like being Hitler. Yeah. Yeah, if you're surrounded by yes men. Yeah It does it does and then if you're surrounded by no men forever and you hear you hear your first yes It changes you yeah, you know it changes you in a much less funny way You know, I don't have a bit prepared for that, but you know, it's a it's a different experience You know, if you like you have a lot of yes men or no men in your life I I think I have Almost exclusively no men in my life and it's and and it's great. It's a great thing. Yeah, I think um I think you're supposed to have people in your life that are like you don't do that. Don't do that You're not that guy. Yeah, you know what I mean? And it's not to say that like They're discouraging It's just to remind I feel like you need to be reminded of like who you are every now and then yeah I live the loan for like two years and like I think you live you leave that experience feeling like I could be anybody I could I have nobody seen me for for two years. I could be I could be any guy You know, I think what's happened? Yeah, they have no clue. They don't know what's going on here Yeah You know in my layer my in my layer they don't know what links I got. Yeah, they don't know what I'm clicking You know You know, I mean they don't know what I'm clicking. Yeah, I feel like if you're living in the real world and you got you got your like Reasonable no people around you. Yeah, then you got you got somebody to be like hey you you were not on that yesterday Yeah, don't suddenly be on that today, you know Yeah, I guess maybe that would be not anybody who's whoever said no to me. I fired them or cut them off Yeah, and that's gonna change you. I know it's a crazy way it already has you won't I become a bad guy And you know what maybe I met you as a bad guy and I don't know what a bad guy looks like yeah Yeah, so you're in on the illusion. Yeah, so I'm like I met you at this point. Yeah, and so my getting my my character judgment It's just do you think you're a good judge of character? I think generally yes, I think you are but if I if I If I meet you at the wrong time who knows yeah, yeah, you know, okay I do judge a character that being said I think I think everybody could I think everybody has a window in their life where they can kind of reset Yeah, you know what I mean where you can like gather new people around you and they can't tell for a little bit Yeah, you know what I mean? I think that's true. Yeah, so exception is real. Yeah So I think I think I'm a good judge of character, but I think there's a lot of There's a lot of good judges of good judges of character. Yeah You can like you can spot who's a good judge of character and you can know not not to be around that person If that makes sense you can spot who's a good judge of character and you can know not you're saying if okay If you're a bad guy, yes, yeah, you can spot who can tell and you stay away from the way from those you don't want to be found out Yes, yes, I'm with you 100% yes, yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, I think I'm a good judge of character I have been snowed very rarely, but when I got snowed it hurt What does that mean to be snowed like to get the wool pulled over my eyes? Oh, I've been tricked. Okay. Okay. Yes Very rarely but woodwinged woodwinged very rare. Let us stray Run amok run amok fooled What else is there you just pull out Malcolm X's autobiography? Yeah, we draw mind. Yeah Yeah, but I the the couple of times it's happened to me. It's hurt deeply because I don't view myself as someone who that happens to right You know, yeah, yes And I don't want it to happen again. Yeah, yeah, I won't get fooled again. I won't get well fool me once. What's that George Bush? I For me once shame on you For me twice You Really one of his most iconic quotes Bush Uh, yeah Malcolm X what a guy so what Yeah, you didn't you didn't need to really do that You didn't really need to guess request seriously on the show. All right. Well, whatever you need Oh You have you been doing Santa lately? I have been I've been doing a little bit of stand-up recently. I um Maybe this is why this has been an inside year for me. I taped uh, I taped an hour in February. Congratulations. Thank you um, and Just have not been able to To do anything until it's done. Mm-hmm. You know, you know sometimes you're just like I got to finish the project or else I I can never move on Um, I wish I had that quality that sounds like an amazing quality to have well. I think it's a ADHD is what it is Okay, yeah, and so I'm I've just been like this thing has to be out in the world because I feel like it also informs everything that I'm gonna write from this point Yeah, it makes you know, it does it feels like the um The way I went into it was like this is this this is the special that is going to establish um, what my Voice is or what I what I believe my voice to be um And after this point don't ask me no fucking questions about what my jokes are about. Yeah, I'm not I'm not doing your little I'm not talking about uh, how you can't say nothing no more Because you can yeah, you can say something some more and you can reference the work you can yeah I have a piece that you can reference that this is how I feel about stuff. Yes, and it's the foundation of the things I'll do moving forward. Yes, what is good? What's where you are with it in the process? um, I Have Accepted that I'm not a good editor myself. I did most of the rough cut and I passed it off to a friend who actually knows what What they're doing So hopefully it'll be done by the end of the month nice if not early next year Where do you know where it's gonna live? Yeah, it's gonna live on YouTube hell yeah. Yeah, I love that Yeah, so you're the plan is to put it out 2026 Um, the very rough plan is just within the next month. Oh, oh put it out in the next month. Yeah Oh, hell yeah, I mean it would be done, but I didn't know if we were gonna like put it out. Fuck yeah, let's go Yeah, yeah, I can't sit on it any more. That's exciting. Yeah, I'm excited for that. Yeah, thank you I can't wait everybody have to go watch everybody mark your calendars some point this thing will come out and you have to go watch it Yeah, I uh, I don't know if I think maybe I said the name publicly you Don't worry. I don't but I don't know where but it's called fatherless behavior. That's the most behavior. Yeah cool I can't wait to see it. I'm excited. Where'd you film it? You need a haul Hell yeah, um, um Of this like interesting. I didn't I started out in Chicago doing comedy and so like there was this big thing that you would hope for for a couple years when you were like Starting out in Chicago, which is like man someday when I can like Get venues in New York to book me. Yeah, which is at first in general. You're nowhere near that But then you start to get a little bit of traction you think like man if I got the right line up I could maybe get like half the room full at Union Hall And it's just really a Union Hall is this place that's like So exciting. Yeah till I go and then you get here and it I kind of wondered like Oh now that I I don't really play like venues that small as often anymore It was something that'll like fall out for me mentally and it actually is such like a Hutchpoint of the community Yeah, yeah, I think it and I think it kind of Always will be if that makes it like I don't think anybody grows out of it. No, you know David Cross still runs his hour there However frequently he runs a new hour. Yeah, you know like I I don't think anybody ever gets Too big to go back there. It's my favorite place to perform. Yeah, it's so fun. Yeah, I love running into buddies I love seeing shows there. Yeah, I'd love to film something there someday like I just think it's the best Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just like there are there rare like Perfect venue and I'm not you know The clientele upstairs pisses me off I don't I don't like the people that hang out there if I'm being honest. Yeah, but like just in terms of shape Yeah In terms of like room shape. Yeah, it's such a perfect room. Just like the perfect like low ceilings and I feel like You know Every time I go every time I do a show there that's like My own show just cuz I look at Park Slope the Neighborhood itself and I feel like these are not like yeah, but then I feel like when I when I put on my own show at Union Hall like somehow Somehow my people show up. Yeah, you know, it's just like I don't know It feels like a room that you can really like mold to whatever experience you want to have Yeah, you're not subject to the neighborhood as much. It feels like your people will come and fill that basement for you Yeah, right. Yeah, right. It's just it's like it's just it's great Did you you're from Atlanta? And you went to school you went to Emory. Yes, and you studied psychology When you were in school In Atlanta, you know, had you started comedy yet like when did you I don't think I know when you started I started comedy when I was Junior in college or it was this it was the summer before my junior year so yeah, yeah, I was like 20 And I think I only started that late because um I went to the other campus and Emory which is in Covington And so that there just wasn't a lot of places to do stand up. Yeah, I did I did the first time when I was 18 at laughing school Not true. I did it the first time when I was 12. Yeah Um, and then as an adult laughing school at 18 and then I didn't do it again for two years um So I was I was doing stand up the last two years. I was in college and moved to LA immediately after I graduated which was I won't say a bad decision because I gained a bunch of You know life experience from it did a lot of things that I wouldn't have done otherwise, but um It's not a city that I ever want to live in again in my life. Yeah, so yeah, you came out here. Yeah. Yeah That's interesting. Why did you what do you think it why okay? So Why did you Do stand up when you were 18 and then and then not do it for two years like were you just busy with school or what was the I was it was partly that I was busy with school and part of me thought that I just wanted to try it um Because I was the I was the guy that it was always like Like in school to just everyone's like oh you're so funny You should try to you should do stand up one. Yeah, and so it felt like the if it felt like a thing that like I should do it just to say I did it, you know And I didn't really think I was gonna do it again and then I Once I was like close enough to it. It felt like oh I wanted to do this if that was a child My book reports about About any Murphy like what are you talking about? Why would you ever think you didn't want to do this? But reports on any Murphy is iconic Yeah, you know, you know those like little those little like Biographies this thing you would get at those school library. Yeah Like I just got what I just checked one of those out and did a bit book report on the on that hell yeah I rocks have you met him. I have never met Eddie Murphy. Yeah, you know um I don't know why I said that like I expected to But like you would have met Eddie Merchard by now. Yeah eyes around He's he's not He's one of the most unaround people you're really right in black comedy. You're really right He's not really coming around now. I'm at George Wallace. You like George Wallace I do like George Wallace. He's a great guy. It's one of the greatest Twitters in the history of Twitter. Yeah Absolutely You really made that whole platform his own. Yeah genuinely one of the funniest people I've ever seen. Where'd you meet him? Um, I've met him a couple times in Atlanta last time I saw him was at Gotham um The one time I've performed there. Yeah I Weirdly enough Gotham got a new backdrop on the stage in like 2017 that I helped install because I was working uh because I do like set carpentry stuff Didn't perform there for like five years after that um And on the night that I was there George Wallace Jim Gaffigan and Jerry Seinfeld all walked in while I was on stage. All told me I had a good set which was cool and then uh I think Seinfeld was supposed to follow me and I Took great pleasure in being able to say hey man. Uh, I would love to stick around and watch you But I got another show bye Hey dude best of luck keep at it. I got another set. Yeah, I'm sure it would be a very regular set of But yeah, who were your uh like when you were I mean obviously Eddie Murphy Who who else were your like people when you were like uh growing up and coming into comedy um Richard prior was like my My absolute favorite I think um Which is very easy to say obviously, but like I I remember when I was in college. I had I had no Wi-Fi at my at my apartment and my At my dad's place whenever I would go to visit So I would just like whenever I would go to my mom's house how I download whatever movies I could and then take it back to Or just like save them onto my little my PlayStation and watch them whenever I'm and So the movies I had wore the prestige and then I had Richard prior Life on sunset I've seen both of those like 30 times. Yeah And actually the funniest line of the two is in the prestige There's the scene where he's You know David David Bowie is Nicholas Tesla and he's like they're they're testing this this uh cloning device uh that can clone not just Organic matter but uh but also inorganic matter and they make a bunch of copies of um Of Hugh Jackman's hat Uh to test this cloning machine that he's using to fake like a teleportation device. Yeah, and he goes out into this field With like dozens of the same hat just like have been transported have been cloned and transported out to this field and um and Hugh Jackman goes Well, which one is mine And then David Bowie goes they're all your hat mr. Angear That's the big one No Funny to me and I don't know why to this day. I don't know why it's so funny. Yeah, but I think it's just the word hat. Yeah But also the the fact that he had to say the word hat in the first put like you see all these hats Like in case you were thought we you forgot we were talking about a hat. They're all your hat That is very funny I don't know I I've done stand up for 13 years and in all that time it is taking me um So much energy to resist the fact that I'm ultimately a pun guy. I love puns. Yeah, so much. I love I love stupid word play And that I feel like falls into that category. Yeah, cup. I think is the funniest word of all time Cup is a good one. Cup is a great. It's the hard sounds. Yes. It's the C in the P of it all. Yeah, and yeah, and the yeah Yeah, yep. I love Richard prior was Favorite of mine growing up as well and I actually just for the first time read if you ever read um The Hilton All's essay on Richard prior that's in white girls. No, I have not it's really good I just read it for the first time and I Yeah, I had never read something so like I I've seen a lot of Richard prior growing up my dad showed me a lot of Richard prior I've always loved his work, but I hadn't ever read something so um Like Thoreau and kind of I don't know about a beautiful, but Thoreau and like care care full about him Um, it was really really really well done that whole book is great, but the essay on Richard prior. I think you might like Okay, yeah, it was great. Yeah, I'd love that if you if you send that to me. I'll send it to you Yeah, I'll make it happen. I'll just give you the book. I'll I'll bring it over to you. Oh, thank you Um, yeah, he has one of my One of my favorite bits ever in that special is um I just love the way he is a really great at like personifying Inanimate objects and like animals and things like that like his is bit or his wife is leaving him and uh she's like She's like getting in the car to drive away and he's like uh you not leaving me in this motherfucker you ain't any shoes to tire and the tire goes Oh But he has this great bit about how his uh, he had he had these two pet monkeys Uh, he got one originally and the monkey would just like try to fuck everybody and everything you know because the monkey was too horny So he got it a girl monkey so they could go out and fucking the trees or whatever when the when the monkey was lonely and um and then the monkeys died Um, I forget what happened. I think it was like a carbon monoxide like Poisoning thing and they both died and he was really sad about it and There's this dog that lived next door That saw him the dog saw him soaking in his yard and he just jumps over the fence and he goes hey, what's wrong Richard? He goes my monkeys died man You're just oh man you didn't mean them little monkeys. They used to be fucking up in the trees man I was gonna eat them too And And he's just like man, I'm sad man. I miss my monkeys You know Well Richard is gonna be okay, man. You know, you just gotta keep your chin up Richard, you know And he hops back over the fence and then uh, he turns back around as he's walking away and goes Now you know, I'ma be chasing you again tomorrow A brief make up But tomorrow it's back on Emers yourself in herbal essences new Moroccan organ oil elixir infused with pure organ oil just one drop Delivers up to 100 hours of hair nourishment with the indulgence scent of a Moroccan garden herbal essences new Moroccan organ oil elixir spark-quality hair repair without the price tag try it now How Seffers repaired a smoothness nourishment with the regimen use versus non-conditioning shampoo Idle money lies in your current account picking crumbs out of its belly button wondering should I eat them But when you start investing with monzo your money's always busy You've turns on regular investments invests your spare change and tops up your stocks and shares I say It even helps you make sense of risk and return Monzo the bank that gets your money moving You could get back less than your invest monzo current account required UK resident 18 plus decent fees apply Him in Prior in carlin are both so interesting to me because they like They both Came up doing like almost like bortched belt like clean yeah suit entire type of rooms Yeah, and then they both like basically had like they hit breaking points and we're like I can't fucking do this anymore Yeah, and both then evolved into like their actual act. Yeah, and I'm so fascinated by both of them Having that path Yeah, I think it must have been just the era, you know, they both came up in the in the 60s Prior kind of wanted to be Bill Cosby in a way Carlin just kind of coming up like Got successful really early, you know, and I I think about that a lot because In some ways I had a Similar trajectory not that I was like that successful but like I was on TV I was in writers rooms and stuff like that and I I do think about like The guy I could have been had I just like kept my head down and never thought about About anything and just like I get it I get it especially being especially being like that guy Like as Vietnam is starting and like just the world feels like it's Getting shaken at its core people are questioning like very fundamental things about like the about America As an institution um You know, I I think I would question More of the people that like just kind of stuck to what they were doing, you know Yes, like kept their head down and never Never said anything, you know That was all the advice too like that was the the advice that they both got that the big advice for I was what in this essay was talking about the big advice for Richard It was like if you want to be black and make it be because be yeah like just keep keep it cool Do do the sweaters do the like tame thing for the white audiences? Yeah, and for both of them way more radically Obviously for prior but like for both of them to choose to Talk about actual shit and to break out of that thing that like they probably could have made a pretty decent living for the rest of their lives Just doing that But they would have like It would have meant nothing it would have mattered not at all right their work would have died with them right And now they're gonna live on as legends forever because they Actually decided to pay attention and give a shit and I think that's so interesting in Applicable applicable to right now because I'm so Board and disappointed by so many people that are Just kind of like caching in and keeping it tame right now. Yeah, when I'm like the Everything is so bad and could be so you could be making such better jokes Yeah, and you're just like putting it right down the middle so that you don't lose any brand deals or whatever Yeah, and I'm fucking bored Yeah, and you know what I You know um, I've struggled to To like escape the feeling that it's in the nature of comedy As it is to do that just because comedy did Like it didn't have to be this way, but it was born out of capitalism It was it exists because vaudeville was too expensive. Yeah, you know Uh, and people would just say well, what if one guy stood on a stage with a microphone by himself Overhead It's literally that and everybody's like yeah, nobody wants to fucking see that yeah at first Um, and then you know People got better at it and it started to look like a thing that could be marketable But even now like the The comedy booms as they've happened. They've sort of like Happened as the economy of booms also. It's sort of I don't know just ebbs and flows with capitalism as it is and so it It does make sense in a way that people do that, but like It's just it is really disappointing to watch that like Uh, that people are content to sort of live unexamined and Not really think and I don't know I think part of it is like You know, I I got a lot of perspective because like I did get a little bit um Bed up at one point and I just I just started playing music again I started playing bass and I was just going to jams a lot pretty much all Last year and just gaining perspective about what Like preparation looks like as an artist realizing like So much of the preparation happens offstage all the serious stuff happens offstage um, and you I forget who said I think maybe it was Frank Zappa that said like You know the like he put out a lot of silly-ass music. Yeah, and it's like yeah the The there's a silly element to it, but like the music itself is deadly serious. Yeah, you know And I think because the nature of performing comedy it just feels like it's a fucking joke all the time It feels like you just know how to do it and nobody really wants to do the the difficult prep work required to like say something new You know nobody wants to actually nobody wants a question their worldview nobody wants to read a fucking book that challenges anything They believe in already yeah, and The easy way to do comedy is just play to what everybody fucking knows already, you know, and it's It's just not interesting to me. It's so fucking boring and You know, it just it I don't know. I think comics also sit in this in this space of like Not knowing No, not knowing if we're important or not Yeah, you know Because in many ways like you look at chappelle for example and like putting putting out four specials back to back Just like railing on trans people for no for no reason as you get this rise in transphobic sentiment in policy and on the ground just like person to person and like you wonder how much of an influence he has on it and I'm and When that was happening I I was sort of of the mind that like maybe he's influencing that like his work is pushing this narrative forward and now I'm just like It feels like it's a lot more pathetic to me that like y'all are really just you all are really just riding the wave of what's already happening. Yeah, you're not even like pushing You're not even pushing the negative part forward. You're just riding you're just coasting on On Bullshit that's already happening. You're truly just trying that hard to have a good set. It is Yeah, yeah, cuz we all know every comic knows when you're preparing a set and when you're thinking You're like yeah, I'd like to kill tonight. I'd like to do great on my buddy's show if I'm dropping in or I'd like to I'm doing a headlining set the pressures it pressures even harder or bigger more intense that you're like I know I'll write a joke sometimes that I'm like this is not very good, but it'll kill yeah You know and and I sometimes I say it and sometimes I don't but like That is the more pathetic thing actually is that when she pells doing shit like that He actually does no better and he actually is just that desperate to kill yeah and the sad part about it is He's smarter and better than that like he could kill without it. Yeah, but he's just riding the moment. Yeah, which sucks Yeah, and it's really sad to like to look at somebody that like I idolize as a kid. That was one of my one of my heroes, you know especially in terms of like this legacy of Of like Has been a prior to Murphy to Paul Mooney to him. Yeah, you know, it's like He's like one of the six guys That's really significant in terms of like in terms of black comedy and I don't know. It's just such a sad thing to watch go down Will he lost my train of thought you were about to fix comedy oh right I was like ready to I'm like ready to support and join in yeah Yeah Right right right right the daunting weight of intelligence. Yeah, yeah He's heartbreaking work of staggering genius is what we were about to do together Oh the what is that? He just did it. It was a really funny one actually It was like the pressure the immense pressure of the unbearable weight of massive talent. Yes. Yes. That's what we were in the unbearable weight of massive talent. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know I I feel like um I can't help but feel that Stand-up comedy is not really gonna change until we sort of Stand-up in art in general is not really gonna change until we Figure out how to remove the um The like yoke of capital from it um That makes sense like I don't know the um What I've been trying to do with my special is like And what I would like to be able to do going forward is like not Not not have not have it be a situation of like Here's this piece of art you pay for this um I'd much rather I'd much rather put it put myself in a situation where like hey, I gotta I gotta exist The whole time between these things So like if you got a couple dollars, you know a month just like throw it my way so that I can Not have to stress about rent till the next one. Yeah, you know and um Just not being a position where I'm like Where I have to take whatever the fuck comes my way Um between now and then and I can really like focus on The thing um I just I just I don't know I just feel like there has to be um There has to be some type of way to organize this thing economically where You know We're not blowing up on Twitter every six months because our heroes went to Saudi Arabia for For a weekend. Yeah, you know and like Or where like Everybody's funny until they get rich and then they're not yeah, you know um It just feels like it's it's sort of set up in this like pretty predictable boom and bust cycle um Just like capitalism where like Everybody gets a bag and then they stop being relatable and then they whine about how nobody thinks they're funny anymore And and then they get canceled and then we and like can't eat anymore Because we've attached them being a shitty person to their ability to generate revenue, you know um It just it just it feels like it's so it feels like such an obvious like um And obviously flawed model that we refuse to do anything about Yeah, I there's been there's interesting have interesting thing happening lately that's been causing me to think a lot about that is like I There's been this Uh Like sometimes the lefty like political accounts will clip this show and put it out and be like look the Podcasts are talking about this or whatever. Yeah, I might go nuts you or whatever if it helps the cause but They they recliped something recently about me talking about we turned down AI deals on this show and Rock on Set it and left it in the episode for a reason But then there's this interesting thing where people are like using it to attack anyone who's ever done an AI deal And I'm like I'm actually not so interested in that I don't want to be I don't know everyone's finances. I don't know everyone's situation. Yeah, I don't know There's so many things I don't know and when I say something like That on this show that I'm like, you know, we don't do deals with AI Or we don't do deals with gambling or whatever the situation is It's not because I think I'm existing ethically under capitalism I'm certainly not yeah, I don't none of us get to I still take money from bad places. Yeah And I'm still involved in the process But I just wish that more people who had the opportunity to think about these things wouldn't just like It's almost like you talk to people in this business and they're like well, it's $500,000. I couldn't say no And it's like Well, you could I think you could have because if you're making the kind of money I suspect that you're making I think you easily could have yeah, like I think actually I couldn't say no Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you could have said no Yeah, that's the thing and then yeah, and then it's I yeah, I got like There was a group of people online who were mad at me about that same thing that they were like That it's the it's the privilege person take to tell people to turn that down And I'm like well, no, I'm not telling you random twitter user to turn it down. I'm saying Why shouldn't I? If I know that my bills are paid without it. Yeah, I just I don't I there's this thing that happens I think where when we're having these conversations about like The the nexus of like being an artist and trying to be like a somewhat moral like principled person who exists in the world doing that stuff and also Existing under capitalism the way that we all are Trying to figure out how that all melds together I feel like this thing happens where it's like anything you say is supposed to be a prescription for everybody Yeah, and I'm like no, I'm just I just wish we would all ask a little bit more questions is really the only takeaway I have Yeah, yeah, I mean the fact is we all have to contend with capitalism in some way, you know Like I have I have the show jaded for him that I've been doing for a couple years that is like pretty explicitly um I don't like using the term leftist because people that you know you say that and people think you Democrat Like you love the Democrats That's low key like my shit those are your family. Those are my guys. Yeah, those are my guys looking Barry and Joe and now Yeah, um, shout out. They're back there. Yeah That can take cloth on Ha ha ha ha ha But yeah for lack of a better phrase like it's pretty explicit explicitly left to show but like uh I don't know like we all have our different jobs and different like um Different ways of like existing within capitalism like um, you know like sometimes a guy with a lot of money will show up and Like I don't know the term class trader exists for a reason like you got to just You know If they're gonna give you money no strings attached and you can like get that in writing take that money, you know like um I don't know. It's just it's like you have to You know you have to have you have to be ethical. We also have to have the wear with all to know like when it is and isn't gonna affect you Yeah, you know, yeah like I don't know if If you're not asking me to like go and like advertise some bullshit or like put this money towards it Yeah, I'm taking uh, give me the money no strings attached money. I'm interested. Yeah, if anybody out there has no strings attached money for me Give me a call Well me first Yeah, give us both the call give us both the call what uh What is so true to you? Oh What is so true I I think in this era A A lot of people may may may look at everything that's going on in the world and say humans are looking pretty stupid right now I think we are too smart for our own good I think our intelligence is getting in the way of so So much of what we could achieve just by feeling shit out. You know, I mean yeah, I think um I don't know. I think we we've existed for thousands of years and sort of like the last few hundred years of it We just we just decided hey all those like instincts and feelings that you have those Bullshit Science yeah science You know, I maybe a better way to say this is like this move a down lyrics have started to make a lot more sense to me I was a big fan in uh in middle school and I and I was just like And I was just that that guy and as I've gotten older I realize oh Oh, they they might have actually been on to something. Yeah, yeah, you might have actually been saying Except the drummer. He's a weirdo, but like you know as a as a collective in those types of answers There's always going to be one guy that you have to go except for him and his crimes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, the one guy that just doesn't understand the lyrics of his own His own group he was sort of just vibing He didn't even check in on the meanings or the themes. Yeah, yeah, I'm on percussion man. I don't know what you want from me I'm not writing this shit. I've got to be does it do anything else from me? Are we good? Yeah Yeah Yeah That's it. I love that. Yeah, it's a great so true. Yeah, it's so funny the so true The so true segment you're one of you're one of a handful of people who actually had a thought prepared which is lovely Oh, no one comes with one well to be fair. I did forget it of course and then and then it came back to me briefly and Did I stick the landing in my mind? Yeah sure didn't yeah, I think he did. Hey, thank you. What's uh what's making you excited right now? What are you looking forward to us making you happy? Um, you know what? It's really it's really this this special and just like hopefully getting it out very soon I feel like um um Just as far as like And I I want to stress that I don't I don't want to make it sound like I think these ideas are so important to the world or whatever But I feel like as far as like just like what I want to express as a comic. I feel like it's so um Just so crucial to what I want to do going forward and then just like um I don't know it kind of feels like the the first step in the rest of my Artistic life in a in a very Meaningful way for me. So I'm really excited about that. I love that. Yeah There's something I know about you that I wanted to ask you about oh no Yeah, yeah, it's bad No, you're a big if I'm not mistaken you're a big dragon ball Z fan. Yes. Okay. Yeah now. I don't know anything about this and it came up somewhat recently was it Ananias up and anaya What how did you get into dragon ball Z and what do I need to know and where can I start if I'm interested um, okay, I I got into dragon ball Z because every black man on the planet is into dragon ball Z So so that's kind of how that happens So maybe in the next life. Yeah Yeah, no worries genuinely one of the one of the very few stereotypes that I will fully embrace every every black man I don't think I've met a black man that doesn't have some relationship with dragon ball Z but um The the access point is Is Toonami which is like the anime block on cartoon network and From like 97 to mid-2000s mid to late 2000s um This is like what brought anime to the US um in the first place um Or like what brought it to the US in a way that wasn't like creepy and orientalists um in the way that a lot of things were a lot of networks sort of presented It's like what is this mysterious media from the east genuinely they build it like that it's cartoon We have those they just fuck with disney like what I don't know what you want yeah um But yeah, that's a that is a that is a good access point there is a um there are there have been a lot of um Like adaptations to like sort of slim it down over the years because the original dragon mozi was um Like notoriously Kind of beef that pat it out yeah, uh in a sense um so if you watch dragon mozi kai that's like the the sort of Reanimated one with it or not reanimated, but they cut out all the filler and all this stuff and like kind of Fixed up the dubs and all that do you how do you feel about that? Do you like the the cut down ones or I think there's a very Something very important to the experience of like really sitting through five episodes of somebody charging up Yeah, I think that's a really important part of it. Yeah, but I think if you just want to know what people are talking about watch dragon mozi kai. Yeah um there's also um There's also dragon mo dima is like the new the newest iteration that's like it's kind of just trying to get kids into it Because it's been around for 40 years and That you know they just need an entry point to these characters Um, I don't know if I would recommend that for an adult I also don't know if I would recommend dragon ball in general for an adult. Yeah, but again if you if you want If you want to be involved in the discourse keep watch just come up now in a number of ways that I'm like Maybe I need to tap in and I'm feeling like there's a big blind spot Well in what in what ways is it come up? Well people keep telling me they fucking love it and I'm like I gotta fucking get involved I can't have this thing that a bunch of people I know love and I don't know anything about it What right do you have plans to go on to Peru anytime soon? I could Okay There's nothing on the calendar right now, but I could go to Peru. Should I? I mean, I'm just I would just check you because If you're feeling that in the US It's gonna feel way worse in Latin America Is just Latin American anime love is just on a different level so I need to before I go to Peru. Yes, I need to get involved in dragon ballsy Yes, okay Yeah, I think I would recommend dragon ball Z Kai If you really if you if you really dedicated The original dragon ball is a little bit shorter. Yeah And it's it's based on uh journey to the west which is like a Chinese um novel Really old Chinese novel So there's like a there's there's like a another entry point that way just to get just to understand like the the characters and such and such And dragon ballsy itself is it's just like they kind of just stole Superman. Yeah, the story of Superman Yeah, yeah, hell yeah, yeah, I feel like you read are you a reader? I am I am a reader what okay what are okay? This might be too big of a question and feel free if you hate this to tell me to shut up But I am I'm on a big journey right now to give people to tell me like the best books they've ever read Are there like three books that you're like you would recommend them to anyone or to me specifically? That you're like you must read these okay. What is it? What are your goals in reading fantastic question? I there is a girl who Works at the bookstore I There's a girl works the bookstore that I go to a lot that's trying to get me more into fiction because I'm historically very like nonfiction essays That's where I live and love yeah, I'm trying to get a little more into fiction I do love nonfiction if you've got some good nonfiction wrecks. I want them But if you have a fiction that you think a nonfiction guy like me would love I'm interested. Okay. I also have that problem of Reading way too much nonfiction nice, and I'm also trying to um I've been trying to just like start with um Classics in a sense, but you're just like stuff that just kind of has a hold on like some um pretty broad group of people I guess um So I'm I started Lord of the Rings recently um I really like Ursula Laguin Okay, who is um Who's a science fiction writer um the but the first book I read of hers was um was the dispossessed which is a really great book about a There's two there's two planets that are sort of in each other's orbit I don't remember which if one of if one is like a moon of the other or not, but As far as the story it doesn't matter. Yeah, but one is sort of like a capitalist like planet like ours, and then the other one is like um is basically anarchist and The there is a scientist from this anarchist planet who invents uh this thing called the Ansible which is um a device that basically um Like cuts the the time for like interplanetary communication to like milliseconds and she has this whole Universe of books that are sort of dealing with the implications of that Um, I'm interested in that. It's her name's come up a bunch in my journey. Yeah, by the way She's uh, she's great. She's sort of like um If you have any like anarchist friends or if you're familiar with the term social ecology a lot of the people that sit in those uh worlds bring her up a lot Yeah Because she's she's like she's an artist of like What we're talking about somebody who's just sort of like very principled and like um Just like really great and expressive and knowledgeable speculative fiction writer nice um And then as far as nonfiction uh the dawn of everything yeah, I'm like three fours of the way through it right now. Yeah, that's a great book Fuck its dance. Yeah, it's it's a hefty. Yeah, I'm at school when I'm reading it. Yeah It's one of it's one of those and I like it But well since you've heard of it is it is also the spiritual successor to a arguably dancer and uh arguably definitely dancer book called uh ecology of freedom ecology of freedom. Yes, this one I have not heard of this is this one is by Murray Bookchin who's like an old New York anarchist who actually inspired um um the uh leader of the Kurdish Of a Kurdish militia in like the border of Iraq Syria and Iran To basically drop his whole nationalist like ethnic nationalist program and um And develop a whole theory of like called democratic confederalism in the Middle East Um, and they just like changed up their whole after being at war with the Turkish government for like 30 years changed up their whole program Is it you know what? New thing. Yeah, yeah, basically Fuck it new thing new thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Ursula Uh, Don of everything slash ecology of freedom. Yes. Okay. Is there anything else I have to tap in on um Hmm Because I'm open there. They're they're they're absolutely is You're like no Books man. That was Those are the ones The ones you got them um, I guess um I am in I'm in the middle of reading a book by uh That guy who was inspired by Murray Bookchin was Abdullah Ergion Uh, his book is called um Beyond state power and violence Um also really good really good book. It's just like um It sort of details the the This Shunk sure of like sort of the start of Like written history um starting with like um Epic of Gilgamesh and all this stuff like these just mythological ethics that talk about the The histories of in terms of like these heroic men and basically frames those is like the beginning of a Break from early like Women centered societies that were sort of centered around that's some That's good. That's good. What a piece of Turn it off. What a piece of shit turn it off Michelle will you grab them for me and give us a second. Thank you um Yeah, basically frames like the being oh um all these epics and like the beginning of monotheistic religion as a break from um Early like women centered societies that were centered around like um communal living and like and this is what I mean when I say like uh When I say We've gotten too smart for our own good and we're like destroying our own instincts with our intelligence. Yeah, he talks about sort of um the the replacing of um Of like our communal instincts with like The need for like concrete science and things like that um and how it's sort of Basically locked us in like this eternal dialectical conflict with the state being like Accumulative like power-based hierarchical society and this communal based society that we broke from like five thousand years ago. Yeah um Also basically what dot-em for everything is about and what ecology freedom is about so it was reminding me of yeah Yeah, but I have one more segment for you. Okay, and I am gonna tap it on these books. Yes. Okay, true false segment I'm gonna read you 15 statements You're gonna tell me as quickly as you can if you think what I just said was true or false Okay, if you get ten or more correct, we're gonna give you 50 us dollars. This is a big high-money game Oh my god. Uh, you ready? Yes water boils at 117 degrees Fahrenheit false false two hundred twelve There are no AMC movie theaters in Brooklyn uh true true Sudan has most pyramids of any country most pyramids Yeah, that's true. That is true. 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Oh Oh That's a question for my friend Mama do uh False false they're discontinued a group of rhinos is called a smash True false a crash. There's only one Shake Shack in Alaska True false there are none. How do you do 11 damn those are good showing dude. That was a good showing Uh Thank you so much for doing it. We love you. We love to have you back anytime. We tell people where they can find you I am my Instagram at Yadoye underscore Pretty much everywhere at Yadoye underscore twitter The threads all this stuff specials gonna be on YouTube My social security number is Thanks so much for doing it dude. Thank you for having me. It was a delight. Yeah That was a headgun podcast