Nightcap Hour 1: Wemby and Spurs KNOCK DOWN the Pistons + LeBron and Jaylen Brown Have a RESPECTFUL RELATIONSHIP + KD Wants to PLAY in 2028 OLYMPICS

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Wimby was everywhere tonight, 21 points, 17 rebounds, 6 blocks. He was sensational because he forced the Pistons to shoot 38% from the floor, 19% from the three. Stephon Castle had 16 points and 11 assists, all the while holding Cade Cunningham to 5 of 26 shooting. The Spurs have started their annual rodeo road trip 5-0 for the first time since 2012. And now they are 41-16. 114-103 over the Pistons. Joe, you watched this ball game and you saw the – this is a very young San Antonio team, but they play way, way beyond their years. They look good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they look real good because, you know, they kind of top heavy, but they got some great complementary pieces. And you look at Vassal and Champagny, those guys pretty much won the game. I mean, Vassal started off the game, he was cooking with grease. You hear me? He was hot as fish grease. I think because Wimby, Fox, and even little Dylan Brooks, I mean, not Dylan Brooks, Dylan Harper, those guys put so much pressure, you know, on the defense, bro. and Wimby anchors the defense, Anke Ocho. Even if he don't block your shot, he's going to alter it. You know his tall ass back there. Oh, man. But they got so many weapons. They got so many guys who can beat you. You don't know on a night-to-night basis who's going to explode for 25, 30 points because it may be somebody who you ain't really game playing for. And for Detroit, K can't go five for 26. You know, he... Detroit depends on him so much and this is... you know, part of the MVP talk that we've been talking about. He can't afford to have off nights like this, Ocho, and expect for the Pistons to pick him up and they win. It's just not possible. So the good thing about all this, the Pistons won't have to see them unless they make it to the finals. But because – Thank God. You're right, Joe. You look at Tobias Harris, 1 of 6. Duncan Robinson, 5 of 15. 3 of 11 from 3. Cade Cunningham was 5 of 26, 2 of 9 from 3. Ronald Holland came in. He hit his first three shots and then put like to go 2 of 10 for the rest of the game, 1 of 6 from 3. Javante Gray, 0 of 5. Dennis Jenkins, 3 of 10. And you look at, like I said, Champagny and Wimby and Darren Fox, Vassal. Remember, guys, they got rid of Soshan because they couldn't get him any minutes. Right. Yeah. They had to let him go. Calvin is doing what he does. They moved Harrison Barnes was once in the starting lineup. Now he's coming off the bench. Kelton Johnson comes off the bench. Dylan Harper, who's what, a top three pick, comes off the bench. Yeah. So this team is loaded. And like you said, Joe, on a given night, you really don't know who can light you up. You know Wembe can go get your 30-20. You know Stephon Castle, he had a 30-point triple-double a couple of nights ago. Champigny but this is a good team they play defense, they play hard because they can funnel everything to Wemby you know Wemby back there he might not block it but he damn sure will alter it and another thing Ocho it ain't but a handful of teams in the NBA who extend their pressure to pick up defensively San Antonio is one Detroit can do it OKC Austin does it too and Indiana. And so this was a good defensive game. I thought it was physical. I thought Duran played great against Wimby, Ocho. He was physical with him early, took his legs from him a little bit, you know, because I thought Wimby kind of got off to such a slow start, but I thought Duran, energy, effort, and just his physicality alone is what kept him in the game, but they got to have K play a lot better than this. Yeah, I think, obviously I watched game, Uncle Joe, and obviously Wimby Vassal look very good. Castle, Wimby Yama's going to do what he does, but Detroit. Detroit is a good team, right? They play very well on both ends of the court. But K Cunningham, based on the comments he just made a few days ago, not too long ago, about him being the best. American player? I mean, yeah, most definitely. So games like tonight, it has to show up when you're playing against the cream of the crop when it comes to teams like the Spurs. So, I mean, obviously, you won't always have games like this, but games like this where we need you to show up and be at your best, this is the time to show out. Yeah, I agree. I agree with you, Joe. Yeah, I agree with you, Joe. I don't know if they have another guy that I can consistently if K get held down, who can I really count on to go give me that production? Everybody else, I mean, you look at OKC, if you shut off Shea, you got J-Dub, you got Chet. So you got other options. Okay, you say I want to shut down Jokic, now you got to deal with Jamal Murray. Other teams have guys that, okay, let's just say take the Rockets. Now Shingun hadn't been playing well of late, but you know he's a walking 2020 guy. If you say I'm going to take KD away, Shingun can punish you. So I'm looking at Detroit, I'm not really counting on Tobias Harry because I've seen enough of him. I saw him in Philly. And when When Joel Embiid couldn't get it going, I just don't have a whole lot of faith in Tobias. He's going to have to step up and give him something. He's a veteran president on the team. He's been there. He's played on some pretty good playoff teams. I think when the postseason comes, he's going to have to win them a game or two in a series in order for them to advance because you put so much on K. K is going to have to play like D-Wade played in when was that? In the final series? He's like, get the win for Dallas. He have his 30 photo. He have his 30 photo. Ocho, in order for the Pistons to win, that's what K is going to have to do. He's going to have to take over. He's going to have to have an out-of-body experience to the point to where he's consistently carrying his team night in and night out. I think that's going to be the hardest part about them advancing in the postseason because other teams are going to gear up to stop him. Yes. And, you know, he'll take some difficult shots. He's not the most efficient. We saw the other night, Joe, where he got up, what? He got up 34 shots against the Knicks. Now, he won 42, what, 42, 13, and 8. Yeah. And so when you're inefficient and you win, people tend to look past it. Right. But when you go 5 of 26 and you lose, they're like, well, damn. Well, he's kind of – this is kind of his M.O. Yeah. He's not the most efficient. And I get it. I get it. He's going to take some difficult shots. You ask him to do a lot because he's an outstanding defender. but I'm going to go back to Tobias Harris. The best thing that ever happened to Tobias Harris is that he got a chance to play with Ben Simmons because Ben Simmons caught all the flack while Tobias was on a max contract and wasn't getting criticized at all because everything is like Joel Embiid or Ben Simmons. And Tobias Harris flew up out of the radar. You thought he was a B-52. He was flying up out of the radar because he went undetected. And then you looked up and he was like, hold on, how Tobias only had six points? Right, right. And we're killing Joel Embiid. We're killing Ben Simmons. But he's a max player too. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I agree. He got to take some blame for that. But I think things are a little different for him. I think he knows. He should know anyway. In order for them to even have a chance, Ochoa, to make it to the finals, he got to give them a consistent production night in and night out. It's just not possible. They're not offensively heavily structured to put up 130, 140 points a night. No. So they're not constructed like that. So I expect Cade, obviously, to play a lot better, and I expect him to get a little help from these other guys. I think Duren has been playing awesome. He was. I mean, you know, he's an all-star. He played really good in the all-star game. He was on the Stars that ended up beating the Stripes, and they won the all-star. So I'm counting on Duren to give me a double-double. I'm at least counting on him to give me somewhere between 16 and 20 and somewhere between 10 and 15 rebounds. I'm pilsing that in, Ochoa. Oh, yeah. I ain't got no wide out, and I ain't got no eraser. So it's an ink. It's a sharpie. It ain't going nowhere. So I got that down. So JB goes to him and says, son, this is what I expect of you. 16 to 20, 10 to 15. K, I need you to be an all-NBA player. I need you to be. You say you're the best American player. You got to show me. You say in the MVP discussion. You got to show me. You got to. and you got to take it to another level because there's levels to this. If you really look at the best NBA players, look at their playoff averages compared to their regular season average. I agree. They elevate. Yeah, got to. You go look at Jordan. You go look at Kobe. You look at LeBron. Yeah. You look at Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray is out of this galaxy. Yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. But that's because that's when you make your name. that's when you grow that become that iconic and grow that legacy is what you do come postseason right and uh if they're gonna if they're gonna be what they think they can be yeah in Detroit because who's in there if you really think about who's in their way the Knicks maybe the Celtics yeah yeah I mean Orlando's kind of up and down Toronto is kind of hit or miss you know I don't know what B I'm gonna get on a consistent basis Scotty Barnes on his consistent basis. Right. So right now if you make me pick, I say probably the Knicks Celtics. But Detroit's gonna have to they're gonna have to play a little bit. I mean you can't shoot 38% and 19% from the three and expect to beat an upper echelon team. Yeah nah. I think Cade he'll take blame for this. You know just being a leader on Kaocho you know it's just some games you gotta raise your hand be like hey my bad tonight. Yeah. Because. Oh we forgot about the Cavs. The Cavs are going to have something to say about it, too. Yeah, yeah. With Beard, Donovan. Yeah. Yeah. Those two big twin towers, Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. So they're going to have a little something to say. And they got, you know, Merrill can shoot the ball from three. He can get hot, and he can shoot you out the building in a hurry. Yeah. They had just came off like a seven-game win streak. They lost the other night, but they had been playing pretty good ball. But back to Kay, Unk, and Ocho. Yeah. I'm not necessarily too worried about his inefficiencies. I need him to be aggressive. He got to be aggressive. You remember how AI was when he was playing for Philly? He got to look to score the ball. He has to take volume shots because everything is going to be catered to stop him. And he's got to, you know, this is what superstars do, man. They show up when time is needed. He got to be ultra aggressive. But here's the thing. Joe if he say like if it can be somewhere between like 44 and 47 percent he started getting down to that 41 40 39 38 yeah they got no chance yeah no no no they got no chance because a lot of those shots they gonna to get runouts Yeah yeah So that why you got to be careful because you know some of those shots they're going to be air balls, they're going to throw the long pass, they're going to throw a touchdown pass, or it's going to hit the back iron, and then next thing you know, two dribbles and a layup at the other end. Right. So that's my only concern. As long as he's not in the low 40s, dip down to the 30s, I think they have an excellent chance of winning. I agree. I think what hurt him tonight, he got off to a bad start. Bad start. You got to start an eight, one for nine to start the game. Hey, when you get off to a start like that, in order to get back to 50%, boy, you got to start cooking. You got to make your next eight shots. Yep. You make your next eight shots, now you at 50%. Yes, sir, you got to start cooking. That's one of the worst feelings, because you try to get it all back at once, Uncle Ocho, but you don't have to take your time and just let it come to you, bro. It's just a part of the game. Because the great player, what you say, Joe? Shoot or shoot. Yeah, shoot or shoot. And you believe the next one's going in. There you go. Damn, man, somebody taking the lead off the basket. The hell? Boom, boom. And you get good looks through that thing. I mean, he had one three, it was all the way down and just came out. Oh, man. I was like, oh, man. I know that feeling too, boy. That's an ugly feeling. It's tough, it's a tough one. Ocho, that's like us, you know, you struggle a couple. You know, you drop one or two early. Yeah. Then you fight the ball. It beat you up. Man, I done caught the ball like six times. That's only one catch. Yeah. You know, you bobbing, I'm like, ooh, all over here. Yeah. I know exactly what it feels like all so well. Yeah. All so well. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. Join me, Lily Herman, as we dive into the underexplored pockets of F1, including the astrology of the current grid. Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is also a Capricorn Sun, Cancer Moon. The story of the sport's most consequential driver's strike. 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It's hope season. Yeah, absolutely. It's hope season. We'll tell you what's real, what's noise and what it means for your favorite team. Smart analysis, real conversations every week. I don't know about the smart, but definitely analysis. Listen to 40s and free agents on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. LeBron James spoke about his relationship with Jalen Brown. Let's take a listen. This was after yesterday's game, guys. Uh-oh. I think he just used the motivation of a lot of people just saying that they're going to have a down year because of, you know, obviously JT being out, you know, them losing Drew, Al, you know, Leeds, Prazingis Leeds, their whole championship team pretty much is kind of revamped. And he uses that motivation to keep them afloat. They're playing great basketball. And it's because of him and the rest of those guys, he's taking that next step. You know, our relationship has been, you know, pretty respectful. You know, besides the shit he said about Bronny at Summer League, but other than that, you know, we've been all right, you know. You guys know what to get past that? you know, we'll be alright. We'll be alright. Yeah, we'll be alright. I think he went on social media and said something about it. It's all good, but Ronnie got a long way to go, but that's another story. But the kid, I mean, listen, JB is doing shit. He's playing great basketball, man. And you can't even, you can't fight his, I don't want, you know, this whole MVP thing I don't understand why his name is not getting talked about some as well. Like, nobody gave them a shot to start the season. And he's after, what, 30? Yeah, just under 30. Yeah, it's a popularity contest sometimes. It is dope. That's dope. That's how you answer a question as a true professional, despite some of the things that might have been said, you know, about your son. Hey, our relationship is respectful. I mean, most of the time it's hard to gauge how someone truly feels, especially when cameras are in front of them, because anything LeBron says, you know, it catches fire. So he has to be careful. and he's very media savvy in the way he answers questions. So based on what we just saw and what we just heard, you would think it was no problems at all, despite some of the things that JB might have said. Hell, when it comes to basketball, yes, he's playing well. What is he supposed to say? He's playing bad because he's not. Even with JT out, he's the reason why the Celtics are doing as well as they're doing with the supporting cast that JB has. Now, even with the stuff he said about my son, that's a whole different question that he's not going to answer truthfully on camera. Well, I mean, he kind of got into it. But this is what I don't understand. Joe, help me understand. Joe, you got kids. Ocho, you got kids. I got kids. Yeah. Let's just say you got your son. He a mess up. If a co-worker says something about it, you're going to feel some type of weight. Absolutely. I don't know why people can't get that through their head. Right. At the end of the day, whether or not LeBron James is good enough to be in the NBA, that's still his son. So imagine a lot of you guys out there got F up for sons and daughters. when somebody says something about them you feel some type of way yes or no it's a simple yes or simple no because I know I would feel some type of way if somebody said something about my kid that's still his kid I don't know why people it's true it could be true but if somebody says something about your kid are you going to be okay with that or you going to be saying hey they told the truth your son go to jail your son get popped, your daughter get pregnant as a teenager. You okay if a co-worker, someone you know, says something about your child. Are you going to be okay? No. But because it's LeBron James, y'all like, oh, he blowed it out of proportion. At the end of the day, the only condition, unconditional love, is a parent and a child. Because you love your child regardless. It doesn't come. Well, in a relationship, well, as long as you take care of me as long as you don't cheat on me as long as you don't believe and i get i get it but a parent and a child is a different type of relationship than a relationship with someone that you start outside and i don't know why people can't people can't understand that and also joe before you go uh and i need people to also understand now even though it is your child once you get and you reach that pinnacle of being an nba player sometimes even your peers were criticized, not just your father, but hell, your son can get it too. It gets to that point to where now you're fair game because now you're at the upper echelon of the childhood dream, the NBA. So therefore, the criticizing is going to come not just from fans, hell, not just from media, but from your peers as well. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Talk to me. How old can your kids be before someone can criticize them and you be cool with it? Never that, You know that. No, no, no. Wait, listen. No, that's not what I was saying. I was saying understand what comes with the territory. Once you have that of said being in the NBA, that's all. I don't. I don't. Joe, even though it comes with the territory and we know. Yeah. It's the same thing. It's the same. And people like, well, you said this about Russ. I've never played the music about Russ. I talked about Russ, about the ill-advised shots, the costly turnover, the matador defense and people try to compare me saying russ was not playing good basketball russ isn't the same player that he once was as the guy that sent russ wife and talked about russ in the same breath how is that the same yeah it's not all i'm saying is is that look yes lebron knows that there's some criticism that's going to come they criticize lebron and he just got more points than anybody in the history of the game he's about to play the most games in the history of the game. He has the fifth most assists. Nobody that's in the top 10, nobody's in the top 20 comes close to LeBron as far as assists. He understands that, but at the end of the day there's still a place that's my child, and I'm going to protect my child. It's just, it is what it is, and it's us that somehow, Ocho, I thought that's what we do. See, we're the only ones that feel bad about helping when our child get ahead in life. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do it all the time. Where Jerry Jones kids work at Joe? Oh Joe? With the Cowboys. With the Cowboys. What? You mean to tell me your dad can help you get ahead? How many times have we seen that they help their kids get ahead? That we're supposed to feel bad if we help our kids get ahead. Right, right, right. Damn it. If my kids wanted to work in media, you best believe they got a job. If somebody might not have one, But they going to have one. Hey, go ahead, Joe. Hey, listen, I think it goes back, you know, to the last time I was on here with y'all. Heavy is a head that wears a crown, fellas. Absolutely. This is part, hey, look, this comes with the territory. Uncle, I know what you're saying. Yep, that's my child. And I'm going to defend him every chance I get. You say something about him? Because we're in a funny stage to where in hoops, we've never seen this combination before. We've never seen a father-son duo, teammates. Actually cross over. Yeah, yeah. So we've never. And they're on the same team. Hello. So look, now we having to deal with this in real time. And obviously, you know, Bronny going to have people shooting at him. It's just what it is. He's LeBron's son. He's going to get everybody's A game. Every time he touched the floor, he got a target on his back. Yes. That's what it is. And he has to be aware of that. And I just think, man, it's unfortunate. But I love the fact that LeBron gave Jalen Brown his props. His flowers. Yeah. You know what I mean? Two things can be true. I didn't approve of what he said, but he's the MVP candidate. He played his ass off. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because they came into LA last night and put on the show. And beat the brakes off him. You hear me? Yeah. Peyton Pritchett. Hey, Ocho, you still think you can take Peyton Pritchett? Man, Ocho. Huh? Hey, boy. Hey, young boy. Nice, huh? You hear me? Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, boy. Mr. Pritchett. Nice, ain't he? Yeah. Hey, he gets you that money on Ocho. Yeah. And that's the thing. You look at him. Hey, you look at him, and he'll go to a ruck apart and drop 30 or 40 on somebody here. Because they looking at him like, oh, man, that little white dude ain't about to do nothing. And you look up next day, you know, his team got 140, and he got 50 of them. Man, look, that boy, what he had, 30-something left off the bench. He came in getting straight to it. Austin got, hey, look, I know we didn't gave him they props, but Boston's going to be in the thick of it, man. They've been looking good as of late. They've been looking good. I'll give you another example. The same thing what people say about Magic. I had Magic on the show. I asked him, and I was like, Magic, when did you know that your son, that EJ wasn't going to be a basketball player? He wasn't going to play football? He's like, Sharp, you know, there were signs. We saw things. He didn't want to play with trucks. He didn't want to do things. And people want Magic to disown his son because he chose a life that's different than what we say, a heterosexual man. Yeah, hell nah, hell nah. Magic say, hey, Magic say I believe in God too, but that's my son. Absolutely, absolutely. Whatever, hey, if one of my kids chose to live a different lifestyle, guess what? I take that up with God when I get up there with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ain't got nothing to do with y'all down here. Right. Whatever God got in store for me and my child, I take it up with him once I get up there. Yeah, most definitely. I mean, obviously, you can't. That's one thing, regardless of what they choose to be. It might be against your will. It might be against what you, maybe something you didn't want, Joe. Yeah. Boy, I ain't disowning nothing. Now, whatever you decide to do, now, what you're not going to do, if you're going to be whatever it is, whatever you identify as, you better be the best at it. Don't you embarrass me. Don't you half-ass it. Now, if you're going to be gay, you better be the best of gay out there. Be it. Be it. Whatever you gonna do, you better be the best at it. Don't embarrass me. Listen, listen. Hey, Joe, I don't care what you're trying to do, but you better be one of the best at it. Because how many times, guys, have we heard, boy, that child can't do nothing wrong in his mom or dad's eyes. Boy, that child is terrible, but mom and dad can't see no fault in their own child. Right. We've all been there. I'm like, damn. my kid really that bad? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They that bad. But look, I agree with you, Ocho, Joe. It comes along with the territory. What comes along with the territory that when you play a professional sport, there's going to come criticism. You see it from peers, be it from the media, whatever the case may be. It doesn't make it any easier because a lot of times, Joe, you said something very interesting. You said, hey, they're going to go at him. Well, if I can't get your dad, I'm going to tell your kid ass up. Yeah. Because remember I told you, Ocho, the dude couldn't beat my brother, so he tried to get you. Yeah. Yeah. So, hey, they could never do anything with LeBron, so they go at Bronny. Absolutely. That's just the way it is. I had it in high school when playing sports. Oh, you started a little brother? Okay. Yeah, I'm his little brother, but don't sleep now. Yeah. I'm going to light y'all ass up too. Up too. But look, I think, you know what? You know, sometimes closeness brings resentment. You see, Jordan didn't get this kind of resentment right because there wasn't nobody close to him. Kobe didn't get this kind of vitriol because there wasn't nobody close to him. And one of the things that people say about LeBron is that what? He wants to be friendly. He wants to be light. Hey, I just, you know, is the fact that you just said that jordan wasn't friendly huh hell no nah kobe wasn't friendly well i know kobe wasn't friendly and kobe became friendly after he retired yeah they ain't care nothing about having no friends okay no and jordan still jordan still ain't got a whole lot of friends yeah that's with like oak that's really the only dude that oh uh jordan still rock with man listen jordan over there having a ball over that nascar he said that why they wouldn have He went back to back race in Daytona and in Hampton He said I tired of basketball I going to NASCAR It is But no no no no no Jordan, no, no, no, no. Jordan didn't give a D. Kobe didn't care about nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on. Wait a minute. I'm confused. Let's separate the two now. I'm talking about on the court. I know they don't care nothing about that. I'm talking about off the court either. Damn, for real? Yeah. Some shards, boy. Hey, Joe, I mean, honestly, my personality, it wouldn't allow me to live like that. On the field, yes. Even on the field, I was fun, entertaining, but I'm going to kill you. Like, my mentality was, I'm going at your heart as a player, but I can't have that same mentality off. Like, I got to talk, have fun, hang out, but what y'all doing? You want to go smoke? You know, whatever it may be, but the fact that they were really like that outside of basketball. They had a singular focus. Yeah, they couldn't. All the time. They couldn't turn it off. They couldn't turn it off. Couldn't turn it off. It doesn't matter. Kill. Look, if you're playing cards, whatever you're playing, they want to kill you in an Ocho. That's just how it is. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan bet everything. He's not going to do anything for fun. Ain't nothing for fun. Ain't no shooting no pool for fun. It ain't no playing no cards for fun. It ain't playing no golf for fun. It ain't nothing. He don't do anything for fun. Nothing. He want to see how you work under pressure. Yeah. Everybody don't work good under pressure, Uncle Nocho. It busts pipes, but he can make diamonds as well. Everybody don't work well under pressure. And it's even worse with the money in your pocket. See, we ain't got the money in the playoffs, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? But just imagine, just imagine you had to put the money that you received in the playoffs, you had to put it up. And then if you got it, if you won, they doubled it. They gave it back to you. So Jordan's going to put a, let's bet $50,000 on his hand. Huh? $50 what? $50,000 on a hand? Yeah. Yeah, bye. That's the only hand you're going to get. Bye. Right. Jamar Crawford told a story. Dude had money, wanted to bet Jordan 100,000. Let's flip for it. Jordan say, I ain't got a whole lot of time, let's flip for it. You call it. And he said, nah, I'm good. You okay? Jordan say, hey, I ain't got a whole lot of time. I'm in a bit of a hurry. Go ahead, call it, flip for it. Hey, hey, dude love to gamble, man. He love to gamble. Anything that's competitive. Yes, yes. And I think that's how him and Oak bonded, because Oak love to gamble. Man, they say- cards. They love playing Bure. They love playing Guts. I mean, Jordan go to the... They love that. I ain't got it, Ocho. Hey, listen. I'm telling you. Boy, you make mistakes, man. Yeah. Because they ain't no chips. They got real cash stacked up there. Yeah. See, like when you got chips, Ocho, you don't look at... You don't see it. Sometimes you don't see it as money. Right. But when you actually got money, you got 50, 100, 200,000, a quarter of a million on that table? Oh, we. Man stop It'll look different I can't even fathom I can visualize and what y'all saying But I can't fathom sitting at a table With 20-50,000 in chips 100,000, 50,000 in chips I mean Where they do that at I mean I understand people Do it because they have Their vices but man Hey Joe When I go to Vegas $100 is my limit maybe $200 on the blackjack table $25 table Joe that's as far as I'm going you ain't winning nothing with that I like the small win Joe to go in there with $100 and leave with $400 that's a win to me Joe I know it ain't gonna move the needle but just the fact that I don't gamble but I will try it every blue moon I only go to Vegas maybe once twice a year Joe that ain't bad that's not an addiction I call that circumstance I just happened to be there. Right. You don't gamble on in Vegas? No. I hadn't actually been to a table in probably sat at a table probably in 20 years. Damn. No, no. I come to Vegas now. I'm going to get a little gambling in. If I lose $1,000, I'm done. That's my limit. I get a joke. OK, Joe. What you playing? Quarter slots? No, I'm playing. I'm playing. I'm shooting craps. I might play a little blackjack. but I ain't going too crazy. Excuse me, yeah, you see you tried to, you look, you the same kind of gamble. You wanna load up on the six and eight. You gonna try to... All right, but I ain't playing, Ocho. But hold up, while y'all playing though, I was staying at the wind one night and I won 27,000 with this little, playing blackjack. Ooh, Joe! 27,000? Shooting dice. Three card poker? Pog out? I was shooting dice on the crap table. Oh, you, okay, you were on the crap table. I was on the dice, no lie, I was on the dice probably about 35, 40 minutes. Yeah. When you got hot like that, Joe? Man, I had built it up until I had about 400, 500 on almost every point. And I just kept rolling. So listen, hold on though. When I won, I had initially won $29,000. So once I won that, I started taking all my money off the board. I was like, you know what? I know I ain't going to be this hot too long. When I fall off, when I fall off, I'm walking out the door. Right. Took my money, I was gone. Yeah. The thing is, you bet it the hard way. Because it gives you odds, what, 8-1, 10-1 odds on 6-8? Yeah. So you get the hard 8 when you roll 4-4. You get a hard 6-3-3. You get 10, you know, a 5-5. Yes, sir. You bar it. 5-9. Hey, look, you just want to roll numbers. You just want to stay on the dice. That's all you want to do, just roll the numbers. Just roll the numbers. Oh, man. What? Kill them, Ocho. Hey, I bet if me and Burns go to the table, we betting somebody crap out. Bro, what are we doing here? I'm like, bro, this ain't a team sport. We not team. I bet you crap. You did. Now pass the dice. Hey, Ocho. Ocho, y'all don't play no poker or nothing? I play some hoes. I used to play poker. I played in the World Series of poker one time. Did you really? I did. Yeah, Joe, you'd be mad at me, Joe. You can't play no poker? Joe, I don't even understand the game, bro. Oh, man. Joe, I got to rely on the people sitting next to me when I'm playing blackjack and rely on the dealer if I don't have nobody there. You go to the wrong casino, they don't let you talk. You can't do that. You go to the wrong casino, they won't let you talk. You can't talk. Oh, for real? The only casino I go to is Vegas. The Hard Rock right here down the street for me. I'm saying there are a lot of casinos. You got the Wynn, you got R, you got Hard Rock, you got the Vinicius. Yeah, I don't know nothing about them. You got the palms. Hey, Joe, and that's a good thing too for me, Joe, is the fact that I don't understand all the games that are in the casino. Right. So there's really no interest in me wanting to play a let alone gamble. So not only am I cheap as hell, I don't understand the goddamn game they got no way. In Blackjack for me, I play a little $100, $200, $25 games simply because I just know I got to be the dealer. That's all I know. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, look, I don't like the shoe. I like single deck or double deck. When they start getting to that shoe, they got six decks. I don't really care too much for that shoe. That shoe, man, that shoe have you messed up. The thing is with Blackjack, one bad play can mess up the whole shoe. Man. And you just get your head busted for the rest of that shoe. somebody take a car take the dealer bus car hey you mad at them you start a fight over there that's why I don't really play blackjack too much don't even worry about it that's why I pick my money and go somewhere cause cause sometimes man I be feeling like they brought this dude in here to F the game up nah man I'm like I play blackjack go play blackjack sometimes i play three uh pow guy i play three card poker or i play crap that's all i play no roulette they play the shots they just play slot machine i ain't got time for that y'all don't play the roulette you just bet on the color hell no no no no no no roulette hey roulette that's the one the table go around in the circle yeah and they always they say bet on red right you better what i mean you can read a bet red or black but you're gonna come out better betting the number though. I'm good. I'm good. I don't like that. Hey Joe, I don't like to bet no money where I'm not in complete control of the outcome. If I'm not in complete control... Because the cards don't know you? You think the cards know you? No, I'm just saying in general. That's why I don't like gambling because the outcome is not in my control. Dice damn sure don't know you. Absolutely not. Man. Absolutely not. But no. We got to go to Vegas. Joe, will you come out here? Because I'm going to go to, one night, I'm going to go with Dana. I'm going to go to the casino with Dana. Dana will be playing 100,000 hands, 200 hands. Ooh! I'll be watching, y'all. Oh, what you think I'll be doing? I'll play 100, 200, not no thousand. Hell no. Hey, I would love to be there just to watch that, Just to see it in person. Just to see it in person. Again, knowing you got it, but you'd never do it, but see other people do it because they got it and could afford to lose it. I can't recoup no $200,000. You know how long I got to work to recoup $200,000, Joe? Man, hey. I ain't catching no touchdown, Joe. Oh, man. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. We had to go out there and gamble with Unk a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. How much we talking? I tell you. 10K. 10K. 10? That boy ain't spending no 10K. Ah, shit, the devil is, hey, Joe, I done had these same pants on for goddamn two months. You think I'm gonna spend 10K at the casino? Like, come on, man. Hey, Ocho, we gonna hit him. Hey, me, you and Joe, gonna go to the crap table. It's just gonna be us at the crap table by ourself. Nah. Hey, we betting all the points. I'm gonna be on the dice. Cause you know, the carbon snake I will, I call the dice before they start rolling. Hey, hey, hey, and Joe, you know if they know, if they know we coming, if they hear we coming, they gonna fix the table so we walk out of there with nothing. Oh man, come on. They gonna fix the table so we walk out of there with nothing. They don't know we coming. Huh? They don't know we coming. I bring my cash, we bring it to you, I bring my own cash, hey, change them out for chips, or you can say, hey, money plays. Hey, that's not a good idea, Uncle. That's not a good idea. They say the house never loses, that's what I heard. Hey, you want two-month TV, Ojo. Hey, that's to the folks. Well, I saw the gambler. Hey, you saw the- Get him, Jimmy Smith. Ha! Yeah, I've seen the gambler. I've seen him. Mark Wahlberg? Yes, sir. I don't want that to be me. I don't want that to be me. You don't know when to stop. Now you're owing people money because you're trying to get yourself out of debt and get out the hole. I don't want to get beat up because I owe the shark. Nah, nah, nah. Hey, you see a, what you call a, Matt Damon and Rounders, right? Ooh. And Teddy KGB? He ain't seen that. I can't remember about that. Nah, what movie is that? What's that? It's a gambling movie. What's the name of it? Teddy KGB. Ready for a different take on Formula One? 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With Matt Damon and Edward Norton. Yeah. I like Matt Damon. Matt Damon, he hard. But, yeah, we come on out here. Let's get this. Jalen Brown says, I feel like I'm the best two-way player in the world. Joe, do you agree? Is he the best two-way player in the world? Right now, yeah. I'm going to say yeah, Ocho. He makes it a point to, you know, own his matchup night in and night out. And not only that, not only is he, you know, owning it on defense, but offensively he following it up with 30 at night, man. I think he's playing extremely great basketball, and rightfully so. He's in the MVP conversation. Man, there's still a lot of basketball left. Uncle Ocho, he a dark horse in this thing now. He a dark horse in it. Yeah, I definitely think. Look, I thought he was supremely athletic. The bounce that he has, he's worked on his game. You can tell that he's worked on his game. The outside shot is a little bit more consistent now. The three ball is more consistent. He always had the ability to – you know, sometimes he get a little loose with his handles. Yeah. But he's always had the ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the right. Absolutely. Because he has supreme athleticism. And you go back and look at when they won the championship, he took it serious. He took Luka. He said, no, I got Luka. Mm-hmm. 94 feet. And did a double. Yeah. Hey. 94 feet. That's his job. His job, pick you up, weigh you down so in the fourth quarter you ain't got no gas and he's still going. And that how he been playing man Kudos to Jalen Brown bro He been fun to watch this year It actually been fun to watch the Celtics just their whole team It ain just been him Ocho He got other guys who done stepped up, and they've been playing well. Oh, yeah, Hauser and Derek White. Hauser, Ms. White, Richard. They got a big down there. Metta? The big dude who was beating stuff up last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. And Vucevic, like I'm saying, the more comfortable he get, The better off they're going to be right there fighting in the thick of things in the Eastern Conference. Yeah. Yeah. You know, JB done cut his hair. He ain't fooling nobody. Yeah. You done let that base you ain't go. That big empty. You know, honestly, Uncle Joe, you know, JB done took it real serious. Obviously, with all the stuff, a lot of talk about, you know, JT going down and how the Celtics weren't going to be the same. He took all that talk personal because basically, Y'all telling me I can't carry no franchise. Y'all telling me, you know, JT is the better player of the two. You know? So let me get out here and show y'all. I already had to deal with the bull crap when it came to the goddamn Olympics. Now you're saying I can't carry a franchise. Man, hold my beer. Right. Watch this. He's been showing up. He's been showing out. Showing up and showing out ever since. You're absolutely right, Ocho. He's taking the challenge every night on both ends of the floor. Yes. And he's done it at a very, very high level. And, man, I'm talking about every night he win his matchup. He wins his matchup every night, which gives him a great chance to win. Hey, Joe, how tall is JB? About 6'5", 6'6". That's it? Yeah. I thought he was tall enough. I thought he about your height, Joe. Yeah, he about 6'6". Joe, how tall you with, Joe? I'm about 6'8". Yeah, I like me going right around you, bro. Go right around who? Huh? Hey, one thing I can do is slide to the pubis, Ocho. Where I'm from, if you couldn't play defense homeboy, you couldn't get out there on the court. I'm trying to tell you. You hear me? Joe, if you can't slide no more, man, if your electric slide day is over, Ocho, Joe, back in the day, electric slide? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe, I know you can slide one way. I mean, how fast can you get back, you know, with your lateral movement, Joe? Man, first off, your handle ain't like that to be moving nobody side to side while you talking about something. Man, stop it. Stop, stop. How you know, Joe? You got to cut it out, Joe. Stop the cap. You got to cut it out, Joe. Stop the cap, bro. When we going to play, Joe? I'm sick of this shit. Well, I told you when we going to play. We going to line it up. Hey, you in Atlanta? Yeah, I'm here right now. What's going on? Hey, listen. Are you prepared to play right now? Because I could fly down for the week and chill. I told you, man. Can you give me at least an April? Hey, he scared. Hey, I got his spook. I got his spook. Ha ha ha. Hey, you spook. Hey, Joe, you scared, Joe? I need to April, bro. Can I have to April? Give me about four more weeks. Listen to me. Let me see. Whatever you can do in April, you can do right now, boy. Number two months, eight, for the help of you, my boy. Not with me. Not with me. I'm telling you, boy. Your knees going to buckle, boy. Huh? You better buckle. Ocho, we already know you the big capital, man. Everybody know that, bro. Everybody know that. Hey, Joe, one thing I do is I compete, Joe, in everything I do, Joe. And, hey, I'm going to compete and I'm going to show up. You didn't compete with the All-Star game, Ocho. Huh? In that big three All-Star game. What about it? Listen, that's what Joe was asking me. Let me tell you something. What about it? I keep telling you all a million times in that big three, I ain't messing up nobody's money, especially that much money in them boys betting. I let them take care of their thing and got my ass out of the way because I ain't paying nobody $20,000 to get in the way and show I can motherfucking hoop. Excuse my language. Sorry about that. But, Joe, boy, you ass grass, boy. Heavy is the crown, right? We'll see who be wearing it after we've done it. JB came in a Sunday game averaging a career high, 29 points a game, seven rebounds, almost five assists. He showed up. He had 32. Peyton Pritchard had 30, and they roll the Lakers. What's your Lakers going to do, huh? Nothing. They can't play defense. They can't guard anybody. You know they couldn't play defense last year. Yeah, they still can't. They can't. They can't rebound. They can't. They can't keep nobody in front of them. That's why I can't stay in front of nobody. They get beat off the first dribble. Oh, man. Which compromises your defense for the rest of the possession. Once you get beat off the first dribble, you compromise the rest of the possession. It's a wrap. It's a wrap. You got us in the huckleball. Now we scrambling, trying to catch. It's over with. Somebody going to be open. Yes. He's sliding all over the place. Joe, Kevin Durant says he would like to play for Team USA when his team suits up in 2028 in L.A. Katie said, you guys, the media, have projected that narrative. Where did the last dance thing come from? I didn't say that. I wasn't playing. LeBron said he wasn't. You didn't hear that from me. I've got to stay on top of my game. I'm not expecting. I want to produce on the floor and make Grant or whomever is making the decision want to put me on the team. I don't want to just – not just seniority. I want to still prove I can help the team win. KD makes the team. He'll be short a couple of – I guess what? A couple of months? Show I'll turn him 40. Because if LeBron were to play, he'd be 43, and Steph would be 40. You said make the team. What do you mean make the team? No, I'm saying if he were to play – Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, he going – hey, man, look, for the love of the game, bro, Like, the dude loves to play Uncle Ocho. They can say whatever they want to say about him. He enjoys playing the game, and every time he steps on the floor, you know what you're going to pretty much get from him. Now, if he's still healthy at this point, still playing at a high level, yeah, I would love to see him out there as well playing with some of these young guys to help lead the charge. I mean, every time he's played on the USA team, whenever it has been, he's always showed up and showed out. Yep. I can see that. Four gold medals. Yes, sir. I can see it. I can see it. I can see it. What, he'll be 40 what? He'll be 40. A couple months shy of 40. Yeah, he'll be able to do it, man. He'll be able to do it. Because ESPN predicts the 2028 Olympic team. Cooper Flagg, Khan Knipple, Jalen Duren, Armin Thompson, Scottie Barnes, Cade Cunningham, Anthony Edwards, Chad Hongren, Jalen Williams, Tyrese Halliburton, Bam Adebayo, Jason Tatum. I don't know, Joe. I don't want that team bringing the gold back. I like Cade and A.E. at the one and two. I like, I ain't gonna lie, boy. I like Con Canippo. I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. He gonna shatter that rookie three-point record. I mean, he gonna put, this mofo might have 300 threes. Man, listen. Hey, I'm talking about he shooting the blood out that ball. You hear me? Oh, yeah. He can go now. I like the a man Thompson kid I like during. I like the scene. I like the scene. What you don't like about it? Is it the bigs that you don't like? Got the bigs. Who gonna do something with Yoke? Who gonna do something with Wimby? We. Because Bam gonna need some help down there. Him and Chappell. Hey, Bam. Would Bam be considered undersized big? Yes. Like a tweener almost. Like power four center. He could play both. Yeah, he like a hybrid because he can handle the ball. Ocho, he can initiate He can pass. He can playmate. He can do a little bit of everything. Bam like a little wild card. I like having Bam in there. Who is a big in general that can go in? We ain't really got no big Americans. Not no bigs who can guard. Not no traditional bigs. We got stretches. A traditional big wouldn't work in today's game anyway. You got to have somebody that can bang with Yoke. Okay, okay. You got to be able to bang with him. You got to be able to keep him off the glass. You got to make him work on the offensive end. Right. Because he going to get his. And the problem that you have with him is that he gets everybody else involved. Hey, Tateau might say damn that. Yeah, y'all ain't playing me like that. He might say damn that. Hey, Joe, I see a name that ain't on here. Average of 29 points a game in the MVP discussion. Jayla Brown said kick rocks. He said, first of all, he said. Yeah, how they don't have him on here? That's crazy. He said, BHPD disrespected me and closed by a bit down. Oh, man. That's crazy. Yeah, but I can see KD playing. I don't think Steph. I think Steph was all in on that one. Steph said, look, this is my first and last. I'd have brought the family to Paris. Hey, we good. We got the gold medal. I'm good. And the performance that Steph put on, I wouldn't go back. You'll never forget that. Yeah, I wouldn't go. That's the greatest Olympic in a game ever. Yeah, that was classic. Man, listen, I wouldn't go back and mess with that. I wouldn't go back and mess with that, Uncle Ojo. I wouldn't either. And when he shot that thing, man, and he just, that's way, way, I'm like, God. Hey, hey, he shot that thing with somebody not only draped on it, but he had KD and LeBron to his left wide open. Mm-hmm. He didn't know I knew. He didn't worry about it. I got this. He said, hey, he said, because if y'all wanted to shoot it, y'all would have never passed it to me, because you're not getting it back. Right. Hey, I said, what? Oh my God, they put on a performance, boy. Hey, man, because you know, hey, man, you know everybody looking at their chops on us, Joe and Ocho. Man, what? You know Canada want to try to get, they lick in. The Serbs want to get, they lick in. Greece with Giannis want to try to get a lick in. Yeah. Slovenia with Luka. Yeah. And listen, they waiting too. Hey, and Germany. Remember Germany beat them in FIBO a couple years ago. Yeah. And little Schroeder, Schroeder, he a different player. Oh, yeah. Schroeder, Schroeder, he different. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They got their work cut out for them. because they got a big target on their back. Big target. I don't know, maybe Joel Embiid will be healthy enough to want to play. Nah, Embiid better. Hey, listen, I give Joel Embiid my knees, man. If I can give him my knees, man, just to get him healthy, get him running up and down that court, man, and doing what he can do for the Olympics, he can take my knees, man. And then, you know, the French definitely want it. Wimby say he already looking at 28. You hear me? Women say he already, after they lost, he said, I'm looking to get my lick back in 28. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be a good one, man. The world has caught up to us, fellas. In basketball. Yeah, from a talent perspective, they ain't scared no more, Uncle Ocho. They ain't scared no more. Playing under those rules? Playing under those rules, those fever rules? Oh, yeah. It's a whole different game. They could knock the ball off the rim and all kind of foolishness. Yeah. it's gonna be a tough one for us we'll pull it out though speaking of that Kevin Durant also spoke about the narrative that the world is catching up to Team USA Katie says all I hear is AAU is destroying the game the Euros do it right while the Americans do it wrong it's a lot of bull jive with that I can read between the lines it's a shot at black Americans we're controlling the sport they're tired of us controlling the sport France is coming for y'all really? man we smacked them boys right Man, KD, you got to come back and die. Yeah. Hey, I like the energy. I like the energy, fellas. Hey, listen, because I'm with him on that. Man, listen, we the best. I think has the world caught up? Yeah, but I think guys have kind of got a little bored with this for whatever reason. But we got to get back to dominating, man. We got to get back to dominating, fellas. I'm saying from top to bottom, it ain't no teams betting us from top to bottom, Uncle Ocho. No, but when they first started, they might have had four or five players in the NBA. Every team that sends somebody to the Olympics, they got NBA players. Yeah, you're right. So that's the difference between now. No, nobody has the depth that we have. It's just like the American sprinters. Nobody has the depth when it comes to 100-meter sprinting, 200-meter sprinting, 400-meter sprinting. Nobody got that depth. Right. but they got a couple yeah I mean you heard what you just said a couple I don't think they have enough but Ocho but here's the thing when they played in 92 you couldn't find a foreigner in the top 25 right the top 7 8 players in the NBA currently are foreigners the game has evolved they have evolved in general they've gotten better whatever it is that they do in their ecosystem and having kids go through whatever type of training they do, now you have more players in the NBA that are foreigners. But I still think as a whole, collectively as a group, they will never be able to dominate us, especially at said craft, especially in Olympics. They done beat us before. Once you get beat, it's hard to keep them wolves off. Once them hyenas found out they could take down a Cape Buffalo, it's hard to protect them calves. It's hard, man. Hey, them group of names you just put up even though we ain't got no big, they ain't letting us down. I sure hope you're right, don't you? That mean your perimeter guys gotta be lights out. They gotta be on point. They gotta be on point. I like that Conn Canipple for the simple fact he can shoot threes. You got to have somebody that can be a knockdown three. You got to have a couple of those guys. Yeah. Because you're going to have guys who can go off the bounce, who can create opportunities for other guys, and you just want them other guys like Conn Canipple to be able to knock down shots. Man, I watched him play, Ocho Conn Canipple. He don't even really look like no NBA player. But when I'm talking about getting it done, oh my god. The boy out there getting it done, Ocho. Every time you look in the box go, he got 20, 27 points. Like, I'm talking about shooting, man. Ready for a different take on Formula One? Look no further than No Grip, a new podcast tackling the culture of motor racing's most coveted series. 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